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00:00:00
a question that I had put out there on a Twitter poll yesterday.
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A few guys who didn't see it.
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The question was, basically, could the Chicago Bulls have won eight straight championships? Had Michael Jordan not retired for the first time? Ah, without to play baseball.
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So, um, the poll ended up coming back.
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43% said no, they wouldn't have one in.
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57% said yes, they would have.
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Ah, tired vice versa.
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57 said they wouldn't have one in.
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43% said they wouldn't have one.
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And Steve, um also said they were never won. So I'm gonna go first.
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I'm gonna say, I think that they could have won eight.
00:00:43
You know, I mean, yeah, I want to say I go I want to say hello first got you could go in top in Just wait.
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Just wait to the people.
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This is why we need, like, a Molly care, you know, like somebody like, bring us both in together and said Yes.
00:00:57
Although Molly carom, she's like he's like, you know, how many Maxim Stephen a look at How do they when she cuts him off their like, just shot up lady.
00:01:07
Well, im talking and making my point.
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I mean, they have so much respect for Joe and Rose.
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They better fallen gold mine.
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Hey, we can get 1/3 person in their lives.
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So if anybody out there wants to be on Molly Choir and let us know, um, so anyways, um, for me, I think that they definitely could have won eight straight championships.
00:01:26
And the way I proposed a question on the way I'm looking at it was that if you had everything from, um when he retired that 94 95 season, everything that happened in the MBA, if it all stayed the state as far as players uncertain teams, the Rockets coming out of the West free and see all the stuff that goes in injuries, everything stayed the same in those two seasons.
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If you just plugged Michael Jordan into the rubber boats, could they have won the championship those two years? Um, And for me, that's a yes.
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I think they could have for sure.
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Um, those years, if you look at the ah, just let's just leave the west out of it.
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Let's just say that rockets already there in the finals.
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Those two years for the West like that happens already.
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I'm looking at it as the Bulls, um, getting Tony Crew coach to be his first year.
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We know how that played that season.
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We know the way Pippen was playing in the way Horace Grant and B J.
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Armstrong, just the team as a whole, was playing.
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I mean, they won 55 games that year without MJ, so plug them in and I could see him going over 60 wins.
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Um, and then you look at the competition in the Eastern Conference that year.
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You have the Atlanta Hawks, a Z, the one seed with Mookie Blaylock and Stacey Augmon.
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And, ah, Dominique was still on that team.
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But I was.
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It was way past his prime. Kevin Willis.
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I'm he was older.
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You had the magic with Shaq impending, but they were still young learning how to win.
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They had just come together, um, the necks, of course, which always at the one of the Bulls side that they place a complex series, Um, and then the Pacers, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and all those guys.
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So those are probably the top teams in the East at that point, um, and I just I think the Bulls could have, you know, all those things.
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I think they could have made it to the finals.
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They've proven that over the years I think they could handle, um, they could handle the Knicks.
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They could handle the Pacers.
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They proved going on when they got a full season that they could handle the magic.
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A couple years later, they took care of the magic that actually swept on get a full year.
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So you get that team and they're playing Penny in chat kind in their fresh air together.
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Um, you know, I think they could have beat from other say anything could happen.
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But I think the Bulls had the makings of a team that could have made it back to the finals on.
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And if they made the finals going against the Rockets? Um, I came, I think what he gave the work business came.
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There was nobody on the Bulls eye could that could handle Hakeem.
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But there's also nobody on the Rockets that could have handled Michael Jordan or the rest of the Bulls team, for that matter.
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You know, the Rockets and Sam Cassell.
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Mario? Really? Robert Ory.
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The second time they had Clyde Drexler, they brought here, man.
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Clyde was past his prime there.
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Michael already took care of Clyde in 92 with the Trail Blazers.
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So, um, you know for me, do I think it would have happened? Probably not, but it's hard to sustain that level of success for so long.
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But could it have happened? Definitely.
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I think it's a very high chance that it definitely could have happened.
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Well, the first score.
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But I'm good. Okay.
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Thank you, Molly.
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Anyway, still, I just want a first state that I thought this was just an awful question.
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And I think it's a stupid question because, like, I'm gonna throw hypotheticals in there.
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And I know you don't want me through hypotheticals in there, but we'll start off with, however you want to turn the question.
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That's fine.
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No, no, we'll start off what we know about the end of the first threepeat.
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OK, so thing they rally against the Knicks, the whole gambling allegation happens that sends that that turns toe weight on the shoulder.
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We saw how lethargic Jordan was after the 92 Olympics.
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They go toe a Game six against Phoenix, which they arguably could have lost.
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That could of went seven because he could have had that play a Game seven in Phoenix, which they might not have won that game.
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And then it's time.
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Others say you're saying could have, but we know that that didn't happen.
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They won three championships.
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I understand that.
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But my point is like we start like how close that team was toe not completing that threepeat, all right? And so they move on to 94 his dad dies.
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All the controversy with the gambling aspects fall into place.
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So we already know, like how bewildered he was going into the end of that year, and then you put all of that extra pressure on him going into that next season.
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It's kind of hard to think that that wouldn't have hurt him at least and that team camaraderie going into that year with all that extra baggage, you have the rockets that were on the come up.
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You already store that there was beginning to have some *** in their armor.
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I definitely believe that they definitely want rattled off eight in a row and I think that we can kind of, like, pinpoint 93 as a big issue going into that season.
00:06:13
Now, like you said, like talent aside, if that just played and everything stayed the same, would they have been there? No doubt they probably would have gone back to the Western Conference finals.
00:06:23
Wear and tear, no matter what.
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I do think that the powers that be, though, say that down the line if we played 1/4 a 5th 1/6 season consecutively like that would have eventually caught up to that team and where the hypotheticals come in.
00:06:40
So you're saying that they could you? So you're saying when they got to the second threepeat, like maybe they win for Maybe they win five in a row, but definitely not 67 and eight? No, I like When I answered your question on Twitter, I basically said, I think the 2nd 3 p happened because the layoff was actually a good thing, allowed Jordan to get readjusted to where he needed to be playing baseball.
00:07:04
It gave him a break to finally come back.
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We saw that like yes, like they were a little bewildered in 95 against Orlando.
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But my point to you was they were missing Horace at that point, and they expressed how big Horace Grant was to that team and how they didn't have that inside presence.
00:07:21
And that probably would.
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It took a lot more pressure off him in that Siri's if the rosters were flipped.
00:07:27
So we already know that Jordan, the Jordan Rules book came out.
00:07:31
So we already know Forest was creating animosity.
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We already know Crouse's crate creating a power struggle between the team.
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So, in my assuming horse grants on the magic in 95 can I can I assume that happened? Yeah, because I had it because I had that you're going all right because I had everything staying the same.
00:07:48
So whatever ended up happening happens.
00:07:51
All right, so, you know, you do.
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I scenario, all you're doing is just taking that Bulls squad at and Michael Jordan.
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Eight seasons is a long time with those away.
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Those seasons were running to say that they could sustain that accents, and I My point was that maybe they do win 1/4 or fifth championship, but after a while that wool is gonna come no matter what so maybe that ends up hurting the legacy in year, six year, seven year eight.
00:08:16
Maybe Denis Robin never makes his way to that team, because in that, in their aspect of it, they probably don't even look for him because they don't really even need him.
00:08:25
What, they're still winning.
00:08:27
Maybe Phil Jackson's forced out two years earlier because Crouse's like six championships by 96.
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Well, we don't need to go on and have these two more championships.
00:08:37
Maybe Jordan turns around and says, I'm ready to go play baseball now and I never want to come back because let's be realistic.
00:08:43
If that player strike never happens in that 94 95 season, that idea might never crossed his mind.
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Ever come back? I don't know.
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He said things He said things.
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Would he, even even before that, straight like I don't think the strike was like.
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And maybe that was the icing on the cake.
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But he had already talked much of teammates about coming back and playing again.
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He even told called B J.
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Armstrong and said, Hey, man, the league is looks a little a little warded down in those two seasons because they had just cried.
00:09:11
Some expansion teams put in, so they were expansion years.
00:09:13
He's like, I think this might be a chance to steal a couple of championships.
00:09:17
You know, I think you planning on coming back regardless of the lock of Wen.
00:09:22
But Wen, because if he turns around in 94 95 has a great baseball campaign, the idea is if he's getting better and we know how goal oriented he is, he might have said to himself, Well, now my goal is to honor my father and make it to the major leaks like maybe that ends up being the agenda.
00:09:40
So if we just put it back and say he played, he s So what? Spend the question as to say, baseball never crosses his mind.
00:09:50
Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:09:51
Yeah, that's we don't question that's the question like baseball would never have come into play.
00:09:56
Ever wants to leave? Yeah, he might eventually do it, but just knowing the person that he was, how tough he was to play with knowing that his relationships on his team weren't really bonded together.
00:10:08
It's hard for me to say that at some point they would have hit a wall.
00:10:13
And if they hit a wall like, how would the landscape of that team would have changed from that point forward? So, yeah, I guess, like you can say, like, talent aside like, Yeah, they were good.
00:10:22
But I mean, we saw the finals that he played in.
00:10:25
If he's going Year six against Seattle, maybe he's really not up for that.
00:10:29
Siri's at that point.
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Maybe way by times he plays the Jazz.
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Maybe.
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I mean, if George Karl, if George Karl still walks past him at the restaurant, doesn't say hi.
00:10:39
Yeah, he's gonna be he's gonna be up for that series.
00:10:42
You know what I mean? Is this guy just Michael Jordan has never not been up for a vegetable.
00:10:48
Never mind a playoff.
00:10:49
Siri's.
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He's never not been for a basketball game.
00:10:52
I'll give you a story that I heard that Reggie Miller actually told Reggie Miller's work. You season.
00:10:57
They're playing a preseason game and ah, Michael Jordan and is obviously a veteran now in the league, so he's kind of going young through the motions and everything like that, and it's It's preseason and Reggie's going.
00:11:10
Adam and Reggie's got out scores of attended to in the first half and he's talking.
00:11:15
He's talking trash to MJ is like You're not getting Dr Michael is a God.
00:11:19
There's a new kid in town.
00:11:20
Well, but Michael comes out in that second half and outscores regiment of 44 to 2 and second half of that game because he just found ways to and himself look for any type of game.
00:11:31
If he's in a final, Siri's doesn't I don't care how much you know he's he's her injured are, um, not playing well or he will find a way to get himself motivated.
00:11:44
He's had bad games and finals before.
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They were talking about that Seattle Siri's.
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He only averaged 23 24 game, which is way below his average of over 30 for the playoffs.
00:11:53
But he found ways to win, and he found Ways Toe have big games in big moments.
00:11:58
I don't think that changes.
00:11:59
I don't think his mentality changes.
00:12:00
Knowing what you know about Michael Jordan, why, why would his mentality change? It never has.
00:12:06
Maybe, but it doesn't have to be his mentality.
00:12:08
It could have been the pieces around him that could have changed after a while like that.
00:12:13
That whole, like the shenanigans thing in the Fiqh, the fake drama and all that stuff could have been played out like Scott.
00:12:20
We talked about the other day.
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Like like that team works because Scotty gets paid $2 million a year in in this day and age like the n B A.
00:12:31
They run four year contracts with opt outs after the third there.
00:12:36
And those contracts contracts are all max money.
00:12:38
So at some point you have to assume that, like there was going to be a little bit of a power struggle.
