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00:00:09
all right.
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And we are, of course, back in talking all things N b a action right now on the right side of your screen, you got Matt Brooks.
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In the middle screen in the Centre Square is Keith McPherson.
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I'm at a mob Rex, and we are coming back in course and has conversations around the last dance.
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This one brings in a maybe a familiar face that's not Ah, not a stranger to confrontation or conflict.
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Potentially, Thio briefly set the table.
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We're talking about Draymond Green and some of his comments around Michael Jordan's response to Scottie Pippen in the last dance.
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Of course, he's looks at his contract heading into that final year and getting a bit of a surgery that he needed mrs 38 games and the commentary from Jordan was pretty straightforward.
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I shouldn't have done it.
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Not getting that new contracts didn't appreciate it and like it.
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But beyond that, Truman's commentary is disappointment.
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In arguably the greatest basketball player of all time, you can start where you want guys.
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I'll go to you first teeth.
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Are you? You could talk about you talk about dream on if you want, but just at the onset.
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Did you have any issue with the way pip and handle that situation and the way Jordan responded to it? No, Um, I've said on Twitter said On these dreams, Pippen can do no wrong in my eyes.
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I'm fine with how we handled everything.
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And it's so far in the past us looking at it now and trying to judge it or whatever.
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It really doesn't matter.
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Um, I understand when Pippen said he wasn't gonna mess his summer, I understood why Pip Pip and had issues with Kraus.
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Um, all of that seemed valid to me.
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And then I like how they built Scotty up and they gave us his background.
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They showed us that, you know, this guy grew up with two feet to people in his family that were physically disabled that, you know, he had two people that were crippled in his family.
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So what do you expect from a guy that sees his family members stuck in and chairs and can't do all the things that he could do? As soon as he gets his first contract, he signs for seven years.
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18 million. The guy just wanted some security.
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He wanted to know that he was gonna be able to take care of his family.
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Now that is gonna lead me to my next point, right? Like the business of the MBA.
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Completely different business back then, Completely different MBA back then the money back then like no, like, Come on, the Super Max contracts.
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It's way different.
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So for a guy like Draymond to try and use this do***entary to speak on Katie and I'm getting to that a little bit later, but also to criticize Jordan for how he for what he said about Scotty, you know, it's just like Draymond. Get out of here.
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State less Do you can't compare is literally comparing apples to oranges, trying to compare 2020 n. B. A.
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1998 MBIA.
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It's completely different on your side of it, Matt.
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When you think about the idea that in this do***entary it lays out how Michael Jordan had issues with Krauts, right? Everybody had issues with crafts.
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Do you find it interesting at all that he seems to not be able to understand? Maybe where Pip is coming from in that situation get given everything that Keith lays out there.
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Listen sometimes you you signed that first contract because it's important coming out of college.
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And what that provides you with it doesn't mean that when you turn around and you realize how the n b A has certainly changed that you want to have a little bit reevaluation there.
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Any issue on your end in the way Jordan looked at data or how Pippen handled as well.
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I mean, I think this from like a really macro sense, like you always have to be thankful somebody wants to be like is credibly like that Number two guy and does whatever it takes for that.
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And I think that it's very easy like you just in anything.
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I mean, you see this right now with, as Keith mentioned with, uh, with Durant and Draymond Green.
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It's very easy for guys in whatever roles, whether it's a number one and number two number three, number four worlds to sort of have a little bit of an oversight what a guy from a different class of that is doing so for Jordan to you know, I mean, just even like having this sort of oversight, I guess, for for what? For what Scottie Pippen was bringing what he was giving him his ability to, you know, sort of manage his own ego.
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I think that's really important.
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And then on the flip side, like with what'd Raymond's doing and commenting on this? I just think there's, like, a little bit of team, um, general makeup that I think a lot of these guys lose in the sense because they have a little bit of cognitive dissonance about where these guys all sitting like what that means to be able to do their roles really well.
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You know, you brought up the point there, Keith as well.
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And Matt, you pick up on a two as hip in being the secondary guy behind Jordan.
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Do you look at Draymond Green, who has always been the second or third wheel in Golden State.
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Do you think he's identifying with Pippen and that mentality because you started to say about there's a big difference between where the MBA was and where it is now, And it also seems like Draymond Green is in his guys cornered.
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He talked about Steph Curry and maybe Clay Thompson, but we know there's a lot of history there as well when Katie was a part of the Golden State Warriors.
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And some of the issues that seemed to bubble up is there's dream on Green, not have a self awareness about where he is in the hierarchy of things.
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No, I think he knows.
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Charles Barkley came out and said He's the fifth member of the boy band like they're screaming for Justin Timberlake.
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They're screaming for Nicholas Shay, which is the Splash Brothers, which is step, which is Clay.
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They're not cheering for you.
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They don't love you like that.
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What? He said, the ball beers, I think dream on is just, you know, he's been in the house for a long time.
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The ASM and Plan.
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He's a basketball guy.
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It needs to be hooping.
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And since he's not hoping, it's putting his ugly face in the Instagram Live and in any chat that he could get into, and he's just spewing whatever he can spew.
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It took him months to address the Katie situation, and he used.
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He used his doc as I don't know, leverage for his own situation, and then, like I'll read from his own quote, he says.
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Um, I was I was kind of disappointed when Mike still to this day is like Scott was wrong.
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Like, No, you roll with your dogs because they ride with you.
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What you talking about? Dream on in the middle of the game.
