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It feels like we couldn't get away from from some Kevin Durant related conversations just 24 hours later.
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Uh, happy in the case, we come in talking about an article that basically rich climbing comes out and it's this conversation kind of comes on the heels of what we were discussing yesterday.
The break up between the Golden State Warriors and the role of Is it players? Is it media? Is it something in between? So climate comes out Essentially says it's incredibly ignorant for people to say that the media is what drove the break up in Golden State.
You also mentions that that saying that Draymond Green and getting into it with Kevin Durant on the court is also an endurance statement.
Let's let's start there.
What are your thoughts or takeaways initially from that? I'll go with you, Matt first.
And do you think that that is basically where you can leave it, that the issues we're gonna happen and it doesn't necessarily have to be scaled out beyond the locker room in those players for sure.
Um, typically, I would be as a esteemed member of media.
I'm just kidding, I But let's pretend on this big media figure.
No, I would be, Yeah, I would be a little bit.
I feel like it's a very easy thing to Dio.
And maybe this is just me playing the victim, Um, that it's very easy to be like Okay, well, it's the media's fault.
They cause this problem.
They whatever, Um, if you're a player or an agent and something happens, a lot of times, it actually is the media's issue and whatever there, the thing that kick starts it, um, I will say on this specific issue.
What's kind of interesting about it was it was actually a media guy saying, Hey, were there was in I believe it was Strauss, his book that kind of kicked this off.
Ethan Strauss's like you were saying a lot the we were being the, you know, sort of in there and made Durant feel uncomfortable in his situation, which I personally don't agree with all that much.
But I just think it's an interesting perspective.
You don't see too often where this is actually kick started by media.
It's usually from the other side of the playing field.
This is media say, Hey, we're the village here, so I don't agree with it at all.
I think that they were plenty of things that a lot of people did see happening in the locker room.
And honestly, just from the bowl, like if you look from a Mac process, this is a home grown team.
Guys that have been there forever.
Katie was the hired gun, and like a hired gun, he was only there for a little bit like, it's pretty simplistic to me. I'm here.
I'll get your thoughts, Keith and I think to lead into that is if there had been a premise where Kevin Durant said when he came to the Warriors.
I'm gonna be here for a few years and then I'm gonna move on.
Do you think that even if that was the case, still, the media may have drummed up some type of issues around this or speculation and still have a lot of content built around it? Regardless of how that that relationship began, occurred and then ultimately departed? Yeah, it's the media's job to find these storylines that are drama filled in that get people's attention and get people to click on articles saying Everything is sweets and everything is going smoothly.
That doesn't do it, especially for a championship team.
We don't want to hear that the champions Air just, uh, loving every second of being around each other and heading towards another championship.
You want to hear that there's turmoil.
You want to hear that. There's angst.
You want to hear that there's beef between players and we couldn't get away from the Draymond and Katie Clinic that went viral even before that, right? The little gift off Draymond talking to Katie's like tapping on the shoulders and these, like, you know, saying stuff to people ran with that.
So for them to say that the media had nothing to do with it or for us to be foolish to believe that come on.
Katie himself came out and said last year that when he came to New York with the Warriors, or two years ago, I came to New York with Warriors, plan for the Warriors against the Knicks.
Remember that billboard that was up in New York, that Katie like a cartoon Katie in Ah, next Jersey? Cavey said.
he didn't like that.
He said that that was one of the main things.
He was like, I'm on the Warriors.
I haven't made any decisions yet and they're doing this to me like that wasn't media, but someone paid for that.
Someone put that out there.
So like every little thing does trickle into the locker room and into the minds of these players.
It's 2040. We're more connected than ever.
They see every clip from first take from skipping Shannon from ESPN and get up like they see all of it.
They can't avoid it, so it's out there.
It's also in their minds well.
And so Jay Williams, who obviously is also a member of the ESPN plus show the board room along with Kevin Durant.
