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We're back at it to talk about the last dance.
Most recent episodes and with Mike from OTR off the record podcast that is always with die.
You'd fellas, before we jump into this, I want to start with this aspect of the most recent episodes.
I think seven and eight, Jordan's win at all costs mentality.
So when we found out what we knew already, that he had punched Steve Kerr.
But, you know, car punches in a chest.
Like the way Jordan Road players, he wouldn't let Horace Grant eat after losses.
I think with the Ducks there people saying that that wouldn't that wouldn't happen today.
And my response is what Jimmy Butler punk like three franchises and no one did anything.
So you think Jordan could get away with that stuff today? Um, Jimmy Butler cook their entire Minnesota Timberwolves.
It's not Michael Jordan.
He also got traded twice, but well, you got traded once, then signed somewhere else.
Um, the Jordan thing.
It couldn't work today, and it shouldn't work.
Today we have ah ah, new emphasis on bullying and schools and golds at work um, you know, me too movement.
There's a lot of stuff going on now where that bullion mentality just not going to fly.
And, you know, as I was watching it, of course we knew the story because we all grew up in the Jordan era.
Um, I was repulsed by it.
His behaviour is just not becoming, and I get it.
He's great with the greatest player ever. I love him.
He's a terrible human being.
No, on that love, um, he doesn't give proper props is due.
He's just not a you know, the leaders that I prefer in love or guys like Magic Johnson where you could still be hard core and right.
But you don't have to try to remove people, try to hurt fillings.
Um, it comes from a very ugly place with my and I know I guess he's competitive.
I guess he he's won a lot so he can get away with stuff.
Um, but someone would.
It today would have pulled up.
I personally think I don't think so.
I mean, I think I don't think he could have got a weight gotten away with now simply because today's players adjust there they are cut from the same court.
So you would have dealt with a lot of players checking out mentally because here's this.
Do riding them like like you brought up Jimmy Butler.
But I look at and it's still on a smaller scale, but somebody that's probably a little more, I guess, respected then Jimmy Butler looking like Chris Paul.
The stories you hear about Chris Paul being hard on his teammates, how that ends up causing friction between in that locker room.
Like from that standpoint, it wouldn't work.
And but, um, I wouldn't call him a horrible human being.
I've said since we've been doing this Siri's and following this doctor, you have to be a certain type of crazy to think and have that mentality.
Um, so it comes.
So obviously it comes off that way, but I do that.
He gave his problem, and I think he met well with the with with what he was doing and the number one thing that he said Waas.
I never asked anybody to do anything that I wasn't going to do right, And I think that's the true true statement of a leader is one thing.
Um Toby own players about doing certain things and then get not practicing what you preach.
And I think ultimately that's what led to the sky, Burrell's and the Will produce and the Steve cars.
And those guys were expecting them because even like, no, you look at what for doing you could tell will for do, has an issue with my But at the end of the day, he still said Joe, he was a great teammate from what his goals were, and that was to win championships.
He called him a jerk and everything, but he was like, But when it came down to what we set out to do, he was a great teammate.
And I think those guys respected that just because what I mean they want.
So made a lot of money.
Yes, it made me a lot of money and they still getting pressed Now, 2030 years later.
Um so your whole basis he will in that makes it okay, so you got to be careful with that mentality because I mean there's pretty of evil people throughout history that have been successful to an extent and done terrible things do they think.
Yeah, but see, I think so.
We're talking about terrible things within the context of sports.
And so he didn't kill anybody.
You know, I'm saying like nobody's die.
You hope in the face with her.
Punched him first.
Steven Parent 6 100 is Here's my Here's my point with Jordan, like I think it was in Kobe's episode Episode five.
Like My Totem, when Kobe was dealing with him in shock, having different ideologies on how to approach winning, Mike told him, No one's gonna judge everybody else's legacy.
They're gonna judge yours.
I see from that perspective with Michael Jordan saying, Okay, there's 10 15 other players on this roster.
If we lose, everyone's looking at me like I'm the failure.
No one cares if Randy Brown didn't win, and so I don't expect you to be able to jump out the gym or hit fade aways like me.
But if I'm gonna be at the gym it to two o'clock in the morning or whatever, then you could give more also.
And I do wonder why.
Why? Why is Jordan criticized when people celebrate people like Bill Parcells and Bobby Knight, who are known still, like, say things, you know, Come on.
They they consider.
You know, it's the same mentality, though.
It's the same mentality.
And you know what? Two things that came out of that first things first, Um, with Mike being like that, you have to realize that Mike and that's extruded who won, like do when he started Now, when the previous came out for this these these past weeks episodes and they showed him crying, I thought for sure it was gonna be when they talked about his dad and it wasn't I mean, he got he got emotional talking about his dad.
But you're the crying part came when they question him as a teammate and how much he wanted toe went like, Yo, that upset him so much.
25 years later, it just, like, crushed his whole psyche.
It was, yeah, it was very demon.
It's like, you know, So listen, you didn't have to be a part of that.
If if I'm if I'm wrong for pushing you to be great did.
Hey, you don't need to be a part of this.
But another thing I took from that as well and then to continue that point.
I think Mike takes it that.
But he took it that personal because that he built that like, people tend to forget the first day early gives when he came in and they were ****ty where they were.
They would college that use 67 and eight seeds.
Yeah, or college team, when he first came in that were that were said to be better than that Bulls franchise.
Oh, he mentioned that, too, in the dock.
Like he really like when the Steve Kurds and then came in.
And that's why he was upset with them, cause he was, like, you know, fill you protecting these dudes, and they come in here because we won ships with Dana Dana part of this.
They haven't won doctor yet.
So so so is like, it was his baby.
I built this, You know what I mean? But the further on my my my main point, that exit from this is and it's perfect.
The perfect platform being on Lake Essential.
Yeah, I hope when the Kobe dot drops that people don't get anything because you're going to see the same thing.
Kobe rode his teammates the same way.
So I hope that they around.
No, no, that's why I don't know.
You see, in the bill of lading, he's hard.
He's hard on his teammates, as most great players are.
But they might try to Yeah, you didn't when he when he was called a staffer, right? For example, of toxic masculinity, not when he was called a Sky Perella hole.
In all of that, you've seen the clip of Kobe and practice when he was called Nolan *****es and you saw the room got heard the rumors from with the Smush and one of them there said you at the game will practice of whatever he made.
That was Nick Young said.
He made him take all UK Kobe speakers are like, you know, it's on the same line, Joe I to be that great at something, you have to have that in you.
You brought up Magic Johnson.