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You weren't riding with Cady in the middle of the game.
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We're going at your dog actively, like literally going at him.
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That's your riding with your dogs like I don't want to hear from from Dre.
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Mani.
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He can't flip this to make it fit his narrative at all.
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The one thing I'll say for his narrative is that he did tie it together with last dance a little bit and saying that Well, they have that clarity.
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They knew this was their last go at it.
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That was the one kind of thing I could say from his corner, whether or not that's actually how he feels about it. They ultimatum.
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Do they like the GM made that ultimatum for them.
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The GM in Golden State never said the Katie.
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Katie, this is your last year with us.
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We don't want you back.
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And Draymond tried to say that Katie should have announced it to the team.
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It's business.
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He came to Golden State as a business decision, and he left Golden State as a business decision.
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And he doesn't have to consult you about his business.
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Especially when at the time he really didn't know where he was gonna go.
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And as the next man, I'm so glad that he ended up in Brooklyn.
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But I feel like he didn't know where he was gonna go until he popped his Achilles.
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And they had some time to think in rehab.
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And he had Brooklyn in the back of his mind.
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But at the time that him and dreamin were falling out on the court, he didn't know that he was gonna go to Brooklyn.
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He couldn't announce to the team him out of here because if they were that somehow, miraculously come back and win the fighter finals last year.
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And Katie doesn't pop his Achilles.
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Maybe they have another parade and Katie decides, Man, I want to finish my career here.
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We put up another banner I want to stay.
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So dream on.
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Missed me with rope.
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Okay, You're not You're not gonna pull Keith around no matter what you try to say Here, dream on anything to the idea that, you know, by the time I think about time here that last year Jordan's making something over 30 million, You know that that Pippins they're making, too, because they come into that season knowing that there is no coming back.
00:07:58
Next year, everyone's gonna be going their separate ways, maybe outside of this dream on commentary.
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But anything in that sense of of of the superstar, maybe maybe ties into dream on backing his guy and maybe supporting him publicly regardless of what it means internally for him, getting a new contract is saying I've got mine and Pippen deserves it, because inside the do***entary is the funny part.
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Is that the interesting part? You talk about a player like Jordan who was very black and white.
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We're going forward with this.
00:08:26
So while he criticizes Pippen and said he shouldn't have done it, he also said, Anytime you're gonna bring up my name, the same sentence should include Scottie Pippen.
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So he's completely aware of what Pippins value was.
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But would either of you will start with Matt If you want to say that he should have voiced support of hip and being deserving of that, Um much sure.
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I mean, I think that, like, that's so tricky because he's like he's sort of giving and taking by saying, Look like you do need to mention a name.
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But also here is exactly what he did wrong. What I didn't like.
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So it's like a real backhanded way of doing that, which is like also very Jordan esque.
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In a way, it's like a lot of these guys are.
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It's like those state they'll say publicly and it's I'm talking like the real top and top end guys.
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Well, say publicly, What you know you sort of want to hear is a teammate.
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But then, like, there's those little like jabs here and there, so I don't know, it's It's kind of hard to discern where the real emotion is.
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These guys are so media trained that, you know, even back then, like it's just it's kind of hard for me to get a feel for but part linen.
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Jordan said what he said about Pippen recently.
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He wasn't saying that in the nineties.
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He wasn't He wasn't saying Wait, let's not shoot space jam without Scottie.
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He wasn't saying that he wasn't.
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You know I can't do another Gatorade commercial unless we put Pippen and he's saying that now because we've had decades.
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But conversations about who is the goat now? He comes out and says, I didn't win without Scott.
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He's the greatest team eight hour ever played with.
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He wasn't worried about that when he was collecting 36 Mill when he was M. J.
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He was also M J.
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Before pimping got drafted.
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We had a lot of M J moments and swag and flair and just start him out there by himself from 84 87 before tipping was the guy.
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So it's just different, you know? And that's why I don't like I said, I don't like dream on trying to, like, harking back to like their team and how their business was going on. It's not the same.
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It's not the same Jordan.
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Maybe he did.
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Maybe behind the scenes, Jordan did say, Hey, hold on, you know, like we should be taking care of Scotty.
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I know there were some offers on the table, right Cross spoke to, he said.
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There were some offers that they liked.
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What stop those offers? Jordan saying, No, you're not breaking up 19.
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So I would I would say that maybe back then when Jordan was collected 36 Bill and Pittman was collected.
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Two mil.
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Maybe Jordan did say something privately.
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We'll never know that.
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We'll never know.
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That's true to the other big element.
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I think when you look at this stuff is you talk about Golden State warriors, you know, Clay and Dream on.
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And Steph, they've all been taken care of by my Golden State, and you talk about the hired gun of kg.
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Or however people wanna look at that from the outside.
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Does that bring hollow? Then, when Dream was talking about that stuff? Because guess what? Like you've never had to be in that situation, right? You've never had to sign the the $18 million.
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7 year contract and you can look at it and be supportive of Pippen.
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But you're also you're also cleaning up right.
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The MBA is a lot different now in terms of contracts and everybody you think care.
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Do you think that he's also probably benefited from the support of Clay? Or especially probably Steph Curry and saying, I want these three, these two guys with me here in Golden State.
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Maybe Katie comes and goes, but these guys, they did.
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You keep getting paid, we can think about it comparatively to Brooklyn.
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Now we're bringing in Cairo and Cady.
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It seemed to come with the caveat of we want DeAndre Jordan year, and we want him to get a contract that feels respectful of his career has been.
