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00:00:00
leave the Lakers in a little bit, but we're gonna talk about, um, the last dance.
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I guess what everybody's talking about.
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Some joined by two lifelong friends.
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My man die. You'd Wallace.
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Welcome to Laker Central.
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He's been on before, and then you guys know Mike, one of my co host from our other podcasts.
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Off the record.
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Welcome to the show, fellas.
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Well, thank you, sir.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having us in there.
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So I brought these two fellas these these two dudes on because they grew up watching the bullets, just like I did.
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Were fortunate enough to have watched Michael, Scottie and the Bulls dominate.
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And I wanted to bring them on the share some context, um, to the bulls.
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And then maybe some of the conversation that we're seeing now going with this ridiculous Michael LeBron debate that people love to get into, um, But before we kick it off, I want to play a little bit of, um, some of the clips from the last dance episodes that aired last night.
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So we bring them in right now.
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So going in 1997 98 balls have won five championships.
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There's drama that summer as to whether they even gonna come back.
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Although I think most of us who are from Chicago and call Chicago home knew somehow they'd be back rise to a majority owner, I would have to leave town if they didn't come back.
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You can't argue with championship after championship after championship, there was still the best team in the NBA.
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You have Scottie Pippen incredibly talented athlete, very skilled score is mental sharpness, and his court awareness in his basketball savvy made him the greatest number two player ever.
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Let's stop. Let me stop right there.
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Stop right there.
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Eso overall, What did you guys think about? Um, the 1st 2 episodes of the do***entary.
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Well, I'll go first.
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First.
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What? The anticipation was incredible.
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It was It lived up to the hype so far.
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Right now it's top three do***entary, I know off two episodes, but I mean, Biggie was the number one rapper offer to out.
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So why can't we do two episodes, right? Oh, it was just incredible.
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Like you said growing up when we did, you know, being our age under 40 but close to 40 right? So 97 98 we were still in high school and there was no twitter.
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There was no, uh, All we had was 30 seconds to sports center with Keith and Dan doing the highlights.
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So we didn't know about a lot of the backstories a beef between the front office, the peace between Pippen, Um, we just thought it was all good.
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We just start like, you know, Jordan.
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It just went.
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That's what I always do is win.
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So we didn't really know when This puts a nice behind the curtains and I'm enjoying it and we're definitely looking forward to the rest of it.
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I mean, we ain't got **** else to watch, right? What do you think of? Admire what? I mean, like that.
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Who said the anticipation for it was, well, straight.
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I mean, like, then the fact that they moved it up.
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What? How many months wasn't supposed to come out in June soon, Right? June.
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So they bumped it up.
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Um, which even adds added to the anticipation of the, um you know, it seemed like at the end of each episode, like I would look at my lady who was watching will be and say like and that was and I were already because I was I was locked in.
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And the way they ended each episode like they kind of left you hanging.
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You know what? You know what was gonna be next? So I think it's dope.
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I mean, if it was on that flicks, like right now, I probably would've benched the whole thing last night.
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So I think it's so I mean and a lot of people.
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So I've been seeing today that a lot of people are on.
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They could be The naysayers were a lot of people were saying it wasn't all that blah, blah, and they think that the hype is because there's actually nothing else on TV.
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But I don't know that I think that this is I mean, this is what we grew up seeing.
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This is this is, you know, to some the greatest player would not even to some, this is the greatest player.
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Pretty much of our error that we were able to witness play basketball.
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So to get the behind the scenes look like that will say it is very intriguing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, look, I was talking to somebody early about this today.
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because people are saying, Well, we're gonna need a LeBron do***entary 10 years or whatever after he's done And here's the thing.
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A lot of this footage stayed locked up for 30 years.
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We knew about LeBron, you know.
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But the moment he got in high school, Jordan was Jordan when there was no social media.
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So everything about LeBron is is already out there.
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Everything he takes a step, cameras everywhere.
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People are talking about it For there.
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They're there to be footage and stories about Jordan that that some people knew there were whispers, but people didn't openly talk about and kept quiet all these years.
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I mean, how many of us knew that there was this footage of the last season that was up in Secaucus, New Jersey, that Adam Silver, when he was a marketing director for the MBA, convinced Michael like we didn't know that.
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But if LeBron was filming a do***entary a secret do***entary, everybody would know about it already.
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Yeah, Ron Brown would have tweeted it out already. E.
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I mean, it's so hard to keep these things secret.
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So I mean, t m z didn't even find out about this.
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I mean, they kept this quiet for 30 years.
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I mean, so is that weird? We know teams, he find out people dead before they even did.
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So that's that being like, Hey, that that is that is amazing.
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But they said that silver and it might said they made a deal that it wouldn't wouldn't come.
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They wouldn't speak about unless they both agree for it to come out.
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So wait a minute.
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Adam Silver was the head of entertainment.
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Yeah, he was like the marketing director for the MBA at that time in 97 98.
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He's convinced Mike to do this, even came up.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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He had a He had a pimp.
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It might come up.
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We're talking in any, and I double a whatever. Whatever.
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It was a look at the pignoli and I got some.
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I got some stuff for him, too.
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Well, yeah, so that Let me see.
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That's not what some of the characters in this right.
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So Jeri Ryan's door prize the Bulls and they're basically a laughing stock of Chicago.
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I mean, what did they say? The hockey team Chicago.
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The Blackhawks were better.
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Obviously, the hope face what kind of White Sox were better.
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Um, I could have sworn it like a roller skating team was better than he said.
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An indoor soccer team.
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Yeah, the Bulls were a joke, right? You get Michael Jordan, and all of a sudden you turn the franchise around.
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But Jerry rised rised or hires Krause, who was a scouting.
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It was a scout for what the White Sox socks right off owns the White Sox, too, right? So But Ryan's door from the jump in the do***entary says, I was warned about Jerry Cross, that he could alienate people.
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E me like the lady tells you right from the get go.
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People told me this do might not be the right person, but he builds.
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He helps build this dynasty, right? And I don't like.
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I feel like Cross did himself a disservice in that He really did think that he was the brains behind the entire operation, and he goes after Phil Jackson.
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But you can't, but Michael says, Well, Phil goes, I'm out so you can't go after Phil and then who do you go after with Scotty and Mike doesn't really have Scottie's back, in my opinion, who well Yeah, I interject something, sir.
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Um, I have to You have to agree with you, Michael Jordan.
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Michael Jeffrey Jordan, as we call it around, the way he was so big.
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Like he's like Drake.
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Beyonce tease is bigger than all these people, right? Like, let me interject.
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I saw the bay that who's bigger, beyonc? Or Michael Jordan? I hate it.
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I hate it.
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But divers, I saw somebody saying that, You know, if you took a picture of Michael Jordan, let me finish up.
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Okay? Let's I know.
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Actually think Snoop Dog is big and and beyonc? You took a picture.
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You took a picture of Beyonce's snoop dog to your grandmother who doesn't care about none of these people, right? She could she would know who Snoop Dog is.
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I don't know.
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Well, what I try to explain to people is Michael in the nineties, like pre social media like they're so before social media.
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There's a handful of people that were just bigger than everything.
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Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson like if you put them in today's climate with social media, they will be even bigger.
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I mean, they were worldwide phenomenons without 24 7 camera access and all this stuff.
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So look, I didn't mean to cut you off, but going What were you saying about Jerry Krause and jury Reinsdorf Ryan's Dorf.
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Did he know more than he knew? I'm sure he did, but I actually like how he was so noncommittal in the whole thing.
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He kind of stayed clean of everything, but he doesn't the buck stop with the owner.
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Well, the pencil type of owner you have, if you have a jury Joe's type owner, Yes.
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If you have some of these guys like Jeri Ryan's of Don't know, that's why you hire a GM, in my opinion, to kind of get the heat off.
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You let him be the punching, Don't let him be the Bufferin.
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And that's what Klaus really was.
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He was a buffer.
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Hey, had the ego.
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It's kind of sad that he he Oh, no, he's definitely bad guy in this whole do***entary so far.
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But it kind of like you said Okay.
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Should have Pippins back.
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So you don't pay NJ.
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I'm out.
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I would have You mean at world to double back off what you said? First of all, I don't give rise door for past for which you just said it was clear that he used crowds and he's using them in this do***entary right now as the fall guy.
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Hey, you know, I let him do him, But typically when the owners winning championships like the Bulls were, they get involved, right? Because in he also to me, he was First of all, he was contradicted himself because he would say, like, Yo, you know, I told Scottie, Don't sign that deal.
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Why? I told her I liked crowds kind of do what he did, but then he would also turn around and say, Hey, I was the reason why we didn't get rid of it.
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I'm a reason why we didn't trace got so involved this way, got involved in those things.
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So that's why I'm not buying will rise or set.
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I remember in those times when it was talk to Scotty Man being traded and this happened.
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This had been a couple times in his career with the Bulls.
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I remember it happened when, during the years that Jordan laugh, I remember doing that All Star Year All Star Game.
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One year it was rumored he was wont get traded. The pit.
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I mean, get traded to Phoenix.
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Well, Charles, remember, have in.
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And then I remember it happened in this time as well.
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Um, and I remember honestly thinking the same dangle was We're waiting, actually, for Jordan to say you're pimping out here that I'm not I'm not doing it.
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Remember? Don't know today That remembers, like, clamoring for Jordan to say a pimping on.
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I'm not. I'm not here.
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But now, watching the doc, you see that Jordan actually felt some kind of way about the way Pippen was handling this? Sure.
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You know, he he thought he was selfish.
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He thought he should have got the surgery before and right at the end of the season instead of waiting.
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So any any thought that wants to trade request came out from Pippen himself that he thought he was yourself.
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So I agree with you, Alex.
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On that.
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I'm not going to say he didn't.
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I won't say he didn't have his back per se, but then I'm gonna say Yeah, he didn't.
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He didn't.
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Jordan could have put it.
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He could have put a nail and all of that by saying you trade pimping reminds will trade me, too.
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I mean, Tracy, Tracy McGrady came out and said that there was a trade that the Bulls proposed to the Raptors in 97 for him for Scotty.
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And Mike stepped in then and said, No, it's not gonna happen.
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And I'm sure you all are aware that the Bulls tried to treat Scotty for Shawn Kemp.
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And then Mike stepped in on that.
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But my call and Scotty selfish is kind of like calling the pot calling the kettle black.
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When Mike and 93 just decides I'm up and walking away from baseball, I mean basketball to play baseball like, Is that not self fishing itself? Also, how do you have that right, that just quit in the middle of a championship run.
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And then you call this do selfish because he wants to get paid.
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I mean, if Scotty didn't, Scotty didn't request to trade until his name was already in trade rumors, like right.
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Like cross was Christ Cross was publicly saying, I'm listening to trade off.
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Yeah, you imagine that happening today? I saw I was I was I was telling, you know, I was like, Why don't you just say no comment or way we look at everything.
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But he was like, Yeah, good filled with Bill came back.
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It was like he came in for 97 98 came back and Cross comes into says this year last year, like, how do you walk into what might be at that time? Could have been the greatest coach of all time, but certainly eats in that discussion now.
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But he just one u five rings and you say I don't care if you go 80 to know you out.
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You're, like, clearly crossed.
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Thought he was the man.
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He was the brains behind the operation.
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That's that's what That's part of my problem with this because I was going back and forth with a bunch of people online today.
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Um, for your listeners that don't know I am.
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Scottie Pippen was my favorite player of all time growing up.
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So, you know, I took it.
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I took it a little person, man, that went at it a little bit.
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It's last night, cause that knows that so that you don't take a giant would be It was gonna get you black, you know, like you say Alex who? First of all, let's go back, right? Not on Lee.
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He ended that last championship run that one before that season.
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He ended that by saying, you know, basically, because it was already Michael and it was getting questions in the press conference after the game.
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You are? What you gonna be at? What's going on? Right.
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So it was already in the atmosphere that that that might be the last one.
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Right? Then it was.
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Then it's known that you would feel don't really rock with each other, right? Rise those steps and you saw it.
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You saw I feel back to a one year or what? I would give him a one year extension.
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And you tell Phil that that's gonna be it right now. Only the heat's out.
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Phil.
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He was gonna be that was it filled and leaked out to the media.
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Right? So I mean, Kraus gonna interview after that, saying, you know, this is gonna be it.
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Yep.
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Hey, was off the chain, which is so that that already set a certain type of move within that well over that organization from a player's standpoint that put them all on edge, which pimping said.
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You come out and say Filling Gonna be here.
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So put me in a mindset like going into the season that this is it.
00:16:05
You mean? And I knew the run was coming to in that right Then we in the summer of that coming off a championship where I gave you my left ankle, right? I played her clearly that needed some type of surgery.
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Now, if you'll remember, people won't think I'm crazy because I just said I'm Scottie Pippen fan, but no bias at all.
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If you remember, you know Pippen really deserved that. Finals.
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M v p.
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That George.
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That's the gear that Jordan set it on the microphone when they announced him as a finals.
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M v p, he said no, This is Scott.
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He was I'll keep the trophy.
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Scotty gets the truck with the car.
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So Scottie bought out that finals hurt, right? That was that was verse Utah.
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Get the first time the first time when they occur, hits the shot.
00:16:59
Yeah, that's a point.
00:17:01
Well, Scotty, the play, I think they show the clip last night with Scotty Kind of Dover Thio.
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So? So he bought out right now, you go into that off season.
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You hear your name and trade talks already? Because if you remember, when they came back the first game of the year at the rain ceremony studies, studies.
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Ah, speech where he got emotional.
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If this is gonna be the last time I say good bye, I want to say thank you.
00:17:32
So it was already before the season started that Yo, this man is on the block, right? Right? Right now, I'm not saying he didn't get email, because of course he got he didn't get any more in the situation.
00:17:43
Well, people have placed in this and saying that he was mad about his contract.
00:17:47
I think its started with all the trade rumors.
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Okay, listen, you know, I don't even want me here after all of this.
00:17:52
That went down. Now, of course.
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Will you ****ed off Every little thing is gonna add to that pie.
00:17:57
And so now you admit that you had the contract where I'm the I'm getting less than Luc Longley on this team Now, course you have ****ed off, so I'm a customer out every time I see you know me.
00:18:09
But I think it was deeper than just that contract, which everybody is focusing on the contract.
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But it went before that, like my name is in trade rumors and we just want a chip.
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So yeah, I mean it.
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I think that look, I think Ryan's Dorf did a did a bad job hiring cross in the first place.
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He was warned, and cross did exactly what he was warned that he would do.
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I think Cross got too big for his britches and thought, I can't go at Michael, So I'm gonna go out everybody else and he alienated everybody else.
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Cross is not alive today to say, Is any of this true? You know, it's It's It's tough to go at somebody when they can't defend their name, at least in these first couple episodes he's made out to be, You know, the bad guy.
00:18:57
Um, but an Episode two.
00:19:00
We get into Scotty's contract and, you know, whatever, whatever you think of Scotty's duly signed Ah ah, seven year, $18 million deal.
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So for context today, Lou.
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Well, Dang had $18 million per season deal with the Lakers a few years ago.
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I mean, like, you know, Scotty from Arkansas, humble upbringing.
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Like a lot of NBA players, I completely understand why he signed a deal that he signed.
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So the deal itself is is, you know, I don't have a lot of issues with the deal itself, except for at some point, you have to make it right as an organization because he was clearly your number two best player.
00:19:43
And so Toa have Scotty Pippen on your team.
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Who was runner up for M V P.
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I think in 95 1 of the best defensive players in the league, top 50 player of all time.
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And he was your six highest paid player in 1997 98.
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I mean, like, that's laughable at this point.
