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Want to make sure that sounds good Let's do this, Everybody.
Welcome to Episode four of basketball and more with Matt Brooks.
I am absolutely thrilled to have this guest on here.
My guy, Anthony Puccio.
How you doing? How we feeling? You excited to get into some Nets jerseys? Listen, brother, you know I love to talk next energies and, you know, just don't get me started.
Bed style, right? There are some with my mind.
Like that out in bed style.
Right? You tell May doesn't play that you're not a fan of the vets.
Die Nets, huh? I'm waiting for one of these baby way.
Both got Flatbush in Atlantic merch on.
Had to throwing up for the guys, but ah, yeah, man, want to get into this a little bit? Had to bring you on because you are, of course, the historian of this net stuff.
I'm just a big phony from California, so certainly looks like it.
You like this? The flow coming in.
It's all going, baby.
I'm in that in between phase where it's like it's not over the It's like just getting over the years.
It's way too long in the front.
It's it's really an awful look.
Right now you're looking clean, bro.
I'm like, Yeah, I had to get I had to get cleaned up yesterday when I was coming on here.
Ready? You know what I mean? Appreciate months.
Who is time? Um, yeah, this is, I would say that, but that's definitely not true.
That's my inner California.
I've had my hair down to here, okay? And curly sideburns can't do it. You could.
You could do it.
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Well, you know of the Kali? Look, I just start.
You know, I might start looking like the white Jarrett.
Our That's what this broadcasting to you? Just two hours of hair talk.
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You know that's about it.
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Um, I'll be trying to keep an eye on chad.
Just look at let everybody know and then for everybody that will be listening to this in audio form on this podcast version of the stream, I hope it comes through.
I'm gonna try to describe these jerseys as best as possible.
But I would honestly strongly recommend that you go back and watch the stream, if you are.
Of course, hearing this as a podcast, cause this is pretty visual.
So let's get into this.
I went all the way back to 1967 we're running it all the way to maybe the jerseys that will see this year.
We'll see of God a mall in order of when they happened.
So we'll start right here.
And by the way, we're ranking this eight plus A, B, C, D and F.
I know you're probably thinking in your head, Matt, Did you even go to school? That is not how the great system works.
Um, look, man, I just want to have an A plus because I think, you know, you want to shoot for the stars and then everything else we'll see how it fills out and how this this tier list looks.
But yet we'll be right in these on that scale and then, you know, from there to see which ones we like, we'll see if we like the throwbacks, the the modern day stuff, and we'll run it from there.
So first thing we got 1967 jersey.
I will zoom in on this for you guys a little bit.
It's like way, way old New Jersey on the front.
Red blueprint, I guess.
What do you think of this? Do you like this at all? Because I'm gonna give you my thoughts right after away old, By the way, they had this for one year.
That had to have been What, like the sixties Tina days? Yeah.
Like, way wail long on.
I mean, I don't think that horrible.
Uh, I'm not a huge fan.
Them but that, um when they moved back to Jersey, I think they obviously made some improvements on them in the second.
Red Jersey was better, but that those not a huge fan.
Yeah, I think they're dealing with 2.
Yeah, it's marketing.
That looks like me and my harder college classes.
I would sell your undies on it.
Um, let's Let's second we got right here.
Is this Nets jersey on to see if I can pop it up a little bit bigger for you Got this clean like cursive print. All white.
They had a couple of different versions of these.
But this right here is really the first, like, memorable jersey that, you see.
It's right before they got Dr J.
So there's like a version that comes out after that kind of looks similar to these from the eighties.
These were weren't from 1968 2 1972 I'm tell you right now, these are huge.
Step up from those areas jerseys.
I'm just saying that all the bat Yeah, I like that.
And I think we could appreciate that a little bit more since I moved to Brooklyn to know only have at two jerseys that said Nets on them.
But I think these air clean like I personally like off white clothing, the new Rams jerseys and football, I think tolerable.
But yeah, the Nets.
I think these work like you said, Like it was a nice preview for the Doctor J days.
I kind of see, uh, I think I think Rick Barry was wearing these.
So these are really like Yogi Nets jerseys.
Big fan, but still not in the A A plus category for me personally.
I put him in a be okay I could do that.
I think I could do it. Be I could do a B.
They might even be in a But they're a little bit my laddie.
I think I might put him in a a and we'll move him down after conservative with it, cause I I don't want it to be, like one A plus one a and then a whole bunch because there's someone's in the middle where I'm like, I don't know about this.
Um, next one we got is another 1970 to 1981.
This was actually when they got Dr J.
I will pull it up right here.
I can zoom in a little bit for you.
We got three of those from that era.
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So we have these three jerseys right here.
The white ones, the blue ones, which I believe are the away jerseys.
They say New York on them.
And then when they moved to New York, they have a 1990.
Think it's 1972 is when they moved.
No, it's 77 when they moved to Jersey to the Coliseum.
So that's this version on the far right.
But we'll do these white ones first, Really the first, like marketable.
It's when they won their championship.
Really like to me, Like a really marketable jersey.
You see that? You think of Dr J.
The Long arms, the sweeping hooks.
That's my dad's favorite player ever.
So I had to give.
Ah had to give him a little bit of a shout out.
I I don't know these jerseys just because of the memorability I think is big.
But I'm interested to see what you think of the design and that combined because I think there.
I think I think these are the best next jerseys and it's not allowed working or anything like that.
I think these are the best jerseys by far, and I think I think obviously, like you bring Dr J.
Um, the only two championships that the Nets have were in these jerseys, the stars down the sideline, the color scheme, the red, white and blue so clean.
But I actually think like with these ah, they kind of signify like the A b a the A B A generation like like the image that you set of Dr Day with the red, white and blue ball red, white and blue jerseys with stars on the side.
Like I think they represent so much more than just the Nets.
Like they kind of symbolize those times as a whole.
And, you know, it kind of stinks for the Nets that they don't embrace the two championships at the one because they were in the A B A.
But I mean, between nostalgia and just honestly clean, it's looking with stars on the side, the red, white and blue.
I don't think you get any better than that.
And I do like the little New Jersey on the red stripe for the away jerseys.
I think that's number like, Oh, but but you could you could see like it za Nice.
Look, I would say like So there's these three that you're looking at the white, the New York Blue and then the Nets.
I like anything that says Nets, New York throws me off.
I know that that's actually what they want.
A championship in was, I guess, at the time of those blues.
But I'm personally like I want to keep the branding consistent.
I'm like, no New York is gonna throw me off.
It'll door your average person.
Really? What, though? Is that the New York Mets? I think that shell clean and just again.
So many good memories, I think for so many people to that were around and actually Nets fans at the time.
Yep, with Colisee and right away from me.
So I say best next jerseys in history, my personal and put a plus. I don't know about you.
I'm going with the flow that for the white ones there for the blue as well.
Okay, I can do that.
What do you want even do for the New York ones? Yemen? I mean, you're all in Hold on.
I think I think the next fan base would agree wrong.
Well, what then? Decide.
We'll let you will let in the chat decide.
But, I mean, I think you do have to Ah, somebody's commentating on the yellow ones already know we'll get to those, um after that.
So I think I can agree with you.
I'm also gonna trust you on this.
The ah, you definitely have the perspective, the back of Nets fans.
So I'm gonna trust your judgment on this.
We'll see if we get any other ideas in the chat.
But, I mean, that's why I brought you on, you know, carrying the team here.
Um, so we're gonna do the next couple of ones we have these that look, you know, you'll see it right here.
They look really, really similar to the ones that we first.
Well, the second ones we place down in the a category.
Uh, they look a little gray in this picture.
Normally, they should be more of a white.
I don't know if that's like a slight variant from one year.
You do have the Michael Ray Richardson jersey, which is maybe not the best pick for that.
What? But, uh, yeah, these air from 1981 to 1983.
Just looking at the nets.
Very helpful website on this one.
Uhm, these I actually really like these.
In terms of this variant, I might even want to switch them with the ones that we haven't The A Personally, I know it's not like a story.
A period of time for the Nets.
I think they went to the first round twice and I believe, and I think they lost both times.
So it's not like memorable Nets history, but aesthetically, I like these little better.
I'm not sure if you feel the same way.
Zoom in on these.
I like what? Like estos like the curse of s.
And in that line, like it kind of I feel like it's a little too close to the numbers, I think.
And nicer these like they're not horrible.
Not future, but not the biggest fan.
Maybe it's also because, like, the nostalgia factor doesn't really kick in for me.
Um, I'm not really sure what they're doing with shorts either.