His is take on this as well, contradicts Climate a little bit and also gives to your point key some of that player perspective, where he says, just to make sure I get it correct.
Ah, lot of these players or fans they watch shows things trickle into the locker room.
It creates awkward situations between players.
I think the media, the more time that goes by as guys win And then when championships, the media were like, Well, what else can we talk about? What else can we find to make this interesting? Oh, this seems like there are challenges.
You could be potential issues between these players, you know, that, naturally is going to come in.
I think your point, you know, interestingly, to tend to expand it out and talk about Katie.
You wanna have a sense when he comes to York and see those billboards? You wanna have a sense that another organization you may eventually look to go to is taking that step back and saying, I respect where you are right now I'm not.
I'm not trying to sway you before there's an opportunity, and Brooklyn seems to have been able to pull that off successfully.
Where now that you're a free agent, we love to have a discussion.
Do you? Looks present what we're about, as opposed to maybe being a team, who's who's trying to pull it.
Those threads before that, that opportunity is really there for itself matter.
You look at the way J speaks about it.
Seems like it lines up with Keith there that of course, players are going to hear these things and that can maybe exacerbate well, could be a minor issue, right? The natural tension you're gonna have between athletes at the highest level.
These guys are going to be in each other's faces at times, and usually that brings out the best for a team at the end of the day.
But maybe that outside perspective that influences can sometimes rile things up.
And that can foursome divides.
Yeah, I mean, I think that when Jay Williams says it, it has a lot of merit.
Like that's the That's the really key importance toe.
Having a guy that you know has played it all professional levels in the media, like he This is not somebody that is getting brought in like this is a guy that's been in locker rooms.
So when he says that, Yeah, these guys actually do here this and yeah, the media does have an effect on all of this.
It means something, and I think that's there's a lot of value in having that.
On top of that, he knows Katie personally.
They are very close.
So, um, you know, I think what he says is correct.
Uh, I will say like, you know, look like yes, media Will will absolutely create stories.
And there's a lot of times where it could be a little bit needless.
Um, but we've seen it like if there is ultimately, if there's two personalities or just styles, philosophies, whatever have you that are in a locker room that are competing? Or maybe you just don't see eye to eye.
Whether it be a couple of players or one or two players, they're gonna have a few.
It's gonna happen no matter what.
That's kind of what I like.
It is just kind of predestined in a lot of ways.
I mean, you look at what's happening with Gobert and Donovan Mitchell.
You know, there's now reports coming out that these guys will.
Actually, the team's been sort of turning on go bare for months and months and months now.
So I just think that this stuff is all gonna come out anyways, Um, it e I.
What Williams said is it's smart, but it s just to get it.
It's kind of uncomfortable.
Yeah, you can jump in if you want to.
You that actually that you just brought up there, though, about gold bear, we can find a sidetrack ourselves for a second.
Is it a lot easier for a team to maybe say to have this coming out, that we've been turning on Gold Bear for months and months when he technically represents a player in the league that's evolved maybe away from his skill set? In a lot of ways, you see this last season.
He's come down a little bit in terms of the stat lines, and when you talk about building championships, you probably look at maybe a Mitchell and say, Well, that's what we want to go a little bit younger.
It's the trend of this league and that makes it easier to.
And I don't know what role the media plays into that that kind of relationship as well.
But it's a lot easier to also float that out there for the media to pick up and to elevate of.
You know, we've been kind of sound around him as well, By the way, are young superstars soured on him? So we may.
We may also be feeling the same way.
Well, I mean with that one is tricky because he's a free agent.
I believe in 2021.
So you know this.
It's hard to tell where this is coming from.
Is this coming from the front office? You know, trying to telegraph? Hey, we don't really want to pay this guy, by the way, you know? And this could be they actually have been having problems.
Or maybe it's a couple of little issues and they're just gonna take those little issues, exacerbate them and create this narrative.
That's the tricky part of all of this.