I'm sure magic was the same way, but I think magic situation was a little different.
Magic came into a situation where was ready made.
He had grates on the team, not taking anything away from him, but he didn't have to be that, but once it was time for magic to take over.
I'm sure Magic Road Those dudes like that you saw in the Dream Team practice how he was.
I'm sure that just didn't happen in that practice.
Yeah, right. True, No doubt.
I think it's important for everybody that watches the doctor remember one.
This was the nineties, so mentality was different back then, too.
There's there's two ways to skin a cat, or so they say. I don't know.
I don't like cats, but that's what they say.
And and so, like, Magic did it while smiling on the court.
Right? I'm sure, behind the scenes.
I'm sure there were days when he got in.
People that ask, but Magic smiled.
Jordan didn't Kobe scout, like their approaches to the game was different ultimately, but they're you know, they all of them wanted to win at the highest, highest stakes of the game.
And I think I mean, look, man, if if you're a part of a team and you're whether it's a sports team, an office environment, whatever it is and you know that basically things fail, it's all on you, no matter.
If it wasn't all your fault, I understand why someone like Mike had that mentality.
But I also wonder, like, Okay, if he didn't that Horace Grant eat after a loss, that's all hearts granted.
Checking Michael Jordan.
We went like you can't come out 30 years later and be like, Whoa, this is how you treated us.
You all a grown man to So you know you can't hide behind The nineties were a tough era, but then in practice, we find out that they were being pumped about.
Do this not the biggest guy on the team either.
Like I mean so but the notion that it couldn't happen today I mean, sure, players might get traded at the act like Michael Jordan Day, but Chris Paul was known for riding players.
Jimmy Butler calling me What was the, um, the practice? We teach a call like the worst players on the team and went up against, like, Wiggins and towns and like ****ting on e.
I mean, you know, there's nothing nothing about today's players.
It tells me that they're going all of a sudden, stop practicing, punching do in the face.
Some of them might, but by and large, I don't see like, let's say LeBron was riding Lakers teammates like that.
Who's really gonna step that LeBron I who really is gonna do that? Caruso gripped up, Gripped up? I don't I don't see no like, I don't think people would step to him like in a confrontational way.
But I think you like.
I said you would lose players mentally like they would check. I agree.
You know what I mean by it should check out on the smallest things now, Yeah, it's just the way that they are, like, you know that you know, we have the best player in the world calling you a hole in a ***** like Scott Burrell easily could have cut balled up in the hole and went somewhere like, You can't do this, No, boy.
But you know also about that.
Like, you know, we grew up in the nineties when you played basketball or any sport.
You know, there was a lot of things said on the basketball court, on the football, like back then, people talk like that.
Um, I saying it's right, but like people here, Jordan say those things and it's like, Oh my God, I can't believe he's doing it.
Well, that's through the context of 2020 and 95.
If you any basketball court you stepped on, you were gonna get people cursing at each other, saying crazy things to each other.
Like that was that is exactly what happened.
No, no, it was It was telling, um, in a way, I was actually thinking like, Michael Jordan was the first Tony Soprano, but he's a nut, but he is a He was.
Yeah, why? He was you.
He was He was great.
But I think all the greats have that in, um like like you brought up like he brought up the hoody.
Alex, like he has a win.
It all cause mortality like this one from his film and practices **** out of the ****ing Bangles team that we don't really even need to scowl.
It's a but it's like, you know, it's I have to win.
What did the Astros just get in trouble for? It was inside.
Yeah, it's like, Oh, it is that much you, you know, is that all causes no matter what, and I just think like again, it's a handful of players.
The thing that's coming out of this thing for me is I just keep thinking like, Who is like that? Who has that mindset? Kobe's only one that I today? Yeah, like today.
We I I shot this last week and said, You know, you brought a Russell Westbrook.
Yeah, stuff like that.
But like, you're the only player that I can in recent years that I can think of that has that Michael Jordan all the way through was was was being here.
Do you think about it? But, I mean, I have no problem with it.
Like it gave me chills watching that, watching the practices and stuff like that causes like, I'm sorry.
Can I reiterate something, sir? Let's say your son grows up to be, you know, 67 to 15 is a high flier and jumper.
Okay, I hope so, too.
At least you're free tickets, right? Man's in the night.
You were so talented.
It's only almost way saying that.
90% he got a good place.
Everyone the 90% down with her one e 12 30 any well.
So let's say he has a player like Michael Jordan, his team.
He's played basketball on this team.
What would you say to him how to deal with something like that Now? Yeah.
And see the best player on the team.
Okay, that's what you can do.
That is You gotta wait.
That is how you get away with it.
You can't be the 15 player on the team and act like that, right? And the thing is, is he doing? Is he doing what he asked? Is he doing He's writing you about? Okay, well, that's to do that.
You want to follow? That's the dude that she wanted in practice.
You get so he could make fun of him.
He will punch me.
Those are just words.
I'm not saying Listen, if you punching, punching back, I'm not saying being a little punk.
But I'm saying if if this guy, clearly, if he's trying to make you better, then that's the type of guy that you want to be in.
No, he got cats.
He got a lot of cats pay, like Look, man, you wonder that Bulls team did something Nobody else has done as three p twice.
I mean, and a lot of those guys like you said, like 30 years later, they're still relevant.
And without Jordan, are they? They're not relevant.
And that doesn't mean that he has a right Teoh mentally and verbally or physically abused them.
But I do think if he physically assault you, then you need to fight back.
Like, I think that's just how how that works.
And then, like also, man, if he's getting on you because he's at the gym, he's don't, he needs to do.
But like you're hanging out with groupies all night rather than working on your game, I understand why he might have gotten mad with some of these guys.
Like the funny thing is, you don't hear him talking about Dennis Rodman like that.
No, Here it seems like respect.
Rodman was wild off the corporate, respected him on the court because he knew he was gonna give me his all right.
Like he was gonna run through any wall, get any rebound.
They have a mutual respect it down, feeling I I ****s with him.
He created your or it was one of those things, like, you know, robbing The came out and said, you know, they Scotty, Mike and him, like a Harley they hardly spoke and you have it like they did speak during that year.
All that, all they're talking was on the court court.
That's what it was.
But you know what I mean? Like like you said, it was that respect that I know that I know he going by and I worry about him because you got all you got.
It's the Scott Burrell's that I got arrived because you know what? I might need him.
And what happened in one of the playoff games here, right? Yeah, like it's that is to Steve Currents I got because I might need him is to John Paxson's.
I'm gonna need it.
Like that's so you on those guys because, you know, I need them to be ready at one point in time.
