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00:00:00
Pearson back in conjunction with collection points as we talk about an interesting one.
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This has a little bit of relevancy toe what is currently happening around the MBA.
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That 1992 Dream Team as ah Coney through Tony Ku coach his eyes and his experience that he had taking on Jordan taking on Pippen as well before we dive too deep into it.
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Interesting that we're in a time right now.
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We're unfortunately, we're not going to see whatever the US version of quote unquote our dream team would be this year.
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Right? Right.
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Ah, Corona virus has canceled the 2020 Olympics in Japan.
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Um, we had some speculation over who would play for team U.
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S.
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Say, who would represent, um, you know, our Dream Team of this year.
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But now we'll have to wait and see.
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Maybe 2021.
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Maybe not at all there.
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You know, there's some scepticism about whether the games will go on in 2021 as well, with the way that they talk about shuffling so much stuff right to get this CNB a season back online.
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Where does the draft fall for the agency? How does the new season start up, and all of a sudden all the scheduled start getting shuffled.
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So it's weird to think about how far out the ramifications of this could get extended, depending on what the league chooses to do.
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In orderto, I'm surprised how many players are into trying to wrap this season up.
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Still is that is a side note.
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Is that interesting to you at all? I mean, I guess it is just competitive juices, right? You wanted to finish it.
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It is something I have spent a lot of time thinking about because the MBA was in full swing in the second half of the season.
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And, um, you know, guys like LeBron, I understand the LeBron saying I'll never have closure if we don't end this season because he was able to pull off the heist of a D and getting a D to come to L. A.
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And they were rolling.
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He was looking like an M v p.
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Ah.
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It's unfortunate that this thing happens.
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This pandemic breaks out, and if we can't finish the season, we may never know in LeBron may never get back to the top again.
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You know who's to say a D returns a d put his house up in L. A. For sale.
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He might be, ah, making other plans, but it's something I've been thinking about for a while.
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Every week when we do the talking Nets podcast, we have to give an update on, you know, is there optimism of the season returning? And now the players know that after next Friday, their pay is going to start getting docked a little bit so that factors into guys wanting to play, they want game checks.
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They want to get paid.
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But I really do think there are at least five teams in the N b A.
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That think that they have a shot at winning a championship this year and they want to finish.
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They want to compete.
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They want to put AH champion on this 2019 2020 season.
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And when you think about that idea of a I'll say LeBron James, right legacy status, you may be taking away one opportunity to get a key chip.
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You don't know what will happen in the years to follow.
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So depending on where your on your career and maybe guys that haven't even won one yet, speculatively as well.
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Could be looking at one of a limited number of opportunities.
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So that's maybe the interesting backdrop to a lot of this as we up.
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Go ahead.
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I want to go ahead and pull up Just an image of what we're talking about here, through the eyes of Tony Ku.
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Coach Friends.
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What we What do we think about this little line? Operate here.
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This is that 1992 dream team roster.
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We'll get into Ah, uh ah, Crazy squad when you really think about it.
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Hall of Famers, Um I mean, you take Christian Leitner out, but I don't even like that.
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People try to district disrespect Christian late later.
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I'm a Duke guy. I'm a dupe fan.
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He belonged there, you know.
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He was a young guy.
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He belonged there.
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He was coming out of college.
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They had to put a young guy on their, um but yeah, this team no one was beating them.
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And I don't think anyone all time could beat them from the other Olympic teams.
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Like this team's crazy to even like think about you start to go through it will for and what's nice about this, too, is we're not getting the full picture.
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Or maybe you'd see where those shorts are riding up to back in the early nineties as well.
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But you think about the mix of players that you get there, right? I mean, this is Jordan at what? 30? I think this is Larry Bird at the back end of his career.
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But you still get him in there. Obviously, Magic Johnson.
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But Clyde Drexler just throw.
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You know, it almost feels like when you think about it, you can get down three or four players on this list before you realize.
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Oh, right, like Charles Barkley, Charles Barkley, looking slim and trim.
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Man, this is this is Charlie been withdrawals and you know the general, the admiral in David Robinson.
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Like this roster legitimately.
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I mean, it is a dream team of nb a talent that you think about having a guy like John Stockton running the point for you like the level of passing an execution and just, you know, watch that kind of stuff live had to have been otherworldly.
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And then this article on clutch boys goes into through the eyes of Tony Ku, Coach, she gets out there on the court, and we also have.
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I'll pull up those stat lines for him as well, because he actually held his own in what ended up being the last matchup that he had against Ah, go through, by the way, just briefly touch on it.
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You're talking about Robinson.
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A 26 you mentioned later is the 22 year old kid in there.
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But you in a 29 crime prime Pippen to 26 directly the 30 Nobody's really too far along here.
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Magic Johnson and Larry Bird er are kind of the elder statements of this roster.
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So even just in terms of the pairings of these players, you talk about all guys at the peak of their careers for the most part.
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But well, when we look at Tony Ku coach and some of those stat lines that he brought up, there's a lot of interesting things to pull out of this.
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That that first game that he plays against them just gives you four point, actually holds his own.
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When you talk about the final round there gives you 16 16 point performance.
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But you had that great quote from from not only from his side of things, but then also from Michael Jordan.