00:20:02
So what do you all thoughts on his contract and how the episode plays that out? Can I start? Michael? Ah, a couple things.
00:20:12
A couple things that Pippen doing.
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Some, like you said they were put in contact.
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Michael Jordan also signed a deal similar to that.
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I think it wa ce eight years, 60 million or something like that.
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The Dingle is at that time.
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There was a lot of these contracts out there, and people want eveyone to risk it.
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Or do you want your or the years Pippen decided to take the years.
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His agent, Jimmy ***ton, was a really big football agent now and Jerry Reinsdorf our own record saying, No, don't take the deal.
00:20:45
Don't take this.
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The India is about to explode.
00:20:48
We got the TV money coming in.
00:20:50
That cap is going to explode.
00:20:51
Pittman wanted the comfort of the years.
00:20:57
You know, at some point the whole whining about the contract by Pippen.
00:21:03
Little major turnoff.
00:21:05
I said He's a great player.
00:21:07
Extremely great.
00:21:08
Claire Top 50.
00:21:10
But there's a couple instances we're tipping has shown his true colors I e.
00:21:14
The last second jump shot with CU coaches and tipping the size.
00:21:18
I don't want to go in the game.
00:21:20
Something about him.
00:21:22
It just rubs.
00:21:24
It doesn't run a little bit.
00:21:25
Great guy.
00:21:26
Nice player.
00:21:27
But the lining about the contract? No sitting out in the biggest game of the year because Tony Cu coach gets the final play and you don't get it.
00:21:36
And you just to finally say f you.
00:21:38
I'm not going in the game.
00:21:39
Those are major character flaws and we're not even gonna go to his personal life with his wife in the inner and the rapper future and her four time cheating self.
00:21:48
And he's taking her back.
00:21:50
I'm just saying the guy's not I'm not a big fan of the guy.
00:21:53
Nice player, though.
00:21:58
Well, I guess I'm gonna be on his Christmas list.
00:22:04
First of all, listen, he explained why he took the contract right and find you.
00:22:10
You took it.
00:22:11
You sign it, live with it.
00:22:13
You're like, this is labor contracts.
00:22:15
We have contracts in law because it's binding.
00:22:20
You know what I'm saying? And football the Mark Jackson, you're gonna I know you're probably gonna go to the angle.
00:22:25
He outplayed this contract.
00:22:26
Yes, he did.
00:22:27
Lamar Jackson is on his third or second year of his rookie contract.
00:22:31
He's the NFL MVP.
00:22:33
He's clearly outplayed his contract.
00:22:36
So So what should he do? So he just be like, yo on that? Because I signed the contract at the rookie.
00:22:42
What are you going to do? But NFL players restructure their deals all the time to help the team MBA.
00:22:48
You can't restructure your deal.
00:22:49
I don't I don't think you could in 95 you know, back then? I don't know, but I know it now. You can't.
00:22:54
But he can't be your six highest paid player, man.
00:22:57
I mean, come on.
00:22:58
He says that's a bad look.
00:23:00
Absolutely.
00:23:01
Makes no sense at all.
00:23:04
Now, first of all, I'm not buying that rise door.
00:23:06
Told him not to sign that deal.
00:23:08
I'm not buying that.
00:23:09
I am not buying that.
00:23:10
And first of all, Jimmy ***ton should have kept his mouth shut.
00:23:14
Because if you're a true agent, that you're not going to let me stay If you feel a little bit won't an agent as a lawyer, I pay you.
00:23:24
You work for me, right? So you could give me your I'm also paying you to guide me in the right direction, I'm told.
00:23:32
You know, Freddy, you said forgive you, but I don't know.
00:23:35
I don't know if I believe I don't know if I believe that that person that put that tweet out that you're talking about is going to know who that is.
00:23:43
It wasn't Jimmy ***ton that said it himself.
00:23:45
So I don't if you're if I'm paying you to be my agent and I'm about to put myself into a totally into a ****ty situation.
00:23:57
Skiing my French? I don't know. I don't know.
00:23:59
We could curse on Lake Central.
00:24:00
You good.
00:24:02
Okay. Okay. Uh uh.
00:24:05
But, you know, I'm paying you to guide me in the right direction.
00:24:10
With that.
00:24:11
I do not believe that Ryan's door.
00:24:12
I told him not to sign.
00:24:13
That didn't either.
00:24:15
You don't mean because that's the name of the game.
00:24:19
Like they want to get the best players they can in the best price that they possibly could.
00:24:24
I feel like now again.
00:24:27
Pippen never.
00:24:29
He never held out.
00:24:30
He never asked to be traded until the initial trade rumors came out from the team.
00:24:37
He never asked to be traded or anything.
00:24:39
So in in that clip in the episode about pipping, he didn't ***** about me.
00:24:44
You say why he wasn't whining about no contract? They asked him about the contract.
00:24:48
He said, My time will come.
00:24:51
E came.
00:24:53
So I networked with Houston.
00:24:56
He didn't get big. Might take out to Houston.
00:24:58
So eat like the whole concept that he was whining the whole narrative, that he was whining about his contract.
00:25:05
That's not true.
00:25:06
Now I do think it eventually got to that point after he acted like I just explained that all of this other **** you don't even want me here, so yeah, I'm putting all of this a one part now my contractor should be.
00:25:17
I'm getting less than Luc Longley.
00:25:19
Yeah, I'm making on Lee.
00:25:21
Two million more than ****ing rusty LaRue.
00:25:23
More on this list is this list is crazy, Cowboy.
00:25:27
Joe Klein.
00:25:28
I'm getting to mid morning, Joe Car I more than three joke.
00:25:32
You leave him alone, though.
00:25:35
And it's like and then a lot of people don't Also that no one spoke about either, is Robyn was the one holding out for a contract that year.
00:25:44
Piven didn't hold out nothing.
00:25:46
It was it was robbing.
00:25:47
Who did the holding on.
00:25:48
And that's what I mean to get get your money.
00:25:51
But to say that she cannot outperform a contract, it is told no every woman outperform their contract, But it's a contract.
00:26:01
You signed it.
00:26:03
Okay, but this just like just like Alex and how to cut you off in the NFL players, NFL players are always structure in a bills right now is they're not guaranteed, though not nine times out of 10.
00:26:18
They're asking that player who has not outperformed his deal well, might not be living up to his deal toe to restructure or I'm not your Ascot.
00:26:28
So if you if ownership and that right can take every player or ask the player to do that that way and a lot of times you will see um, okay, he up won't perform this contract.
00:26:40
Who just got, well, just got paid in the NFL that from based off, I'll perform the culture anyway.
00:26:47
You'll see time to time.
00:26:48
Kristina Triska. Carefree.
00:26:50
You know what? He's outperforming that contract.
00:26:52
Yeah, that's right.
00:26:53
That should, uh and let's get this.
00:26:55
Let's get this boy paid, right.
00:26:57
I could have done that with Pippen.
00:26:59
They could have done that.
00:27:00
What? Are you sure they could have just whipped up a contract guaranteeing wth the issue is if I think it cross never says he's gonna trade him.
00:27:09
I don't think you have any of these issues cross going at it, cross telling Phil I don't care what you win. You're gone.
00:27:17
And then starting to trade Pippen publicly, that caused all of this and And look, man, I know that the core of that team was 30 plus years old, but Michael was still playing at a high level.
00:27:28
Clearly, he's still in his prime.
00:27:30
Scotty, look, we're Laker fans die you, Scotty, three years later went to Portland and they took us to Game seven.
00:27:38
Clearly had something in the tank, that Bulls team.
00:27:41
I think that the lockout season, I think, played in their favor.
00:27:45
It's shortened season.
00:27:46
They would have rested up.
00:27:48
There was no reason to break that team up right then and there, and they broke it up.
00:27:53
Over what? Because they won 13 games the next season in 99 17 the following season, 15 2 year after that.
00:28:01
I think I posted this on Twitter.
00:28:02
They didn't want 62 games in 97 98.
00:28:05
They didn't win 62 again into 2010 like what was the purpose and blowing that team up? What was the real reason? Well, that's the thing, because I was looking at some live on some stats to, um, about the attendance, because usually that goes down on a championship team, get disbanded like the Bulls did.
00:28:23
The Bulls actually are in the top four teams in the last 15 years and attendance going? Yeah, even with the terrible Some of the Eddy Curry you What happened with the Bulls, though? Couple our picks and and really, Elton Brand, did you pan out? He might be that he was an off our wedding a couple times.
00:28:43
I believe with the Clippers.
00:28:45
We've been traded him to the Clippers.
00:28:47
For what? I got the number one of number four pig And what a great then they Dr Tyson Chandler.
00:28:53
And yet it's so a lot of their picks them and pan out.
00:28:56
But I guess you know, was rise to of hurting for money around 98.
00:29:01
Now he couldn't have been right.
00:29:02
So now I don't think I like you said broke.
00:29:06
It just might been ego.
00:29:08
It's straight up, like, Listen, I think part of it.
00:29:11
I think it was a lot of ego based off, um, offer crowds, you know, like I think now it's turned into a bashing across, but I think I think he was good at his job.
00:29:24
Sure you did.
00:29:26
The results say that, right? But he loves I'm sorry to cut, but drafting uh, Pippen at the n a a right Central Arkansas, then drafted the horse Grant finding people like Oakley like he me, he did a good job.
00:29:43
He just Maybe this is.
00:29:47
I mean, this is clearly Karl Fright E.
00:29:51
That was definitely that's definitely shot from the jury.
00:29:57
You know, he did well at his job.
00:29:59
He disorders and good on the person that the personal side person, because he wasn't good there.
00:30:05
And that's a part of that's That's a part of that job right now.
00:30:09
Everybody knows it's a business at the end of the day, Um, but I think part of his thing I think he wanted to be in the limelight just as much as got to get a complex man.
00:30:22
Okay, he hadn't complex.
00:30:24
And it was, I mean, how many how many flubs that he had within the media, just like he blamed.
00:30:30
Just like he blamed the writer of that article when he said, Organization wins championships, not players.
00:30:36
He was any character.
00:30:37
And to meet you Yeah, he was.
00:30:39
But when I was in the media so much e.
00:30:43
I mean, this isn't right now when they act like now g m's air kind of expected to be back then. That wasn't the case.
00:30:49
So what was he doing in front of the camera all the time? Hey, wanted to be there.
00:30:54
Jerry West wasn't in front of the camera in the nineties when he ran the Lakers.
00:30:59
So it's strange, man, like the job people, the do***entary when he invited everybody.
00:31:06
Like, even, like, yeah, everybody to his daughter's wedding, but feel like even like the low ranking bulls, the Bulls official is here like Rhimes don't like that.
00:31:17
Probably wasn't a good idea.
00:31:18
Hey, only did he do that, then he had rights of the so called coach of waiting people.
00:31:26
Will.
00:31:27
What, you going fishing or golfing with them? Denial code? Yeah, temporarily like bro.
00:31:32
Hey, Uh, yeah, like it was one guy was going back and forth for today and he talking about it was selfish and order that from Pippen and things like that I might go.
00:31:44
So was it was Krause selfish shadow.
00:31:48
You play a part in that O g m e C G m's are supposed to minor tricks that, um salary caps, blah blah, blah, blah.
00:31:57
Yeah, that's true.
00:31:59
But what GM puts these things are publicly during the season or following a championship.
00:32:06
He attacked the personal side of doing the business.
00:32:09
Yeah, you know.
00:32:10
But he made some really good pics.
00:32:13
And any time you win six championships, it's not just good players, because every team's got good players.
00:32:19
You met me like it takes a certain amount of off, and he did that.
00:32:23
But on another note, um, are we all gonna just gloss over the fact that Michael Jordan partied in the eighties with a lot of cocaine and weed? I didn't.
00:32:35
But I thought that was known.
00:32:36
The NBA had a drug problem in the 70 60 seventies and eighties.
00:32:40
I thought everybody knew that.
00:32:42
Well, I mean, maybe some kids out there who asked, You think the NBA is like, brand new? I could just started with.
00:32:48
I mean, they were doing I mean, you know, I've read books about them being they were doing lines of Coke at halftime, but that Major League baseball had the same might still have that same problem.
00:32:59
Yeah, they do a lot of questions.
00:33:00
The uppers.
00:33:01
If it makes you see the ball better, they say, who knows? I mean, like, the question is Do you believe? Like you believe Michael Trip went in that room and turned around? That's the question.
00:33:13
Uh, you know what Republicans do.
00:33:17
Coke, too.
00:33:20
You know what? You know what, Mike? Rookie rookie year Mike.
00:33:26
I think he turned around.
00:33:27
He's been naive.
00:33:28
Yeah, he probably was not my cause.
00:33:31
I think rookie Mike was so hungry to try to be the best to be united me.
00:33:38
And I think rookie Might might have turned around now, after after the success popped off and he he started to become a stock, he was in ever a quick question to, um Why wasn't I needed Jordan in any of the clips at all? Would mean, look, she got her 90 million.
00:34:02
Is any reason for her to be involved in the clips? I mean, but 1998 97.
00:34:06
They were still married, right? And had a small family flake workman.
00:34:09
They got his mama who looks **** good.
00:34:11
I tell you that mama **** did to be lying on crack.
00:34:15
She looks amazing because he looked really good to be I don't know how she is.
00:34:20
I mean, she actually is better.
00:34:21
And Mike Yeah, I think So let's not with his eyes.
00:34:26
The ****'s like permanently red.
00:34:29
He might have a condition.
00:34:31
I think we'll take a note just given too much.
00:34:36
This is a kid headed by cast e big.
00:34:40
I think they've minus 76.
00:34:44
She even 3 76 and 78.
00:34:47
We looked it up.
00:34:48
We looked it up last night.
00:34:49
I said, She looks up.
00:34:51
May she looks amazing.
00:34:53
Yes, she does.
00:34:54
It's interesting names, but I don't know, man is you know, I didn't go in my No, I I thought they were going to specifically focus on the last season.
00:35:08
I didn't think they was gonna really go back.
00:35:10
Yeah, yeah, kind of like show what was leading up to all of this kind of stuff.
00:35:14
It's cool.
00:35:15
It's cool doing it because they will jump back to a particular year or whatever.
00:35:21
You didn't jump right drive back to the Karen Bowman and that for the moment at that time.
00:35:27
So I think that's dope party.
00:35:29
It's very, very well put together.
00:35:31
I think it's super dope.
00:35:33
Don't I am, man, that it's so funny hearing about, you know, minute restrictions now.
00:35:40
But then Jordan was on one in 85.
00:35:43
That's crazy, right? That's 40 minutes.
00:35:46
And they were, like, at every 14 minutes, he out with the fact he was the fact that he was down in North Carolina playing on a broken foot.
00:35:53
Nobody moved out it.
00:35:54
Could you imagine today, like he would.
00:35:58
Yo.
00:35:59
Remember when when rod monuments broke his leg or something? Snowboarding.
00:36:03
Okay.
00:36:04
He lied to them and said he felt like playing ball, son, because they want your contract, right? Right.
00:36:11
I mean, they wouldn't go forward mites, but, you know, I don't know, man, like, thinking about it.
00:36:17
Like Michael Jordan is an owner now.
00:36:19
Right in this to say, I actually think the Bulls were stupid for letting him play in 86.
00:36:27
That playoff run when you guys think you mean get anything, he didn't get hurt, but they could have gotten him that 86 draft had Brad Darty and had a Ron Harper had a couple of white legitimate.
00:36:39
If the Bulls would have got brand Artie in that Bill Cartwright.
00:36:44
I mean, you're talking they could with what they've gotten, Scotty.
00:36:46
And what, 87? Maybe not.
00:36:50
I don't know.
00:36:51
Yeah, I don't.