It's gonna be a time woman each.
How did how did you feel about? I know you remember when his dad gets killed and you're watching it now as an adult.
But the way the media tried toe, say or insinuate that it had something.
Do it, Michael, That is gambling.
You lose somebody.
Certainly your parent.
The last thing you want to hear is Oh, they're blaming me for it or my actions that something to do with it when it didn't.
But I feel like the media and some of the guys like WILBON, And then they talk about that time.
They recognize that they overstepped their boundaries covering Mike and his father, but they still do it the day the way they cover LeBron.
The way they covered Kobe, they still overstepped their boundaries.
What one thing about that, Um, before we get onto, like having covered him the his father death? Um, I was looking at some old articles Sunday.
Um, I think that the when the kids is asking for a new trial on the pill Or he asked one previously, This is fishy holes in that story.
It's a lot of fishy hold.
He went missing and they didn't follow report for 11 days later.
That's kind of I don't know who didn't file a report, his family or because in the do***entary, they said 24 hours and went by, and they started reaching out to law enforcement.
What do this on the Charlotte Observer.
It said 11 days had passed before they didn't official missing persons before.
So let's say something fishy did happen.
I mean, is that for Is that for the media to insinuate something that they don't You know, something without basis or fact, Like we don't know what really happened.
All we know is at least according to reports, they found his car.
They later found his body.
He had been killed.
They said it was, Ah, a couple teenagers.
I think most teenagers they say that that robbed him.
He was driving a red Lexus so pulled over inside the road.
I mean, what if something fishy did happen? But the family wants to keep it private.
That is the families, right, isn't it? It is on.
And that was in, what, 1993 or four in today's media cycle? In today's Twitter world told me that there was 96 No, 93 million.
Yeah, right in 1994.
In today's world, that's for celebrities.
That's just not TMZ will have the story before it breaks.
And But that's not right, you know.
I'm saying Like like, um, Vanessa Bryant is suing the L.
A County, uh, Sheriff's Department because of those eight shares that took photos of Kobe's body and those other people with bodies that died and then started showing people and like That's sick.
Yeah, I mean, they over they go too far to get a story clicks.
It is that the world has changed.
The world has just Ah, it's more instant, but it's changed because of Michael, right? I mean, he's one of the reasons.
Told you, I think I think O. J.
Is actually probably the biggest reason that media has changed.
Um, that that that trial, the sensationalism of that trial changed.
Just the way we think about media and court cases and stuff like that.
It's still the most pivotal moment of the, uh, last 30 years.
What going, mike? No, I mean I would.
I sent me that article.
What? I think I responded to him like Listen, by no means, though.
I mean, let's just think of the that, says Jake.
Think of the family, the typical family and anybody's family, right? There's always there's always know families.
Perfect way started Cosby's, and that's probably last perfect game.
Have you seen? We saw how that turned out for Bill, huh? Yeah.
So, like the way I took it is, if it is true that they've been reporter missing for 11 days, like, you know, in the doctor ordered, said, you know, he would go to visit friends for week or so.
So tell me what it sound like.
It's maybe him and Mrs Jordan might not have been, you know, at the greatest point.
Maybe in this sauce, this is all speculation.
This is all be formally in an opinion.
But maybe it was him.
Maybe he was doing this thing or whatever and he would go.
He would leave for time for a time.
And he was doing his own thing, and nobody bothered them or whatever.
So maybe they thought this was one of those moments, you know, he'll come back when he when he when he come back, you know? But, I mean, I get it like I get it.
I mean, if if that's if that's what happened, but I don't for it to be I know it's tough.
And even for somebody mentally strong as he is, Michael is like for someone to paint in the whole world.
At that time, was painting.
You're looking at you as the cause of your father's death.
That should stop that.
It would be hard for anybody to look out a handle, so it was foul.
Um, And I think like, like you say with the O.
I think where we're kind of brought the two together is O.
J Thought he was untouchable.
It's all, you know what I mean? And then once he turned, once the media turned on, many became black O J. All right.
And I think, you know, I think Mike at one time, you know, sometimes you kind of get naive.
You are the on top of the world.
And I think Mike thought he was untouchable into the gambling.
She happened and things like that, I think it really hurt.
I think it really hurt him to his core that anybody would take a jab at him because of who he was.
He had started off being his big superstar, Uh, sometimes more squeaky clean, beautiful image.
I mean, you looking around if you're Michael Jordan and you've won three championships and the league has grown in popularity beyond anyone's dreams, partly because you know Magic Bird is the foundation.
Michael takes it a crazy next level, right? The sport itself, all the journalists around you, the businesses.
Everyone's eating because you're Michael Jordan and then for people to turn on you and start writing articles, books saying that you like your only relevant because he's Michael Jordan.
So I feel like for him, it might have been Yo, you guys really can't cut me a break like my family wanting something like they went too far, man.
And they still do it today in I think I don't remember who said it in a do***entary, but they, I think, was David Audrey's that said he was talking Teoh out of his Pippen or someone.
But David Aldrich says before Mike retires, like the media is going to drive him out of the game and he takes that time and Magic said, Yeah, it's e mean, And if you said it sucks, it's just kind of part of celebrity.
The reason is that one of our good friends probably went crazy kind of the West.
Oh, he's your good friend, you know, he's not a friend of my show, E.
You know that that fame and that pressure, it has got to drive people crazy.
And Michael Jordan? He was the biggest.
He's the biggest.
So, yeah, those tweets now, speaking about those two years off, Um, even though, you know, I know Alex doesn't like the Twitter, uh, cut trade or what? Whatever.
Hate it with a call country or business start.
Bench cut. I hit now. ****.
A lot of speculation going on like that.
I saw a big, big shot.
Bob came out and said the Rockets didn't matter of Jordan, would have retired or not the Rockets with one of those two years, and I The only reason I see Look, the only reason I would have seen the Rockets win if Jordan was still playing is because look, winning four in the world.
I mean, look, three takes a toll.
Obviously, only three teams have done it.
I just think the Bulls may have been worn down and that might have been what allowed Houston toe win.
But Houston had to go seven games against the Knicks.
Yeah, I mean, I just don't bet against Mike in those tight now.
I mean, I hate just would have will toe live like we're just going away.
You trust Kenny? The Jet Smith guard, Michael Jordan in the finals.
You saw what he did it. Gary Payton.
Oh, that's a good one.
That's a good one.
Um, what, you guys thoughts on that? I mean, they said Mike was like Gary Payton asked for sneakers after Game one and that the board knew he had Yeah, like, Okay, I mean, Finals, though, was closer than a four legged. It was a close.
