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they here live on SportsCastr.
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We're gonna be talking about an article that came upon clutch points today from Skylight.
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Carlin called the Jaguar GM argues that the 2020 wide receiver class is comparable to the 2014 group.
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Now, Lords, thanks.
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That is a hell of a comparison.
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When you look at that 2014 group, I mean that first round you had Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell back in junior Brandon cooks, which Okay, I think every year when you look at the first couple of rounds you get you get three or four guys like that.
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But then you add in people like Jarvis Landry into the mix.
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Ah, who was a secondary receiver in that in that draft? Um, who else? I think, uh uh, What's his name from Philly? Alverson was in there.
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You got Alan Robinson? That's a part of it.
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Davante Adams was a part of that draft.
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Looking at this year's current Dr Class, Do you think that it could be somewhat comparable to that 2014 draft? Well, what the depth that they have.
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I mean, you got up to four or five guys that could go in the first round three kind of mid to late, and and then a couple that might end up going late first, early, second, and then you got a ton of, like, five people that could go in the second round.
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You got five more than go in the third round, so yeah, it is quite possible it could be comparable.
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It just we won't know for a couple of years until we get to see how they how they turn out.
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So here's one of the crazy things that I looked at and I wish I'd been.
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Unfortunately, I didn't have the time to put in the full research.
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I wanted to for this stream, but I was trying to find last year's job, our draft board.
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But I I was looking at CBS's his draft board, which is, um, just a standard I used because I try to stay consistent in what I say.
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I know there's draft boards all over the place, but one of the crazy things that I saw in the 1st 100 say top prospects.
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17 of those players are wide receivers, and then I think, like number Yeah, 12 and 81 18 and 1 19 1 21 and 1 28 are wide receivers.
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You know what I mean? So, like in the 1st 130 pics, you're talking over 25 receivers that can go.
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Uh, I was doing ah Patriots seven round mock draft on my on my other stream the other night, and I looked at Van Jefferson who probably would have been a mid second rounder to top second rounder in any other year.
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I think I ended up getting him with the second pick in the third round.
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You? It means you got guys who were top talent players who are dropping to just very reasonable dry.
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I mean, you're talking now a lot of low risk picks for high reward.
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Now you you have we have the big Three, right? CD lamb, Jerry, Judy, Henry, Rog.
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Those are those are the three big boys? Yeah, and I think that every every person who's done any draft ****ysis or anything of that nature, they've all did them to death.
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It's sort of that secondary group of the Justin Jefferson's Thea yuks, the Tea Hagen's you notional and those guys who again was probably would have been last year's first round draft class now falling down to the second round.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I know we gotta wait and see how they develop and and, you know, every year is a crapshoot when it comes to drafting.
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I mean, I even look at the quarterback, draft class and to me, like Joe Borough has draft bust written all over him.
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You know what I mean? When you just look at his whole I'm not.
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I'm not as high on Burrows.
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A lot of people aren't gonna be around.
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The kid could be amazing.
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I'm not hating on him.
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I I don't care what Cincinnati does with their life, you know? So it's not like this is a hater saying I'm just That kid went from zero to hero overnight, and I just struggled to see him as a You know, this franchise quarterback that people are talking about.
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So I know that we could have some surprises in that kind of thing, But I mean, Odell Beckham Jr.
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Jarvis Landry, Mike Evans.
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I mean, these guys are gonna go down.
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Is generational Players were going to be the class of their era.
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Who do you think in this draft outside of the top three as outside a lamb, Judy and rugs.
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Do you think it's sort of mimic what we've seen in 2014? In your opinion, I think there's a couple players depending upon where they land.
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Really.
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I mean, some of these players have specific skill sets that will only work with a certain type.
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Oh, okay, scheme.
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You know, certain type of offensive coordinator and quarterback that throws it to him.
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Now I, like didn't sell men's, but let's say Tea Higgins, for instance.
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He's not gonna burn anybody, But he is one of those guys where if you have a quarterback, let's say, like Philip Rivers, who loves to throw it downfield for your 50 50 balls.
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He's one of those guys that could absolutely blow it up in a system like that.
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But if you try to drop, say, um oh, let me look at here, who we got what, like an eye, you cor ah Hibiscus Channel Junior.
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Kind of your quicker, in my opinion, like Clovis ca, he's he's drawing different comparisons.
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A lot of people think he could be a number one receiver.
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I don't see it personally.
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I see love ISC as more of ah ah, slot receiver, a bigger slot receiver that can, after catching the football can just go with it because of his size and ability, like a running back.
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So you get you get him in a system like the New Orleans Saints.
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You know where you know Drew Brees likes to just dump it off tow guys like he does his regular running backs and watched them take off with it and and create after the catch.
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So it just it really depends upon whether or not these guys go, uh, to schemes that fit them.
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But if they do a lot of these receivers like rugs.
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Well, I'm sorry.
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Work's already going to go.