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And because we want it all, team, maybe between imprints, gets during that category as well.
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They're in.
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Terrible.
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So maybe that looked at that feeds.
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And our party does betray Monceau.
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It's hard to dig in any kind of wiggle room.
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Yeah, Dream on. Tricky character.
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Um, I thought I mean, I'm just gonna touch on, like, the stuff that he said the day about, Uh, just Katie and all of that.
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Um, I actually so, Keith, I don't know if you're gonna agree with this whole heartedly.
00:12:25
I didn't mind his statements.
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I think as much as other people and like, that's kind of honestly, like, I really want to, like, get into this little bit because I want to get into a live debate setting with somebody who's gonna be on the other side of this.
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I am mind what he said about Katie that much.
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I could see what I was like, frustrating.
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And I think that everything that happened and everything that Draymond said live and juxtaposing his situation last year with Warriors with Katie to the way that last dance played out, it just seems like everybody had a different perception of how last year should have gone.
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You know, you have Katie with his his, uh, his.
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You know, his homegrown guys are Susie Draymond with his homegrown guys, the core that he's been with since, Really, they've all been drafted, and they bring in this hired gun in a sense.
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And as it turns out, the guy's had been there for a long time.
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They want to keep it in house and have open communication.
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And hired gun handled things on his own because he's a hired gun.
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So it just seemed like different personality clashes to me.
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My thing my thing with it is, he said, attached to that, he said Clay was getting, you know, interviewed and saying, I want to be a warrior.
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I want I want I want to finish my career here.
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I was getting an interview and said, I want to be a warrior for life.
00:13:39
Kevin didn't say that.
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Well, like you mentioned, like homegrown versus a hired gun.
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We see that in every single sport.
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Right When you're ah whole grown guy, you have the fans a different way.
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You have the media a different way.
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You have the front office a different way.
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As far as like their attachment to you.
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You knew K D was not like that.
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Katie is Katie.
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Katie is otherworldly.
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Katie is one of the best basketball players we've ever seen.
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Dribble a pill like you knew that he wasn't going toe end up with you homegrown guys and say, I want to be a warrior for life because it wouldn't have been received the same.
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Like coming from you guys that were drafted there.
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That changed the culture there, that 11 of finals without him and then one a couple more with him, like it is different.
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So, like, that's what I'm saying.
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He can't flip it now with Jordan and Piven.
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They were homegrown drafted guys.
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They were a tandem.
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They played together.
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And for that tandem to be that successful and for Jordan's playing to be up here and from Pip.
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It's going to be down here like that is wrong.
00:14:40
That isn't right at all.
00:14:42
And I just don't understand why Draymond Draymond Green has so much of an opinion on this, Um especially as it compares to his own situation, his own team.
00:14:50
I just I feel you can't compare the two and oddly enough, to something to the idea that Draymond You can say this after the fact that you want Katie to come out and say that he wants to be here and he wants to retire a warrior in choosing to retire warrior.
00:15:04
But it costs you.
00:15:05
Being able to retire is a warrior Draymond Green Lake.
00:15:07
And if somebody's going out the door, it's probably gonna be you first dream on before its claim before it's Steph.
00:15:12
So there is also something to that to that when you make that kind of statement, it rings hollow because him can wrestle for a lot of reasons because you're the guy that had the problems with him because you're the guy that didn't want in there.
00:15:25
You're the guy that didn't appreciate that Katie's presence diminish your role and your value to this team.
00:15:32
It made it very apparent that hey, if we needed to shift gears here in Golden State and we wanted to keep Katie, it's going to be dream on the outside looking in first.
00:15:40
So when you come back and say, Well, I wanted to say you want to be committed here where you're gonna cough up some money for him because then you almost end up in that you can put him in that kind of Michael Jordan roll, right? Let's make it all be even here.
00:15:51
We want to make sure that we get the money across the board to keep Katie dreamin.
00:15:54
We're gonna need you to drop your salary down a little bit.
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We're gonna need Steph Curry and maybe Clay Thompson.
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Let's all agree to bring these salaries dance and make a pot of money for arguably one of the two best players in the n B.
00:16:03
A right now.
00:16:04
So I also think that that's where that maybe ah, I feel like he's going direction.
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A little bit of punk move from dream on toe.
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Always be having that.
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Let me say it on the back end when it doesn't really matter anymore. It doesn't matter.
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Anybody talk right now, It's late.
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It's so many months late.
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We could came up with a better story or a better response months ago.
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Like how we didn't hear this in in June last year when Katie signed with the Nets.
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Like, How come we didn't hear this in July when everyone was weighing in on why he chose the next over the Knicks? It just it fixes his narrative now.
00:16:37
It's just that Oh, everyone is watching this.
00:16:40
Everyone is sitting at home now.
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I have a captive audience to go live and use this do***entary and say, Oh, we had a similar situation.
00:16:47
You know how they came out and said This was the last dance? Well, Katie should it came out and said it was his last dance with us. No, dude, it doesn't.
00:16:54
You can't fit a a circle peg in a square hole.
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It just doesn't work like I get where you know and it's got us talking about it.
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It's got articles written about.
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It has got people on Twitter talking about it.
00:17:04
I get where he was trying to go, but like I see right through that.
00:17:07
This is Trey.
00:17:08
Ma. This is dreamin. Use a village.
00:17:10
Nobody really likes him.