Shawn Kemp was unstoppable, and I wish they would have showed more kids.
They focused on Gary and Mike.
But Shawn Kemp was a monster.
He was the second best player on the court.
Don't get me started on Kim Kim with both.
Like, I think that Siri's that series got kicked by $100 million contract eventually from Cleveland would be became, You know, marshmallow.
Can't I love that.
I love that Seattle science.
It legalise camp.
Yeah, but I mean, I just think if I'd listen that I think that's the greatness in the dark.
Like watching every action to what other players say like you do.
You know, they gave him the iPad and look at what it would.
Gary said it you lied like blessed are laughing like like all right, Yeah.
I have no problem with the glove, you know, But like, I mean, it was a different look.
At any time a coach makes an adjustment, I think it will affect you.
And but she doesn't also another part about my Why can't he just be like, Oh, that was a good adjustment GP pay good, those two game.
But we still want because he's feeling like that's why I had a bag like his brain, just like it's not No, no one else.
That's just me. I messed.
That was like, You know what I think? I think he may have leaned that way, but I think Gary went too far.
I think Gary messed that up when Gay said We did did this early on in the Siri's, it might have been a different outcome.
I think that totally took Michael's mind like that was that was a wild time and, um and guy holds grudges, Man.
He holds grudges like I've never It's in anyone a man have watching that and I'd look too shiny and I was like, I hope to be as petty as Michael Jordan She said that I am.
But, hey, it's almost uncomfortable holding that grudge down look like the wolf is the Sports Illustrated thing.
Oh, yeah, when they told him when he was playing baseball, he said, Baggage Michael, he ever since you know how much money that probably called Sports Illustrated that do doing that are the guy.
Yeah, he he had to go.
The guy who made that cover you go.
This is I mean, I think I think that's that.
I think that's what makes him him to drink like like, you know, take the end of making crazy.
But I think, you know, again, that's the one thing that's was sticking out on one of the many things that's been sticking out to me in this do***entary.
Like the ability to take something like You.
Look at them the Bradford Smith Story.
Yeah, and like that's been lure in the area that we live in.
And that was about to say that in our little area and the D a V when our dad used to take us to the okay, you weigh in.
The bullets are just terrible.
They're probably, honestly, the top three worst franchise in NBA history.
Um, the Bradford Smith Lily scored 37 points on Michael Jordan.
Like that's just appeared on his tombstone.
Yeah, and I mean, that's been like that's been lured, you know what I mean? Like, that's one of greatest stories.
I was I was so happy when when David all just brought it up.
But, you know, the fact that he made that like it just takes a different kind of do to be able to channel something into busting somebody's ass.
You never mean like, even if I make it up and I know it's false, right? Right.
Like your brain, Like, yo, yeah, I'm able to tell myself, like, now this do disrespected.
So I'm gonna turn that into fuel toe with ads, and it's like I just think that special you'll not many people have that.
I mean, he baby, basically, what he basically told himself was the Bradford Smith walk up the court slapped him on the ass like day.
Sapele playing Prince game life if they never happened.
It never know if this is weird.
Like the Bradford Smith man, anyone? So what do you guys think about? You know, when he came back after the baseball thing, Um, and in that year that they lost to the manager, Would you guys think about that That killed him and kill you? He didn't really kill the minute, wack ass.
Nick Anderson really cost us the championship.
I mean, when you see that, like that one, that almost cost you that statement.
And then he came back and when he wouldn't be dropped 30 some.
Like, look like those have dial up his economic.
But it is like, now it's a good what it's like, you know, just little.
Any statement B.
He took that and made out of something like I mean, he literally said, you know, now I gotta kill this dude Like Like I have to next game.
Yeah, like he you know, he barked at us on the bench.
I got to get him, You know, I mean, but I think that I think that magic, the Orlando Magic joint him going out like that, getting stripped, they had that had to feel like a They had to feel like a knife to the gut.
Yeah, had to feel like he probably should have waited until the next season to come back, you know? Yeah, like that's what he should have waited and got his body right, cause baseball, baseball training.
And that is different from basketball training.
I want to get to something that I'm sure, Dad, you is gonna want to talk about this.
Unless let's just jump to it.
Scottie Pippen deciding not to go back in when KU coach was was up to take the game winning shot and made the shot at that immediate.
Yeah, listen, listen, I'm not I'm a Pippen fan.
He's a great player all time.
It probably he's probably the best on ball defender I've ever seen.
Um, he's incredible.
Long arms, quick.
But as far as a person goes and he's not is a whiny Oh, he's a punk, and I don't mean that in a bad way, but he's like that move right there to not go into the biggest game of the season because you didn't get the last second shot.
It's going to haunt in, and it should haunt him forever.
That was a punk move.
And Phil Jackson, the greatest coach ever, really handled it right.
And he didn't alienate them.
He didn't b rating, but I think he'd be lost some respect for Moon that No, you don't do that.
No, cause what would lead him to do that? And this is his M V P type season.
I'm over either.
Listen, Scottie Pippen is my favorite player of all time, right? I am not by any means justifying this.
They have moved.
Like when it happened.
I remember happened and I couldn't believe it.
I knew that it would be something that's been talked that will be talked about forever.
I've had arguments about this since then.
Um, but you know, to be second fiddle right? And it is now my time to be the man and you know, you in the biggest against our biggest rival in our biggest game without Mike, you call him on this dude that's making more money.
That got first of all, so cut that to the money.
That trick Percival is all ego, right? It's all legal like that.
That play was ego play.
I am the man of this team and you don't call on me to make you.
Don't call on me for that.
He took it as a disrespect, and not only was the Plage what not wasn't drawn up for me, but it was Jonah for a dude whom that clearly, the organization is showing that they care more about.
We'll have more interest in paying more money to me and stuff like that, like so I think it's easier said for us to be like Russians weak, but you have to factor in all of those things yet.
Well, Tony, um, Tony also hit about 45 game winners that you that's cool.
He's a 6 11 left handed player that can get off a shock easy because it's just not natural to block a left handed person.
He had a lot of game winners like you said he did, but those weren't playoff games.
This was a playoff game.
This was maybe going you show your ass in a playoff game.
But listen, I looked Like I said, I'm not.
I'm not justifying it.
But I understand I can understand somebody.
Start processing that move.
Whether it was a week of sore should have gone in, of course.
And I think he I think he regrets that he didn't help himself by saying, You know, if that happened, I'd probably do it again.
He didn't help himself, but I think he's a punk.