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He's going to go somewhere that they're looking the burn people down the field.
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But are you Higgins Jefferson, I think, is a pretty good all around option as well.
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Reagor is another one of those guys.
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That is, that was kind of scheme oriented, in my opinion.
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Tyler Johnson.
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A lot of these guys were have a chance, I think, in order to really blow luck if they fall in the right scheme, Yeah, I think scheme and and the talent around them is important.
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I love to make this example with with something guys.
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So, um, just for full awareness for people who don't know me, I'm deep down in New England Patriots fan, even though I cover all football and try to be ****ysis.
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I'm also pretty open about being a Patriots fan.
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And one thing that Patriot fans are still livid over was the Mohammed Sunu trade.
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Now they weren't upset at the time of the trade, but a lot of people are upset by the, you know, he didn't translate into what he didn't become the season saving trade that everybody thought he was gonna turn into.
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And, you know, when they're calling it a busted a trade in the city of Vienna, I try to remind people Mohammed Sunu, when he came to New England, no longer had Julio Jones, right? And when you're playing with a guy like Julio Jones, that puts people like Mohammed Sunu in position to make better plays.
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And even Julian Edelman this year, who still was over 1000 yards, still have 100 receptions that could have a great year.
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But you saw a difference with no Rob Gronkowski, right? Without that big threat on the field, too.
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Zero in on you saw it happen and teams figured it out.
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Okay, we're going to cover Julian Edelman.
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We're gonna cover James White.
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Mohammad Sanu was a little bit exposed as he's probably not a number two.
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He was probably more of a number three or number two on a team that has a Julio Joan, who's again to me.
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I mean, when he was on the all decade team and I had no issues with him being on the all decade team, right? So and I think that's for a lot of these guys.
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But it's gonna be more about who they play with, not just as a quarterback.
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And the Saints is a perfect example because they have a loaded offense.
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So you could put you could put you and I on this team and we would make a couple catches because we're gonna at some point, we're going to get forgotten about you.
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What? I mean, because they're gonna be so busy covering everybody else.
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That's why I look at a guy lake.
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Um, I'm a big fan of KJ Hill out of Ohio state.
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I think he's ranked like 120th prospect or something like that.
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Ah, he's not gonna burn you a speed.
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He's not a great route runner, But when you watch some of the catch is he's made and the strong catches that he can make and the power that he can help our people and the way he uses his body and the adjustments that he makes it his footwork to getting those catches.
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When I look at a guy like him, I'm like, Man, if you put him on a team where he's in one on one coverage the whole time where he doesn't have to worry about getting caught in zone because teams don't want to play zone when you gotta play Oh, Julio Jones or Odell Beckham Jr.
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Or that cause they're gonna burn right through your zone and you're gonna get caught unless you're playing too deep safety.
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Then they're gonna kill you with run game, right? Eso I see you know you put him on a team like New Orleans or even Cleveland that has, you know, now has Austin Hooper into the mixer.
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You got so many people you gotta worry about or you add him in Baltimore with, you know, with with Hollywood, Brown and Lamar and the threats that come out of the out of that backfield within Graham there as well.
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I mean, it's he's gonna be super successful.
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I think if you put him in Denver, who's getting better, But I don't really have the risk.
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In my opinion, the receiver threats of those other teams we mentioned, KJ Hill suddenly kind of looks like a draft bust.
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You what? I mean, because he's he's now being put in his own coverage.
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He's now getting put into double coverage at time, and and he's not being able to execute the way they wanted to.
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An Ohio Ohio State was full of tight ends and receivers.
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You what? I mean, So it was like, All right, no worries.
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He's gonna go up, make the strong catches because you got to play man to man coverage the whole time.
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And then that transition between college football to NFL football is a very it's not as close as some people think.
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You know, like some people think it's is very close comparison.
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It's it's it's night and day, even if you play in the SEC, and if you play in the Big 10 where you're talking, you know, big conferences where a lot of those guys gonna go NFL, you're still going up against Guys will never get a sniff of the National Football League, you know, and they could make you look a lot better.
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Um, so, yeah, No, I agree.
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I think it's it's it's not necessary, especially with wide receiver.
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It doesn't come down to to how good the player is.
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It's where they go unless your possibly a CD lamb, you know, or a rugs who could just burn the field and you're not gonna catch in many ways.
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You know, the Antonio Brown's The Randy Moss is You put him on any team with any quarterback they're gonna be, you know they're gonna be decent.
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I was watching a thing yester I did a stream yesterday, talking about Terrell Owens and Buffalo.
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What? He loved playing with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
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You know, I think only guys like Terrell Owens would say that, because even though he was at the end of his career, he's still Terrell Owens.
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He's still a Hall of Famer.
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He still, you know, he's still better than your average receiver.
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Um, but that handful of guys who can play with anybody is there's only a handful of those those people.
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You mean the rest of them are all the supporting cast.
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I mean, look, I know that your you follow indie.
