What's going on, everybody? My name is Ray, and I'm coming to you here on SportsCastr.
And you got a treat tonight cause we got the entire NFL crew here from the SportsCastr.
I got Lawrence beside me, Joe on the far right.
So, guys, and today we're gonna be talking about an article that came out on clutch points called the remaining NFL free agents highlighted by former number one draft picks.
Shane Mikel had written that when this is all done and over estas you go read the article.
The boys there are a lot of free agents laughed that I think if I told you a year and 1/2 ago these guys were gonna be free agents heading into the draft, you would have thought I was crazy.
And I think that the top three that kind of you know, that top shelf climb we got J B in J.
David Clowney, Cam Newton and Jamis Winston.
All free agents crazy.
With the draft coming tomorrow, we should not expect any of them to be signed until after the draft.
What do you think is going on? Why are they not there? Lawrence, why don't we start with you and then we'll go to Joe like in those three big names.
Why are they not signed a contract yet? Well, I think a couple of them, like the two quarterbacks, I think a lot of that has to do with the Cocotte 19 situation where they can't get in, um, and actually do workouts with teams, especially someone like Cameron Newton, who, actually, you know, he's had shoulder surgery.
And then he then he had the ankle injury in the Patriots game in preseason, only lasted a couple games during the season before he was set down.
So teams really want to look at some of these guys, especially Cam Newton, to make sure that he's still healthy, still able to be mobile and throat through the football.
Well, um, and that's that's my opinion on Cam.
When it comes to Jamis, a lot of people are a little afraid, probably a little bit of those 30 interceptions.
I mean, I can't really blame him, so I think I think there's reasons for those.
I think, the style of offense being that he was in a Bruce Arians style offense, where you have to sit back and throw deep a lot.
And they had those two wide receivers so he could throw deep a lot.
But I think that is a little bit worrying.
So, you know, again, situation cope with 19 can't get in, do work out, see what he brings to the table.
And in my thought on Jadeveon Clowney is I think you heard himself winning a little too much money a little too early.
Enough That last point about Clowney men Because let me just say I've been like I really wanted clowning on the Ravens when the whole, you know, the whole situation started and I'm like, Well, I mean, he's coming into his prime.
He's 26 He's gonna turn 27 years old and, you know, he brings value not only as a pass rusher, but as a run stopper, and he's always in the back field, Which is why, you know, when people bring up his sack numbers, he only had three sacks this past season, and that's like a big issue with people.
But the rial, the reality is that he is a game breaker.
I'm very surprised that nobody has signed him, but probably teams air like, you know what? You don't bring much, you know, rushing the passer since he only had three sacks.
So we're not going to give you 22 million, which is what you're asking for.
It's just ridiculous.
So I think that the price tag, like you said, that's a big reason.
And Jamison Cam, I mean, it's I I think the situation right now is that not a lot of teams need quarterbacks plain and simple.
And the teams that do, you know, like the Patriots, possibly, or, I mean, I really don't know who else is needing a quarterback right now, but, uh, you know, they don't really have that much cap space to sign a Cam Newton, uh, Jamis Winston.
And And if there's some teams that do have the cap space, do you have a spot for them? Our Cam and Jamie's gonna start.
And I don't know if those guys with their personalities would be willing to be a backup, you know, I mean, like, Cam Newton has been the guy for his whole career.
So now if you just tell him you know what, get on the bench, buddy.
I don't think it like that, Jamis.
I mean, yeah, of course. The 30 interceptions.
It's Ah, yes, that's a real issue.
But it's a risk, man.
So I could see why James hasn't been signed as well.
But it's crazy that they're they're still available for sure.
So I'm kind of on the same page, Is you guys, I think Jadeveon Clowney is asking for too much money.
I'm the same with you, You know, as a Patriots fan, I would take him in a heartbeat.
I'm sure you take him on the Ravens.
I'm sure you take him on the Colts.
I mean, he's a game changer.
Um, you know, you could say, Well, there's a reason Houston got rid of him.
But, you know, there's no reason that they got rid of DeAndre Hopkins, so I can't take anything that they do. Serious.
I'll get in the Cam Newton and James in a second.
I want to read you guys a quote here and this is from John Schneider of the GM of the Seahawks, where obviously, he finished his days last year, and I think when it comes down to the money.
I think it's where you guys nail on the head, he said.
Um, quote, you know, we made an effort to re sign him.
The door is not closed, but we couldn't wait any longer, so we had to conduct business.
He knew that everything was very cordial.
We had great conversations.
He's just going to feel his way through this odd process, and we'll see what happens from there.
So I think what happened was he did this.
And I hate relating back to the Patriots because I try to keep myself objective and away from my fandom.
But that's the easiest way for me to explain things.
A few years ago, Devin McCourty wanted big money and ballot checks That Okay, why don't you go explore the open market? See? Will give you the money.
And the McCourty came back and signed with the Patriots, and Donte Hightower did the same thing, you know? Hey, go explore the market.