He's a whiny little punk.
I don't think that makes him a punk.
I mean, I think that I think that makes him somebody who waited this time.
And when it came down to me, it came out of money time you, his organization, been been the baby kicking me in the gut all this time.
This is just one more gut punch at the MO at this moment, like you're really full like, First of all, I carried us here.
We're here because of me, not only glucose, and that's fine.
I think when I dish for someone, he's Yeah, I'm just saying I'm listen, I'm just saying thank you.
Just find it's not justified.
I think it was wrong.
You don't do that right, and that's why he's not living it down now.
But I do understand where his mindset could have been at that time. I do.
I do like I carried us here.
I'm the reason that we hear this dude is making more money than me.
And you gonna give the last shot in this moment to him? That could have been my M V P.
Sailing moment right there.
I could have sealed the award about u U 19 player.
Well, I mean, it's not a team player.
He's been second fit.
He was second fiddle his entire career till the he should be third after that.
Uh, I mean, I'm actually surprised they talked about in the dark.
I didn't think they would.
I thought they'd avoid that.
I Yeah, yeah, the dockets, the doctors funny, you know, about the the way it shot in the way it's edited.
I'm not the biggest fan of it, but it touches all the stuff that, like you said, like who knew that the Doug Collins Phil Jackson, like I didn't know that it would be like, Who knew? Duck house New like instantly on this guy's gonna take my job and sure enough, He did have a quick question for you fellas, though.
For So after the Pittman thing at, he quits on his team like a row punk.
And Mike comes back in a dude Orlando thing 1996.
Is that the greatest team ever? I think so.
Why? Because they won't set me towards in.
I've never seen a team.
Even even the Golden State Warriors.
60 Now they want 73.
And yes, I'm sorry. 73 90.
It just didn't seem.
It didn't seem as effortless.
I mean, they was winning games easy to, but they won with 25 straight structure season.
But I just I've never seen a team like before.
That 72 10 team like I mean, just blowing through every I mean, like, you saw department, you know, they say it.
Pip, it looked at the schedule was like, Yeah, we're going 30 straight way.
Might not lose for two months like I don't know.
I just like a team clicking on all cylinders like that that I've never seen it.
I've never seen it like that. No.
What do you think, Alex? So to me, the 72 10 Bulls, all the grid are the greatest team of all time.
And I mean, I happen.
Have to 72 in 10.
Jordan's right here.
So I do believe Shot out the mic.
Hopefully, I get a sponsor.
It however, Mike how? Adam? Look, man, I think that the greatest team of all time now look, had the Warriors completed that the championship season.
I'm calling them the greatest that I'm looking at.
The best records.
The best 15 records of an MBA history.
Right? So the Golden State Warriors, 73 9 They don't win the championship.
The Bulls and number two at 72.
10. They want to ring 72 Lakers.
They go 69 13 day born of ring.
They want to wring 67 76 or 68 13.
They want a ring.
Um, 73 Celtics Now they went 68 14 but they did not win, But then the 86 Celtics They want a ring.
92 Bulls want to ring.
The 2000 Lakers won a ring.
Like all these teams that had the best records of all time completed it.
So if you don't complete it, yeah, I mean, how much state you guys put in? When the 96 when Jordan came back, it was a weaker leak you had expansion with, um, Vancouver and, uh, Toronto.
So was it a weaker MBA? Maybe? Look, look, man, there's no more.
There's no more weaker MBA than what we have right now, and that's no disrespect.
I'm talking my saying the players, but from an expansion standpoint, I think there was what, that that 0.
I think it was 23 teams back when that season happened.
Now there's what 30 so like.
It would have been harder no matter what.
Even if it wasn't expansion year that year was still could be harder than it is now.
I think I think it was more.
I think you had more talented team or better teams at that time.
I mean, you had teams that were clicking, you know, teams that aren't even close to that now Pacers, those type of TV was solid teams that you didn't want.
I mean, I just feel like top to bottom.
The NBA was better at that time, which, to me makes it even more impressive.
I mean, Seattle was ended up once in championship that year.
Like, I mean, that Nets team know that Nothing that that that was the a C that they played in the in the beginning of players like, you know, they were okay, like they want like that.
That Mets team, though the A C then probably would be 45 You was a big Sherman.
Done this fan, weren't you? I was a good kid.
I was a big carry kidding.
What? You know, like Bailey the Great just chimed in.
That's 73 9 for his team.
Listen, listen, listen, They say, I think you were incredible.
They were great.
I just think they were.
I think they were the most talented team, and I don't think it was like I said it Top to bottom ver teen wise.
I don't think it was that many good teams at that time only be wrong. Like you're still.
It's still an amazing feat, you know what I mean, But I just think they were just the most talented team.
You know what I mean? To Barnett.
I don't think the Bulls top to bottom, and I think that's what Bayliss point is like from 1 to 15 12 12 that both he might not have been the most talented t I, but the 73 9 warriors.
Katie wasn't on that team.
That's the old news and go get Katie.
So if you're telling me the 739 Warriors was basically features a Steph Clay Draymond versus Jordan, Pippen in and in a dentist.
Look, man, I got to go.
If the Bulls, I mean, if anything Steph makes that step makes the Warriors go, I think with or without Katie, I think he's the reason the Warriors do with warriors do.
And if you tell me the Bulls can throw two of the greatest defenders of all time at Steph Curry at all times, I mean what I mean.
You could still put Ron Harper on clay.
No, he might not stop Clay, but he's big enough to give him some trouble and then that Robin's going to disrupt anything Draymond does.
So I mean, that's a hell of a mess.
Reagan like 15 texts.
Yeah, I e. World.
I think the Bulls would have been just a tad bit too physical for that team if they ever matched up.
I think I think that that's probably would have won it.
I mean, they they were similar in defensive mentality, like That's another thing like that that goes state team and get credit for credit for like they stretched up, strapped up even deeply, they play d.
So that's you know, you can't say I can't really say that.
I think it would have just came down the physicality at the end of the day and that, But But that was at the same time that that go to state team.
That was You're looking at a team that was also clicking to, like, I mean, like that bull team.
But that go to state team was clicking as well.
They were just coming in today, you know.
They like their their own.
It was their full power.
They started to realize where the baddest MF er is out here and we just go over it.
I mean, like I said, they wanted what 23 straight to start the season or something crazy.
That's what Luke Walton was coaching him and he's actually leveraged at up to two jobs and he's terrible.