Like the end j, like, kind of just just floating in the whole alphabet on this jersey.
I mean, again, I don't think that to bed with, Maybe you see teachers.
See, a participation award, you know, kind of thing.
Like, well, these air from the same years as the ones they're right next to him.
The New Jersey Blues.
Oh, God, those ugly.
Those were terrible.
I'm saying right now, those air chair designed those air back seeing I have.
I have a thing with jerseys that are the print is way too big.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Like, it's like they're right on top of the numbers.
I mean, I would at least move the numbers down or just not even put them on the front to begin with.
Uh, where would where would you put those the New Jersey wanted? Yeah.
Those don't like at the can.
Of course, does.
In your failing the class, she didn't show up.
You didn't do any work. You didn't take the test.
They're pretty bad.
All right, well, let's put him in a f so we can get going down there.
I think I think they're bad.
I just don't know why space was so hard.
I mean, it makes sense to the era that they didn't understand anything about spacing.
That's just goes right in line with everything.
Three point line.
But, uh, it's pretty bad.
I at least kind of dig these.
I don't the letters and everything like that.
I I don't I don't know what's going on.
It looks like a total mess.
I do like the trim I don't feel like you see that with jerseys anymore where it's, like the trim it the weight sign and then the trim around the where the legs come out.
Yeah, I see what you're saying that what they're like with the red line in between the blue But that's all I can give him.
That's all I can give him.
And I wish I had a white version cause maybe they look better.
The difference between these two is just really that the one like that? The spacing, I guess, on these.
But then just to the I don't know like the difference between the red and the blue, These are a little more subtle, The red pop a little bit more.
So I'm thinking, if you're gonna bring these back with Kyrie and K D, which is kind, honestly, the point of doing all this I want to toss out some ideas, see who looks at it.
I don't think that I don't think so.
We'll throw money.
See, um, we're getting to Some good ones were getting some really good ones.
These next three right here, all from the same era uh, the whites which ran from, I believe 1992 97 Then the tide I blues, which I mean, I got I'm gonna be honest.
I got this whole idea from your Twitter feed, which is just the best when you spark when you get creativity from frickin Twitter.
But, uh, yeah, I got that from your feet when we somebody did.
I think it was next season.
Who did the the Jersey swap for Kyrie on these tight I blue ones.
These are great.
They should Iran with these one more year.
And then once they stop those, that's when they ran the other blue ones.
So tired I or the side I once.
Okay, so at the time, I think they got a lot of flak for these.
Like if you look at, like, any mains, any mainstream media type, those guys in there, like rank, is as some of the uglies.
Actually, I think now, since, like with fashion, I feel like when things run out when trends run out, people seem to go back to the vintage ways, right? It might be like super marketable now and honestly, they probably would look really good on that great court.
Oh, but, you know, like I feel like that would pop like that would be, like a nice cop.
The other the 1st 1 that you have there, I think those the one that the Nets are gonna bring back, I'm That's what I'm hearing that they're gonna bring, like, drives an era.
Nets, nets, strategies back.
Um, it will be, I believe 30 years toe this this upcoming season since they wore these jerseys, right? You said 90 90 91 90.
Yeah, I think he started in 1990.
So, yeah, you're looking at 30 years old, Just crazy.
Yeah, maybe the 30 year anniversary when I heard is there bringing something like this back we've been seeing in the shop that they've been marketing a lot of this type of stuff like, uh, the next logos from this time, even this print, like, you see so many Nets fans that are asking for a jersey with the word nets on, right? And I think this this will pay homage to those times.
Obviously a great bowl team player and John petrol, which, unfortunately didn't get to see him, you know, play the route.
Obviously unfortunate cir***stances of them passing away.
But, you know, the Nets did have some good days during those times.
And as we saw with last dance, they just weren't able to prevent because there was ah, mighty being in the in the n b A during that time.
But I think you'll see these back.
I think it would be the throwbacks the City edition that you were going to the league office.
With that, we're gonna figure to make the Nets the rightful champions Game one. Rick.
Um, what if you had No, If you had to put these in order or would you put him on the same tear? Ah, I like I like the white, but I do too, right.
I think that's the right choice.
I I think I like the white the most.
The blue are really solid, but I think that I almost like those ones that we have in the A plus here, those blue ones a little bit more.
I kind of like the columns almost of blue personally, but yeah, there's a little more spunk to them on the original ones. I agree.
Maybe with the blue might pop on the great court.
More like I said with the tide I But I don't I don't really know.
I think they're all kind of nice.
But again, the tide I could either go one way or the other.
I think people will either really, really love them.
Or just like, absolutely Yeah, I would like him.
But that's the most hipster Bushwick thing I've said yet.
So don't trust me.
I'm around a bunch of vintage wearing clothes.
That's all I see every day.
So, um, I feel confident in the white in the A plus personally, personally, I'm with mostly because, you know, I think that at anything that is white, I think that's what we saw this or even the great kind of pop this year.
Ah, but anything that's white really pops on that court.
Well, eso and even those like Bed Stuy jersey, which we'll get to from far away they weren't bad way.
We'll touch on that.
Um, I would maybe put these is an A Personally, I'm worth to you, and I might put these is a B.
100 percent cool there, like a B plus, but I didn't want to make seven.
That's just that's two extra.
We're not doing all that.
Um, this is where you and I at least were Really? You know, I'm what? Three.
When these jerseys.
The last three that we've looked at.
We're around your what to couple years on two years younger.
So this is your This is right when these start these next three with next to really the whites and the grays.
That's when it all starts for that's really when were, you know, processing everything or understanding what's going on.
So the whites and the Navy's I'm interested to see which one you like Better because I would love to see one or both of these brought back.
But I don't know if we're gonna get you were keeping with the White Navy.
When I go into great, we'll get into the great cause.
Those came a little later.
The white I think it's nicer than the Navy blue.
Um I love love the side.
I love the trimming.
I think I think it is supposed to be it like representative yet, like, you know, I think I'm not 100% sure I like the Nets fun even though the s kind of looks like a like a backwards e Uh, I still I think I think those air clean.
Yeah, I just for me, I think also, nostalgia kicks in like those of the first days of me going next Games of the kids by that at season tickets When Jake, you got traded to the Nets.
So kind of seeing the the bad boy New Jersey Nets come out with J.
Kidd, Keith Van Horn, Kerry Kittles were in the high black socks with those jerseys like so many good memories, obviously them going to the championship and stuff like that.
But I think those are so clean and I think that, like they did everything with that so perfectly the red trimming the sides with the Nets that I'm saying like I think those are some of the best dresses and that's history.
I wish they would bring those back, actually, because it's gonna be 20 years since that team I brought up 30 year out of depression.
It's 20 years since ah, so I leave 20 years since either those of the Greys since, uh, you know that team? The grays will be 20 this year, and then they will be like 23 which can't.
Can't bring it back on a Jordan you, after all, everything we've seen this week, General, I don't know if, like the dark, the navy blue.
I don't know if the New Jersey changes it because the font too small you can't, like, really make out what it says.
I like the way you like the way I do too.
I just don't like the color Navy.
This is This is all I'm gonna be offering Here is just my important colors as less as stated.
Oh, um, yeah, I think that the white I really like the way I wish it was like the Z like the S and the Z.
Is that Onley? Negative.
I confined with this.
That's it, right? That's it.
But I could just like like I said, like I pictured this this mental image in my head, like as a kid watching J.
Kidd keeping horn with the high black socks and then later years You see Vince Carter like he didn't touch his jersey in which would be a fine today, but ah, like like I'm even thinking VC, like, just dunk it in someone's face in those jerseys And you know, the crowd going crazy like that Those I think, with the cleanest New Jersey Nets strategies that they had the big question would your actions 2nd 2nd balls will get to the limit.
I know we're going with this.
I'm interested to see what you think of these.
Next to that, I'm very, uh, very curious.
What would you put these as? The white ones? At least I probably give them in a Okay.
I think that feels fair to put them in the same classes.
Those first white ones.
I didn't that feel super fair.
What? The Navy? I could put a man.
We're just going thistle, color navies and blues and whites pair together.
Would you feel confident at a B? I wish there was a B plus or an a minus now.
Yeah, because I don't hate the navy butchers that the Piston Knights they're just not my Children.
Because you want It's getting to the big question.
Our first of of Ah, a couple of grey jerseys.
Whole bunch, actually, Uh, the 2000 to 2005.
Uh, this is the most successful point of the franchise since it moved from a B A.
I would say that's what I think of at least seeing this.
