actually back live talking n ba action.
We come in with you can you can make moves.
You can change teams, but you can't get away from the speculation about why you did what you did on why you are who you are, right? So Ah, Kevin Durant.
Little bit of conversation around Steve Kerr and his his thoughts on why Cady ultimately chose to leave the Golden State Warriors.
That's why we we pick up this conversation, say I'll go to Yuki first.
Is any team better without Kevin Durant? That's kind of the speculation of this falls into is what was the fallout from Kevin Durant leaving? And where does Golden State find themselves afterwards? Absolutely not.
Uh, every team is better with Kevin Durant, from the Texas Longhorns to the Seattle SuperSonics to the Oklahoma City Thunder to the Warriors of Brooklyn Nets.
We've got three Brooklyn, that's podcast host.
We got Nets talking.
That's boo guys, I'm sure we'll all defend Katie somewhat me personally.
Back when Katie made that decision, I hated Katie.
I have since scrub my twitter of all the k d hate.
I remember I had a a pair of Katie sevens and I literally gave them away because I'm like, I can't be seen when Kevin Durant shoes like when he made that decision to go from O.
C to the Warriors, I abandoned ship Kevin Durant with one of my favorite players.
Well, we're tweeting sneak emojis and cupcake emotions.
Keith, get to that level where you know, And I could tell you cause I I obviously scrub my twitter.
Last summer when he became a net, I wasn't one of the guys using the snake motives or the cupcakes, but I was expressing my, I guess, discussed for him doing that.
You can't beat him. Join something.
Now we're talking about whether the warriors were better or not with him.
They did win one without him, But that team, as constructed with Katie, Steph Clay like that was one of the best teams we ever saw in the MBA.
73 9 didn't get it done, but the warriors were better with Katie afternoon.
I'd be hard pressed.
Thio have find anyone that would disagree with the idea of if you have one of the top two or three players in the n b.
A on your roster and then you don't have many more.
To me, you can never be a better team without him.
You can go down the road of, of where you spend free agency money and the team overall in having a quality group of players.
But in a league built on the superstar talent, it seems like that's a no brainer.
It Brian, If you want to disagree, you can feel free.
But the real kind of the follow up to it is Steve Kerr basically said his time and go state came to a close after he accomplished what he wanted to there and wanted to do something different to you.
Do you usually think that's all there is to it? Or any of this kind of background chatter around issues that he maybe had with some players on the roster and how people end up in fan bases, end up looking at players that make a move like that? And somehow it's a It's a synopsis on who they are.
As a person writes, it seems maybe want to do something different, so want to go somewhere else and have a different experience.
Yeah, I mean, I just feel bad that that's so This book comes out. Ethan Stress Book.
I'm sure it's great.
Everyone go get it. You know, shut up Teeth and Strauss.
Um, but it's still it seems to me that the media is maybe unduly obsessed with this decision.
I think it might happen.
This might be a personal bias because it could have something to do with the fact that he went to the Brooklyn, the lowly Brooklyn Nets versus any other team.
And they're trying to figure out why, exactly did that happen? How is it the Kevin Durant left for, uh, one of the lower tier franchises in basketball? Um, I don't think that it's, I mean, like, it's like a Steve Kerr says.
They had issues. Everyone has issues.
When you're playing a lot of Basque altogether and winning championships and you go through a lot of the course of the season and makes a lot of sense that Kevin Durant and specifically dream on Green and a lot of issues like that checks out to me.
Um, the I think that it's like it's a really interesting situation that that so Kevin Dorian could never be the star of that team in the way that he would never, ever get enough credit.
Doesn't seem that complicated to me that he would want to leave after a certain amount of time.
He won his championships and then he's gonna move on.
And that ultimately comes down to Steph Curry, obviously one of the one of the better talents in the N B.
Is that something? You just think that fan base can never get over Keith of we have our quote, homegrown talent, and we're always gonna rank him above you.
Doesn't matter how much you contribute.
And we won championships prior to you coming here.
So they always have that little extra elevation in terms of who we are with.
But before you and who we are, we can be after you, right? Yes, step is their guy.
They drafted him and he got to play in that other era of the Warriors a little bit.
And we didn't know he was Steph Curry when he first came in.
And then he was a part of a Mark Jackson Jackson squad.
He was a part of the squad that we have seeing be a dynasty now and he was just on a podcast not long ago, where they asked him what his favorite championship was.
And he said the first and the 1st 1 was without Katie.
Um, Dreamin was another one that pushed the narrative.
Everyone one without should we don't need you.
I think the Bay Area I think the media in the Bay Area step is their guy.
I think you know, when they when they got Durant, it was like, Great, You got one of the best players in the world.
But they always had that.
We didn't really need him.
We did without him.
Um, and I never felt like they fully embraced Katie.
I know Katie felt like the bay brought him in, but in his time there, there was so much scrutiny.
He even said they were kissing steps ass, and it's like, Yeah, they're gonna kiss the ass of there.
I think they picked him.
Eight overall is their number one pick.
They got to watch this guy grow into the superstar that he's become.
And not just a super superstar has become one of the generational talents we've seen that has transformed the n B A.
So there's way more pride in him.
Katie playing for two teams before the Warriors and then knowing he was gonna leave, I swear as soon as he popped his Achilles in the finals last year, that was to me when he wrote his ticket out of there.