Hey, is terrible that he literally just gets off because he's Whoa, Look, man, that Bulls team, I look better, Greatest team of all time and I mean, I can, you know, im a Lakers fan, obviously, Yeah, I'd love to go one of Lakers teams, you know, I've said many times before.
I think if Jordan stays in the league past 98 I think by the time he runs into the 2000 Lakers Lakers probably Lakers my sweep.
I'm saying it is what it is.
At that point, A to that point s Prime Shack and Mike's went with that would have been maybe seven or eight finals for Mike.
I guess that's that's too much to ask of anybody at that point when they're running into the next guy up.
So but that Golden State team.
Now we're talking a Golden State team that adds Kevin Durant.
That's a different ball game.
Yeah, I don't I mean, that's just that's just too much for everybody that as a whole nother layer.
It's a like that would think that was what? 07 17.
****, that was a good team to I'll take.
You know, I love to see Scotty matchup against Kevin Durant.
Kevin ran still got 45 inches, but I'd love to see that match up.
But then, at that point, you're putting Jordan on what, Clay? I guess maybe at certain times, just just too many people for them to guard.
Yeah, Yeah, I you know, I don't know.
I mean, listen, I would love to see for sure, but I think I mean, would you throw? Let me Let me ask you a question with your throw.
Uh, that is robbing on on on K D. At all.
I Am I getting his ass literally.
I put Pippen on, um, Katie.
Yeah, I will start with you know what? You know what I would actually start with? And that magic I was I would put pip one on.
Ah, static, gross stuff.
I could see that.
I didn't say that.
I will prepare for stuff I will probably put I put half for I put a har****, clay, I might not put Jordan your client and Katie.
Listen, we got to jump that my ****ing way.
You don't trust Tony Coco's garden? Katie que legal ruses haven Krupp.
And it's someone like a long ley.
He couldn't even playing this series.
You just They just go snow with Robin.
You could you could You could icu coke at the four and run robbing at the five.
I mean, I see what you're saying. Ballot.
But like, you got to realize, like, pipping at that time, Like he was more like he will be more of a distraction in in the ****ing net to somebody like staff at that time.
Just off of his size alone, like, Yep, yep.
That's what they would do.
You know, he will pick up small little before you pick up for court.
And that's what made him That's what just made him such a weapon defensively that she could be that because Clay, I mean, stuff at that time was what was making a teamed up before they got Katie.
If you think that they're 73 win team, whatever.
But you put a pitch for him to give him you know, to make him work for what he going after that could cause found for that team to I think, Katie, no matter who you won't put on Katie, he gonna get it, get it? 35 12.
You're going straight up the same way on the other end of the court, will you? Who plan? I mean, Clay, it's supposedly the best defender on that word.
Jordan will give him 40.
He either wait, go to go get his 35.
You know what I mean? If anyone call him a home, let me ask.
So mash oldest the last two episodes I'm assuming is gonna focus on the Bulls Final Two championships.
You think we get a car? Malone citing interview in this do***entary? I sure hope I don't know.
They they definitely did interview, um, Stockton.
Definitely that they did that, like maybe three weeks ago.
Remember this dot wasn't done, but right.
Cab can't stand him.
He's actually one of the worst human beings I have ever seen. Play basketball.
Um, and saying that most great he was in all he was in credibly at that little that mid range jumper on.
And then I used to like we'd go to the courts and play.
I used to mumble at the free throw line like Karl Malone.
If Malone If there.
Ah, If the Jazz beat the Bulls and back to back years, how do you view Car Malone at that point? Greatest power forward ever.
****, He's number two now with no rings.
You know, um number two behind Timmy.
You putting you putting Malone over, chap, She s Yep.
For his longevity chop was incredible.
Chuck, if I my personal favorite power forward But Malone is with the 2nd 2nd all time leading scorer M v p uh, he's just he I just think his longevity aspect.
But he was still bawling on 2000 for me. He was on the Lakers.
Chuck has any Pete.
So I mean, they're both great.
I just take car Malone for longevity aspect.
I don't, so I don't know.
We see it called Melo. Citing maybe.
But So I was watching after, um, after the show on Sunday.
I was watching General Scobie year.
And did you see the got the director of the that Jordan and I don't know and I couldn't watching Golden Girls.
I bet I know that.
He said that there will be some surprise parents.
Is he said that I'm But he said, like one of the next two.
Doctor's gonna really like home a long Steve Kerr.
Why? Why? I don't know.
Hey said in the next What if the next we'd actually going really feel you're going to see how tough he was, I guess.
So Steve Kerr had a personal changes to in his phone down. Okay, Dad.
Okay, here's the back story on his dad was America.
Americans are ambassador to Iran.
That Iran entire on.
That's the city.
And then I ran so and then apparently when you know it got crazy and then he got shot, he could die.
You got assassinated.
So so But that's not part of the story.
I think they're gonna touch on that.
I don't That's what he was saying.
OK, he would obviously give out.
He did say he has footage from Bird that whatever Bird says, he's surprised that he feels like the bird clip is going like shut down.
The Internet is what he said.
So something something Bird says about Mike or whatever that he feels going to shut that women.
Is this guy hot taking us to death? Tyler.
What is that, it seems? Is he hot taking us to death? It's not like the producers like giving us these hot takes like I'm just telling you so No, I mean, if you don't see Malone, don't be surprised.
Didn't mention it. Didn't mention alone.
But he said there were there would be some more appearances that he didn't want.
He didn't want, I don't know.
That's that's what he was saying the final two.
But they may ask him about you know, we get MAWR episodes past 10 and he put a study over his head.
He's like, I don't know.
So I think the Netflix join this problem.
Yeah, it's doing six million viewers.
It's the biggest doc ever.
Like they can honestly run 23.
And he said he also said that, um, like the last episode 10 ain't done yet.
Hey, was like, Hey, gotta have it done by the end of this week or they're going big on Ripley's contract.
And that's maybe that's why they're glossing over so many things that just the time they're just kind of back to the wall.
We gotta get finished a ****, because you don't check clear, you know, we gotta do this.
And he mentioned that.
He said, You know, they asked him like there were some of the things that we left on the cutting room floor and he was like, You know, um, not a fact.
So when Jordan came back, right, what were the 45 came back when the 45 and they wanted to.
He said they wanted to for time said they wanted to skip to the double nickel gain in the Garden, which they did.
But when Jordan saw the rough cut, Jordan called DeMann was like Now there was a game in Atlanta that I bought out, and that was the game.
And let me know that I was back.
Hey was like, So that needs to be in there and like, that's why I think that's why that game made it because of that.
But he was saying it was a couple instances with Jordan.
