Had a little false start, but nobody's gonna know about that.
It is, of course, Matt, Brooks and Adam are brick here today doing some reactions and discussion to our guy Bruno Manrique Gay and our other guy Draymond Green topic of much discussion during this quarantine period.
I think I've done about at least have reacted to, at least at minimum, five articles on Draymond green.
So, you know, this is a continuation, but it's a different angle for Mr Green, The mercurial figure on the on the Warriors.
So how you doing today? Excited.
Do some some new things.
Some new angles.
With this, I I can't wait, man.
Draymond green is the onion of the N b A.
You know, every layer is another delicious angle.
Some of them make your eyes water.
Others just just really add flavor at flavor to the n b.
A dish that we're trying to cook up here for people.
That's not if that doesn't entice anybody.
Teoh guided on this.
I don't know what's gonna happen. That was incredible.
Well, let's sautee this this this article right here, You know, um, got a couple of quotes, courtesy of Ah, of Drew Schiller from NBC Bay Area Draymond.
This is, of course, from his teammates Steph Curry on a recent podcast appearance.
He's loud, but he asked for it.
He wants every single confrontation.
He's amazing in that verbal warfare verbal warfare.
That's a good one.
That's like a Blue Tang clan that's like Joust is not a strong my channels.
Uh, you don't want to pick that fight.
He's the type of guy that if the room is quiet, like in our locker room, when we come into the arena and you got guys, listen to their music or in their own space, he's going to pick a fight with one of us and get himself going.
Um, that's got to be the weirdest endor*****t.
I mean, I know that's a thing like certain guys believe in that night.
That's actually something that's been passed down for generations, but I think it's so funny.
If you're just like, say, your you know your was a good one.
You know he's listening to the new, the new.
Maybe he's really into the new the Dream album.
He's like, Wow, it's been 10 years since the dream just dropped an album on Draymond just comes in, rips his air pot out, throws it against the wall on and pushes them into the floor.
That's what I'm picturing right now when I when I see this your like, you're just seeing guy like he's like he's he's Jochen people up by the scruff against lockers and be like, Are you wearing Jordans? Mach one? I don't understand what's going on over here.
Slide will actually gives a fashion standpoint.
Probably that has to draw a lot of fire to write.
Walk Sandy late last last spring's fashion.
You're off trend yet.
Where's your puppy pants? All that kind of stuff? Yeah, I'm picturing like wedgies.
Newbies like, I think that's what I'm expecting right now.
Like a real bully.
That's what I believe.
But it's funny, though, right? Cause he's looking, said from an endor*****t standpoint.
Basically, you're saying that basically saying you're dreamin is the pest by like he but because he's a member of that original trio for Golden State and because he's a quality player, probably to get some lateral movement in terms of probably be able to go around and do it a step and be like, Hey, okay, your music sucks.
What's what's next? And the only kind of stir the pot a little bit, especially like in pregame when maybe the locker room sitting a little low.
Well, all right, So here's the thing that stuck to things stuck out to me.
Uh, well, the main thing that really like I thought was interesting was that he said he's going to pick the flight to get himself going.
That's what Curry said.
But he didn't say it got us going.
So I feel like that's worth noting.
Like maybe I'm just raided, like reading into this in tax too much of this.
But, uh, I thought that's a little interesting because, like, I I don't feel like that would work for everybody.
And, like, even saw that with Durant like that, that argument that he had with the ran on the bench effectively pushed parent out of there.
So that is, I don't know if this is something that would work for everybody, but, you know, like eso, let's say, like if a guy like Jordan does this, or like a guy like Kobe does this, that's great because those guys are gonna lead the team.
But Draymond also not on that level like he's a very good player.
Especially, you know, a couple of years ago he was fantastic, like Top 20 player, I would say, but he's also not the guy that's gonna put the team on his next, so I don't know what the There's a There's a pros and cons chart, and I don't know what's felt.
Weighing what Right now? Well, it's a little bit like you Branta Durante's right.
Draymond has always been who he's been, and then at a certain point when maybe something shipped on the team you bring in a town like to rant.
If your dream I You're probably in most situations supposed to defer to what may be Durant likes.
So if Durant is a guy who throws his bones in, has his hood up and just kind of focuses in his pre game in the locker room just doesn't shoot around.
Maybe you want to leave him kind of the way is or even the bench altercation, right? Even if things aren't going well, you want to communicate something.
