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We're here to talk about this new trend, this forthcoming onslaughts of last dance Fake Last dances, new last dancers that are trying to piggyback off the success of Michael Jordan's successful do***entary As ever.
Trendsetter um, Kobe Bryant has been pitched as the the next last dance do***entary.
Um, an interesting thought.
Are we about to see, like, 50 different last dance style do***entaries on all of the greatest players in the N.
What's about to happen here? No, we we can't do that.
I I don't think they should title any of these.
The last dance we Ah, we got that moment.
There's like a mean going around with Leonardo DiCaprio won like somebody says the title of the movie in the movie, and they point like that like we got that already.
Phil Jackson, uh, title this season. The last dance.
They had the whole booklet around it.
They have the ultimatum that this was a the final run of this team.
And, um, I don't think anyone should attempt to even kind of do this again, because you can.
Also, this footage was sat on for 23 years.
Um, it wouldn't be the same.
But now we're focusing on Kobe and the Lakers.
Right? Give me the footage from 1 6002 I do not want to see hurt Kobe.
I do not want to see watched Kobe.
I do not want to see the Lakers team that Kobe had to play with on his, you know, final couple years out.
It's not to say I'll say this.
I think it is an interesting season to pick because, like the last dance suggests the last.
Well, for him, for Michael Jordan, it was the last of its full season.
So you want to play a bunch of garbage years in Washington? Um, I don't see why we have to select literally Kobe Bryant's last season because it's gonna be a bad time.
They finished with a record of 17 and 65.
Um, they were the worst team in basketball by not close margin.
Um, although I do like the idea because here's the problem with this season.
In particular, Kobe Bryant is fading into the distance, but he does so with it's like, Hey, had a tour Goodbye tour, everyone kind of.
It was three widely publicized Kobe's goodbye tour, and with that there was It was amicable.
I would have liked the season's right after Pau Gasol.
Or that that championship era what they're trying to be good.
And Kobe Bryant is massively disgruntled about them not being a more competitive team.
There's all kinds of behind the scenes footage of him yelling at Mitch Cupcake about, like bring me some better guys, just getting furious and practices.
I feel like if they had started shooting, then we would had a really nice season to pull from Adam.
If you had to choose a single Kobe Bryant season to do a last dance do***entary on what would you have chosen? You know, uh, I think I would have gone with that that 2010 year, right when they when they get Boston in the finals, because that's been interesting to look at how they they're coming off beating Orlando the year prior, but it wasn't enough.
That's in connection with Eric Fisher, saying.
They just had this thing about this revenge.
They wanted to get back to get Boston, and it seemed like that was a fuel for that group of players.
So I'm sure that that probably has a lot of resolve, especially to just go back and track throughout the season about the way that team was behind the scenes in the locker room in practice and probably that Mamba mentality that Kobe was bringing to it.
Now I will say, if you get off the title of last dance and you name this thing something else.
If you think about these 1st 2 parts from this one on Jordan going back and learning about guys right, going back to a young Kobe and maybe connecting to how Jordan, how Jordan is his idol, how he builds off of that, how he models himself after him, There's probably a lot of great early stuff that would be interesting to see if the the it's predicated on being is actual last season.
And that's gonna be a bit of a bit of a bummer, but even happier for fans to watch.
Yeah, it is interesting.
I mean, there's no there's no question that, like any time they do a 30 for 30 treatment on any player like I'm in, I'm down for a sports docuseries of any kind.
I do you think it is interesting to sort of pull from the last two seasons of Kobe Bryant as the obvious choice? This is what the I guess, Director, I don't know if he's positioning himself that way.
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Yeah, I like that.
You hit the dance.
Um, anyway, so he would be, I guess, making this for his own docuseries.
Um, there's a lot of synthetic just again.
Like if there is a bunch of tapes sitting around of Kobe Bryant in the locker room with, like, who else is on this team? What's good? Look, Brandon bass treat black.
You know Roy, ever I want to see is his interactions with Roy Hibbert.
Um, yeah, because I just like watching people like you get into it in locker rooms and stuff like that that's satisfying for me.
That fulfills my Adam.
You might know this word. Shannon frighten.
You know that you that it's some German for you? Um, the low D Angelo Russell on that t and as admits, and as Net stands ourselves, watching a little bit of young D'Angelo going through that, um, would be interesting.
Got me thinking, though, about what other players would be like.
Lou Williams, Lou, Willie Williams.
