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Get to dive in a little bit here and this is a fun one.
I think Teoh start to go wait on it when we look back to last year and talk two years two years ago now, right, Daimler taking a huge shot, sending home the Oklahoma City thunder the Deep three.
And we're gonna touch on maybe the evolution of that.
But let's start with our there.
The shot Keith, What do you remember from from that night from that game and from some of the players? Maybe on the back end? It's always Dame time.
It's always Dame time, Dame dolla.
The thing about that shot is that he practiced.
I shot a lot, and umm, he's spoken on how his trainer even had, you know, had him focusing on, like, taking a deep shot like that.
If that is in your game, if that is in your ****nal and that is your home court that you play on more than anyone else that he probably gets more shots up than anyone else.
Um I want to say that like the whole Paul George statement afterwards, That's what killed me because you're sitting on the poetic podium after losing the game and you're saying that's a bad shot And, yes, basketball in basketball terms, that's a terrible shot.
The percentage of making that shot is low.
You're never gonna be coached to take that shot in a game, especially with the game on the line.
But I think the game was tied when he took that shot, like wasn't like if he missed, they were gonna lose.
So for Dame dolla, that was his moment.
That was his time. He's cold blooded.
And for Paul Pierce, that was a great shot.
It was a bad shot until they hit bottom.
It was a great shot.
Once it ended, the Series ended the game and sent you packing.
Ah, Matt, is there anything T that point of should players avoid saying things like the sun was in my eyes? That's kind of what that policy or statement feels like, right? Like I was my laces.
There was something else that happened there.
It's not just about what you did knocking me out, right? Yeah, I mean, like, I don't I just don't know.
I don't see the upside for that comment.
Like, it's somebody gonna be there.
Be like, Oh, good point.
You're in the clear, then, Like, that was a really bad shot.
Like no one's gonna do that.
So I don't understand the upside.
I never understand stuff like that.
I'm like, dude, you lots, like, just be like, Hey, that was a great shot.
You know, I wasn't ready for it or something like that.
Or wow, you know, you don't see that too often.
Don't like I'd be like, Oh, that's a bad shot.
Like as if it's Danes fault for making that shot.
Like it's just a weird comment.
I think we're gonna send Okay, see through You know what? You gotta sound point there.
I don't know if Dean was planning on that going in.
So you're probably right in that sense to when you pull it back a little bit from the standpoint of that shot, right? You said it, Keith.
This is something that Dame started to introduce into his game and really make it a part of his repertoire.
The bigger question is Steph Curry kind of gets tagged as being the guy that introduces this type of range, this type of shot into the n. B A.
Do you think that because it is really a relatively small group of players that try to utilize this and utilize it with consistency? Does Steph Curry deserve the credit for that? Is faras bringing this into it? Cause it seems like a guy to connect It may be to today's nb a tray.
Young is young enough and far enough removed from Steph Curry's career.
Now that you can say this is a guy that probably saw this happening and said, OK, I'm gonna start making this a part of what I do is I worked through high school college and then make it to the pros cause he comes in Day one taking those kind of shots.
Yeah, I think Steph does deserves all the credit.
He changed the league. He changed.
How little kids look at the league.
There's thousands, hundreds of thousands of little kids with 30 warrior jerseys.
You know, Steph Curry jerseys because of his style of play.
And then, even if he said Trey Young Trey Young definitely watched his career and got to see.
Okay, there's a guy in the N b.
A change in the league that can consistently hit these 35 footers for almost 40 foot three point shots.
And you have to respect it.
And you have to give Steph his his just due, because before him, there wasn't really that many people chucking up shots like that.
And he did it and he did it effectively and they won championships and he won MVP's.
So I think you give stuff all the credit in the world for She would like that.
Like when you when you look at other shooters like a Reggie Miller or Ray Allen, you don't talk about these guys shooting 40 foot shots.
Um, you look at Steph.
Steph does it in warm ups. He doesn't in games.
He does it in the finals.