There's probably a time in a place and You have to kind of understand what that looks like if you're if you're even, say, Steph Curry on that team, the leader of that team, or like I started, think about like shack, right? Everything you've ever seen from him is this guy looks like he has a good time when he was in his pre game in the locker room, so the team can follow suit with that because he is the old star.
He is the leader in that locker room, so everyone kind of defer to that mentality and that attitude.
So it's interesting to think about a guy like Greene, who's 3rd 3rd on the roster, fourth when Durant is there.
And him maybe trying to use a because you're right, if you would.
You read it separate and go.
And you know what, It kind of gets my juices.
Fremont really needs to do that for him, and, you know, so that's happening.
We're trying to get ourselves right.
It's like a weird like, you know, like I doing like the worst thing possible in, like picking apart like five words of ah, longer quote.
But I I don't know.
I feel like that is a kind of a weird it doesn't totally, like, sell this whole method in a way where I'm like, Oh, I'm buying this Like I'm buying all stock.
I'm showing up to work.
When things go back to normal, I'm picking fights near the water cooler I'm gonna bring up.
Seem like I want a You call that punctuation, Get the heck out of your guy.
Yeah, like there's probably something to that.
And I think when you when you when you think about again, these bigger these bigger names.
Not a lot of those guys were like that.
For the most part.
Jordan and Kobe and Curry, you know, hard in Westbrook.
I understand even the honest right.
Not a lot of these guys do a lot of playful joking around in the pregame.
It is very much getting focused in on it.
So from from a dream on perspective and I started to think around the league a little bit Like what? What? Our players that maybe half their ceiling in terms of their skill set, but are very much doing it for themselves so that they get into the game with the highest possible level of energy and motivation and all those things.
And this is not eventually before we started recording.
This isn't a 1 to 1 in terms of skill, set or contribution on the court.
But one of the guys that I thought that really did this well for the Nets and who probably isn't gonna be there next year is Theo Pinson.
Like when you watch during the game, she was the band leader of the celebration on the bench, right? He is the guy that was like, when? When somebody hit the Big three when it was, you know, Joe Harris knocking out three of the quarter, he's the one splashing back on everybody.
You know, Chiefs throwing those dance moves around.
That's the way I think about that type of personality.
You normally don't see it and maybe one of the top two or three players on a team.
But that's kind of where that made me think about.
Those guys are important to keep the energy level, and the looseness going during a game on the bench was like one of the first place, though my mind wants, you know well, who else is doing this around wealthy Well, But isn't he the exact office? It he's like empowering his Stephen a again.
It goes back to the quote, right? Although, what is the actual What is the actual outcome of what dream on is doing? Because you're You're probably right.
I'm not sure if it's actually more like, but it does all right.
I get it. You're here? Yes, my music bad. Okay.
Where is your right? The Ethiopian center over these.
Nothing with these bench guys.
Right, guys, that their sole purpose is to when Durant comes over to the bench, they go, Man, that guy, he got shot that nearly got on the foul.
Missed it. You know, we're great. Move there.
That's all you're supposed to do is be building these guys up and at high fiving them during time outs.
I do wonder if Draymond like that in pregame and it seems like you've seen it on the bench or I don't wanna you hold it.
Only have interaction with Durant.
But I wonder, you know, is that what's going on during the game as well, is he Is he consistently maybe confrontational in that other way that against Curry saying in pregame music, You know, debating about who's who the best NFL players.
Okay, that's all kind of fun stuff, and maybe I do or don't want to engage in that.
But then if I get into the game and you're talking about, I should have been open or, you know, I worked off that screen.
Why didn't you get It's a mere Why didn't you go this way? I wonder how much that helps or hurts in terms of figuring out what makes sense, right? Making sure you're in right positions, making sure you're running. Please correctly.
I'd be curious to get inside Dream on line for something like that.
Well, uh, one of my favorite parts of parts.
I guess part of both of these quotes is, uh, see, they're going to be a teammate or something.
Training stuff, right? Fixing this poor, like five little guy.
Yeah, the towel boy.
It's like, you know, he's, like, 17 years old, just, you know, just excited to be here.
And this Hey, fun Green comes over and just makes fun of them.
Makes out of everything that he's doing making fun of the way he towels everything off.
I'm just trying to gather, tell out of the locker and he's like, Hey, hey, Carl over his head.
What do you putting up once 20 Jews? So, yeah, so I I don't know.
I think it's a funny.
There's obviously a lot of ways to go with this, and I think it does probably work.
I mean that the one thing for that warrior seems there so notoriously nice.
Like it's just a bunch of really nice guys like Steph Curry.
