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00:08:01
the following takes place between 8 a.m.
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and 9 a.m.
00:08:35
Good morning, everybody.
00:08:36
And welcome to FB FFI Radio live.
00:08:38
We're back after a brief, brief short weekend there an extra three day weekend.
00:08:43
We took the holiday yesterday off and no stoners.
00:08:46
We're not talking about 4 20 up in Northeast.
00:08:50
There's actually ah, holiday yesterday Ah, normally reserved for marathon Monday.
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But again, Happy holiday told those out there in the Northeast.
00:08:58
And look, I'm not meant to put stoners off.
00:09:00
I'm just saying it's not what you're thinking about right now.
00:09:03
So without further Dio, I got to bring in my man he is Ah, Mr Rhode Island himself again, we were working on progress pictures of the statute.
00:09:12
But I assure you folks that it is being built up at Providence College.
00:09:16
That's right.
00:09:17
It is the statue of Mr Mike Debate Mike, how we doing today? Uh, doing well, buddy, I'm doing pretty well.
00:09:27
It's ah, it's Tuesday.
00:09:29
It is? Yes, it is. For 21.
00:09:31
It is after 4 20 folks PSE and is right and I know no stoner stuff going on over here.
00:09:36
But now we are only two days away less than 48 business hours, my friend from the start of the 2020 NFL draft and it's it's gonna be interesting.
00:09:49
The they said that there were some glitches yesterday, but everything went off without a hitch.
00:09:54
I don't know if I'm necessarily buying that.
00:09:56
I think maybe we'll talk about that a little bit today.
00:09:58
But plenty of plenty of new threats going around England Patriots unveiled their new uniforms yesterday.
00:10:04
My beloved Los Angeles Chargers are developing.
00:10:07
There's today there, the reeling, their new you know, forms.
00:10:09
Wait a minute.
00:10:10
I thought they already did come out with their logos.
00:10:12
Wasn't at the l A.
00:10:13
With the gold on the blue, Right? Right.
00:10:15
Oh, no, no, no.
00:10:16
That was That was that was the Rams yet? Okay, Maybe it was the healthy with, you know? Yeah, they both, uh, you know, they both play in the same area, you know, one place, the fans, the others don't.
00:10:29
So it's it's really it's it's interesting to see what goes on.
00:10:32
We clamored for football back in l. A.
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And it's pretty much living up to everything.
00:10:37
We hope that wouldn't So on that note, there are some reds to come up todo funny joke.
00:10:44
But in any case, um, you know, we look forward to some of that, but all eyes and ears and all your senses are ah, focused right on the NFL draft for this week.
00:10:55
If you're in NFL fan and, uh, we'll see what happens there.
00:10:59
Yeah.
00:11:00
No.
00:11:01
And look, I mean, we've already heard Ah, issues when it comes to band with and and just glitches when they ran their mock draft.
00:11:09
I believe it was yesterday.
00:11:10
May you know, the all these days are kind of just blurring together now and again.
00:11:14
Stoners, That is not because of the holiday yesterday.
00:11:16
This is just the just to cause and effect of this whole quarantine here that all these days they're just kind of blending together.
00:11:22
But no, uh, yesterday I believe it is.
00:11:26
When they did their mock draft and there were issues, there were connection issues.
00:11:29
They were, you know, Mike's being on and getting like, massive echo.
00:11:34
I mean, all the issues that I've dealt with personally trying to run these shows and put the shows together over the last several months or so.
00:11:42
So I understand I understand what they're going through.
00:11:45
What I also understand is that is a recipe for disaster.
00:11:49
Um, in terms of it, just it.
00:11:54
I don't know.
00:11:55
I something tells me something's gonna go wrong.
00:11:57
I don't think it's gonna completely ruin the draft.
00:12:00
I just think that there's going to be certain things that are going to be talked about for years and years and years.
00:12:06
And and And I said privately in a chat that you, ah, myself and all of our ah colleagues at F p c R in that I wonder how many conspiracy theories air gonna be born this weekend in terms of Oh, you know, Team A should have done this.
00:12:25
What could they have done if they drafted Player X and so on and so forth? But since this happened, they weren't able to do it.
00:12:33
Or if there's a glitch like God forbid, if there's a glitch around the time the Patriots pick, I mean, we've already seen nonsense and stupid like, you know, uh, overuse jokes all the time.
00:12:44
Now, when it's like, Oh, the people are hacking into zoom because obviously the Patriots have done that before and assume anything that you know, goes wrong.
00:12:52
Is the Patriots well? Ah, you know, we're going to see stuff like that.
00:12:55
And again, this is all because people are absolutely crazy and out of their minds.
00:13:00
And ah, you know, okay, at this point, I'm kind of here for I'm here for the creativity.
00:13:04
I want to see what people blame.
00:13:06
Ah, this draft for whether it was just not being able to get the player they wanted or or some sort of perceived.
00:13:14
Ah ah, action by another team to prevent you for I don't know.
00:13:19
I I'm actually here for that.
00:13:21
I think it's going to be, Ah, an interesting collection of conspiracy theories coming out of this weekend.
00:13:28
Absolutely, without question.
00:13:30
There will be a lot of interesting conspiracy theories.
00:13:32
And what I'm really waiting for is how long it takes John Harbaugh to stop blaming Bill Belichick for all of the pics or all of the problems that the Ravens have.
00:13:39
That's usually the way that things go.
00:13:42
Usually the pattern that follows.
00:13:44
But Nikai, kid, folks, in all actuality, this it might end up going off without a hitch.
00:13:51
I just I I can't see anything coming from this That doesn't involve some sort of a conspiracy theory.
00:13:58
Like you said, I believe that it actually will.
00:14:01
I think that there will be some moments where, UM you know teams have difficulty If if there's a time out issue.
00:14:09
I mean, there's a lot of possible things that could go wrong here and I think the NFL is moving forward.
00:14:15
I mean, obviously at this point we know that they're going to move forward.
00:14:18
I would very, very be.
00:14:19
I would be really shocked if we heard within the next 24 to 48 hours that they were a little bit squeamish, had decided to back off or postpone.
00:14:29
Uh, that seemed a real possibility for a little while yesterday.
00:14:32
But when they came out and said that everything else went smooth, then it looked like it was going to follow suit and that they were going to move forward.
00:14:39
So again I have my doubts, but we live in hope and hopefully things will go off without a hitch.
00:14:46
Everything will be OK and the teams will be able to complete their draft.
00:14:50
But I have a feeling that, like you said, the stories about this NFL draft will start after the draft has been completed and after the conspiracy theory machine has a chance to kick in, so we'll see what happens.
00:15:02
Hopefully, it's much ado about nothing, but, you know, again, like I said, I have my doubts. Yeah.
00:15:07
I mean, yeah, it I'm not saying something will happen.
00:15:11
I'm just saying, Look, I'm kind of here for just, you know, continue to add that strange flavor.
00:15:16
Strange twist this whole year that's been going on, I think obviously, you know, more things we can point back to be like, Oh, yeah.
00:15:22
I remember that draft in 2020 when when Dave Gettleman couldn't figure out how to log into his computer, and he missed out on, you know, stuff like that.
00:15:30
And I I'm here for, you know, like, just just out of pure entertainment at this point because, you know, how many times can you what I mean? Well, I can watch shows over and over and over again, but you know, how many times can you sit here, watch same sports games over the same TV shows and movies over and over again? You get you kind of get sick of it.
00:15:47
So give me anything at this point.
00:15:49
I mean, the draft is gonna be great, as is, give a little extra added drama and make it even better.
00:15:54
Well, combined everything into ah, movie sports and and all that fun stuff because guess what? After the NFL draft, it's gonna be very quiet on the on the sporting front aside from the ah, the continued play of the last dance.
00:16:09
Ah, the ESPN do***entary on Michael Jordan, which I happen to catch the first to have.
00:16:13
So So I enjoyed quite a lot.
00:16:16
Um, I'm obviously I'm in my 30.
00:16:19
So I'm someone who, uh, doesn't fully remember the first threepeat that they had but was very aware of the second.
00:16:27
And the later years of Michael Jordan just goes, you know, every kid my age who ever enjoyed basketball, Especially if you're a Celtics fan, because again, do you know, when I was growing up as a kid, the Celtics were not good.
00:16:40
This was This was I was born in 86.
00:16:43
So the whole, um, mystique and the and the excitement of the Larry Bird era that had been, you know, had been kind of gone when I started really being able to pay attention to remember things in sports, especially stuff like basketball.
00:16:56
So, um so again, kids my age, your age, basically 33 toe, 42 years old.
00:17:06
I mean, that age group, your your your your Michael Jordan guy and ah, you know, for the most part.
00:17:12
And And this was a nice, um, a nice package that they put together because, you know, say what you want about ESPN and you express this before we got on the air, but some of the best things that they do, actually, in my opinion, one of the the very best things that they do ah is put together these do***entaries and so far, two episodes, and it does not seem like it's going to disappoint.
00:17:34
Yeah, this was extremely I've been following this again.
00:17:37
Like you said, Anyone that grew up in our generation.
00:17:40
I have a couple of years on you, my friend.
00:17:41
So if it's just the couple, But I am in that in that age range that you mentioned and when you talk about the impact that Jordan had, I do remember I was It was young during his days of the 1st 3 peat, but I remember that very well.
00:17:57
I remember being a kid playing pickup basketball for my junior high school and wanting to be Michael Jordan and then just, you know, finding that that inner ability to be able to ah, you know, toe to try Teoh mimic what you saw him do on the court.
00:18:14
And no matter how hard you tried, you never even got close.
00:18:18
Um, he was larger than life.
00:18:20
He was larger than life. Back in the day.
00:18:22
He was the soul, most recognizable and probably the so almost universally praised athlete in history.
00:18:32
At the time.
00:18:33
Those old Bulls teams were just they were amazing between B.
00:18:37
J.
00:18:38
Armstrong and Craig Hodges and Bill Cartwright and Virus Grant, all of the supporting cast that they had.
00:18:43
Yes, Scottie Pippen get a lot of the credit as well.
00:18:46
But it was Jordan.
00:18:47
It was him.
00:18:48
It was that indelible red jersey with the number 23 that just everybody wanted to be like.
00:18:55
And to see that come out now and to see people be able to understand, especially the younger generation that has grown up watching guys like the late Kobe Bryant and naturally now with LeBron James, phenomenal players, absolutely phenomenal players.
00:19:10
But in my opinion, there's only one that deserves the title of goat.
00:19:14
Very similar to what we see in professional football only, you know, there's one that deserves that title, and everyone else is kind of nipping at the heels of it, but they're never gonna quite be able to grasp it.
00:19:24
And in this case, I think this only cement Jordan's greatness, even Mawr.
00:19:28
I think it's an honest approach.
00:19:30
I think it's a very insightful approach.