00:17:12
Uh, unless you're dubs fan and I I know I don't have to say is anyone that has been watching this green screen stream could tell I don't like dream on, Came to get the word It just frustrates me that, like like he's the same dude over and over.
00:17:27
I guess it's part of his brand.
00:17:29
It's like, Dude, just say less and do less.
00:17:31
Katie is gone.
00:17:32
Why, you've been still talking about Katie.
00:17:35
I really didn't get I don't know why this didn't rub me the wrong way.
00:17:38
I've heard everything.
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I heard every I really, truly I don't know.
00:17:42
It just felt like he answered a question about, you know, just about there.
00:17:46
They're Dynamic has takeaways to the to the you know, the do***entary.
00:17:51
And he just said, Yeah, I like that.
00:17:52
Honestly, from his perspective, it would suck to get asked over and over about his free agency, the team's free agency, after they've works as a group.
00:18:01
The whole Simon really never dealt with any media drama up to that point.
00:18:07
I mean, they're just really wasn't any.
00:18:08
Obviously, a lot of it is his fault because he quite literally, you know, called Katie.
00:18:13
You know, the B word events.
00:18:16
You know what I mean? Like, it is his fault.
00:18:18
But I do see it a little bit.
00:18:20
I'm like, All right, You know what, like that would be frustrating.
00:18:23
It's not fair of you to expect Katie to be like, Hey, I'm showing up in training camp.
00:18:28
By the way, I'm leaving.
00:18:29
When Katie probably didn't even know half the season if they'd won a championship, there's a good chance Katie would have done another one and one orgy, even just a one year deal.
00:18:37
But I can see how that's frustrating, right? So that's why I'm saying, like, at the end of this, for all of this, I think it has been a lot of discussions on when there is not a lot to discuss.
00:18:47
Um, I can see both sides.
00:18:50
I can see how it's frustrating for Draymond.
00:18:52
I don't I'm not a Draymond guy either, so it feels weird to, like, ever pick his side in anything, and I think it's very easy to ride the bias of not liking somebody in it.
00:19:01
you know, seeming like it's in this guy's character personally, how I took it, and this could be totally wrong.
00:19:06
Maybe I missed something from that interview, but it was just.
00:19:09
He was talking about the vibe of last year as it pertained to him having to deal with media questioning and Katie having a different philosophy on how he wanted to handle his business.
00:19:21
And he handled it the right way.
00:19:22
It seems so.
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I think the last thing I'll say about a deuce is this, Um there's dreamin and how he handled it.
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And then there's also step and how he handled it, right.
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And Steph.
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His relationship with Katie is great, right? It was Drummond's ego that started all of this.
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It was Draymond making a mistake in the game that the world saw that started the split, and Katie was on all the smoke podcast with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson, and he talked about it.
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He said, like Yo, Dream are Nobody was expecting that, like Draymond kinda acted out in that game.
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You're supposed to give up the ball or something, and he didn't give up the ball.
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He kind of made a selfish play, and then that blew up, and he wasn't sure what Dreamin was going through.
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It wasn't like they had any issues before.
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I think Dreamin was harboring these feelings, so he kind of brought it on himself with the media questions.
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And when you look at a guy like Steph and anywhere stuff was on the same podcast like anywhere, they've asked stuff about it.
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Stuff hasn't had the same things to say about it because he wasn't part of the problem.
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He has a great relationship with Katie and still does and has only good things to say about Katie.
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Draven is still eight months later, trying Thio put lipstick on a pig, make himself look better.
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You know, he's looking for anything he can to dress up.
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What he did so that he goes down in history is not the bad guy that created a split between one of the best teams we've ever seen.
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And sometimes when you try to walk back a comment that you've made it, inevitably you end up making it worse for yourself, and I feel like that's a little bit maybe what's gone on with Draymond, the last little clothes out to this is listen.
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Jordan didn't go in and announced it was his last year with the Bulls.
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The organization made that statement to them, so to say that Katie did to come into Golden State and announced that he was gonna leave.
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That's not what it was.
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It would have been like saying if the ownership came from Golden State and said, We're not gonna bring back a D next year.
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This is the last run for this team And finally, don't forget this is a guy that was injured and made the effort to get back out on the court with that seem to help him win a championship means of going down and ultimately costing the Brooklyn.
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That's an opportunity to see him on the court, but I know they got the guy's pot commit, You know, he was pot committed to do that.
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And I think there's some interesting thing Tie it into the last dance of just to say that Ah, Draymond green and a lot of ways feels a little bit like the Dennis Rodman of that team, right? We're I think we're gonna hear a lot about Jordan and saying how there's an order that quote out there of him trying to have to treat Rodman like it ain't like his eight year old son just a rain of Men and control them.
00:21:47
And Steph Curry and probably Clay Thompson have to do a lot of that with a guy like dream on with that personality.
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And unfortunately, when he gets off the leash a little bit, all the sudden butts heads with another superstar and the thing just in close, that's a very valuable point that you made about all of that was actually perfect.
00:22:06
Close out.
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There's nothing better than just receiving accolades.
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Yeah, myself at the door, your fax ethics.
00:22:16
Thank you. Thank you for teeth.
00:22:18
McPherson for Matt Brooks.
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Adam Arm Rex here Obviously continuing to do these clutch points crossover content.
00:22:23
We'll be back in early and often talking.
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All things end a action.