Let's see if anybody will give you that money, they wouldn't That was comparable to what the Patriots were offering, and they came back obviously different.
What happened with Tom Brady this year because of pages were not going to give him $60 million.
Good for you TV and on we go.
But, ah, when it comes to Jamis Winston, I think the 30 interceptions is a big problem.
I mean, you're talking a former number one.
You're talking a Pro Bowler.
He was Rookie of the Year as well, I believe, Right? Jamis Winston, I think, was offensive rookie of the year.
Remember, to be honest, but sure, he's got a He's got a list of accolades and I mean yeah, through 30 interceptions last year, But he was also the league leader in yards, right? Buying and attempts and completions.
Yeah, but that Tampa defense isn't as bad as it looked.
And when your defense is on unnecessarily, when they should be on resting, they're going to get tired.
They're going to start the falter.
Look at San Francisco in the Super Bowl, the fourth quarter.
Some of that was my homes and not take it away from him.
I'm not that kind of guy, you know.
I mean, Mahomes is a freakin nature.
Take it away from him and it's on my homes is a freakin nature by that defense you saw Richard Sherman gets beat by Sammy Watkins.
Rocket's wasn't getting around him all day.
The more your on the field.
Suddenly, Jimmy G is going three and out.
Three and out, three and out.
You start getting tired near the end of the games.
That's where you know the Patriots are always famous, right? Keep him on the ropes.
Keep it close till the fourth tire, the melon and bang.
It happened in Atlanta and the Super Bowl.
We've seen it time and time again.
Peyton Manning was famous for it, you know? I mean, keeping them on the ropes until they had nothing.
And then boom, you know, strike Flacco was get it that, you know, especially in the playoffs, right? You see that? Winston didn't do that, and I think it's a problem.
But I was also reading an article, I think, two days ago on clutch points, believe it or not, and they were talking.
A one scout was saying that one of the biggest reasons, too.
It's not just his on field play.
It's just been his off field antics, you know, he said he has two ***ual assault cases against them, one in College one in the NFL.
He served a suspension for it, and I mean, and I always think back to two.
That suspension, like he came back, played him a game.
And then they started Ryan Fitzpatrick again, like you lost your starting job to Ryan Fitzpatrick.
And then I think last year you have Bruce Arians, who I think is known as a quarterback guru in the NFL.
That's Payton's quarterback coach.
That's Roth's burgers quarterback coach.
She only mean like these have been.
He's been known as a guru amongst quarterbacks, and if he can't make it happen with you, I don't no who can.
And I think Jamis needs to pull a Teddy Bridgewater and sit behind somebody for a while.
And Teddy was for different reasons.
It wasn't operable to play football.
It's He suffered what should have been a career ending injury you had.
I mean, in the same game.
It changes the backup and now he's with the Panthers.
Cam is different camps, surprises me that he doesn't have a job and I think it's health.
I think people are worried about him being health.
I think if he was a little healthier in the past, not just this recent injury, but prior to that, he'd be a charger right now.
I mean, maybe they're going to draft somebody.
Are they really gonna go forward? Tyrod Taylor is their starting quarterback, you know, Like that's just you know, I used to have faith in Tyrod when he was in Buffalo, but I've lost all my faith in Tyrod Taylor.
Uh, you know, maybe ballot check would have given him a thought if the, you know, move a little bit of salary cap when you think of the quarterback needy teams, Um, why not bring him into Cincinnati right now and have Joe Borough sit behind him for a year? You know, I mean, this is a former league M v P.
This is a guy who has been to the Super Bowl.
He's not, You know, he's not a sum of some slug off the street, you know, like, this was the consensus number one M v. P.
Yeah, you got slaughtered in the Super Bowl, but Peyton got slaughtered in a Super Bowl, you know? I mean, it happens.
Um, I just He's the one who surprises me the most Okay, so now let's go now into that sort of second tier of free agents.
Is there sort of the Big three? The upper echelons released a big names.
I don't know if you want to put Jamison the up rationalize, but Cloudy and Newton are definitely up there.
Then you get into the Logan Ryan's, the Marcus Golden's, the Everson Griffin's and the Eric reads of the world's You know, I don't think we have to go. Guy by God.
Devante Freeman's on this list I mean, Trey Burton has been able to find somebody since his release.
Jason Peters is there.
Delaney Walker is a free agent.
So is this just a world of away from the quarterback? Is this just the world right now where this is, I think, at least in my eyes, one of the deepest drafts we've seen at so many positions that some of these veteran guys they're just saying, You know what? We might be able to get your talent right now on a rookie deal, and we'll wait until after our draft to make our evaluation like I'll let you guys talk now, but in my opinion is I think these guys are gonna be doing August workouts like I don't see them getting signed a month later.
I think a lot of those lower tier guys after the team has had their sort of many camps.
They if if there is a mini camp and they get back on the field what not Ah, I think that's when these guys will start getting their tryouts once they know what the holes are.