00:36:52
I don't know.
00:36:53
But I remind you, I want to bring that.
00:36:55
I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to that.
00:36:56
But real quick.
00:36:57
Mind you they didn't They didn't technically draft Scotty.
00:37:00
No. They traded for him. That's right.
00:37:02
Track they traded for.
00:37:03
But and I give cross all the credit for that, because who the hell high? I mean, water took him fit.
00:37:10
Right? So you gotta You gotta And whoever was over there had some inkling on them, too, but for Krauss and ran rised off to say we gotta move up to get this dude, They gotta give him credit there.
00:37:23
You gotta have vision.
00:37:24
And this was remember this in 1987.
00:37:26
It was no YouTube.
00:37:27
There was no twitter.
00:37:28
How do I know about a player from in? I double a central Arkansas when you walk on? Yeah.
00:37:34
Yeah, it's the Waterboy.
00:37:38
Yeah, he was a war clue.
00:37:39
So, in a sense that, uh, Bulls had three in the eight players in there.
00:37:46
Pippen, Ronnie in.
00:37:49
Oh, right, OK, yeah.
00:37:53
But here's my question.
00:37:54
Usually, when you draft a guy, you're that or were you trade forgot that you really love like that? That's your guy.
00:38:00
So that was that was crosses God he found Why would you still want to trade him? GM? Julie, hold on with that. Their guy.
00:38:07
And that's an excellent point, cause that was his guy.
00:38:11
Sure it didn't draft Jordan and he moved.
00:38:15
He made that move to get Pip it.
00:38:18
That was his move.
00:38:19
That was his probably his biggest move of his career.
00:38:22
Yet you dangle him like you say, You know, it was like it was really like he was toying with him, right? You're nothing with him. Totally.
00:38:32
Yeah.
00:38:33
I mean, he laughing like, Yeah, I mean, we got some really good even after rise, though, have clipped it and say, I don't want to trade.
00:38:39
He still got up there and said, Oh, yeah, we have what we thought with some really good offers for Scott.
00:38:46
You don't mean like it's like it's like you don't know.
00:38:51
I'm trying to think of another GM that we've seen do something like that.
00:38:54
Jerry, Uh, what do you do? Well, when did Jerry do it? At a time? Hey, did he do it at the time when he had success? Well, memory image, Smith.
00:39:07
While I mean he remember in the 1st 2 games in 93? Didn't you know the game is a lot of eagles involved.
00:39:15
Clearly, it's just salami.
00:39:18
Eagles, man.
00:39:19
And No one's Eagle was bigger than Michael Jordan's.
00:39:21
To be honest with you, that kind of madman this has shown me he is a maniac.
00:39:27
Yeah, but and and then to go back to what you said about 86 easy before the plate when he came back off injury, which I probably wouldn't have let him play told.
00:39:39
But if you're going to let him play on any minute restriction, then you gotta let him play even make the playoffs.
00:39:45
Yes, I clipped it when he said, You know, you got a 10% chance of not ever playing again.
00:39:52
You got it, you got set up now.
00:39:55
No one's also talking about crossing that moment where clearly, they were trying to tank.
00:40:00
Now here's that Here's bites.
00:40:02
Heat 86 taking what's going on back yet.
00:40:05
Yeah, that's a great point.
00:40:07
It's always it's it's tanking is one of the smartest ways, too.
00:40:15
It's just this brilliant way, and it really is a brilliant way to get better they're not gonna get better Winning 35 40 games.
00:40:22
It's just not either suck or be good.
00:40:28
I mean, I don't know a clearly he was upset.
00:40:32
Now.
00:40:33
Hey, didn't he got his wish right? He told the coach, Do not play if you play him a second over 14 minutes of mine, she didn't play it.
00:40:43
**** job asked.
00:40:44
Esther gave when the shots.
00:40:46
So can you added with at press box? Well, where in the game? With that look like when faxes hit that shot, she locked him out.
00:40:54
The locker room cross Could be the lock crashed off the locker room.
00:41:01
But it is.
00:41:02
But I think it is.
00:41:04
What do you think is going to reveal going forward like, Is there something you're like? Is there something you're looking for? That they got to get into the Rodman? I mean, they're gonna obviously doing a popular Rodman.
00:41:15
Yeah, the thing is, there's a There's a there's a Rodman will not rob her.
00:41:21
But ah, John Salley did an interview on deejay Vlad, and he does a story on Dennis Rodman about Rodman used to run around with, You know, his crew was a very, uh, eclectic crew.
00:41:35
And ah Rodman said that that that John Salley said that Rodman used to go to his club out in Chicago called Like Warhammer or like some well club, right and he say, Used to run around with this.
00:41:51
Ah, with this this woman that looks like Marilyn Monroe.
00:41:56
So John Salley was like, Where we got the dinner.
00:42:00
It's me, Dennis Rodman.
00:42:02
This this woman. It looks like Marilyn Monroe.
00:42:04
Jerry Springer.
00:42:05
He was like, I wanted to meet Jerry Springer.
00:42:08
So yes, I'm talking to Jerry said other athletes dudes coming up to Dennis tryingto get with this.
00:42:13
This woman he was like She's turning do is down left and right.
00:42:18
He was like Rod Broadman said, You know, if you want to get what a good school when he was like Nah, nah, she's not really my speed.
00:42:25
And he said, Dennis looks at him and Dennis looked stares at him in his eyes, and he's like, Yeah, I guess you know, right? Sally was like it was a dude.
00:42:36
I mean, he said nobody knew.
00:42:39
Like he said, you couldn't tell at all, but it was Athlete seems like Michael name names, but it was athletes trying to get Take this.
00:42:48
This due home a wild man.
00:42:52
****ing Robin Robin is distance.
00:42:55
And then this Bulls team had it all like they literally had it all.
00:42:58
It was just it was traveling circus like teams today.
00:43:02
Augustine, Miami.
00:43:04
He of LeBron era was pretty popular, you know? Like they were big, big deal.
00:43:10
Um, but the House Bulls team had it all I had to know.
00:43:15
I think I am looking forward to the raiment episode.
00:43:17
I didn't want to see what comes out of that cause I've heard different things.
00:43:22
Our interview with him, even this saying that like him and him, Pippen and Jordan like, didn't talk.
00:43:30
He said they talked on the court.
00:43:32
Yeah, birds, they talking practice, you know, they didn't talk in away from anything.
00:43:38
They didn't hang out that he said, you know, we eat.
00:43:41
I think it was Africa.
00:43:42
Who, where he was.
00:43:44
And what was this interview Anyway? I've been robbed and said that they may have talked a handful of times, like off the court years.
00:43:54
So I am interested in seeing how the dynamic and how that worked.
00:43:58
And I do want to see how far or how ugly the dynamic between the front office and the players got.
00:44:06
I would see how ugly that and then how they were able to still spin that into a chip.
00:44:14
You know what I mean? Like it's has, little man.
00:44:16
It's got to be filled like, No, we're not doing it the best.
00:44:19
But Phil has away.
00:44:21
And think about what? The Lakers you've got Shaq and Kobe.
00:44:23
You got these massive egos.
00:44:26
You got these great, great talents and everyone's on the same page.
00:44:31
Toe win.
00:44:32
I don't know how Phil, doesn't I Really I mean, it's insane is the way he gets people to believe in the system and to be ready to perform.
00:44:42
Actually, Phil, Phil was holding back in those first episodes.
00:44:45
Yeah, Phil could say a whole lot more.
00:44:48
It felt like he was just kind of being diplomatic in his old age.
00:44:53
I I got that, too, from I got that, too, from Phil Now I think he was I think, some things he was like, letting it out.
00:45:00
Like like he told Scotty, like, Yo, you got a chip but stored a conversation with a little more and that or a little got a little more heated to him saying, Scotty, you got a chip.
00:45:12
What's funny is when they were telling Phil was telling a story about Scotty being on the back of the bus and yellin at Jerry Cross.
00:45:20
It reminded me of a situation that I was in.
00:45:24
The **** goes down in the back of bus Don't like It's so funny, like I can't like Scott isn't an ethnic Bill Wennington was just telling the story to do.
00:45:35
Like Scott, they must have been throwing haymakers.
00:45:38
Jake Carlson.
00:45:40
You know, they say, I think it was Joe Carter.
00:45:42
He was like, I remember him.
00:45:44
There's something coming from back in the bus like, Why would the GM, even beyond my eye back in the day must have been just different.
00:45:53
You know, he wanted Herbie.
00:45:55
He wanted to be.
00:45:56
And you would be a celebrity.
00:45:58
Get Jordan realized that because how many times in well, Jordan picked with him? How many times did he say Hey, you walk? I'm I'll shoot layups with us.
00:46:07
You won't come out of you this and that with it.
00:46:09
You want drip, you go dribble.
00:46:10
Jerry, like how many times did he mention a basketball reference when it came to throwing the shot across? Because I think Jordan knew.
00:46:18
Now, mind you.
00:46:21
What? What I thought was interesting.
00:46:23
I want to see which our bodies on this.
00:46:26
You know, that Jordan, the Jordan and Jenny crowd beef started in that 86 season.
00:46:32
Right? Okay.
00:46:34
Where when they started that minute restriction and all of that, and then joining realize they was trying to tank for better pick, right.
00:46:40
That's when this score between Jordan and in the front office where he started at that point, right? So what I found interesting is how they kept it together, all of it, or didn't lose Jordan.
00:46:55
You know what I'm saying? I don't know.
00:46:57
Jordan said at one time later in the years he thought about signing with Nick's or something like that.
00:47:02
But that was like years later.
00:47:04
So how? It's just interesting.
00:47:08
Like you got your best player that's upset already with the front office in his second year in the league, right? Like how did he How did they just keep their **** together? Was a him mentally just able to blackout seed? Or did he know at early I made this my team.
00:47:24
So I'm going no ****ing way or whatever the case may be typically.
00:47:27
Were you upset a young player that soon? They want to get anyone about now.
00:47:31
That book, Yes, but you're talking about a Remember, that was 30 some odd years ago that the players today the player empowerment movement that we have now It wasn't like that back then that they were still I'm not going to say they were.
00:47:45
The team ran the dynamics, and today the players have power, which is much different now.
00:47:52
If Jordan had the power like you did today, he probably would be good.
00:47:56
But I wonder if Jordan the way he talks in this do***entary, it's almost as if he still believes the players are the most important part of our franchise.
00:48:05
But I wonder if he really believes that.
00:48:07
Yeah, he probably believes it, but he probably has so many years of the front office dictating that it's almost like he believes it.
00:48:17
But he doesn't believe, you know, I'm saying, like, it was just weird, man. The eighties.
00:48:21
And it wasn't that long ago when you think about it, but it just seemed like it was, ah, different century of basketball.
00:48:28
Do you think that they do You think they win eight or they Do you think that they be, Ah, the Rockets, those two years? It's hard for me to bet against Jordan.
00:48:40
Um, I do think the way to be ah, perimeter oriented team which the bulls were this big brother prevented.
00:48:47
Oriented toward extent.
00:48:49
A big man in the big man like I came could neutralize all the other ****.
00:48:55
Um, I don't know.
00:48:58
Now listen, there would be wrong the next.
00:49:04
The next took took the Rocket.
00:49:05
Seven games that one year, right.
00:49:07
94 95.
00:49:08
I feel I feel like the Bulls win against good, big men, though.
00:49:14
Not like that.
00:49:15
Okay.
00:49:16
And initiatives to Mr That's move forward.
00:49:17
Do you think the Bulls, in their heyday, let's say 96 97 whatever could beat the Lakers 2000 Shaq and Kobe here? Yes, I don't think the Bulls could beat them.
00:49:31
I think the Bulls, at their heyday, could beat the Lakers at their heyday.
00:49:35
Are we talking about? So we're taking the best bull team of that run.
00:49:40
Take the 72 in 17 96 72 teams in the playoffs.
00:49:49
The 15 and one Lakers are the tooth.
00:49:52
The second championship team.
00:49:54
Oh, I'm sorry, right along gig.
00:49:56
So you give me the old one. Laker tease that.
00:49:58
So let me have still Prime Shack there. He likes Shack.
00:50:02
Says who Who's going to stop him? Is the question.
00:50:04
That's that's request Toby.
00:50:06
They're going a giggle of dude, anything.
00:50:08
They won't drop their 30 Whatever, whatever.
00:50:10
The phantom actor throw it in the shack, and he gave me 37 25 20 in New July.
00:50:16
It makes every player around me that much better.
00:50:19
It makes Derek Fisher better.
00:50:20
It makes Brian Shaw better.
00:50:21
Makes Orry better.
00:50:22
Ricky Fox.
00:50:24
I think that 72 10 team was even though we've seen Go to stay.
00:50:30
Go what, 73 I.
00:50:34
I don't need that ****.
00:50:35
Doesn't even assignment on my radar, but he lost.
00:50:38
That's that's what I mean.
00:50:39
I mean, even if they even if they would have won the chip that year, it's not.
00:50:44
It's not even know more because that team, I mean, they were a good team, But that's 70.
00:50:48
Duke 72 10 Bulls team.
00:50:51
Like those mother****ers would they had you beat when they walked into jimmia like that was the greatest season basketball I've ever seen? Sure.
00:51:02
I mean, like, you know, like they were on.
00:51:04
Like, I've never seen a team clicking like that.
00:51:07
I agree.
00:51:08
And they would defensively sick, right and defensively, they lack show as down.
00:51:13
They did whatever they wanted to do.
00:51:14
I just Now don't get me wrong.
00:51:16
It's gonna be about it Wouldn't be no sweet or knows it's going seven games down to the last 30 seconds.
00:51:23
If those two those two teams collapse, I may give the shirt ej two balls.
00:51:30
I I'm not betting against Mike, so yeah, ultimately.
00:51:34
But I just think that at this thing, you gotta have a big man to even neutralize.
00:51:39
Sort of what Mike does even on the event, because their perimeter defense with Pippen and Jordan, you couldn't get **** by, You know, I'm saying, like, the only thing where Houston is they didn't do it when Mike was actually in league, right? They waited till he was kind of out, you know, we took took a hiatus even back 96th And what he didn't play a full season, right? He only played.
00:52:04
He was back a four year.
00:52:06
No, he was.
00:52:07
It was about the 30 games in.
00:52:09
It was a 45 money rock to 45 right e.
00:52:13
I mean, and the foot did y'all see when they said I think Chicago said they had the number one pick did what it took Akeem and and that's That's a smoke that that's still the sound smart, Uh, move.
00:52:25
Would you say Yeah, that time? I mean, it's easy for people to say what that stupid, but no, at that time, if you if you even if you said that now they take a keen and still get two rings, that's I mean, just I will live with that somewhere.
00:52:39
You still you said, and you're even day before and which was Jordan's long time agent and everybody else that's open, he said.
00:52:50
Nobody, not one person I want expert.
00:52:54
Not one person knew Jordan was gonna be who he turned out to be.
00:52:58
A 1000%.
00:52:59
I thought this all times that he was a really good college player.
00:53:03
But should he said, Len Bias was Justus good the thing is how, like James Worthy said Mike got the u. N.
00:53:11
C.
00:53:12
And I knew he was better than me a week later.
00:53:13
So I didn't anybody know.
00:53:14
He was gonna be good to be that if you knew how it But remember, this is still a big raise.
00:53:20
Leaving it was a big man league.
00:53:23
But like, if a weekend to a James Worthy is saying, I can't keep up with this dude and days worthy.
00:53:28
Was James worthy? Yeah.
00:53:31
I mean, because at that time, chop wood What Big, smooth Sam Perkins lonely on Sam Perkins.
00:53:38
We had, uh, James Worthy.