You condone his antics.
Sure, they can rub you the wrong way, but if you actually watch one of his interviews, you're just like God.
This is just the nicest human effort.
Clay is lovable in every sense of the word.
He's like a total goof.
So maybe they didn't like that.
Yeah, like even Iguodala.
Yeah, his time with the team to like again regard is one of the nicest players in the n b.
A up very cordial, very inviting in post game interviews.
I do wonder, you know what's what's the balance of that of having something and then, like in terms of when will that went through that? Get old, right? If your dream on gain a couple years ago, okay, it's different, right? And then you have a rough.
You're going through a rough season right now. A lot of injuries.
Does that still hold up? Can you still be that guy? Or as a team starts to lose or struggle, or is your skill set diminishes? People start to go.
You know what, man? I think I was kind of funny when you were the third best player.
Now you're you know, you're you're in your mid thirties and you're and you're giving us, you know, bench minutes.
I don't really love the fact that you're that you're talking trash on the everybody game A during war most.
Yeah, I think it swings the other way.
Like sheet is a good one for this.
Like, I just think like there's a certain level of production that you need to put up and for him putting up like what he must have.
I'm gonna look this up.
He put up something along the lines of, like, eight.
Uh, it was I think he was under 10 this year.
Let's stats and research.
So if he if he I don't know if I'm gonna get this my Internet moving for a while while you while you try to look that up, I'll, of course, do the the obligatory tie into the last dance of Dennis Rodman, right? Yes.
This is what we're talking about.
You come to this team, you're a weirdo.
You need a 48 hour vacation in Vegas that turns into being, you know, four days and your teammates have to come get you and all these things That's OK, because you're getting us almost 20 rebounds a game and you're affecting the defense.
You're helping us win a championship so that that extends it.
That's Soleri's it.
If tennis Rodman was giving you, you know, 16 minutes off the bench and pulling down six boards while he was cut in the preseason.
You know, he doesn't make it to that stage off of the season or on this team, So that obviously has to play a huge factor in terms off the tolerance that you have for the same thing with the A Rasheed Wallace.
I'm trying to think like some other guys that were like an and even the guys that really used to get you see a technicals a lot as well, right? Well, you can get technicals throughout the year as long as when playoffs come.
You shut that down.
We all know right infamously, when Draymond Green ends up getting as a missing games and effectively, people can point to, and you can agree to disagree that that's what helps LeBron James win that championship.
Well, there you go.
That's the perfect example of your not the superstar on this team.
You're not the second best player, and you may have cost it's a championship because you couldn't control yourself.
So it's the same maybe personality, that is trying to pump himself up in the locker room and pregame is the thing that he can't control on the court.
And then, once it cost you wins and losses in championships, that's what I think.
You start to see teammates go alright, or coaches say that this isn't worth it anymore.
And by the way out of those three players, regardless of where they are at this stage of their career, Draymond, the first piece that they would move on from push, came to shove.
You know, even if they were all playing at the highest point of their careers.
He's the first piece that goes away.
Uh, I got I got the numbers right here.
Eight points, 6.
So he's still moving the ball well, 38% from the field, 27% from three.
Uh, He's so used last two years that he lost to step a little bit last year and he kind of like, found an extra gear sort of in the playoffs, although he was really bad in the finals and turned the ball over a lot.
But this year, kind of more of a continuation on a really, really bad warrior.
So he's It's funny, Actually, There was a report that came out this week that was essentially along the lines of envy.
Other end A Executives think the Warriors should trade Draymond, which was like a weird headline.
It's like, Wait, is this Why would you pull the other executives and asked, What do you got? A lot of the other exit.
The other executives say We think he's not valuable for the team.
They should get rid of them.
I don't think the Warriors are doing a good job.
They could allocate that fun somewhere else. A little bit better.
But, I mean, I guess, Like, I guess.
Who better to ask? I mean, we just talked about it yesterday.
N b A Executives know what they're talking about with the pull of the best young player.
So you know, you can't go wrong, but it is.
It is weird that I'm thinking about is what is ah, we'll try to do.
We turn to our multiple research here.
Um, stats and research on the go today we're killing it.
Yeah, And everybody.
Everyone loves a good stream when you can hear the clacking of ah, uh, background, by the way, Uh oh, yeah, Dream on.
I want to pull it up.
He signed the four year, four year $100 million extension.
I was trying Remember what year he is in of that contract.
Didn't know kick.
Didn't he sign that preseason? So it kicks this year.
I believe this. Yes, sir.