Maybe Joe will start with you this time.
What are your thoughts on the whole The whole sort of secondary market? Sure.
I mean, well, I do think, you know, you brought up a good point, but I definitely think that teams, if I had to think what what their mindset is right now they're like, OK, yeah, we could use this guy, But let's go into the draft.
And if we're able to get like a pass rusher, for example, you know, like just speaking for my Ravens edge rusher is definitely one of our needs, but we're probably just holding on and seeing like well, it's Let's wait and see if we can get you one in the first in the second Someone we really like.
If not hey, you know, kick the tires on markets Golden.
Um, but yeah, I think that's that's kind of the mindset for teams Right now.
They're like, Let's see what we do in the draft.
And then, after all that, if they see that their positions still aren't filled, that's when you'll start seeing like Logan Ryan.
I definitely don't think Devante Freeman will be on a team. He won't.
At least he won't be a priority.
He may be on a team, but the problem is, I'm I'm one of the people that don't believe running backs matter in today's NFL.
So I don't know if you guys want.
I mean, that could be another topic for another stream, but I mean, well, I went When your quarterback is a running back, you don't have to When you're when you've had Tom Brady for 20 years, you worried about running backs? Fair enough.
So we're going to get into that argument? Are we know.
You know what, Lourdes? Before you answer, Joe, I got to give you a little a little air, a little, a little back story, even though it has nothing to do but we're talking about.
But it sure did story.
If you search on YouTube really hard, there's a famous stream of me in ST Lucia on draft night in 27 2018 drunk, not able to find my room live streaming freaking out that we took Sony Michelle over Lamar Jackson.
Oh, yeah, if you watch my entire lead up to that draft, it was Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson.
We have to draft Lamar Jackson.
I was in love with them.
Then I'm still in love with him.
I like him more than the homes.
And that's not my hate for the Chiefs.
I just love Lamar Jackson.
He's he's a freak.
And I had this whole and when, when the Ravens of all teams got him, because I will never must have hurt you.
Yeah, I will never forgive you for the A F C Championship game.
You know when Ray Rice ran all over us, and even though I love Ray Lewis, you know, and he's one of my one of my top 10 favorite players.
Ah, I have a lot of respect for your quarterback Trust me.
Anybody who's been following me a long time knows how much I love in love Lamar Jackson.
So Well, we definitely have that history, that's for sure.
But I gotta say, man, I wasn't, You know, I hated Tom Brady.
For the longest time, I ated Tom Brady.
And, uh and I know that we're going off topic here.
But when I started, like, respecting him, like, actually like Okay, he is to go.
You gotta you gotta admit that he is the goat.
Was that 28 to 3? Come back, man.
That I mean, how are you gonna argue after that? You know, once you see that, it's like, OK, I mean, I can't argue important, you know, it's it's ridiculous.
So but yeah, I do have respect a lot of respect for Tom Brady and Belichick and all that they've done, but yeah, I mean, I still hate freaking patriots guts. Course.
It's like I hate the cold.
You have played with them like it's a respected rightly.
I hated that manning, but I respect the hell out of them.
I don't respect Joe Air.
Flacco And you, Joe, I don't respect Flacco as much as I respected.
You know, the Ray Lewis is in the Edwardian of the world.
You know, it's the Super Bowl those that you will always got.
Ray Lewis got either the Super Bowl that defense, Super Bowl.
Absolutely and hard was one of the best coaches in the game, and I think he's gonna go down as one of the best coaches in the game.
Um, so I have a lot of respect again, Dungy.
Peyton is a healthy, healthy hate respect, you know? I mean, it was it was it All right, we've gotten so off topic, I could just screaming at its right now.
So, Lawrence, what What do you think going on with these secondary guys? So I think this is kind of were in a situation that we've never been in before.
What's kind of a perfect storm, so to speak when it comes to not only good death in the draft, but because the covert 19 coming and in players not being able to actually do the workouts, you're seeing a lot of your mid to high tier players who had question marks on them, but definitely still have potential sliding down and teams, As as both of you were saying, teams are looking at the draft going well.
We can't really make a decision on this player yet.
Let's see what happens with the draft.
And then I am absolutely 100% sure that after the draft is over, with the majority of these players on that list, that you just name will find teams they will, and not just one single team will be interested.
You'll see multiple teams once, once the situation calms down and the NFL's like, you know what? The president of the CDC and everything says it's cool that weaken start doing this will go ahead and allow visits.
You'll start seeing these guys visiting multiple teams and you'll start seeing, um, where the price players really are.
So yeah, it is just a perfect storm.
It's a situation that the NFL is not seen and that's why we're in a situation that we're in right now.
I'm sure I'm kind of with you on on the running back situation, not necessarily as a whole, but with Devante Freeman in general.
He is a terrible running back, but because this probably three or four pretty solid running backs that could go in the second round and later, like the top of the second into the later second rounds.
That could drop.