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Scottie Pippen's perspective, which ties in so nicely in the last dance right now, right? Yeah, In the article, Tony Ku coach goes on to say that.
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Ah, not Tony Ku, coach, but says during an interview for MBA TV's do***entary, The Dream Team, which most people have seen MBA TV runs that do***entary, I don't know every month, every year.
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But, he said, I think Jordan and Pippen said we weren't playing against Tony Ku Coach.
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We were playing against Jerry Krause in a Croatian uniform, which ties back into the last dance.
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Doc, who would have known that these guys had something to prove, and that Jerry Krause once again was the motivation they were trying to get at him.
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Improve a point that Tony Ku coach was nothing in them like Tony Ku.
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Coach was a great player.
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He was, um, a a part of the Bulls run.
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And you know, those guys loved him, I'm sure.
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But when they stepped out on the court, it was like who's going to guard him? And the fight was between Scotty and and Jordan off.
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No, I'm gonna take him you take him? No, I'm gonna take him.
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No, I want to take home like that's That's crazy to think about this.
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Is there really teammate? It says that you can.
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You want to be building a bond with to win championships and know what I need to do right now is if you're this guy on the court to send you said it before we started getting on here. The idea.
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That's how deep Krause was in their heads, right? I mean, that's how I can't imagine where the rest of the Ark is gonna go there.
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This feels like he's almost for Sunday's third and fourth episodes.
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You're talking about that.
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There's a demoralizing a young Tony true coach just to send a message to Kravis back home.
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It's such so interesting to think about the the level of mental power they were exerting out on a guy who had nothing to do with it.
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He was just he wasn't there.
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This is overseas, and you know this is in the summer and MBA is done and know they're going to send a message to Jerry Kraus watching at home that, you know Jordan and Pippen are the best, and, ah, you know, they're worth every dollar and Pippen worth more dollars and he was getting.
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But they're two of the best players in the world.
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They're the reason that the Bulls are super successful and all these other guys on the Bulls were just really role players.
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Um, and specifically in this instance, Tony Ku coach.
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Well, so And just to round out how Ku coach, look at it as well, he First of all, he says in the CPI article, I don't expect him to go that hard.
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You know, these kinds of guys like legit.
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You know, he's thinking, as he says he mentions in it.
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When I got there in 93 I understand the part because I had that privilege in Europe where young players had to prove themselves and you give them grief.
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It's just part of being a new guy, said so this goes into when he gets there in Chicago.
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But the end of the day he ends up saying that honestly, regardless of what Scotty said before going back to his time playing at the national team level, he was a huge help for me, especially that first year he was absolutely.
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It was actually also towards me.
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So they work it out, and then the bond gets formed on the back end in Chicago.
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But obviously no law.
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Love lost their at least initially in this matchup.
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Beyond, I guess what? This team accomplished there because I think that the natural place that you want to extend you mentioned at the top here.
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I don't know if there's any other assembly of players that you could put together to challenge this type of roster, this type of of talent at the peaks of their career.
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If we go inside the MBA right now, we've got some of those rankings up.
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It's interesting for a couple of a couple of reasons.
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Some of the highest level of town that you're going to see in the N. B.
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A is kind of a mixed bag in terms of where they're from.
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It's not all homegrown USA talent anymore.
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The European game has has integrated into our league as well.
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So as we roll through this and if you give it any thought, Teoh who you would stack up against the likes of Jordan and Pippen and all those guys in their prime because I don't know if there's a roster that you could say, like today's MBA right now.
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Who are you pulling there? There isn't one, and definitely not from the guys playing today, but the team that had Kobe LeBron, Carmelo Durant, D Wade.
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I think it was like the 2010 Olympic team.
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Maybe, um, that team, I think, just had the names and the collection of superstars and maybe potentially the talent.
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I think hard it might have been on the next team, but I think was 2000 and 10 that had LeBron Kobe Durant like those guys might be able to lose by, Ah, a couple buckets to this actual dream team.
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But we're looking at this N b A team or this MBA.
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Um, and who would have made up the Dream team? I don't know.
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You know, we got Kawai hard in, you know, Kyrie and we don't and we don't even know.
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Like I said, we don't know who would have played.
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You know, there was some rumors of Durant coming back, and as soon as those rumors started, some Nets fans and just MBA fans were like, you know, How is Durant going to suit up for the USA before he suits up for Brooklyn? And you know, that's all you know yet to be seen, But I don't think any other team stacks up.
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And I don't think these guys playing in the MBA now could could play with, uh, that 92 dream Team.
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There were a little rougher, tougher mawr experience, and they have Hall of Famers across the board when you start to roll through.
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Because, actually, I think I may.
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I may have actually accidentally pulled the feeble competition level.
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Ah, basketball for for the USA team.
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But we take a look about you think about the roster that was there in 92 relative to Coach K, and I'll go ahead and try to get this one up on the screen for everybody.
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You talk about a roster that looks something like this, you know, sitting out there you're talking about, you know, big dollars. There.
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You got Westbrook.
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You got Derrick Rose.
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Chauncey Billups is mixed in there, though.
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You see a little young Steph Curry and on the left corner.
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Ah, you know you've got Rudy Gay roommate back in the background.