He's an M V p with it.
So yeah, I think you give stuff a lot of credit for that.
One thing I wanna add is like it also makes certain guys resumes more attractive.
Like Darius Garland came in and, like Darius Garland, didn't haven't exactly great rookie year, but he was taking these like 30 whatever, like 30 foot bombs like shots from half court, and he was making about him. Okay, Clip.
But that's kind of what people are working off of now.
Like that's still like the front and center of his resume.
So not only Curry has made that something that players do, but it's actually like a really attractive trait now, where you're like in this certain class of guys that do that, because I think that otherwise, without those shots like that, Garland was making or making a decent clip like, I don't know what there is to pull off of with his rookie year.
So, um, not to cut you off, but it is.
It is a trend in the MBA.
It's even a flex where you look at a guy like LeBron right.
We saw LeBron from hit a shot from the logo this year and like point to the logo and like chuck up a shot from the logo, and it's like a flex to be like I'm one of those guys that can do that at the n B.
A level in game like not warmups, shoot from the logo and nail the three like I'm not afraid to take that shot.
Well, that feels a lot like almost like dunks, right? Reverse dunks or a certain style that existed in the N B A.
For a long time and still there.
But this may be that next piece of its your point.
Hey, I can do that.
You think you can one up me, Steph Curry or into these players because you know, there is that type of, ah, chip on the shoulder.
Wanna have bragging rights? In that sense, put a pin in the in the lasting impact on this.
Do you think I'll start with Matt? Do you think that this is a, ah, a sustainable thing for players? Because there's an idea of Well, James Harden was already a fantastic player.
Dame Lillard already.
You know, these guys were established N b A talent.
Is there an echelon of player, A tier of player that maybe is gonna try to do this to improve what they're resonate? Looks like coming to the n b A.
And maybe actually end up doing themselves damage, as opposed to having an all around game that can keep you on a bench on a roster keep you in the league? Um I mean, it depends.
I think, that I think the guys will always kind of find ways to figure out what they're good at.
So in a sense, you know, I the only thing that you would worry about is like if a guy like in his, like, whatever developmental process, whether that's as like a high school player, college player, even a professional player, he's spending too much time trying to, like, you know, work on this this 30 foot game when it just isn't gonna happen for him, so you could worry about that.
But I do think that guys, we're eventually gonna figure out where they're good from on the court.
I just think it's eventually gonna happen.
For most guys, it might not happen for everybody.
So in a way, you're just expanding the court a little bit.
Luckily, these really deep shots, they're worth at least one point more than things inside the Ark.
I mean, eso the payoff is worth the idea of at least trying it, Um, and you actually are.
I mean, when you cross half court, unless it's like, you know, games.
You know, Game four through seven of, ah, playoffs.
Siri's. That's the regular season, guys.
We're gonna pick you up depending upon who you are.
But it's, you know, you'll have to build a little bit of a name for yourself.
So those shots might be open.
It might not be the worst idea to figure out.
Hey, can I actually make shots from 30 feet out? Oh, I can.
I'm gonna start doing that.
I don't know. I don't see the downside of it personally.
And Keith, do you think that Ah, is it weird that some MBA players just don't have what it feel that these guys like? They're not the strength to make that shot right? Something one of the forum on those long shots looks a lot different, depending on who the player is.
And you know that everybody in the league and throw it from 3/4 court from full court.
And yet some guys look a lot more smooth like a Steph Curry.
And maybe this is that repetition of building up that skill set.
But they look natural, shooting from that far away where other guys are like there's a chance I can.
I can heave this thing hard bank or, you know, dribble off front rim.
But there's does seem to be a difference there as well, in terms of natural ability to build towards that.
Yeah, it's not for everybody.
Um, and like I said, it's changed the game.
It's changed how young guys are practicing the game.
We shouldn't see 10 year old kids playing rec basketball of chucking up 30 foot three point shots, but they are because they want to be like Steph now in the n b A.