And that's gonna fill some major spots.
The teams have, like that need and developed A Freeman.
He my end up on a team, but it's not gonna be a huge deal.
You know he's not going to get $68 million right? Um, I think it's gonna end up getting 1 to 3 years, maybe four or $5 million at the most.
But obviously, you're Logan Ryan's and things of that nature day, they're going to get theirs.
They're going to get there.
It's just gonna take time, form, toe toe, get to these other teams to do the workouts and such.
Yeah, and I agreed to you.
I see it there is like I even looked at the trade burdens of the world.
Um, and I think that sometimes people are enamored by certain moments rather than overall body of work. Trey Burton.
I mean, that anybody knew Trey Burton was before the Philly special, you know, like, and I didn't You know what I mean? Like he wasn't a radar guy for me.
Um, especially going into that Super Bowl when they had an all star tight end on the team, right in Earth's who, in my opinion, then was probably, you know, the second or third best tight end in the league.
Ah, with Gronk back now is maybe fourth or fifth.
You know, when it comes to just adulterated talent, you know, behind Kittel and and and, uh, and Kelsey and those kind of guys.
But, I mean, their role players, it's, you know, it's I mean, the prime example is is is Baltimore.
Um when you look their tight end situation, you put them on most teams.
There's a guy there, not bad.
Their NFL talent players you what? I mean, but you put them in the right situation.
And we've seen that.
We've seen that in New England.
We see that in Baltimore.
We have smart coaches who can put players in positions where they can sell the most.
Right? Okay, you're going to take away Lamar's legs.
He's gonna just feed it to his tight ends.
You know what I mean And they're going to eat.
Um, Peyton Manning invented the fake run, pulled the guard, tossed a ball.
The Dallas Clark.
You know what I mean? Like And then Ballot Shack copy died.
And they did that with Gronk forever, right? It's the sort of the perfect storm.
And then, like in Baltimore again, when you have Lamar Jackson, who can throw and run and you had Ingram in the back, who's, I think, one of the more underrated running backs in the NFL.
You would. I mean, of the respect that he gets.
I think a guy like Trey Burton could fit in a system like Baltimore, but you don't need him, you know? I mean, I think that's her.
Thing is, he's a pure system guy where you need to put him in a position to succeed.
And right now, there's nobody out there that's looking for I know is the Patriots fans I get.
That's a majority of my fan base there.
Always that Well, we gotta go after trade burden. You have to go.
Trey Burton, I'm like to do what that come into stadium system like he needs Ah, tight end that can come in and help form the system.
Not a guy who can conform.
And that's where I look at a lot of these guys.
Logan Ryan is Ah, you know is and I have a lot of bad blood with Logan Ryan, so I maybe I'm being biased here, but, you know, he, um he's a system guy.
He's 1/4 cornerback, right? Um, he did show out last year, though He did, he did.
But he was a patriot.
He was my least favorite patriot of my entire fandom.
So he just, you know, I'm looking at Everson Griffin.
Second, that's a surprise.
Is Well, he's a guy who who who shocks me, but we But we kind of see this every year.
I mean, I think it was what two years ago was the year of the safety that, you know, top night safeties.
And I'm dying, trying to get remember who it was.
But I think he ended up signing with the Chargers, and he was a top guy.
Any sign for almost like the veteran minimum you signed for, like, $2 million he was looking for, like, 10 going into the free the free agency, right? And again.
And I think you're right, Lawrence, Some of this covitz some of its work out, some of its like Okay, let's see it.
But I also think that a lot of their looking going this is a deep safety draft, a deep corner draft, a deep wide receiver draft, a deep defensive draft in general.
There's some good interior defensive lineman and some good exteriors outside of the Chase. Young's of the world.
And I think people are just sitting there going like, Well, let's let's wait You what? I mean, because I don't want to pay you 456 million when I'm gonna get this kid for 300,000.
This year's you know, 750 next year, 1.
3 the next year.
60 year after that, right? If he's a first rounder.
Um, so, yeah, it's an interesting situation to me. The biggest surprises.
Cam Newton, Because I don't like this this quarterback class, To be honest with you in the draft, I don't even think Joe Borough is a slam dunk.
I know he's the consensus number one, Um, but we've seen one good year of Joe Borough.
Like if you go look at his draft ****ysis prior to 2019 they had a projected is 1/5 round draft pick.
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, and l s u could set a record this year for the most players being drafted in the first round and the most players ever being drafted in an entire draft.
Is that Burrow making them better? Or was that them making borough look better? You know, and I then I think everybody else is A To me, the best quarterback in the draft is Jalen hurts.
Not because of a talent stamp, not because of a talent standpoint, but he's not gonna cost you a first round draft pick.
You're going to take him knowing he's maybe 23 years off before he can start.
I think he's the perfect Packer to sit behind Aaron Rodgers the next three years.
You? And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
You gave up maybe a late second or third for him, right? I don't feel good using a first on Jordan Love or Justin Herbert or, you know, like none of those guys in to, uh, phenomenal talent.