Jordan would call at the scene rough constantly, like Not unless you got a place you've got to talk about this and you got a mention that So how does that even work? That the subject of the do***entary is telling you how to put it together? I mean, you didn't say Like he said, the suggestions.
We're like key points that everybody has like so he was like, worked out because he said, he said purposely, he hired, you know, editors that we're not basketball people.
OK, but they were not.
I mean, the objective a little bit and do it like a story as you would write.
And he said, like there were times where you know he stuck to his guns.
Mike wanted this or the editors wanted this and he was saying no.
Then he was like it was time.
The editors was like Like like, I agree with Michael on this.
We should show this and that's how it is.
So he said he didn't feel it was a lot of a lot left on the on the cutting room floor.
That was, you know, that would swing the doctor, but he said, you know, for time's sake, they had they had to cut a lot of stuff.
E I mean they're providing content when there's just there's no sports.
I mean, so the docks doing numbers.
I think when Netflix gets their hands on it and they add their version of it or whatever, that'll do numbers.
And it means George's Jordan's duck.
If he wants to call the director or the producer and say, You should add this also And he certainly has that right.
A man? No, Some people are frustrated, made frustrated might be the wrong word, but some people don't like that.
The do***entary is basically shaped through Jordan's eyes and narrative, but I mean his I said, I don't know.
I mean, if you want to do your own doctor, your own doc, but it says it's his story to tell the way he wants it.
That's why this footage stayed on locking all this time.
And that's another thing that the director said like he was like, you know, that is, that is false.
He was like, No, he did not control this thing.
He was like, if he was like, That's why I asked him the tough questions like you know, about the gambling and stuff like that.
He was like, If he controlled that, and that probably wouldn't be in this, you know? I mean, he was like So he said, the narrative that Jordan controlled This is totally wrong.
So I mean, he said, That's why that's why you had tough parts in there tow asking, talk about because otherwise, then I'm sure it wouldn't be that so I don't know.
I mean, it's a very entertaining doc.
Um, the chatter is incredible.
Like Alex, that is, no sports except Korean baseball, which is not that bad.
If you want to wake up at 3 a.m.
and work, I mean the guy these guys choke up on the bat like they're bumping every time.
But, um, it's great entertainment.
It's great because he's great.
He is a mythical figure whose is about it's villas he gets.
I mean, he's literally, you know, the other thing that's missing is the they haven't seen.
Not one picture, why I needed it.
Yes, actually thought that they might have her in there for certain things.
But hey, I mean, Jordan probably don't want to give her any more money.
Is that enough? I mean, I mean Maybe she Maybe she didn't want to be a part of his kids aren't in it.
I mean, I think a couple pictures of young but not you know now, at their age, they're in their thirties and other kids air in it.
So, you know, I don't know.
You know, you would You would have a story about your life in your wife of 15 years, Mother.
My kids wouldn't have a blip minute.
That's a little either me.
But that kind of goes back when this guy's just maniac, uh, personality, which some people love.
So it's coming out.
When? How long has he been divorced? Now, about 10 so years.
Yeah, Probably 20 close to 20 years.
But the story goes back to 1984 1982 83 80 88 89 when I was a big part of your life.
Your kids? We've been married for 15 20 years.
I don't get a blip.
There's not even a blip.
She wasn't with him shooting in the gym.
She owned the gym.
She only that now e Well, for all we know, she may not have wanted to be in a lot of my joy, hiding in the shadows, right? True that, master, I actually that whole scene there since then The beyond these? Yes, he dipped off.
And then, to be honest, like the director was saying like he has a better He has a better relationship with Jordan, one of Jordan's sons.
Then he does with Jordan.
He's like, we don't tell me, not text buddies or anything like that.
So it's like he talks to his son time the time.
You know, he he he can exchange the text with him, but he's like, I can't just text Jordan.
He's not Just texted me.
Yeah, so he knows another thing.
They're kind of jumped out to me.
The Jordan would drive to all these games.
Yeah, I was thinking that too late and biggest He like a lot of players do that, though.
Even the bigamy I know Kobe took a helicopter toe staple center games, but most players don't take helicopters.
Yeah, Robert, did you What did you be like at that flu like, let's say we pay in l a right.
Like I'm taking like, a caber time that drive into no game like I'm talking mentally in this Mitchley and my flow.
He did have a driver, though.
The white dude that day was labeled with his best friend that do George or something.
Yeah, he was his driver.
So that's what I mean.
I'm sure he he enlisted him when it was time to champagne and cant can you saying Yeah, that's another thing.
Like the amount of cigars this guy smokes and coffee he drinks.
If he must be such an amazing athlete and he smoke Mr Garlic before practice and then they in practice swinging the bat like a Coke e book.
I'm like, bro, I smoked once the garden.
It's like I'm ready for bad, like I can't do anything.
It's insane, guys.
What? There was there was a name about like how Ah, how the bronze spends a 1,000,000 on his body.
I mean, you know the deal.
A 1,000,000,000 in here on his body and my control Smoke guard before it.
After getting you honestly, I have somewhat I was like, Yo, do you know how, like much a code like it shouldn't just every last you so much.
You really want to go to the band and he's playing ball.
It's insane that one day I do one action about anything they touch on the the flu game.
Oh, reputations over.
You know, the one that he was hungover.
Yeah, I'll tell you what.
If he was actually hung over and played like that, that's more impressive to me than flu game.
He is hoping that it doesn't.
They have thought I'd rather I'd rather spend 15 minutes on that.
Then Steve Kerr no fits you.
Can I e think that's what they said is gonna be It's gonna be a good fit.
10 to 15 on Steve Kerr in one of these next episode's look I e.
One of the biggest shot.
He had a picture, but they don't they don't didn't get 15 minutes of John Paxson, right? What was really one of a championship got about? He got six minutes for ever to occur, is getting a lot of time because he's a big time coach now.
That's why they were using his.
But I don't see the reason I have them in their more than what he you know, he I understand an episode on, Phil, obviously on Scotty, dentists, even Tony.
But, like, come over is there is no reason for an episode or even 1/4 of an episode on anybody else.
I hope it ain't one of those stretching moments, like, but we got to stretch this out.
So let me go ahead and let's talk about Steve.
But I guess that answers why people was wondering why Steve was a poster. Yeah.
Having ridiculous, I guess that answers why, but not really talk.
They said that he got his story is pretty deep with his dad, and yeah, okay, try his family tragedy.
So they say the story is pretty deep.
Yeah, well, I will jump back on when the final two episodes released.
I'm really curious to see how they handled the Jazz Siri's.