00:53:41
Thank you. Say were snack.
00:53:43
He was Jordan.
00:53:44
Just man.
00:53:45
That ****er just took off college was almost like, uh oh.
00:53:51
He learned fundamentals, but it kind of hindered him.
00:53:54
In a way, Yeah.
00:53:56
I mean, I think they knew he would be good, right? We got picked with third earlier, I think.
00:54:04
I think you know, you go anywhere in the top 35 You know, people expect you to be good, but I don't think they thought he no one thought he was gonna be greatest of all time.
00:54:18
You know what? No one thought he would be anywhere cools today.
00:54:21
And I think you know what the Jordan and now keep in mind is just for comparison.
00:54:29
But it's not on the same level quite.
00:54:32
But it kind of reminds me of like to me, right? I didn't think on the lower level.
00:54:40
I didn't think Vince Carter was gonna be as good as he was when he came into the NBA. Yes.
00:54:47
Yeah.
00:54:48
I thought Vince was just gonna be somebody that could get out of the gym.
00:54:51
And, you know, the havoc you a few flashy dunks or whatever, and that's gonna keep him around for a while.
00:54:58
But Vince actually was like a complete player when he got there.
00:55:02
Sure, sure, I can see that.
00:55:05
We're Jordan too, Like they thought Jordan with his super athletic, to jump out of the gym guy.
00:55:10
But remember, they didn't think he could shoot right? Right? And me And that was his not and, um, any kind of in his athletic ability.
00:55:19
Kind of like it put him on a different plane because it was nobody quite that athletic.
00:55:26
They had the skill set and, you know, the footwork and all of the things that Magic has said it in the dark to like he was able to have.
00:55:35
They been able to put him on a different on the different stratosphere when he got there.
00:55:39
Now, let me ask you, do you think he was more athletic than Dr J? Just athletic? Yes.
00:55:46
Yeah, he's much quicker.
00:55:48
I think Jordan was.
00:55:52
He can't.
00:55:53
He's got a burst, man.
00:55:55
Look at them skills he gets.
00:55:56
He darts in that lane and I'm starting to talk my group with.
00:56:00
But the thing that him and Dr J and even someone like Kobe, Dr J and Michael Jordan's hands are ****ing hear that massive where someone like Kobe doesn't his hand.
00:56:10
Yeah, that gives you such an advantage.
00:56:13
You can't throw the ball Pepsi do **** in the lane.
00:56:17
And even even though my so in a clip, you know, in the clips that they show going until that 97 98 season, even when they played overseas, even when he became a back to the basket Clear basket at that time, Clear, that's Ah, I mean, his burst like going to the lane when he would you know when he will be it's gonna break or whatever.
00:56:39
Like his burst to the basket was still like better than your average player.
00:56:45
So Albert is that quickness, man, and he was just insane, like he's just he's the most beautiful player to ever watch.
00:56:55
Just tow just a watch.
00:56:56
Like he's it, you know, and this whole LeBron.
00:57:01
I know we get this later, but the whole LeBron in Jake think it's not fair to LeBron, really.
00:57:08
I mean, I think I think you can appreciate more than one player.
00:57:12
It doesn't always have to be a This one's better than other.
00:57:15
I think that you can appreciate Magic and Bird and Egg, Man.
00:57:20
They're all great.
00:57:21
They all brought something different to the game at LeBron does as well, and so I think it's it's ridiculous that this back and forth battle all the time.
00:57:28
One thing I did want to mention that jumped out to me in the do***entary, I think is really funny.
00:57:33
That letter he wrote to his mom, and then he said, I only got $20 in my account.
00:57:37
Send someone needs some stamps and now he's a billionaire like that's crazy.
00:57:43
I mean, he asked about the John Motor.
00:57:45
He had other brother wasn't Ronnie.
00:57:48
Why did Jordan was the one that he used to play all the time? Jeffrey.
00:57:54
I mean, um, your business son Dan, What was the other brother he made to the lead? You know, admirable time.
00:58:04
That's the one who used to be the mother.
00:58:05
He's only like, 59 Get up.
00:58:08
It was like he was nasty to you.
00:58:12
Oh, man.
00:58:13
Okay, I can't think of his name, but I did not know that he had the other brother.
00:58:19
That was in the do***entary, Larry.
00:58:22
Very Jordan.
00:58:23
That was the one who used to be the most, uh, get married.
00:58:26
So that's that's what I was telling.
00:58:28
We admit she was watching it and they showed the other brother first.
00:58:31
And I'm like, I didn't I don't know about this dude, but I was waiting to see if they got Larry in.
00:58:36
But I wanted to see him because, you know, I remember story a story about them back in the day when they you know that I that I enjoyed and they talk about Larry be be enjoying that, like, badly.
00:58:51
Like he was nice.
00:58:52
You know what I mean, So I want to see I'm going to see him.
00:58:55
But I did not know that he had the other.
00:58:57
So apparently he has five siblings are right.
00:59:00
I know you know.
00:59:02
You got it. Yeah, and I've heard some.
00:59:04
Well, I'm not going to speculate on it.
00:59:05
I will do that.
00:59:07
What? Well, this was a book of Red.
00:59:09
I want to say it was by rolling Lassen bury you, hasn't he? And he said that there was rumors that Jordan's dad was messing with sister program way.
00:59:26
Don't speculate on Lakers, but it was really It was just It was mean.
00:59:30
But it's impressed.
00:59:31
So but, you know, But, you know, you know nothing about that relationship.
00:59:35
That was I to me who's really should data hold your head Whole dance situation.
00:59:41
Mike, did you notice like the mom was referring to him as Mr Jocelyn Jordan? Yeah.
00:59:47
I don't want to speculate.
00:59:49
I leave that that three something something, though.
00:59:54
I mean, this is back in the day now, So the dagger, This has been a way they did it old school.
01:00:00
Yeah, yeah, but I thought that that kept sticking out to me like she will say, Mr Jordan, I'm like my dish say, Mr Jordan or there she said nickname.
01:00:11
Then they might have called the day the winner.
01:00:13
But I thought I thought that was interesting.
01:00:15
And I didn't know about the dad.
01:00:18
Apparently, they didn't have Michael in his day.
01:00:20
Kind of had a beef.
01:00:24
I don't want tea, but, you know, as a father, son, you just gonna growing up like Mike.
01:00:29
Mike wanted his attention, and he would tell Mike he wasn't ****.
01:00:32
You know that? I didn't know it.
01:00:34
I didn't know it was that that, but Well, this I mean, where else do you get the maniac in my He's a maniac.
01:00:40
Like this do***entary is going to show people.
01:00:44
This guy's is Darth Vader. He's sick.
01:00:48
Yeah.
01:00:49
So I bet his kids hate him too.
01:00:52
No offense. I'm just saying.
01:00:54
So where does a player like my a Kobe get that killer? Because the be that good, You gotta You gotta have a killer.
01:01:03
And you.
01:01:04
And that's what separated them too, from the rest.
01:01:07
Like, you know, they really were stone cold killers out there.
01:01:11
They wanted to be the best, and, you know, and they were very actually.
01:01:18
Everything about it is it was so similar because my said studio the day I walked into in a Chapel Hill, I looked for the best player I went after all.
01:01:28
Assumes I got to the bull that won't look for the best player I went out.
01:01:31
And that's some **** that Kobe did.
01:01:33
I actually think Jordan and Kobe are similar but different.
01:01:41
Kobe still likes people not like people, but he looks He looks to be, uh, to be well received by people and and to actually care about what people think about me is very sensitive.
01:01:57
Michael Jordan is a maniac.
01:02:00
Okay? He is not.
01:02:02
He doesn't care what you think about.
01:02:04
He's the Terminator, remember? They've been terminated. One.
01:02:07
He doesn't care.
01:02:08
He's gonna keep coming at you.
01:02:10
Hey, that got listen that he needs an e v is a psych test.
01:02:15
He's very good at sports, so he gets a pass.
01:02:17
He's a terrible owner, but oh, they're just different, man, I should.
01:02:24
Kobe is a nice guy.
01:02:26
He's sensitive, though.
01:02:28
Well, I think one of the things that separates them is that I think they both were killers on the court I, and I don't think that they're, I think in terms of that it's those two.
01:02:38
And then there's there's not any other player like that on the basketball court.
01:02:43
I think one of the things that separates them off the court is I don't think Mike wants to.
01:02:47
I don't think he cares about being liked.
01:02:48
I do addict with Kobe.
01:02:51
I think you saw once his career start the wind down those last three years or so and then in post retirement, you saw him playing around the younger generation, training them, giving back.
01:03:01
You never see Mike do anything like that.
01:03:03
You saw Kobe inviting these guys like Johannes and even quiet played for that.
01:03:07
You know, the Clippers bring them to the Mamba Sports Academy, a matter fact shadow to the mom or sports academy.
01:03:13
Um, they actually so Kobe selecting for Mama Sports Academy might be the new G League T world these new high school kids will play for, so hopefully that happens.
01:03:24
But Kobe's willingness to give back to the next generation is something that Mike has never been willing to do.
01:03:31
Like Mike, it's almost seems like Mike cut himself off from basketball, even though he's an MBA owner.
01:03:36
When Kobe embraced everybody, Kobe embraced LeBron.
01:03:40
I don't even think Michael embraces LeBron that I was gonna answer that.
01:03:45
What do you think is the economy of their relationship? I don't think they have one, I think.
01:03:52
I mean, look at Kobe's memorial.
01:03:53
Mike talked about how he had to warm up to Kobe.
01:03:57
You know, I'm saying, like I think Mike is Mike, man.
01:04:02
I mean, look, one thing is one thing is this.
01:04:04
Mike is what? Pushing 60 right? 55 at least meaning seven.
01:04:09
So there's a 30 year age gap between him and LeBron like.
01:04:12
True.
01:04:13
So there's there's already that name.
01:04:15
LeBron is like his kid's age, so there's that.
01:04:18
So I think it was easier for him to maybe gravitate towards Kobe because he literally met Kobe while they both were in the N B. A.
01:04:25
And and there's there are a number of similarities between the two, but LeBron, they're just There might not be those similarities.
01:04:32
They just may be too different.
01:04:34
I, 1000% agree, went out there just we're just different personalities and it's LeBron.
01:04:41
The bronze personality is probably way more like magic.
01:04:44
I know what people talk about.
01:04:45
LeBron on the court of personality wise is probably more like magic.
01:04:49
Matter of fact, this has nothing to the do***entary, but I wanted to tell you guys about this.
01:04:54
Magic said that when he first came into the N B A, um, Nike was an upstart company, and they didn't have the money to pay him.
01:05:01
So they offered him stock, and he didn't understand stock at the time.
01:05:06
So he took the cash that converts offered him.
01:05:08
He said he has no idea now how many billions of dollars that Nike stock would be worth, but and that's great, but that, you know, to relate that to the Scottie Pippen issue.
01:05:19
People don't understand.
01:05:20
You don't come from a lot.
01:05:21
Yeah, just gonna take what? What is offered to almost awaiting treat wrappers will give you an advance.
01:05:27
But you're gonna give us all your publisher.
01:05:29
So you know what you mean.
01:05:32
You talked about this earlier.
01:05:33
That was like, obviously the money was different.
01:05:37
But Carmelo get the same thing that Lebron was telling all those guys like go take the four years, take shorter deals, right? I'll take that fifth year, right? All of abuse, and it was the start of the player control.
01:05:53
I feel like that was the moment Bronner got got that started controlling that area right there.
01:05:59
That was the start of players being in control of their destinies at that time, and he told Mellow one of his best friends.
01:06:06
He told me I want to do it Mello said.
01:06:10
Not mellow.
01:06:11
Took the fifth year.
01:06:12
He wanted that extra guarantee.
01:06:13
Getting I was 25 million.
01:06:15
22 million, right? So it's a little different.
01:06:17
Of course, thing with Pippen was going, But you know Mello, who had family in the area, that we're in Baltimore, you know? I mean, like, I need to know.
01:06:28
I got that extra guarantee dough coming in. It's a good feeling.
01:06:32
And it's $2022 million store.
01:06:35
You got a bad move that he made.
01:06:37
And Pippen had 12 siblings.
01:06:40
Yeah, that was a brother that was paralyzed, like Okay, I know that I have seven years of 2.
01:06:49
5 $3 million coming to my coming into my pocket.
01:06:54
And you took the security.
01:06:56
So like, yeah, it was a bad.
01:06:58
I mean, in high school, I was a bad deal.
01:07:01
But when you come from bum crack Arkansas and no offense to anybody, that's listening from Arkansas.
01:07:07
But President Clinton, he's He's listening.
01:07:11
Hey, got that? Colleen got he didn't have Clinton money.
01:07:14
Hey, when he was coming from that rod of money Ellen for you, the first of all him to make it the route that he made it, it was It was so unexpected.
01:07:27
Want to the life, you know, go from the equipment boy Thio people falling off the team.
01:07:34
So you suit up.
01:07:36
You know, you grow 56 inches in the next two years like it's like like come on, you.
01:07:43
And even with that given with that because those type of things happen a lot.
01:07:48
But being from a small school like that is very rare that you found in that time anyway.
01:07:53
Now, with the Internet, you see everybody.
01:07:56
But in that time, people found you find you.
01:07:59
You know what I mean? Like so I'm not I'm not mad at the deal.
01:08:03
I'm not mad at the reason he took the deal.
01:08:05
I met at the deal, but I'm not mad at the reason he took.
01:08:08
If you can tell me, it's sort of like the argument off.
01:08:13
You know, when you have when you're talking with co workers and you say, Yo, if you hit that 600 million Powerball or mega millions, you're gonna take some Are you gonna take the nudie cape? Right? And you got some people Don't say, you know, I'm taking the lumps on, I'm going, I'm gone.
01:08:32
And you got something to say? I'm gonna take the new it because I want to go and I'm gonna get paid this in my amount of money till I die, all my family is gonna be straight until this time so you can't.
01:08:45
You have to look at it that way of my ping Nygren.
01:08:49
I agree it's a U.
01:08:50
But the risk or the money had a guarantee.
01:08:52
And sometimes you bet on yourself, and sometimes you don't.
01:08:57
And and he admitted, you know, I didn't I didn't feel comfortable betting on myself at that time because I could have gotten hurt anything by you, Like I said, a country boy from Arkansas.
01:09:09
And you got somebody that saying, you know, we're gonna give you $18 million right? That's what you see That one ate with the next to it.
01:09:19
You're not seeing the years in front of it, But you're thinking like I've never seen this type of money.
01:09:25
I could never imagine this type of.
01:09:27
Yeah, I got at a host of people to take care of.
01:09:31
I'm gonna be securing that.
01:09:32
And I respect that.
01:09:34
I respect that.
01:09:35
And he turned out okay.
01:09:36
He made 110 million or so many e i and it's gonna It's gonna be interesting to see with these next couple episodes.
01:09:43
Um, what they what they share.
01:09:45
I mean, and look, it's a success.
01:09:47
ESPN head, I think six million viewers for that first episode 5.
01:09:50
3 the 2nd 1 I mean, it's gonna be those same numbers for a do***entary and like my city probably could even Dittemore they do on a Saturday.
01:10:02
You ain't anything You're gonna bump it up hating on Buck that showing time up maybe started at eight instead of nine.
01:10:09
Well, the one that person, right? Yeah, That's why it starts at night.
01:10:14
That's the one, Like it's uncensored, I guess, but But I mean, but even when all this air, they're gonna keep replaying.
01:10:20
So they're going to keep making more and more money, and then they'll probably flip it into a podcast and make money off off the audio.
01:10:27
And then they're gonna I know Netflix, I think, gets it 90 days after it runs.