00:12:44
I know that this is a nice hypothetical, But knowing what we know about sports and what we know about egos and what we know about that organization in general, we know that there would have been something that would have probably found its way to derail that team at some point.
00:12:59
And to think I mean, we all know sort right? We almost sort of 98 right? What? Scotty not taking the surgery and and Michael calling him selfish and stuff like that.
00:13:08
But even if there was a day, you ask those guys, Those guys still like this? You know what I mean? So I don't know.
00:13:12
How bad could it have caused any issues in the locker room? Because I think when you get to sit back for 10 15 years and you kind of let it digest like they said like it was all worth it.
00:13:23
But in that moment, you kind of have to think to yourself like, Well, you know, championships are great legacies.
00:13:30
You don't really think about legacy that the Bulls the Bulls had in 98.
00:13:34
Like what we're seeing with the last.
00:13:36
If they had one of the most dramatic seasons that there waas in 98 True, in 1988? Yeah, exactly.
00:13:44
Internally with the owner.
00:13:45
And tell him the best coach in NBA history that if he goes 82 no, it doesn't matter.
00:13:49
He's not coming back, Scotty, you know not.
00:13:52
Take not you don't want oh, **** up with some hard to get surgery early and not coming back to help M.
00:13:57
J. And the Bulls start that season.
00:13:59
You had Rodman midseason saying he had to go to Vegas.
00:14:02
You just had to leave the team and go on a hiatus to do what he had to do, like all this internally in the locker room, could have affected them very negatively.
00:14:11
And they showed that they can withstand all that and still win a champions.
00:14:15
Yeah, but the difference was they all knew at that point that that was it.
00:14:19
The Swan song was 98.
00:14:20
They titled The Last Season Last Dance, which were watching.
00:14:23
Now, that's why the do***entary is where this is so like there.
00:14:26
I think from a perspective standpoint, they all knew it was coming to an end, so they needed to lock in the need to hang on.
00:14:31
They needed to do whatever they need to do.
00:14:33
But we're trying to put ourselves in the 94 95 situation when if they're going to keep playing and they're never gonna think, like all right, next year's the next year's it.
00:14:42
Like when doesn't like that trip actually end up playing? Because we saw the chip didn't play until, like he came back, they lost Orlando, and then he came into that that summer being like, Well, I'm gonna keep playing basketball.
00:14:54
Then I better make sure that I'm ready to go this year.
00:14:57
Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:14:58
That Michael Jordan that you get at the beginning of the season is the Michael Jordan.
00:15:02
You're gonna get No.
00:15:03
94 95.
00:15:05
But remember, like to get away from that controversy at the end of the 93 season, he needed to go play baseball and go start something new.
00:15:13
If he goes to 94 his dad dies.
00:15:16
The gambling, the gambling birds start chirping in thinking that it's a Mafia hit and and that kind of leak put tunes itself Dude like, it's kind of hard to think that, like, emotionally, that wouldn't just drained him.
00:15:29
And it's hard to make that like maybe year four.
00:15:31
They don't end up just losing because, like, there's a lot on this point at that moment.
00:15:35
So no one would, you know, like know what? You know what, like in 94 this because we're like, on 93 Michael Jordan is the best player in the world, and I you could say that all you want, but we don't know what that kind of adversity would have been like for him if he went into that season, and I'm trying to see way know anything about Michael.
00:15:55
He would have went into the season.
00:15:56
It just ordered his father and trying to win another championship.
00:16:00
No, not not.
00:16:01
Why would he not have done that? Pete decides that he wants to play basketball.
00:16:05
He's gonna go give it 100% for his father.
00:16:08
Listen, listen, we can play this whole Michael Jordan game.
00:16:11
He could average 50 points in that 94 season, but everybody else needs to fall in life.
00:16:17
And the fact of the matter is that team they worked.
00:16:20
That makes it to the semifinals in 94.
00:16:23
But I think a lot had to do with the fact that they were so new and we talked about it with the Celtics with no Garnett like that team still knew how to play together.
00:16:32
I don't think, and we already know the Eastern Conference was trash.
00:16:36
I think it was easy enough for them to be able to make a Game seven the semifinals and and that would have been it.
00:16:41
But the team fell in line in 91 92 or 93.
00:16:45
The tear fell in line.
00:16:46
They were able to win championships you're just getting that team into another season.
00:16:50
That team was similar.
00:16:51
You still have words. Grant B.
00:16:53
J. Armstrong pipping.
00:16:54
You're adding Ku.
00:16:55
Coach Coach got brought over.
00:16:56
Obviously, God, you're making a team already. Better.
00:17:02
You're making them better.
00:17:03
But you don't know like how the egos of that team would have worked.
00:17:05
We already knew Scotty was upset that Tony Crew coach or rookie was gonna be making three times as much money.
00:17:11
We although we already sore how already sore.
00:17:14
How Phil trying to phase Scotty out in moments of that playoffs because in his head.
00:17:18
And we can kind of like, kind of pointed out that he didn't see Scotty out.
00:17:23
He didn't try to play for no, but it wasn't purposely to phase them out.
00:17:26
It was a strict basketball decision that that play was better than any player that they could have drawn up because I had worked multiple times before.
00:17:33
Michael Jordan's on that team.
00:17:35
No, in 94 does that play get drawn up for Tony Ku coach? No, because Michael go to a different place was likely.
00:17:41
But that's the point that I'm trying to make you talked about last time Scotty can't catch a shoot.
00:17:46
Michael, can I know that? But in that year, Scott, he was like, This is gonna be my team.
00:17:51
Like my I'm going to get the MJ moments now.
00:17:54
And that's not the way that that team operated like that team operated, which was whatever they need to do.
00:18:00
To win a game like that was the best way to do it.
00:18:03
But the fact of the matter is like that can only get you so far in a season, you can have a good regular season.
00:18:08
We've seen it with bad Celtics teams where, like teams with Isaiah, like they could have a good regular season.
00:18:14
But when you get them, they're the ones.
00:18:16
They're the one seed, right? And then change.
00:18:17
Yeah, but guess what If they don't? If the Bulls with rage on Rondo, it doesn't get hurt like they might lose that first round series.
00:18:26
The Chicago, after dropping those two.
00:18:27
And my point is like when you start a beer, when you're able to prepare for a team without Michael Jordan in the playoffs, like you're most likely gonna be able to take care of them in seven games which we saw.
00:18:36
Now you add Michael Jordan, that equation and all those hypotheticals and how everything could have possibly changed eight championships in a row.
00:18:44
Like, I think, after a while, Jordan, What hit a wall and just said, Well, six in a row is good here.
00:18:49
Let's just stop it And then I hope e Yeah, I don't know.
00:18:53
I just just to the competitors that he is like he always went to every game wanted when I don't think there's a point where you just like let's flip the switch and turn it off like if he's committed to the game.
00:19:01
Obviously, with real time like he committee is a committed players to the game, then you're going to get his old a long time.
00:19:10
He's committed, but we have to really think about what everybody else been committed to.
00:19:15
And everybody wasn't as all in as he always was.
00:19:18
And as we have seen like that, that roster did change.
00:19:22
If they're not always all in at some point, yeah, but even the grievance see, now it is right in the league.
00:19:28
Now it is no matter how much Chicos on a locker room of between players, like even with the Warriors is the crap that went on between Katie and Durant.
00:19:36
Like you sweep that under the bus because you know you're on a championship level team.
00:19:42
If you're a player, regardless of issues, if you know you're on, the team that's able to win a championship will be competitive for a championship.
00:19:48
You said everything assigned.
00:19:49
You go to work and you get that job.
00:19:50
That's not happening.
00:19:52
That's a terrible.
00:19:53
That's a terrible example, because you had Kevin Durant coming to a team that was already the best in the league, and you're taking the second way towards each other on that team.
00:20:03
Yeah, but you're taking the second best player in the world, adding it to a team that went 73 9 And, yes, they could take all the embassy.
00:20:09
But when Kevin Durant signs that contract, everybody knows why he's coming there.
00:20:14
It's for Train, so it can actually work with the second best player in the world.
00:20:17
But Michael Jordan at the time, who is the best part of the world that couldn't work for him because no, because the difference is like that's his team, right.
00:20:25
Like you're not.
00:20:26
You're not adding Kevin Durant back onto a Warriors team that sucked or gotten eliminated in the semi finals.
00:20:33
The other four, like you're adding Kevin Durant onto a team that lost in Game seven to LeBron after being down 31 And we didn't talk about this like Draymond maybe not get suspended for that game. Five.
00:20:44
Maybe.
00:20:45
Maybe the Warriors wrap that up in five games.
00:20:46
Maybe LeBron never gets that championship.
00:20:48
That suspension never happens, but if he doesn't get that championship that we never have the Jordan Jordan LeBron debate.
00:20:56
But But what pathetically we're coming back.
00:20:58
But when we're coming back to it, to compare Kevin Durant like that doesn't make any sense because that guy's already that came, ruined the league like like they didn't even have to have.
00:21:10
They didn't have to be nice to each other.
00:21:11
They just need to go out there and ball.
00:21:13
We just want to show you how hard it is.
00:21:14
So, like how hard it is, the three people right like that couldn't have been as good as that seem was it couldn't even do a threepeat, you know, But knowing everything you know about like you trying to say that that is not fair.
00:21:25
That's not fair because injury hurt them.
00:21:28
If that team was healthy versus Toronto, they rolled Toronto.
00:21:31
But that's still not a three peat, is it? That would have been a three peat.
00:21:34
Yeah, because they wanted 16 17.
00:21:36
That's right. It was one of 69 17.
00:21:38
They would have three feet of no problem.
00:21:39
Like there's serious.
00:21:41
There's 0% chance with the Toronto Raptors would have beak that I don't care how good Leonard is.
00:21:48
Fun, healthy Kevin Durant, like that team rules them like No doubt like that. That's ridiculous.
00:21:57
Like, Come on, I don't best what you were saying.
00:22:01
Dude, let's not talk about Call our but I can't stand collar ****ing in Qatar.
00:22:06
That's your boy.
00:22:09
Anyways, like we were saying before that, you were saying, How about Michael's players not be committed in the 94 season or whatever 95 season.
00:22:16
Like watching the last dance.
00:22:17
You can clearly see that even though Michael is an *******, he gets the best out of his players, and you even have his former players say, like will produce.
00:22:25
I know that your boy will produce.
00:22:26
You can't help but bring up Will Perdue.
00:22:28
Well, for do Horace Grant, even co**** grain.
00:22:31
Even Steve Kerr.
00:22:32
All these guys that said Yeah, it was Michael an *******.
00:22:35
Yeah, but did it help us? Yeah, like, did we fall in line? Yeah, we did.
00:22:39
We did what we had to do to win.
00:22:40
What makes you think that would have changed? Because I'm not saying that they wouldn't have gotten back to the point of where they needed to get to, but to know, like, how close those finals actually were after Actually watching those back in those highlights and saying to ourselves like Do the 93 finals wasn't even that close like it went six games, but Jordan averaged 40 some points that Siri's like the Jazz.
00:23:02
Siri's 97 98 went six games.
00:23:04
Was that serious? Close? A six game Siri's isn't necessarily Ah, close Siri's look at that.
00:23:10
Look at the scores in those games and stuff like that.
00:23:13
I mean, come on.