00:19:34
Jerry Krause is not looking very good.
00:19:36
They're all missing all you know.
00:19:38
I mean, there is There's really ah ah lot that, uh, that's that's there.
00:19:43
And look, these smatterings were there all over the place.
00:19:45
I don't think this is any new information from people that have followed the Bulls for a number of years or 24 seven news cycle and social media.
00:19:53
So, you know, if this was happening now, I mean it would be, I think, that headline news today I'm so glad that you said that if you can take this situation and implant it into the social media era, the immediacy of news era that we live in right now.
00:20:11
Can you imagine? What would you know? What would be going? I really would receive the Patriots quote unquote dysfunction as this level, and it's It's It's It's not, I mean, assuming we there's a bunch of stuff we just don't know and has never have never heard about.
00:20:28
This is what people perceive the Patriots dysfunction as, and it's not even close.
00:20:32
I mean, the function that was going on behind the scenes between the you know, we talk about craft Bella check and Brady all the time.
00:20:39
But between Jordan Krause and the owner, um, you are like, you know, just management, general, um, you know, same same thing.
00:20:49
Like there was just divide.
00:20:51
Ah, apparently between the three.
00:20:53
You know, Phil Jackson, Jordan crowds, those guys.
00:20:56
And, ah, it was beyond repair.
00:20:59
I think much different in terms of Belgium craft, Brady.
00:21:03
But, you know, I think that's the perception people have now again, imagine if the Bulls situation happened with the state.
00:21:10
You know the same.
00:21:11
Everything was the same.
00:21:12
Except for the time frame.
00:21:13
It was happening now and I'm not 25 years ago.
00:21:15
Um That's where I think all of a sudden, you look at that, I can't imagine what Twitter reaction would be.
00:21:22
I mean, especially if again, you're you're that the reverse was happening.
00:21:25
You were still somehow trying to compare LeBron t Michael Jordan.
00:21:28
So before I, before I forget and this is someone posted this on Twitter, and I never remember who who, you know, do these tweets.
00:21:37
I'd love to give him credit, but I really don't.
00:21:40
But it kind of went viral.
00:21:42
So I'm sure people have seen it, but they said the biggest the you know, the way Jordan influenced.
00:21:49
Um, you know, it's a perfect example of Jordan's influence beyond just basketball and just his influence on the sport itself.
00:21:57
But there was a scene where Patrick Ewing was was being interviewed and talked about.
00:22:01
He was wearing his his Georgetown.
00:22:04
Ah, like polo.
00:22:05
And, you know, we all know obviously Jordan, North Carolina, they beat Georgetown in expression here.
00:22:09
All that stuff.
00:22:10
They highlighted that in the first episode.
00:22:12
Well, um, someone noticed on the other side of the shirt was the jump man logo.
00:22:17
Now, how incredible is that that you know you, Patrick Ewing, a MBA Hall of Fame player.
00:22:25
You know, 30 some odd years later, sitting there talking about one of the most iconic national championship games where you know, a young freshman, Michael Jordan Beach.
00:22:34
You Ah ah, and you're in Georgetown in the national championship game and you're just sitting there, you know, just talking about it reminiscing.
00:22:43
And this whole time I mean, you have your school's logo branch Ah, shirt made by the company that Michael Jordan made faintly like the logo.
00:22:54
Everything like that.
00:22:55
I find that fascinating, and I love that Someone pointed that out.
00:22:59
I thought that was great.
00:23:01
Yeah, I know.
00:23:02
And it is a testament to the respect and the respect level that these guys had for each other and the competition level that they had for each other.
00:23:10
But I'm glad that you mentioned that, because that is mildly amusing when you think about it and you think about the correlation there.
00:23:18
Ah, between the two and the history, these two have going back to some of the like, you said the battles between the Knicks and the Bulls and and all the way back to Georgetown in North Carolina.
00:23:27
These rivalry.
00:23:28
Stay with you.
00:23:29
And, you know, at the end of the day, you tip your cat to, ah, the to the master.
00:23:34
And I think, you know, maybe that was Ewing's way of doing that, So yeah. Interesting.
00:23:38
In kind of amusing, in my opinion.
00:23:40
Well, in in look, I mean, we have, ah, colleague of ours, Mr John Sapic Chatty.
00:23:45
He just he he's a he's a LeBron guy.
00:23:48
And we talked about it a lot off there.
00:23:51
And, you know, I tell him all the time.
00:23:52
It's like, I disagree with them, but at the same time, I mean, that's, you know, this is kind of what you expect.
00:23:58
Um, you know, to come out of this and and look, I'm, you know, go back to my I get reminded very often through my Facebook memories and these air Great now, But I mean, except for when you get ones where it's like, Oh, this is your Facebook memory from 12 years ago.
00:24:14
Oh, my God.
00:24:15
I've been on Facebook for 12 years that I'm like, Wait a minute.
00:24:17
No, it's actually been longer than that.
00:24:19
OK, things time flies by quite quickly.
00:24:22
I I I at one point was always like that.
00:24:26
Mention like, Oh, I was one of the one of the first, you know, back, back when it was the Facebook.
00:24:30
Now I'm just like, Oh, jeez, I can't believe I've had my Facebook account for I think gonna be 16 years this November.
00:24:37
So it's it's pretty, it's pretty wild.
00:24:40
But anyways, I'm getting off track here.
00:24:44
I'm actually don't even know what I was I was talking about Oh, yeah.
00:24:46
Anyway, so we disagree, John and I and you know, a lot of people do because again, this is somehow always LeBron always squeezes his face into this whole conversation, and, you know, it's not always is doing, but he does have a knack for for for the self praising, ah, social media post and the, you know, attention grabbing like making it about him.
00:25:09
And again, this is just driving me absolutely nuts because it's not about LeBron James and and again, I there's jokes being made like Oh, he's already producing his own 10 part series that I wouldn't be shocked.
00:25:19
I mean, that's kind of who he is.
00:25:21
He sees a very he doesn't shy away from, you know, appreciating himself for sure.
00:25:26
And that's one of the things that I personally don't like about him.
00:25:29
But again, I mean, we're we're not going to get into this debate about who's better, who's not? Um, I'm just going to say that like, Look, you know this, this whole idea, this whole reputation that that Jordan has gotten from the younger crowd about being just this guy who benefited for playing.
00:25:45
I mean, I've seen people criticize.
00:25:47
Oh, look, look at Ah, look at who they're playing in 1986 like, Well, you're talking about one of the greatest teams ever in the history of the MBA in the in that 1986 Celtics team, and they highlighted his first, you know, games one and two against the Celtics, where he went 63 49 back to back games.
00:26:05
And it's just like what he was doing, what he was able to do against those guys against the league and just how he dominated every aspect of the game.
00:26:16
That's what that's what makes him the greatest.
00:26:17
And this is something that he did his entire career.
00:26:20
And I'm sorry, LeBron fans, I just don't agree that he's close and this this constant need to push him into the conversation is it's not seating.
00:26:29
We see it on the football side a lot, too.
00:26:30
I mean, it just it is what it is, but yeah, I e.
00:26:35
I had a feeling people are going to make this about LeBron and they kind of did, Or at least a good segment of people did.
00:26:40
Well, you knew that they were going to.
00:26:42
First of all, it's the generational factor, too.
00:26:44
I mean, every generation wants to believe that they're living through the greatest time, the greatest athletes, the greatest, you know, content, whatever you want to plug in their next two. Greatest.
00:26:55
They want to believe that they're living it, and they're going to defend it for, you know, for everything that they have to discount.
00:27:01
What LeBron James has been able to do in his career or just pass it off is ludicrous.
00:27:06
I mean, there's no question about it.
00:27:07
He has been the most dominant basketball player of this generation, and I don't think anybody is is arguing that point.
00:27:14
But when it comes to the argument between he and Jordan, I'm in your camp.
00:27:18
I'm definitely team Michael Jordan because I've seen this guy.
00:27:21
I remember the dominance.
00:27:24
I remember the fear that players had in having to play him, and I I was one of them may be one of the few in the Northeast that had the pleasure of seeing him live twice, once in a Bulls uniform and once in a Wizards uniform.
00:27:39
Believe it or not, I actually have seen him.
00:27:41
I saw him play at the Garden or it was the Fleet Center at the time, and I saw him play.
00:27:47
Uh, I saw the uh, 70 win team play.
00:27:51
I saw that team play.
00:27:52
I saw Pippen, Rodman, Longley that that team that was just an absolute machine.
00:27:57
And for 3/4 the Celtics were beating them, and everybody in the arena was really starting to wonder.
00:28:03
First of all, there were more Jordan and Bulls fans in the arena that night than there were Celtics fans.
00:28:08
Which anybody that's been in a Celtics game lately since the resurgence of this team would Scott, that you tell if you tell, you know, some of the generation now some of the fans that you see that the Celtics stands that you see out there on Twitter.
00:28:23
Ah, that a team could come into your home base and out.
00:28:28
Fan you.
00:28:29
They wouldn't believe it.
00:28:30
They would say that happens in other cities.
00:28:31
That doesn't happen in Boston.
00:28:33
We love the Celtics.
00:28:34
Well, let me tell you folks, in the nineties, when the Celtics were really hitting the skids, that was happening.
00:28:39
And that building was probably 2 to 1 Bulls fans to Celtics fans that night.
00:28:44
It changed.
00:28:45
The tide changed in at right after the half when the Celtics really were putting the pressure on the Bulls and they were actually up.
00:28:52
I believe either nine or 10 points at one point, and that was unusual for that Bulls team.
00:28:56
They didn't fall down nine or 10 points.
00:28:59
They either kept it close or they were blowing you out.
00:29:02
And in the fourth quarter, it's like Jordan hit a switch.
00:29:05
It's almost like he looked at Scottie Pippen and said, All right, we done screwing around now.
00:29:09
Now we gotta get serious and the Bulls ended up winning that game.
00:29:12
But I think about 20 that gives you the once they turned it on.
00:29:16
Once they were able to do what they needed to do.
00:29:19
There was no stopping that team, and I saw that in person that night.
00:29:24
I also got a chance to see Jordan at the tail end of his career when he was with the Wizards and he wasn't the same Michael Jordan.
00:29:30
He had lost a step, but he was still a fearful player and you could still see the players shying away from guarding him.
00:29:37
And I remember pointing this out to a couple of my friends that we were with.
00:29:40
We were watching the game and I said, Look, they don't want to get in his face.
00:29:44
They don't want to go up and defend him They're worried about being posterized and sure enough, you know, Jordan was still capable of having a couple of those moments, and he did have a couple of those moments where he drive to the basket, make it make a shot and you'd be like, Wow, you know what? He's getting older, but he's still Michael Jordan.
00:30:00
Until LeBron gets to that level, I agree with you.
00:30:04
I think it's tough to put him at the top of that conversation.