01:10:32
So it's just it's gonna disinfect the you.
01:10:35
It'll be you always watch it when it comes with.
01:10:38
I want to thank Thank you, gentlemen, for joining me for the re cap.
01:10:42
Hopefully old, you'll join me again after episodes three and four.
01:10:45
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leave the Lakers in a little bit, but we're gonna talk about, um, the last dance.
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I guess what everybody's talking about.
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Some joined by two lifelong friends.
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My man die. You'd Wallace.
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Welcome to Laker Central.
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He's been on before, and then you guys know Mike, one of my co host from our other podcasts.
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Off the record.
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Welcome to the show, fellas.
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Well, thank you, sir.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having us in there.
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So I brought these two fellas these these two dudes on because they grew up watching the bullets, just like I did.
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Were fortunate enough to have watched Michael, Scottie and the Bulls dominate.
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And I wanted to bring them on the share some context, um, to the bulls.
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And then maybe some of the conversation that we're seeing now going with this ridiculous Michael LeBron debate that people love to get into, um, But before we kick it off, I want to play a little bit of, um, some of the clips from the last dance episodes that aired last night.
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So we bring them in right now.
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So going in 1997 98 balls have won five championships.
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There's drama that summer as to whether they even gonna come back.
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Although I think most of us who are from Chicago and call Chicago home knew somehow they'd be back rise to a majority owner, I would have to leave town if they didn't come back.
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You can't argue with championship after championship after championship, there was still the best team in the NBA.
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You have Scottie Pippen incredibly talented athlete, very skilled score is mental sharpness, and his court awareness in his basketball savvy made him the greatest number two player ever.
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Let's stop. Let me stop right there.
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Stop right there.
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Eso overall, What did you guys think about? Um, the 1st 2 episodes of the do***entary.
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Well, I'll go first.
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First.
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What? The anticipation was incredible.
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It was It lived up to the hype so far.
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Right now it's top three do***entary, I know off two episodes, but I mean, Biggie was the number one rapper offer to out.
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So why can't we do two episodes, right? Oh, it was just incredible.
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Like you said growing up when we did, you know, being our age under 40 but close to 40 right? So 97 98 we were still in high school and there was no twitter.
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There was no, uh, All we had was 30 seconds to sports center with Keith and Dan doing the highlights.
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So we didn't know about a lot of the backstories a beef between the front office, the peace between Pippen, Um, we just thought it was all good.
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We just start like, you know, Jordan.
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It just went.
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That's what I always do is win.
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So we didn't really know when This puts a nice behind the curtains and I'm enjoying it and we're definitely looking forward to the rest of it.
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I mean, we ain't got **** else to watch, right? What do you think of? Admire what? I mean, like that.
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Who said the anticipation for it was, well, straight.
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I mean, like, then the fact that they moved it up.
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What? How many months wasn't supposed to come out in June soon, Right? June.
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So they bumped it up.
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Um, which even adds added to the anticipation of the, um you know, it seemed like at the end of each episode, like I would look at my lady who was watching will be and say like and that was and I were already because I was I was locked in.
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And the way they ended each episode like they kind of left you hanging.
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You know what? You know what was gonna be next? So I think it's dope.
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I mean, if it was on that flicks, like right now, I probably would've benched the whole thing last night.
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So I think it's so I mean and a lot of people.
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So I've been seeing today that a lot of people are on.
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They could be The naysayers were a lot of people were saying it wasn't all that blah, blah, and they think that the hype is because there's actually nothing else on TV.
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But I don't know that I think that this is I mean, this is what we grew up seeing.
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This is this is, you know, to some the greatest player would not even to some, this is the greatest player.
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Pretty much of our error that we were able to witness play basketball.
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So to get the behind the scenes look like that will say it is very intriguing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, look, I was talking to somebody early about this today.
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because people are saying, Well, we're gonna need a LeBron do***entary 10 years or whatever after he's done And here's the thing.
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A lot of this footage stayed locked up for 30 years.
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We knew about LeBron, you know.
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But the moment he got in high school, Jordan was Jordan when there was no social media.
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So everything about LeBron is is already out there.
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Everything he takes a step, cameras everywhere.
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People are talking about it For there.
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They're there to be footage and stories about Jordan that that some people knew there were whispers, but people didn't openly talk about and kept quiet all these years.
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I mean, how many of us knew that there was this footage of the last season that was up in Secaucus, New Jersey, that Adam Silver, when he was a marketing director for the MBA, convinced Michael like we didn't know that.
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But if LeBron was filming a do***entary a secret do***entary, everybody would know about it already.
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Yeah, Ron Brown would have tweeted it out already. E.
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I mean, it's so hard to keep these things secret.
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So I mean, t m z didn't even find out about this.
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I mean, they kept this quiet for 30 years.
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I mean, so is that weird? We know teams, he find out people dead before they even did.
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So that's that being like, Hey, that that is that is amazing.
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But they said that silver and it might said they made a deal that it wouldn't wouldn't come.
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They wouldn't speak about unless they both agree for it to come out.
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So wait a minute.
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Adam Silver was the head of entertainment.
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Yeah, he was like the marketing director for the MBA at that time in 97 98.
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He's convinced Mike to do this, even came up.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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He had a He had a pimp.
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It might come up.
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We're talking in any, and I double a whatever. Whatever.
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It was a look at the pignoli and I got some.
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I got some stuff for him, too.
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Well, yeah, so that Let me see.
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That's not what some of the characters in this right.
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So Jeri Ryan's door prize the Bulls and they're basically a laughing stock of Chicago.
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I mean, what did they say? The hockey team Chicago.
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The Blackhawks were better.
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Obviously, the hope face what kind of White Sox were better.
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Um, I could have sworn it like a roller skating team was better than he said.
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An indoor soccer team.
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Yeah, the Bulls were a joke, right? You get Michael Jordan, and all of a sudden you turn the franchise around.
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But Jerry rised rised or hires Krause, who was a scouting.
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It was a scout for what the White Sox socks right off owns the White Sox, too, right? So But Ryan's door from the jump in the do***entary says, I was warned about Jerry Cross, that he could alienate people.
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E me like the lady tells you right from the get go.
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People told me this do might not be the right person, but he builds.
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He helps build this dynasty, right? And I don't like.
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I feel like Cross did himself a disservice in that He really did think that he was the brains behind the entire operation, and he goes after Phil Jackson.
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But you can't, but Michael says, Well, Phil goes, I'm out so you can't go after Phil and then who do you go after with Scotty and Mike doesn't really have Scottie's back, in my opinion, who well Yeah, I interject something, sir.
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Um, I have to You have to agree with you, Michael Jordan.
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Michael Jeffrey Jordan, as we call it around, the way he was so big.
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Like he's like Drake.
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Beyonce tease is bigger than all these people, right? Like, let me interject.
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I saw the bay that who's bigger, beyonc? Or Michael Jordan? I hate it.
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I hate it.
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But divers, I saw somebody saying that, You know, if you took a picture of Michael Jordan, let me finish up.
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Okay? Let's I know.
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Actually think Snoop Dog is big and and beyonc? You took a picture.
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You took a picture of Beyonce's snoop dog to your grandmother who doesn't care about none of these people, right? She could she would know who Snoop Dog is.
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I don't know.
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Well, what I try to explain to people is Michael in the nineties, like pre social media like they're so before social media.
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There's a handful of people that were just bigger than everything.
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Mike Tyson, Michael Jordan, Michael Jackson like if you put them in today's climate with social media, they will be even bigger.
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I mean, they were worldwide phenomenons without 24 7 camera access and all this stuff.
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So look, I didn't mean to cut you off, but going What were you saying about Jerry Krause and jury Reinsdorf Ryan's Dorf.
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Did he know more than he knew? I'm sure he did, but I actually like how he was so noncommittal in the whole thing.
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He kind of stayed clean of everything, but he doesn't the buck stop with the owner.
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Well, the pencil type of owner you have, if you have a jury Joe's type owner, Yes.
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If you have some of these guys like Jeri Ryan's of Don't know, that's why you hire a GM, in my opinion, to kind of get the heat off.
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You let him be the punching, Don't let him be the Bufferin.
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And that's what Klaus really was.
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He was a buffer.
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Hey, had the ego.
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It's kind of sad that he he Oh, no, he's definitely bad guy in this whole do***entary so far.
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But it kind of like you said Okay.
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Should have Pippins back.
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So you don't pay NJ.
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I'm out.
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I would have You mean at world to double back off what you said? First of all, I don't give rise door for past for which you just said it was clear that he used crowds and he's using them in this do***entary right now as the fall guy.
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Hey, you know, I let him do him, But typically when the owners winning championships like the Bulls were, they get involved, right? Because in he also to me, he was First of all, he was contradicted himself because he would say, like, Yo, you know, I told Scottie, Don't sign that deal.
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Why? I told her I liked crowds kind of do what he did, but then he would also turn around and say, Hey, I was the reason why we didn't get rid of it.
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I'm a reason why we didn't trace got so involved this way, got involved in those things.
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So that's why I'm not buying will rise or set.
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I remember in those times when it was talk to Scotty Man being traded and this happened.
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This had been a couple times in his career with the Bulls.
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I remember it happened when, during the years that Jordan laugh, I remember doing that All Star Year All Star Game.
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One year it was rumored he was wont get traded. The pit.
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I mean, get traded to Phoenix.
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Well, Charles, remember, have in.
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And then I remember it happened in this time as well.
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Um, and I remember honestly thinking the same dangle was We're waiting, actually, for Jordan to say you're pimping out here that I'm not I'm not doing it.
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Remember? Don't know today That remembers, like, clamoring for Jordan to say a pimping on.
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I'm not. I'm not here.
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But now, watching the doc, you see that Jordan actually felt some kind of way about the way Pippen was handling this? Sure.
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You know, he he thought he was selfish.
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He thought he should have got the surgery before and right at the end of the season instead of waiting.
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So any any thought that wants to trade request came out from Pippen himself that he thought he was yourself.
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So I agree with you, Alex.
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On that.
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I'm not going to say he didn't.
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I won't say he didn't have his back per se, but then I'm gonna say Yeah, he didn't.
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He didn't.
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Jordan could have put it.
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He could have put a nail and all of that by saying you trade pimping reminds will trade me, too.
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I mean, Tracy, Tracy McGrady came out and said that there was a trade that the Bulls proposed to the Raptors in 97 for him for Scotty.
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And Mike stepped in then and said, No, it's not gonna happen.
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And I'm sure you all are aware that the Bulls tried to treat Scotty for Shawn Kemp.
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And then Mike stepped in on that.
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But my call and Scotty selfish is kind of like calling the pot calling the kettle black.
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When Mike and 93 just decides I'm up and walking away from baseball, I mean basketball to play baseball like, Is that not self fishing itself? Also, how do you have that right, that just quit in the middle of a championship run.
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And then you call this do selfish because he wants to get paid.
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I mean, if Scotty didn't, Scotty didn't request to trade until his name was already in trade rumors, like right.
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Like cross was Christ Cross was publicly saying, I'm listening to trade off.
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Yeah, you imagine that happening today? I saw I was I was I was telling, you know, I was like, Why don't you just say no comment or way we look at everything.
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But he was like, Yeah, good filled with Bill came back.
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It was like he came in for 97 98 came back and Cross comes into says this year last year, like, how do you walk into what might be at that time? Could have been the greatest coach of all time, but certainly eats in that discussion now.
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But he just one u five rings and you say I don't care if you go 80 to know you out.
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You're, like, clearly crossed.
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Thought he was the man.
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He was the brains behind the operation.
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That's that's what That's part of my problem with this because I was going back and forth with a bunch of people online today.
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Um, for your listeners that don't know I am.
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Scottie Pippen was my favorite player of all time growing up.
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So, you know, I took it.
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I took it a little person, man, that went at it a little bit.
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It's last night, cause that knows that so that you don't take a giant would be It was gonna get you black, you know, like you say Alex who? First of all, let's go back, right? Not on Lee.
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He ended that last championship run that one before that season.
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He ended that by saying, you know, basically, because it was already Michael and it was getting questions in the press conference after the game.
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You are? What you gonna be at? What's going on? Right.
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So it was already in the atmosphere that that that might be the last one.
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Right? Then it was.
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Then it's known that you would feel don't really rock with each other, right? Rise those steps and you saw it.
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You saw I feel back to a one year or what? I would give him a one year extension.
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And you tell Phil that that's gonna be it right now. Only the heat's out.
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Phil.
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He was gonna be that was it filled and leaked out to the media.
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Right? So I mean, Kraus gonna interview after that, saying, you know, this is gonna be it.
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Yep.
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Hey, was off the chain, which is so that that already set a certain type of move within that well over that organization from a player's standpoint that put them all on edge, which pimping said.
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You come out and say Filling Gonna be here.
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So put me in a mindset like going into the season that this is it.
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You mean? And I knew the run was coming to in that right Then we in the summer of that coming off a championship where I gave you my left ankle, right? I played her clearly that needed some type of surgery.
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Now, if you'll remember, people won't think I'm crazy because I just said I'm Scottie Pippen fan, but no bias at all.
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If you remember, you know Pippen really deserved that. Finals.
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M v p.
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That George.
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That's the gear that Jordan set it on the microphone when they announced him as a finals.
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M v p, he said no, This is Scott.
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He was I'll keep the trophy.
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Scotty gets the truck with the car.
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So Scottie bought out that finals hurt, right? That was that was verse Utah.
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Get the first time the first time when they occur, hits the shot.
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Yeah, that's a point.
00:17:01
Well, Scotty, the play, I think they show the clip last night with Scotty Kind of Dover Thio.
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So? So he bought out right now, you go into that off season.
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You hear your name and trade talks already? Because if you remember, when they came back the first game of the year at the rain ceremony studies, studies.
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Ah, speech where he got emotional.
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If this is gonna be the last time I say good bye, I want to say thank you.
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So it was already before the season started that Yo, this man is on the block, right? Right? Right now, I'm not saying he didn't get email, because of course he got he didn't get any more in the situation.
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Well, people have placed in this and saying that he was mad about his contract.
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I think its started with all the trade rumors.
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Okay, listen, you know, I don't even want me here after all of this.
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That went down. Now, of course.
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Will you ****ed off Every little thing is gonna add to that pie.
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And so now you admit that you had the contract where I'm the I'm getting less than Luc Longley on this team Now, course you have ****ed off, so I'm a customer out every time I see you know me.
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But I think it was deeper than just that contract, which everybody is focusing on the contract.
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But it went before that, like my name is in trade rumors and we just want a chip.
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So yeah, I mean it.
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I think that look, I think Ryan's Dorf did a did a bad job hiring cross in the first place.
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He was warned, and cross did exactly what he was warned that he would do.
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I think Cross got too big for his britches and thought, I can't go at Michael, So I'm gonna go out everybody else and he alienated everybody else.
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Cross is not alive today to say, Is any of this true? You know, it's It's It's tough to go at somebody when they can't defend their name, at least in these first couple episodes he's made out to be, You know, the bad guy.
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Um, but an Episode two.
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We get into Scotty's contract and, you know, whatever, whatever you think of Scotty's duly signed Ah ah, seven year, $18 million deal.
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So for context today, Lou.
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Well, Dang had $18 million per season deal with the Lakers a few years ago.
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I mean, like, you know, Scotty from Arkansas, humble upbringing.
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Like a lot of NBA players, I completely understand why he signed a deal that he signed.
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So the deal itself is is, you know, I don't have a lot of issues with the deal itself, except for at some point, you have to make it right as an organization because he was clearly your number two best player.
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And so Toa have Scotty Pippen on your team.
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Who was runner up for M V P.