And what comes out of that? Obviously, people are gonna be talking about the push off on Byron Russell and all that stuff I felt.
I think Stockton is gonna be in it because I did read the article where stock in their first did not.
He was reluctant, right? Because he said it was just a Michael Jordan fluff s so he didn't He didn't want to be a part of that.
So it's his do***entary.
So I mean, let me ask you this before we go.
Like why? I mean, you think like people like Hatem, though, like you think they hate him? Um I mean, like, stocking and want to be a part of it because he thought it was a fluff.
But like, does he not deserve it to be? Does he not deserve that? Do you think people hate him because of what he accomplished? And I'm sure he reminds them anything greater? Begin he He's a legitimate great a lesson that I know.
I don't want to get too deep here, but there's a guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue that people tend to hate, right, Because he's a legitimate after.
All, right? Right.
Um, he's no ankle.
Yeah, he's stone cold.
Astle noticed by the press conference yesterday, trying now, um, Michael Jordan is the same vein.
And I know he's great.
We love watching plate.
He is a great a you hear peak outfit, *******.
Just like that, guys.
1600 Pennsylvania, They will trump a no Alfa uh, he's an Alpha, bro.
Let me tell you what you know, obviously this dissolved topic, but Supreme Court, the Supreme Court is hearing a case on if he if they're gonna make him release his tax returns.
The only reason he doesn't want to tax times releases because he's not as wealthy as he tells everybody is that's why you are.
And we'll it The Supreme Court's going turn in that case five before because he put his own joy.
But which is Jordan? Jordan? Jordan? Uh, Taison Michael Jackson. Ali.
Like those guys that can say they were literally at the top or whatever they did.
Dude in the White House and its top of nothing, he's not.
Well, wait, wait.
I don't want to get too deep here, okay? I don't look it too deep here, but he will change the face of he.
He changed the the way we think of politics.
You agree that, right? Like moving forward.
It's never gonna go back to the old right.
Like the game has changed in heat.
He changed the game.
So establishment let establishment change the game because of a black man being in the White House.
That's the reason I'm with you, bro.
But whatever reason, the establishment also could have kept it as a woman.
Right? There could have been that it could ever be Clinton.
I mean, look, man, country in front all they want.
The country doesn't want a woman in White House.
We confront all they want.
They don't listen.
Connection between him and MJ.
We can move that way there.
Well, OK, they're both peak *******s.
I don't think a lot of people like them if they they have, Yes.
Men around them.
Um, they're just grudges.
Look, the grudges, this guy.
But I think for Jordan, I think he went six championships.
Right? So think about the players that he literally stopped from winning.
I think that has a lot to do with Barkley.
Would have probably have one.
Gary Payton would have at least one.
Malone might have one or two.
It might have one.
Waikiki knocked off all his contemporaries.
And so I I think I think it's that why maybe some of his contemporaries don't like him, But also a man has a jealousy in that he ascended to a level that the rest of his peers didn't outside of magic.
And I think it's easier for people to like Magic one because he smiles and to because he has HIV.
Or maybe it is, Well, it listens.
No, listen, listen, studies that is no one.
No one here when you're on magic just was still a five time M V P Five times they let a thing took on a whole other thing.
It's unemployed down with people. Don't you know he has.
We don't talk about it, but, like, people are going to go at Magic. The Saint.
Like if someone is ill or you think that they're ill, you're gonna treat them differently.
Doesn't mean they do.
You do three people, definitely.
No matter how bad they are.
You treating? Definitely when they're so.
But Magic's not an ******* like much? No, but aides were without.
I think I don't think he's openly an *******.
What else? You would I mean, he smiles.
You got a nice smile.
Yeah, I think I think he's better.
I think he might have been better at playing the game.
That might Yeah, I think so It might.
Might Did OK in front of the camera.
It is one thing, but, like, you know, a lot of things we've got to realize to like, a lot of things were coming out now, like we didn't know.
He keep treating Scott rather like the ****ing you know, we didn't know he treated Scarborough like that.
You know how do it every nation was in trouble.
He calls him Scott Burrell.
He didn't say Hey, Scott.
Yeah, like I mean it.
So I think I'm a king hammering that, you know, to be that great at something you don't have.
You don't have to be a ****, so you know, this would be a ****. You could be driven.
You could be full of us.
I almost had to be a ****.
That's not our most outfits.
Considered Knicks Orazov.
I'm not saying you have **** ish to say yes or no.
OK, so everybody that we're talking about Alfa Dogs, Magic Alfa Mike Awful Chuck Alfa Larry buried awful.
And the only thing that, like they have it in him either.
Oh, and one thing, I'm glad you just said that, Mike, because it remind me of this.
Barkley messes with them.
He beat Magic in 915 Magic messes with them.
Birds still likes like So it's not like all these players that played when he played don't like him, you and you were messing with him.
I think that, you know, I think when you are cut from the same cloth and mentality, you respect it.
Yes, I respect it, and I think that's that's a clear indication.
I think to me is glaring that why would Mike and Kobe good gravitating to each other? But why, Mike, Why didn't like the LeBron? That's what.
That's what I'm about to say, because I like that You say the bronze on out for doesn't have that killed.
I'm not saying that outfit, but I don't think he has that same out for I don't think he has.
They're saying killer mentality, then Mike and then Kobe.
Yet I think it's but it's also is like a 25 year age difference.
Yeah, I mean, I mean like, when Kobe came in, he literally played next to George like that plays a huge part, but I've yet I don't think that I mean, like, there's clearly I'm not going to say a rift between Mike and LeBron.
It is clearly something there where they like.
We just don't We don't We don't find you don't get And I mean you I'm sure the wrong kind of feel slighted on there like you, won't you? Don't you latch onto me.
So I'm gonna show you.
You know what I mean? And I think best I think that's LeBron's motivation.
I just don't think that LeBron's I don't think LeBron came up because, you know, early, LeBron, even LeBron now, like Mike ain't gonna be slapping a whole bunch of handshakes.
And what everybody? My gang would be there one.
The nine age of Corona. You better not.
Kobe wasn't going to do that.
I just think that they just want they They were just on the same way that I think that's ultimately why you know that.
I mean, you respect that those people hang with each other because they're the same person.
Could it could it could.
Well, I we'll do this next week.
I put on my notes will get this next week a fun discussion is always way.
We'll end it at that.
We were gonna plenty to talk about next week when those Final two episodes roll around anyway, So I'm sorry.
Well, I'm sad and will be a You know what? We going watch next.
You know what we're gonna do now? I see that talking about it.
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