00:30:07
Is he in the conversation.
00:30:08
Yeah, I think he deserves to be in the conversation.
00:30:10
But, um, and again, I think that's one of the reasons why you know John Posts is Ah, you know the stories and what not.
00:30:16
He makes a convincing argument. I've read his stuff.
00:30:19
I think it's it's well thought out.
00:30:21
It's It's very It's not Stanish folks.
00:30:24
It's very, uh, he makes a very good and very solid argument, but from someone that had the opportunity to see Jordan playing his prime and then see Jordan play at the tail end of his career and still have that same effect to me.
00:30:38
That's why I put him at the top of the list of greatest athletes that I may be that I've ever seen play.
00:30:44
I mean, I put him up there in the same echelon as Tom Brady in terms of the dominance that these athletes had and the way they were able to control the game, not just with their talent on the field, but cerebral e.
00:30:57
Um, I don't think we'll ever see athletes like this again.
00:31:00
This was just another breed.
00:31:02
Um, and, uh, you know what? He comes around once in every generation this generation happens to be football.
00:31:08
Last generation happened to be basketball.
00:31:10
That's just my opinion.
00:31:12
And I'm glad you did bring a Brady.
00:31:14
Because again, I have.
00:31:15
You know, I enjoy every opportunity that I get to talk about.
00:31:18
Com Brady.
00:31:19
Even the fact that he was asked our he was asked to leave a public park here in Tampa Bay recently.
00:31:24
That was the story of you was out there that would training up.
00:31:27
No, no, no.
00:31:28
I just saying, like, people down there, maybe they're just not used to seeing him yet.
00:31:31
They weren't quite sure.
00:31:32
But that will get around to it anyways.
00:31:34
Uh, no, they watching it to you sit there.
00:31:37
And obviously I was drawing the in my opinion, That's just the I don't want to say comparisons, because I've already highlighted the fact that the two situations in terms of how this triumvirate split, you know, the patriots versus the Bulls are so very different.
00:31:54
But again, the the casual follower out there is gonna equate.
00:31:59
The two is being very similar.
00:32:01
So naturally you're going to draw those comparisons and think about that situation and just kind of, you know, there are a lot of other similarities in terms of championship total, the, you know, reverence of the coach and so on and so forth.
00:32:15
But listening and watching Jordan, especially in his younger years and just how he carried himself from, You know, a lot of this stuff.
00:32:27
I already already I already knew maybe not to as much detail, but, like, you know, you know the stories about how he didn't make his high school team this, that and the other.
00:32:35
And it sounds so familiar to Tom Brady.
00:32:39
And there's a lot of comparisons in terms of, um, trying to figure out how these two athletes were able to transcend their sport and transcend, You know, other great players.
00:32:50
Um, I mean, we're not talking about, ah, guy that was just head and shoulders above everyone else.
00:32:56
I mean, there were contemporaries.
00:32:57
There were players out there that would give, you know, each each of them run for their money.
00:33:02
But at the end of the day, they would consistently be better than them.
00:33:05
And we're talking about Hall of Fame players.
00:33:07
You know that the best of the best players in both respective leagues, But there's this there was this one trait that they very evidently share.
00:33:16
And that's their competitiveness.
00:33:18
It's their drive to be better.
00:33:19
And there Dr Toe work, we know how Tom iss We know what he does and and how dedicated he is to improving his task.
00:33:27
I mean, people overlook it now, but, I mean, we talk about him trying to improve little do wants is off his game at his age.
00:33:34
I mean, how often do you get that? You don't? Um you know, at that point, you're pretty much either retired in the case of about 95% of the history of the league.
00:33:44
Or, you know, you're an older quarterback who's like, Look, I'm going to do it my way.
00:33:48
I'm not looking toe, you know, change.
00:33:50
At this age, I got a couple of years left yada, yada, yada.
00:33:53
But both players, um, jointed and Bree have possessed a this just a new saddle.
00:34:00
Anoosha fulfill desire t just be better.
00:34:05
And it constantly pushes them and pushes them.
00:34:07
And, you know, Jordan actually said something.
00:34:09
Ah, very similar to you know, Brady's the next one quote.
00:34:14
You know what? Your favorite Super Bowl the next one and he said, I'm kind of just don't it altogether.
00:34:19
But he essentially said the same thing is like, you know what your favorite titles like? Well, you know, we get to go for six now, you know, or something like that.
00:34:25
So there's a very similar Ah, you know, Ah, similar mindset between the tool run and you know, everyone can have that mindset.
00:34:36
But not everyone can deliver and ah, you know, again going back to comparing Jordan and and Brady, we saw them deliver not only, you know, right off the bat in their in their pro careers.
00:34:48
I mean, obviously, you know, it took Jordan a little bit longer to win a championship, but in the turn, in terms of basketball, on the fact that's a little bit more individual individualistic, you know, winning rookie of the years. You know, scoring.
00:35:01
You know, as much as he did.
00:35:02
All that stuff lends to a great start, but he also came up big in college.
00:35:07
Same thing that Brady does, even though Brady gets overlooked a little bit more because he was never the quote unquote five star recruit.
00:35:14
You know, he was just that a guy But you know the comebacks.
00:35:17
Ah, you know, the big play in big situations, All the stuff that we've seen him do throughout his entire career.
00:35:23
He was doing in college.
00:35:24
Just no one wants toe cares to accept it.
00:35:27
I mean, they just think that he came in and and Belichick made him out of spare parts and and, uh, you know, programming and all that stuff.
00:35:35
And you know that you're saying, say, majority And I mean, the guy always had a He always had that innate ability to produce in the biggest moments.
00:35:44
And, you know, that's what really separates him and Brady from the rest.
00:35:48
And in my in my opinion, him in LeBron James.
00:35:51
And this debate that I think is over.
00:35:54
Um, you know, I I just don't I just don't see the same ah killer instinct for lack of a better phrase when it comes to LeBron um, and I think that's we've seen that time and time again, and I and I think this Siri's is highlighting the differences and it's pretty, in my opinion, pretty obvious.
00:36:15
But, you know, there's a lot of people who disagree with me.
00:36:18
I do agree with you and I don't see the same killer instinct.
00:36:22
And look, I think a lot of people probably look at that and go, You know, you're just a you're eight and you're taking on the new do Well, no, I'm not hating on the new General.
00:36:29
Yes, I grew up idolizing Michael Jordan.
00:36:31
I think every kid our age did, um and again, there's probably a little bit of rose colored glasses that I look at him through.
00:36:39
I'll be the first to admit that, but I don't see the same killer instinct in LeBron that I do see in Jordan that you have seen in Jordan.
00:36:45
I mean, this was a guy that was so competitive that players that were on his team would say that he would look for any competitive advantage he could to beat them in poker while they were waiting to board the plane.
00:36:55
He would literally do anything they could.
00:36:57
And if you beat Jordan at poker, he was miserable until the next time that you got a chance to do that.
00:37:03
That's how competitive this guy Waas he didn't want to lose a chess game to his own mother.
00:37:08
I mean, this is how competitive this guy was, just the drive that he showed every single day out on the court every single day in every aspect of his life.
00:37:17
You do see that in Tom Brady, and I'm glad that you made that parallel because I think there's something in athletes like this, that innate quality in them that just will not accept losing.
00:37:29
I'm glad that you mentioned about Brady and that he was doing this in college and that people think that he's a transplant that just came in, was dropped in, Belichick, molded him, crafted him in his image and then put him out there.
00:37:40
I had an opportunity last week for locked on Patriots to interview Isaiah Whole, who is the publisher of Wolverines Wire and Post, locked on Wolverines podcast on our network.
00:37:49
And Isaiah went to MIT University of Michigan with Tom Brady was in a couple of his classes, so he knows Tom.
00:37:57
He's seen Tom from the day that he was a college quarterback and Isaiah said it, he says.
00:38:03
I remember telling my friends this guy's got something in him that we're going to see that no one else has seen yet and people would even say that.
00:38:11
Oh, how can you say that? You know, he's one of the starters.
00:38:14
You know.
00:38:15
He's a big time quarterback over here is like, You have it, this guy's mawr than what we're seeing.
00:38:19
And Isaiah was able to pinpoint that from day one.
00:38:22
There was a quality in him that existed back in college.
00:38:25
So for everybody that thinks that Brady was a Belichick creation in the lab somewhere, he was far from that.
00:38:31
Now am I knocking you Nobel checks ability to bring out the best in Tom Brady? Absolutely not very similar to what you saw with Jordan and Jackson.
00:38:40
You didn't see Jordan hone into that complete player until he had a Phil Jackson to kind of round out and be able to harness everything he had and demand everything he had within him.
00:38:52
You saw that with Brady and Belichick, but to think that these guys were not going to be the great athletes that they were before end is something you know, that just to me is not accurate.
00:39:03
These guys have it in them.
00:39:05
Yes, it takes a great coach to be able to bring it all out of them.
00:39:08
But it has to be in you to begin with.
00:39:11
And that's what you see with great athletes such as Jordan and and Brady and just this next breed of athlete that's just head and shoulders above the rest.
00:39:19
Yeah, and look, I'm certainly just like you may be looking at it with a little, you know, Rose coach classes as well.
00:39:27
But at the same time, I do feel very strongly and in my opinion, on the matter.
00:39:30
And look, I've been fortunate enough to to ah, you know, watch both a woman and, you know, again continue to watch Brady obviously still play it at this point in his life.
00:39:41
He still got a couple of years left.
00:39:42
So, um you know, and it's an added bonus that, you know, this this generational player was actually a player on your on the team that you were a fan of.
00:39:51
So it makes it even better Teoh relish in that and enjoy that.
00:39:55
But two very similar players to very similar, um, paths in terms of just you know, how they dominated the score in their own respective.
00:40:04
You know, people ask.
00:40:05
So what's better? Six and eight or six and 20.
00:40:07
Well, you know, it's hard to compare because again, you know, multiple championships in the n b.
00:40:12
A.
00:40:13
It's not that, you know, it's it's not that Ah, you know, it happens.
00:40:19
I mean, how we've seen, you know, the Golden State and the Lakers, and you know, all these other teams.
00:40:24
I mean, I have, like, many little dynasties or what we would probably consider a dynasty in the NFL.
00:40:29
Um, which doesn't happen often we'd consider.
00:40:32
We've seen you know, what we've seen from the MBA over the last 20 to 30 years.
00:40:36
I mean, teams just do that.
00:40:38
They go on roles, you know, and you get the right combination of players and that that's just how the league works.
00:40:42
Um, so you know, to compare six and eight and six and 20.
00:40:46
Well, it's it's far too different of a sport.
00:40:49
I mean, I happen to think that the Patriots six Super Bowl titles, nine appearances and and their run is a little bit more impressive.
00:40:57
But again, I mean, you know what, are we arguing? Care.