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You see Kevin Durant Lee that? Yeah, that's Gioia Lamar Odom.
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Lamar Odom Right above them.
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So, you know, just a pola toe pull a 2010 roster of what was going out there.
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Listen, and these are all talented, eh? NBA players, quality careers.
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But there's a lot of these guys.
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You go.
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Oh, sorry.
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Sorry.
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No, no, no.
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You're not coming out there.
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You're not going out there against pimping and get indeed up by him in his prime and trying to make something happen.
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When you think back about these, the current any, Like you said I was highly that idea, you know? Here's on the top Ranking, guys.
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You got Kawhi Leonard, you honest? Sorry.
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Not that's not USA.
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You don't get to bring him along for Greece.
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Yeah, and you can talk about a step curry, I think I think LeBron James rounds out this roster.
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There's Jokisch.
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Don't think about pulling him into into the squad.
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Argue the six best in the league.
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Joel Embiid.
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No, sorry, friends.
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You got well in heaven either, you know? So I really started to think about what was interesting is some of the best talent that you maybe would want to assemble in today's MBA.
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We had that earlier stream today about Dame time.
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Are you gonna put James Harden, Damian Lillard Some of these smaller players that are Steph Curry Boy, man, you talk about the defense is set up the You could have there with some of the players on the 92 team.
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I always like to think that offense can get theirs, but lock down defense goes a long way to the interesting to think about defensive matchups and how some of these smaller players today would have a serious issue on the offensive end against a handful of those players even Barkley defending in and around the paint as well.
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I don't know if any of these guys could excel like that in some of those matchups, right? Yeah.
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I wouldn't put any money on these guys.
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We saw the dream team, doc, and we saw how hard they were competing against each other in practice.
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How they were fouling each other in practice.
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Lock down defense.
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Um, then they had some dogs on that team.
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The mailman, Sir Charles Ah, Patrick Ewing.
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David Robinson.
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Like those guys, you're not getting anything off on those guys.
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It's a different league Now.
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I've said it a bunch of times.
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The nineties MBA that we saw these guys playing was rougher and tougher, and, uh, these young boys would not want any smoke with that 1992 team.
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So I tried to.
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I tried to run through it real quick, and it was I came up with you.
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Okay, let's say Kyrie and Curry put your guard positions.
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Kyrie Curry, Beef, Veal Simmons, LeBron James, K G George Kwai.
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You know Davis and Cat like, even though cats not unsuitable, you look automatically finger.
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But I like I need some size in there, right? I got to do something with some of these bigger players.
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The interesting that I thought about two was right now it's saying, like, Is Mitchell a guy that you'd want to bring into that into that grouping of players? Is a guy like Kevin Love at this stage of his career, maybe actually, amore effective option for for what? That 92 team wasn't being having a little bit more meat on you.
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I think that's one of the interesting things to think about.
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Two is like assembling the best roster from today's MBA wouldn't be about necessarily the marked top 25 guys in the league.
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You have to be thinking about size, physicality, banging bodies like if I could, man, if I could pull.
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And then you know Shaquille O'Neal like you want that guy, right? I think you could have.
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Indeed, you'd love to have and be just for his size.
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If you could get Rudy Gobert, which you can't touch, you can't utilize him neither even a player that's up on there right now.
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A Draymond green might make some level of sense, even if it was just to irritate somebody for for a handful of minutes along the way.
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The other guy.
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Next time there is Jimmy Butler, I could see him having some real value in a matchup like that as well.
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Yeah, you couldn't go small against those guys.
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That would be a matchup nightmare if you went small and you went with the steps in the Damian Lillard's.
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I don't know if we have enough.
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Biggs.
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Blake Griffin is a USA basketball guy.
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We need him in there.
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Um, I don't know.
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I can't see it.
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I can't see this current MBA being able to beat the 92 team because, like you said, one the foreign players, you know, Luke is not gonna play for our team like he's out.
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Um, and then the size difference.
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You know, you just scroll past Kemba Walker like these guys are not gonna be able to match up against, um, you know, the bigger guards Scottie Pippen.
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Um, Jordan, who are whoever else was on that team? Everybody was, was a monster on that team.
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You wanna pull in? Kyle Lowry have that Muggsy Bogues kind of effects looking out there going to be affected, not gonna do anything.
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You know, talk about Vucevic's talking about Clint Capela, other names that you could Another you guys up there now is they're not coming.
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And we're in this, like top 30 35 of the N B.
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A.
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And we've already been on a rattle off.
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Probably 1/3 of those players are European or from from other countries that you wouldn't be able to pull in on.
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Um and not only that, man.
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Listen, let's go.
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Let's go home or on this and just think about for a second Azaz I completely blow you off the screen here for a minute.
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Let's think about ah ah player like our our own Brooklyn own, right? Ah, Nigerian national team is getting a hot is getting high commodity potentially because something these players that and I'm not saying that you would expect to see the entrepreneur expense urging witty on the USA team because they did not give him the invitation.
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But even he was checking out.
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He says, Listen, give you a passport, Let me out the door I'll go lead at point guard for the 90 year Giants here in national T potentially.
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Yeah, And I thought that was kind of weird when I found out that he didn't have really any connection in Nigeria.