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Thanks for checking in with us
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Draymond Green criticizes Michael Jordan for criticizing Scottie Pippen

Draymond Green was one of many who watched The Last Dance that had an opinion on how the Chicago Bulls treated Scottie Pippen. The Golden State Warriors forward did not hold back from criticizing Michael Jordan, who had been critical of Pippen for delaying his back surgery, which caused him to miss part of the 1997-98 […]

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all right.
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And we are, of course, back in talking all things N b a action right now on the right side of your screen, you got Matt Brooks.
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In the middle screen in the Centre Square is Keith McPherson.
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I'm at a mob Rex, and we are coming back in course and has conversations around the last dance.
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This one brings in a maybe a familiar face that's not Ah, not a stranger to confrontation or conflict.
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Potentially, Thio briefly set the table.
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We're talking about Draymond Green and some of his comments around Michael Jordan's response to Scottie Pippen in the last dance.
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Of course, he's looks at his contract heading into that final year and getting a bit of a surgery that he needed mrs 38 games and the commentary from Jordan was pretty straightforward.
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I shouldn't have done it.
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Not getting that new contracts didn't appreciate it and like it.
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But beyond that, Truman's commentary is disappointment.
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In arguably the greatest basketball player of all time, you can start where you want guys.
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I'll go to you first teeth.
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Are you? You could talk about you talk about dream on if you want, but just at the onset.
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Did you have any issue with the way pip and handle that situation and the way Jordan responded to it? No, Um, I've said on Twitter said On these dreams, Pippen can do no wrong in my eyes.
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I'm fine with how we handled everything.
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And it's so far in the past us looking at it now and trying to judge it or whatever.
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It really doesn't matter.
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Um, I understand when Pippen said he wasn't gonna mess his summer, I understood why Pip Pip and had issues with Kraus.
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Um, all of that seemed valid to me.
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And then I like how they built Scotty up and they gave us his background.
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They showed us that, you know, this guy grew up with two feet to people in his family that were physically disabled that, you know, he had two people that were crippled in his family.
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So what do you expect from a guy that sees his family members stuck in and chairs and can't do all the things that he could do? As soon as he gets his first contract, he signs for seven years.
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18 million. The guy just wanted some security.
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He wanted to know that he was gonna be able to take care of his family.
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Now that is gonna lead me to my next point, right? Like the business of the MBA.
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Completely different business back then, Completely different MBA back then the money back then like no, like, Come on, the Super Max contracts.
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It's way different.
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So for a guy like Draymond to try and use this do***entary to speak on Katie and I'm getting to that a little bit later, but also to criticize Jordan for how he for what he said about Scotty, you know, it's just like Draymond. Get out of here.
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State less Do you can't compare is literally comparing apples to oranges, trying to compare 2020 n. B. A.
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1998 MBIA.
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It's completely different on your side of it, Matt.
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When you think about the idea that in this do***entary it lays out how Michael Jordan had issues with Krauts, right? Everybody had issues with crafts.
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Do you find it interesting at all that he seems to not be able to understand? Maybe where Pip is coming from in that situation get given everything that Keith lays out there.
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Listen sometimes you you signed that first contract because it's important coming out of college.
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And what that provides you with it doesn't mean that when you turn around and you realize how the n b A has certainly changed that you want to have a little bit reevaluation there.
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Any issue on your end in the way Jordan looked at data or how Pippen handled as well.
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I mean, I think this from like a really macro sense, like you always have to be thankful somebody wants to be like is credibly like that Number two guy and does whatever it takes for that.
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And I think that it's very easy like you just in anything.
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I mean, you see this right now with, as Keith mentioned with, uh, with Durant and Draymond Green.
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It's very easy for guys in whatever roles, whether it's a number one and number two number three, number four worlds to sort of have a little bit of an oversight what a guy from a different class of that is doing so for Jordan to you know, I mean, just even like having this sort of oversight, I guess, for for what? For what Scottie Pippen was bringing what he was giving him his ability to, you know, sort of manage his own ego.
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I think that's really important.
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And then on the flip side, like with what'd Raymond's doing and commenting on this? I just think there's, like, a little bit of team, um, general makeup that I think a lot of these guys lose in the sense because they have a little bit of cognitive dissonance about where these guys all sitting like what that means to be able to do their roles really well.
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You know, you brought up the point there, Keith as well.
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And Matt, you pick up on a two as hip in being the secondary guy behind Jordan.
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Do you look at Draymond Green, who has always been the second or third wheel in Golden State.
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Do you think he's identifying with Pippen and that mentality because you started to say about there's a big difference between where the MBA was and where it is now, And it also seems like Draymond Green is in his guys cornered.
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He talked about Steph Curry and maybe Clay Thompson, but we know there's a lot of history there as well when Katie was a part of the Golden State Warriors.
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And some of the issues that seemed to bubble up is there's dream on Green, not have a self awareness about where he is in the hierarchy of things.
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No, I think he knows.
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Charles Barkley came out and said He's the fifth member of the boy band like they're screaming for Justin Timberlake.
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They're screaming for Nicholas Shay, which is the Splash Brothers, which is step, which is Clay.
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They're not cheering for you.
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They don't love you like that.
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What? He said, the ball beers, I think dream on is just, you know, he's been in the house for a long time.
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The ASM and Plan.
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He's a basketball guy.
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It needs to be hooping.
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And since he's not hoping, it's putting his ugly face in the Instagram Live and in any chat that he could get into, and he's just spewing whatever he can spew.
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It took him months to address the Katie situation, and he used.
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He used his doc as I don't know, leverage for his own situation, and then, like I'll read from his own quote, he says.