00:23:15
First off, we store how Charles Barkley came out and said that Game one, that team wasn't ready and kind of break reminisced about Jordan's first finals.
00:23:23
Exactly. It was over after Game one.
00:23:25
OK, but we're talking about a Game six where they're down four with 40 seconds left and it takes a Paxton three toe win that game.
00:23:37
And if that doesn't happen, we're going to Game seven in Phoenix with all the momentum for Phoenix and what it would have been Jordan's first riel game. Seven Tests.
00:23:47
And we saw.
00:23:48
Like we said, like we saw how bewildered he was by that point, so and then and then go back and we watched the Jazz.
00:23:54
Siri's like those Jazz series were a lot closer than people give us credit for.
00:23:58
I mean, through the Bulls.
00:24:01
The Bulls of John Stockton has the shot in Game six that we're gonna say the Bulls pick the Jazz by 40 earlier.
00:24:07
No, in the flu game of John Stockton goes to the line.
00:24:10
It's two free throws like he normally does an 86% ball shooter.
00:24:13
I like that game might go over that and 90 seven, but still that Siri's went six games, right? That sort of stuff was this guy that was Game five.
00:24:22
Like if the Jazz steal Game five, then all of a sudden you're going seven, and we saw how close Game six was at that point.
00:24:29
So like I said, like there was some close call.
00:24:32
Steve Kerr bailed amounts of second time.
00:24:34
Michael got bailed out, right? Steve ever.
00:24:35
Sorely.
00:24:36
George Karl made a serious mistake by not putting Gary Pete on Jordan until Game four, and we start like that.
00:24:41
Siri's did get a little tighter.
00:24:43
So if you haven't even that Series two like if you're you know this man, this is just like common sense.
00:24:49
Can you see this throughout the history of sports in any kind of seven games? Serious? If Europe 30 on a team, which team is gonna come out and play harder in game for the team that's on three over the team? That's down 30 I mean, if you got Michael Jordan or center urgency, more sense urgency.
00:25:07
I mean, you got a team that's down three.
00:25:09
Now I get yourself trying to close a Siri's out, but that's just how it works.
00:25:12
Marked, literally happened, fiery.
00:25:14
What's history tell you about teams that go three on a Siri's? They win almost every time.
00:25:19
Okay, so if you're that team in your down three Oda.
00:25:22
Michael Jordan in a Siri's.
00:25:24
Odds are you're not too confident that you're gonna come back in that Siri's.
00:25:28
No, But you're not gonna lay down.
00:25:30
You're not gonna lay down on the way.
00:25:34
Yeah, but if I'm the Bulls, I'm feeling pretty confident that I'm probably gonna close out the series and knowing how great they were.
00:25:42
No, I think those Siri's getting stretched showed me something that I mean, we weren't seeing sweeps like the Warriors just did.
00:25:48
We're not seeing those kinds of Siri's that name or like those Siri's went six games like could've went seven multiple times like you have a look at the teams.
00:25:55
So two with the Warriors of Prepare the team that LeBron is like the crabs.
00:25:59
The promise just two seasons ago.
00:26:02
Look at the difference we teams.
00:26:03
But even then I used the bull to read the Jazz earlier that serious by 40 something points.
00:26:08
Look at the Celtics serious that championship in 2008 Game six. The clincher.
00:26:12
What they want by 40 something.
00:26:14
I mean, it was the norm, saying it was a beautiful thing.
00:26:17
Happy about what happened? What happened in game four of which shares that Celtic series.
00:26:24
Yeah, Yeah, that's the word that is at the l A game, they were down by 27 points and they came back.
00:26:29
Okay, so think about that for a second.
00:26:31
They lose that game.
00:26:33
That's a different Siri's.
00:26:35
The Celtics turn around and get 27 back and make that historic comeback.
00:26:39
If I'm on the other side and I go up 31 that's years over, right? We're talking hypotheticals again.
00:26:47
Held. That's a hell.
00:26:48
The momentum swing right there happens.
00:26:49
You can hypothetical anything you could always say.
00:26:52
Well, what if this way of looking at what actually happened there? But if you're gonna implicate a guy into a 94 95 season that wasn't there until the last third part of the 95 season, which didn't work, you have to have the hypotheticals like you have to understand that late.
00:27:09
Just because, like the teams are the same anyplace in the beginning, doesn't mean that you would never know what will happen.
00:27:15
Testicles are like, you know, you're at an MJ to the Bulls, but you don't know in the question.
00:27:21
You know that you're the bulls are getting NJ.
00:27:23
You don't know anything else is gonna happen in the league.
00:27:26
So I mean that today is a tough question.
00:27:28
Answer. We all know that.
00:27:29
No, it's not a tough question.
00:27:30
Answer.
00:27:31
Because you already know the animals It is.
00:27:32
There's no definitive answers, not like a definite no, they wouldn't have won those championships.
00:27:36
I mean, the history of history.
00:27:37
Odds tell you that, like a teams probably knocking teams weren't that good.
00:27:41
The teams in the league were not that good that at that time I just rattle them off the Hawks with a one seed in 94 with Milky Play Lock and Stacey Augmon there.
00:27:53
And like I said, like I don't want to bring a lot LeBron Jordan argument into it.
00:27:57
But you were chastising LeBron for who he had to play.
00:28:01
I know I agree with it.
00:28:02
I agree that LeBron's error wasn't that good either.
00:28:05
I didn't think so.
00:28:06
I think Jordan's is better, but I don't think they were good enough either.
00:28:08
Like, I think the Knicks, now the Knicks of the 94 95 would give those calves teams or would be in the Eastern Conference finals would be the second best team in the East, Kind of actually, the same as they were this in 94 Um, saying I mean, we already so regression in 93 they weren't the best team in the regular season.
00:28:27
No, they weren't the best team in their conceded, but they're really good team.
00:28:29
It's a strong physical team, you know, they always they play very, very well.
00:28:33
And that ever it's different, though, like in that era, if LeBron's going to the basket.
00:28:36
Patrick Ewing's point about his ads.
00:28:39
I mean, I'm doing.
00:28:40
I mean, we got Charles Oakley coming out saying the reason why the Knicks stunk was because Patrick Ewing so, like why we wear the healthy basketball play like we're gonna believe Charles Oakley.
00:28:50
Come on, you've seen Patrick Ewing play basketball.
00:28:53
You think he's actually the real reason why the Bulls by the Knicks gonna be the Bulls? Are you coming a trip the big oak tree right now, like you're telling me that Michael Jordan.
00:29:03
I mean, let's be real like Charles Oakley Coakley's office because he can't go back to Madison Square Garden.
00:29:07
He got kicked out the light, so he's ****ed just come with.
00:29:11
Patrick knew it was coming out.
00:29:13
Patrick units coming out.
00:29:14
All the Knicks players, he's coming out.
00:29:15
The Knicks organization is mad.
00:29:16
All I know is Patrick Ewing's not a winner, and we're seeing it as at Georgetown because we all know he's not a winner.
00:29:22
But he's a good basketball player is not the reason why they lost.
00:29:26
I mean, what are you talking about? You need what? When didn't Patrick Ewing missile? Why don't been layup to cost his team a playoff series? Which playoff series against the Bulls sorely age is just a place, you know, it's the Pacers.
00:29:43
Okay, so they lost a serious because of him.
00:29:44
But I'm just saying he's not.
00:29:45
We're talking about when they played the Bulls.
00:29:47
I think it was the week you think Patrick Ewing Hall of Fame sent tragic Ewing multiple time All Star was the weak link on the next team.
00:29:57
Do I think he was the week? Listen like, can we agree that or that they lost the series because of him? Can we can we agree that great players have found ways to shrink up in the biggest moments that matter the most Yeah.
00:30:11
I mean, we agree that Patrick Ewing, every time you got to a big moment, he didn't show up.
00:30:17
Just about unless you're talking about.
00:30:18
He took the eight seed next to the final.
00:30:20
So yes, so you took that in seated next to the finals in 99 now that we're getting a short account.
00:30:33
So if they won the title that it wasn't Patrick Ewing that took them to the finals that year, it was Latrell Sprewell and Allan Houston that made that team what they were.
00:30:42
And don't forget Jeff Van Gundy grabbing Alonzo Mourning's leg in that that plastic scrum, those heat Knicks Siri's were walking.
00:30:50
Yes, but like I said, like, the question is a tough, tough, tough one to answer.
00:30:57
I think that just like anything in, like, different hurdles when it happened, and we can keep kind of going back on it, it's not gonna change anything.
00:31:06
Like I said, what I was on your side, like, What would I do? I think it would happen.
00:31:12
No, probably not.
00:31:13
I don't think what happened just to sustain that level of X excellence is art.
00:31:17
If anybody were to do it, do I think it would be Michael Jordan.
00:31:20
Yes, he's obviously the ultimate competitors.
00:31:23
But could it have happened knowing the teams and stuff that, yes, it could have happened.
00:31:27
So all right, so let's just drop bulky goes aside.
00:31:30
Everybody's robots.
00:31:31
Jerry Krause just went Stone face didn't care about anything.
00:31:35
The trying will always stay the same.
00:31:37
Like everybody just did their role.
00:31:39
Like yes, like they probably would have been there.
00:31:42
That's what they probably would have a shot.
00:31:45
But how good, really was that Rockets team? I mean, they were good enough to win a championship.
00:31:50
No, I know I don't back to back championships, but let's look at the players like compared to the players on the Bulls outside of outside of Hakeem, like K's room.
00:32:01
Great player, Really good player.
00:32:04
Good, good defender.
00:32:06
Morrow, Ellen, Robert Horry, Baby Robert or Champion Big shop.
00:32:12
We don't know about Robert Horry.
00:32:13
He just wins seven championships through on Blue Room in there.
00:32:17
Just throw me that.
00:32:18
Maybe he was.
00:32:19
Maybe he was the Jordan stopper.
00:32:20
We didn't even know it never did I tell everybody.
00:32:23
This is a shame that we never got to see that.
00:32:25
Siri's I know what that would have been.
00:32:27
A hell of a series now, like, kind of derailed before we get We get into the episodes tonight.
00:32:33
Um so obviously we're learning that a modern Schade is basically was Michael Jordan's lackey.
00:32:40
And and basically, he did.
00:32:42
He was all doubled.
00:32:43
All the interviews, the personal things And what can I say? One thing really quick.
00:32:47
Just kind of Segway.
00:32:48
Because you brought up Ahmad Rashad for everybody out there.
00:32:51
What time is it right now? Life tonight.
00:32:54
Life stream, dude. Yeah.
00:32:56
6 46 15 minutes Inside the MBA, His back tonight at seven.
00:33:01
That is not Snow Summer Sanders, dear No Summer Sanders.
00:33:04
But you still got mine Who looks like looks amazing Between 70 years old Ahmad Ershad's summer matters Summer Sanders matters.
00:33:12
I know she does.
00:33:13
I was disappointed but what she was doing, who even knows what she's doing nowadays? But the guest they got stopped in them alone is coming on the show.
00:33:22
She's a six unbelievable guests.
00:33:24
So I mean, just as an n b A fan is a basketball fan, but check that out.
00:33:28
So Ahmad Rashad was always the one that took care of Jordan, and we don't want to make a little abroad comparison.
00:33:34
But we kind of Brian with horse.
00:33:38
Okay, Wendy, all these years because all he covers is LeBron from high school.
00:33:43
All the way up like that was his job.