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No Nigerian descent.
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But he's African Americans, so if it works, it works like hell.
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Blend in, right.
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He'll look right on the team, but that came out of nowhere.
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I saw Shami's dropped that tweet and Spence quote tweeted like, Oh, now you all know.
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But that that fits his personality.
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You know, he he felt snubbed that he didn't make the All Star team This year.
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He felt like he was an all star this year, and he didn't get that nod.
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And then they put together the U.
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S.
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A team invites, and he didn't get called into that.
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But he's still itch in the play and spends his brand.
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He's like he's like that, like antagonised.
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He's like that guy.
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He's just I don't know.
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He's like a a little pest like he's gonna he's gonna do the most he's going to say the most, he's going to try and get his way.
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So ah, he's trying to play for Nigeria.
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I don't know.
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I think Who else is who? They They said Maybe like Clint Capela is on that team, I could be wrong.
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There's another N b A player or maybe two or three that would be playing for Nigeria, that he would join.
00:17:51
Yes, it was actually interesting to think about this.
00:17:53
We'll get out of here on this week.
00:17:54
We've gone a little bit far field and that's all right.
00:17:56
Ah, when you think about that seemed in a couple of players there.
00:18:01
What I will say they're trying to pull this roster up is that if interesting to think about us, a bigot, a little taste of their own medicine, right, Because we're the tour, especially in international soccer.
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You talk about the U.
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S.
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A national team there were always looking around the world and going.
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Is that guy loosely possibly American getting a passport? Come on.
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He was He's sitting at the back of the bench playing no minutes.
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But if we get him on USA, he said he's a premier starter for us.
00:18:22
That felt a little bit like that as well.
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From that side of things.
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Nigerian basketball team.
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All right, let me just get into this real quick before we get out the door.
00:18:29
Because this is what I was interested in that you do get you get Aminu on this team you're gonna get Ah, you're also gonna get ouzo.
00:18:37
Your menus.
00:18:38
Oh, and where is the other big one, though? Not big one.
00:18:40
But oh, you get Joshua Koji.
00:18:42
So you get jobs coaches? Well, so that's what they were talking about, was yet to form that backcourt with Din Woody and Koji potentially.
00:18:48
And it was enough to say, like, Hey, it would make for some exciting games.
00:18:52
At least you're talking about putting out three starting n BA talents on taking on some of the likes of to tie it all back together.
00:18:59
Friends think about Jordan and Pippen going so hard.
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A ku coach.
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Well, I bet you'll see speech.
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See Spencer Dim Woody nipping at the heels of some people on the U.
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S.
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National team trying to prove his point.
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Like you said as he always trying to dio make a statement about something as he's been disrespected.
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It's probably this is the best thing for his career is that he always feels like he's being undervalued and underestimated audience of one.
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Got that chip on his shoulder Tech guy with a jumper.
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He's always out to prove something.
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I just don't think we're going to get any world basketball, any Olympic basketball.
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I don't even think they're gonna prove Spencer for this because, like I said when I when I first started, I was like, OK, maybe he's got some type of bloodlines or connection there, and then when it came out that he I didn't have any like African or Nigerian descent, I'm like, Okay, that that's not fair.
00:19:45
That doesn't That doesn't seem like something that's gonna go through just applying for it just taking. I check it out.
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He also hear a reply for Ireland's national team for Hungary's national team here.
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I think the one that got all the notoriety, but he had his.
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He had his toes in a lot of different pools.
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They're trying to get himself on a roster.
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Listen, as Keith said, that 1992 dream Team, man, you're not going to see that again.
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I don't know that collection of talent ever exist in that way at the n B.
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A level where you're talking about top to bottom, just being made up of old Hall of Famers, even the non Christian later at the college level.
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That's a thing of beauty that I don't know for going to experience an MBA.
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Players now obviously get pulled in a lot of different directions, so you don't get the same level of dedication that you did at that time.
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So it was interesting that do***entaries were checking out.
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If you have it, because that is just chock full of awesome stuff.
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I love that They replay that almost annually.
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Beyond that, though, man crew coach, listen, toughen up, toughen up, get the locker room championship for the Bulls.
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That's the lesson for Tony on that one, I think.
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CU coaches what, Like 50.
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Now he's like, All right, I'm done.
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That's in the past.
00:20:52
But yeah, nobody will ever match that 92 team.
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Which is why no team should call themselves a Dream Team superteam.
00:20:59
Yeah, but don't use the phrase dream Team because there's really only one.
00:21:04
You heard it from Keith. No more Dream Team.
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No more.
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Last dance, right? These are the two things that can make It doesn't want to hear anywhere in the n b A landscape four.
00:21:12
Keith McPherson myself.
00:21:13
Madam Margaret, Thanks for checking in with us.
00:21:14
We will be back soon talking all things nd a
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Toni Kukoc reflects on getting owned by Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen in 1992 Olympics

Every player has had their “welcome to the league” moment, but no European had it worse than Toni Kukoc. After getting drafted by former Chicago Bulls general manager Jerry Krause in 1990, Kukoc faced the fury of a Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen-led Dream Team in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. Kukoc recently recalled the beating […]

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Pearson back in conjunction with collection points as we talk about an interesting one.