Um, I mean, what? Where would we know? Thes air A plus.
There's no way, without a doubt.
And like you said, when that season, do those mock ups cleaning? Yep, These are easy for me.
Ah, I like when The next war.
These jerseys was a special night to like.
There's, you know, something special's flown on that night.
It just it just looked.
So I don't know again.
Maybe it's the style there talking for me, but I just remember like it was rare when they warm because there were the alternates.
But when they did, J.
Kidd keeping horn like and then you know, whoever might be like Kerry Kittles running the fast break he's on.
Like I just like I think of even them at MSG.
I think that's one kid.
Did the bowling ****ed.
I think he was wearing those Germans just so clean they have this again.
The side trimming is so nice.
And the thing with these is that and Doug Barrack also ******s up for me a couple of years ago like you could transform these in tow.
Brooklyn, you could You could easily turn these into, like the nets colors.
Now, without doing too much, you can keep the red trip without, like, going too far away from their colors now, because they are right.
I mean, they wore gray jerseys this year, and I get to that, but, um, I think these air 10 times, but in those I'm gonna say these a plus.
Did you go to a playoff games? I don't.
If I haven't asked you this, did you go to playoff games during that area? My general, All those games.
I mean, you know, like most number one.
I think you know, I think Reggie Miller in that that half court shot my dad turning and saying, You know, uh, you're not going You're not going to school tomorrow? Yeah, so I think yeah.
I mean, I was that I was at basically every game me and my brother.
So when my dad died, when she bought season tickets when kids John trade there.
But my dad was a Knicks fan growing up.
So you know, there was no bias in my household.
It was just more like and I want to learn the game from Jake it.
So me and my brother split the games and, hey, like he was right.
Like I watched everything Number five did, and then it turned into right Now watch number 31.
He's got you know it, you know, watch him and watch the way he runs off the ball and things like that.
So just so many memories going down. A comment.
Continental Airlines Arena When I lived in Queens like Trek on the Jersey Lifespan and my dad would also learning the game, you know, better bash with the second best bashful in the n B A for a long time, you know, 23 years straight.
Especially when I was a kid.
Ah, but you asked me about playoffs.
You know, I I remember being at Nuts Lakers Championship.
I mean, there was no stopping shack like as a fan during those days, like you just watched it. Music.
It was just so exhausting to the nets.
Even at their best were not beating the Lakers on a mediocre night like it was just so on.
Stop. Jason Collins is exciting.
Aaron Williams isn't stopping.
You know those guys are stopping him.
And I loved a train.
I looked all those guys, but none of them were getting away a shack and then shack and just kick it out to Kobe like ahead.
Just an embarrassment of riches and will be hitting a dagger.
Robert Ory hitting a dagger three.
And just absolutely breaking my fire, Whatever.
Seven year old heart it right back into the parking lot.
Jersey fans just like help was feeling but great great memories during those days again.
I could go on for hours.
We're gonna keep going on. I want to take a little.
This is a great point to stop right here because there's just so much history at this point when you were watching this team, did you feel like, OK, this, you know, especially those like really early two thousands years.
Like, did you feel like, OK, this is a championship team? Or did you kind of like, was there something back your mind, like the man we got a team coming out. West is gonna be tough.
I mean, you know, again, like I was, I was still seven years old, but I did understand the game and off, like I took in everything around me.
Ah, the sights, the sounds, everything, uh, but like, the thing is that I had gone to Knicks games a couple of years.
Like like at a young age, 56 years old.
I went to Nets games at 56 years old.
When they had Marbury, I was on the court.
I remember going for my birthday, and that team was so, so bad.
And it was just kind of miserable being at at the Meadowlands in the 2000 season, the year before they got traded there because they had this drop off.
And if you know, I'm sure you watch up.
So seven of the last dance from the Nets were in it.
I was 98 you know, it was only two years after that that they really fell off.
And you have Marbury and he was writing things on the sneakers.
I get me out of here or something like that.
And just a vibe.
You know Jason Williams, who was a fan favorite at the time.
You know, I have a picture of me sitting on his lap was as a kid, and, you know, he goes and shoots his limo driver, you know, like there are so many memories of that team that were just, like, just bad, like that 2000 and then I don't know, like for me again.
I enjoyed going to Jersey.
You know, you as a kid, you get your face painted.
It was like more of a fun atmosphere than the Garden.
I think like I don't want to watch basketball.
And then I remember going the next year 2001 my dad saying like, you know, Kick could play But you know, don't expect much like they won't won 26 games a year before, And then I'm there and they went 52 grand and suddenly saying, You know, and we're going with playoffs And I said, What the heck is the way? What is that? And he goes, Well, if the Nets lose tonight, it's over.
And I remember and like that immediately when he told me that that's when I understood and like it meant so much.
Me like those playoff games.
It seemed like Nets always went to five times.
Best get applied, right? You know, it felt like there always going five or seven.
And it was just like, That's when you knew, um, just that they made the playoffs and that it was a do or die.
Now, those were the words used who are dying.
That means you win or you're out, right? Remember light saying, like this team this I had so much fun watching this team, the camaraderie, you know, like a team full of guys that we're underdogs like you look at J.
Kmart was the heart and soul, but he still wasn't a super started.
And then you bring guys up like Carrie Kittles, who wasn't a superstar.
He was kind of kind of just a perfect role player.
Um, like a Lucious Harris coming off the bench, just hitting that three.
The Keith Van Horn to the world like again who weren't superstars.
These guys, they they moulded almost like the perfect team around J Kid.
He was the perfect leader without them being too flashy.
You know what? I'm going to say like they didn't have Like, any spectacular names.
Jason Kidd made so many guys so much money, you know you are.
Jay wouldn't rookie at the time, so nobody nobody really knew what to expect of him.
And he emerges and plays plays greatest as the third guy on that team.
Third or fourth shot.
I mean, I could go on for days like you bring up the atrium.
Arum, Williams man like, yeah, the guys at the end of the bench to like to marche slave like just, uh, Donny dining Marshall.
Like, I just remember these guys, you know, at the time you open up a game program at a young age and and you're just studying I remember bringing home most game green.
Uh, Dean blocks.
They don't do it in game catalog was meant a lot.
Those souvenirs at the time.
So many good memories, man, Like that's history.
That and those days especially like it.
It's such a shame that they're forgot about.
And even the way that things broke up with J. Kidd.
Um, I think at this point it just feels petty like like it's been 56 years since that happened, you know, I think it's time to move on and start embracing that team because I think, you know, quite frankly, mad like they ran into the Lakers.
No Kobe and Shaq Lakers with repeated.
And they ran into the Spurs and then Rob last year.
Tim Duncan's arrival.
And then the third year, they almost went to the finals the third straight time, and they lost to the bed.
The girl, bad boy Pistons that will Rasheed Wallace from Wallace.
And then Yep, a big You could argue that the early New Jersey in early 2000 Nets are, ah, one of the better teams to have not won a championship and not be recognized.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of a team that would like, I guess the last couple of years that would run into that.
I mean, maybe you're looking at Link like they're better than the Pacers, the Paul George Pacers or somebody like that.
You know, I guess maybe you see, you could probably do like the thunder with ah really young Westbrook, Harden and Durant.
Or you could because even they made it to the finals and made it a Siri's, I maybe maybe it would be that thunder team, but you're in the last 20 years.
It doesn't get doesn't get a tougher draw than that.
Honestly, you know what you like.
You like the thunder is a great point.
Like they're they're a great team, but they were a three headed monster like the Nets were just They were just so team oriented.
And that's how could want to play, right? It wasn't just a three man show like any night could be anyone's night.
Like I wrote about Brian Scalabrine e the other night.
Yeah, you know, he was the last guy off the bench, but there were guys like that that were coming out and contributing.
If they had to play the number hold J.
Kidd was giving them the ball in the right spot.
So, just like that team oriented style of ball like that, like they fit the script, they'll never get love for it.
They were never, like, flashy with names or anything like that.
They're flash on the court value every every two seconds, but ah, yeah, I don't I don't think they get enough credit for what they did, man J K didn't get enough credit.
Kmart Kmart did not get enough credit for the New Jersey Nets during the two thousands of out of doubt.
Kidd to being a guy like I don't know if there's a guy in the league are really in the last couple of years that I mean the point Carpets isn't changed so much in a lot of ways.
But like a guy that makes his team hates that much money, right, right.
I mean, I can't really come up with a calm for at all at this point, like it's almost like you can't even put into positions.