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Um, I was I was kind of disappointed when Mike still to this day is like Scott was wrong.
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Like, No, you roll with your dogs because they ride with you.
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What you talking about? Dream on in the middle of the game.
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You weren't riding with Cady in the middle of the game.
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We're going at your dog actively, like literally going at him.
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That's your riding with your dogs like I don't want to hear from from Dre.
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Mani.
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He can't flip this to make it fit his narrative at all.
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The one thing I'll say for his narrative is that he did tie it together with last dance a little bit and saying that Well, they have that clarity.
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They knew this was their last go at it.
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That was the one kind of thing I could say from his corner, whether or not that's actually how he feels about it. They ultimatum.
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Do they like the GM made that ultimatum for them.
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The GM in Golden State never said the Katie.
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Katie, this is your last year with us.
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We don't want you back.
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And Draymond tried to say that Katie should have announced it to the team.
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It's business.
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He came to Golden State as a business decision, and he left Golden State as a business decision.
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And he doesn't have to consult you about his business.
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Especially when at the time he really didn't know where he was gonna go.
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And as the next man, I'm so glad that he ended up in Brooklyn.
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But I feel like he didn't know where he was gonna go until he popped his Achilles.
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And they had some time to think in rehab.
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And he had Brooklyn in the back of his mind.
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But at the time that him and dreamin were falling out on the court, he didn't know that he was gonna go to Brooklyn.
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He couldn't announce to the team him out of here because if they were that somehow, miraculously come back and win the fighter finals last year.
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And Katie doesn't pop his Achilles.
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Maybe they have another parade and Katie decides, Man, I want to finish my career here.
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We put up another banner I want to stay.
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So dream on.
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Missed me with rope.
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Okay, You're not You're not gonna pull Keith around no matter what you try to say Here, dream on anything to the idea that, you know, by the time I think about time here that last year Jordan's making something over 30 million, You know that that Pippins they're making, too, because they come into that season knowing that there is no coming back.
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Next year, everyone's gonna be going their separate ways, maybe outside of this dream on commentary.
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But anything in that sense of of of the superstar, maybe maybe ties into dream on backing his guy and maybe supporting him publicly regardless of what it means internally for him, getting a new contract is saying I've got mine and Pippen deserves it, because inside the do***entary is the funny part.
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Is that the interesting part? You talk about a player like Jordan who was very black and white.
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We're going forward with this.
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So while he criticizes Pippen and said he shouldn't have done it, he also said, Anytime you're gonna bring up my name, the same sentence should include Scottie Pippen.
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So he's completely aware of what Pippins value was.
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But would either of you will start with Matt If you want to say that he should have voiced support of hip and being deserving of that, Um much sure.
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I mean, I think that, like, that's so tricky because he's like he's sort of giving and taking by saying, Look like you do need to mention a name.
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But also here is exactly what he did wrong. What I didn't like.
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So it's like a real backhanded way of doing that, which is like also very Jordan esque.
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In a way, it's like a lot of these guys are.
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It's like those state they'll say publicly and it's I'm talking like the real top and top end guys.
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Well, say publicly, What you know you sort of want to hear is a teammate.
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But then, like, there's those little like jabs here and there, so I don't know, it's It's kind of hard to discern where the real emotion is.
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These guys are so media trained that, you know, even back then, like it's just it's kind of hard for me to get a feel for but part linen.
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Jordan said what he said about Pippen recently.
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He wasn't saying that in the nineties.
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He wasn't He wasn't saying Wait, let's not shoot space jam without Scottie.
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He wasn't saying that he wasn't.
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You know I can't do another Gatorade commercial unless we put Pippen and he's saying that now because we've had decades.
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But conversations about who is the goat now? He comes out and says, I didn't win without Scott.
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He's the greatest team eight hour ever played with.
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He wasn't worried about that when he was collecting 36 Mill when he was M. J.
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He was also M J.
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Before pimping got drafted.
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We had a lot of M J moments and swag and flair and just start him out there by himself from 84 87 before tipping was the guy.
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So it's just different, you know? And that's why I don't like I said, I don't like dream on trying to, like, harking back to like their team and how their business was going on. It's not the same.
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It's not the same Jordan.
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Maybe he did.
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Maybe behind the scenes, Jordan did say, Hey, hold on, you know, like we should be taking care of Scotty.
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I know there were some offers on the table, right Cross spoke to, he said.
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There were some offers that they liked.
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What stop those offers? Jordan saying, No, you're not breaking up 19.
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So I would I would say that maybe back then when Jordan was collected 36 Bill and Pittman was collected.
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Two mil.
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Maybe Jordan did say something privately.
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We'll never know that.
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We'll never know.
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That's true to the other big element.
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I think when you look at this stuff is you talk about Golden State warriors, you know, Clay and Dream on.
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And Steph, they've all been taken care of by my Golden State, and you talk about the hired gun of kg.
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Or however people wanna look at that from the outside.
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Does that bring hollow? Then, when Dream was talking about that stuff? Because guess what? Like you've never had to be in that situation, right? You've never had to sign the the $18 million.
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7 year contract and you can look at it and be supportive of Pippen.
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But you're also you're also cleaning up right.
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The MBA is a lot different now in terms of contracts and everybody you think care.
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Do you think that he's also probably benefited from the support of Clay? Or especially probably Steph Curry and saying, I want these three, these two guys with me here in Golden State.
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Maybe Katie comes and goes, but these guys, they did.