00:33:45
Like he tries to do other things, But it's moral.
00:33:47
It's it's 97%.
00:33:49
LeBron.
00:33:51
We saw a moderate shot go away once Jordan went away.
00:33:54
Just Brian Wind horse.
00:33:55
Just disappear.
00:33:56
When LeBron says I don't want to basketball anymore and he's your old and all of a sudden and they're all defend Wendy just pops up in like a 20 year do***entary from now.
00:34:06
The Cleveland Cavs do***ented of the LeBron James do***ented because I don't know if it's disrespectful to compare Ahmad Rashad T o Brien winners.
00:34:14
But I need that kind of thing with horses.
00:34:16
A good reporter.
00:34:17
But I mean, a modern shot is like you saw the relationship of mine had with players.
00:34:21
I think you're the one you just sent me the video.
00:34:22
We have it shocked when he was playing one on one.
00:34:24
Let me see what you got, big fella.
00:34:26
That's the video.
00:34:27
Everybody's probably seen it Shack dunks on Makes the room glass everywhere.
00:34:31
Yeah, yeah, but don't get that twisted like the first part of that video was all to my right down.
00:34:38
The comment was like a big man you've always seems own all your life while you're playing in the N B A.
00:34:42
Now and then he rises uppity Jay's one and then stopping, taking the whole he takes the ball with the flat top.
00:34:49
You missed them and then they come back now, like people have said like, That's fake like they did that on purpose.
00:34:55
But come on, dude, like you see, a bad shack falls on his back like I don't think a dude he's not doing that on purpose.
00:35:01
He could've heard of.
00:35:02
You're gonna seriously got hurt for the season week.
00:35:04
And is that is that when they made the decision to change the backboards plexiglass Because that wasn't a plexi glass backboard? No, it was probably shows that it was probably shortly after that for in fact, Michael Jordan broke a backboard when Duncan before, too.
00:35:18
If anybody hasn't going on my Twitter page, I've got some Great.
00:35:21
I have that to Kem Bay video when you can be a challenge is Jordan and Jordan.
00:35:25
Then the free throw opposed her early. This so many good things.
00:35:30
But like if you haven't seen that Shaquille O'Neal Ah, moderate shot video like that's an awesome video.
00:35:35
I've never seen that before.
00:35:36
I'm pretty sure that's on my page to definitely go check that out.
00:35:40
Awesome video.
00:35:41
But my question is this.
00:35:42
What do you think? Win horse goes away? No, I mean, I think he still works for ESPN.
00:35:46
Is still an MBA insider.
00:35:48
He so covers a lot of basketball who isn't just for he's obviously liberal. He works for ESPN.
00:35:54
Number one I know is LeBron's guy, but he also covers everything else.
00:35:58
He's got a podcast he's got like he's relevant outside of LeBron James.
00:36:03
No, he's on Lee relevant because of LeBron James.
00:36:06
Think about this like such addicted? No, because what we know what we know about the league's LeBron is the biggest spokesperson.
00:36:14
Ford leak like it wants to play the legal play.
00:36:17
So, like all that information filters down from LeBron for for wind horse to be able to do what he needs to dio when whoever's isn't going out of his way to interview anything.
00:36:25
What I'm sport what I'm saying.
00:36:26
He does report on other things, like you see them again and he doesn't always bring up LeBron James and you talk slow things.
00:36:34
Videos that have fallen asleep.
00:36:36
I like he's tired.
00:36:37
He's out of breath.
00:36:38
That's why they call the line D.
00:36:39
Do what else? What else is doing? He's just waiting for LeBron to text him something, you know? And that's it.
00:36:45
Like a windy.
00:36:46
Make sure you talk about this on your spot on ESPN tonight.
00:36:49
I'm not trying to blow up with Wind horse right now, but the fact of the matter is like him in a moderate shot are the same thing.
00:36:55
And the fact is like it's just another parallel between great players that, like whether it matters or not, it kind of does, I guess.
00:37:02
I don't know. It mattered to me.
00:37:04
It's a matter enough for me to ask.
00:37:06
So before we get off this, just wanna ask you Obviously, we got the last two episodes coming up with the last dance tonight.
00:37:13
What do you looking forward to the most or what kind of expecting out of these last two episodes.
00:37:18
Outside of Like what we know, we obviously know they win the championship and whatnot.
00:37:22
But what do you look forward to the most honestly closure? I want to know if there was any moment at the end of that 98 season, like where there was like, some sort of meeting to say, like, Hey, like, are we really doing this right now? Are we really moving on? Are we really disbanding this right now? Because I don't think that, like that, had what we know about anything, like, There's always got to be some sort of like meeting where they're like we still have a lot of good things.
00:37:51
Are you guys sure that you guys want to do this and go the separate ways so more or less just just closure? I mean, were we already know, like how it ends and like, it's epic.
00:38:01
I'm looking forward to see, like, the inner workings of that piece or Siri's, because that was a fantasy.
00:38:06
That's what I was going to say.
00:38:07
I want to see the inside of the patient's.
00:38:09
Here's what Reggie Bill had to say.
00:38:11
What the players thought, you know, Do they really think they had that serious Also, you know, I don't I think John Stockton's not in this, uh, he declined Teoh be interviewed for the do***entary, so it would be awesome to get his opinion on the Jazz serious.
00:38:27
Your Honor, I'm not, You know, I'm no like, I heard that he is in the Siri's and the fact is like, he basically came out and he said to the producers, like, What do you interviewing before you? And I guarantee that you are you interviewing me for the fact that you want me to make this puff piece for Jordan and be like exactly that? He didn't want to be a funded, and that's why he didn't get review.
00:38:47
That's why you need to interview because he thought it was a puff piece.
00:38:50
He's like, I don't want to be a part of a puff for George, But they told him that's what happened.
00:38:54
They told him that it wasn't a puff piece in his mind.
00:38:57
He thought it was telling you I listened to this last week, but you're still gonna get like you're going to get the end of working to those giant Siri's, you know? Um curse championship game winning shot we're gonna see.
00:39:09
We're gonna obviously see.
00:39:10
You know, I want to know what Michael was thinking in those last 41 seconds that he took over in game six and 98 to win the finals on.
00:39:19
And then, like you said, like, what happens when the season's over? You gotta think I want to see you to think that some degree, that even though he said if you go 80 to know you're gonna get five, feel that you just want your six championship In eight years that I've been the back across the money should be like, ****.
00:39:32
Should I really keep this thing together? You know, So I'd like to see how kind of it all, actually, you know what the closure asked me, or maybe more.
00:39:39
Maybe more flu footage like, let's see, like how to how bad it actually Waas like, you know, like leading up to that If they were in there, I mean, they definitely had cameras on them all day like they had to know, Like how he was all day.
00:39:52
So I mean, we'll definitely see like we knew we had the flu like, Let's just see how bad that flew.
00:39:57
Waas.
00:39:58
Uh, but yeah.
00:40:00
I mean, like I said, like, this has been a fantastic journey.
00:40:03
I'm happy that they brought this.
00:40:04
Uh, they brought it out when they when they did, right, instead of waiting until June, I mean, yeah, I mean, bowling.
00:40:10
I said, I still agree, though, that if LeBron was playing in the finals and they were doing the Jordan do***entary earlier that night, that would've been awesome.
00:40:17
Because I have an awesome I mean, I mean, does is the NBA's the worst schedulers in the world like we have a Tuesday ah, Sunday.
00:40:27
The finals is the worst they got.
00:40:28
Like sometimes, too two games, two off days between games.
00:40:33
Sometimes you put on the try will Day.
00:40:35
It should only be one off day.
00:40:36
You know what I mean? And I actually wanted it like before.
00:40:39
We like we break off.
00:40:40
It's kind of like a side.
00:40:41
No.
00:40:42
Like if if the n b a season happens, is there any excuse if they operate in the playoffs that we shouldn't see players playing like 40 42 minutes a game? I don't think they'll be in any kind of physical shape to be doing that.
00:40:56
I mean, why? Because I have a plane fashionable.
00:41:00
Yeah, it was everyone just a couple months, and that's another thing.
00:41:03
And that's another thing.
00:41:04
That's a good point, mark, Like there was no days off for Jordan when he played in those 82 games.
00:41:09
Seasons like there was no such thing as 96 from 96 to 98.
00:41:15
Those final three years you played a maximum 304 out of 304 games.
00:41:18
That's my wasn't there was no often.
00:41:20
There's no load management.
00:41:22
I know it's so like that's me at some point, becomes unsustainable.
00:41:25
What we know about the athletes and what we know about the way he kept.
00:41:29
We dealt with his help like they would drank.
00:41:31
He smoked cigars like that seems harder, but that's more for Jordan like that's another good argument for the or not. John is going.
00:41:40
He was smoking and drinking was a way of championships.
00:41:43
As as a baseball fan, like the one player that I respect the most in all of baseball history's Cal Ripken.
00:41:48
I think that I am and record where he played So I think it was 3500 consecutive something games or whatever it was.
00:41:55
Maybe I'm like, Maybe it's that I'm a little over the top on that amount, but like to show up every day for your job, and that's with anything in life like that.
00:42:05
Availability is your best asset when you're there for your team every day and you're putting your body on the line and you're playing the minutes you're playing like that speaks volumes to know, especially like for Jordan.
00:42:16
Like what he said when he was like, You know, he was playing all those games in a row.
00:42:19
He tried to play every chance he could unless he was really, really, really hurt.
00:42:23
He could it, because his decline was there was always going to be somebody in the stands watching that had never seen him play before.
00:42:29
That he wanted to put on a show for the so they could see who the real Michael Jordan was and how he played live and person what that experience was like.
00:42:36
You just don't see that nowadays.
00:42:38
I mean how many games they collide miss at the beginning of the season.
00:42:41
This year, is missing like every other game.
00:42:43
Listen and then you like primetime games were on national TV, where you think you would want to be a part of the showcase yourself.
00:42:50
You know, it's different. Just different maladies.
00:42:52
Yeah, I mean that these these guys know that they're gonna make the playoffs like that.
00:42:57
The MBA is so top heavy that, like you already can basically map out who's going to be in the Eastern Conference Western Conference finals every year before the season, even starts.
00:43:08
And taking games off during the regular season is just doesn't matter.
00:43:13
But that's like just kind of an indictment on the league today and just mawr of why Michael Jordan should be appreciated just for not only him being the best of all time, but him just being an Ironman.
00:43:26
Like I mean, I just I just think it's insane, knowing the amount of hits and the attention that he got before the Games and even after the game started, like how mentally draining that was to be able to show up every night and be able to still do his job and at the highest level.
00:43:43
So alright, alright, guys will appreciate you guys for joining us on this on this live stream, everybody that's trying us on Twitter, Michigan.
00:43:53
Give us a follow you can see below both mine and Steve's handles.
00:43:57
We do have a new YOUTUBE channel to make sure you subscribe to that as well.
00:44:00
If it's a great hoops contact, we already got a couple of videos up.
00:44:03
This will be up there as well.
00:44:05
Um, and then get ready for the last dance we're excited for.
00:44:09
I hope you guys enjoy it.
00:44:10
And we'll be back with a podcast episode later this week with the review episode of the last two episodes of the last Dance.
00:44:17
Because I say one more thing.
00:44:19
Yeah, go ahead.
00:44:21
Quick.
00:44:22
Now is just because something happened.
00:44:23
I will just the way the world is and how everything works if you haven't talked to somebody in a long time.