00:41:00
It's a It's a pointless debate.
00:41:02
Ah ha.
00:41:03
When it comes to trying to say, Well, that's about it.
00:41:06
And so is your co host, by the way.
00:41:08
But hey, pointless debate. Great.
00:41:11
Yes, exactly that I dropped that in your thunder, but I had to drop at it.
00:41:18
No, no, I'm not.
00:41:19
I'm glad you did.
00:41:20
That was good. I'm all about jokes. I enjoy jokes.
00:41:22
Um, you know, and actually, one of the things before I forget to ISMM or, you know, on the whole, you know, Jordan LeBron comparison.
00:41:30
And this was only evident more so as I as I started watching this do***entary, but you look at it and Jordan dominated as a spy, smaller guy in a big man's game.
00:41:41
Whereas, you know, LeBron and this is of no fault of his own is dominating as a big man in a small man's game.
00:41:48
You know what I'm saying? Like it does that make sense, like, you know, Jordan was, you know, we talk about the Pistons and the Celtics.
00:41:55
I mean, they were highlighting the Celtics lineup in 86.
00:41:59
I mean, there were, you know, giants out there.
00:42:02
I mean, how you're supposed to dominate that, But a guy that you know is relatively underside, especially when you think about, um, the difference in size between Jordan and LeBron the branches, the big big guy who is blessed with incredible amount of athleticism and he knows how to use it.
00:42:17
So in addition to the n b A, being a want to call it softer because I think that's, ah, it's on an appropriate term.
00:42:24
But it might be the most accurate term in terms of how the game's officiated and played thes days, as opposed to what it was in the eighties and nineties and and all that when it was a lot more physical.
00:42:35
There's, you know, bigger guys out there.
00:42:37
I mean again, Jordan dominated in a game that was not meant for him to dominate, and I think that was you know what really sticks out to me and, you know, you think about his his stat line against the Celtics in those playoff games.
00:42:52
So we mentioned that was without hitting three pointers.
00:42:55
You know, this wasn't you know.
00:42:56
He threw up 23 pointers, and that's how we know this was This was not a three point shooters game, and that's that's again.
00:43:04
Another impressive thing about Jordan and what really stood out to me.
00:43:09
Yeah.
00:43:10
I mean again, I think just the drive, the competitive nature and the ability of of Jordan to be able to dominate a game before he even walked out on the court.
00:43:19
And I think it comes back again to the level of respect, the level of fear that players had when they played against him.
00:43:25
They knew that he was the most fearsome competitors that they would ever face.
00:43:29
And even, you know, teams like, you know, the Pistons and what not in the in the, uh in the early to the late eighties, early nineties that had some battles with Jordan's bulls.
00:43:40
You're seeing some of that come through.
00:43:43
I think you know that to me, that was a very interesting part of the whole Bulls dynasty.
00:43:47
The whole Jordan career was getting over that hump, being able to finally beat the Detroit Pistons, the bad boys of of of Motown and all that, and they were coming in.
00:43:58
And you're still seeing that.
00:43:59
I mean, Jordan, Hey, you want to make the argument that Jordan prematurely ended their their dominance of the East after Larry Bird and the Celtics were starting toe Wayne a little bit.
00:44:09
And it was all of a sudden the Pistons time to take over.
00:44:12
Um, Michael Jordan came in and stopped that fairly quickly.
00:44:14
And you even see guys like Bill Laimbeer now go on ESPN and make the claim that all LeBron is much, much better than Jordan never was.
00:44:21
And you know, I mean, I caution you to consider the source, folks.
00:44:25
I mean, this is probably one of the more viol basketball players that you've ever seen in your life and a guy that is still very bitter about what the Jordan dynasty was able to do to his beloved Pistons.
00:44:36
But is my hatred for that team coming up a little bit too much? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Yeah, and you know what I mean.
00:44:43
I grew up leading Celtic screen.
00:44:45
There's no question about it.
00:44:46
Yeah, there were moments where Jordan frustrated you and you were like a man.
00:44:49
You know, he's going to do it to us again.
00:44:51
There was no, you know, team.
00:44:53
There was no rivalry that Celtics fans love to hate more than the Lakers.
00:44:56
There was always a respect underlying at least for May.
00:44:59
I don't want to speak for others, but I always had an underlying respect for that team from Magic and for Cream and and worthy and and those guys and and seeing what they were able to dio, I didn't always have a whole lot of respect for the Pistons up.
00:45:12
Be honest with you.
00:45:13
Maybe it's because of the way they played the underhanded nature, the dirty tactics on a lot of ways, very much like the great Ric Flair, Dirty, dirty players in a game.
00:45:22
That's how they were.
00:45:23
That's what they did, what they had to do, they would do to beat you.
00:45:27
And, you know, I guess in a way you have to look at that and say, Well, it's just survival, the fittest.
00:45:31
But I was always Yeah, if if you're asking me which team the basketball team that I grew up hating Mawr.
00:45:39
Surprisingly, I think people would be surprised to hear me say the Detroit Pistons, as opposed to the Los Angeles Lakers.
00:45:44
Not looking into this thing that I didn't not that I didn't you know.
00:45:49
Not that I didn't hate the Lakers while we were playing them, but like I said there was always that under lying respect.
00:45:54
I just don't have that for, you know, for for the Pistons.
00:45:57
But in any case, I sorry, I don't mean to digress, but getting back to Jordan, I dio, you know, take a lot of And there's a lot in these do***entaries, things that I'm learning for the first time.
00:46:09
Things that I'm seeing when it comes to, ah, to his nature, how he conducted himself and just you know what he had to go through in some of those seasons.
00:46:18
So if folks, if you haven't been able to figure it out by now, I think he and and I definitely give it our stamp of approval check it out.
00:46:26
Especially under the cir***stances right now where we're all looking for good content to be able to view.
00:46:33
This is one of them.
00:46:34
And kudos to ESPN on a job well done on Kailash.
00:46:37
Use the piston.
00:46:38
Can't get no respect from you, Mike.
00:46:40
Is that it? That change that changed when that when that team started Teoh weigh in a little bit.
00:46:49
I don't have that same contempt for the team at all Now.
00:46:52
I think it was just the era and the players and not, you know, maybe it was Johnny most screaming, you know, on the on the radio on.
00:47:00
My dad used to listen to the Celtics games on the radio and just here in Johnny Most scream about lamb beer going.
00:47:05
Hes on Adam.
00:47:06
All I'm always should be in a cage on.
00:47:11
Do you know, I think that's that's just it always came from that.
00:47:13
There's just there was that? Yeah, there was.
00:47:15
There was an intense rivalry toward the later part of the, uh, the eighties, just as I was entering, You know, the age of reason.
00:47:22
Uh, really.
00:47:24
It's still not quite a toddler anymore, but just entering the age of reason and hearing those things going on.
00:47:30
So yeah, yeah.
00:47:32
I mean, they get a touch of respect, Kyle House, that they'll get a touch just like just a little bit.
00:47:36
Just just the touch of a little bit.
00:47:39
Yeah, I know.
00:47:40
And that's that's the difference in our age because, you know, those late 80 you know, like I said, I was born in 86.
00:47:45
So, you know, again, you know you can you can remember things you know, depending on what happened.
00:47:53
I mean, I have some fairly vivid memories off of, you know, being very young and going to wrestling shows.
00:47:59
I mean again, just like most memories.
00:48:01
They're kind of bits and pieces.
00:48:02
They're not necessarily a full, complete recollection.
00:48:06
But, you know, there's very thing, you know, I remember seeing Hacksaw Jim Duggan, and, you know, all those guys are like little House shows in Maine and whatnot.
00:48:13
And and going to the hockey games when I was a kid, like, You know, I swear I ***uely, ***uely remember watching some of the Bruins and the Oilers in the 1990 Stanley Cup Final.
00:48:26
You know, obviously I was 4.
00:48:27
5 years old, but, you know, little bits and pieces that you remember.
00:48:31
So, unfortunately, I Ah, very, very few memories of those Detroit teams.
00:48:37
But you know the stories I mean again when you're a kid, you know, You know what was happening? Just like your fear, kid.
00:48:43
Now, you kind of know what You know what happened a couple of years ago in reality, in relation to what we're talking about here.
00:48:49
The difference isn't that much.
00:48:51
I mean, we're talking about, Um, you know, 2014 till now. That's the difference.
00:48:56
You know, in terms of like, trying, Teoh, you know, separate the early part of the Jordan era which included those Pistons battles and the and the second part.
00:49:08
But in the case of being a kid, I mean, that's an eternity.
00:49:11
You quite a bit.
00:49:12
So, like, I do have some memories of that.
00:49:14
But you being a few years old of me, that that's right in your wheelhouse when it comes to your your bulls, Jordan and Piston memories.
00:49:21
And everyone knows about Bill and Bear, Isiah Thomas, all that whole crew.
00:49:27
Um, and again, I mean, how could that not boost the popularity of Jordan and the Bulls in general? Because again, I think there was that already that anti feeling against the Pistons.
00:49:37
So, hey, we got this guy that's gonna knock them down and, you know, and their run? Sure, Let's let's have at it.
00:49:45
Let's let's cheer him on.
00:49:48
Yeah, without question on and again, those you know, those wounds run deep.
00:49:53
I mean, here we are, all these years later, you know, more than more than 30 years later, and I still feel the way I feel up at team.
00:49:59
So you know, it's It's just one of those things where you look at it and you say, You know what sports rivalries in and things of that nature go together If you're a fan, no matter what team, you're a fan off, No matter what player, you're a fan of those.
00:50:13
Those bonds never, never leave you there.
00:50:15
Always there.
00:50:16
Whether you're a kid, whether you're a teenager, whether you're an adult, you still have that same feel.
00:50:22
Um, you know, I still you know, I still hear it and then everyone, unfortunately, my dad, you know, is no longer with us.
00:50:29
But I remember him talking about those those early New York Yankees teams with ****ey Mantle and Roger Maris and hearing him glowingly talk about how it felt to see these guys play these larger than life athletes.
00:50:41
We talked to guys that maybe have a few years on us, my friend, that were fans of the 75 67 Red Sox and how those teams have such an indelible place in their heart.
00:50:52
Year after year, Michael Jordan and the Bulls, I think, was something that our generation all has in common.
00:50:58
I didn't hear a whole lot of vitriol.
00:50:59
Ah, the way that people hate, for example, the New England Patriots.
00:51:03
Now, I think there was a universal maybe in a few patches.
00:51:07
There were some hatred for the bulls, but universally they were.
00:51:09
They were relatively, ah, beloved.
00:51:11
And one of the reasons why was Michael Jordan probably the biggest reason? Why was Michael Jordan and the fact that just everyone loved to come together and see him play the game? Yeah, and And look, we're gonna We're going to react to new episodes every Sunday for the next few weeks, so we're gonna react to that.