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You keep getting paid, we can think about it comparatively to Brooklyn.
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Now we're bringing in Cairo and Cady.
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It seemed to come with the caveat of we want DeAndre Jordan year, and we want him to get a contract that feels respectful of his career has been.
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And because we want it all, team, maybe between imprints, gets during that category as well.
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They're in.
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Terrible.
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So maybe that looked at that feeds.
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And our party does betray Monceau.
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It's hard to dig in any kind of wiggle room.
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Yeah, Dream on. Tricky character.
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Um, I thought I mean, I'm just gonna touch on, like, the stuff that he said the day about, Uh, just Katie and all of that.
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Um, I actually so, Keith, I don't know if you're gonna agree with this whole heartedly.
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I didn't mind his statements.
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I think as much as other people and like, that's kind of honestly, like, I really want to, like, get into this little bit because I want to get into a live debate setting with somebody who's gonna be on the other side of this.
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I am mind what he said about Katie that much.
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I could see what I was like, frustrating.
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And I think that everything that happened and everything that Draymond said live and juxtaposing his situation last year with Warriors with Katie to the way that last dance played out, it just seems like everybody had a different perception of how last year should have gone.
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You know, you have Katie with his his, uh, his.
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You know, his homegrown guys are Susie Draymond with his homegrown guys, the core that he's been with since, Really, they've all been drafted, and they bring in this hired gun in a sense.
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And as it turns out, the guy's had been there for a long time.
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They want to keep it in house and have open communication.
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And hired gun handled things on his own because he's a hired gun.
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So it just seemed like different personality clashes to me.
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My thing my thing with it is, he said, attached to that, he said Clay was getting, you know, interviewed and saying, I want to be a warrior.
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I want I want I want to finish my career here.
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I was getting an interview and said, I want to be a warrior for life.
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Kevin didn't say that.
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Well, like you mentioned, like homegrown versus a hired gun.
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We see that in every single sport.
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Right When you're ah whole grown guy, you have the fans a different way.
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You have the media a different way.
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You have the front office a different way.
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As far as like their attachment to you.
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You knew K D was not like that.
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Katie is Katie.
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Katie is otherworldly.
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Katie is one of the best basketball players we've ever seen.
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Dribble a pill like you knew that he wasn't going toe end up with you homegrown guys and say, I want to be a warrior for life because it wouldn't have been received the same.
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Like coming from you guys that were drafted there.
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That changed the culture there, that 11 of finals without him and then one a couple more with him, like it is different.
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So, like, that's what I'm saying.
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He can't flip it now with Jordan and Piven.
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They were homegrown drafted guys.
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They were a tandem.
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They played together.
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And for that tandem to be that successful and for Jordan's playing to be up here and from Pip.
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It's going to be down here like that is wrong.
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That isn't right at all.
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And I just don't understand why Draymond Draymond Green has so much of an opinion on this, Um especially as it compares to his own situation, his own team.
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I just I feel you can't compare the two and oddly enough, to something to the idea that Draymond You can say this after the fact that you want Katie to come out and say that he wants to be here and he wants to retire a warrior in choosing to retire warrior.
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But it costs you.
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Being able to retire is a warrior Draymond Green Lake.
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And if somebody's going out the door, it's probably gonna be you first dream on before its claim before it's Steph.
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So there is also something to that to that when you make that kind of statement, it rings hollow because him can wrestle for a lot of reasons because you're the guy that had the problems with him because you're the guy that didn't want in there.
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You're the guy that didn't appreciate that Katie's presence diminish your role and your value to this team.
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It made it very apparent that hey, if we needed to shift gears here in Golden State and we wanted to keep Katie, it's going to be dream on the outside looking in first.
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So when you come back and say, Well, I wanted to say you want to be committed here where you're gonna cough up some money for him because then you almost end up in that you can put him in that kind of Michael Jordan roll, right? Let's make it all be even here.
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We want to make sure that we get the money across the board to keep Katie dreamin.
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We're gonna need you to drop your salary down a little bit.
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We're gonna need Steph Curry and maybe Clay Thompson.
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Let's all agree to bring these salaries dance and make a pot of money for arguably one of the two best players in the n B.
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A right now.
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So I also think that that's where that maybe ah, I feel like he's going direction.
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A little bit of punk move from dream on toe.
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Always be having that.
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Let me say it on the back end when it doesn't really matter anymore. It doesn't matter.
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Anybody talk right now, It's late.
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It's so many months late.
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We could came up with a better story or a better response months ago.
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Like how we didn't hear this in in June last year when Katie signed with the Nets.
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Like, How come we didn't hear this in July when everyone was weighing in on why he chose the next over the Knicks? It just it fixes his narrative now.
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It's just that Oh, everyone is watching this.
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Everyone is sitting at home now.
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I have a captive audience to go live and use this do***entary and say, Oh, we had a similar situation.
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You know how they came out and said This was the last dance? Well, Katie should it came out and said it was his last dance with us. No, dude, it doesn't.
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You can't fit a a circle peg in a square hole.
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It just doesn't work like I get where you know and it's got us talking about it.
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It's got articles written about.
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It has got people on Twitter talking about it.
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I get where he was trying to go, but like I see right through that.
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This is Trey.
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Ma. This is dreamin. Use a village.
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Nobody really likes him.
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Uh, unless you're dubs fan and I I know I don't have to say is anyone that has been watching this green screen stream could tell I don't like dream on, Came to get the word It just frustrates me that, like like he's the same dude over and over.