00:44:29
But you always found that they were a good person, you know, sent him a text message saying Hello.
00:44:34
You know, check on people every once in a while, you know, we get We were gonna weird world now.
00:44:38
And you know the last thing you want to do is regret like you know, like not talking to somebody for a long time for no apparent reason, like you know.
00:44:45
Oh, simple text.
00:44:46
Hello.
00:44:47
How are you? You know, one of the best things you could do is go through your text message, feed and go all the way.
00:44:51
Scroll all the way to the bottom of your text messages. Squeak, feed.
00:44:54
And that was last couple of feeds those of the people you haven't talked to in a while.
00:44:58
Click that and just say, Hey, how you doing? It'll make their day.
00:45:01
And it could really help out somebody get absolutely agree.
00:45:04
Alright, guys, we'll see you next time, okay?
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a question that I had put out there on a Twitter poll yesterday.
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A few guys who didn't see it.
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The question was, basically, could the Chicago Bulls have won eight straight championships? Had Michael Jordan not retired for the first time? Ah, without to play baseball.
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So, um, the poll ended up coming back.
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43% said no, they wouldn't have one in.
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57% said yes, they would have.
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Ah, tired vice versa.
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57 said they wouldn't have one in.
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43% said they wouldn't have one.
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And Steve, um also said they were never won. So I'm gonna go first.
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I'm gonna say, I think that they could have won eight.
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You know, I mean, yeah, I want to say I go I want to say hello first got you could go in top in Just wait.
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Just wait to the people.
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This is why we need, like, a Molly care, you know, like somebody like, bring us both in together and said Yes.
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Although Molly carom, she's like he's like, you know, how many Maxim Stephen a look at How do they when she cuts him off their like, just shot up lady.
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Well, im talking and making my point.
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I mean, they have so much respect for Joe and Rose.
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They better fallen gold mine.
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Hey, we can get 1/3 person in their lives.
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So if anybody out there wants to be on Molly Choir and let us know, um, so anyways, um, for me, I think that they definitely could have won eight straight championships.
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And the way I proposed a question on the way I'm looking at it was that if you had everything from, um when he retired that 94 95 season, everything that happened in the MBA, if it all stayed the state as far as players uncertain teams, the Rockets coming out of the West free and see all the stuff that goes in injuries, everything stayed the same in those two seasons.
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If you just plugged Michael Jordan into the rubber boats, could they have won the championship those two years? Um, And for me, that's a yes.
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I think they could have for sure.
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Um, those years, if you look at the ah, just let's just leave the west out of it.
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Let's just say that rockets already there in the finals.
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Those two years for the West like that happens already.
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I'm looking at it as the Bulls, um, getting Tony Crew coach to be his first year.
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We know how that played that season.
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We know the way Pippen was playing in the way Horace Grant and B J.
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Armstrong, just the team as a whole, was playing.
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I mean, they won 55 games that year without MJ, so plug them in and I could see him going over 60 wins.
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Um, and then you look at the competition in the Eastern Conference that year.
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You have the Atlanta Hawks, a Z, the one seed with Mookie Blaylock and Stacey Augmon.
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And, ah, Dominique was still on that team.
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But I was.
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It was way past his prime. Kevin Willis.
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I'm he was older.
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You had the magic with Shaq impending, but they were still young learning how to win.
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They had just come together, um, the necks, of course, which always at the one of the Bulls side that they place a complex series, Um, and then the Pacers, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and all those guys.
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So those are probably the top teams in the East at that point, um, and I just I think the Bulls could have, you know, all those things.
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I think they could have made it to the finals.
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They've proven that over the years I think they could handle, um, they could handle the Knicks.
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They could handle the Pacers.
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They proved going on when they got a full season that they could handle the magic.
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A couple years later, they took care of the magic that actually swept on get a full year.
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So you get that team and they're playing Penny in chat kind in their fresh air together.
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Um, you know, I think they could have beat from other say anything could happen.
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But I think the Bulls had the makings of a team that could have made it back to the finals on.
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And if they made the finals going against the Rockets? Um, I came, I think what he gave the work business came.
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There was nobody on the Bulls eye could that could handle Hakeem.
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But there's also nobody on the Rockets that could have handled Michael Jordan or the rest of the Bulls team, for that matter.
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You know, the Rockets and Sam Cassell.
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Mario? Really? Robert Ory.
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The second time they had Clyde Drexler, they brought here, man.
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Clyde was past his prime there.
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Michael already took care of Clyde in 92 with the Trail Blazers.
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So, um, you know for me, do I think it would have happened? Probably not, but it's hard to sustain that level of success for so long.
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But could it have happened? Definitely.
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I think it's a very high chance that it definitely could have happened.
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Well, the first score.
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But I'm good. Okay.
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Thank you, Molly.
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Anyway, still, I just want a first state that I thought this was just an awful question.
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And I think it's a stupid question because, like, I'm gonna throw hypotheticals in there.
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And I know you don't want me through hypotheticals in there, but we'll start off with, however you want to turn the question.
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That's fine.
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No, no, we'll start off what we know about the end of the first threepeat.
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OK, so thing they rally against the Knicks, the whole gambling allegation happens that sends that that turns toe weight on the shoulder.
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We saw how lethargic Jordan was after the 92 Olympics.
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They go toe a Game six against Phoenix, which they arguably could have lost.
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That could of went seven because he could have had that play a Game seven in Phoenix, which they might not have won that game.
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And then it's time.
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Others say you're saying could have, but we know that that didn't happen.
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They won three championships.
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I understand that.
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But my point is like we start like how close that team was toe not completing that threepeat, all right? And so they move on to 94 his dad dies.
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All the controversy with the gambling aspects fall into place.
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So we already know, like how bewildered he was going into the end of that year, and then you put all of that extra pressure on him going into that next season.
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It's kind of hard to think that that wouldn't have hurt him at least and that team camaraderie going into that year with all that extra baggage, you have the rockets that were on the come up.
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You already store that there was beginning to have some *** in their armor.
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I definitely believe that they definitely want rattled off eight in a row and I think that we can kind of, like, pinpoint 93 as a big issue going into that season.
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Now, like you said, like talent aside, if that just played and everything stayed the same, would they have been there? No doubt they probably would have gone back to the Western Conference finals.
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Wear and tear, no matter what.
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I do think that the powers that be, though, say that down the line if we played 1/4 a 5th 1/6 season consecutively like that would have eventually caught up to that team and where the hypotheticals come in.
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So you're saying that they could you? So you're saying when they got to the second threepeat, like maybe they win for Maybe they win five in a row, but definitely not 67 and eight? No, I like When I answered your question on Twitter, I basically said, I think the 2nd 3 p happened because the layoff was actually a good thing, allowed Jordan to get readjusted to where he needed to be playing baseball.
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It gave him a break to finally come back.
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We saw that like yes, like they were a little bewildered in 95 against Orlando.
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But my point to you was they were missing Horace at that point, and they expressed how big Horace Grant was to that team and how they didn't have that inside presence.
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And that probably would.
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It took a lot more pressure off him in that Siri's if the rosters were flipped.
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So we already know that Jordan, the Jordan Rules book came out.
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So we already know Forest was creating animosity.
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We already know Crouse's crate creating a power struggle between the team.
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So, in my assuming horse grants on the magic in 95 can I can I assume that happened? Yeah, because I had it because I had that you're going all right because I had everything staying the same.
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So whatever ended up happening happens.
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All right, so, you know, you do.
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I scenario, all you're doing is just taking that Bulls squad at and Michael Jordan.
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Eight seasons is a long time with those away.
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Those seasons were running to say that they could sustain that accents, and I My point was that maybe they do win 1/4 or fifth championship, but after a while that wool is gonna come no matter what so maybe that ends up hurting the legacy in year, six year, seven year eight.
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Maybe Denis Robin never makes his way to that team, because in that, in their aspect of it, they probably don't even look for him because they don't really even need him.
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What, they're still winning.
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Maybe Phil Jackson's forced out two years earlier because Crouse's like six championships by 96.
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Well, we don't need to go on and have these two more championships.
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Maybe Jordan turns around and says, I'm ready to go play baseball now and I never want to come back because let's be realistic.
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If that player strike never happens in that 94 95 season, that idea might never crossed his mind.
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Ever come back? I don't know.
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He said things He said things.
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Would he, even even before that, straight like I don't think the strike was like.
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And maybe that was the icing on the cake.
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But he had already talked much of teammates about coming back and playing again.
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He even told called B J.
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Armstrong and said, Hey, man, the league is looks a little a little warded down in those two seasons because they had just cried.
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Some expansion teams put in, so they were expansion years.
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He's like, I think this might be a chance to steal a couple of championships.
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You know, I think you planning on coming back regardless of the lock of Wen.
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But Wen, because if he turns around in 94 95 has a great baseball campaign, the idea is if he's getting better and we know how goal oriented he is, he might have said to himself, Well, now my goal is to honor my father and make it to the major leaks like maybe that ends up being the agenda.
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So if we just put it back and say he played, he s So what? Spend the question as to say, baseball never crosses his mind.
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, that's we don't question that's the question like baseball would never have come into play.
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Ever wants to leave? Yeah, he might eventually do it, but just knowing the person that he was, how tough he was to play with knowing that his relationships on his team weren't really bonded together.
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It's hard for me to say that at some point they would have hit a wall.
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And if they hit a wall like, how would the landscape of that team would have changed from that point forward? So, yeah, I guess, like you can say, like, talent aside like, Yeah, they were good.
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But I mean, we saw the finals that he played in.
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If he's going Year six against Seattle, maybe he's really not up for that.
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Siri's at that point.
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Maybe way by times he plays the Jazz.
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Maybe.
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I mean, if George Karl, if George Karl still walks past him at the restaurant, doesn't say hi.
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Yeah, he's gonna be he's gonna be up for that series.
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You know what I mean? Is this guy just Michael Jordan has never not been up for a vegetable.
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Never mind a playoff.
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Siri's.
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He's never not been for a basketball game.
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I'll give you a story that I heard that Reggie Miller actually told Reggie Miller's work. You season.
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They're playing a preseason game and ah, Michael Jordan and is obviously a veteran now in the league, so he's kind of going young through the motions and everything like that, and it's It's preseason and Reggie's going.
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Adam and Reggie's got out scores of attended to in the first half and he's talking.
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He's talking trash to MJ is like You're not getting Dr Michael is a God.
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There's a new kid in town.
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Well, but Michael comes out in that second half and outscores regiment of 44 to 2 and second half of that game because he just found ways to and himself look for any type of game.
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If he's in a final, Siri's doesn't I don't care how much you know he's he's her injured are, um, not playing well or he will find a way to get himself motivated.
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He's had bad games and finals before.
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They were talking about that Seattle Siri's.
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He only averaged 23 24 game, which is way below his average of over 30 for the playoffs.
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But he found ways to win, and he found Ways Toe have big games in big moments.
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I don't think that changes.
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I don't think his mentality changes.
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Knowing what you know about Michael Jordan, why, why would his mentality change? It never has.
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Maybe, but it doesn't have to be his mentality.
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It could have been the pieces around him that could have changed after a while like that.
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That whole, like the shenanigans thing in the Fiqh, the fake drama and all that stuff could have been played out like Scott.
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We talked about the other day.
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Like like that team works because Scotty gets paid $2 million a year in in this day and age like the n B A.