Is that you know, media, in a lot of ways, is the pawn, and some of this sometimes they are the catalyst, but it's very tough to discern.
I think in these things it's always tricky with that.
So go bears an interesting case because, you know, it's really hard to tell.
Is money talking or is this really, really, really deal feuds? Is this a guy whose personality is childish, You know, in the prototypical center who way like Dwight our inside, you know it's a bad thing, but yeah, I don't know, it's tricky, so I think there's a couple of factors.
Yeah, I think there's a bunch of factors, and sometimes it could be a perfect storm.
Sometimes it could be a lot more simple than that.
With Gobert, it's like a potential perfect storm.
You got this free agency pending coming up.
You've got the fact that he is forever linked with covert 19 this pandemic.
We will never get the image out of our head of him touching all the phones are about the media, him playing like that with the media and then him being the first player to contract the virus.
So maybe even from a PR standpoint, the Utah Jazz want to separate from him.
Maybe the front office was already planning on going the other way and building this team around Donovan Donovan. Visual.
So you have the perfect store in there and then back to Katie.
Maybe it wasn't a media thing.
Maybe it wasn't a perfect storm of things there either, because way looking Katie last year there was a bunch of factors.
Whether it was okay.
He never said he wanted to be with the Warriors.
Whether it was the Warriors forced him into the finals and he ended up getting hurt.
And he had to leave whether it was Draymond in that incident.
Perfect store for him to go.
But like, this is Katie.
This is the same Katie that sat in front of media and said, You know what? I am right? Okay, D the same KD that has ah, burner account that everyone rose to four about his burner count.
The same Katie that goes at any fan on Twitter.
It could be an anonymous account.
It could be a real person.
He will defend himself.
And then he also has rich climbing to defend himself.
So I don't want to hear that.
Like, Oh, these things, though, have a factor or whatever.
A lot of times there's a perfect storm.
A lot of times it's just business.
And there is one reason that you know, these, uh, these guys go elsewhere and it's the MBA.
It's the climate of the MBA is where we are today.
Like nobody is married to one team or franchise anymore.
You can see, uh, you know, these guys like Jordan play for the Bulls their whole career and then put a Wizards jersey on at the end.
And we've been seeing that now for 20 years.
And one of the things too because I was thinking about some of the other players across the sports where you see this occur from you to spending a P r standpoint, right? So even go.
Even Golden State Warriors older me on the back end of it, they didn't even say anything terribly negative about about Kevin Durant.
So we don't felt like it was his time.
He chose to move on.
We loved what he did for us while he was here, and they're trying to balance that.
We're not going to sit here and tell you we didn't want him.
We don't need him because who knows? Maybe we could get Kevin Durant back your one day, you know, so always trying to balance those relationships, but a couple of one's rate in kind of our backyard.
In terms of New York, you go back with the Giants and O.
J. And kind of how that relationship deteriorated for them.
A lot of that felt like think about this guy from assure personality.
Okay, Corky guy didn't always love some of the antics, but it's never in real trouble off the court, as far it never No, no issue with law, nothing you know, so egregious.
But at a certain point, it felt like there was this this balance of what's the value I get from this guy on the field? And then what? What am I suffering from? From a PR perspective rate in the same stadium there, Woody Johnson is notably an owner of a professional football team who is very tuned in tow.
Have the fan base feels how the media response, how they criticize him and he can get reactionary with that as well.
So I think there's also that side of it where, no matter what, any of these stories are how they're impacting players the next year up.
GM owners, those people, individuals get impacted by the way the perception is getting steered and they start to respond in that way to try to, you know, always be presenting that we're okay.
Okay, The team is good.
This player made a choice.
It wasn't us This, you know, this situation happened, didn't come back to us.
We don't have to get into the into the politics of it.