There should be a docuseries just dedicated to Lou Williams in his personal life.
Off the court entirely.
I would go like I just want to see what that guy's.
When, um when Kobe past Lou Lou Williams throughout the story about Kobe making everyone take his shoes off after they lost and saying they weren't good enough to wear his shoes, I would I would pay for that.
That could be pay pay per view just just the 10 minutes.
Like if they have any of that, maybe five minutes air that I want to see how that all went down.
Telling grown men that take your shoes off cut after cut of Just called me like you got that.
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Get him out! Get him out The lockers! Everybody.
Now! So that being said for you guys and Keith Goody first, do you? But you stand particularly hard for any singular player in which you would want to have, like, a perfect last dance of for yourself.
Like is there anyone outside of just Kobe is like an obvious one.
Everyone sort of fascinated by Kobe.
And it was a particularly formative year for basketball, with Cody's passing and everything so makes a lot of sense.
But it's wanted to get you to do you keep the basketball fan.
Were we watching? I.
So I got to get away from the last dance title because I am attaching last dance to these Bulls and their era Michael Jordan in that time.
If there is another 10 part doctor hit ESPN, I would like to see someone like Vince Carter get that late.
Um, I had some people come at me on Twitter, not even coming me on Twitter, but I was I was pumping this and they know I'm not a Knicks fan, and they're like there should be, Ah, rather much rather watch a doc on Patrick Ewing.
And I was like they would only need one hour for that.
So it's like, who Who would they need? Who would they be able to make a 10 part doc on who wanted who won enough, who had enough attention? You know, we just watched Dwayne Wade's 30 for 30 30 and they chronicled his life and he had three rings like It's got to be somebody, somebody that one enough and someone that there's enough footage on personally, if it's not Vince Carter, because I don't know, like Vince didn't win enough to get that.
But he had an amazing career and he doesn't get the light.
I would like to see maybe, like Allen Iverson or a Tracy McGrady, or like guys that were superstars in the like to thousands that, um, you know, you might just have to remind these young kids of like, you know how big they were at certain times.
Anyone coming to the forefront of your mind? Well, you know, Listen, just retired, you know, dirt, Devinsky.
That would be one.
Listen not about how his career ended wasn't ending on the hideout of a championship.
But there was something about when he, when he was retiring, winding down.
That just seemed just really interesting about that style of player, right? Pretty unique figure in the n b A.
I think that there would just be, I don't know from the outside, looking at a lot of introspection from cir***vents.
Get feels like, is he was very touched by the time you got to them.
Even that final performance that he did have for his career was actually a pretty impressive one.
Knocking down a couple of nights shots in vintage dirt style.
Honestly, I don't know.
Around the end, Batumi players, the Carter one is a great one.
Was it? Somebody should be filming all the behind the scenes footage of LeBron right now because you're a couple of years away.
Maybe from being ableto look back on his career in that kind of fashion.
And honestly, my mind immediately went, unfortunately, outside of the MBA and something like both in Denver.
If you want to talk about John Elway's last day and or Peyton Manning's last ride in this, you know in Denver would be very interesting, but I don't know a lot of championship figures exiting the way that we're talking about Michael Jordan in this particular one, that you would want to see The Chronicle of that last year.
I'm taking out the dance.
I'm taking dance at my mouth the last year.
Maybe. Ah, Gregg Popovich and the Spurs.
That's good one be having. Right now.
I will see what they be boring as watching, right? You know, that would be just as boring as watching Andy Andy Table getting along famously like Who wants to watch that? Like Tim Dunkin's news fest, David Robinson knew.
Just fundamental guys.
We're Ginobili and Tony Parker Foreign snooze fest.
Like the problems with Tim Duncan.
There's no there's not gonna be like in the Locker and Beef.
He's just gonna be at home playing World of Warcraft.
Would you want what you want? Um, would you want something on Kawai Leonard's brief time in Toronto? Would that be interesting if they collected that kind of footage about him? The choice to go there as a hired gun, so to speak.
What we need is footage on Kawai leaving the Spurs.
When all of that went down with Tony Parker talking about his injury and pop.
Not one to say some things and we knew it was coming.
That's what we need.
The behind the scenes footage ical I We need to see how Kawai exited San Antonio and came to become what we know as you know of him as of now, like there is a lot that we didn't get privy to, um, that we just kind of had to speculate when Kawai wasn't playing and he was hurt and everybody knew he was gonna leave San Antonio.
So, uh, I got tired of the entire do***entary.