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I mean, that team last year was was really a team of supporting casts.
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You mean played very well together.
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But you could see a time when they really had to rely on that running game because Jacoby just wasn't you.
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What? I mean, getting the job done as the quarterback, making those players better, you know? So so you know, I agree.
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I mean, it looks like a good class.
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It's deep we for heard that for what? Like like the last two years, that it's been a deep class? Um, I've never I don't remember looking at a top 1 50 pick, and they're being the other 1 50 picks, and they're being almost 30 wide receivers in the draft.
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So I think on paper we could be looking at a team that Yeah, I mean this Or we could be looking a draft class that is comparable to 2014.
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Yeah, I think so, too.
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Except, like I said earlier, you wouldn't have known the 2014 draft class was gonna be.
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There's a couple guys Mike Avon's Odell Beckham who made Splash plays there rookie year.
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And they were like, Oh my God, these guys are gonna be monsters in the NFL.
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Um, there might be two of those in this draft that that will end up doing that.
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But generally speaking, anything wider, Any wide receiver coming out of college, there is a time period where they have to adjust.
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Like you said, 90 day between college in the NFL, they gotta work on speed of the NFL in and different playbooks.
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And obviously, you know, the the guys they're playing against on defense, the level is so much higher, they gotta work on their route running.
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A lot of these guys don't understand route running and that are coming out of college because they never had to.
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They get natural athleticism and ability.
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Right? Um, but what you get to the NFL, you're going up against corner backs and safeties every play that were the best on the teams that you were playing against in college you know, so Ah, lot of these receivers, even though we're looking at him like a Tea Higgins or a men's or Pittman junior or someone like that, um, they might look good, might come out and you know, the second or third round and think, Well, they could have been first and second rounds like you said earlier, but it's gonna take him a while to adjust to the NFL level.
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And by the second year, that's when you'll start seeing the cream of the crop start to separate themselves from the rest of the group.
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No, I agree with here.
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So I did manage to pull up here a top 100 draft prospect from 2014 and this was made by Mike May, our current GM of the Las Vegas Raiders.
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And, yeah, the 2014 I'm looking at.
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These top 120 14 draft class was not showing.
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It was gonna be the best draft class, probably ever for receiver, right? So I'm looking at it here.
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Number one Sammy Watkins was the number one ranked receiver.
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He was the fourth overall draft prospects.
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Odell Beckham Jr was the second at 17 Brandin cooks was the third at 21.
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And then you had Marqise Lee, who came in at 28th overall.
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And I mean, he's okay.
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He's a decent receiver, right? I mean, I wouldn't I don't put him in the cream of the crop.
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I don't know about you.
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Maybe I'm, uh I think he's more of 1/3 round pick if you go back and look at him again.
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Yeah.
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When you redo it and then I mean and then after this, like Cody, lad Emir is number 50.
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Overall, he's the fifth best perceive er in the draft.
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Davante Adams is at 52 Jarvis Landry's at 57 like and then and then that's it.
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Like it's like I'm struggling.
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Tow Alan Robinson was number 77 77.
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Best in the country.
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Bruce Ellington.
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Martavis Bryant Like these air, not guys That that I'm looking at is, you know, Dante Moncrief was the 95th overall.
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He's probably the fifth best receiver out of that draft, you know, like when you look at it, so, yeah, I mean, it's tough, and this board did not I mean, this board look like a very defensive, heavy sort.
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Uh, draft board.
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When I'm looking at an offensive tackles, it's, um you know what? I'm laughing at some of the names now.
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Like now that we know things like Eric Ebron was the eighth was ranked eighth biggest prospect in the country.
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And listen, I'm a fan of a bronze because he helped me win my fantasy pull two years ago because he had that outstanding year with Andrew Luck.
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But he looked to me.
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He got a little bit exposed, um, last season.
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And then, of course, the injuries.
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But, I mean, I'm also just reading some of these names, and you can also see just how you know.
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I mean, you had the obvious this clearly, Mac was number one.
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You're saving Clowney number two.
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So it's like, Okay, I get that.
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But I'm looking some of these other names in these top fifties and I'm going Oh, yeah, like this is Ah, this is why drafting is such a crapshoot because there's guys that first all these guys here have never heard of before.
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And then there's other guys where I'm like like oh my God, Like he was a top 100.
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This guy was a top 100.
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This guy's a top 100 you know, Um I mean, Devante Freeman who? It was the 78th when he was probably the 12th or 13th best pick out of that draft, you know? So it's, I don't know, It's it's a little nostalgic for me, too.
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Sometimes.
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Go back and be like, Wow, that's where they had these guys ranked.
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And then you you know, you fast forward to this this new draft board and you've got three guys in the top 20.
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There was only one top receiver.
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There was only one receiver in the top 20 in 2014 right? So it's, you know, and and I guess you're right like, Is this really a year where they are? Are the overvaluing talent or is it just a really good class? And and that's the thing.