But Colin Kaepernick is obviously a fantastic example of that where all the sudden owners around the NFL were put into a position of saying, What how do we want to be presented here? What are we willing to risk from the media and how they're going to judge us or even speculate on what it would mean if we chose to to bring in this player or to move on from one? Well, these teams have been here before the players and will be here after the players.
It's such and the market matters we're talking about media in New York, market one.
It's way different media than in Utah with the Utah Jazz.
All that matters.
All that place of factor, these thieves g m's, these owners thinking business.
They're thinking about their fan base.
Like you said, OK, we got to get rid of a No B J because we're trying to develop a winning culture here and we want this fan base to get back to winning.
We don't feel like this one guy is worth what he brings.
We rather get rid of him and try and rebuild whatever like in those decisions get made and you can say what you want about him. But at the end of the day.
Like like I said, the teams focused on the team past, present and future organization, past president, future and the media.
The market there.
And I don't know that if you want jumping out as well because the one last thing it's tied back into the n b A and this is more of the question.
How hard do you think it was for LeBron James to leave Cleveland the first time to go to Miami? Because he wanted to make sure the cemented his legacy and wins championships? We have to talk.
We talked about this Keith burning jerseys in the streets, so he's getting a message sent from his home from where he's from and the place that he wanted to win at.
This is how we feel about you and that's gonna get exploded out there in the media.
And then he ultimately make that choice to come back.
You know, if I'm an individual Bama player, man, you know I have a mentality of if you burn a bridge or burn my clothes, you know you're sending a clear message to me.
Why don't I want to come back and be the thing and That's also the balance to of local media members, local fan bases and how how they treat a superstar athlete with We love you also don't ever leave us.
And if you ever make a choice, that's best interest for you.
That's it will tear you down.
And if you choose to come back, we'll act like we didn't say those things.
You know, there's a real There's a real world wind that goes around all these types of things, and I feel like it always say You're making millions of dollars.
You're a superstar athlete.
It doesn't mean that your you should be subjected to the scrutiny and whim of how I, as an individual may feel about yeah, um, LeBron situation is unique just because of like, you know, I mean, what are the chances that you have a guy who is a top five player that gets drafted to where he's from, where he grew up, like a team that I guess presumably rooted for? So that's a unique situation.
Um, I've actually been happy.
I don't feel like there.
I haven't seen the What was the last Jersey burning thing we saw was did the pelicans fans do that for a D.
I don't feel like they did.
I think that's cooled off a little bit.
Yeah, I think they're all right.
Right, Because I think but again, that's a franchise where I feel like when that what 80 was there, it felt like, Oh, yeah, like you're darn man.
They also knew that, didn't you? A job.
I think the average pelicans fan knew like, Hey, we did an awful job like we put like Ryan Anderson next to this guy.
And like, Colder today.
I know Andrew Hot.
I guess I don't want to sleep, but, uh, no.
I mean, I think that it's, uh I I think it is really like he's an anomaly in so many different ways, LeBron.
I mean, every aspect of his career is just, you know, once in a lifetime, you this once in a lifetime type of talent, once in a lifetime longevity.
Um, and even that situation he handled it like a complete one.
On what? One of one? Um, he left the team and came back and fulfilled a prophecy.
Um, I don't know if you'll see that again.
Especially with how outwardly he was chastised by that fan base.
I mean, it's just it's a story book.
It really is that has got to be one of the craziest storybook endings to come back 3 to 1 to two capital off.
I mean, it's perseverance, really in a nutshell.
So, yeah, I don't know if that will ever happen again.
Oh, I don't think it should honestly, like if your fans, if fans, we're gonna do that and, you know, burn bridges like that.
I mean, honestly, the it's a great story also taught a terrible lesson.
I think the general nd a fan is that, Oh, you can burn a guy's jersey and guess what? He can actually win you your first championship in the city, and I don't even know how long.
So, yeah, I actually hope it doesn't happen again.
Honestly, I don't think it can't happen again.
LeBron is such a rare talent.