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I think in 95 1 of the best defensive players in the league, top 50 player of all time.
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And he was your six highest paid player in 1997 98.
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I mean, like, that's laughable at this point.
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So what do you all thoughts on his contract and how the episode plays that out? Can I start? Michael? Ah, a couple things.
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A couple things that Pippen doing.
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Some, like you said they were put in contact.
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Michael Jordan also signed a deal similar to that.
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I think it wa ce eight years, 60 million or something like that.
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The Dingle is at that time.
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There was a lot of these contracts out there, and people want eveyone to risk it.
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Or do you want your or the years Pippen decided to take the years.
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His agent, Jimmy ***ton, was a really big football agent now and Jerry Reinsdorf our own record saying, No, don't take the deal.
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Don't take this.
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The India is about to explode.
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We got the TV money coming in.
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That cap is going to explode.
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Pittman wanted the comfort of the years.
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You know, at some point the whole whining about the contract by Pippen.
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Little major turnoff.
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I said He's a great player.
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Extremely great.
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Claire Top 50.
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But there's a couple instances we're tipping has shown his true colors I e.
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The last second jump shot with CU coaches and tipping the size.
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I don't want to go in the game.
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Something about him.
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It just rubs.
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It doesn't run a little bit.
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Great guy.
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Nice player.
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But the lining about the contract? No sitting out in the biggest game of the year because Tony Cu coach gets the final play and you don't get it.
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And you just to finally say f you.
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I'm not going in the game.
00:21:39
Those are major character flaws and we're not even gonna go to his personal life with his wife in the inner and the rapper future and her four time cheating self.
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And he's taking her back.
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I'm just saying the guy's not I'm not a big fan of the guy.
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Nice player, though.
00:21:58
Well, I guess I'm gonna be on his Christmas list.
00:22:04
First of all, listen, he explained why he took the contract right and find you.
00:22:10
You took it.
00:22:11
You sign it, live with it.
00:22:13
You're like, this is labor contracts.
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We have contracts in law because it's binding.
00:22:20
You know what I'm saying? And football the Mark Jackson, you're gonna I know you're probably gonna go to the angle.
00:22:25
He outplayed this contract.
00:22:26
Yes, he did.
00:22:27
Lamar Jackson is on his third or second year of his rookie contract.
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He's the NFL MVP.
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He's clearly outplayed his contract.
00:22:36
So So what should he do? So he just be like, yo on that? Because I signed the contract at the rookie.
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What are you going to do? But NFL players restructure their deals all the time to help the team MBA.
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You can't restructure your deal.
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I don't I don't think you could in 95 you know, back then? I don't know, but I know it now. You can't.
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But he can't be your six highest paid player, man.
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I mean, come on.
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He says that's a bad look.
00:23:00
Absolutely.
00:23:01
Makes no sense at all.
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Now, first of all, I'm not buying that rise door.
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Told him not to sign that deal.
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I'm not buying that.
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I am not buying that.
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And first of all, Jimmy ***ton should have kept his mouth shut.
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Because if you're a true agent, that you're not going to let me stay If you feel a little bit won't an agent as a lawyer, I pay you.
00:23:24
You work for me, right? So you could give me your I'm also paying you to guide me in the right direction, I'm told.
00:23:32
You know, Freddy, you said forgive you, but I don't know.
00:23:35
I don't know if I believe I don't know if I believe that that person that put that tweet out that you're talking about is going to know who that is.
00:23:43
It wasn't Jimmy ***ton that said it himself.
00:23:45
So I don't if you're if I'm paying you to be my agent and I'm about to put myself into a totally into a ****ty situation.
00:23:57
Skiing my French? I don't know. I don't know.
00:23:59
We could curse on Lake Central.
00:24:00
You good.
00:24:02
Okay. Okay. Uh uh.
00:24:05
But, you know, I'm paying you to guide me in the right direction.
00:24:10
With that.
00:24:11
I do not believe that Ryan's door.
00:24:12
I told him not to sign.
00:24:13
That didn't either.
00:24:15
You don't mean because that's the name of the game.
00:24:19
Like they want to get the best players they can in the best price that they possibly could.
00:24:24
I feel like now again.
00:24:27
Pippen never.
00:24:29
He never held out.
00:24:30
He never asked to be traded until the initial trade rumors came out from the team.
00:24:37
He never asked to be traded or anything.
00:24:39
So in in that clip in the episode about pipping, he didn't ***** about me.
00:24:44
You say why he wasn't whining about no contract? They asked him about the contract.
00:24:48
He said, My time will come.
00:24:51
E came.
00:24:53
So I networked with Houston.
00:24:56
He didn't get big. Might take out to Houston.
00:24:58
So eat like the whole concept that he was whining the whole narrative, that he was whining about his contract.
00:25:05
That's not true.
00:25:06
Now I do think it eventually got to that point after he acted like I just explained that all of this other **** you don't even want me here, so yeah, I'm putting all of this a one part now my contractor should be.
00:25:17
I'm getting less than Luc Longley.
00:25:19
Yeah, I'm making on Lee.
00:25:21
Two million more than ****ing rusty LaRue.
00:25:23
More on this list is this list is crazy, Cowboy.
00:25:27
Joe Klein.
00:25:28
I'm getting to mid morning, Joe Car I more than three joke.
00:25:32
You leave him alone, though.
00:25:35
And it's like and then a lot of people don't Also that no one spoke about either, is Robyn was the one holding out for a contract that year.
00:25:44
Piven didn't hold out nothing.
00:25:46
It was it was robbing.
00:25:47
Who did the holding on.
00:25:48
And that's what I mean to get get your money.
00:25:51
But to say that she cannot outperform a contract, it is told no every woman outperform their contract, But it's a contract.
00:26:01
You signed it.
00:26:03
Okay, but this just like just like Alex and how to cut you off in the NFL players, NFL players are always structure in a bills right now is they're not guaranteed, though not nine times out of 10.
00:26:18
They're asking that player who has not outperformed his deal well, might not be living up to his deal toe to restructure or I'm not your Ascot.
00:26:28
So if you if ownership and that right can take every player or ask the player to do that that way and a lot of times you will see um, okay, he up won't perform this contract.
00:26:40
Who just got, well, just got paid in the NFL that from based off, I'll perform the culture anyway.
00:26:47
You'll see time to time.
00:26:48
Kristina Triska. Carefree.
00:26:50
You know what? He's outperforming that contract.
00:26:52
Yeah, that's right.
00:26:53
That should, uh and let's get this.
00:26:55
Let's get this boy paid, right.
00:26:57
I could have done that with Pippen.
00:26:59
They could have done that.
00:27:00
What? Are you sure they could have just whipped up a contract guaranteeing wth the issue is if I think it cross never says he's gonna trade him.
00:27:09
I don't think you have any of these issues cross going at it, cross telling Phil I don't care what you win. You're gone.
00:27:17
And then starting to trade Pippen publicly, that caused all of this and And look, man, I know that the core of that team was 30 plus years old, but Michael was still playing at a high level.
00:27:28
Clearly, he's still in his prime.
00:27:30
Scotty, look, we're Laker fans die you, Scotty, three years later went to Portland and they took us to Game seven.
00:27:38
Clearly had something in the tank, that Bulls team.
00:27:41
I think that the lockout season, I think, played in their favor.
00:27:45
It's shortened season.
00:27:46
They would have rested up.
00:27:48
There was no reason to break that team up right then and there, and they broke it up.
00:27:53
Over what? Because they won 13 games the next season in 99 17 the following season, 15 2 year after that.
00:28:01
I think I posted this on Twitter.
00:28:02
They didn't want 62 games in 97 98.
00:28:05
They didn't win 62 again into 2010 like what was the purpose and blowing that team up? What was the real reason? Well, that's the thing, because I was looking at some live on some stats to, um, about the attendance, because usually that goes down on a championship team, get disbanded like the Bulls did.
00:28:23
The Bulls actually are in the top four teams in the last 15 years and attendance going? Yeah, even with the terrible Some of the Eddy Curry you What happened with the Bulls, though? Couple our picks and and really, Elton Brand, did you pan out? He might be that he was an off our wedding a couple times.
00:28:43
I believe with the Clippers.
00:28:45
We've been traded him to the Clippers.
00:28:47
For what? I got the number one of number four pig And what a great then they Dr Tyson Chandler.
00:28:53
And yet it's so a lot of their picks them and pan out.
00:28:56
But I guess you know, was rise to of hurting for money around 98.
00:29:01
Now he couldn't have been right.
00:29:02
So now I don't think I like you said broke.
00:29:06
It just might been ego.
00:29:08
It's straight up, like, Listen, I think part of it.
00:29:11
I think it was a lot of ego based off, um, offer crowds, you know, like I think now it's turned into a bashing across, but I think I think he was good at his job.
00:29:24
Sure you did.
00:29:26
The results say that, right? But he loves I'm sorry to cut, but drafting uh, Pippen at the n a a right Central Arkansas, then drafted the horse Grant finding people like Oakley like he me, he did a good job.
00:29:43
He just Maybe this is.
00:29:47
I mean, this is clearly Karl Fright E.
00:29:51
That was definitely that's definitely shot from the jury.
00:29:57
You know, he did well at his job.
00:29:59
He disorders and good on the person that the personal side person, because he wasn't good there.
00:30:05
And that's a part of that's That's a part of that job right now.
00:30:09
Everybody knows it's a business at the end of the day, Um, but I think part of his thing I think he wanted to be in the limelight just as much as got to get a complex man.
00:30:22
Okay, he hadn't complex.
00:30:24
And it was, I mean, how many how many flubs that he had within the media, just like he blamed.
00:30:30
Just like he blamed the writer of that article when he said, Organization wins championships, not players.
00:30:36
He was any character.
00:30:37
And to meet you Yeah, he was.
00:30:39
But when I was in the media so much e.
00:30:43
I mean, this isn't right now when they act like now g m's air kind of expected to be back then. That wasn't the case.
00:30:49
So what was he doing in front of the camera all the time? Hey, wanted to be there.
00:30:54
Jerry West wasn't in front of the camera in the nineties when he ran the Lakers.
00:30:59
So it's strange, man, like the job people, the do***entary when he invited everybody.
00:31:06
Like, even, like, yeah, everybody to his daughter's wedding, but feel like even like the low ranking bulls, the Bulls official is here like Rhimes don't like that.
00:31:17
Probably wasn't a good idea.
00:31:18
Hey, only did he do that, then he had rights of the so called coach of waiting people.
00:31:26
Will.
00:31:27
What, you going fishing or golfing with them? Denial code? Yeah, temporarily like bro.
00:31:32
Hey, Uh, yeah, like it was one guy was going back and forth for today and he talking about it was selfish and order that from Pippen and things like that I might go.
00:31:44
So was it was Krause selfish shadow.
00:31:48
You play a part in that O g m e C G m's are supposed to minor tricks that, um salary caps, blah blah, blah, blah.
00:31:57
Yeah, that's true.
00:31:59
But what GM puts these things are publicly during the season or following a championship.
00:32:06
He attacked the personal side of doing the business.
00:32:09
Yeah, you know.
00:32:10
But he made some really good pics.
00:32:13
And any time you win six championships, it's not just good players, because every team's got good players.
00:32:19
You met me like it takes a certain amount of off, and he did that.
00:32:23
But on another note, um, are we all gonna just gloss over the fact that Michael Jordan partied in the eighties with a lot of cocaine and weed? I didn't.
00:32:35
But I thought that was known.
00:32:36
The NBA had a drug problem in the 70 60 seventies and eighties.
00:32:40
I thought everybody knew that.
00:32:42
Well, I mean, maybe some kids out there who asked, You think the NBA is like, brand new? I could just started with.
00:32:48
I mean, they were doing I mean, you know, I've read books about them being they were doing lines of Coke at halftime, but that Major League baseball had the same might still have that same problem.
00:32:59
Yeah, they do a lot of questions.
00:33:00
The uppers.
00:33:01
If it makes you see the ball better, they say, who knows? I mean, like, the question is Do you believe? Like you believe Michael Trip went in that room and turned around? That's the question.
00:33:13
Uh, you know what Republicans do.
00:33:17
Coke, too.
00:33:20
You know what? You know what, Mike? Rookie rookie year Mike.
00:33:26
I think he turned around.
00:33:27
He's been naive.
00:33:28
Yeah, he probably was not my cause.
00:33:31
I think rookie Mike was so hungry to try to be the best to be united me.
00:33:38
And I think rookie Might might have turned around now, after after the success popped off and he he started to become a stock, he was in ever a quick question to, um Why wasn't I needed Jordan in any of the clips at all? Would mean, look, she got her 90 million.
00:34:02
Is any reason for her to be involved in the clips? I mean, but 1998 97.
00:34:06
They were still married, right? And had a small family flake workman.
00:34:09
They got his mama who looks **** good.
00:34:11
I tell you that mama **** did to be lying on crack.
00:34:15
She looks amazing because he looked really good to be I don't know how she is.
00:34:20
I mean, she actually is better.
00:34:21
And Mike Yeah, I think So let's not with his eyes.
00:34:26
The ****'s like permanently red.
00:34:29
He might have a condition.
00:34:31
I think we'll take a note just given too much.
00:34:36
This is a kid headed by cast e big.
00:34:40
I think they've minus 76.
00:34:44
She even 3 76 and 78.
00:34:47
We looked it up.
00:34:48
We looked it up last night.
00:34:49
I said, She looks up.
00:34:51
May she looks amazing.
00:34:53
Yes, she does.
00:34:54
It's interesting names, but I don't know, man is you know, I didn't go in my No, I I thought they were going to specifically focus on the last season.
00:35:08
I didn't think they was gonna really go back.
00:35:10
Yeah, yeah, kind of like show what was leading up to all of this kind of stuff.
00:35:14
It's cool.
00:35:15
It's cool doing it because they will jump back to a particular year or whatever.
00:35:21
You didn't jump right drive back to the Karen Bowman and that for the moment at that time.
00:35:27
So I think that's dope party.
00:35:29
It's very, very well put together.
00:35:31
I think it's super dope.
00:35:33
Don't I am, man, that it's so funny hearing about, you know, minute restrictions now.
00:35:40
But then Jordan was on one in 85.
00:35:43
That's crazy, right? That's 40 minutes.
00:35:46
And they were, like, at every 14 minutes, he out with the fact he was the fact that he was down in North Carolina playing on a broken foot.
00:35:53
Nobody moved out it.
00:35:54
Could you imagine today, like he would.
00:35:58
Yo.
00:35:59
Remember when when rod monuments broke his leg or something? Snowboarding.
00:36:03
Okay.
00:36:04
He lied to them and said he felt like playing ball, son, because they want your contract, right? Right.
00:36:11
I mean, they wouldn't go forward mites, but, you know, I don't know, man, like, thinking about it.
00:36:17
Like Michael Jordan is an owner now.
00:36:19
Right in this to say, I actually think the Bulls were stupid for letting him play in 86.
00:36:27
That playoff run when you guys think you mean get anything, he didn't get hurt, but they could have gotten him that 86 draft had Brad Darty and had a Ron Harper had a couple of white legitimate.
00:36:39
If the Bulls would have got brand Artie in that Bill Cartwright.
00:36:44
I mean, you're talking they could with what they've gotten, Scotty.
00:36:46
And what, 87? Maybe not.
00:36:50
I don't know.
00:36:51
Yeah, I don't.
00:36:52
I don't know.
00:36:53
But I remind you, I want to bring that.
00:36:55
I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to that.
00:36:56
But real quick.
00:36:57
Mind you they didn't They didn't technically draft Scotty.
00:37:00
No. They traded for him. That's right.
00:37:02
Track they traded for.