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And this is there's gonna be a lot of disappointed fan bases in a year to two years when guys who they got taken in the first round, early seconds that they thought were going to be these explosive players, um, that are gonna work out because I thought last year's draft class on paper was a great draft class, you know? And really, I mean, a couple of guys came through buddy there in San Francisco, you know, Hollywood had an okay season to kill hair.
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You look like a draft bust last year, you know, for the Patriots Brown.
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So I mean, it's it's, um yeah, it's a crapshoot. I agree.
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I think that it's too early now to say that this could be comparable to 2014 year, considering it's not already comparable because they didn't even have that year is as a great draft here, right? Yeah, well, also, you know, as you used just sitting there going through all this list of names, there's going to be named in this draft that, you know, May Ock and all them that have made their top 100 list.
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That's just one person doing.
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They're scouting.
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Every team has multiple scouts, you know, with their GM.
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And they're going over over these scouting right there.
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They've been hammering it.
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So there's gonna be times when you're gonna look and be like, Why did this team distract this player? I'm very heard of this player, and yet he's gonna end up turning out to be a really good player or you're gonna have other team's draft.
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Like you say, you might end up getting Jerry Judy, and he ends up being a bust, You know, you don't know.
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It depends upon what team they go to.
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Depends upon how good he fits with scheme.
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It depends upon, um how deep did they go into this? Their personality.
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Do they fit in the locker room? You know, that can affect their play on the field.
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Um, their own work ethic, obviously can can also make a huge outcome in you know, how they end up being in the NFL NFL.
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So it just really depends.
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Uh, there's so many different things that you have toe well put together when drafting somebody.
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And no matter what other people say, no matter what other people our listing different draft picks at you gotta go buy your own gut feeling and your own work When it comes to something like this.
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Yeah, and And I'm with you.
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Ah, Lawrence, you're kind of hacking up a little bit on me.
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Here I stand.
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I'm seeing the same thing with you as well.
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Great.
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Okay.
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Um well, I guess we'll find out on Ah, I guess we'll find out on the 23rd.
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Uh, what teams actually think of their receivers? Ah.
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Do you have anything to add before we wrap this up? Well, no, I'm just really excited about about this draft.
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I'm gonna be really interested in watching this this whole online thing that the NFL and all the other teams are going to be going about with a CZ.
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Well, so this is gonna be interesting.
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And I think I just lost you.
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Yeah, I'm here by myself.
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And there we are.
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Your back fun right out. Sorry about that.
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Oh, that's not a problem.
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Not a problem. I understand.
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Yeah.
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Really excited.
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I want to see how the NFL really works.
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Works with this, Especially when it comes with the trades.
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You know, I mean, because it's supposed to be a five minute limit, but if there's a trade that could take longer, right, So we'll see how that ends up working out.
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I'm really excited to see where some of these teams that are wide receiver needy, like the Indianapolis Colts.
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Possibly the Patriots see who they end up. Grab it.
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You know, because like you say, I have a lot to do.
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A scheme? Ah, player that will fit on my team may not work out on your team, and vice versa.
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No, I 100% agree.
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It's going to be a It's going to be an interesting go.
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It's going to be interesting to know I'm waiting.
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I wonder if Roger Goodell will start hacking up like we just wear it right.
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And maybe he gets I would love that With the first pick of the 2020 NFL draft, he just get knocked out of the stream.
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You forge over four job.
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Earl has to wait.
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All right, Lawrence, thanks for doing this with me.
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I really appreciate it.
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And Ah, I know you got some more work you got to do today.
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So enjoy.
00:23:21
Uh, guys, make sure you check out Lawrence on coleslaw, makes you check the other DP and sports talk and makes you check out sportscast every day to get all your sports needs.
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All right, Lawrence. Thank you, man.
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Take care.
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Jaguars GM argues 2020 WR class is comparable to 2014 group

This year’s draft class of wide receivers is littered with talent, causing some to compare it to some of the best classes in years past. Ahead of the 2020 NFL Draft, Jacksonville Jaguars GM, Dave Caldwell, believes the 2020 wide receiver class is comparable to the historic one in 2014. Back in the 2014 NFL […]

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they here live on SportsCastr.
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We're gonna be talking about an article that came upon clutch points today from Skylight.
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Carlin called the Jaguar GM argues that the 2020 wide receiver class is comparable to the 2014 group.
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Now, Lords, thanks.
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That is a hell of a comparison.
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When you look at that 2014 group, I mean that first round you had Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell back in junior Brandon cooks, which Okay, I think every year when you look at the first couple of rounds you get you get three or four guys like that.
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But then you add in people like Jarvis Landry into the mix.
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Ah, who was a secondary receiver in that in that draft? Um, who else? I think, uh uh, What's his name from Philly? Alverson was in there.
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You got Alan Robinson? That's a part of it.
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Davante Adams was a part of that draft.