So think about yes.
I mean, think about it from that standpoint, you know? Yeah.
No wonder exactly saying you should trade him and don't know what's gonna take him off your hands.
I mean, you want to talk about the Warriors and what the state of their franchise is going to be.
Even with Curry and Clay back 100% healthy going into next season, Draymond is not the same player that he was.
And you know, listen, this is kind of that classic debate, right? It's like the Scottie Pippen thing should the Bulls, and that's at the end of the end of the run.
But giving him a better contract, right? Maybe paying him what you think he's worth or paying him for past achievements with your team.
The Warriors made that choice, and you can go back and say they couldn't.
Maybe they could have sent that Teoh Kevin Durant.
Hey, listen, if we if we get rid of Draymond, will you stay? You know, can we reform this thing that way? Um, and its loyalty.
And that's cool.
And I'm sure in the moment the fan base really appreciates it.
And now, after next year, you're gonna be sitting there saying, Yeah, we can't make a lot of moves here.
We can't supplement are older talent now, and there's going to come a point where you fall off a cliff a little bit.
I think in Golden State and you're gonna have to go through potentially difficult rebuild and face that precipice of saying, Are we a major market team were in California, But are we major market like L A.
Is like New York is, because if we're not one Steph Curry and Klay Thompson go away.
Golden State could very well be into a very ambiguous stretch for that franchise.
Yeah, they're mean.
Like how some teams just get that.
You know, there's a last dance there.
There is There needs to be a point where you have a cut off point, you say Okay, this is where our window ends.
And that's a really hard thing, I think for most teams to dio, um you know, the Spurs didn't even really do that.
I mean, that was a little bit out of their control, but the Bulls did that.
The Patriots kind of did that.
It's like the Patriots punted and they realized All right, this is it.
We're done here with this exact window.
We'll see that pays off.
But You know, it's a really hard thing I think, to balance.
Maybe they have moves down the line, but they have been I mean, they've effectively just been coasting off of 2016 for the last four years.
You know, they got this was when they had Jerry West in the picture.
They were able to configure contracts so that they were able to sign Durant, and they rode off that.
And now it's like you're in a different you know, this is a new I guess area of being a GM for For Myers is trying to figure out Hey, when do I move dreamin? Cause you have to move, but I don't think you can keep him around.
25 million is just a huge hit on your books.
You already have Wiggins taking up a ton of room.
So you need to figure out a way to move one or both of those guys and decide which guy you'd honest.
And if you can't move both of them, you need to make a decision on which one you want to keep.
Because I don't think you keep both and then you need to figure out hair.
We in the market for a honest.
So we in the market for, you know, any of the other 2021 free agents, like kind of figure that out and they have a couple of some pick equity.
They have their pick this year and then Minnesota's pick next year in a really good draft.
So, um, it'll be an interesting stage for them.
One of my favorite conspiracies is that, uh, I don't know, even know why I'm bringing this up eyes that Bob Myers is not a good GM.
And and he hasn't.
So it's I don't know where I said this on Reddit or something like that, Um, that he's not a good GM and that they've been coasting up Jerry West since for however long since Jerry West left the team for the Clippers what, like 23 years ago? So it's a great one.
I love that little closing that the like.
I remember when, ah, when Mark Jackson was let go and Steve Kerr came in and they started winning.
It was like, Well, you're just coasting on Mark Jackson's roster, you know? So are you really like Steve Kerr? You really coaching any you really coaching? These guys are Are you just letting them do what they have been doing their entire careers? Yep.
And winning championships because you were certainly ahead of the curve just in terms of All right, let's go three dominant and see if anyone catch up to us.
You know, I was doing some other ah coverage on potential hires nets.
You know where they're looking for a head coach between wanting.
Well, thanks, sir.
Ah, and you look at it.
But but but some of them are really straightforward where it's like, ah, guy like Mark Jackson.
You go? Well, he coached, then got out of the league and hasn't been anywhere since.
And it's do obviously doing u N B A coverage as a commentator, but it's interesting how some of those guys you get these like red flags, almost where you go, had to stop and then never did anything again.
I didn't love the way Jason Kidd looked in Brooklyn in his one year.
He didn't necessarily show a lot of success in Milwaukee when I had arguably, by the way, I think you love this.
I don't think you target one by the way in terms of this was going off the rails or completely in terms of a franchise where I didn't love the head coach, even though I loved him as a player.
But I loved what he was.
I love that he had a conflict with the G m who I wasn't in love with based on the move that he had made, and I was also pretty much hoping that neither one of them was going to make it out of, and that's the way that's what it turned out.