00:37:03
But and I give cross all the credit for that, because who the hell high? I mean, water took him fit.
00:37:10
Right? So you gotta You gotta And whoever was over there had some inkling on them, too, but for Krauss and ran rised off to say we gotta move up to get this dude, They gotta give him credit there.
00:37:23
You gotta have vision.
00:37:24
And this was remember this in 1987.
00:37:26
It was no YouTube.
00:37:27
There was no twitter.
00:37:28
How do I know about a player from in? I double a central Arkansas when you walk on? Yeah.
00:37:34
Yeah, it's the Waterboy.
00:37:38
Yeah, he was a war clue.
00:37:39
So, in a sense that, uh, Bulls had three in the eight players in there.
00:37:46
Pippen, Ronnie in.
00:37:49
Oh, right, OK, yeah.
00:37:53
But here's my question.
00:37:54
Usually, when you draft a guy, you're that or were you trade forgot that you really love like that? That's your guy.
00:38:00
So that was that was crosses God he found Why would you still want to trade him? GM? Julie, hold on with that. Their guy.
00:38:07
And that's an excellent point, cause that was his guy.
00:38:11
Sure it didn't draft Jordan and he moved.
00:38:15
He made that move to get Pip it.
00:38:18
That was his move.
00:38:19
That was his probably his biggest move of his career.
00:38:22
Yet you dangle him like you say, You know, it was like it was really like he was toying with him, right? You're nothing with him. Totally.
00:38:32
Yeah.
00:38:33
I mean, he laughing like, Yeah, I mean, we got some really good even after rise, though, have clipped it and say, I don't want to trade.
00:38:39
He still got up there and said, Oh, yeah, we have what we thought with some really good offers for Scott.
00:38:46
You don't mean like it's like it's like you don't know.
00:38:51
I'm trying to think of another GM that we've seen do something like that.
00:38:54
Jerry, Uh, what do you do? Well, when did Jerry do it? At a time? Hey, did he do it at the time when he had success? Well, memory image, Smith.
00:39:07
While I mean he remember in the 1st 2 games in 93? Didn't you know the game is a lot of eagles involved.
00:39:15
Clearly, it's just salami.
00:39:18
Eagles, man.
00:39:19
And No one's Eagle was bigger than Michael Jordan's.
00:39:21
To be honest with you, that kind of madman this has shown me he is a maniac.
00:39:27
Yeah, but and and then to go back to what you said about 86 easy before the plate when he came back off injury, which I probably wouldn't have let him play told.
00:39:39
But if you're going to let him play on any minute restriction, then you gotta let him play even make the playoffs.
00:39:45
Yes, I clipped it when he said, You know, you got a 10% chance of not ever playing again.
00:39:52
You got it, you got set up now.
00:39:55
No one's also talking about crossing that moment where clearly, they were trying to tank.
00:40:00
Now here's that Here's bites.
00:40:02
Heat 86 taking what's going on back yet.
00:40:05
Yeah, that's a great point.
00:40:07
It's always it's it's tanking is one of the smartest ways, too.
00:40:15
It's just this brilliant way, and it really is a brilliant way to get better they're not gonna get better Winning 35 40 games.
00:40:22
It's just not either suck or be good.
00:40:28
I mean, I don't know a clearly he was upset.
00:40:32
Now.
00:40:33
Hey, didn't he got his wish right? He told the coach, Do not play if you play him a second over 14 minutes of mine, she didn't play it.
00:40:43
**** job asked.
00:40:44
Esther gave when the shots.
00:40:46
So can you added with at press box? Well, where in the game? With that look like when faxes hit that shot, she locked him out.
00:40:54
The locker room cross Could be the lock crashed off the locker room.
00:41:01
But it is.
00:41:02
But I think it is.
00:41:04
What do you think is going to reveal going forward like, Is there something you're like? Is there something you're looking for? That they got to get into the Rodman? I mean, they're gonna obviously doing a popular Rodman.
00:41:15
Yeah, the thing is, there's a There's a there's a Rodman will not rob her.
00:41:21
But ah, John Salley did an interview on deejay Vlad, and he does a story on Dennis Rodman about Rodman used to run around with, You know, his crew was a very, uh, eclectic crew.
00:41:35
And ah Rodman said that that that John Salley said that Rodman used to go to his club out in Chicago called Like Warhammer or like some well club, right and he say, Used to run around with this.
00:41:51
Ah, with this this woman that looks like Marilyn Monroe.
00:41:56
So John Salley was like, Where we got the dinner.
00:42:00
It's me, Dennis Rodman.
00:42:02
This this woman. It looks like Marilyn Monroe.
00:42:04
Jerry Springer.
00:42:05
He was like, I wanted to meet Jerry Springer.
00:42:08
So yes, I'm talking to Jerry said other athletes dudes coming up to Dennis tryingto get with this.
00:42:13
This woman he was like She's turning do is down left and right.
00:42:18
He was like Rod Broadman said, You know, if you want to get what a good school when he was like Nah, nah, she's not really my speed.
00:42:25
And he said, Dennis looks at him and Dennis looked stares at him in his eyes, and he's like, Yeah, I guess you know, right? Sally was like it was a dude.
00:42:36
I mean, he said nobody knew.
00:42:39
Like he said, you couldn't tell at all, but it was Athlete seems like Michael name names, but it was athletes trying to get Take this.
00:42:48
This due home a wild man.
00:42:52
****ing Robin Robin is distance.
00:42:55
And then this Bulls team had it all like they literally had it all.
00:42:58
It was just it was traveling circus like teams today.
00:43:02
Augustine, Miami.
00:43:04
He of LeBron era was pretty popular, you know? Like they were big, big deal.
00:43:10
Um, but the House Bulls team had it all I had to know.
00:43:15
I think I am looking forward to the raiment episode.
00:43:17
I didn't want to see what comes out of that cause I've heard different things.
00:43:22
Our interview with him, even this saying that like him and him, Pippen and Jordan like, didn't talk.
00:43:30
He said they talked on the court.
00:43:32
Yeah, birds, they talking practice, you know, they didn't talk in away from anything.
00:43:38
They didn't hang out that he said, you know, we eat.
00:43:41
I think it was Africa.
00:43:42
Who, where he was.
00:43:44
And what was this interview Anyway? I've been robbed and said that they may have talked a handful of times, like off the court years.
00:43:54
So I am interested in seeing how the dynamic and how that worked.
00:43:58
And I do want to see how far or how ugly the dynamic between the front office and the players got.
00:44:06
I would see how ugly that and then how they were able to still spin that into a chip.
00:44:14
You know what I mean? Like it's has, little man.
00:44:16
It's got to be filled like, No, we're not doing it the best.
00:44:19
But Phil has away.
00:44:21
And think about what? The Lakers you've got Shaq and Kobe.
00:44:23
You got these massive egos.
00:44:26
You got these great, great talents and everyone's on the same page.
00:44:31
Toe win.
00:44:32
I don't know how Phil, doesn't I Really I mean, it's insane is the way he gets people to believe in the system and to be ready to perform.
00:44:42
Actually, Phil, Phil was holding back in those first episodes.
00:44:45
Yeah, Phil could say a whole lot more.
00:44:48
It felt like he was just kind of being diplomatic in his old age.
00:44:53
I I got that, too, from I got that, too, from Phil Now I think he was I think, some things he was like, letting it out.
00:45:00
Like like he told Scotty, like, Yo, you got a chip but stored a conversation with a little more and that or a little got a little more heated to him saying, Scotty, you got a chip.
00:45:12
What's funny is when they were telling Phil was telling a story about Scotty being on the back of the bus and yellin at Jerry Cross.
00:45:20
It reminded me of a situation that I was in.
00:45:24
The **** goes down in the back of bus Don't like It's so funny, like I can't like Scott isn't an ethnic Bill Wennington was just telling the story to do.
00:45:35
Like Scott, they must have been throwing haymakers.
00:45:38
Jake Carlson.
00:45:40
You know, they say, I think it was Joe Carter.
00:45:42
He was like, I remember him.
00:45:44
There's something coming from back in the bus like, Why would the GM, even beyond my eye back in the day must have been just different.
00:45:53
You know, he wanted Herbie.
00:45:55
He wanted to be.
00:45:56
And you would be a celebrity.
00:45:58
Get Jordan realized that because how many times in well, Jordan picked with him? How many times did he say Hey, you walk? I'm I'll shoot layups with us.
00:46:07
You won't come out of you this and that with it.
00:46:09
You want drip, you go dribble.
00:46:10
Jerry, like how many times did he mention a basketball reference when it came to throwing the shot across? Because I think Jordan knew.
00:46:18
Now, mind you.
00:46:21
What? What I thought was interesting.
00:46:23
I want to see which our bodies on this.
00:46:26
You know, that Jordan, the Jordan and Jenny crowd beef started in that 86 season.
00:46:32
Right? Okay.
00:46:34
Where when they started that minute restriction and all of that, and then joining realize they was trying to tank for better pick, right.
00:46:40
That's when this score between Jordan and in the front office where he started at that point, right? So what I found interesting is how they kept it together, all of it, or didn't lose Jordan.
00:46:55
You know what I'm saying? I don't know.
00:46:57
Jordan said at one time later in the years he thought about signing with Nick's or something like that.
00:47:02
But that was like years later.
00:47:04
So how? It's just interesting.
00:47:08
Like you got your best player that's upset already with the front office in his second year in the league, right? Like how did he How did they just keep their **** together? Was a him mentally just able to blackout seed? Or did he know at early I made this my team.
00:47:24
So I'm going no ****ing way or whatever the case may be typically.
00:47:27
Were you upset a young player that soon? They want to get anyone about now.
00:47:31
That book, Yes, but you're talking about a Remember, that was 30 some odd years ago that the players today the player empowerment movement that we have now It wasn't like that back then that they were still I'm not going to say they were.
00:47:45
The team ran the dynamics, and today the players have power, which is much different now.
00:47:52
If Jordan had the power like you did today, he probably would be good.
00:47:56
But I wonder if Jordan the way he talks in this do***entary, it's almost as if he still believes the players are the most important part of our franchise.
00:48:05
But I wonder if he really believes that.
00:48:07
Yeah, he probably believes it, but he probably has so many years of the front office dictating that it's almost like he believes it.
00:48:17
But he doesn't believe, you know, I'm saying, like, it was just weird, man. The eighties.
00:48:21
And it wasn't that long ago when you think about it, but it just seemed like it was, ah, different century of basketball.
00:48:28
Do you think that they do You think they win eight or they Do you think that they be, Ah, the Rockets, those two years? It's hard for me to bet against Jordan.
00:48:40
Um, I do think the way to be ah, perimeter oriented team which the bulls were this big brother prevented.
00:48:47
Oriented toward extent.
00:48:49
A big man in the big man like I came could neutralize all the other ****.
00:48:55
Um, I don't know.
00:48:58
Now listen, there would be wrong the next.
00:49:04
The next took took the Rocket.
00:49:05
Seven games that one year, right.
00:49:07
94 95.
00:49:08
I feel I feel like the Bulls win against good, big men, though.
00:49:14
Not like that.
00:49:15
Okay.
00:49:16
And initiatives to Mr That's move forward.
00:49:17
Do you think the Bulls, in their heyday, let's say 96 97 whatever could beat the Lakers 2000 Shaq and Kobe here? Yes, I don't think the Bulls could beat them.
00:49:31
I think the Bulls, at their heyday, could beat the Lakers at their heyday.
00:49:35
Are we talking about? So we're taking the best bull team of that run.
00:49:40
Take the 72 in 17 96 72 teams in the playoffs.
00:49:49
The 15 and one Lakers are the tooth.
00:49:52
The second championship team.
00:49:54
Oh, I'm sorry, right along gig.
00:49:56
So you give me the old one. Laker tease that.
00:49:58
So let me have still Prime Shack there. He likes Shack.
00:50:02
Says who Who's going to stop him? Is the question.
00:50:04
That's that's request Toby.
00:50:06
They're going a giggle of dude, anything.
00:50:08
They won't drop their 30 Whatever, whatever.
00:50:10
The phantom actor throw it in the shack, and he gave me 37 25 20 in New July.
00:50:16
It makes every player around me that much better.
00:50:19
It makes Derek Fisher better.
00:50:20
It makes Brian Shaw better.
00:50:21
Makes Orry better.
00:50:22
Ricky Fox.
00:50:24
I think that 72 10 team was even though we've seen Go to stay.
00:50:30
Go what, 73 I.
00:50:34
I don't need that ****.
00:50:35
Doesn't even assignment on my radar, but he lost.
00:50:38
That's that's what I mean.
00:50:39
I mean, even if they even if they would have won the chip that year, it's not.
00:50:44
It's not even know more because that team, I mean, they were a good team, But that's 70.
00:50:48
Duke 72 10 Bulls team.
00:50:51
Like those mother****ers would they had you beat when they walked into jimmia like that was the greatest season basketball I've ever seen? Sure.
00:51:02
I mean, like, you know, like they were on.
00:51:04
Like, I've never seen a team clicking like that.
00:51:07
I agree.
00:51:08
And they would defensively sick, right and defensively, they lack show as down.
00:51:13
They did whatever they wanted to do.
00:51:14
I just Now don't get me wrong.
00:51:16
It's gonna be about it Wouldn't be no sweet or knows it's going seven games down to the last 30 seconds.
00:51:23
If those two those two teams collapse, I may give the shirt ej two balls.
00:51:30
I I'm not betting against Mike, so yeah, ultimately.
00:51:34
But I just think that at this thing, you gotta have a big man to even neutralize.
00:51:39
Sort of what Mike does even on the event, because their perimeter defense with Pippen and Jordan, you couldn't get **** by, You know, I'm saying, like, the only thing where Houston is they didn't do it when Mike was actually in league, right? They waited till he was kind of out, you know, we took took a hiatus even back 96th And what he didn't play a full season, right? He only played.
00:52:04
He was back a four year.
00:52:06
No, he was.
00:52:07
It was about the 30 games in.
00:52:09
It was a 45 money rock to 45 right e.
00:52:13
I mean, and the foot did y'all see when they said I think Chicago said they had the number one pick did what it took Akeem and and that's That's a smoke that that's still the sound smart, Uh, move.
00:52:25
Would you say Yeah, that time? I mean, it's easy for people to say what that stupid, but no, at that time, if you if you even if you said that now they take a keen and still get two rings, that's I mean, just I will live with that somewhere.
00:52:39
You still you said, and you're even day before and which was Jordan's long time agent and everybody else that's open, he said.
00:52:50
Nobody, not one person I want expert.
00:52:54
Not one person knew Jordan was gonna be who he turned out to be.
00:52:58
A 1000%.
00:52:59
I thought this all times that he was a really good college player.
00:53:03
But should he said, Len Bias was Justus good the thing is how, like James Worthy said Mike got the u. N.
00:53:11
C.
00:53:12
And I knew he was better than me a week later.
00:53:13
So I didn't anybody know.
00:53:14
He was gonna be good to be that if you knew how it But remember, this is still a big raise.
00:53:20
Leaving it was a big man league.
00:53:23
But like, if a weekend to a James Worthy is saying, I can't keep up with this dude and days worthy.
00:53:28
Was James worthy? Yeah.
00:53:31
I mean, because at that time, chop wood What Big, smooth Sam Perkins lonely on Sam Perkins.
00:53:38
We had, uh, James Worthy.
00:53:41
Thank you. Say were snack.
00:53:43
He was Jordan.
00:53:44
Just man.
00:53:45
That ****er just took off college was almost like, uh oh.
00:53:51
He learned fundamentals, but it kind of hindered him.
00:53:54
In a way, Yeah.