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They run four year contracts with opt outs after the third there.
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And those contracts contracts are all max money.
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So at some point you have to assume that, like there was going to be a little bit of a power struggle.
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I know that this is a nice hypothetical, But knowing what we know about sports and what we know about egos and what we know about that organization in general, we know that there would have been something that would have probably found its way to derail that team at some point.
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And to think I mean, we all know sort right? We almost sort of 98 right? What? Scotty not taking the surgery and and Michael calling him selfish and stuff like that.
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But even if there was a day, you ask those guys, Those guys still like this? You know what I mean? So I don't know.
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How bad could it have caused any issues in the locker room? Because I think when you get to sit back for 10 15 years and you kind of let it digest like they said like it was all worth it.
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But in that moment, you kind of have to think to yourself like, Well, you know, championships are great legacies.
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You don't really think about legacy that the Bulls the Bulls had in 98.
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Like what we're seeing with the last.
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If they had one of the most dramatic seasons that there waas in 98 True, in 1988? Yeah, exactly.
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Internally with the owner.
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And tell him the best coach in NBA history that if he goes 82 no, it doesn't matter.
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He's not coming back, Scotty, you know not.
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Take not you don't want oh, **** up with some hard to get surgery early and not coming back to help M.
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J. And the Bulls start that season.
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You had Rodman midseason saying he had to go to Vegas.
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You just had to leave the team and go on a hiatus to do what he had to do, like all this internally in the locker room, could have affected them very negatively.
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And they showed that they can withstand all that and still win a champions.
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Yeah, but the difference was they all knew at that point that that was it.
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The Swan song was 98.
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They titled The Last Season Last Dance, which were watching.
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Now, that's why the do***entary is where this is so like there.
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I think from a perspective standpoint, they all knew it was coming to an end, so they needed to lock in the need to hang on.
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They needed to do whatever they need to do.
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But we're trying to put ourselves in the 94 95 situation when if they're going to keep playing and they're never gonna think, like all right, next year's the next year's it.
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Like when doesn't like that trip actually end up playing? Because we saw the chip didn't play until, like he came back, they lost Orlando, and then he came into that that summer being like, Well, I'm gonna keep playing basketball.
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Then I better make sure that I'm ready to go this year.
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
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That Michael Jordan that you get at the beginning of the season is the Michael Jordan.
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You're gonna get No.
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94 95.
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But remember, like to get away from that controversy at the end of the 93 season, he needed to go play baseball and go start something new.
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If he goes to 94 his dad dies.
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The gambling, the gambling birds start chirping in thinking that it's a Mafia hit and and that kind of leak put tunes itself Dude like, it's kind of hard to think that, like, emotionally, that wouldn't just drained him.
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And it's hard to make that like maybe year four.
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They don't end up just losing because, like, there's a lot on this point at that moment.
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So no one would, you know, like know what? You know what, like in 94 this because we're like, on 93 Michael Jordan is the best player in the world, and I you could say that all you want, but we don't know what that kind of adversity would have been like for him if he went into that season, and I'm trying to see way know anything about Michael.
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He would have went into the season.
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It just ordered his father and trying to win another championship.
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No, not not.
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Why would he not have done that? Pete decides that he wants to play basketball.
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He's gonna go give it 100% for his father.
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Listen, listen, we can play this whole Michael Jordan game.
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He could average 50 points in that 94 season, but everybody else needs to fall in life.
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And the fact of the matter is that team they worked.
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That makes it to the semifinals in 94.
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But I think a lot had to do with the fact that they were so new and we talked about it with the Celtics with no Garnett like that team still knew how to play together.
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I don't think, and we already know the Eastern Conference was trash.
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I think it was easy enough for them to be able to make a Game seven the semifinals and and that would have been it.
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But the team fell in line in 91 92 or 93.
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The tear fell in line.
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They were able to win championships you're just getting that team into another season.
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That team was similar.
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You still have words. Grant B.
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J. Armstrong pipping.
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You're adding Ku.
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Coach Coach got brought over.
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Obviously, God, you're making a team already. Better.
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You're making them better.
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But you don't know like how the egos of that team would have worked.
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We already knew Scotty was upset that Tony Crew coach or rookie was gonna be making three times as much money.
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We although we already sore how already sore.
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How Phil trying to phase Scotty out in moments of that playoffs because in his head.
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And we can kind of like, kind of pointed out that he didn't see Scotty out.
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He didn't try to play for no, but it wasn't purposely to phase them out.
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It was a strict basketball decision that that play was better than any player that they could have drawn up because I had worked multiple times before.
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Michael Jordan's on that team.
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No, in 94 does that play get drawn up for Tony Ku coach? No, because Michael go to a different place was likely.
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But that's the point that I'm trying to make you talked about last time Scotty can't catch a shoot.
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Michael, can I know that? But in that year, Scott, he was like, This is gonna be my team.
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Like my I'm going to get the MJ moments now.
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And that's not the way that that team operated like that team operated, which was whatever they need to do.
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To win a game like that was the best way to do it.
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But the fact of the matter is like that can only get you so far in a season, you can have a good regular season.
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We've seen it with bad Celtics teams where, like teams with Isaiah, like they could have a good regular season.
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But when you get them, they're the ones.
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They're the one seed, right? And then change.
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Yeah, but guess what If they don't? If the Bulls with rage on Rondo, it doesn't get hurt like they might lose that first round series.
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The Chicago, after dropping those two.
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And my point is like when you start a beer, when you're able to prepare for a team without Michael Jordan in the playoffs, like you're most likely gonna be able to take care of them in seven games which we saw.
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Now you add Michael Jordan, that equation and all those hypotheticals and how everything could have possibly changed eight championships in a row.
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Like, I think, after a while, Jordan, What hit a wall and just said, Well, six in a row is good here.
00:18:49
Let's just stop it And then I hope e Yeah, I don't know.
00:18:53
I just just to the competitors that he is like he always went to every game wanted when I don't think there's a point where you just like let's flip the switch and turn it off like if he's committed to the game.
00:19:01
Obviously, with real time like he committee is a committed players to the game, then you're going to get his old a long time.
00:19:10
He's committed, but we have to really think about what everybody else been committed to.
00:19:15
And everybody wasn't as all in as he always was.
00:19:18
And as we have seen like that, that roster did change.
00:19:22
If they're not always all in at some point, yeah, but even the grievance see, now it is right in the league.
00:19:28
Now it is no matter how much Chicos on a locker room of between players, like even with the Warriors is the crap that went on between Katie and Durant.
00:19:36
Like you sweep that under the bus because you know you're on a championship level team.
00:19:42
If you're a player, regardless of issues, if you know you're on, the team that's able to win a championship will be competitive for a championship.
00:19:48
You said everything assigned.
00:19:49
You go to work and you get that job.
00:19:50
That's not happening.
00:19:52
That's a terrible.
00:19:53
That's a terrible example, because you had Kevin Durant coming to a team that was already the best in the league, and you're taking the second way towards each other on that team.
00:20:03
Yeah, but you're taking the second best player in the world, adding it to a team that went 73 9 And, yes, they could take all the embassy.
00:20:09
But when Kevin Durant signs that contract, everybody knows why he's coming there.
00:20:14
It's for Train, so it can actually work with the second best player in the world.
00:20:17
But Michael Jordan at the time, who is the best part of the world that couldn't work for him because no, because the difference is like that's his team, right.
00:20:25
Like you're not.
00:20:26
You're not adding Kevin Durant back onto a Warriors team that sucked or gotten eliminated in the semi finals.
00:20:33
The other four, like you're adding Kevin Durant onto a team that lost in Game seven to LeBron after being down 31 And we didn't talk about this like Draymond maybe not get suspended for that game. Five.
00:20:44
Maybe.
00:20:45
Maybe the Warriors wrap that up in five games.
00:20:46
Maybe LeBron never gets that championship.
00:20:48
That suspension never happens, but if he doesn't get that championship that we never have the Jordan Jordan LeBron debate.
00:20:56
But But what pathetically we're coming back.
00:20:58
But when we're coming back to it, to compare Kevin Durant like that doesn't make any sense because that guy's already that came, ruined the league like like they didn't even have to have.
00:21:10
They didn't have to be nice to each other.
00:21:11
They just need to go out there and ball.
00:21:13
We just want to show you how hard it is.
00:21:14
So, like how hard it is, the three people right like that couldn't have been as good as that seem was it couldn't even do a threepeat, you know, But knowing everything you know about like you trying to say that that is not fair.
00:21:25
That's not fair because injury hurt them.
00:21:28
If that team was healthy versus Toronto, they rolled Toronto.
00:21:31
But that's still not a three peat, is it? That would have been a three peat.
00:21:34
Yeah, because they wanted 16 17.
00:21:36
That's right. It was one of 69 17.
00:21:38
They would have three feet of no problem.
00:21:39
Like there's serious.
00:21:41
There's 0% chance with the Toronto Raptors would have beak that I don't care how good Leonard is.
00:21:48
Fun, healthy Kevin Durant, like that team rules them like No doubt like that. That's ridiculous.
00:21:57
Like, Come on, I don't best what you were saying.
00:22:01
Dude, let's not talk about Call our but I can't stand collar ****ing in Qatar.
00:22:06
That's your boy.
00:22:09
Anyways, like we were saying before that, you were saying, How about Michael's players not be committed in the 94 season or whatever 95 season.
00:22:16
Like watching the last dance.
00:22:17
You can clearly see that even though Michael is an *******, he gets the best out of his players, and you even have his former players say, like will produce.
00:22:25
I know that your boy will produce.
00:22:26
You can't help but bring up Will Perdue.
00:22:28
Well, for do Horace Grant, even co**** grain.
00:22:31
Even Steve Kerr.
00:22:32
All these guys that said Yeah, it was Michael an *******.
00:22:35
Yeah, but did it help us? Yeah, like, did we fall in line? Yeah, we did.
00:22:39
We did what we had to do to win.
00:22:40
What makes you think that would have changed? Because I'm not saying that they wouldn't have gotten back to the point of where they needed to get to, but to know, like, how close those finals actually were after Actually watching those back in those highlights and saying to ourselves like Do the 93 finals wasn't even that close like it went six games, but Jordan averaged 40 some points that Siri's like the Jazz.
00:23:02
Siri's 97 98 went six games.
00:23:04
Was that serious? Close? A six game Siri's isn't necessarily Ah, close Siri's look at that.
00:23:10
Look at the scores in those games and stuff like that.
00:23:13
I mean, come on.
00:23:15
First off, we store how Charles Barkley came out and said that Game one, that team wasn't ready and kind of break reminisced about Jordan's first finals.
00:23:23
Exactly. It was over after Game one.
00:23:25
OK, but we're talking about a Game six where they're down four with 40 seconds left and it takes a Paxton three toe win that game.
00:23:37
And if that doesn't happen, we're going to Game seven in Phoenix with all the momentum for Phoenix and what it would have been Jordan's first riel game. Seven Tests.
00:23:47
And we saw.
00:23:48
Like we said, like we saw how bewildered he was by that point, so and then and then go back and we watched the Jazz.
00:23:54
Siri's like those Jazz series were a lot closer than people give us credit for.
00:23:58
I mean, through the Bulls.
00:24:01
The Bulls of John Stockton has the shot in Game six that we're gonna say the Bulls pick the Jazz by 40 earlier.
00:24:07
No, in the flu game of John Stockton goes to the line.