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This has a little bit of relevancy toe what is currently happening around the MBA.
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That 1992 Dream Team as ah Coney through Tony Ku coach his eyes and his experience that he had taking on Jordan taking on Pippen as well before we dive too deep into it.
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Interesting that we're in a time right now.
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We're unfortunately, we're not going to see whatever the US version of quote unquote our dream team would be this year.
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Right? Right.
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Ah, Corona virus has canceled the 2020 Olympics in Japan.
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Um, we had some speculation over who would play for team U.
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S.
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Say, who would represent, um, you know, our Dream Team of this year.
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But now we'll have to wait and see.
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Maybe 2021.
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Maybe not at all there.
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You know, there's some scepticism about whether the games will go on in 2021 as well, with the way that they talk about shuffling so much stuff right to get this CNB a season back online.
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Where does the draft fall for the agency? How does the new season start up, and all of a sudden all the scheduled start getting shuffled.
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So it's weird to think about how far out the ramifications of this could get extended, depending on what the league chooses to do.
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In orderto, I'm surprised how many players are into trying to wrap this season up.
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Still is that is a side note.
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Is that interesting to you at all? I mean, I guess it is just competitive juices, right? You wanted to finish it.
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It is something I have spent a lot of time thinking about because the MBA was in full swing in the second half of the season.
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And, um, you know, guys like LeBron, I understand the LeBron saying I'll never have closure if we don't end this season because he was able to pull off the heist of a D and getting a D to come to L. A.
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And they were rolling.
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He was looking like an M v p.
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Ah.
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It's unfortunate that this thing happens.
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This pandemic breaks out, and if we can't finish the season, we may never know in LeBron may never get back to the top again.
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You know who's to say a D returns a d put his house up in L. A. For sale.
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He might be, ah, making other plans, but it's something I've been thinking about for a while.
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Every week when we do the talking Nets podcast, we have to give an update on, you know, is there optimism of the season returning? And now the players know that after next Friday, their pay is going to start getting docked a little bit so that factors into guys wanting to play, they want game checks.
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They want to get paid.
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But I really do think there are at least five teams in the N b A.
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That think that they have a shot at winning a championship this year and they want to finish.
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They want to compete.
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They want to put AH champion on this 2019 2020 season.
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And when you think about that idea of a I'll say LeBron James, right legacy status, you may be taking away one opportunity to get a key chip.
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You don't know what will happen in the years to follow.
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So depending on where your on your career and maybe guys that haven't even won one yet, speculatively as well.
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Could be looking at one of a limited number of opportunities.
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So that's maybe the interesting backdrop to a lot of this as we up.
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Go ahead.
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I want to go ahead and pull up Just an image of what we're talking about here, through the eyes of Tony Ku.
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Coach Friends.
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What we What do we think about this little line? Operate here.
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This is that 1992 dream team roster.
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We'll get into Ah, uh ah, Crazy squad when you really think about it.
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Hall of Famers, Um I mean, you take Christian Leitner out, but I don't even like that.
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People try to district disrespect Christian late later.
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I'm a Duke guy. I'm a dupe fan.
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He belonged there, you know.
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He was a young guy.
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He belonged there.
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He was coming out of college.
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They had to put a young guy on their, um but yeah, this team no one was beating them.
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And I don't think anyone all time could beat them from the other Olympic teams.
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Like this team's crazy to even like think about you start to go through it will for and what's nice about this, too, is we're not getting the full picture.
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Or maybe you'd see where those shorts are riding up to back in the early nineties as well.
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But you think about the mix of players that you get there, right? I mean, this is Jordan at what? 30? I think this is Larry Bird at the back end of his career.
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But you still get him in there. Obviously, Magic Johnson.
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But Clyde Drexler just throw.
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You know, it almost feels like when you think about it, you can get down three or four players on this list before you realize.
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Oh, right, like Charles Barkley, Charles Barkley, looking slim and trim.
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Man, this is this is Charlie been withdrawals and you know the general, the admiral in David Robinson.
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Like this roster legitimately.
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I mean, it is a dream team of nb a talent that you think about having a guy like John Stockton running the point for you like the level of passing an execution and just, you know, watch that kind of stuff live had to have been otherworldly.
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And then this article on clutch boys goes into through the eyes of Tony Ku, Coach, she gets out there on the court, and we also have.
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I'll pull up those stat lines for him as well, because he actually held his own in what ended up being the last matchup that he had against Ah, go through, by the way, just briefly touch on it.
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You're talking about Robinson.
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A 26 you mentioned later is the 22 year old kid in there.
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But you in a 29 crime prime Pippen to 26 directly the 30 Nobody's really too far along here.
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Magic Johnson and Larry Bird er are kind of the elder statements of this roster.
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So even just in terms of the pairings of these players, you talk about all guys at the peak of their careers for the most part.
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But well, when we look at Tony Ku coach and some of those stat lines that he brought up, there's a lot of interesting things to pull out of this.
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That that first game that he plays against them just gives you four point, actually holds his own.
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When you talk about the final round there gives you 16 16 point performance.
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But you had that great quote from from not only from his side of things, but then also from Michael Jordan.