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Looking at this year's current Dr Class, Do you think that it could be somewhat comparable to that 2014 draft? Well, what the depth that they have.
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I mean, you got up to four or five guys that could go in the first round three kind of mid to late, and and then a couple that might end up going late first, early, second, and then you got a ton of, like, five people that could go in the second round.
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You got five more than go in the third round, so yeah, it is quite possible it could be comparable.
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It just we won't know for a couple of years until we get to see how they how they turn out.
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So here's one of the crazy things that I looked at and I wish I'd been.
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Unfortunately, I didn't have the time to put in the full research.
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I wanted to for this stream, but I was trying to find last year's job, our draft board.
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But I I was looking at CBS's his draft board, which is, um, just a standard I used because I try to stay consistent in what I say.
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I know there's draft boards all over the place, but one of the crazy things that I saw in the 1st 100 say top prospects.
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17 of those players are wide receivers, and then I think, like number Yeah, 12 and 81 18 and 1 19 1 21 and 1 28 are wide receivers.
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You know what I mean? So, like in the 1st 130 pics, you're talking over 25 receivers that can go.
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Uh, I was doing ah Patriots seven round mock draft on my on my other stream the other night, and I looked at Van Jefferson who probably would have been a mid second rounder to top second rounder in any other year.
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I think I ended up getting him with the second pick in the third round.
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You? It means you got guys who were top talent players who are dropping to just very reasonable dry.
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I mean, you're talking now a lot of low risk picks for high reward.
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Now you you have we have the big Three, right? CD lamb, Jerry, Judy, Henry, Rog.
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Those are those are the three big boys? Yeah, and I think that every every person who's done any draft ****ysis or anything of that nature, they've all did them to death.
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It's sort of that secondary group of the Justin Jefferson's Thea yuks, the Tea Hagen's you notional and those guys who again was probably would have been last year's first round draft class now falling down to the second round.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I know we gotta wait and see how they develop and and, you know, every year is a crapshoot when it comes to drafting.
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I mean, I even look at the quarterback, draft class and to me, like Joe Borough has draft bust written all over him.
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You know what I mean? When you just look at his whole I'm not.
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I'm not as high on Burrows.
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A lot of people aren't gonna be around.
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The kid could be amazing.
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I'm not hating on him.
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I I don't care what Cincinnati does with their life, you know? So it's not like this is a hater saying I'm just That kid went from zero to hero overnight, and I just struggled to see him as a You know, this franchise quarterback that people are talking about.
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So I know that we could have some surprises in that kind of thing, But I mean, Odell Beckham Jr.
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Jarvis Landry, Mike Evans.
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I mean, these guys are gonna go down.
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Is generational Players were going to be the class of their era.
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Who do you think in this draft outside of the top three as outside a lamb, Judy and rugs.
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Do you think it's sort of mimic what we've seen in 2014? In your opinion, I think there's a couple players depending upon where they land.
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Really.
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I mean, some of these players have specific skill sets that will only work with a certain type.
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Oh, okay, scheme.
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You know, certain type of offensive coordinator and quarterback that throws it to him.
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Now I, like didn't sell men's, but let's say Tea Higgins, for instance.
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He's not gonna burn anybody, But he is one of those guys where if you have a quarterback, let's say, like Philip Rivers, who loves to throw it downfield for your 50 50 balls.
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He's one of those guys that could absolutely blow it up in a system like that.
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But if you try to drop, say, um oh, let me look at here, who we got what, like an eye, you cor ah Hibiscus Channel Junior.
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Kind of your quicker, in my opinion, like Clovis ca, he's he's drawing different comparisons.
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A lot of people think he could be a number one receiver.
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I don't see it personally.
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I see love ISC as more of ah ah, slot receiver, a bigger slot receiver that can, after catching the football can just go with it because of his size and ability, like a running back.
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So you get you get him in a system like the New Orleans Saints.
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You know where you know Drew Brees likes to just dump it off tow guys like he does his regular running backs and watched them take off with it and and create after the catch.
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So it just it really depends upon whether or not these guys go, uh, to schemes that fit them.
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But if they do a lot of these receivers like rugs.
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Well, I'm sorry.
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Work's already going to go.
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He's going to go somewhere that they're looking the burn people down the field.
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But are you Higgins Jefferson, I think, is a pretty good all around option as well.
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Reagor is another one of those guys.
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That is, that was kind of scheme oriented, in my opinion.
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Tyler Johnson.
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A lot of these guys were have a chance, I think, in order to really blow luck if they fall in the right scheme, Yeah, I think scheme and and the talent around them is important.
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I love to make this example with with something guys.
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So, um, just for full awareness for people who don't know me, I'm deep down in New England Patriots fan, even though I cover all football and try to be ****ysis.
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I'm also pretty open about being a Patriots fan.
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And one thing that Patriot fans are still livid over was the Mohammed Sunu trade.
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Now they weren't upset at the time of the trade, but a lot of people are upset by the, you know, he didn't translate into what he didn't become the season saving trade that everybody thought he was gonna turn into.