00:51:27
They're going to talk a lot about Dennis Rodman this weekend coming up.
00:51:29
So it should be fun yet.
00:51:31
And Kyle's white.
00:51:32
I'm sure jazz fans aren't to, ah, jazzy about the bulls.
00:51:35
So, um, I added the chance apart, but yeah, I know. It's a great point.
00:51:40
I mean, they you know, the other part is to we mentioned it earlier, the 24 7 news cycle.
00:51:44
This, you know, you know, everyone has a platform to speak their mind now.
00:51:48
So back in the nineties.
00:51:49
That didn't happen.
00:51:50
I mean, there was a lot of information that just, you know, didn't get out.
00:51:53
So But, you know, we are winding down here, and I do want to ah, mention that obviously, the draft is coming up on Thursday and we will, you know, Mike and I will be on the airport tomorrow, Thursday and Friday to talk about it, but we're also going to be broadcasting live.
00:52:11
Ah, maybe Mike, we don't know yet.
00:52:12
We'll figure it out.
00:52:13
We're still working out the schedule, but we're gonna have a bunch of people on Thursday night during the draft, we're gonna talk, react and, um, you know, kind of discuss what's going on, so check it out.
00:52:22
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FPC Radio LIVE - 4/21 - NFL Draft; The Last Dance

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the following takes place between 8 a.m.
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and 9 a.m.
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Good morning, everybody.
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And welcome to FB FFI Radio live.
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We're back after a brief, brief short weekend there an extra three day weekend.
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We took the holiday yesterday off and no stoners.
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We're not talking about 4 20 up in Northeast.
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There's actually ah, holiday yesterday Ah, normally reserved for marathon Monday.
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But again, Happy holiday told those out there in the Northeast.
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And look, I'm not meant to put stoners off.
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I'm just saying it's not what you're thinking about right now.
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So without further Dio, I got to bring in my man he is Ah, Mr Rhode Island himself again, we were working on progress pictures of the statute.
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But I assure you folks that it is being built up at Providence College.
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That's right.
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It is the statue of Mr Mike Debate Mike, how we doing today? Uh, doing well, buddy, I'm doing pretty well.
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It's ah, it's Tuesday.
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It is? Yes, it is. For 21.
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It is after 4 20 folks PSE and is right and I know no stoner stuff going on over here.
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But now we are only two days away less than 48 business hours, my friend from the start of the 2020 NFL draft and it's it's gonna be interesting.
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The they said that there were some glitches yesterday, but everything went off without a hitch.
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I don't know if I'm necessarily buying that.
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I think maybe we'll talk about that a little bit today.
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But plenty of plenty of new threats going around England Patriots unveiled their new uniforms yesterday.
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My beloved Los Angeles Chargers are developing.
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There's today there, the reeling, their new you know, forms.
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Wait a minute.
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I thought they already did come out with their logos.
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Wasn't at the l A.
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With the gold on the blue, Right? Right.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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That was That was that was the Rams yet? Okay, Maybe it was the healthy with, you know? Yeah, they both, uh, you know, they both play in the same area, you know, one place, the fans, the others don't.
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So it's it's really it's it's interesting to see what goes on.
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We clamored for football back in l. A.
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And it's pretty much living up to everything.
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We hope that wouldn't So on that note, there are some reds to come up todo funny joke.
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But in any case, um, you know, we look forward to some of that, but all eyes and ears and all your senses are ah, focused right on the NFL draft for this week.
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If you're in NFL fan and, uh, we'll see what happens there.
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Yeah.
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No.
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And look, I mean, we've already heard Ah, issues when it comes to band with and and just glitches when they ran their mock draft.
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I believe it was yesterday.
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May you know, the all these days are kind of just blurring together now and again.
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Stoners, That is not because of the holiday yesterday.
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This is just the just to cause and effect of this whole quarantine here that all these days they're just kind of blending together.
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But no, uh, yesterday I believe it is.
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When they did their mock draft and there were issues, there were connection issues.
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They were, you know, Mike's being on and getting like, massive echo.
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I mean, all the issues that I've dealt with personally trying to run these shows and put the shows together over the last several months or so.
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So I understand I understand what they're going through.
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What I also understand is that is a recipe for disaster.
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Um, in terms of it, just it.
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I don't know.
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I something tells me something's gonna go wrong.
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I don't think it's gonna completely ruin the draft.
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I just think that there's going to be certain things that are going to be talked about for years and years and years.
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And and And I said privately in a chat that you, ah, myself and all of our ah colleagues at F p c R in that I wonder how many conspiracy theories air gonna be born this weekend in terms of Oh, you know, Team A should have done this.
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What could they have done if they drafted Player X and so on and so forth? But since this happened, they weren't able to do it.
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Or if there's a glitch like God forbid, if there's a glitch around the time the Patriots pick, I mean, we've already seen nonsense and stupid like, you know, uh, overuse jokes all the time.
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Now, when it's like, Oh, the people are hacking into zoom because obviously the Patriots have done that before and assume anything that you know, goes wrong.
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Is the Patriots well? Ah, you know, we're going to see stuff like that.
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And again, this is all because people are absolutely crazy and out of their minds.
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And ah, you know, okay, at this point, I'm kind of here for I'm here for the creativity.
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I want to see what people blame.
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Ah, this draft for whether it was just not being able to get the player they wanted or or some sort of perceived.
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Ah ah, action by another team to prevent you for I don't know.
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I I'm actually here for that.
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I think it's going to be, Ah, an interesting collection of conspiracy theories coming out of this weekend.
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Absolutely, without question.
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There will be a lot of interesting conspiracy theories.
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And what I'm really waiting for is how long it takes John Harbaugh to stop blaming Bill Belichick for all of the pics or all of the problems that the Ravens have.
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That's usually the way that things go.
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Usually the pattern that follows.
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But Nikai, kid, folks, in all actuality, this it might end up going off without a hitch.
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I just I I can't see anything coming from this That doesn't involve some sort of a conspiracy theory.
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Like you said, I believe that it actually will.
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I think that there will be some moments where, UM you know teams have difficulty If if there's a time out issue.
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I mean, there's a lot of possible things that could go wrong here and I think the NFL is moving forward.
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I mean, obviously at this point we know that they're going to move forward.
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I would very, very be.
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I would be really shocked if we heard within the next 24 to 48 hours that they were a little bit squeamish, had decided to back off or postpone.
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Uh, that seemed a real possibility for a little while yesterday.
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But when they came out and said that everything else went smooth, then it looked like it was going to follow suit and that they were going to move forward.
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So again I have my doubts, but we live in hope and hopefully things will go off without a hitch.
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Everything will be OK and the teams will be able to complete their draft.
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But I have a feeling that, like you said, the stories about this NFL draft will start after the draft has been completed and after the conspiracy theory machine has a chance to kick in, so we'll see what happens.
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Hopefully, it's much ado about nothing, but, you know, again, like I said, I have my doubts. Yeah.
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I mean, yeah, it I'm not saying something will happen.
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I'm just saying, Look, I'm kind of here for just, you know, continue to add that strange flavor.
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Strange twist this whole year that's been going on, I think obviously, you know, more things we can point back to be like, Oh, yeah.
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I remember that draft in 2020 when when Dave Gettleman couldn't figure out how to log into his computer, and he missed out on, you know, stuff like that.
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And I I'm here for, you know, like, just just out of pure entertainment at this point because, you know, how many times can you what I mean? Well, I can watch shows over and over and over again, but you know, how many times can you sit here, watch same sports games over the same TV shows and movies over and over again? You get you kind of get sick of it.
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So give me anything at this point.
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I mean, the draft is gonna be great, as is, give a little extra added drama and make it even better.
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Well, combined everything into ah, movie sports and and all that fun stuff because guess what? After the NFL draft, it's gonna be very quiet on the on the sporting front aside from the ah, the continued play of the last dance.
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Ah, the ESPN do***entary on Michael Jordan, which I happen to catch the first to have.
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So So I enjoyed quite a lot.
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Um, I'm obviously I'm in my 30.
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So I'm someone who, uh, doesn't fully remember the first threepeat that they had but was very aware of the second.
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And the later years of Michael Jordan just goes, you know, every kid my age who ever enjoyed basketball, Especially if you're a Celtics fan, because again, do you know, when I was growing up as a kid, the Celtics were not good.
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This was This was I was born in 86.
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So the whole, um, mystique and the and the excitement of the Larry Bird era that had been, you know, had been kind of gone when I started really being able to pay attention to remember things in sports, especially stuff like basketball.
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So, um so again, kids my age, your age, basically 33 toe, 42 years old.
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I mean, that age group, your your your your Michael Jordan guy and ah, you know, for the most part.
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And And this was a nice, um, a nice package that they put together because, you know, say what you want about ESPN and you express this before we got on the air, but some of the best things that they do, actually, in my opinion, one of the the very best things that they do ah is put together these do***entaries and so far, two episodes, and it does not seem like it's going to disappoint.
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Yeah, this was extremely I've been following this again.
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Like you said, Anyone that grew up in our generation.
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I have a couple of years on you, my friend.
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So if it's just the couple, But I am in that in that age range that you mentioned and when you talk about the impact that Jordan had, I do remember I was It was young during his days of the 1st 3 peat, but I remember that very well.
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I remember being a kid playing pickup basketball for my junior high school and wanting to be Michael Jordan and then just, you know, finding that that inner ability to be able to ah, you know, toe to try Teoh mimic what you saw him do on the court.
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And no matter how hard you tried, you never even got close.
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Um, he was larger than life.
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He was larger than life. Back in the day.
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He was the soul, most recognizable and probably the so almost universally praised athlete in history.
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At the time.
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Those old Bulls teams were just they were amazing between B.
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J.
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Armstrong and Craig Hodges and Bill Cartwright and Virus Grant, all of the supporting cast that they had.
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Yes, Scottie Pippen get a lot of the credit as well.
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But it was Jordan.
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It was him.
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It was that indelible red jersey with the number 23 that just everybody wanted to be like.
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And to see that come out now and to see people be able to understand, especially the younger generation that has grown up watching guys like the late Kobe Bryant and naturally now with LeBron James, phenomenal players, absolutely phenomenal players.
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But in my opinion, there's only one that deserves the title of goat.
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Very similar to what we see in professional football only, you know, there's one that deserves that title, and everyone else is kind of nipping at the heels of it, but they're never gonna quite be able to grasp it.
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And in this case, I think this only cement Jordan's greatness, even Mawr.
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I think it's an honest approach.
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I think it's a very insightful approach.
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Jerry Krause is not looking very good.
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They're all missing all you know.
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I mean, there is There's really ah ah lot that, uh, that's that's there.
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And look, these smatterings were there all over the place.