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I guess it's part of his brand.
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It's like, Dude, just say less and do less.
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Katie is gone.
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Why, you've been still talking about Katie.
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I really didn't get I don't know why this didn't rub me the wrong way.
00:17:38
I've heard everything.
00:17:39
I heard every I really, truly I don't know.
00:17:42
It just felt like he answered a question about, you know, just about there.
00:17:46
They're Dynamic has takeaways to the to the you know, the do***entary.
00:17:51
And he just said, Yeah, I like that.
00:17:52
Honestly, from his perspective, it would suck to get asked over and over about his free agency, the team's free agency, after they've works as a group.
00:18:01
The whole Simon really never dealt with any media drama up to that point.
00:18:07
I mean, they're just really wasn't any.
00:18:08
Obviously, a lot of it is his fault because he quite literally, you know, called Katie.
00:18:13
You know, the B word events.
00:18:16
You know what I mean? Like, it is his fault.
00:18:18
But I do see it a little bit.
00:18:20
I'm like, All right, You know what, like that would be frustrating.
00:18:23
It's not fair of you to expect Katie to be like, Hey, I'm showing up in training camp.
00:18:28
By the way, I'm leaving.
00:18:29
When Katie probably didn't even know half the season if they'd won a championship, there's a good chance Katie would have done another one and one orgy, even just a one year deal.
00:18:37
But I can see how that's frustrating, right? So that's why I'm saying, like, at the end of this, for all of this, I think it has been a lot of discussions on when there is not a lot to discuss.
00:18:47
Um, I can see both sides.
00:18:50
I can see how it's frustrating for Draymond.
00:18:52
I don't I'm not a Draymond guy either, so it feels weird to, like, ever pick his side in anything, and I think it's very easy to ride the bias of not liking somebody in it.
00:19:01
you know, seeming like it's in this guy's character personally, how I took it, and this could be totally wrong.
00:19:06
Maybe I missed something from that interview, but it was just.
00:19:09
He was talking about the vibe of last year as it pertained to him having to deal with media questioning and Katie having a different philosophy on how he wanted to handle his business.
00:19:21
And he handled it the right way.
00:19:22
It seems so.
00:19:24
I think the last thing I'll say about a deuce is this, Um there's dreamin and how he handled it.
00:19:30
And then there's also step and how he handled it, right.
00:19:32
And Steph.
00:19:33
His relationship with Katie is great, right? It was Drummond's ego that started all of this.
00:19:39
It was Draymond making a mistake in the game that the world saw that started the split, and Katie was on all the smoke podcast with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson, and he talked about it.
00:19:51
He said, like Yo, Dream are Nobody was expecting that, like Draymond kinda acted out in that game.
00:19:57
You're supposed to give up the ball or something, and he didn't give up the ball.
00:20:00
He kind of made a selfish play, and then that blew up, and he wasn't sure what Dreamin was going through.
00:20:06
It wasn't like they had any issues before.
00:20:08
I think Dreamin was harboring these feelings, so he kind of brought it on himself with the media questions.
00:20:13
And when you look at a guy like Steph and anywhere stuff was on the same podcast like anywhere, they've asked stuff about it.
00:20:20
Stuff hasn't had the same things to say about it because he wasn't part of the problem.
00:20:23
He has a great relationship with Katie and still does and has only good things to say about Katie.
00:20:28
Draven is still eight months later, trying Thio put lipstick on a pig, make himself look better.
00:20:35
You know, he's looking for anything he can to dress up.
00:20:37
What he did so that he goes down in history is not the bad guy that created a split between one of the best teams we've ever seen.
00:20:45
And sometimes when you try to walk back a comment that you've made it, inevitably you end up making it worse for yourself, and I feel like that's a little bit maybe what's gone on with Draymond, the last little clothes out to this is listen.
00:20:56
Jordan didn't go in and announced it was his last year with the Bulls.
00:20:58
The organization made that statement to them, so to say that Katie did to come into Golden State and announced that he was gonna leave.
00:21:04
That's not what it was.
00:21:05
It would have been like saying if the ownership came from Golden State and said, We're not gonna bring back a D next year.
00:21:10
This is the last run for this team And finally, don't forget this is a guy that was injured and made the effort to get back out on the court with that seem to help him win a championship means of going down and ultimately costing the Brooklyn.
00:21:20
That's an opportunity to see him on the court, but I know they got the guy's pot commit, You know, he was pot committed to do that.
00:21:26
And I think there's some interesting thing Tie it into the last dance of just to say that Ah, Draymond green and a lot of ways feels a little bit like the Dennis Rodman of that team, right? We're I think we're gonna hear a lot about Jordan and saying how there's an order that quote out there of him trying to have to treat Rodman like it ain't like his eight year old son just a rain of Men and control them.
00:21:47
And Steph Curry and probably Clay Thompson have to do a lot of that with a guy like dream on with that personality.
00:21:52
And unfortunately, when he gets off the leash a little bit, all the sudden butts heads with another superstar and the thing just in close, that's a very valuable point that you made about all of that was actually perfect.
00:22:06
Close out.
00:22:07
There's nothing better than just receiving accolades.
00:22:10
Yeah, myself at the door, your fax ethics.
00:22:16
Thank you. Thank you for teeth.
00:22:18
McPherson for Matt Brooks.
00:22:19
Adam Arm Rex here Obviously continuing to do these clutch points crossover content.
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We'll be back in early and often talking.
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All things end a action.
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