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And, you know, when they're calling it a busted a trade in the city of Vienna, I try to remind people Mohammed Sunu, when he came to New England, no longer had Julio Jones, right? And when you're playing with a guy like Julio Jones, that puts people like Mohammed Sunu in position to make better plays.
00:07:43
And even Julian Edelman this year, who still was over 1000 yards, still have 100 receptions that could have a great year.
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But you saw a difference with no Rob Gronkowski, right? Without that big threat on the field, too.
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Zero in on you saw it happen and teams figured it out.
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Okay, we're going to cover Julian Edelman.
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We're gonna cover James White.
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Mohammad Sanu was a little bit exposed as he's probably not a number two.
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He was probably more of a number three or number two on a team that has a Julio Joan, who's again to me.
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I mean, when he was on the all decade team and I had no issues with him being on the all decade team, right? So and I think that's for a lot of these guys.
00:08:24
But it's gonna be more about who they play with, not just as a quarterback.
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And the Saints is a perfect example because they have a loaded offense.
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So you could put you could put you and I on this team and we would make a couple catches because we're gonna at some point, we're going to get forgotten about you.
00:08:39
What? I mean, because they're gonna be so busy covering everybody else.
00:08:42
That's why I look at a guy lake.
00:08:44
Um, I'm a big fan of KJ Hill out of Ohio state.
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I think he's ranked like 120th prospect or something like that.
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Ah, he's not gonna burn you a speed.
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He's not a great route runner, But when you watch some of the catch is he's made and the strong catches that he can make and the power that he can help our people and the way he uses his body and the adjustments that he makes it his footwork to getting those catches.
00:09:09
When I look at a guy like him, I'm like, Man, if you put him on a team where he's in one on one coverage the whole time where he doesn't have to worry about getting caught in zone because teams don't want to play zone when you gotta play Oh, Julio Jones or Odell Beckham Jr.
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Or that cause they're gonna burn right through your zone and you're gonna get caught unless you're playing too deep safety.
00:09:27
Then they're gonna kill you with run game, right? Eso I see you know you put him on a team like New Orleans or even Cleveland that has, you know, now has Austin Hooper into the mixer.
00:09:37
You got so many people you gotta worry about or you add him in Baltimore with, you know, with with Hollywood, Brown and Lamar and the threats that come out of the out of that backfield within Graham there as well.
00:09:49
I mean, it's he's gonna be super successful.
00:09:53
I think if you put him in Denver, who's getting better, But I don't really have the risk.
00:09:59
In my opinion, the receiver threats of those other teams we mentioned, KJ Hill suddenly kind of looks like a draft bust.
00:10:06
You what? I mean, because he's he's now being put in his own coverage.
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He's now getting put into double coverage at time, and and he's not being able to execute the way they wanted to.
00:10:16
An Ohio Ohio State was full of tight ends and receivers.
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You what? I mean, So it was like, All right, no worries.
00:10:23
He's gonna go up, make the strong catches because you got to play man to man coverage the whole time.
00:10:27
And then that transition between college football to NFL football is a very it's not as close as some people think.
00:10:36
You know, like some people think it's is very close comparison.
00:10:39
It's it's it's night and day, even if you play in the SEC, and if you play in the Big 10 where you're talking, you know, big conferences where a lot of those guys gonna go NFL, you're still going up against Guys will never get a sniff of the National Football League, you know, and they could make you look a lot better.
00:10:56
Um, so, yeah, No, I agree.
00:10:57
I think it's it's it's not necessary, especially with wide receiver.
00:11:01
It doesn't come down to to how good the player is.
00:11:06
It's where they go unless your possibly a CD lamb, you know, or a rugs who could just burn the field and you're not gonna catch in many ways.
00:11:15
You know, the Antonio Brown's The Randy Moss is You put him on any team with any quarterback they're gonna be, you know they're gonna be decent.
00:11:21
I was watching a thing yester I did a stream yesterday, talking about Terrell Owens and Buffalo.
00:11:26
What? He loved playing with Ryan Fitzpatrick.
00:11:28
You know, I think only guys like Terrell Owens would say that, because even though he was at the end of his career, he's still Terrell Owens.
00:11:34
He's still a Hall of Famer.
00:11:35
He still, you know, he's still better than your average receiver.
00:11:39
Um, but that handful of guys who can play with anybody is there's only a handful of those those people.
00:11:46
You mean the rest of them are all the supporting cast.
00:11:49
I mean, look, I know that your you follow indie.
00:11:53
I mean, that team last year was was really a team of supporting casts.
00:11:57
You mean played very well together.
00:12:00
But you could see a time when they really had to rely on that running game because Jacoby just wasn't you.
00:12:07
What? I mean, getting the job done as the quarterback, making those players better, you know? So so you know, I agree.
00:12:17
I mean, it looks like a good class.