It's like, you know what? What player makes other players around him so much about? Yeah, I look like I'm LeBron obviously like, um, you know, you tell me like, you know, I don't I don't really think James Harden makes guys around him much better.
You know, Curry is curry might be my choice.
Yeah, that's that's a good That's a good without it that, um But you know how many how many guys could really say that for, You know, you go back and you look at a guy like magic Johnson and and and And that that's the tear that I put.
J kidding because he had that ability without even having to put the ball in the hoop more than five times a game.
Scored 10 points.
You could make the whole team better and win the game, you know, and on a big stake in the last two.
Well, that's the point guards you and I grew up with, like, way.
We grew up with J.
Kidd and Nash and, like that's what I've never really adjusted that, like all the guys that I like, that airplane point guard, If vacant pass.
I like them right off the jump.
It's not if they can score.
I mean, you know well, we'll get into, like, other teams that have more scoring guards in the future, the his broadcast.
But, I mean, that's just gravitated.
I love past first guys.
I'm a sucker for.
I'm totally, but it's almost like in that today's day.
If you're a playing card that, you know, remember kid at the time they called the Mason kid because he didn't have a jet right given to them being so, you know nowadays, if your point guard that can stretch the floor.
You're almost like it, like the raison Rondo's that were successful in Boston.
You have that on your team now.
If you're one that can stretch the floor and then you're probably not playing right unless there's a freak athlete.
But even then, it's like there's gonna be moments where it's like we need you to the three, um, one question for you before we move on the hot.
I mean, this is kind of hard, cause I know you're what, like, seven issued this time, But, um and I know other people want to hear this, and you probably answer this before, so apologies If it is a question you've heard before, but the highs of that J Kidd era, you know, early two thousands nets, where do they match up with with the team that we have coming in next year? Where is it? Is it a different stratosphere? Is it just emotionally or just even thinking about it? Logistically, I think you know, you gotta look a J kid when he got traded to the next, like he had he had and still did have issues, you know, he had the You know, I think it was a domestic assault case against him.
Like he was very, very imperfectly in perfect human.
Mikey, I don't think anybody really saw J.
Kidd is necessarily the savior, right? Like, um, you know, we're gonna get better, you know? But I don't think anybody Nobody in the world expect them to make a champion, you know about either.
Like, whereas these nuts.
You know, those guys, they didn't have so much expectation.
Whereas these guys, now you have Kevin Durant.
Forget the Achilles injury.
You have Kevin Durant.
You have Kyrie Irving.
Forget the show show.
You're gonna have the highest expectations in the MBA as well as the Lakers with the Brock.
Right? You know, you're you're right up there.
So the difference here is that, you know, everybody is expecting these nets to win a championship.
And you bet your But if they don't win a championship, they're gonna be heavily scrutinized because they got a whole young team that Brooklyn rally behind.
Whereas a kid nets had nothing to lose stuff on. Marbury.
And I hate to use this word, but he was a cancer.
There's a cancer to the organization they needed to get rid of, you know, and you know, good for him.
He made a living out in China.
He's the god over there.
What in Jersey? It was just like things were so toxic that they had nothing to lose with that trade, they had nothing.
There were no expectations on that, you know, it was so beautiful.
And I was talking to my dad about stealing they.
Like I said, like, I don't think we'll ever see a team, especially with the calendar.
You'll ever see the next team like that because there was so special.
It was almost like it was, like, magical that they did that.
Whereas now I'm not taking anything away from these guys, like if they make championship, they win the championship.
It will be great.
But now we're talking about a guy where you have the number one scoring the MBA on the team and you have arguably the best point guard in the NBA to so and not too much.
And you have a pretty solid roster around that carousel bar Dem Buddy yonder drawn in Jared Allen.
Joe Harris, like you're pretty like 78 deep on this team, and that's not to mentioning, like the younger guys on squad and Wilson Chandler.
You know, it's too late.
This team is deep and the expectations of so much higher.
So I think there's a huge difference.
And back then and now, just because the expectations.
But counter that they were in Jersey, less people cared about them now, there in Brooklyn.
There in New York, a lot more people care about them.
They make it to the championship.
There's winning basketball, Barclays Center.
You're gonna see people there, you know, especially while the Knicks are out there alone, not to bring them up.
I'm not gonna be the next clicks guy, but yeah, you build it, they will come And and that's what you're gonna see.
It's just unfortunate that it might be a another year before we will see that.
Yeah, well, you know, it's worth the wait.
Hopefully, look, the anticipation grows.
It's just that Katie's, you know, first time suiting up is a net.
My little anti climatic without fans.
But then the anticipation grows, and people are just gonna want to get Barclays Center that much more.
Yeah, well, I mean just let's just I mean, so many things out of our control.
But I just give me five games of them at Barclays.
Just just get in.
There is just no organ in the background, some biggy playing some days in plain like a nice close your eyes for beating the background.
Katie, run off the floor.
It almost feels like it's not really like when you play two k with, like, yeah. Yeah.
Like what? What is this? Is this one of my created teams? Well, it's funny, cause when that happened, I was like this.
Like, I just This feels like a dream scenario and everything getting pushed back more, more.
I'm like, Oh, yeah. This was a dream scenario.
Like, I got way too excited for this for no reason.
But now I think it will happen.
And they have a mind of my own horn.
I was trying to tell people in April nobody wanted.
I mean, hey, I believe you.
For what it's worth, you did, Um, I appreciate it.
Oh, it's of the good guys.
They're in here.
What's sometimes, uh, let's do this next time.
This this is Ah, very.
I think this one splits people that this red 2006 to 2009 kid left a course in 2008.
I believe my right on that.
Ah, And then Brook Lopez was a rookie.
And I guess the last year that they had these kind of like a transition, I guess.
Yeah, like a real transition period for them.
Some people love him, and I've seen him in mock ups and stuff like that.
Uh, so I think I think if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, I think Jay Z actually did.
Because this is what he started to kind of get on board with the Nets.
I could be wrong, but I think he helped design me.
And I was never a fan of these.
I mean, the mock up that next season did they look clean? Yeah, but I don't know.
And no disrespect.
And Anthony Morrow, but I just think of Anthony Mall.
I think of 12 and 70.
I think I think the red just was pushing it a little too much.
But, you know, again they might pop on on the great floor.
The same at Chief.
I think these air a perfect.
They're like their mid.
That's what I would call him.
So we're gonna get to see that they're not horrible.
Like they're not. They're not ugly.
They still have the same trim.
And the nets? Uh, design is obviously okay.
It's just I did.
I wasn't crazy about them.
I think again, I think at the time they were heavily scrutinized to I don't think, hand like them too much because I think they replaced the gray essentially with these, right? Right.
So that's that's kind of hard.
It's a changing of Barry, too.
Like, I think all of that plays into it a little bit.
Just team's success.
That has to. I mean, that's part of these measurements.
You gotta play into it a little bit.
Um, all right, so we're getting into the Brooklyn stuff I just picked.
They're all, like, you know, Adidas, Nike.
I'm just picking all the same thing.
It's pretty much the same throughout the white and the blacks.
We see them a 1,000,000 times, can't go wrong. Personally.
I mean, yeah, I think that maybe we haven't seen the highest points of it.
I look at those I think of last year's team much more than this here, steam personally, but ah, but I mean, I think that these next couple of years could shape how we think of them.
I've certainly liked other Nets jerseys during this era, but I think they're fun.
And they're like a b a to me. Both of them.
Yeah, You know what? Like I didn't like the black and white when they first changed the colors and rebranded, but then they started wearing these and I think there a category both of my in black I think they're so clean.
I thought when they had the herringbone court, they pop very like, perfect.
And, you know, like, if you look at all ah, legendary jerseys, you look at the Bulls jerseys.
You look at the Celtics.
Um, you look at the Lakers like there's nothing that's like to ah, like even bringing like the Yankees into like there's nothing that's true extraordinary Bethan like it's more the clean factor, like not trying to do too much of them.
And for the Nets, who is so unique that they were black and white represented the borough, the rebrand, obviously a whole new chapter in the organization.
So, um, one I I like the design just cause they're not trying to do too much of it.
I think Brooklyn looks right with the black and white.
I wish they would wear these more in and own who they are instead of trying to for so much like having four jerseys.
You know, where bets died 28 times in a season.
Like it just, like et like Like it Just, like stop trying to be like, Like what you think Brooklyn is.
And just stick to your brand could I thought I thought these were great.
Like I thought they were clean.
I thought they were fresh.
There's nothing along with them.
And if you give it time instead of trying to, ah, you know, trying to I better terms.