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Scottie Pippen's perspective, which ties in so nicely in the last dance right now, right? Yeah, In the article, Tony Ku coach goes on to say that.
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Ah, not Tony Ku, coach, but says during an interview for MBA TV's do***entary, The Dream Team, which most people have seen MBA TV runs that do***entary, I don't know every month, every year.
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But, he said, I think Jordan and Pippen said we weren't playing against Tony Ku Coach.
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We were playing against Jerry Krause in a Croatian uniform, which ties back into the last dance.
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Doc, who would have known that these guys had something to prove, and that Jerry Krause once again was the motivation they were trying to get at him.
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Improve a point that Tony Ku coach was nothing in them like Tony Ku.
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Coach was a great player.
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He was, um, a a part of the Bulls run.
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And you know, those guys loved him, I'm sure.
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But when they stepped out on the court, it was like who's going to guard him? And the fight was between Scotty and and Jordan off.
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No, I'm gonna take him you take him? No, I'm gonna take him.
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No, I want to take home like that's That's crazy to think about this.
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Is there really teammate? It says that you can.
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You want to be building a bond with to win championships and know what I need to do right now is if you're this guy on the court to send you said it before we started getting on here. The idea.
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That's how deep Krause was in their heads, right? I mean, that's how I can't imagine where the rest of the Ark is gonna go there.
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This feels like he's almost for Sunday's third and fourth episodes.
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You're talking about that.
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There's a demoralizing a young Tony true coach just to send a message to Kravis back home.
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It's such so interesting to think about the the level of mental power they were exerting out on a guy who had nothing to do with it.
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He was just he wasn't there.
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This is overseas, and you know this is in the summer and MBA is done and know they're going to send a message to Jerry Kraus watching at home that, you know Jordan and Pippen are the best, and, ah, you know, they're worth every dollar and Pippen worth more dollars and he was getting.
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But they're two of the best players in the world.
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They're the reason that the Bulls are super successful and all these other guys on the Bulls were just really role players.
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Um, and specifically in this instance, Tony Ku coach.
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Well, so And just to round out how Ku coach, look at it as well, he First of all, he says in the CPI article, I don't expect him to go that hard.
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You know, these kinds of guys like legit.
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You know, he's thinking, as he says he mentions in it.
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When I got there in 93 I understand the part because I had that privilege in Europe where young players had to prove themselves and you give them grief.
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It's just part of being a new guy, said so this goes into when he gets there in Chicago.
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But the end of the day he ends up saying that honestly, regardless of what Scotty said before going back to his time playing at the national team level, he was a huge help for me, especially that first year he was absolutely.
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It was actually also towards me.
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So they work it out, and then the bond gets formed on the back end in Chicago.
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But obviously no law.
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Love lost their at least initially in this matchup.
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Beyond, I guess what? This team accomplished there because I think that the natural place that you want to extend you mentioned at the top here.
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I don't know if there's any other assembly of players that you could put together to challenge this type of roster, this type of of talent at the peaks of their career.
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If we go inside the MBA right now, we've got some of those rankings up.
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It's interesting for a couple of a couple of reasons.
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Some of the highest level of town that you're going to see in the N. B.
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A is kind of a mixed bag in terms of where they're from.
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It's not all homegrown USA talent anymore.
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The European game has has integrated into our league as well.
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So as we roll through this and if you give it any thought, Teoh who you would stack up against the likes of Jordan and Pippen and all those guys in their prime because I don't know if there's a roster that you could say, like today's MBA right now.
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Who are you pulling there? There isn't one, and definitely not from the guys playing today, but the team that had Kobe LeBron, Carmelo Durant, D Wade.
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I think it was like the 2010 Olympic team.
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Maybe, um, that team, I think, just had the names and the collection of superstars and maybe potentially the talent.
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I think hard it might have been on the next team, but I think was 2000 and 10 that had LeBron Kobe Durant like those guys might be able to lose by, Ah, a couple buckets to this actual dream team.
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But we're looking at this N b A team or this MBA.
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Um, and who would have made up the Dream team? I don't know.
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You know, we got Kawai hard in, you know, Kyrie and we don't and we don't even know.
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Like I said, we don't know who would have played.
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You know, there was some rumors of Durant coming back, and as soon as those rumors started, some Nets fans and just MBA fans were like, you know, How is Durant going to suit up for the USA before he suits up for Brooklyn? And you know, that's all you know yet to be seen, But I don't think any other team stacks up.
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And I don't think these guys playing in the MBA now could could play with, uh, that 92 dream Team.
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There were a little rougher, tougher mawr experience, and they have Hall of Famers across the board when you start to roll through.
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Because, actually, I think I may.
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I may have actually accidentally pulled the feeble competition level.
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Ah, basketball for for the USA team.
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But we take a look about you think about the roster that was there in 92 relative to Coach K, and I'll go ahead and try to get this one up on the screen for everybody.
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You talk about a roster that looks something like this, you know, sitting out there you're talking about, you know, big dollars. There.
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You got Westbrook.
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You got Derrick Rose.
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Chauncey Billups is mixed in there, though.
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You see a little young Steph Curry and on the left corner.
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Ah, you know you've got Rudy Gay roommate back in the background.
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You see Kevin Durant Lee that? Yeah, that's Gioia Lamar Odom.