00:12:19
It's deep we for heard that for what? Like like the last two years, that it's been a deep class? Um, I've never I don't remember looking at a top 1 50 pick, and they're being the other 1 50 picks, and they're being almost 30 wide receivers in the draft.
00:12:36
So I think on paper we could be looking at a team that Yeah, I mean this Or we could be looking a draft class that is comparable to 2014.
00:12:45
Yeah, I think so, too.
00:12:47
Except, like I said earlier, you wouldn't have known the 2014 draft class was gonna be.
00:12:56
There's a couple guys Mike Avon's Odell Beckham who made Splash plays there rookie year.
00:13:02
And they were like, Oh my God, these guys are gonna be monsters in the NFL.
00:13:07
Um, there might be two of those in this draft that that will end up doing that.
00:13:12
But generally speaking, anything wider, Any wide receiver coming out of college, there is a time period where they have to adjust.
00:13:22
Like you said, 90 day between college in the NFL, they gotta work on speed of the NFL in and different playbooks.
00:13:32
And obviously, you know, the the guys they're playing against on defense, the level is so much higher, they gotta work on their route running.
00:13:41
A lot of these guys don't understand route running and that are coming out of college because they never had to.
00:13:47
They get natural athleticism and ability.
00:13:50
Right? Um, but what you get to the NFL, you're going up against corner backs and safeties every play that were the best on the teams that you were playing against in college you know, so Ah, lot of these receivers, even though we're looking at him like a Tea Higgins or a men's or Pittman junior or someone like that, um, they might look good, might come out and you know, the second or third round and think, Well, they could have been first and second rounds like you said earlier, but it's gonna take him a while to adjust to the NFL level.
00:14:31
And by the second year, that's when you'll start seeing the cream of the crop start to separate themselves from the rest of the group.
00:14:41
No, I agree with here.
00:14:42
So I did manage to pull up here a top 100 draft prospect from 2014 and this was made by Mike May, our current GM of the Las Vegas Raiders.
00:14:54
And, yeah, the 2014 I'm looking at.
00:14:57
These top 120 14 draft class was not showing.
00:15:01
It was gonna be the best draft class, probably ever for receiver, right? So I'm looking at it here.
00:15:05
Number one Sammy Watkins was the number one ranked receiver.
00:15:08
He was the fourth overall draft prospects.
00:15:12
Odell Beckham Jr was the second at 17 Brandin cooks was the third at 21.
00:15:20
And then you had Marqise Lee, who came in at 28th overall.
00:15:27
And I mean, he's okay.
00:15:30
He's a decent receiver, right? I mean, I wouldn't I don't put him in the cream of the crop.
00:15:35
I don't know about you.
00:15:36
Maybe I'm, uh I think he's more of 1/3 round pick if you go back and look at him again.
00:15:41
Yeah.
00:15:42
When you redo it and then I mean and then after this, like Cody, lad Emir is number 50.
00:15:47
Overall, he's the fifth best perceive er in the draft.
00:15:51
Davante Adams is at 52 Jarvis Landry's at 57 like and then and then that's it.
00:16:00
Like it's like I'm struggling.
00:16:01
Tow Alan Robinson was number 77 77.
00:16:05
Best in the country.
00:16:06
Bruce Ellington.
00:16:09
Martavis Bryant Like these air, not guys That that I'm looking at is, you know, Dante Moncrief was the 95th overall.
00:16:18
He's probably the fifth best receiver out of that draft, you know, like when you look at it, so, yeah, I mean, it's tough, and this board did not I mean, this board look like a very defensive, heavy sort.
00:16:29
Uh, draft board.
00:16:31
When I'm looking at an offensive tackles, it's, um you know what? I'm laughing at some of the names now.
00:16:36
Like now that we know things like Eric Ebron was the eighth was ranked eighth biggest prospect in the country.
00:16:43
And listen, I'm a fan of a bronze because he helped me win my fantasy pull two years ago because he had that outstanding year with Andrew Luck.
00:16:49
But he looked to me.
00:16:50
He got a little bit exposed, um, last season.
00:16:54
And then, of course, the injuries.
00:16:56
But, I mean, I'm also just reading some of these names, and you can also see just how you know.
00:17:02
I mean, you had the obvious this clearly, Mac was number one.
00:17:04
You're saving Clowney number two.
00:17:06
So it's like, Okay, I get that.
00:17:07
But I'm looking some of these other names in these top fifties and I'm going Oh, yeah, like this is Ah, this is why drafting is such a crapshoot because there's guys that first all these guys here have never heard of before.
00:17:19
And then there's other guys where I'm like like oh my God, Like he was a top 100.
00:17:24
This guy was a top 100.
00:17:26
This guy's a top 100 you know, Um I mean, Devante Freeman who? It was the 78th when he was probably the 12th or 13th best pick out of that draft, you know? So it's, I don't know, It's it's a little nostalgic for me, too.
00:17:43
Sometimes.