Like what? Let it grow organically, like over the years, like then you start to turn out like these were the first year in Brooklyn, and 10 years later, you appreciate them a little bit more, cause now they do have a little history behind.
You have Joe Johnson playing in them, and you have, uh I mean, everyone's gonna hate me for saying this, but Dan Williams like that first year playoff series, it was a lot of fun.
That first year in Brooklyn was a lot of fun.
They won 49 games, you know, like second most in franchise history, you know, like I think of those days and I think of good times.
Um, I just think like since they moved to Brooklyn, like they tried to do so much.
And that's too much when it's just out of these things are so clean.
I thought that Perfect.
Perfect for the past.
Nothing too extraordinary.
No graffiti. Yeah.
No, uh, let's die on the front or drawing stars out.
I don't, uh, Jeannie says she's sick of the black and white, so everything will throw it out of that going.
I'm ah, I'm a man of simplicity.
So I like these quite a bit.
I everything I wear has got nothing to it because maybe that's just my personality plane.
Dude, when you when you wear jerseys, I mean, you you're mostly wearing him in the summer, right? Oh, yeah.
I wear him over.
I mean, look, I'm skinny, man.
I'm not built like you, so I look like, uh, what's a good example? Look like? NGK like if I wear a machine gun Kelly.
All missing is the tattoos, and it's just it's a bad look, man.
It's It's not good.
So what you want on yourself? There's no jeans, no jersey with pride.
So I'm a big over the hoody.
That's the move, right? That that that's the move, you know, like like like my point, What that was like in the summer.
You wanted them like you have a stand like you're feeling good.
Like, you know, you're about to go surfing.
You're feeling good like the white, the black you can't go wrong.
And also with that, like rest in peace Jeff, Jeffrey, Gamble, Aero.
But, like with these jerseys like the Black and White, they match everything black and white cells.
You could wear yellow under that, and it'll match your yellow shirt.
You know your yellow night.
He's like you wear red into them and it'll pop like, you know, without necessarily making the jerseys pop.
I just feel like there's so universal Sobers like they're like on.
So I think they're the perfect envy.
Agers without being biased.
I think, like I said earlier, like and you said as well Simplicity is sometimes yes, best option.
That's that's just like, you know, when you go sleep with the summer, you're in Cali.
They open beaches and everything.
You know, life. We get a miracle.
We're going to sleep with shirt. I know.
When the next someone go to California wrote about How about a V out here? No gym in a jersey.
I'll have a sweet farmer stand will be great.
Um, everything I like about it is I think it really matches the brand well of the Nets, like the the you know, the simple behind the scenes blue collar type of few, like just taking care of business.
That's how they got here.
They got these two guys.
It was not, you know, it was just by working hard and putting the right people in charge, putting marks in charge, the right coach Kenny Atkinson and and I think that it represents that as a whole and taking chances on guys.
We'll get into some of the guys that well, that I think we'll get into it as we go through some of these jerseys, but, um, I think it really it's like a perfect It exemplifies that, if anything.
So, um, let's do the next one.
I have this Christmas jersey 2012 13.
So that's gonna really make people mad.
These might be f thes Hawk there.
That's all Citizen s.
I get, like like like a chalky feel.
My mouth when I look at those dirty like like Like I just like What were they thinking? Yeah.
I mean, I feel like they had potential. Amazing.
I I'm not dumb away.
I also remember when the gray ones leaked this year.
I think it was on fanatics.
And there was, like, that rough outline cut.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, that's what these look like.
Like they made the gray was better from when they leaked.
They look like this.
You're You're right.
Like there's nothing to these.
They had these, like, you know, making the most of, like, ah, white and black jersey.
The way they make everything pop, nothing pops about these.
It's no, it's fab at the Christmas turns like that.
I don't know why they like the biggest vegetable day of the unit Sighs made Martin Luther King Day like, Oh, they got to do better than that.
We got the Dodger jerseys.
These range from 2013 to 2017.
Uh, and look, I'm to say right now, I don't know how high you can rank anything with sleeves.
There are very few teams that made the sleeves look good, and it definitely wasn't some of their older players like older Paul Pierce did not make some of it.
Just didn't really work for me.
I like honestly of any of the sleeve jerseys.
I don't even know which ones I like the most.
We have three of them coming up.
We have the Christmas jerseys right here and then the first Stars and Stripes.
I guess I like the Stars and Stripes just cause of what it turned into.
But she like I Here's my thing.
What? I don't like.
This leaves who I love the idea that they embraced the Brooklyn Dodgers.
I feel like like I've seen mocks of, like, a light, the White Dodgers with the with the blue and then the red number.
I don't know that it might have been that season as well.
It says Nets, and it s so basically, it's just the same concept that Brooklyn Dodgers concept, which the Nets actually originally wanted to use, that wanted scholars, and they got denied.
So I think they could have done so much with this.
Just that color scheme, like the gray and blue.
It's just, like, kind of like they're white And, like, with the like, my point is just they could have done so much more.
I think if they modeled the white Brooklyn Dodger jerseys, those could have been some of the cleanest in the MBA.
They probably still be Brooklyn Nets traded if they went with that.
Yeah, so and a lot of people, both these two, I think a lot of people still do, like, Yes, they do have the Brooklyn Dodger feeling.
People appreciate that.
Well, what would you order these II? These be the Christmas jerseys once again.
I mean, I might just have to automatically throw these in a dear enough.
All right? Are these Yeah.
Yeah, That's like I don't even look like pajamas.
Like I love the stars ones.
If they just didn't have this lead.
Yeah, but those would be Those might have been the best jerseys since they moved to Brooklyn.
If they didn't have the sleeves, I'll give him a T because I think they pay homage toe to the A B a days.
The ones that we have in the A category that Dr J.
Wrapped have the stars inside.
And then they had two stars on the shorts, but they just turn them into black and white.
And yet they're one of true jerseys that actually just said that's on them.
So I kind of appreciated them just for that.
But the sleeves just killed him like it made them solidly.
But you take the sleeves off those clean jersey, I think I could put these as a D.
I think, Yeah, I think that's why I love the idea behind them.
I don't love the execution in a way I just like, but I really like the idea of the of the Dodgers A for a for effort diva.
That's gonna be my my Lincoln bios.
These aren't even warned.
I just threw these in here. I know these were warn.
I've seen I've seen I think They're like Michael.
They were maybe just all right.
I think are the I thought they were.
They were Ah, they were like, they released him for every single team, and they never actually got warning.
I am here for fun, So I mean, it was again there for me. No.
What do you think? I know a hate A But I also like looking at those jerseys that you're right.
Remember if that was a good year of Christmas bullet? I also think I'm, like, a little bias to that year of Christmas ball.
I think they're fine.
They might even be a c for me, but I don't want to put him in the same category is like where other jerseys that have actually have memories in them.
So but you're hating it.
Uh, because we have another one at the very best.
What? I I don't even know, man. I don't know.
I'm glad they took.
That's what you're gonna see me And next summer, thes tress sisters, You're gonna be like, What do you weigh? Oh, no, it does, Nets.
It looks like I can't even see Like the font is just so awkward.
your fought guy.
This is This is a big font guy.
I may need you to help me without right there.
Big fun guy, right? I need you to help me out.
I'm doing all this social content now.
I'm like, there was a lot of thoughts on these.
I'm realizing I'm like, this is hard what I'm doing.
Um, let's do the stars and the stripes of second ones you? No, A plus, I think they're in a plus.
Really? Dio Really? Yes.
With I mean, the original Nets jerseys really were top knowledge, but I think again, I think these are the right with the black Hoosier.
I think these are probably the best jersey since I moved to Brooklyn.
Like just everything about them again.
They pay homage, toe be away.
Uh, New York Mets jerseys.
So instead of that red stripe, they have a black stripe in the white and black stars inside, and it's a jersey that says nets on it, for God's sake, The team name. Oh, my God.
We're gonna put a team name on a journey a miracle.
But now those those air so clean, I think look so nice.
They may be played, like five teams.
Um, you're one technically of Kenny Atkinson.
Didn't Woody, I believe, right.
I think timeline lines up, I believe.
Um, I right about that.
This is where I'm looking.
Really? Suspect is a e.
I think I think the less I think they were these when Germany win and Brook Lopez that so these didn't cross over? I don't think so.
I think they only last one year they won eight times.
Um, yeah, Jeremy Lin in Brook Lopez out.
That was a team at work.
I'm the same thing with the two sleeve start, you know? Okay, so not exactly a storied time, necessarily.
But if they I mean, they won't bring these back cause they just warm.