There's also like, we're sort of captain ourselves, a championship sort of calibre players with this last dance paradigm that we're operating under.
But like even just watching this Michael Jordan years like, there's so many sort of legends of the N b A.
That didn't get a championship during that time just because there's a big Michael Jordan shaped bottleneck preventing them from doing that.
But like, you know, I would kind of want to dig into like Karl Malone.
It's personal life is crazy.
He had, like 20 years that were sort of defined by near success that never got over the hill.
Um, and you know, But like Charles Barkley, similarly, you know, there's a bunch of guys that I consider I wouldn't know what exact Charles Barkley year against the Sun's years.
Um, and I was like, because when you're saying Patrick Ewing, that would make sense.
But thinking more ago, John Starks.
You can get those cashier When he was like it was bagging groceries, we always talk about him back in the groceries.
Got to see him back in the groceries.
Finally prove that it happened.
You can go from there.
I got a I got it.
Shaq and Penny when they when they got there for any, let us Oh, they did do that.
Yeah, I mean, like, all the good ones have pretty much been done.
You know, it's true.
What's like again we're talking about with Michael Jordan is like this is also contextualizing his entire his entire career in life in a lot of ways of firsts in the first couple episodes.
So any of these pieces that I think you have to go back, probably if you go back to 88 days and pull some names had a very interesting because everything else within the last decade is fairly well do***ented, right? The 30 for thirties.
And some of these look ins on people are a lot differently.
The board room we mentioned on earlier stream about Katie, right? You're getting insight to these guys, so there isn't as much behind the curtain to really learn and discover about some of them.
I will say, like in the Kombi vein of it, going back to the shack Kobe run and what that looked like because you talk about that.
That first championship there over the Pacers, where you've got Shack running 38 16 average for that.
Siri's Kobe's kicking in 15 points and he's still coming up, right? So how did that dynamic start to shift? I know that it's fairly out there, but getting some If there was behind the scene footage of that relationship and how it how it evolved and ultimately they got to a place where Kobe is like that's it like Come on, man.
This is my This is my town Now I want to take this team over there.
There's a lot of fascinating, I think, chunks of careers that I'd like to look at as opposed.
And maybe that final chapter.
Yeah, and to bring it back to Kobe, one of this season's that's left stood out to me to Is the season after Shack Up traded? Um, if you talk about this one, but like thes numbers here are bonkers.
It's going 35 a game here and just like playing out of his mind, putting it like playing 41 minutes a game, just like like a madman is 27 years old.
And I can only just imagine me that I know that there's all kinds of talk about the beef between him and shack.
But if there's any like, sort of statistical got quantifiable like there was beef sort of thing like this this moment.
This, like proving that I didn't need Shack moment seems pretty interesting to me.
Oh, yeah, Kobe was going off, and that's what we would expect him to do that that was the year that it really started, you know, with the Kobe and Kobe doesn't pass the ball because it's like that was the year.
Where is like this dude is a one man wrecking crew.
He's going to drop 40 35 on average.
He doesn't need to pass the ball.
You pass the ball to Kobe and then you know that what Waas Kobe is a pass code doesn't need to pass.
I understand what everyone doesn't.
Okay, what about this guy's doing right here? The games like that, one of them games, if they were going to do and again is probably more like that, that 30 for 30 do***entary, but thinking about the Jordan to Kobe transition and that connection they play, they play a couple of times, but the last four meetings they have are actually when Jordan's on the Wizards.
But I was pulling that up that he ran the last game that he played against.
Jordan ran 42 points in the first half of the 55 point performance on a 14 of 19 shooting in the first half and by the way, you mentioned before Brian that you know the last couple of years for Jordan.
But he averaged 23 points.
Everything is over 20 points, a game in those last couple of seasons with the Wizards.
You know, it's interesting to think about.
He's a shell of himself relative to who he was.
But I think you put up something 24 in that game against Kobe as well.
But maybe something a little in between, like I would like to watch an entire series of eight games.
I think they play total against one another.
And just what that looked like.
Jordan as a vet to Kobe coming up young and then the transition.
And then ultimately, when Kobe is basically at his peach and Jordan is on his way out, I wonder what those on quarter conversations would have been like between those guys.
It is also pretty remarkable that, like truly, we lost five years of Michael Jordan, two of which, in the heart heart of his prime, um, and then three in the sort of tail end of what was already like looking like crazy, weirdly long prime.
Um, yeah, but I forget exactly what was happening in these three.