00:24:10
It's two free throws like he normally does an 86% ball shooter.
00:24:13
I like that game might go over that and 90 seven, but still that Siri's went six games, right? That sort of stuff was this guy that was Game five.
00:24:22
Like if the Jazz steal Game five, then all of a sudden you're going seven, and we saw how close Game six was at that point.
00:24:29
So like I said, like there was some close call.
00:24:32
Steve Kerr bailed amounts of second time.
00:24:34
Michael got bailed out, right? Steve ever.
00:24:35
Sorely.
00:24:36
George Karl made a serious mistake by not putting Gary Pete on Jordan until Game four, and we start like that.
00:24:41
Siri's did get a little tighter.
00:24:43
So if you haven't even that Series two like if you're you know this man, this is just like common sense.
00:24:49
Can you see this throughout the history of sports in any kind of seven games? Serious? If Europe 30 on a team, which team is gonna come out and play harder in game for the team that's on three over the team? That's down 30 I mean, if you got Michael Jordan or center urgency, more sense urgency.
00:25:07
I mean, you got a team that's down three.
00:25:09
Now I get yourself trying to close a Siri's out, but that's just how it works.
00:25:12
Marked, literally happened, fiery.
00:25:14
What's history tell you about teams that go three on a Siri's? They win almost every time.
00:25:19
Okay, so if you're that team in your down three Oda.
00:25:22
Michael Jordan in a Siri's.
00:25:24
Odds are you're not too confident that you're gonna come back in that Siri's.
00:25:28
No, But you're not gonna lay down.
00:25:30
You're not gonna lay down on the way.
00:25:34
Yeah, but if I'm the Bulls, I'm feeling pretty confident that I'm probably gonna close out the series and knowing how great they were.
00:25:42
No, I think those Siri's getting stretched showed me something that I mean, we weren't seeing sweeps like the Warriors just did.
00:25:48
We're not seeing those kinds of Siri's that name or like those Siri's went six games like could've went seven multiple times like you have a look at the teams.
00:25:55
So two with the Warriors of Prepare the team that LeBron is like the crabs.
00:25:59
The promise just two seasons ago.
00:26:02
Look at the difference we teams.
00:26:03
But even then I used the bull to read the Jazz earlier that serious by 40 something points.
00:26:08
Look at the Celtics serious that championship in 2008 Game six. The clincher.
00:26:12
What they want by 40 something.
00:26:14
I mean, it was the norm, saying it was a beautiful thing.
00:26:17
Happy about what happened? What happened in game four of which shares that Celtic series.
00:26:24
Yeah, Yeah, that's the word that is at the l A game, they were down by 27 points and they came back.
00:26:29
Okay, so think about that for a second.
00:26:31
They lose that game.
00:26:33
That's a different Siri's.
00:26:35
The Celtics turn around and get 27 back and make that historic comeback.
00:26:39
If I'm on the other side and I go up 31 that's years over, right? We're talking hypotheticals again.
00:26:47
Held. That's a hell.
00:26:48
The momentum swing right there happens.
00:26:49
You can hypothetical anything you could always say.
00:26:52
Well, what if this way of looking at what actually happened there? But if you're gonna implicate a guy into a 94 95 season that wasn't there until the last third part of the 95 season, which didn't work, you have to have the hypotheticals like you have to understand that late.
00:27:09
Just because, like the teams are the same anyplace in the beginning, doesn't mean that you would never know what will happen.
00:27:15
Testicles are like, you know, you're at an MJ to the Bulls, but you don't know in the question.
00:27:21
You know that you're the bulls are getting NJ.
00:27:23
You don't know anything else is gonna happen in the league.
00:27:26
So I mean that today is a tough question.
00:27:28
Answer. We all know that.
00:27:29
No, it's not a tough question.
00:27:30
Answer.
00:27:31
Because you already know the animals It is.
00:27:32
There's no definitive answers, not like a definite no, they wouldn't have won those championships.
00:27:36
I mean, the history of history.
00:27:37
Odds tell you that, like a teams probably knocking teams weren't that good.
00:27:41
The teams in the league were not that good that at that time I just rattle them off the Hawks with a one seed in 94 with Milky Play Lock and Stacey Augmon there.
00:27:53
And like I said, like I don't want to bring a lot LeBron Jordan argument into it.
00:27:57
But you were chastising LeBron for who he had to play.
00:28:01
I know I agree with it.
00:28:02
I agree that LeBron's error wasn't that good either.
00:28:05
I didn't think so.
00:28:06
I think Jordan's is better, but I don't think they were good enough either.
00:28:08
Like, I think the Knicks, now the Knicks of the 94 95 would give those calves teams or would be in the Eastern Conference finals would be the second best team in the East, Kind of actually, the same as they were this in 94 Um, saying I mean, we already so regression in 93 they weren't the best team in the regular season.
00:28:27
No, they weren't the best team in their conceded, but they're really good team.
00:28:29
It's a strong physical team, you know, they always they play very, very well.
00:28:33
And that ever it's different, though, like in that era, if LeBron's going to the basket.
00:28:36
Patrick Ewing's point about his ads.
00:28:39
I mean, I'm doing.
00:28:40
I mean, we got Charles Oakley coming out saying the reason why the Knicks stunk was because Patrick Ewing so, like why we wear the healthy basketball play like we're gonna believe Charles Oakley.
00:28:50
Come on, you've seen Patrick Ewing play basketball.
00:28:53
You think he's actually the real reason why the Bulls by the Knicks gonna be the Bulls? Are you coming a trip the big oak tree right now, like you're telling me that Michael Jordan.
00:29:03
I mean, let's be real like Charles Oakley Coakley's office because he can't go back to Madison Square Garden.
00:29:07
He got kicked out the light, so he's ****ed just come with.
00:29:11
Patrick knew it was coming out.
00:29:13
Patrick units coming out.
00:29:14
All the Knicks players, he's coming out.
00:29:15
The Knicks organization is mad.
00:29:16
All I know is Patrick Ewing's not a winner, and we're seeing it as at Georgetown because we all know he's not a winner.
00:29:22
But he's a good basketball player is not the reason why they lost.
00:29:26
I mean, what are you talking about? You need what? When didn't Patrick Ewing missile? Why don't been layup to cost his team a playoff series? Which playoff series against the Bulls sorely age is just a place, you know, it's the Pacers.
00:29:43
Okay, so they lost a serious because of him.
00:29:44
But I'm just saying he's not.
00:29:45
We're talking about when they played the Bulls.
00:29:47
I think it was the week you think Patrick Ewing Hall of Fame sent tragic Ewing multiple time All Star was the weak link on the next team.
00:29:57
Do I think he was the week? Listen like, can we agree that or that they lost the series because of him? Can we can we agree that great players have found ways to shrink up in the biggest moments that matter the most Yeah.
00:30:11
I mean, we agree that Patrick Ewing, every time you got to a big moment, he didn't show up.
00:30:17
Just about unless you're talking about.
00:30:18
He took the eight seed next to the final.
00:30:20
So yes, so you took that in seated next to the finals in 99 now that we're getting a short account.
00:30:33
So if they won the title that it wasn't Patrick Ewing that took them to the finals that year, it was Latrell Sprewell and Allan Houston that made that team what they were.
00:30:42
And don't forget Jeff Van Gundy grabbing Alonzo Mourning's leg in that that plastic scrum, those heat Knicks Siri's were walking.
00:30:50
Yes, but like I said, like, the question is a tough, tough, tough one to answer.
00:30:57
I think that just like anything in, like, different hurdles when it happened, and we can keep kind of going back on it, it's not gonna change anything.
00:31:06
Like I said, what I was on your side, like, What would I do? I think it would happen.
00:31:12
No, probably not.
00:31:13
I don't think what happened just to sustain that level of X excellence is art.
00:31:17
If anybody were to do it, do I think it would be Michael Jordan.
00:31:20
Yes, he's obviously the ultimate competitors.
00:31:23
But could it have happened knowing the teams and stuff that, yes, it could have happened.
00:31:27
So all right, so let's just drop bulky goes aside.
00:31:30
Everybody's robots.
00:31:31
Jerry Krause just went Stone face didn't care about anything.
00:31:35
The trying will always stay the same.
00:31:37
Like everybody just did their role.
00:31:39
Like yes, like they probably would have been there.
00:31:42
That's what they probably would have a shot.
00:31:45
But how good, really was that Rockets team? I mean, they were good enough to win a championship.
00:31:50
No, I know I don't back to back championships, but let's look at the players like compared to the players on the Bulls outside of outside of Hakeem, like K's room.
00:32:01
Great player, Really good player.
00:32:04
Good, good defender.
00:32:06
Morrow, Ellen, Robert Horry, Baby Robert or Champion Big shop.
00:32:12
We don't know about Robert Horry.
00:32:13
He just wins seven championships through on Blue Room in there.
00:32:17
Just throw me that.
00:32:18
Maybe he was.
00:32:19
Maybe he was the Jordan stopper.
00:32:20
We didn't even know it never did I tell everybody.
00:32:23
This is a shame that we never got to see that.
00:32:25
Siri's I know what that would have been.
00:32:27
A hell of a series now, like, kind of derailed before we get We get into the episodes tonight.
00:32:33
Um so obviously we're learning that a modern Schade is basically was Michael Jordan's lackey.
00:32:40
And and basically, he did.
00:32:42
He was all doubled.
00:32:43
All the interviews, the personal things And what can I say? One thing really quick.
00:32:47
Just kind of Segway.
00:32:48
Because you brought up Ahmad Rashad for everybody out there.
00:32:51
What time is it right now? Life tonight.
00:32:54
Life stream, dude. Yeah.
00:32:56
6 46 15 minutes Inside the MBA, His back tonight at seven.
00:33:01
That is not Snow Summer Sanders, dear No Summer Sanders.
00:33:04
But you still got mine Who looks like looks amazing Between 70 years old Ahmad Ershad's summer matters Summer Sanders matters.
00:33:12
I know she does.
00:33:13
I was disappointed but what she was doing, who even knows what she's doing nowadays? But the guest they got stopped in them alone is coming on the show.
00:33:22
She's a six unbelievable guests.
00:33:24
So I mean, just as an n b A fan is a basketball fan, but check that out.
00:33:28
So Ahmad Rashad was always the one that took care of Jordan, and we don't want to make a little abroad comparison.
00:33:34
But we kind of Brian with horse.
00:33:38
Okay, Wendy, all these years because all he covers is LeBron from high school.
00:33:43
All the way up like that was his job.
00:33:45
Like he tries to do other things, But it's moral.
00:33:47
It's it's 97%.
00:33:49
LeBron.
00:33:51
We saw a moderate shot go away once Jordan went away.
00:33:54
Just Brian Wind horse.
00:33:55
Just disappear.
00:33:56
When LeBron says I don't want to basketball anymore and he's your old and all of a sudden and they're all defend Wendy just pops up in like a 20 year do***entary from now.
00:34:06
The Cleveland Cavs do***ented of the LeBron James do***ented because I don't know if it's disrespectful to compare Ahmad Rashad T o Brien winners.
00:34:14
But I need that kind of thing with horses.
00:34:16
A good reporter.
00:34:17
But I mean, a modern shot is like you saw the relationship of mine had with players.
00:34:21
I think you're the one you just sent me the video.
00:34:22
We have it shocked when he was playing one on one.