But I wish they were these air sick remixed urges.
I remember because complex complex released.
These, like the nets didn't do, is complex.
That that had their hands on it like the next, made them their own, uh, their own version of it.
And I remember writing the article on that's daily and just saying like like, wow, they they finally they brought one of the big we abandon it.
I like him a lot better than these next years.
These I'm interested to see what you have these because they should.
So I'll zoom in on these.
You first off the thing.
That's the problem.
We talked about this on the glue guy stream last week.
You couldn't see that.
The bridge cables.
That's the So that's the whole concept of this.
It looks like one of players.
Last name is to, uh, like Chris Douglas Roberts.
So for me, that's just a huge negative.
That's like it aesthetically looking at that.
The fact that you can't even see what the concept is, it just looks like they ran a space as a font guy.
I don't know, man.
I hated these when they came out.
Now I did an interview with fabulous because he he had Ah, he was endorsing them.
The night to stay warm is he was walking around that they're the throne on the kids and stuff like that.
Now, five guys in the video, you know, he's got swag.
You got, like, a gold plated, uh, long so kind of nice to see.
The problem is we have to picture these on me already.
Someone said you need a haircut in this chat.
So you got a picture of me right now.
Haven't seen son in two months like that's what we got to do.
These would not look good.
They kind of just looked like those thirties.
When you walk into, like, a sketchy store and like they're supposed to be, like the real thing, I don't know.
This is thes air like the C**** Street editions.
All right, well, I'll say this like like the Dodger jerseys.
Like, I think it was cool if they tried to do something with Brooklyn Bridge.
They just didn't execute.
Like, you see, like the side white part like That's kind of cool.
But otherwise, like you said, you can see the the wiring for the Represents the Brooklyn Bridge.
If if if you could see it, I think this would be a different story and I would I can see from their end of being like you don't want to make it to visible because then you don't even know if you could read the fawn, especially if it's like curved like that, like it might overlap but, uh, that I don't know.
I think these are We don't have many in the B and for good reason are these These might be a d for me.
I don't know if the same thing.
You know, like, I think I think if you remember correctly, the Indiana Pacers had one kind of similar.
But instead of like going around like they did Indiana and then pacers on the bottom like, they probably would have been better suited if they put Brooklyn on the top like that red then nets underneath.
I think the black and white they could ease.
They could do something with the pinstripes to do.
And they just can they fail that like, they just I hope they bring it back that be interesting to try to do a little bit with the with the stripes because I couldn't stand Howard.
And you know what to like.
You have you have a connection, Teoh the Yankees on? Yes.
So, like, you know, like the two organizations do Kind of kind of, uh oh, no.
Coincide with along with certain can kind of do something that big ideas here on this stream.
started off the dome.
Um, let's do the I guess what? These are just the gray alternate, so I'm not even sure what these air called with stars down the side.
Yeah, I don't remember when they wore these, I saw him.
Listen, I'm like, I don't even remember Think the Mari Carol's first year.
I just don't remember these. Warren.
Was that Kenny's first or second year to own a thing? I think, man, because they kind of look like the remix charges that I was talking about with the Jeremy Lin Warsaw.
Yeah, maybe the first or second year.
What? Kenny, I just don't I like them.
I just don't like to be Kale.
Say that's the problem with it.
That's the problem.
I don't like that.
I don't like I don't know.
I think there's a 1,000,000 abbreviations for Brooklyn.
I've seen bkn I don't know bkl y in.
Like how? I don't know that I don't know if I've necessarily seen that.
No, I'm not with Is it a C I c level? May Maybe they could go on the B category like that Screws it up they like, but designing started embedded.
The design isn't bad.
It's just its its the bkl wine that see, I think they're better than the redwoods.
So that makes me want to put him in the same category as the Navy's.
But I don't know, like in the same categories love blew them like now I'm high on the wall, right? You have the blues.
It definitely better than that.
Uh, this is the right Sammy.
Another category I love.
I love the stars on the side.
I love the omelets toe Kind of like so the a b a days with bkl One can't stand.
I'm to throw these. I'm letting you.
You're deciding this one.
I just don't know anybody from Brooklyn, including my entire family.
Who's lived there for the last.
No one knows how long.
60 years that would ever say.
Like if they saw those Jersey bkl.
Why don't think. Is that never? Yep.
I think I would drop it for that.
We have another one coming up with bkl ahead.
But let's do these the coup.
Jeez, the black and Koji print or whatever they call them Brooklyn camo.
Yeah, You gotta be careful here, camel.
Uh, you know, I'm going with this.
I think you're gonna great.
Only so Brooklyn like Like they don't say Bed Stuy on them.
That black, they got the coochie trim.
Nothing over the top.
You're not pimping.
Big Got so much like it's just just settled.
And you again, like these air another, uh, like another kid that you could kind of wear anything underneath.
Now you remember, like the low wearing them with with swaggy sleeves on everything we could The socks look sickly.
The Brooklyn camel trip is so nice.
It's just like in the black with that, I think.
And actually, I think I know which is the nice part.
That's the biggest inferential Yater from some of the early ones is like It's just it's I like it because it it they're trying something different, but they're keeping that same simplistic branding.
It doesn't feel like it's in your face or anything like that.
I mean, these could be my favorite jerseys period of the last five years.
Honestly, I think these were probably my favorite jerseys in the NBA.
I I agree maybe maybe like the heat, uh, like, devices over clean.
But I think these are probably much Everything's in the FDA.
Just I think it's like you said the heat ones were really good.
The prince, uh, some of those prints jerseys that Minnesota did were pretty good.
Well, wait a minute.
I gotta throw in Minnesota a little.
Really? Oh, man, I like those we did way talked about those a little bit last week, and, uh, there's some good ones, but I actually think I like these a little bit better just because part of it's that you and I see them all the time.
So we've seen a more not just on the court, but, like, with different fits and everything like that.
So I've seen that they're versatile, like you can see these everywhere.
It's just a staple, you know, when it really is just a like, kind of like the original black ones, too.
Just with a different trimming on the side.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like they took a chance, but they kept it home.
You know, they stayed home with what? The general feeling.
So they look better.
Like I like the old court better just cause everything pop more.
It's not that the new court is bad.
It's just like when you saw the Vancouver Grizzlies coming to Brooklyn like and they had their throwback teal jerseys like you could see them so much more.
And I'll get to that point, I guess, with the next bkl wire you get, I also will say for people that have only been here since the Brooklyn era, I'm gonna call myself L to, uh, the the part.
These this is that so far like the most memorable I think team that we've seen yet and that's gonna change.
But I would, at least from what we're seeing right now, just the general feeling of last year's team.
That's just like you can't beat it.
You know, uh, you're talking about like, oh, yet that you are you thinking about not yeah without it that I mean so the only the first round exit team.
But just the camaraderie, the players there was such a likable team.
That stretch of basketball from December to April was like nothing else, and they've barely finished over 500.
It's crazy, but there what, Honey, forget in time, but they went there 1 20 out of 25 right? They were on a like 50 to 55 ish, one pace for a little while.
They remember doing numbers and stuff.
It's like from way back and just It was crazy.
It was crazy what was happening.
I think of deVeau.
Oh, and when he hits that game winner against the Lakers, like the redemption jerseys like that, that image in my head like now, if you re watch that video, the pictures will show you that the low is pointing like that, with the lows pointing with his middle finger at his main when he first.
And that's the rial image that you want and you have Luke Walton in the back out.
I mean, like that.
That, like that's the image I have in my head is like That was a bed like a baddest like ready team.
You know, not not the curse.
And this FW here.
Yeah, like that was like, That image is like, stuck in my head because Juries side and it.
Yet it's the perfect, like just it just encapsulates that moment of this guy's, you know, thrown out by the Lakers is there talking about his leadership and all this stuff, talking about a guy that plays his position.
They're like, Oh, yeah, we believe in him way more so It's just a big moment And, uh, he just he proved everybody wrong like it was the ultimate redemption story like this.
Get you know, again.
One man's garbage is another man's treasure, you know, and the Nets like everything that they were about that culture Kenny jackets and developing players and starting like maturing them like Sean Marches, way of making sure that they had high character individuals.
Like, I really felt like, Do you own the boys like they grew up together like they were friends off the court like it captures.
Like you said everything that that teams about everything that the organization was about and, you know at the time what what they preach the culture was about.
You know, I can't really say the same right now because I'm not really sure what the culture is, You know, it's superstar culture now, but you know, they're fun days because, as you know, any when you're coming up with everything with anything in life.
I think I think that's the most fun part.