He's had, like, five surgeries in his career, you know, before.
Yeah, it wasn't for his injury history.
He he may actually have been the consensus number one pick, so well, he was before.
Yeah, what was actually everybody was saying tanking for to a right.
And now now it's Borough.
So, and to me, it's so hard because it's I really I always I I look at the exact opposite, and you look at Jared Stadium, whose could possibly be the Patriot starting quarterback this year.
Um, if you look at his 20 his pre draft ****ysis before going into the 2019 sees or 2018 season, he decided to go back to Auburn.
He was projected to be a first round quarterback, has an off year and gets drafted in the fourth round.
Joe Borough was projected to be 1/5 rounder. Ghost.
And now he's gonna be the first overall consensus pick, right? So it's, you know, and I get it.
Heisman Trophy this and that.
But I'm like, how much of that is West team? And then there's that translation.
I'm in Ohio State Buckeyes fan.
I could have told you before the draft even started.
Dwayne Haskins was not an NFL quarterback.
He set records in Ohio.
You to me like he set records with the body.
And in Ohio, he's probably the best quarterback ever to come out of Ohio.
Like from appear statistic standpoint, I could have told you then.
His game does not translate to the NFL, and I'm hoping for him because he's a Buckeye.
So it's I don't like the class and I thought, maybe a team who was gonna think it taking a quarterback at Jordan lover, somebody that nature, like a Chargers, would have considered Cam Newton because you could have put the guy behind him and he could have developed, at least for a year behind Cam Newton hasn't forgot how to play football.
He's still a former M v P.
I mean, he and, you know, maybe learn how to play football behind behind. New.
So that's my biggest surprises. Cam Newton.
I thought he would have had a job somewhere.
Yeah, I just think that the between the shoulder surgery and the rolled up ankle, that's that's all it is.
You know that teams just want to know.
Are you healthy enough to actually play? Yeah, that's I would say that's the main concern, but, ah, I wanted to go back to the quarterbacks a little bit, if you don't mind.
Um, so the thing with Borough, let me just say, I hope you're right because he's going to the Bengals, right? So I do hope you're right, that it was just one year wonder and he's not at all, you know, It was his weapons.
It was his offensive line.
That's the reason he was so good.
I absolutely hope that's the case, because, I mean, even though it's the Bengals and you know who's scared of the Bengals, let's be honest.
But the bungles there's still in our division, you know, and I don't want them to be good.
So, um, I do hope you're right.
I don't think you are.
I do think Borough is legit because I mean, yeah, you could make the argument weapons, but 60 touchdowns and 60 touchdowns, it's It's impressive, man.
Um, so that would be my thing about Borough.
But also, I wanted to ask you because I think the Patriots, at least from what I've seen, have been linked to Jordan love quite a bit.
So how do you How would you feel If the Patriots air like let's take a man, let's take him in the first.
I would hate it.
I would hate it.
I would hate it so much if they were going to take a quarterback, this draft, Justin Herberts, the guy I'd want them to take.
I think he's got the best translation into it.
If Miami passes on to A, which it's starting to look like they could and take Herbert, I wouldn't mind the Patriots trading up to get to a knots of move I could live with, because again, it's it's It's a high risk, but the reward could be so big.
Jordan love reminds me of a calling Kaepernick more than anybody else.
He's been compared to Marcus Mariota as well, and I think both those guys or guys that had ceiling so high and I mean cat before the whole Neil issue.
I mean, when he was still playing and lost his starting job and all that, you would, I mean Alex are No, He took Alex's Smith's job.
Sorry, you lost it to nobody.
Those were guys whose ceilings were through the roof, but they were so their uniqueness was one dimensional you know what I mean? And then once that uniqueness got figured out, teams figured them out.
And I mean, I would go as far saying that Marry OTA lost his starting job to just some guy.
I mean, Ryan Tannehill.
You mean it's to me? It's It's oh, it would.
It would drive me, I wouldn't want him.
And I'm not saying I'm an expert at at ****yzing players.
But everybody thought I was crazy when I said Lamar Jackson because he had a pretty bad ****ysis of people going and always high risk.
He's this, he's that.
And I was like, Look at this kid.
I'm like, What am I seen that other people aren't like? I thought maybe I was insane.
You mean, um, you know Baker Mayfield.
I called Baker Mayfield and exactly what he's gonna turn into a great kid who is a basket case.
And it's, you know, ending up on the Browns was probably the best place he could have ended up.
You know what I mean? Because you know, that's where people go to die.
You know, our careers go to die, and it was perfect.
He's exactly what he was.
Johnny Menzel, was it? I was like, you know, talent doesn't change everything.
And I was gonna Now Borough is gonna go to Cincinnati.
They're going to thrust him and to a team that has a beat up A J. Green.
I think the only guy I like on that team is Joe Mixon.
Is that there? Yeah.
And he might hold out as well.