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Lamar Odom Right above them.
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So, you know, just a pola toe pull a 2010 roster of what was going out there.
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Listen, and these are all talented, eh? NBA players, quality careers.
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But there's a lot of these guys.
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You go.
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Oh, sorry.
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Sorry.
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No, no, no.
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You're not coming out there.
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You're not going out there against pimping and get indeed up by him in his prime and trying to make something happen.
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When you think back about these, the current any, Like you said I was highly that idea, you know? Here's on the top Ranking, guys.
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You got Kawhi Leonard, you honest? Sorry.
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Not that's not USA.
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You don't get to bring him along for Greece.
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Yeah, and you can talk about a step curry, I think I think LeBron James rounds out this roster.
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There's Jokisch.
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Don't think about pulling him into into the squad.
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Argue the six best in the league.
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Joel Embiid.
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No, sorry, friends.
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You got well in heaven either, you know? So I really started to think about what was interesting is some of the best talent that you maybe would want to assemble in today's MBA.
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We had that earlier stream today about Dame time.
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Are you gonna put James Harden, Damian Lillard Some of these smaller players that are Steph Curry Boy, man, you talk about the defense is set up the You could have there with some of the players on the 92 team.
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I always like to think that offense can get theirs, but lock down defense goes a long way to the interesting to think about defensive matchups and how some of these smaller players today would have a serious issue on the offensive end against a handful of those players even Barkley defending in and around the paint as well.
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I don't know if any of these guys could excel like that in some of those matchups, right? Yeah.
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I wouldn't put any money on these guys.
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We saw the dream team, doc, and we saw how hard they were competing against each other in practice.
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How they were fouling each other in practice.
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Lock down defense.
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Um, then they had some dogs on that team.
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The mailman, Sir Charles Ah, Patrick Ewing.
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David Robinson.
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Like those guys, you're not getting anything off on those guys.
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It's a different league Now.
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I've said it a bunch of times.
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The nineties MBA that we saw these guys playing was rougher and tougher, and, uh, these young boys would not want any smoke with that 1992 team.
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So I tried to.
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I tried to run through it real quick, and it was I came up with you.
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Okay, let's say Kyrie and Curry put your guard positions.
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Kyrie Curry, Beef, Veal Simmons, LeBron James, K G George Kwai.
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You know Davis and Cat like, even though cats not unsuitable, you look automatically finger.
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But I like I need some size in there, right? I got to do something with some of these bigger players.
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The interesting that I thought about two was right now it's saying, like, Is Mitchell a guy that you'd want to bring into that into that grouping of players? Is a guy like Kevin Love at this stage of his career, maybe actually, amore effective option for for what? That 92 team wasn't being having a little bit more meat on you.
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I think that's one of the interesting things to think about.
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Two is like assembling the best roster from today's MBA wouldn't be about necessarily the marked top 25 guys in the league.
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You have to be thinking about size, physicality, banging bodies like if I could, man, if I could pull.
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And then you know Shaquille O'Neal like you want that guy, right? I think you could have.
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Indeed, you'd love to have and be just for his size.
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If you could get Rudy Gobert, which you can't touch, you can't utilize him neither even a player that's up on there right now.
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A Draymond green might make some level of sense, even if it was just to irritate somebody for for a handful of minutes along the way.
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The other guy.
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Next time there is Jimmy Butler, I could see him having some real value in a matchup like that as well.
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Yeah, you couldn't go small against those guys.
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That would be a matchup nightmare if you went small and you went with the steps in the Damian Lillard's.
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I don't know if we have enough.
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Biggs.
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Blake Griffin is a USA basketball guy.
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We need him in there.
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Um, I don't know.
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I can't see it.
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I can't see this current MBA being able to beat the 92 team because, like you said, one the foreign players, you know, Luke is not gonna play for our team like he's out.
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Um, and then the size difference.
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You know, you just scroll past Kemba Walker like these guys are not gonna be able to match up against, um, you know, the bigger guards Scottie Pippen.
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Um, Jordan, who are whoever else was on that team? Everybody was, was a monster on that team.
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You wanna pull in? Kyle Lowry have that Muggsy Bogues kind of effects looking out there going to be affected, not gonna do anything.
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You know, talk about Vucevic's talking about Clint Capela, other names that you could Another you guys up there now is they're not coming.
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And we're in this, like top 30 35 of the N B.
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A.
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And we've already been on a rattle off.
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Probably 1/3 of those players are European or from from other countries that you wouldn't be able to pull in on.
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Um and not only that, man.
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Listen, let's go.
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Let's go home or on this and just think about for a second Azaz I completely blow you off the screen here for a minute.
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Let's think about ah ah player like our our own Brooklyn own, right? Ah, Nigerian national team is getting a hot is getting high commodity potentially because something these players that and I'm not saying that you would expect to see the entrepreneur expense urging witty on the USA team because they did not give him the invitation.
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But even he was checking out.
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He says, Listen, give you a passport, Let me out the door I'll go lead at point guard for the 90 year Giants here in national T potentially.
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Yeah, And I thought that was kind of weird when I found out that he didn't have really any connection in Nigeria.
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No Nigerian descent.
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But he's African Americans, so if it works, it works like hell.