Steph Yes, Damian Lillard? Yes.
This on Moussa do not come in the game and took up a 40 yard 40 40 foot three point shot like It's not for everybody.
Uh, when we pull back and think about now lasting impacts from this, it's interesting they talk about Has it completely changed the game in the short term? I think Yes, right, because you're talking about you see the way these guys are expanding out, but there's other areas.
When you think about without man, I don't want to say his name, but do you think about Jordan and that era, right? He comes out at six foot six, and the perception is, will you need Biggs to dominate in this game? You think about a Shaquille O Neal in his prime, but a center coming out now who is exclusively in the paint who can't make a free throw who has no perimeter game? That would be a much different fit in today's n B A.
So you know, these shifts come in waves.
I think at this level, and I just wonder, is it now? Because indeed would be, I think, the comparable big from generation to generation.
And he has that perimeter shot right.
He is not going to go down and exclusively bang bodies in the pain.
Will we ever see a shift back to an under the basket? Big in that way? Because this is, I think, a direct correlation.
Right? As these wider shots get made, it feels like every position goes well.
I can extend my range a little bit.
Will we ever see that shift back inside? Or is the athleticism of the league just really changing how guys develop and prepare for the MBA level? I'll grab this.
I think that's a great question.
I do think that I mean, when you're But if you're, like an all time great, like a shack or somebody like that, yeah, that's always gonna translate.
I mean, Embiid, When When Embiid, Everybody.
It compares those two just because of the weight.
I mean, envies like the last, like, old school pig and a lot of ways unless you consider Yokich in that category, which I could get into.
But that's a weird niece.
Take, um, I, uh I think it would absolutely translate.
I mean, you watch games and beat is the best player on the floor In a lot of games.
When he's been on healthy, you know he's motivated.
He can easily be the best guy on the floor.
Um, and that's somebody who isn't even a close to its physically dominant.
It's Jack. So if you have another shack, yes.
But if it's like I'm trying to think of a good one like Andrew Bynum or somebody like that, like maybe that it's only the top tier guys that are really gonna do that.
It might not be as big of a floor, in a sense, so, you know, I I don't know if it's gonna be as easy for someone who isn't like an elite, elite, elite post player to, um, to sort of make their presence known and make that a sustainable way of leading a team in a lot of ways.
So Bynum key finding should have had that perimeter shot right? That would have been him, him that would have him saying he needs to shooting from the outside.
You never fully dominant under the basket. That's a weird.
That's a weird headspace to get him to talk about his skill.
Sent you your picture in? Yeah, Bynum was in the league, a different league, you know, He was in a different style of MBA, and, you know, he had his run for a little while.
He was a guy that came out of high school, and he was dominant for a short amount of time.
But I don't think he was ever in the gym practicing his his three consistently.
Now we have guys like you, said Embiid.
It's Ah, Splash Mountain Brook Lopez, A guy that can shoot the three.
Um, then we have Jared Allen when he shoots the three.
Um, it's not something I want to really see these bigs doing, But I do feel like the MBA is too far gone.
It would be years before we see the game change where it goes back to what we're used to from the center position.
So you talked on Brook Lopez just briefly.
What is a life will favor the Nets organization did developing his parental three point shot **** before he left.
I mean, he has changed his career entirely.
And at the time, you never thought it was possible that last season with the Nets were like, Oh, my God, Look with you can. All right.
Thanks a lot, buddy. See you later.
I loved watching him go off and dropped eight threes.
And then he leaves and they start calling him Splash Mountain.
And I'm like nobody was calling him Splash Mountain in Brooklyn.
You know, Mountain is something else.
That from the perimeter.
Thank you also, but you mentioned some of those guys that fall in between.
They're never going.
Jared Allen is another great example, right? This is a guy that now comes in you're like, Well, you're not a true center, cause you're not really big enough.
If you're playing at the four, you don't quite have the perimeter game.