So that's what I heard.
So you could have no Joe Mixon, at least for camp.
When you should be developing that, you gotta beat up a J.
And Joe Bro doesn't fill the holes for Cincinnati. Their defense.
They have no middle way of no linebacker.
They have no middle of the field.
They have, ah, weak soft.
You know, top of the field.
They probably got a decent defensive line, you know, they can get some pressure on.
And I think there's gonna be tons of pressure on a kid who we've seen one sensational year out of.
I will argue you saw more than one since sensational year out of Lamar Jackson.
You know what I mean? I will argue that if you look at Jared stadiums, body working college in his three years.
His 1st 2 years were great.
He had an awful down year and people who don't pay attention to this stuff, I always say, like What you don't understand is his final year in Auburn.
Going back to school was his worst decision, his entire offensive line from the year before, and either went to the NFL or graduated, and his two best receivers tore a C L's before the season started.
Yeah, I mean, he takes a dive, and honest to God, I think that he's gonna be the Patriot starter this year.
I don't even think the Patriot air in the market for a quarterback, and I think that they're going to go for Jared Stadium unless they could landed two X.
I just think you can't pass up on that.
He's an Alabama guy, you know, ballot check and saving.
You know, it's like that.
I I think Borough and I hate and I go Look, I don't hope you bust now.
He's not in my division.
I don't like seeing Bus.
I like when guys, you know, accomplished things.
I think he's smart.
He's reaching out the players like Peyton Manning who and you know, and I don't think you can look at it this season because, like, what? It Peyton have 23 interceptions or something in his rookie year, right with six 26 holds the record for interceptions.
You know it's gonna go down as in my books.
A top five quarterback.
You what? I mean, um, of all time, definitely a top two of the generation of the, you know, the Brady Manning Brees generation.
He's pleased he's number Flacco.
Uh, breeze and and manning flip flop.
To me, it all depends on the day I'm having flan Go doesn't sit in the booth.
That's like saying Trent Dilfer's a top 10 statue.
Yeah, look, I could probably pick out 80% of that Ravens defense and say those air top 10 positional players at their position and during that run and during those buildups and in the miskick against the Patriots, Or you should have went to the Super Bowl when I mean against the Giants, all that kind of stuff.
That defense was so disgustingly good.
It was I want to bring something up, if you don't mind.
Yeah, what if Jo borough pulls it, Eli Manning things like, I'm not playing for you.
Trade me from what I'm reading and I covered this today.
He's not going to do that.
And Cincinnati's already told them he's going to be the number one.
Um, I was hope that all kind of came because Jordan Palmer is his is his quarterback coach right now, right? And Jordan Palmer has become a bit of a quarterback guru.
You work with Sean Watson and a couple of other I think you work with homes for a while, too.
Obviously, his brother's Carson, who's got some bad blood with Cincinnati.
But Carson came out to now and said he never told Borough not to sign with Cincy.
And and I think that I think it was a conversation at one point.
But truthfully, like when you look at Eli Manning, he had the Manny name behind him, Archie and Peyton.
If he doesn't have the Manning name, he's not pulling that the charge, you know? I mean, I don't think the Giants are gonna make that trade for him.
They're going to say No, no, we'll stick with Philip.
You mean like we can you know, it's it's, you know, when you when you look at Manning's bodywork, it was good.
I think it's a lot better than people want to give him credit for.
But I wouldn't put it in a great category.
You and I mean, I wouldn't compare him to his brother.
Even with the Super Bowls, you know, its biggest thing he'll be remembered for is ending the perfect season.
What will he were? Will tie Will Tyree? Well, I mean, in order for that catch, Manning had to pull off one of the greatest escapes in Super Bowl history to throw that football.
It's true, and that's what people will remember.
What page of dance remember, is if Asante Samuel doesn't drop the easiest interception in the world before it never happens.
You're not enough.
It's no, and I think that in it all depends on who you are.
I'm not knocking Eli.
I don't think he gets the respect that he deserves, Just like I don't think Andrew Luck got the respect that he deserved is a bunch of guys.
And maybe Flacco doesn't get all the respect that he deserved.
I will tip my hat to that.
I think he's a better quarterback than that.
Maybe some people wanna want to put on him.
But I mean, I think that you have.
You have classes, a quarterback.
You have your elite class.
Do you have your sort of mid range class? What, you're good and can win you Super Bowl.
And then you have your guys like the Tyrod Taylor's and those kind of feet.
You know, roster spots.
That's what I call them, right guys.
Flacco would be in that second tier to me and I don't know, and a guy that I think it's too much credit is Matt Ryan.
You mean agreed, All right, I think that people just love this guy and I don't I don't get it like I'm like, I don't see He's a great physical Tony Romo.
He's a great fan.
Yeah, you put some numbers, but you know, when you talk about the X factors, you talk about the intangibles.
I don't believe he has that.
He doesn't have that it factor, you know? No, I agree.