00:17:44
Go back and be like, Wow, that's where they had these guys ranked.
00:17:46
And then you you know, you fast forward to this this new draft board and you've got three guys in the top 20.
00:17:54
There was only one top receiver.
00:17:56
There was only one receiver in the top 20 in 2014 right? So it's, you know, and and I guess you're right like, Is this really a year where they are? Are the overvaluing talent or is it just a really good class? And and that's the thing.
00:18:12
And this is there's gonna be a lot of disappointed fan bases in a year to two years when guys who they got taken in the first round, early seconds that they thought were going to be these explosive players, um, that are gonna work out because I thought last year's draft class on paper was a great draft class, you know? And really, I mean, a couple of guys came through buddy there in San Francisco, you know, Hollywood had an okay season to kill hair.
00:18:39
You look like a draft bust last year, you know, for the Patriots Brown.
00:18:43
So I mean, it's it's, um yeah, it's a crapshoot. I agree.
00:18:49
I think that it's too early now to say that this could be comparable to 2014 year, considering it's not already comparable because they didn't even have that year is as a great draft here, right? Yeah, well, also, you know, as you used just sitting there going through all this list of names, there's going to be named in this draft that, you know, May Ock and all them that have made their top 100 list.
00:19:17
That's just one person doing.
00:19:20
They're scouting.
00:19:22
Every team has multiple scouts, you know, with their GM.
00:19:27
And they're going over over these scouting right there.
00:19:30
They've been hammering it.
00:19:32
So there's gonna be times when you're gonna look and be like, Why did this team distract this player? I'm very heard of this player, and yet he's gonna end up turning out to be a really good player or you're gonna have other team's draft.
00:19:49
Like you say, you might end up getting Jerry Judy, and he ends up being a bust, You know, you don't know.
00:19:57
It depends upon what team they go to.
00:19:58
Depends upon how good he fits with scheme.
00:20:01
It depends upon, um how deep did they go into this? Their personality.
00:20:10
Do they fit in the locker room? You know, that can affect their play on the field.
00:20:15
Um, their own work ethic, obviously can can also make a huge outcome in you know, how they end up being in the NFL NFL.
00:20:27
So it just really depends.
00:20:29
Uh, there's so many different things that you have toe well put together when drafting somebody.
00:20:35
And no matter what other people say, no matter what other people our listing different draft picks at you gotta go buy your own gut feeling and your own work When it comes to something like this.
00:20:56
Yeah, and And I'm with you.
00:20:59
Ah, Lawrence, you're kind of hacking up a little bit on me.
00:21:01
Here I stand.
00:21:03
I'm seeing the same thing with you as well.
00:21:05
Great.
00:21:07
Okay.
00:21:08
Um well, I guess we'll find out on Ah, I guess we'll find out on the 23rd.
00:21:16
Uh, what teams actually think of their receivers? Ah.
00:21:20
Do you have anything to add before we wrap this up? Well, no, I'm just really excited about about this draft.
00:21:29
I'm gonna be really interested in watching this this whole online thing that the NFL and all the other teams are going to be going about with a CZ.
00:21:37
Well, so this is gonna be interesting.
00:21:39
And I think I just lost you.
00:21:44
Yeah, I'm here by myself.
00:21:58
And there we are.
00:21:59
Your back fun right out. Sorry about that.
00:22:02
Oh, that's not a problem.
00:22:03
Not a problem. I understand.
00:22:04
Yeah.
00:22:05
Really excited.
00:22:06
I want to see how the NFL really works.
00:22:09
Works with this, Especially when it comes with the trades.
00:22:14
You know, I mean, because it's supposed to be a five minute limit, but if there's a trade that could take longer, right, So we'll see how that ends up working out.
00:22:25
I'm really excited to see where some of these teams that are wide receiver needy, like the Indianapolis Colts.
00:22:32
Possibly the Patriots see who they end up. Grab it.
00:22:36
You know, because like you say, I have a lot to do.
00:22:40
A scheme? Ah, player that will fit on my team may not work out on your team, and vice versa.
00:22:47
No, I 100% agree.
00:22:49
It's going to be a It's going to be an interesting go.
00:22:52
It's going to be interesting to know I'm waiting.
00:22:55
I wonder if Roger Goodell will start hacking up like we just wear it right.
00:23:00
And maybe he gets I would love that With the first pick of the 2020 NFL draft, he just get knocked out of the stream.
00:23:06
You forge over four job.
00:23:11
Earl has to wait.
00:23:12
All right, Lawrence, thanks for doing this with me.
00:23:14
I really appreciate it.
00:23:16
And Ah, I know you got some more work you got to do today.
00:23:20
So enjoy.
00:23:21
Uh, guys, make sure you check out Lawrence on coleslaw, makes you check the other DP and sports talk and makes you check out sportscast every day to get all your sports needs.
00:23:28
All right, Lawrence. Thank you, man.
00:23:30
Take care.
00:23:31
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