00:34:24
Let me see what you got, big fella.
00:34:26
That's the video.
00:34:27
Everybody's probably seen it Shack dunks on Makes the room glass everywhere.
00:34:31
Yeah, yeah, but don't get that twisted like the first part of that video was all to my right down.
00:34:38
The comment was like a big man you've always seems own all your life while you're playing in the N B A.
00:34:42
Now and then he rises uppity Jay's one and then stopping, taking the whole he takes the ball with the flat top.
00:34:49
You missed them and then they come back now, like people have said like, That's fake like they did that on purpose.
00:34:55
But come on, dude, like you see, a bad shack falls on his back like I don't think a dude he's not doing that on purpose.
00:35:01
He could've heard of.
00:35:02
You're gonna seriously got hurt for the season week.
00:35:04
And is that is that when they made the decision to change the backboards plexiglass Because that wasn't a plexi glass backboard? No, it was probably shows that it was probably shortly after that for in fact, Michael Jordan broke a backboard when Duncan before, too.
00:35:18
If anybody hasn't going on my Twitter page, I've got some Great.
00:35:21
I have that to Kem Bay video when you can be a challenge is Jordan and Jordan.
00:35:25
Then the free throw opposed her early. This so many good things.
00:35:30
But like if you haven't seen that Shaquille O'Neal Ah, moderate shot video like that's an awesome video.
00:35:35
I've never seen that before.
00:35:36
I'm pretty sure that's on my page to definitely go check that out.
00:35:40
Awesome video.
00:35:41
But my question is this.
00:35:42
What do you think? Win horse goes away? No, I mean, I think he still works for ESPN.
00:35:46
Is still an MBA insider.
00:35:48
He so covers a lot of basketball who isn't just for he's obviously liberal. He works for ESPN.
00:35:54
Number one I know is LeBron's guy, but he also covers everything else.
00:35:58
He's got a podcast he's got like he's relevant outside of LeBron James.
00:36:03
No, he's on Lee relevant because of LeBron James.
00:36:06
Think about this like such addicted? No, because what we know what we know about the league's LeBron is the biggest spokesperson.
00:36:14
Ford leak like it wants to play the legal play.
00:36:17
So, like all that information filters down from LeBron for for wind horse to be able to do what he needs to dio when whoever's isn't going out of his way to interview anything.
00:36:25
What I'm sport what I'm saying.
00:36:26
He does report on other things, like you see them again and he doesn't always bring up LeBron James and you talk slow things.
00:36:34
Videos that have fallen asleep.
00:36:36
I like he's tired.
00:36:37
He's out of breath.
00:36:38
That's why they call the line D.
00:36:39
Do what else? What else is doing? He's just waiting for LeBron to text him something, you know? And that's it.
00:36:45
Like a windy.
00:36:46
Make sure you talk about this on your spot on ESPN tonight.
00:36:49
I'm not trying to blow up with Wind horse right now, but the fact of the matter is like him in a moderate shot are the same thing.
00:36:55
And the fact is like it's just another parallel between great players that, like whether it matters or not, it kind of does, I guess.
00:37:02
I don't know. It mattered to me.
00:37:04
It's a matter enough for me to ask.
00:37:06
So before we get off this, just wanna ask you Obviously, we got the last two episodes coming up with the last dance tonight.
00:37:13
What do you looking forward to the most or what kind of expecting out of these last two episodes.
00:37:18
Outside of Like what we know, we obviously know they win the championship and whatnot.
00:37:22
But what do you look forward to the most honestly closure? I want to know if there was any moment at the end of that 98 season, like where there was like, some sort of meeting to say, like, Hey, like, are we really doing this right now? Are we really moving on? Are we really disbanding this right now? Because I don't think that, like that, had what we know about anything, like, There's always got to be some sort of like meeting where they're like we still have a lot of good things.
00:37:51
Are you guys sure that you guys want to do this and go the separate ways so more or less just just closure? I mean, were we already know, like how it ends and like, it's epic.
00:38:01
I'm looking forward to see, like, the inner workings of that piece or Siri's, because that was a fantasy.
00:38:06
That's what I was going to say.
00:38:07
I want to see the inside of the patient's.
00:38:09
Here's what Reggie Bill had to say.
00:38:11
What the players thought, you know, Do they really think they had that serious Also, you know, I don't I think John Stockton's not in this, uh, he declined Teoh be interviewed for the do***entary, so it would be awesome to get his opinion on the Jazz serious.
00:38:27
Your Honor, I'm not, You know, I'm no like, I heard that he is in the Siri's and the fact is like, he basically came out and he said to the producers, like, What do you interviewing before you? And I guarantee that you are you interviewing me for the fact that you want me to make this puff piece for Jordan and be like exactly that? He didn't want to be a funded, and that's why he didn't get review.
00:38:47
That's why you need to interview because he thought it was a puff piece.
00:38:50
He's like, I don't want to be a part of a puff for George, But they told him that's what happened.
00:38:54
They told him that it wasn't a puff piece in his mind.
00:38:57
He thought it was telling you I listened to this last week, but you're still gonna get like you're going to get the end of working to those giant Siri's, you know? Um curse championship game winning shot we're gonna see.
00:39:09
We're gonna obviously see.
00:39:10
You know, I want to know what Michael was thinking in those last 41 seconds that he took over in game six and 98 to win the finals on.
00:39:19
And then, like you said, like, what happens when the season's over? You gotta think I want to see you to think that some degree, that even though he said if you go 80 to know you're gonna get five, feel that you just want your six championship In eight years that I've been the back across the money should be like, ****.
00:39:32
Should I really keep this thing together? You know, So I'd like to see how kind of it all, actually, you know what the closure asked me, or maybe more.
00:39:39
Maybe more flu footage like, let's see, like how to how bad it actually Waas like, you know, like leading up to that If they were in there, I mean, they definitely had cameras on them all day like they had to know, Like how he was all day.
00:39:52
So I mean, we'll definitely see like we knew we had the flu like, Let's just see how bad that flew.
00:39:57
Waas.
00:39:58
Uh, but yeah.
00:40:00
I mean, like I said, like, this has been a fantastic journey.
00:40:03
I'm happy that they brought this.
00:40:04
Uh, they brought it out when they when they did, right, instead of waiting until June, I mean, yeah, I mean, bowling.
00:40:10
I said, I still agree, though, that if LeBron was playing in the finals and they were doing the Jordan do***entary earlier that night, that would've been awesome.
00:40:17
Because I have an awesome I mean, I mean, does is the NBA's the worst schedulers in the world like we have a Tuesday ah, Sunday.
00:40:27
The finals is the worst they got.
00:40:28
Like sometimes, too two games, two off days between games.
00:40:33
Sometimes you put on the try will Day.
00:40:35
It should only be one off day.
00:40:36
You know what I mean? And I actually wanted it like before.
00:40:39
We like we break off.
00:40:40
It's kind of like a side.
00:40:41
No.
00:40:42
Like if if the n b a season happens, is there any excuse if they operate in the playoffs that we shouldn't see players playing like 40 42 minutes a game? I don't think they'll be in any kind of physical shape to be doing that.
00:40:56
I mean, why? Because I have a plane fashionable.
00:41:00
Yeah, it was everyone just a couple months, and that's another thing.
00:41:03
And that's another thing.
00:41:04
That's a good point, mark, Like there was no days off for Jordan when he played in those 82 games.
00:41:09
Seasons like there was no such thing as 96 from 96 to 98.
00:41:15
Those final three years you played a maximum 304 out of 304 games.
00:41:18
That's my wasn't there was no often.
00:41:20
There's no load management.
00:41:22
I know it's so like that's me at some point, becomes unsustainable.
00:41:25
What we know about the athletes and what we know about the way he kept.
00:41:29
We dealt with his help like they would drank.
00:41:31
He smoked cigars like that seems harder, but that's more for Jordan like that's another good argument for the or not. John is going.
00:41:40
He was smoking and drinking was a way of championships.
00:41:43
As as a baseball fan, like the one player that I respect the most in all of baseball history's Cal Ripken.
00:41:48
I think that I am and record where he played So I think it was 3500 consecutive something games or whatever it was.
00:41:55
Maybe I'm like, Maybe it's that I'm a little over the top on that amount, but like to show up every day for your job, and that's with anything in life like that.
00:42:05
Availability is your best asset when you're there for your team every day and you're putting your body on the line and you're playing the minutes you're playing like that speaks volumes to know, especially like for Jordan.
00:42:16
Like what he said when he was like, You know, he was playing all those games in a row.
00:42:19
He tried to play every chance he could unless he was really, really, really hurt.
00:42:23
He could it, because his decline was there was always going to be somebody in the stands watching that had never seen him play before.
00:42:29
That he wanted to put on a show for the so they could see who the real Michael Jordan was and how he played live and person what that experience was like.
00:42:36
You just don't see that nowadays.
00:42:38
I mean how many games they collide miss at the beginning of the season.
00:42:41
This year, is missing like every other game.
00:42:43
Listen and then you like primetime games were on national TV, where you think you would want to be a part of the showcase yourself.
00:42:50
You know, it's different. Just different maladies.
00:42:52
Yeah, I mean that these these guys know that they're gonna make the playoffs like that.
00:42:57
The MBA is so top heavy that, like you already can basically map out who's going to be in the Eastern Conference Western Conference finals every year before the season, even starts.
00:43:08
And taking games off during the regular season is just doesn't matter.
00:43:13
But that's like just kind of an indictment on the league today and just mawr of why Michael Jordan should be appreciated just for not only him being the best of all time, but him just being an Ironman.
00:43:26
Like I mean, I just I just think it's insane, knowing the amount of hits and the attention that he got before the Games and even after the game started, like how mentally draining that was to be able to show up every night and be able to still do his job and at the highest level.
00:43:43
So alright, alright, guys will appreciate you guys for joining us on this on this live stream, everybody that's trying us on Twitter, Michigan.
00:43:53
Give us a follow you can see below both mine and Steve's handles.
00:43:57
We do have a new YOUTUBE channel to make sure you subscribe to that as well.
00:44:00
If it's a great hoops contact, we already got a couple of videos up.
00:44:03
This will be up there as well.
00:44:05
Um, and then get ready for the last dance we're excited for.
00:44:09
I hope you guys enjoy it.
00:44:10
And we'll be back with a podcast episode later this week with the review episode of the last two episodes of the last Dance.
00:44:17
Because I say one more thing.
00:44:19
Yeah, go ahead.
00:44:21
Quick.
00:44:22
Now is just because something happened.
00:44:23
I will just the way the world is and how everything works if you haven't talked to somebody in a long time.
00:44:29
But you always found that they were a good person, you know, sent him a text message saying Hello.
00:44:34
You know, check on people every once in a while, you know, we get We were gonna weird world now.
00:44:38
And you know the last thing you want to do is regret like you know, like not talking to somebody for a long time for no apparent reason, like you know.
00:44:45
Oh, simple text.
00:44:46
Hello.
00:44:47
How are you? You know, one of the best things you could do is go through your text message, feed and go all the way.
00:44:51
Scroll all the way to the bottom of your text messages. Squeak, feed.
00:44:54
And that was last couple of feeds those of the people you haven't talked to in a while.
00:44:58
Click that and just say, Hey, how you doing? It'll make their day.
00:45:01
And it could really help out somebody get absolutely agree.
00:45:04
Alright, guys, we'll see you next time, okay?

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