So But Eli going back to Ely, I don't think he should be a Hall of Famer personally, but I think he will be just cause, you know, he did the two Super Bowls.
Of course, that's legendary.
Ending the perfect season.
His last name is Manning.
Uh, he played for so long.
He had that streak that iron Iron Man streak.
So I think he will be a Hall of Famer.
But if it was me, I don't think he should be.
But it is just a genuine nice guy.
I mean, like like and I'm not in but any knock on anybody.
But Peyton is a bit of an *******.
Your previous arch iwas.
You mean they both And Eli was just like this.
Legitimate, Like, good golly, gosh, you know what I mean? Like cried when Coughlin got fired.
You what? I mean, like, and just a likable guy.
And I think when when people are making the case, is that that kind of stuff? Will, you know, trial loans didn't go in the first year because of his attitude, not because of his talent, you know, And and I think Eli will go in because of his attitude rather than and I mean and look, he he could have caused problems in New York. this year.
But he just supported Jones.
And, you know, and you know, and I'm gonna get this kid to where he needs to be.
And then look, I don't want to be a backup, someone to retire.
I'm not gonna cause problems anywhere.
And that's why I think away from again.
If you use a second tier, I don't seems a Hall of Famer, but he's got two Super Bowls.
He's a likable guy, Um, even though I've always said he's got the most punch able face in the world, he is a likeable guy.
I agree with you.
So as Lawrence, as a fan of his brother, which is obviously from a talent perspective, much higher.
What's your thoughts on Eli? I think you hit the nail on the head when you say he's a likeable guy.
I think he's one of those guys, also where you know that second tier is you say you put him on a team that has talent around him and he can win you a lot of games that but I didn't see him as that upper echelon elite quarterback where you put him on a team that has no talent around them like, say, Andrew Luck did.
And bring that team up into the playoff category.
We're a chance for a Super Bowl.
So, yeah, I think that's something that that's where I see Eli.
Um, there's just there's so few riel quarterbacks that can take no talent around them and put them into this next category on a team, you know? So put the team on your back.
Those are the guys, man.
Those are the guys.
Also, I wanted it since, you know, I know we're going a little long here, but might as well continue.
Uh, what are your expectations for Philip Rivers? I've always, you know, wondered this because, um, you know, the Colts are a great team.
I would say they're a playoff team.
Like they have good defense.
They have the offensive line.
They have pretty decent wide receiver.
They they have a playoff caliber team.
I just Do you expect Philip Rivers to take you to the next level or what? What do you think in here? To be honest, I broke down his film.
Yeah, and I love what Rivers brings Onley because he's gonna have he throws one of the most catchable footballs in the NFL.
It's kind of like Tom Brady where you know what he throws that football, the person he's throwing it to, its gonna be let out right in front of him.
It's not gonna have too much heat on it.
It's gonna have just enough art for where the receiver to just reach out and grab that football easily.
And the receiver is going nowhere.
That football is that Rivers problem.
The last couple of years in San Diego is that he was under pressure a ton.
He had to get rid of that football past Ah lot or he was down a lot.
You know, going into the fourth quarter is defense was unable to hold other teams down, and he's just trying to chuck it in order.
Try toe, catch the score up.
Um, but in this team, as you say, the Colts have a good defense.
He's not gonna be any pressure mentally or physically.
As much as he was with the Chargers, I believe so.
I think he'll be able to be myth more methodical on this Colts team.
I think I think it could be pretty interesting toe watch No.
Can I throw a big hypothetical out of you? Sure.
What if we get into late May early June? Bring, bring, Bring Hey, it's Andrew.
I think I want to come back.
That's it was a good thought having rivers here.
That's a no no finger, right? I mean, come on.
Um, everybody thought coming in the last season, the Indianapolis Colts were a Super Bowl contending team with Andrew Luck.
They're better now than what they were then by by leaps and bounds just because of the divorce Buckner trade.
Now they're their front seven.
Defense is scary with all the speed and talent they have in youth that they have on that front seven.
So to bring Andrew Luck back, and if they go out and they get, they use their second rounder on a t.
Higgins or been zone men's or someone like that to kind of throw in with the Paris Campbell's and the T Y Hiltons and and that would be so scary, that would be amazing.
But that's not gonna happen.
We never had a chance to talk about this.
Um, were you OK with the Buckner trade giving up a first round pick for him.
I mean, I know he's phenomenal, but he cost a boatload of money on top of that, right? What were your thoughts on that trade? I'll tell you what.
I think that trade was an absolute win win win for everybody involved.
Uh, I think, personally, I think the Niners made a mistake and kept the wrong guy for me.
I think Butner is heads above better than or instead I think they should have signed Buckner and traded Armstead.
It's only a four million a year difference in the contract.
Having a guy were the forest when he had no talent around him was making all the plays in the world, you know, and was still considered one of the best, most disruptive defensive lineman and football.
And then they brought the talent around him.