There is a feeling there still this transitional period for a lot of players that maybe you're getting lost in the shuffle of saying, Well, if you don't do something pretty dominantly, I don't know where to slot you in.
Now he's does a great job on the glass at both ends of the floor.
Certainly he's still young, but it also a handful of years ago, Jared Allen would be viewed in a much different way out of the gate as opposed to where he sits.
Now, as we're gonna bring in DeAndre Jordan and you're gonna get into this mixed bag in terms of shared minutes and stuff.
So there's also that aspect to write that guys that are getting that are falling into this kind of mishmash category where you don't know how you should identify them anymore because there isn't a traditional big spot and because their skills aren't quite elevated there, well, I'm gonna pick one guy like DeAndre.
Ayton is, I think, a really good example of like a guy that I think we would just on Lee talk about his prose, like 10 years ago.
You know his ability to I mean, he stretches a like to like, 15 feet out, but his ability to like bully guys and just be an athletic, uh, just total nightmare.
But instead, like a lot of the chatter, and I don't know if it's all fair is about his defense, about the way he protects the rim.
Is he gonna be able to shoot threes? A lot of it turns into that.
I think that he's the guy where he's right on that threshold, where 10 years ago I think it would be a lot of chatter about his prose, and now it's like, Yeah, but is this guy worked the number one pick? I don't know.
It's It's I think it's something's changed in the last 10 years and it's obviously because of the three point movement and everything.
The way defense is work now, Um, he's a guy that I think it's dissected in a way that I don't know if it would have been like that, you know, back even eight years ago, little more tearing down unnecessarily building you go.
Oh, my God, look at look at all these attributes entirely.
Unfortunately, he doesn't necessarily slot in.
Tie it in back to Steph Curry in this three point shot in the way it impacts the MBA.
Let's think about not just the fact that okay, the range has been extended now, right? And I often try to think about a player like Curry where maybe, he says, based on my size, my skill set right.
I'm almost creating a better opportunity for myself by drawing out a defender and putting myself in a more isolated opportunity where there's not gonna be a many chances for help defense, etcetera.
Behind that play when Steph Curry gets picked up just across half court now, you're also talking about spacing on the floor right, because now it's not five guys settling in and around the arc and meaty inside of now it's just four.
Now you're still talking about multiple other perimeter shooters and the bigs extending that out so that the spacing has changed a lot in the game.
Keith is, er what, just to that point in terms of not just the shot from distance.
It's also how it's impacting defense and how they need to approach setting themselves up.
Yeah, the threat of the shot is there, too, you know? So it's like with Steph.
He comes across half court.
He's he's money.
He's good from a soon as he steps across half court, you've got to defend him out there.
But then, like you said, the spacing changes and then Steph can dribble the ball.
He couldn't shake guys up.
He can cross guys up and leave him back there.
And then you don't drive and dish drive to the hoop and make a layup.
So, like it, it has changed the spacing.
It's it's changed the way that guy's gotta defend.
And a lot of these guys don't even they're not even gonna playing defense.
They don't want to play defense, so it's like, pick your poison.
You're gonna let Steph shoot a 40 foot shot or you're gonna get crossed up and beyond, You know, House of highlights the next day.
And there's a bit of that to Matt, right? Like I mean n b A guys, we're pretty proud, right? When they get crossed up or you know, they give them.
They get made to look bad on the court.
That is not something that they're looking to do.
So when you get out there in isolation, you're also talking about its just your now, man.
So that's what I'm your DeAndre Jordan taught him.
It's always Brooklyn here, but he doesn't get outside the paint.
Yeah, he wants no part of getting caught cement footed or shuffling his feet, getting caught on his heels so he'd rather hold the hand from distance from a feet away and, you know, give it up.
Take that shot than risk making.
Being looked to be a fool on the outside.
Play the percentages, you know, Let him shoot that and hope versus, Like I don't know, it goes back toe How we said, Like the dunk, the in game dunk, the windmill dunk or a ridiculous dunk is the same thing.
Almost as like a 40 foot three.