But But in Jason Kidd's case, he goes to Milwaukee, and now he finds himself as an assistant coach.
So he's trying to keep his coaching career going.
It'll be really interesting to see if, say, Steve Kerr, right? Maybe the wheel starts come off a little bit In Golden State, they try to retool and curb moves on.
Is he a hot commodity around the N B A for another head coaching position? Or is it like you situation? We fit into there and that's it.
Likewise, for Draymond is a player, even though he's getting older.
Same kind of thing, right? You were a fit here you were valuable here.
I don't know if you're gonna have that same value.
I don't even, you know, I'd be hard pressed even with drank.
That says, How many teams are going to say? Well, take on that $25 million a year salary, even with a couple of you're gonna think you've probably a lot of draft capital to ship that contract off to a bad team, right? That doesn't think they're going to compete for the next years.
And that's a big ask for a team around the and yet, Yeah, I worry that That exact worry that you have about Raymond is how I feel about Wiggins. Teoh.
Yeah, it's funny, like it's so funny how team perception is everything.
So you know, Wigan's goes to the Warriors, and all of sudden you see all those positive press always looked really good.
Wow, he's a great cutter.
It's like, Yeah, he's a great actor.
Like he This is the guy he's been. He was.
Hey, this guy in the n.
A is a real athlete.
You believe he was the number one pick like he's a good cutter and he's really like he's really, really unstoppable when he gets his first step.
No, we saw that firsthand, Uh, in the first game of the season again, that's the Nets.
Like this dude was like challenging Jared out and winning, basically, every time, just by going off.
This one is, I think, just because the pet degree and defense just what he brings defensively and leadership, I guess you like the leaders, which you know you could pension depending on if it's actual leadership.
You like listening to music? Maybe not, but like this leadership, uh, you know, you could be an asset to another dude, but, well, it isn't like those saying, even in Golden State again, a head coach in question is like Is Steve Kerr, the head coach that develops Wiggins tryto wreck? Limit that project, you know, because that's the other thing, too.
Is Ah, again Kenny App Golden State a situation where it's like shooted effectively, which is probably why dreamin holds a little bit extra value there.
Yeah, I don't see.
I don't know, man.
I think that Draymond could easily find himself on enough of her team doing a lot of the same things that he does right now and having it go over incredibly differently because he's had this cushion of clay and stuff, like you said, Really nice guys who are like, Yeah, yeah, Dream on.
Don't Don't work pretty about that.
You don't just let it go and then you're gonna go somewhere else.
Young players, unproven players give you, like, is this guy You just came in here and shove a shot by here, playing in my ear buds out of my here.
What's happening here? You added a fee like this will never happen if he did this little like Kyrie or somebody like that.
I mean, you're the best.
One of the best locker room exchanges will be Draymond green Draymond green.
The Nets decided pick of the contract, walked to the locker room.
Tells tells Kyra, shoes or trash Next day, Fremont Green cut from Brooklyn.
Nets no longer going to be a part of championship run.
That that Oh, God.
They bring the amnesty clause back.
Well, dream on. Dream on.
Will city, uh, in a different.
He's had a long career in a different world.
He was almost signed by the Pistons to a max contract.
So, you know, he couple summers ago.
So, uh, he said it said an interesting, nice long career.
A very strange turn in the last two years.
For him, like decline, it 28 is kind of weird.
But guess when you're 66 and you're just thriving off every inch of athleticism that you have, then what can say, But it will be interesting.
He's interesting guy to keep track of, and that Warriors team is, you know, they're either in contention the next two years or they go the other way, and it's going to be like a very swift on the go rebuild.
Probably one of the more aggressive, like on the fly rebuilds that we've seen.
So do you think this is why we're so I don't Why can't stop asking questions? Do you think that in that swift real, Do you think they would dish Addison like it's the curry Klay Thompson? Is that a first scenario there where they don't finish their career there? It feels like no matter what, you can let them play out the string kind of blood unless you really feel like you can't and turn it over and revamp in another direction.
No, I think they keep those two there, and I just think that backward is just perfect.
Is there, like two players that fit better together, like they're up there? Like for how well they fit and how well they complement each other? Um, just that love full of three point shooting for especially with the where the league is going and wouldn't play, brings defensively that you just have to build around that And honestly, like from there, it's just about grabbing.
You have, like your backcourts taken care of.
That's something that a lot of teams can't figure out that the team, you know that we both are cut for Oh, is this?