There's an argument that could say that those guys that they brought around him, their stats got better because of Buttner drawing double teams because everybody knew how really good.
Buckner waas um Indianapolis giving up 1/13 the 13th pick.
I have absolutely no issue with that because there was no way in the world that the courts were going to get anyone at the 13th pick of that caliber guaranteed that caliber because it doesn't.
You know what you're getting with the fourth Buckner.
You know, for a fact he's played in the NFL, He shows you what he can do and then dropping the contract.
You have to pay the players.
You know, when you want a superstar on your team, you gotta pay him to keep him.
And ah, that's something that the Indianapolis Colts defense has not had in recent years.
Is a serious presence at the inner defensive line at the defense.
Have tackled nose, tackle position, someone that could take on a double team and actually still be ableto win it from time to time.
So, yeah, I love it for the Colts.
I think it was a good decision, but not the best decision for the Niners.
And, of course, Buckner.
You know, he gets his money and he's going to go into a locker room with a lot of good guys as well.
I mean, he had a great defense of locker room anyhow over on the Niners, but he skis coming in with Justin Houston and various.
Leonard and I know you guys probably don't know who.
Well, you might rate Kenny more.
Yeah, Kenny Morris.
So he's one of the most underrated cornerbacks in the NFL, and people don't know who he is.
If you actually watch this tape, he's one of the best in the business.
He was ranked up there with Chris Harris.
Ah, if you buy a ah bunch of people, including Pff.
So crazy and crazy, crazy athletic ability, that's the thing he's His biggest problem is his his his decision making from time to time.
That's where he can get himself into trouble.
But athletically, it's crazy.
So I'm going to interrupt you there.
Um, I think we should You should probably wrap this up shortly.
Oh, for a minute, and I know that.
So let's let's end this And in the originals topic that we came into it.
I know where we're not supposed to promote who we chair foreign stuff, but we've already we've completely broken that we're going to get a lashing when this is all over.
So let's start with you, Joe, One of the free agents available, you're the GM of the Ravens, You got all their salary cap in the world.
Who's on your team? Oh, Clowney, no question.
You know, if if we had the cap and if Clowney if we were able to come to an agreement? Oh, absolutely.
He would be on the team.
Like I said, I've been a cloudy guys since this whole free agency period started.
But say that's not a possibility.
Say, he's like a I would rather go somewhere else.
I would like like a markets gold.
And I think that would really help out.
I mean, I know we already have.
The quarterbacks are pretty much set right now, but you can never have too many corners, in my opinion, so I would not hate that at all.
Um, and, uh, I think, Yeah, those oh, ever seen Griffin, of course, would be a nice addition, but yeah, those those would probably be the ones that if if I had to choose, those would be them.
And Lawrence, you gotta pick one.
Who you taken? I don't go pick 12 yeah, I just one.
I'll surprise everyone watching this Prince Amukamara.
I know you think Well, Why not Logan. Ryan.
Ray, you pretty much said it from the from the get go.
He did have a great season last year.
I will say that my friends is a year older.
And when he first came in the league, Amukamara was an absolute stud, all right? He was considered one of the best in the league, and then he started to drop off.
Well, we have another one of those guys that we just picked up.
You know, a eggs, a viewer roads.
So we get prints, we get Xavier, we put him out there, we let him fight.
We let them kind of see who brings who up to that level that they at least close to that level that they were before and let him fight that out.
That's what I would like to, because Prince wouldn't wouldn't take 15 or 10 to $15 million to keep him on it on a team.
You know, you get him for a lot cheaper, I think, uh, low risk.
Possible high reward on that one.
Well, the Patriots need a pass rusher.
They need somebody who can get to the quarterback you think that I would say to Davin Clowney, but it's not him, not because of his talent.
I'm a huge fan of him.
I think he's a beast.
But when you think of a bill ballot check type of player, he doesn't really fit that role.
Ah, he also wants big money.
And I know I'm saying no salary cap.
But even when there is unlimited salary cap, ballot check is cheap.
It will not pay that kind of money for somebody.
Um, I think that the actual perfect fit for the Patriots and somebody had actually like them.
The maker, right? Matt is ever seen Griffin.
I think that he's He's the perfect type of Belichick type of player, aggressive on the outside.
He kind of mimics a Chase win eviction away, and I think that they can play on left and right.
They could get rid of Beatrice Ways, Jr.
Who has been a massive disappointment and and and really have an athletic strong edge on bully the tight ends and the tackles a little bit because, um, they just haven't been able to do that the last couple of years, so that would be my pick if I'm If I'm, I'm taking somebody for the Patriots.
Well, guys, thank you so much for humoring me and doing this with me tonight. It's great.
I think we should do this again, getting all three of us on here in terms of the great conversation.
And I don't forget.
We got Joe all the way over.
We got Lawrence in the middle, Ray, over here.
I was going to say left and right.
But it might be different on their screen, so I'll keep it at that.
Thank you, guys for tuning in. Take care.
See you guys later.