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Blend in, right.
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He'll look right on the team, but that came out of nowhere.
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I saw Shami's dropped that tweet and Spence quote tweeted like, Oh, now you all know.
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But that that fits his personality.
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You know, he he felt snubbed that he didn't make the All Star team This year.
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He felt like he was an all star this year, and he didn't get that nod.
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And then they put together the U.
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S.
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A team invites, and he didn't get called into that.
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But he's still itch in the play and spends his brand.
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He's like he's like that, like antagonised.
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He's like that guy.
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He's just I don't know.
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He's like a a little pest like he's gonna he's gonna do the most he's going to say the most, he's going to try and get his way.
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So ah, he's trying to play for Nigeria.
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I don't know.
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I think Who else is who? They They said Maybe like Clint Capela is on that team, I could be wrong.
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There's another N b A player or maybe two or three that would be playing for Nigeria, that he would join.
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Yes, it was actually interesting to think about this.
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We'll get out of here on this week.
00:17:54
We've gone a little bit far field and that's all right.
00:17:56
Ah, when you think about that seemed in a couple of players there.
00:18:01
What I will say they're trying to pull this roster up is that if interesting to think about us, a bigot, a little taste of their own medicine, right, Because we're the tour, especially in international soccer.
00:18:08
You talk about the U.
00:18:10
S.
00:18:11
A national team there were always looking around the world and going.
00:18:13
Is that guy loosely possibly American getting a passport? Come on.
00:18:17
He was He's sitting at the back of the bench playing no minutes.
00:18:19
But if we get him on USA, he said he's a premier starter for us.
00:18:22
That felt a little bit like that as well.
00:18:24
From that side of things.
00:18:25
Nigerian basketball team.
00:18:27
All right, let me just get into this real quick before we get out the door.
00:18:29
Because this is what I was interested in that you do get you get Aminu on this team you're gonna get Ah, you're also gonna get ouzo.
00:18:37
Your menus.
00:18:38
Oh, and where is the other big one, though? Not big one.
00:18:40
But oh, you get Joshua Koji.
00:18:42
So you get jobs coaches? Well, so that's what they were talking about, was yet to form that backcourt with Din Woody and Koji potentially.
00:18:48
And it was enough to say, like, Hey, it would make for some exciting games.
00:18:52
At least you're talking about putting out three starting n BA talents on taking on some of the likes of to tie it all back together.
00:18:59
Friends think about Jordan and Pippen going so hard.
00:19:02
A ku coach.
00:19:03
Well, I bet you'll see speech.
00:19:04
See Spencer Dim Woody nipping at the heels of some people on the U.
00:19:06
S.
00:19:07
National team trying to prove his point.
00:19:08
Like you said as he always trying to dio make a statement about something as he's been disrespected.
00:19:13
It's probably this is the best thing for his career is that he always feels like he's being undervalued and underestimated audience of one.
00:19:21
Got that chip on his shoulder Tech guy with a jumper.
00:19:24
He's always out to prove something.
00:19:26
I just don't think we're going to get any world basketball, any Olympic basketball.
00:19:31
I don't even think they're gonna prove Spencer for this because, like I said when I when I first started, I was like, OK, maybe he's got some type of bloodlines or connection there, and then when it came out that he I didn't have any like African or Nigerian descent, I'm like, Okay, that that's not fair.
00:19:45
That doesn't That doesn't seem like something that's gonna go through just applying for it just taking. I check it out.
00:19:50
He also hear a reply for Ireland's national team for Hungary's national team here.
00:19:55
I think the one that got all the notoriety, but he had his.
00:19:58
He had his toes in a lot of different pools.
00:19:59
They're trying to get himself on a roster.
00:20:01
Listen, as Keith said, that 1992 dream Team, man, you're not going to see that again.
00:20:08
I don't know that collection of talent ever exist in that way at the n B.
00:20:12
A level where you're talking about top to bottom, just being made up of old Hall of Famers, even the non Christian later at the college level.
00:20:22
That's a thing of beauty that I don't know for going to experience an MBA.
00:20:25
Players now obviously get pulled in a lot of different directions, so you don't get the same level of dedication that you did at that time.
00:20:31
So it was interesting that do***entaries were checking out.
00:20:34
If you have it, because that is just chock full of awesome stuff.
00:20:36
I love that They replay that almost annually.
00:20:39
Beyond that, though, man crew coach, listen, toughen up, toughen up, get the locker room championship for the Bulls.
00:20:44
That's the lesson for Tony on that one, I think.
00:20:47
CU coaches what, Like 50.
00:20:48
Now he's like, All right, I'm done.
00:20:51
That's in the past.
00:20:52
But yeah, nobody will ever match that 92 team.
00:20:55
Which is why no team should call themselves a Dream Team superteam.
00:20:59
Yeah, but don't use the phrase dream Team because there's really only one.
00:21:04
You heard it from Keith. No more Dream Team.
00:21:06
No more.
00:21:07
Last dance, right? These are the two things that can make It doesn't want to hear anywhere in the n b A landscape four.
00:21:12
Keith McPherson myself.
00:21:13
Madam Margaret, Thanks for checking in with us.
00:21:14
We will be back soon talking all things nd a

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