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I don't think this is any new information from people that have followed the Bulls for a number of years or 24 seven news cycle and social media.
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So, you know, if this was happening now, I mean it would be, I think, that headline news today I'm so glad that you said that if you can take this situation and implant it into the social media era, the immediacy of news era that we live in right now.
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Can you imagine? What would you know? What would be going? I really would receive the Patriots quote unquote dysfunction as this level, and it's It's It's It's not, I mean, assuming we there's a bunch of stuff we just don't know and has never have never heard about.
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This is what people perceive the Patriots dysfunction as, and it's not even close.
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I mean, the function that was going on behind the scenes between the you know, we talk about craft Bella check and Brady all the time.
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But between Jordan Krause and the owner, um, you are like, you know, just management, general, um, you know, same same thing.
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Like there was just divide.
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Ah, apparently between the three.
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You know, Phil Jackson, Jordan crowds, those guys.
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And, ah, it was beyond repair.
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I think much different in terms of Belgium craft, Brady.
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But, you know, I think that's the perception people have now again, imagine if the Bulls situation happened with the state.
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You know the same.
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Everything was the same.
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Except for the time frame.
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It was happening now and I'm not 25 years ago.
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Um That's where I think all of a sudden, you look at that, I can't imagine what Twitter reaction would be.
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I mean, especially if again, you're you're that the reverse was happening.
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You were still somehow trying to compare LeBron t Michael Jordan.
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So before I, before I forget and this is someone posted this on Twitter, and I never remember who who, you know, do these tweets.
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I'd love to give him credit, but I really don't.
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But it kind of went viral.
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So I'm sure people have seen it, but they said the biggest the you know, the way Jordan influenced.
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Um, you know, it's a perfect example of Jordan's influence beyond just basketball and just his influence on the sport itself.
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But there was a scene where Patrick Ewing was was being interviewed and talked about.
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He was wearing his his Georgetown.
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Ah, like polo.
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And, you know, we all know obviously Jordan, North Carolina, they beat Georgetown in expression here.
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All that stuff.
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They highlighted that in the first episode.
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Well, um, someone noticed on the other side of the shirt was the jump man logo.
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Now, how incredible is that that you know you, Patrick Ewing, a MBA Hall of Fame player.
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You know, 30 some odd years later, sitting there talking about one of the most iconic national championship games where you know, a young freshman, Michael Jordan Beach.
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You Ah ah, and you're in Georgetown in the national championship game and you're just sitting there, you know, just talking about it reminiscing.
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And this whole time I mean, you have your school's logo branch Ah, shirt made by the company that Michael Jordan made faintly like the logo.
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Everything like that.
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I find that fascinating, and I love that Someone pointed that out.
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I thought that was great.
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Yeah, I know.
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And it is a testament to the respect and the respect level that these guys had for each other and the competition level that they had for each other.
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But I'm glad that you mentioned that, because that is mildly amusing when you think about it and you think about the correlation there.
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Ah, between the two and the history, these two have going back to some of the like, you said the battles between the Knicks and the Bulls and and all the way back to Georgetown in North Carolina.
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These rivalry.
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Stay with you.
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And, you know, at the end of the day, you tip your cat to, ah, the to the master.
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And I think, you know, maybe that was Ewing's way of doing that, So yeah. Interesting.
00:23:38
In kind of amusing, in my opinion.
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Well, in in look, I mean, we have, ah, colleague of ours, Mr John Sapic Chatty.
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He just he he's a he's a LeBron guy.
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And we talked about it a lot off there.
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And, you know, I tell him all the time.
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It's like, I disagree with them, but at the same time, I mean, that's, you know, this is kind of what you expect.
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Um, you know, to come out of this and and look, I'm, you know, go back to my I get reminded very often through my Facebook memories and these air Great now, But I mean, except for when you get ones where it's like, Oh, this is your Facebook memory from 12 years ago.
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Oh, my God.
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I've been on Facebook for 12 years that I'm like, Wait a minute.
00:24:17
No, it's actually been longer than that.
00:24:19
OK, things time flies by quite quickly.
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I I I at one point was always like that.
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Mention like, Oh, I was one of the one of the first, you know, back, back when it was the Facebook.
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Now I'm just like, Oh, jeez, I can't believe I've had my Facebook account for I think gonna be 16 years this November.
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So it's it's pretty, it's pretty wild.
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But anyways, I'm getting off track here.
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I'm actually don't even know what I was I was talking about Oh, yeah.
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Anyway, so we disagree, John and I and you know, a lot of people do because again, this is somehow always LeBron always squeezes his face into this whole conversation, and, you know, it's not always is doing, but he does have a knack for for for the self praising, ah, social media post and the, you know, attention grabbing like making it about him.
00:25:09
And again, this is just driving me absolutely nuts because it's not about LeBron James and and again, I there's jokes being made like Oh, he's already producing his own 10 part series that I wouldn't be shocked.
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I mean, that's kind of who he is.
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He sees a very he doesn't shy away from, you know, appreciating himself for sure.
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And that's one of the things that I personally don't like about him.
00:25:29
But again, I mean, we're we're not going to get into this debate about who's better, who's not? Um, I'm just going to say that like, Look, you know this, this whole idea, this whole reputation that that Jordan has gotten from the younger crowd about being just this guy who benefited for playing.
00:25:45
I mean, I've seen people criticize.
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Oh, look, look at Ah, look at who they're playing in 1986 like, Well, you're talking about one of the greatest teams ever in the history of the MBA in the in that 1986 Celtics team, and they highlighted his first, you know, games one and two against the Celtics, where he went 63 49 back to back games.
00:26:05
And it's just like what he was doing, what he was able to do against those guys against the league and just how he dominated every aspect of the game.
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That's what that's what makes him the greatest.
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And this is something that he did his entire career.
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And I'm sorry, LeBron fans, I just don't agree that he's close and this this constant need to push him into the conversation is it's not seating.
00:26:29
We see it on the football side a lot, too.
00:26:30
I mean, it just it is what it is, but yeah, I e.
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I had a feeling people are going to make this about LeBron and they kind of did, Or at least a good segment of people did.
00:26:40
Well, you knew that they were going to.
00:26:42
First of all, it's the generational factor, too.
00:26:44
I mean, every generation wants to believe that they're living through the greatest time, the greatest athletes, the greatest, you know, content, whatever you want to plug in their next two. Greatest.
00:26:55
They want to believe that they're living it, and they're going to defend it for, you know, for everything that they have to discount.
00:27:01
What LeBron James has been able to do in his career or just pass it off is ludicrous.
00:27:06
I mean, there's no question about it.
00:27:07
He has been the most dominant basketball player of this generation, and I don't think anybody is is arguing that point.
00:27:14
But when it comes to the argument between he and Jordan, I'm in your camp.
00:27:18
I'm definitely team Michael Jordan because I've seen this guy.
00:27:21
I remember the dominance.
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I remember the fear that players had in having to play him, and I I was one of them may be one of the few in the Northeast that had the pleasure of seeing him live twice, once in a Bulls uniform and once in a Wizards uniform.
00:27:39
Believe it or not, I actually have seen him.
00:27:41
I saw him play at the Garden or it was the Fleet Center at the time, and I saw him play.
00:27:47
Uh, I saw the uh, 70 win team play.
00:27:51
I saw that team play.
00:27:52
I saw Pippen, Rodman, Longley that that team that was just an absolute machine.
00:27:57
And for 3/4 the Celtics were beating them, and everybody in the arena was really starting to wonder.
00:28:03
First of all, there were more Jordan and Bulls fans in the arena that night than there were Celtics fans.
00:28:08
Which anybody that's been in a Celtics game lately since the resurgence of this team would Scott, that you tell if you tell, you know, some of the generation now some of the fans that you see that the Celtics stands that you see out there on Twitter.
00:28:23
Ah, that a team could come into your home base and out.
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Fan you.
00:28:29
They wouldn't believe it.
00:28:30
They would say that happens in other cities.
00:28:31
That doesn't happen in Boston.
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We love the Celtics.
00:28:34
Well, let me tell you folks, in the nineties, when the Celtics were really hitting the skids, that was happening.
00:28:39
And that building was probably 2 to 1 Bulls fans to Celtics fans that night.
00:28:44
It changed.
00:28:45
The tide changed in at right after the half when the Celtics really were putting the pressure on the Bulls and they were actually up.
00:28:52
I believe either nine or 10 points at one point, and that was unusual for that Bulls team.
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They didn't fall down nine or 10 points.
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They either kept it close or they were blowing you out.
00:29:02
And in the fourth quarter, it's like Jordan hit a switch.
00:29:05
It's almost like he looked at Scottie Pippen and said, All right, we done screwing around now.
00:29:09
Now we gotta get serious and the Bulls ended up winning that game.
00:29:12
But I think about 20 that gives you the once they turned it on.
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Once they were able to do what they needed to do.
00:29:19
There was no stopping that team, and I saw that in person that night.
00:29:24
I also got a chance to see Jordan at the tail end of his career when he was with the Wizards and he wasn't the same Michael Jordan.
00:29:30
He had lost a step, but he was still a fearful player and you could still see the players shying away from guarding him.
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And I remember pointing this out to a couple of my friends that we were with.
00:29:40
We were watching the game and I said, Look, they don't want to get in his face.
00:29:44
They don't want to go up and defend him They're worried about being posterized and sure enough, you know, Jordan was still capable of having a couple of those moments, and he did have a couple of those moments where he drive to the basket, make it make a shot and you'd be like, Wow, you know what? He's getting older, but he's still Michael Jordan.
00:30:00
Until LeBron gets to that level, I agree with you.
00:30:04
I think it's tough to put him at the top of that conversation.
00:30:07
Is he in the conversation.
00:30:08
Yeah, I think he deserves to be in the conversation.
00:30:10
But, um, and again, I think that's one of the reasons why you know John Posts is Ah, you know the stories and what not.
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He makes a convincing argument. I've read his stuff.
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I think it's it's well thought out.
00:30:21
It's It's very It's not Stanish folks.
00:30:24
It's very, uh, he makes a very good and very solid argument, but from someone that had the opportunity to see Jordan playing his prime and then see Jordan play at the tail end of his career and still have that same effect to me.
00:30:38
That's why I put him at the top of the list of greatest athletes that I may be that I've ever seen play.
00:30:44
I mean, I put him up there in the same echelon as Tom Brady in terms of the dominance that these athletes had and the way they were able to control the game, not just with their talent on the field, but cerebral e.
00:30:57
Um, I don't think we'll ever see athletes like this again.
00:31:00
This was just another breed.
00:31:02
Um, and, uh, you know what? He comes around once in every generation this generation happens to be football.
00:31:08
Last generation happened to be basketball.
00:31:10
That's just my opinion.
00:31:12
And I'm glad you did bring a Brady.
00:31:14
Because again, I have.