He's such a rare athlete, like he's one of the only guys that could do that like become a villain, leave go, win championships and then be on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
I'm coming home and everyone's separate, raise him and then actually go home and then win it **** like I don't think we'll ever see that any sporting as far as the Jersey burning goes, it depends on the player and the place.
So, like you're going to, you're going to see LeBron James jerseys getting burned.
I don't know what year it was, but was it 5 4006? Biggest earlier? That I want to go three.
Maybe, but I think it's something back to 2003.
You're going to see people in Ohio burning LeBron James jerseys when K D left in 2013 from the Warriors.
Um, I think later earned.
It was later than that.
Mike Myers for 2020 16 left.
Okay, see for the Warriors.
You're going to see people in Oklahoma burning Katie jerseys, and we talked about a little bit on another stream of ill like race plays into that.
It's 100% of factor because nobody is burning across Jersey and I dance for you to see anyone burning Tom Brady's jersey in Boston.
Actually, those fans are going to buy Tampa Bay Buccaneers jerseys in Boston right now, so yeah, that zone under 100% really weird thing, and I don't know.
I don't know what that is because like Tom Brady would be the perfect example of how there you leave this. I don't see.
I don't foresee any Brooklyn Nets fans turning around and burning Katie or Kyra's jersey if they chose to to leave after this contract.
I think of I think everyone's pretty squarely in their corner and you're probably right, too.
I don't I don't know why.
I guess you said Matt.
Fans get kind of justified by sand and we can do whatever we can treat whatever you want.
You may get back up for us.
It takes a specific individual to be able to accomplish that.
And then beyond that, though, I don't know if a lot of NBA players, regardless, that situation there are going to see that and say, Yeah, Kevin Durant, why would I want to go maybe to the Wizards and try toe rejuvenate that franchise where I'm from and put myself in the position off? There's only one way for me truly to succeed here, and that's to win a championship.
Anything less than that and it's going to be at the very least, you're gonna be looked at as, ah, failure from that franchises perspective.
You know, obviously Golden State, where have the choice that he makes his career onto themselves.
But beyond that, there were really a lot of other ones.
Listen, the the Kobe Shack one was another interesting one that I thought was one of the more recent recent memory.
Once where you go, Ah, guy getting on back in 32 years old by the time Shack leaves there.
But that's just an example of two of two, you know, to athletes at the top of their game, butting heads and choosing to part ways.
And again, regardless of what happened in the media around that, at the back end of it, it feels like a lot of that relationship and very much even itself out.
They were locked out, and that's I think we're in close on this.
All of these players and we mentioned it on the stream yesterday.
Steph Curry and Kevin Durant.
They embraced when they see each other after a game, you see LeBron James and Kyrie Irving.
They're out there on good terms.
All of these players are very much more in the camp of We want to see us do well.
We want to see the, you know, our individual success go wherever we need to take us.
And a lot of this at least contention between guys that feels like if there is a media role, it's that if there's something to elevate, we will elevate it right.
We will make it as big as it can possibly be potentially And in some instances, maybe, like Draymond Green and Kevin Durant, it can fuel a Rift Mawr than it ever really needed today.
And that's what we've seen.
And we will continue to see less less burning of jerseys and mawr making.
Ah, what it was.
That was the phrase, um, and Hill into a mountain of a mole hill.
Something like that, like bold original map, Right, making um a little into a mountain like That's what the media does, and that's what gets clicks.
And that's what you know, pays these ads and all these other things.
Yeah, I, for one prefer, was celebrated, so let's celebrate the athletes right.
Let's celebrate what they're doing with celebrate their personalities and enjoy what they do on the court.
We can wrap it up there.
I think what we know for sure is one person on this stream needs to do a better job repping a particular franchise.
That's not a big deal, Matt.
I don't want to throw into the budgets.
Listen, don't know.
It could be a logo right here, because you anything just below here, you don't know Rocket.
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