It's like if you can do it in in game props to you.
And then when you look at the defensive side, nobody wants to get ah, 40 foot shot drilled in their face.
No one wants to get crossed up, and no one like for **** sure wants to get posterized like those were like the three things in the MBA.
It's like, you know, get out of the way.
And I think the last thing that we can get out on here is probably Steph Curry, Phenomenal player, phenomenal talent.
I think the next evolution that will come from this as well as a guy, they say, like LeBron James, right? The next generational talent that that is bigger can do all the things on the inside, can drive the length and use all that strength and then also has cause Right now it's a fairly the smaller class, right? A lot of the guards air utilizing this shot from deep as this starts to extend to some of those bigger players that come in with that athletic skill set.
Now you're talking about, you know, really murderous kind of challenge to say LeBron James, if he came in from day one in his nd a career and said, I'll pull up from three steps across half court and also, if you want to come out and check me, Seth Curry can get past you, but not the way that LeBron should do it right.
Watch him come barreling down the lane when he has half court build up to that.
Is that something, Matthew, That you anticipate happening, you know, coming down the pike here, over the next sample of yours? Um, perhaps.
I mean, I The one thing I will say is like for a guy like LEBRON, especially when you're in high school and, you know, even I mean, I guess if if guys I don't even know if guys are going to be on a college, that's a completely different issue.
But, uh, But for a guy like LEBRON, or like a Zion, these guys air so athletic that they just there's a lot of times they don't even need to develop a three point shot.
They don't bother to, because you know what? They're just gonna cruise off their God given abilities to bully just about everybody in their paths.
It's really until they get to the league.
I actually think that that is a trait that really won't change in a lot of ways.
Um, you know, and that's something that you're going to dig in and find yourself as you're entering adulthood for a lot of these guys.
It might be just a maturity thing.
So I don't anticipate that if it does, my goodness, we're all in for a treat.
I mean, but I kind of like it.
I like the idea of having guys come into having to work on their three point shots, because that way you know that they have honed.
I mean, think about LeBron is now. He's one of the best.
It's he's putting up all time post numbers right now.
Zion was just incredible in the post so far this year, hunting down mismatches.
I'm like, I want you to come in and be so good at this already.
And then if you add the three point shot, it's an added bonus.
Um, maybe that's just me being, you know, I have just I'm like, right on the edge of the old school mentality and this three point movement.
I'm like, right in the middle there in terms of my age.
So maybe that's just me getting a little taste of both.
But I would I would open doesn't change too much.
It would be fun, but I don't know.
I like guys having to work on something when they come in.
Oh, for sure, because it's always nice to see to write, like how the player changes over his career, not just where he starts from.
I guess they're that close out on the keys.
Do you think that there's just something to the fact that you're LeBron James in high school ecology and you could only develop so much of your skills, right? So if you dedicate X amount of your time developing a three point shot, if something is probably going to suffer and whether or not you end up being a more balanced player from all aspects, and then you elevate gradually in the N b A versus saying okay, there's something that I want to bring along over the first few years, but I'm gonna be dominant in two or three phases.
Yeah, and for LeBron, you know, he went from playing the high school game and had to change his game once he got in the MBA, and he was playing in a different MBA when he first came in.
Then he had to develop his shot.
Now he's got to keep up with this MBA where, like I said he's shooting from the logo in the Staples Center, but the guy that we're talking about, the guy that we're thinking off, we're just missing from the MBA right now.
Is the guy that can come across half court and fire the deep three.
He can also take you off the dribble.
He's seven foot, could dunk the Balkan do whatever he wants, can look at any defense, break it down and find his best shot.
We've just forgotten because we haven't seen it.
So que de coming soon.
You know what? That's actually, that's That's no joke is probably the best naturally suited to take on the next the next phase of the MBA.
So something to look forward to for Brooklyn fans.
And in the meantime, if we could have thrown up the shack in a full name on Paul George, I guess that should have been the way it was.
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