Yeah, I think you obviously when you see success, the triumph feels great.
But like when you're on that rollercoaster ride up, in the end, the suspense is building and building match from things they're like, really, really far.
So, you know, Long live the 18 19 that I know.
I feel like I would be telling, you know, generations about this team that went 42 40 right? Hey, man, they're the team that that last them off into the stratosphere like they all the credit in the world because that's will not be in the position that they're in today.
It's funny watching that team even now, Like I watch the Kings game.
And like, it was, I felt that, well, one I felt how tired I just retroactive.
I was like, Man already remember how tired I wasn't watching this game being like, what is going on, like they really coming back.
And I'm like, they're gonna They're just gonna keep me up for no reason.
And then it just, like, is the most.
I mean, that performance is timeless, like it really is? Yeah.
I don't know what I got.
It's like I said about the J.
Like I don't know how you replicate like a team like that.
It's just like it seemed like last year where it's just again.
Everybody is against them that projected to him, like, 33 games.
When they just completely surprised everybody.
Uh, they go against the Sixers in the first round and they put up a dog fight.
I tell you what, like that came for and broken. Could've went.
Couldn't want a totally different way.
They blew that game, right? And what about a two to Siri's going back to fill it? Uh, and B throws a bone.
A flagrant Balto, Jared Allen and James.
Was it Jean too? Uh, yeah, that started the whole The whole issues of Jared Doubly and Ben sending this stuff, he should have gotten kicked out.
That man I was behind group conciliatory time, like in the media section heat.
Actually, that was I thought Jared Allen was not that, you know.
And so you see not to play this game. Sixes.
We're gonna win that seat.
Right? But the nets really did put up a fight now is just a team that they were so much fun to watch.
Well, it's like that serious is way closer than you'll look at.
Like if you look at some of the other five game Siri's like you could use the Magic Raptors.
I watched that whole playoffs religiously.
The first round, terrible.
But, uh, you watch that Siris in like, you know, this is That's a completely different Siri's like there was no contest past Game one, which is really a fluke D.
J Augustine for be.
You know, that should have been a sweet but And if you look at it, you know, back at it in time, you say, Oh, well, you know, the lower seed won Game one and then they just got, you know, they lost every game after that, and that's not the case at all.
Like this really felt like there was real gravity and two competing styles.
Um, this fast Nets team that shoots a lot of threes in this giant bawd for lack of a better term rough old school six years team, so we can t Of course I am like there's someone There is so much like extracurricular activity and that seriously, like the missing Benson supposed to like the fight in Game four.
Like, you know, I felt like, you know, not to, like, make it sound like the malice at the Palace.
But like when they got into that fight in Brooklyn being right there like, yeah, it almost felt like old Brooklyn was ready to jump in just because it was just like, like, everybody.
Like it was like a rider die wretch, Like it was just there's so much other stuff going on.
Then we go back to Philly for game five. I'm there.
I'm on the court like and I'm recording the reaction when they, you know, Jared Dudley started that game, you know, they built up that moment like the announcer, The p A announcer was so good.
It's really like he knew he's gonna put Jared Dudley at the first, you know, like and and and let it wait like you let the fans like Don't crazy.
When they announced of his name and they'd say the next name starting at shooting guard. Don't harass.
And then everybody would yell sucks, right? You know, just it was so What? What of experience? And I think like for the young Nets that still on the team now and are in a championship position like Caris, Levert.
Those guys didn't Woody.
You know it experience like that Jared Allen That definitely toughens them up.
And for them to go win in Game one and take one in a hostile environment like that, like I give.
I took my after those guys, and I think it's gonna make them better players when they do step on the court with Katie, if they step on the court with Katie and you know what fingers crossed.
We're living in a world of cautious optimism right now.
The best you can do with just about everything.
Let's get let's leave these these happy times and we're gonna get into this.
So this when this Jersey first came out this gray Brooklyn, these air What the city edition are the statement edition jersey.
I was get those two mixed up statements.
I don't even know what the difference.
It's for all these titles.
Nike is just making money.
That's pretty much what I'm seeing.
These So these came out people, at least at first really didn't like him.
Really, really didn't like him from at least what I saw.
That may be different from what you saw.
The reactions were missed, you know, kind of mixed.
And And this is when I knew we were in a new era, like all the the expectations There suddenly up, people are expecting the best possible jerseys on these two will one.
But eventually two guys.
That's when I knew I was like because when you actually saw these on the court and you even saw remember the practice of the park.
You see Kyra and K d and these and you're like, I kind of like how they look that but the thoughts, the only problem in the BK BK l y, and that's it.
But I would have liked it.
I don't know if the Brooklyn Nets a few 100 Jordan went on wild out.
Maybe they I mean, I'm sorry, Matt, I I just with the great court and these jerseys playing on them like it just looks like watching on TV like they just took.
It's almost like they took the colors out of out of the TV and you're watching our black of life until you see the other team running down the court like I don't hate these Like I wouldn't wouldn't put them too low, like I'd probably put them in the b category cause they're not.
I just I hate the fun.
I hate the bkl y and I think they look cartoonish, like I honestly when they when you said when they first came out, I thought it was a joke.
Like I was like, I I'm not trying to, like, make anyone look bad, you know, like, I'm not trying to pull anyone out because I know there's a designer.
I worked really hard on these, but I just I think they just try so hard toe like like just Teoh appeal to Brooklyn.
They're hard working people.
They're simple people.
They're usually good people that don't take no stuff.
They don't take no crap.
This just It just shows me, like just trying to do too much saying that the court, like I just felt like they were just trying to do too much that the court that they had was, like, unique in its own way.
The herringbone and its style just popped.
You could see everything.
That the lighting on the court was so much better.
I just I don't like the way they did these.
And and the new court.
It just didn't Didn't do it for me.
I thought they failed majorly with ease, especially, You know, like you said, Nike is gonna make all this money.
You come out with a statement, turns you come out of the city addition.
So you're basically coming up with an excuse to make more jerseys? Mormon? Like Like at least ask your fans.
Like what? You know, like what we kind of do, Like what I like to do is, like, throw pulls up like, What do you like? I feel like the Nets have failed so bad at that, connecting to the fan base and actually seeing what they want and kind of thinking.
This is Brooklyn.
This ain't Brooklyn, baby.
Like I I'm just gonna tell you right now, personally at the practice in the far they kind of cool because you, like you said, Like, the forest is graffiti and they're playing on blacktop.
So the other thing.
You could have put any jerseys on those guys, and I think that would have jumped it up a level because that's the first thing you see these guys in.
So if you look at it like objectively, I I've never got used to the font.
But that's the only thing I can give them is that it's a fond memory.
It's like a real like Oh my God, these guys actually, you know, they're for really in Brooklyn for most people, so but that's it starts kind of looked like I don't know.
I wouldn't mind him like if there may be like at the bottom of the judge you like, I'm maybe like, because just like a little thing off to the side, But I don't like the stars yet.
Another thing to Matt is like something that I should I want to bring up his, You know, Kevin Durant.
When he signed with the Nets and he posted a picture on Instagram.
It was in those black hoodie jersey and they ditched them and they come out with the like, you know what I'm saying? Like those jerseys would have been the number one selling jerseys in the N B A is 100% he played or not, and they and they just you couldn't buy it.
You couldn't buy it.
Kevin Durant whack, uh, Brooklyn camel jersey because you wanted to Just like I don't know, You just were trying to do too much for the like.
It just made no sense to me like, What do you think Katie's thinking? Like people separate.
It's like, Oh, these fans can't get him with their fake, right? I don't know.
Just doing too much A good point cause I think that is a detriment.
Almost like the idea of that you, you know, because of what they're following up.
That almost kind of hurts them.
Even though it is the first thing we saw in Durant, I actually that's a really good point.
I might I might really drop those.
I actually might even think there I was thinking like a sea level jersey, but I even like those other be Kale.
Why in one's a little bit better, I like the red ones.
Are they a d leveled? Is that too harsh? Does it feel like we're being too harsh here? I me personally No.
Like I said, I think if the Nets went on wild and out, I think you may have to move that number 11.
Look has to f so mad because because these bkl wine ones aren't that faith.
So the red ones are good.
The ones that are in the d The black and white, I think.
Oh, my God of the sun.
I almost feel like those bad within that I wrote.
I can't believe you're disrespecting my my summer style are in these Christmas jerseys every day.
All right, We'll drop just just just to make things easier, we're gonna move it there.
I got appease the guest.