What was he attempting to do? This? I don't remember.
I mean, I'm sure we'll get to this one this do***entary, but what was happening here.
I mean, all I know on the face and you keep you have more to it.
It's just that on the face of it is that if you're if you're kicking out, Phil, I'm not playing for anyone else.
And it was kind of an active choice that you just said, If you're done, if you're done with Phil, then I'm done That I'm done here and again.
We talked about that idea of at that time in the N b A.
It wasn't like and I'll follow Philippa L.
Or I'll go somewhere else and continue my career.
I think Jordan kind of looked at it as I'm done like this is, it fills gone.
And then probably a few years off, he wants to come back and maybe prove, Hey, by the way, I was gone for three years.
But if I had wanted Teoh, I could have been doing this the whole time.
Yeah, it was just Ah, defiance, Noncompliance, Jordan.
Insubordination like you just It just wasn't.
He was just literally like he was done.
He wasn't gonna play for them, and he wasn't gonna feel um, fulfill this contract or whatever, Because he was on top of the world.
I got six rings.
I'm the goat, like, you know, I told you already I'm not playing without Phil.
Um, I don't know.
I think that was around the time, Scott.
He ended up putting a blazers jersey onto and, ah, you know, things were just different.
And it was like, Yo, once it's over, it's over.
And those? Yeah, those three years when you look at that, it was just Jordan being, like, what else do I have? The prove.
And I like I'm not gonna come out and prove it for you guys.
Like I told you guys what I wanted and what it was supposed to be. You didn't listen.
So this is the result? Yeah, I'm not I'm not winning.
I'm not giving Chicagoan extra championship. Yeah, right.
We're done here.
And also, Jordan probably knew that he couldn't win it on.
It wasn't about to go through a season struggling a little bit like No, he had enough headaches prior to that.
So he was done something.
Another thing that is jumping off the page here is that at 39 he played 82 games, averaged 37 minutes game, which is the same as when he was 27 years old.
Ah, full 12 years before, um, and shooting, like decent enough percentage is like he probably could have played deep into his forties.
I mean, with these types of numbers, it's it's like playing 37 minutes again.
Have you ever seen, like, how many minutes a game is? It was Vince Carter play towards you? Describe? It's like these guys can.
He's a freakin nature.
Um, Larry Bird said, He's God disguises Michael Jordan, you know, like he could do things.
And this is before we even had all of the knowledge of like, I don't know, hyperbaric chambers and what to eat and like, How do you know how to like? LeBron puts a $1,000,000 into his body a year just to be able to play at his age.
This is before that, like Jordan was just a natural freak.
There was no TV 12 or the TV 12.
I'm just trying to think of old players against played for a while.
Like how many minutes a game.
We're they putting in? Yeah, like, look at these these tragic 11 minutes at 39.
What? Yeah, these These guys, We're still eating meat.
They weren't going meatless beyond meat diets that needed the notion of avocado ice cream.
I mean, come on, guys. There no less.
Definitely aren't plant beast you're talking about.
You show Jordan it was that shooting 45% from two.
That that's that.
That number was there. I mean, think about that.
Anybody got 40 years old is like, I can casually give you almost 50% from the field consistently.
I mean, there's an argument to be made that Jordan it 40 41 years old, would probably have been a better number two for a lot of superstars in the league, then somebody who was in their early twenties just because he still knew how to play the game.
And how did the effective And I've talked about some of those memories watching him on the Bulls.
He's a little bit heavier, obviously, on the wizard.
Little bit slower all those things.
But there still could do work.
And most people that you talk about Paul Pierce.
I watched that two k.
That was that that horse competition on the Paul Pierce is he's he's diminished, and it happened when I was on the court.
Is post playoff disposed of NB career? I certainly falling off a ledge that was a little AL You've scoop that he had to attend.
And I think he's wearing that puff jacket cause I think he was hiding something.
Some things ever happened underneath there.
He's died penetrating the truth.
Um, that is good.
Well, I would also mean not to say I wouldn't watch Michael Jordan do***entaries from any year.
I would watch him be rate Kwamie Brown the same way that I'd watch him break. Jerry Krause.
Um, I'll watch it any time.
And similarly, watch any Kobe Bryant, anyone those do***entaries because there's no bass.
So what else? We gotta dio do***entaries.
Bring him on, let him figure out those tapes.
Is anyone doing fills last year with Knicks? Is that even better? Um, all right, guys, we did it.
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