00:31:15
You know, I enjoy every opportunity that I get to talk about.
00:31:18
Com Brady.
00:31:19
Even the fact that he was asked our he was asked to leave a public park here in Tampa Bay recently.
00:31:24
That was the story of you was out there that would training up.
00:31:27
No, no, no.
00:31:28
I just saying, like, people down there, maybe they're just not used to seeing him yet.
00:31:31
They weren't quite sure.
00:31:32
But that will get around to it anyways.
00:31:34
Uh, no, they watching it to you sit there.
00:31:37
And obviously I was drawing the in my opinion, That's just the I don't want to say comparisons, because I've already highlighted the fact that the two situations in terms of how this triumvirate split, you know, the patriots versus the Bulls are so very different.
00:31:54
But again, the the casual follower out there is gonna equate.
00:31:59
The two is being very similar.
00:32:01
So naturally you're going to draw those comparisons and think about that situation and just kind of, you know, there are a lot of other similarities in terms of championship total, the, you know, reverence of the coach and so on and so forth.
00:32:15
But listening and watching Jordan, especially in his younger years and just how he carried himself from, You know, a lot of this stuff.
00:32:27
I already already I already knew maybe not to as much detail, but, like, you know, you know the stories about how he didn't make his high school team this, that and the other.
00:32:35
And it sounds so familiar to Tom Brady.
00:32:39
And there's a lot of comparisons in terms of, um, trying to figure out how these two athletes were able to transcend their sport and transcend, You know, other great players.
00:32:50
Um, I mean, we're not talking about, ah, guy that was just head and shoulders above everyone else.
00:32:56
I mean, there were contemporaries.
00:32:57
There were players out there that would give, you know, each each of them run for their money.
00:33:02
But at the end of the day, they would consistently be better than them.
00:33:05
And we're talking about Hall of Fame players.
00:33:07
You know that the best of the best players in both respective leagues, But there's this there was this one trait that they very evidently share.
00:33:16
And that's their competitiveness.
00:33:18
It's their drive to be better.
00:33:19
And there Dr Toe work, we know how Tom iss We know what he does and and how dedicated he is to improving his task.
00:33:27
I mean, people overlook it now, but, I mean, we talk about him trying to improve little do wants is off his game at his age.
00:33:34
I mean, how often do you get that? You don't? Um you know, at that point, you're pretty much either retired in the case of about 95% of the history of the league.
00:33:44
Or, you know, you're an older quarterback who's like, Look, I'm going to do it my way.
00:33:48
I'm not looking toe, you know, change.
00:33:50
At this age, I got a couple of years left yada, yada, yada.
00:33:53
But both players, um, jointed and Bree have possessed a this just a new saddle.
00:34:00
Anoosha fulfill desire t just be better.
00:34:05
And it constantly pushes them and pushes them.
00:34:07
And, you know, Jordan actually said something.
00:34:09
Ah, very similar to you know, Brady's the next one quote.
00:34:14
You know what? Your favorite Super Bowl the next one and he said, I'm kind of just don't it altogether.
00:34:19
But he essentially said the same thing is like, you know what your favorite titles like? Well, you know, we get to go for six now, you know, or something like that.
00:34:25
So there's a very similar Ah, you know, Ah, similar mindset between the tool run and you know, everyone can have that mindset.
00:34:36
But not everyone can deliver and ah, you know, again going back to comparing Jordan and and Brady, we saw them deliver not only, you know, right off the bat in their in their pro careers.
00:34:48
I mean, obviously, you know, it took Jordan a little bit longer to win a championship, but in the turn, in terms of basketball, on the fact that's a little bit more individual individualistic, you know, winning rookie of the years. You know, scoring.
00:35:01
You know, as much as he did.
00:35:02
All that stuff lends to a great start, but he also came up big in college.
00:35:07
Same thing that Brady does, even though Brady gets overlooked a little bit more because he was never the quote unquote five star recruit.
00:35:14
You know, he was just that a guy But you know the comebacks.
00:35:17
Ah, you know, the big play in big situations, All the stuff that we've seen him do throughout his entire career.
00:35:23
He was doing in college.
00:35:24
Just no one wants toe cares to accept it.
00:35:27
I mean, they just think that he came in and and Belichick made him out of spare parts and and, uh, you know, programming and all that stuff.
00:35:35
And you know that you're saying, say, majority And I mean, the guy always had a He always had that innate ability to produce in the biggest moments.
00:35:44
And, you know, that's what really separates him and Brady from the rest.
00:35:48
And in my in my opinion, him in LeBron James.
00:35:51
And this debate that I think is over.
00:35:54
Um, you know, I I just don't I just don't see the same ah killer instinct for lack of a better phrase when it comes to LeBron um, and I think that's we've seen that time and time again, and I and I think this Siri's is highlighting the differences and it's pretty, in my opinion, pretty obvious.
00:36:15
But, you know, there's a lot of people who disagree with me.
00:36:18
I do agree with you and I don't see the same killer instinct.
00:36:22
And look, I think a lot of people probably look at that and go, You know, you're just a you're eight and you're taking on the new do Well, no, I'm not hating on the new General.
00:36:29
Yes, I grew up idolizing Michael Jordan.
00:36:31
I think every kid our age did, um and again, there's probably a little bit of rose colored glasses that I look at him through.
00:36:39
I'll be the first to admit that, but I don't see the same killer instinct in LeBron that I do see in Jordan that you have seen in Jordan.
00:36:45
I mean, this was a guy that was so competitive that players that were on his team would say that he would look for any competitive advantage he could to beat them in poker while they were waiting to board the plane.
00:36:55
He would literally do anything they could.
00:36:57
And if you beat Jordan at poker, he was miserable until the next time that you got a chance to do that.
00:37:03
That's how competitive this guy Waas he didn't want to lose a chess game to his own mother.
00:37:08
I mean, this is how competitive this guy was, just the drive that he showed every single day out on the court every single day in every aspect of his life.
00:37:17
You do see that in Tom Brady, and I'm glad that you made that parallel because I think there's something in athletes like this, that innate quality in them that just will not accept losing.
00:37:29
I'm glad that you mentioned about Brady and that he was doing this in college and that people think that he's a transplant that just came in, was dropped in, Belichick, molded him, crafted him in his image and then put him out there.
00:37:40
I had an opportunity last week for locked on Patriots to interview Isaiah Whole, who is the publisher of Wolverines Wire and Post, locked on Wolverines podcast on our network.
00:37:49
And Isaiah went to MIT University of Michigan with Tom Brady was in a couple of his classes, so he knows Tom.
00:37:57
He's seen Tom from the day that he was a college quarterback and Isaiah said it, he says.
00:38:03
I remember telling my friends this guy's got something in him that we're going to see that no one else has seen yet and people would even say that.
00:38:11
Oh, how can you say that? You know, he's one of the starters.
00:38:14
You know.
00:38:15
He's a big time quarterback over here is like, You have it, this guy's mawr than what we're seeing.
00:38:19
And Isaiah was able to pinpoint that from day one.
00:38:22
There was a quality in him that existed back in college.
00:38:25
So for everybody that thinks that Brady was a Belichick creation in the lab somewhere, he was far from that.
00:38:31
Now am I knocking you Nobel checks ability to bring out the best in Tom Brady? Absolutely not very similar to what you saw with Jordan and Jackson.
00:38:40
You didn't see Jordan hone into that complete player until he had a Phil Jackson to kind of round out and be able to harness everything he had and demand everything he had within him.
00:38:52
You saw that with Brady and Belichick, but to think that these guys were not going to be the great athletes that they were before end is something you know, that just to me is not accurate.
00:39:03
These guys have it in them.
00:39:05
Yes, it takes a great coach to be able to bring it all out of them.
00:39:08
But it has to be in you to begin with.
00:39:11
And that's what you see with great athletes such as Jordan and and Brady and just this next breed of athlete that's just head and shoulders above the rest.
00:39:19
Yeah, and look, I'm certainly just like you may be looking at it with a little, you know, Rose coach classes as well.
00:39:27
But at the same time, I do feel very strongly and in my opinion, on the matter.
00:39:30
And look, I've been fortunate enough to to ah, you know, watch both a woman and, you know, again continue to watch Brady obviously still play it at this point in his life.
00:39:41
He still got a couple of years left.
00:39:42
So, um you know, and it's an added bonus that, you know, this this generational player was actually a player on your on the team that you were a fan of.
00:39:51
So it makes it even better Teoh relish in that and enjoy that.
00:39:55
But two very similar players to very similar, um, paths in terms of just you know, how they dominated the score in their own respective.
00:40:04
You know, people ask.
00:40:05
So what's better? Six and eight or six and 20.
00:40:07
Well, you know, it's hard to compare because again, you know, multiple championships in the n b.
00:40:12
A.
00:40:13
It's not that, you know, it's it's not that Ah, you know, it happens.
00:40:19
I mean, how we've seen, you know, the Golden State and the Lakers, and you know, all these other teams.
00:40:24
I mean, I have, like, many little dynasties or what we would probably consider a dynasty in the NFL.
00:40:29
Um, which doesn't happen often we'd consider.
00:40:32
We've seen you know, what we've seen from the MBA over the last 20 to 30 years.
00:40:36
I mean, teams just do that.
00:40:38
They go on roles, you know, and you get the right combination of players and that that's just how the league works.
00:40:42
Um, so you know, to compare six and eight and six and 20.
00:40:46
Well, it's it's far too different of a sport.
00:40:49
I mean, I happen to think that the Patriots six Super Bowl titles, nine appearances and and their run is a little bit more impressive.
00:40:57
But again, I mean, you know what, are we arguing? Care.
00:41:00
It's a It's a pointless debate.
00:41:02
Ah ha.
00:41:03
When it comes to trying to say, Well, that's about it.
00:41:06
And so is your co host, by the way.
00:41:08
But hey, pointless debate. Great.
00:41:11
Yes, exactly that I dropped that in your thunder, but I had to drop at it.
00:41:18
No, no, I'm not.
00:41:19
I'm glad you did.
00:41:20
That was good. I'm all about jokes. I enjoy jokes.
00:41:22
Um, you know, and actually, one of the things before I forget to ISMM or, you know, on the whole, you know, Jordan LeBron comparison.
00:41:30
And this was only evident more so as I as I started watching this do***entary, but you look at it and Jordan dominated as a spy, smaller guy in a big man's game.
00:41:41
Whereas, you know, LeBron and this is of no fault of his own is dominating as a big man in a small man's game.
00:41:48
You know what I'm saying? Like it does that make sense, like, you know, Jordan was, you know, we talk about the Pistons and the Celtics.
00:41:55
I mean, they were highlighting the Celtics lineup in 86.
00:41:59
I mean, there were, you know, giants out there.