00:53:56
I mean, I think they knew he would be good, right? We got picked with third earlier, I think.
00:54:04
I think you know, you go anywhere in the top 35 You know, people expect you to be good, but I don't think they thought he no one thought he was gonna be greatest of all time.
00:54:18
You know what? No one thought he would be anywhere cools today.
00:54:21
And I think you know what the Jordan and now keep in mind is just for comparison.
00:54:29
But it's not on the same level quite.
00:54:32
But it kind of reminds me of like to me, right? I didn't think on the lower level.
00:54:40
I didn't think Vince Carter was gonna be as good as he was when he came into the NBA. Yes.
00:54:47
Yeah.
00:54:48
I thought Vince was just gonna be somebody that could get out of the gym.
00:54:51
And, you know, the havoc you a few flashy dunks or whatever, and that's gonna keep him around for a while.
00:54:58
But Vince actually was like a complete player when he got there.
00:55:02
Sure, sure, I can see that.
00:55:05
We're Jordan too, Like they thought Jordan with his super athletic, to jump out of the gym guy.
00:55:10
But remember, they didn't think he could shoot right? Right? And me And that was his not and, um, any kind of in his athletic ability.
00:55:19
Kind of like it put him on a different plane because it was nobody quite that athletic.
00:55:26
They had the skill set and, you know, the footwork and all of the things that Magic has said it in the dark to like he was able to have.
00:55:35
They been able to put him on a different on the different stratosphere when he got there.
00:55:39
Now, let me ask you, do you think he was more athletic than Dr J? Just athletic? Yes.
00:55:46
Yeah, he's much quicker.
00:55:48
I think Jordan was.
00:55:52
He can't.
00:55:53
He's got a burst, man.
00:55:55
Look at them skills he gets.
00:55:56
He darts in that lane and I'm starting to talk my group with.
00:56:00
But the thing that him and Dr J and even someone like Kobe, Dr J and Michael Jordan's hands are ****ing hear that massive where someone like Kobe doesn't his hand.
00:56:10
Yeah, that gives you such an advantage.
00:56:13
You can't throw the ball Pepsi do **** in the lane.
00:56:17
And even even though my so in a clip, you know, in the clips that they show going until that 97 98 season, even when they played overseas, even when he became a back to the basket Clear basket at that time, Clear, that's Ah, I mean, his burst like going to the lane when he would you know when he will be it's gonna break or whatever.
00:56:39
Like his burst to the basket was still like better than your average player.
00:56:45
So Albert is that quickness, man, and he was just insane, like he's just he's the most beautiful player to ever watch.
00:56:55
Just tow just a watch.
00:56:56
Like he's it, you know, and this whole LeBron.
00:57:01
I know we get this later, but the whole LeBron in Jake think it's not fair to LeBron, really.
00:57:08
I mean, I think I think you can appreciate more than one player.
00:57:12
It doesn't always have to be a This one's better than other.
00:57:15
I think that you can appreciate Magic and Bird and Egg, Man.
00:57:20
They're all great.
00:57:21
They all brought something different to the game at LeBron does as well, and so I think it's it's ridiculous that this back and forth battle all the time.
00:57:28
One thing I did want to mention that jumped out to me in the do***entary, I think is really funny.
00:57:33
That letter he wrote to his mom, and then he said, I only got $20 in my account.
00:57:37
Send someone needs some stamps and now he's a billionaire like that's crazy.
00:57:43
I mean, he asked about the John Motor.
00:57:45
He had other brother wasn't Ronnie.
00:57:48
Why did Jordan was the one that he used to play all the time? Jeffrey.
00:57:54
I mean, um, your business son Dan, What was the other brother he made to the lead? You know, admirable time.
00:58:04
That's the one who used to be the mother.
00:58:05
He's only like, 59 Get up.
00:58:08
It was like he was nasty to you.
00:58:12
Oh, man.
00:58:13
Okay, I can't think of his name, but I did not know that he had the other brother.
00:58:19
That was in the do***entary, Larry.
00:58:22
Very Jordan.
00:58:23
That was the one who used to be the most, uh, get married.
00:58:26
So that's that's what I was telling.
00:58:28
We admit she was watching it and they showed the other brother first.
00:58:31
And I'm like, I didn't I don't know about this dude, but I was waiting to see if they got Larry in.
00:58:36
But I wanted to see him because, you know, I remember story a story about them back in the day when they you know that I that I enjoyed and they talk about Larry be be enjoying that, like, badly.
00:58:51
Like he was nice.
00:58:52
You know what I mean, So I want to see I'm going to see him.
00:58:55
But I did not know that he had the other.
00:58:57
So apparently he has five siblings are right.
00:59:00
I know you know.
00:59:02
You got it. Yeah, and I've heard some.
00:59:04
Well, I'm not going to speculate on it.
00:59:05
I will do that.
00:59:07
What? Well, this was a book of Red.
00:59:09
I want to say it was by rolling Lassen bury you, hasn't he? And he said that there was rumors that Jordan's dad was messing with sister program way.
00:59:26
Don't speculate on Lakers, but it was really It was just It was mean.
00:59:30
But it's impressed.
00:59:31
So but, you know, But, you know, you know nothing about that relationship.
00:59:35
That was I to me who's really should data hold your head Whole dance situation.
00:59:41
Mike, did you notice like the mom was referring to him as Mr Jocelyn Jordan? Yeah.
00:59:47
I don't want to speculate.
00:59:49
I leave that that three something something, though.
00:59:54
I mean, this is back in the day now, So the dagger, This has been a way they did it old school.
01:00:00
Yeah, yeah, but I thought that that kept sticking out to me like she will say, Mr Jordan, I'm like my dish say, Mr Jordan or there she said nickname.
01:00:11
Then they might have called the day the winner.
01:00:13
But I thought I thought that was interesting.
01:00:15
And I didn't know about the dad.
01:00:18
Apparently, they didn't have Michael in his day.
01:00:20
Kind of had a beef.
01:00:24
I don't want tea, but, you know, as a father, son, you just gonna growing up like Mike.
01:00:29
Mike wanted his attention, and he would tell Mike he wasn't ****.
01:00:32
You know that? I didn't know it.
01:00:34
I didn't know it was that that, but Well, this I mean, where else do you get the maniac in my He's a maniac.
01:00:40
Like this do***entary is going to show people.
01:00:44
This guy's is Darth Vader. He's sick.
01:00:48
Yeah.
01:00:49
So I bet his kids hate him too.
01:00:52
No offense. I'm just saying.
01:00:54
So where does a player like my a Kobe get that killer? Because the be that good, You gotta You gotta have a killer.
01:01:03
And you.
01:01:04
And that's what separated them too, from the rest.
01:01:07
Like, you know, they really were stone cold killers out there.
01:01:11
They wanted to be the best, and, you know, and they were very actually.
01:01:18
Everything about it is it was so similar because my said studio the day I walked into in a Chapel Hill, I looked for the best player I went after all.
01:01:28
Assumes I got to the bull that won't look for the best player I went out.
01:01:31
And that's some **** that Kobe did.
01:01:33
I actually think Jordan and Kobe are similar but different.
01:01:41
Kobe still likes people not like people, but he looks He looks to be, uh, to be well received by people and and to actually care about what people think about me is very sensitive.
01:01:57
Michael Jordan is a maniac.
01:02:00
Okay? He is not.
01:02:02
He doesn't care what you think about.
01:02:04
He's the Terminator, remember? They've been terminated. One.
01:02:07
He doesn't care.
01:02:08
He's gonna keep coming at you.
01:02:10
Hey, that got listen that he needs an e v is a psych test.
01:02:15
He's very good at sports, so he gets a pass.
01:02:17
He's a terrible owner, but oh, they're just different, man, I should.
01:02:24
Kobe is a nice guy.
01:02:26
He's sensitive, though.
01:02:28
Well, I think one of the things that separates them is that I think they both were killers on the court I, and I don't think that they're, I think in terms of that it's those two.
01:02:38
And then there's there's not any other player like that on the basketball court.
01:02:43
I think one of the things that separates them off the court is I don't think Mike wants to.
01:02:47
I don't think he cares about being liked.
01:02:48
I do addict with Kobe.
01:02:51
I think you saw once his career start the wind down those last three years or so and then in post retirement, you saw him playing around the younger generation, training them, giving back.
01:03:01
You never see Mike do anything like that.
01:03:03
You saw Kobe inviting these guys like Johannes and even quiet played for that.
01:03:07
You know, the Clippers bring them to the Mamba Sports Academy, a matter fact shadow to the mom or sports academy.
01:03:13
Um, they actually so Kobe selecting for Mama Sports Academy might be the new G League T world these new high school kids will play for, so hopefully that happens.
01:03:24
But Kobe's willingness to give back to the next generation is something that Mike has never been willing to do.
01:03:31
Like Mike, it's almost seems like Mike cut himself off from basketball, even though he's an MBA owner.
01:03:36
When Kobe embraced everybody, Kobe embraced LeBron.
01:03:40
I don't even think Michael embraces LeBron that I was gonna answer that.
01:03:45
What do you think is the economy of their relationship? I don't think they have one, I think.
01:03:52
I mean, look at Kobe's memorial.
01:03:53
Mike talked about how he had to warm up to Kobe.
01:03:57
You know, I'm saying, like I think Mike is Mike, man.
01:04:02
I mean, look, one thing is one thing is this.
01:04:04
Mike is what? Pushing 60 right? 55 at least meaning seven.
01:04:09
So there's a 30 year age gap between him and LeBron like.
01:04:12
True.
01:04:13
So there's there's already that name.
01:04:15
LeBron is like his kid's age, so there's that.
01:04:18
So I think it was easier for him to maybe gravitate towards Kobe because he literally met Kobe while they both were in the N B. A.
01:04:25
And and there's there are a number of similarities between the two, but LeBron, they're just There might not be those similarities.
01:04:32
They just may be too different.
01:04:34
I, 1000% agree, went out there just we're just different personalities and it's LeBron.
01:04:41
The bronze personality is probably way more like magic.
01:04:44
I know what people talk about.
01:04:45
LeBron on the court of personality wise is probably more like magic.
01:04:49
Matter of fact, this has nothing to the do***entary, but I wanted to tell you guys about this.
01:04:54
Magic said that when he first came into the N B A, um, Nike was an upstart company, and they didn't have the money to pay him.
01:05:01
So they offered him stock, and he didn't understand stock at the time.
01:05:06
So he took the cash that converts offered him.
01:05:08
He said he has no idea now how many billions of dollars that Nike stock would be worth, but and that's great, but that, you know, to relate that to the Scottie Pippen issue.
01:05:19
People don't understand.
01:05:20
You don't come from a lot.
01:05:21
Yeah, just gonna take what? What is offered to almost awaiting treat wrappers will give you an advance.
01:05:27
But you're gonna give us all your publisher.
01:05:29
So you know what you mean.
01:05:32
You talked about this earlier.
01:05:33
That was like, obviously the money was different.
01:05:37
But Carmelo get the same thing that Lebron was telling all those guys like go take the four years, take shorter deals, right? I'll take that fifth year, right? All of abuse, and it was the start of the player control.
01:05:53
I feel like that was the moment Bronner got got that started controlling that area right there.
01:05:59
That was the start of players being in control of their destinies at that time, and he told Mellow one of his best friends.
01:06:06
He told me I want to do it Mello said.
01:06:10
Not mellow.
01:06:11
Took the fifth year.
01:06:12
He wanted that extra guarantee.
01:06:13
Getting I was 25 million.
01:06:15
22 million, right? So it's a little different.
01:06:17
Of course, thing with Pippen was going, But you know Mello, who had family in the area, that we're in Baltimore, you know? I mean, like, I need to know.
01:06:28
I got that extra guarantee dough coming in. It's a good feeling.
01:06:32
And it's $2022 million store.
01:06:35
You got a bad move that he made.
01:06:37
And Pippen had 12 siblings.
01:06:40
Yeah, that was a brother that was paralyzed, like Okay, I know that I have seven years of 2.
01:06:49
5 $3 million coming to my coming into my pocket.
01:06:54
And you took the security.
01:06:56
So like, yeah, it was a bad.
01:06:58
I mean, in high school, I was a bad deal.
01:07:01
But when you come from bum crack Arkansas and no offense to anybody, that's listening from Arkansas.
01:07:07
But President Clinton, he's He's listening.
01:07:11
Hey, got that? Colleen got he didn't have Clinton money.
01:07:14
Hey, when he was coming from that rod of money Ellen for you, the first of all him to make it the route that he made it, it was It was so unexpected.
01:07:27
Want to the life, you know, go from the equipment boy Thio people falling off the team.
01:07:34
So you suit up.
01:07:36
You know, you grow 56 inches in the next two years like it's like like come on, you.
01:07:43
And even with that given with that because those type of things happen a lot.
01:07:48
But being from a small school like that is very rare that you found in that time anyway.
01:07:53
Now, with the Internet, you see everybody.
01:07:56
But in that time, people found you find you.
01:07:59
You know what I mean? Like so I'm not I'm not mad at the deal.
01:08:03
I'm not mad at the reason he took the deal.
01:08:05
I met at the deal, but I'm not mad at the reason he took.
01:08:08
If you can tell me, it's sort of like the argument off.
01:08:13
You know, when you have when you're talking with co workers and you say, Yo, if you hit that 600 million Powerball or mega millions, you're gonna take some Are you gonna take the nudie cape? Right? And you got some people Don't say, you know, I'm taking the lumps on, I'm going, I'm gone.
01:08:32
And you got something to say? I'm gonna take the new it because I want to go and I'm gonna get paid this in my amount of money till I die, all my family is gonna be straight until this time so you can't.
01:08:45
You have to look at it that way of my ping Nygren.
01:08:49
I agree it's a U.
01:08:50
But the risk or the money had a guarantee.
01:08:52
And sometimes you bet on yourself, and sometimes you don't.
01:08:57
And and he admitted, you know, I didn't I didn't feel comfortable betting on myself at that time because I could have gotten hurt anything by you, Like I said, a country boy from Arkansas.
01:09:09
And you got somebody that saying, you know, we're gonna give you $18 million right? That's what you see That one ate with the next to it.
01:09:19
You're not seeing the years in front of it, But you're thinking like I've never seen this type of money.
01:09:25
I could never imagine this type of.
01:09:27
Yeah, I got at a host of people to take care of.
01:09:31
I'm gonna be securing that.
01:09:32
And I respect that.
01:09:34
I respect that.
01:09:35
And he turned out okay.
01:09:36
He made 110 million or so many e i and it's gonna It's gonna be interesting to see with these next couple episodes.
01:09:43
Um, what they what they share.
01:09:45
I mean, and look, it's a success.
01:09:47
ESPN head, I think six million viewers for that first episode 5.
01:09:50
3 the 2nd 1 I mean, it's gonna be those same numbers for a do***entary and like my city probably could even Dittemore they do on a Saturday.
01:10:02
You ain't anything You're gonna bump it up hating on Buck that showing time up maybe started at eight instead of nine.
01:10:09
Well, the one that person, right? Yeah, That's why it starts at night.
01:10:14
That's the one, Like it's uncensored, I guess, but But I mean, but even when all this air, they're gonna keep replaying.
01:10:20
So they're going to keep making more and more money, and then they'll probably flip it into a podcast and make money off off the audio.
01:10:27
And then they're gonna I know Netflix, I think, gets it 90 days after it runs.
01:10:32
So it's just it's gonna disinfect the you.
01:10:35
It'll be you always watch it when it comes with.
01:10:38
I want to thank Thank you, gentlemen, for joining me for the re cap.
01:10:42
Hopefully old, you'll join me again after episodes three and four.
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