You know, um, so if we're putting the gray ones as a d, what do we do with the bed starts? The famous infamous yellow That's that's the opening day jerseys next year.
If it if they're in Disney World, that might.
It's kind of Ah, big Disneyworld vibes right there.
Yeah, right now, I put him in and kidding these air going on here.
So the light, you know, my beef with ease.
So when I talked to some of the people that made the jerseys and and some of the equipment managers.
First, they were showing me that the side trim was thicker.
I don't know if you notice that I don't know if people are able to notice that on TV, but I thought that schools like I like So the coochie, the Brooklyn camel pops more? Yep.
I thought the white was great, Yes, but then I saw bed Stein, and look, I get it.
It's a biggie Smalls jersey.
I bet if you were around today, he would say, I'd want you to put Brooklyn on it.
12 The Nets have no affiliation with bedside.
They don't They don't play in Bed Stuy.
How about Mill Basin? How about Park Slope? How about like it? It's almost just like because No, because again like, I have so much family, so many family members that live in Brooklyn and they're like the jersey is a dope.
But, you know, I live in I live in Mill Basin.
I'm not. Don't wear jersey.
It's a people that say they're gonna wear jersey will Bed Stuy on it.
I really I don't think people in bed, so I would wear this.
It's like, I guess maybe if you're like a huge biggie fans, but, like, I don't see, I love the dirty love the trim loved the concept.
Hate the Bed Stuy like you have.
It's just Why didn't you just write Brooklyn on? Yep.
Like if you remember the black ones.
They said Bed Stuy at the bottom.
They said bets, I at that bottom trim on the tech and now is cool, like so you knew it was a biggie tribute.
They just trying to do way too much of that, and they ruined a great I wonder if if this will be it with the coochie or the I'm never gonna get that right. The Brooklyn camo.
Like, if that will be it, he's gonna be the last ones with it.
I hope they would bring these back next year.
Like the I mean, it seems like they're gonna do the throwbacks, which is sweet.
But if they ever do like the white or the black camo and then they do it right, they do the way these black ones look, they got to get those black camels.
If they got the Yonhap Katie and Kyrie rocking those you know those just to clean.
Even these just just changed the Brooklyn.
Just It was just so simple.
It was still said don saying that everybody in Bed Stuy bought him.
So prove me wrong 10 minutes away.
I don't even know.
All I'm saying is, Doug, if it says Brooklyn on it, those are probably top sellers. Yep.
If you're in Honestly, if you're if you're a global fan, if you're in the UK or Australian, what is a bed Stuy? You know? Yeah.
You know, if you're not from New York like you, probably What's Bed Stuy? Yeah, you know, like again, unless you're a die hard biggie fan of J g fan like you probably don't know even what Bed Stuy is play there.
They don't practice that they don't do anything just ruined again.
A good a good idea.
We're in a good thing.
I probably put them maybe in the B can I agree with? I could agree with that because I do like the print and I fear that there's it's an idea and it's really close, like some of these other ones that are in these lower categories.
I mean, I just don't know off the jump if, like even the idea was there.
But this is like a good idea.
I mean, so let's say they had the regular Brooklyn.
Would you like those or the black jerseys a little bit better? What if these vets die? Ones were just said Brooklyn with the normal print that were on the black Brooklyn camo jerseys.
I think I like the black more still.
I just I just think the black is so well, I I think it's perfect.
I think it's like the perfect nb a Jersey foot looking to you.
I think I think that it doesn't get any better than that.
Either way is a good option.
I think the white would be interesting.
I'd be curious to see what pops a little bit more on that flooring.
That's all because those white yeah, they popped like they really looked this year.
You're right about that.
They did pop better on the great floor, and I like that you could see the print.
I mean, that's part of by design, but you can really see the print and that showed up on TV this year, so I'm cool either or I don't know what the Brooklyn looks like on the white.
Yeah, we'll never know.
I want to do this in five years and maybe they're bringing back.
Um, looks like we did.
Everything will kind of go through the top road that led these jerseys.
Man, those would be.
Where are the swamp Dragon Jersey? A plus.
Plus, we got to do it.
They made game of zones like we got to do it.
That's a Mitchell initiative.
I know that's a whiff by everybody, but I mean, I actually like that.
Then that's even like I wrote it in the when I wrote the game.
His owns piece on That's daily like, how cool would it be if, like they, they did like a swamp Dragons night.
And just from one day from one game, just wars, long training, you know, like like it would do.
It's kind of cool, like just as as a joke, like April Fool's Day.
You know where the where the swamp dragons for the night like this? I don't know.
I feel like you're probably sell a ridiculous amount of jerseys and you make a lot of people happy.
Do teams do that one like one game jerseys I'm trying to think of in the past? I mean, other than the Christmas Day once, which, if it's on Christmas Day, I don't want to see them try to do this on Dragons.
Christmas Day jerseys never turn out well, no, I'm wondering, like that's a concept they could probably do.
I don't I don't see why the NBA's would have a problem.
That especially if it's gonna sound like that.
You know you have.
Yep, they were the The swag shop is, Ah, what a couple is, um, filled with those apparently Dad to starter jackets and stuff like that, Man.
That's how they make this money.
They got new fans, old fans I like.
I think there's certain ways to bring in new fans and also make sure that they honor those those roots those New Jersey roots.
And I think that, you know, that's definitely the way to do it or just make really, really clean jerseys.
That helps to that.
You know that trumps everything.
It says Next on it.
You nice to see how much they care about that like that's what I said.
I think the Nets have felt so badly.
It actually like connecting with their fan base is seeing what they actually want.
I'm not here to kill the next, but like, you know, we go through like I don't know, 12 13 jersey since they moved to Brooklyn.
And none of them have really have really state, you know.
And how long have fans, in essence, for a throwback, It took eight years.
They're going to get him next ship.
It took eight years and new ownership toe to realize that maybe we should maybe to pay homage.
I just I think they could have done so much better.
I think they've done a great job with some of these jerseys.
Obviously, look at the A category A plus in eight a category.
We have four judges from Brooklyn there, you know, like they have done a good job.
It's just, um, as the fans what they want, like connected, the fans weren't You will sell more, and I think the other thing you'll see is that simplicity seems to be what really works, even some of those older ones, I guess, outside of the tie dye ones, though the tide I want.
I think part of that's just the era.
Like that stuff just would pop.
I think, in a lot of ways, but for the most part, really simple stuff.
Thoughts are very Vegas of the fought stream, you know, and just in honor of the colors and, you know, and keep it simple.
It's a very there's ways to do this.
That doesn't have to be BKL.
Why Brooklyn and Nets is is enough, you know, like that.
Just stick to that. Stick to your guns.
Be proud of who you are.
You know, they kind of like tried toe rush.
The nets name off.
I know they contemplated on even keeping it.
And look, I understand it when you re branding like like, look, you know, it's it's totally understandable.
But at this point, you know you're the Brooklyn Nets.
Be proud of who you are.
Your history isn't that bad.
And you do have a fan base from Jersey from New York among I on, like you know, and they're still there still are plenty of people that care about about those teams you look at someone like myself.
Me kind of reserving were in those stands at the manor Lands.
Grew up knowing they're a big part of your fan base now.
And they're only 15 20 miles away in Jersey.
It's not like it's not like and I keep saying this, but it's not Seattle toe.
Okay? See, it's not going through with Memphis extras.
You to Brooklyn like just give the fans what they want, man.
Just just stop trying to do too much time.
Be gentrified broken systems, the simple Thank you.
Something simple, baby food.
I appreciate you for doing this.
I want to let you plug away.
You got many things. A plug.
Not that My little simple blood much for you, but I don't even know I got a I got a new episode on the Brooklyn way.
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Wants to check that out.
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You know where to find me on Twitter, on instagram, anything like that.
It's just a pooch.
You know, Anybody obviously wants toe nets, talk life, whatever it might be.
I know this is tough time for everybody but things like this that we gotta stick together.
Stay mentally strong.
I hope everybody say safe Nurses, doctors, everybody out there.
I want to thank them. Matt.
Obviously, I want to thank you for having glad.
It's a pleasure talking with you.
And I'm glad that we, you know, we finally did something.
Yeah, I'm happy.
We We, uh We played a little bit and everything.
Try to do something fun.
Something like, You know, we don't need toe do fake trades, coaching search every day with something like Like you always say, Keep it simple.
Just keep it simple.
Something like, um, I appreciate you for coming on.
I'll see you around.
Were both around, is what it is.
But do it again.
Sounds good, my man.
Good to have you on.
I will be checking that podcast.
Everybody should do so as well.
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