00:42:02
I mean, how you're supposed to dominate that, But a guy that you know is relatively underside, especially when you think about, um, the difference in size between Jordan and LeBron the branches, the big big guy who is blessed with incredible amount of athleticism and he knows how to use it.
00:42:17
So in addition to the n b A, being a want to call it softer because I think that's, ah, it's on an appropriate term.
00:42:24
But it might be the most accurate term in terms of how the game's officiated and played thes days, as opposed to what it was in the eighties and nineties and and all that when it was a lot more physical.
00:42:35
There's, you know, bigger guys out there.
00:42:37
I mean again, Jordan dominated in a game that was not meant for him to dominate, and I think that was you know what really sticks out to me and, you know, you think about his his stat line against the Celtics in those playoff games.
00:42:52
So we mentioned that was without hitting three pointers.
00:42:55
You know, this wasn't you know.
00:42:56
He threw up 23 pointers, and that's how we know this was This was not a three point shooters game, and that's that's again.
00:43:04
Another impressive thing about Jordan and what really stood out to me.
00:43:09
Yeah.
00:43:10
I mean again, I think just the drive, the competitive nature and the ability of of Jordan to be able to dominate a game before he even walked out on the court.
00:43:19
And I think it comes back again to the level of respect, the level of fear that players had when they played against him.
00:43:25
They knew that he was the most fearsome competitors that they would ever face.
00:43:29
And even, you know, teams like, you know, the Pistons and what not in the in the, uh in the early to the late eighties, early nineties that had some battles with Jordan's bulls.
00:43:40
You're seeing some of that come through.
00:43:43
I think you know that to me, that was a very interesting part of the whole Bulls dynasty.
00:43:47
The whole Jordan career was getting over that hump, being able to finally beat the Detroit Pistons, the bad boys of of of Motown and all that, and they were coming in.
00:43:58
And you're still seeing that.
00:43:59
I mean, Jordan, Hey, you want to make the argument that Jordan prematurely ended their their dominance of the East after Larry Bird and the Celtics were starting toe Wayne a little bit.
00:44:09
And it was all of a sudden the Pistons time to take over.
00:44:12
Um, Michael Jordan came in and stopped that fairly quickly.
00:44:14
And you even see guys like Bill Laimbeer now go on ESPN and make the claim that all LeBron is much, much better than Jordan never was.
00:44:21
And you know, I mean, I caution you to consider the source, folks.
00:44:25
I mean, this is probably one of the more viol basketball players that you've ever seen in your life and a guy that is still very bitter about what the Jordan dynasty was able to do to his beloved Pistons.
00:44:36
But is my hatred for that team coming up a little bit too much? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Yeah, and you know what I mean.
00:44:43
I grew up leading Celtic screen.
00:44:45
There's no question about it.
00:44:46
Yeah, there were moments where Jordan frustrated you and you were like a man.
00:44:49
You know, he's going to do it to us again.
00:44:51
There was no, you know, team.
00:44:53
There was no rivalry that Celtics fans love to hate more than the Lakers.
00:44:56
There was always a respect underlying at least for May.
00:44:59
I don't want to speak for others, but I always had an underlying respect for that team from Magic and for Cream and and worthy and and those guys and and seeing what they were able to dio, I didn't always have a whole lot of respect for the Pistons up.
00:45:12
Be honest with you.
00:45:13
Maybe it's because of the way they played the underhanded nature, the dirty tactics on a lot of ways, very much like the great Ric Flair, Dirty, dirty players in a game.
00:45:22
That's how they were.
00:45:23
That's what they did, what they had to do, they would do to beat you.
00:45:27
And, you know, I guess in a way you have to look at that and say, Well, it's just survival, the fittest.
00:45:31
But I was always Yeah, if if you're asking me which team the basketball team that I grew up hating Mawr.
00:45:39
Surprisingly, I think people would be surprised to hear me say the Detroit Pistons, as opposed to the Los Angeles Lakers.
00:45:44
Not looking into this thing that I didn't not that I didn't you know.
00:45:49
Not that I didn't hate the Lakers while we were playing them, but like I said there was always that under lying respect.
00:45:54
I just don't have that for, you know, for for the Pistons.
00:45:57
But in any case, I sorry, I don't mean to digress, but getting back to Jordan, I dio, you know, take a lot of And there's a lot in these do***entaries, things that I'm learning for the first time.
00:46:09
Things that I'm seeing when it comes to, ah, to his nature, how he conducted himself and just you know what he had to go through in some of those seasons.
00:46:18
So if folks, if you haven't been able to figure it out by now, I think he and and I definitely give it our stamp of approval check it out.
00:46:26
Especially under the cir***stances right now where we're all looking for good content to be able to view.
00:46:33
This is one of them.
00:46:34
And kudos to ESPN on a job well done on Kailash.
00:46:37
Use the piston.
00:46:38
Can't get no respect from you, Mike.
00:46:40
Is that it? That change that changed when that when that team started Teoh weigh in a little bit.
00:46:49
I don't have that same contempt for the team at all Now.
00:46:52
I think it was just the era and the players and not, you know, maybe it was Johnny most screaming, you know, on the on the radio on.
00:47:00
My dad used to listen to the Celtics games on the radio and just here in Johnny Most scream about lamb beer going.
00:47:05
Hes on Adam.
00:47:06
All I'm always should be in a cage on.
00:47:11
Do you know, I think that's that's just it always came from that.
00:47:13
There's just there was that? Yeah, there was.
00:47:15
There was an intense rivalry toward the later part of the, uh, the eighties, just as I was entering, You know, the age of reason.
00:47:22
Uh, really.
00:47:24
It's still not quite a toddler anymore, but just entering the age of reason and hearing those things going on.
00:47:30
So yeah, yeah.
00:47:32
I mean, they get a touch of respect, Kyle House, that they'll get a touch just like just a little bit.
00:47:36
Just just the touch of a little bit.
00:47:39
Yeah, I know.
00:47:40
And that's that's the difference in our age because, you know, those late 80 you know, like I said, I was born in 86.
00:47:45
So, you know, again, you know you can you can remember things you know, depending on what happened.
00:47:53
I mean, I have some fairly vivid memories off of, you know, being very young and going to wrestling shows.
00:47:59
I mean again, just like most memories.
00:48:01
They're kind of bits and pieces.
00:48:02
They're not necessarily a full, complete recollection.
00:48:06
But, you know, there's very thing, you know, I remember seeing Hacksaw Jim Duggan, and, you know, all those guys are like little House shows in Maine and whatnot.
00:48:13
And and going to the hockey games when I was a kid, like, You know, I swear I ***uely, ***uely remember watching some of the Bruins and the Oilers in the 1990 Stanley Cup Final.
00:48:26
You know, obviously I was 4.
00:48:27
5 years old, but, you know, little bits and pieces that you remember.
00:48:31
So, unfortunately, I Ah, very, very few memories of those Detroit teams.
00:48:37
But you know the stories I mean again when you're a kid, you know, You know what was happening? Just like your fear, kid.
00:48:43
Now, you kind of know what You know what happened a couple of years ago in reality, in relation to what we're talking about here.
00:48:49
The difference isn't that much.
00:48:51
I mean, we're talking about, Um, you know, 2014 till now. That's the difference.
00:48:56
You know, in terms of like, trying, Teoh, you know, separate the early part of the Jordan era which included those Pistons battles and the and the second part.
00:49:08
But in the case of being a kid, I mean, that's an eternity.
00:49:11
You quite a bit.
00:49:12
So, like, I do have some memories of that.
00:49:14
But you being a few years old of me, that that's right in your wheelhouse when it comes to your your bulls, Jordan and Piston memories.
00:49:21
And everyone knows about Bill and Bear, Isiah Thomas, all that whole crew.
00:49:27
Um, and again, I mean, how could that not boost the popularity of Jordan and the Bulls in general? Because again, I think there was that already that anti feeling against the Pistons.
00:49:37
So, hey, we got this guy that's gonna knock them down and, you know, and their run? Sure, Let's let's have at it.
00:49:45
Let's let's cheer him on.
00:49:48
Yeah, without question on and again, those you know, those wounds run deep.
00:49:53
I mean, here we are, all these years later, you know, more than more than 30 years later, and I still feel the way I feel up at team.
00:49:59
So you know, it's It's just one of those things where you look at it and you say, You know what sports rivalries in and things of that nature go together If you're a fan, no matter what team, you're a fan off, No matter what player, you're a fan of those.
00:50:13
Those bonds never, never leave you there.
00:50:15
Always there.
00:50:16
Whether you're a kid, whether you're a teenager, whether you're an adult, you still have that same feel.
00:50:22
Um, you know, I still you know, I still hear it and then everyone, unfortunately, my dad, you know, is no longer with us.
00:50:29
But I remember him talking about those those early New York Yankees teams with ****ey Mantle and Roger Maris and hearing him glowingly talk about how it felt to see these guys play these larger than life athletes.
00:50:41
We talked to guys that maybe have a few years on us, my friend, that were fans of the 75 67 Red Sox and how those teams have such an indelible place in their heart.
00:50:52
Year after year, Michael Jordan and the Bulls, I think, was something that our generation all has in common.
00:50:58
I didn't hear a whole lot of vitriol.
00:50:59
Ah, the way that people hate, for example, the New England Patriots.
00:51:03
Now, I think there was a universal maybe in a few patches.
00:51:07
There were some hatred for the bulls, but universally they were.
00:51:09
They were relatively, ah, beloved.
00:51:11
And one of the reasons why was Michael Jordan probably the biggest reason? Why was Michael Jordan and the fact that just everyone loved to come together and see him play the game? Yeah, and And look, we're gonna We're going to react to new episodes every Sunday for the next few weeks, so we're gonna react to that.
00:51:27
They're going to talk a lot about Dennis Rodman this weekend coming up.
00:51:29
So it should be fun yet.
00:51:31
And Kyle's white.
00:51:32
I'm sure jazz fans aren't to, ah, jazzy about the bulls.
00:51:35
So, um, I added the chance apart, but yeah, I know. It's a great point.
00:51:40
I mean, they you know, the other part is to we mentioned it earlier, the 24 7 news cycle.
00:51:44
This, you know, you know, everyone has a platform to speak their mind now.
00:51:48
So back in the nineties.
00:51:49
That didn't happen.
00:51:50
I mean, there was a lot of information that just, you know, didn't get out.
00:51:53
So But, you know, we are winding down here, and I do want to ah, mention that obviously, the draft is coming up on Thursday and we will, you know, Mike and I will be on the airport tomorrow, Thursday and Friday to talk about it, but we're also going to be broadcasting live.
00:52:11
Ah, maybe Mike, we don't know yet.
00:52:12
We'll figure it out.
00:52:13
We're still working out the schedule, but we're gonna have a bunch of people on Thursday night during the draft, we're gonna talk, react and, um, you know, kind of discuss what's going on, so check it out.
00:52:22
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