If they were, you know, if they were, then we're gonna win that Siri's.
But if they were toe get a healthy Katie and somehow make that serious competitive, I thought that would have left a little bit more of a window for him to stay.
But once you know, the narrative came that the words pushed him into that situation that he wasn't ready.
I think that's when he pretty much was like, I'm I'm out of here And I opened up the doors for us in Brooklyn, which is great.
I was gonna say, By the way, uh, I'm ready to pucker up.
If Katie plans on Bringing Champion to Brooklyn was a much different scenario for Nets fans talking about going somewhere where they've already done it.
And now we feel that we have a chance, you know, todo decline that mountain of kid.
He's the guy that does it for us.
he gets to sit back and just listen.
He could go down as one of the greatest nights of all time.
If you can accomplish that feat the same thoughts, though from you, Brian, just in terms of how that devolved out there in Golden State and you being an impossible scenario, leave healthfully.
Well, I also wonder, like, what percentage of the n b a fan totality still feels that way about Kevin Durant.
I feel like so, Keith, you made a great point that you made the transformation over the course of years.
I wonder if you would still feel that way if he went to a random unknown.
You know, Charlotte Hornets, whatever.
Who have? What other team would you have also felt the same? Or is it because of your profound Nets bias? What was younger? I was definitely younger when Katie made that switch.
I want to say I was like, six years younger, who knows? And I think it definitely helps that he came to the team that I'm rooting for and the team that you know I watch.
But what I want to say about Katie is at the time back then it looked like a can't beat him.
Join, um sucker move.
It looked like a you know, like a *****.
Move whatever you want to call it.
But now, looking at it, it was a business move.
Katie is getting talks of, like goat consideration.
Nobody was having him in the conversation of a goat.
People were saying he was one of the greatest talents of all time, one of the greatest scorers we've seen.
But he made the move to go to Golden State to ring chase.
He went there and did what he had to do.
He got two rings.
Now that puts him in the conversation with the goats because he has some championships, he's out of there.
And if he could bring a ring to Brooklyn, if he can win a ring with the Nets and have three rings, maybe four rings, then we do have a legit conversation of Katya's one of the greats of all time.
And he got into that conversation by making that move.
To join a team that was a strong is the warriors when he did so, then then what is the conversation? Because you go back and hand you back years and you think about Michael Jordan and we talked about the other day.
Keep ends up on the Wizard's briefly on the back end of it.
Kobe Bryant, right, stays with the L A Lakers.
Obviously, there's been a shift in mentality around the MBA.
You mentioned that idea of chasing rings will, That's what it is, right? That's that's what it is to be in the n b A.
It's what it is to be one of superstars in the n b A.
And at a certain point, when you find yourself in a situation like LeBron James when he was first in Cleveland after X number of years like a d when he's in Okay, see, you look around and you say, Are we getting there? Are we ever gonna get it done here? Now LeBron goes somewhere else, and I guess you could say Dwayne waited already won one at that point.
But you're forming a new roster there with Bosch down in Miami, Katie comes to this established team, but I just don't know.
I've never had the mentality of fan, necessarily as being all your sellout for going and doing that.
Should we be having that type of grudge against players that want to go and play with high end talent.
Brian, you know that that's a way that we should be approaching this.
Or should we look at it as I want to play with the best? I want to accomplish their goals.
I would say in general, that are like defensiveness about this is is probably a little bit too high.
But I will say that there's a special sort of the Kevin Durant situation special because he went from within the same conference to the team that was he had just lost to a heated seven game series.
It was, If there's enough, it's sort of like the pinnacle of that argument.
You know, it's hard to not catch some flack on the PR side for all that.
Um, I do think that he's like doing all of this.
Maybe not in an effort to correct it, but, like to your point, another Keith.
Like he checked the boxes of Ellie's getting the champion.
He's got his championship insurance locked up.
Now the rest of his career, he can go and, you know, do the nice guy championship stuff wherever he wants to, but he doesn't have to face the fact of being like a Charles Barkley getting ripped on for not winning any championships.
You know, in his forties and fifties, when he's, you know, in this n b a on TNT chair, you know he doesn't have to deal with that.
And don't don't forget about this.
Okay, See, as constructed with Russell Westbrook, who? As soon as he left, Westbrook ascended to being the Westbrook that we know the N v p rust a triple double machine rust.
So he he had to have known.
Okay, this isn't gonna work here with me and Russ.
What's next Now? We talked about Jordan with the Wizards.
Was Katie supposed to go home and play for the Wizards and lose? No.
He made a business move, a business decision for his career to go join a team that was already established, who he has been on record, saying he likes the style.
He'd like the style of play.
Katie's a Hooper and, like all the way through a basketball, survive a basketball mind. Hooper.
He wanted to go play in that offense with step with play with those guys, and that's what he did.
And he got his rings.
And, you know, in hindsight, we could look at it differently now than we did in the moment.
In the moment, it's like you guys had them be in the Western Conference finals.
They beat you guys wherever, you know, like, how can you How can you go to the team that eliminated you last year? Well, he was gonna go somewhere and he went somewhere that he knew he could get some championship race.
And I mean, looking at it now, that's fine.
He didn't stay there.
It wasn't like he's gonna end his career there.
And now he's got a whole new opportunity to come back and lead a team.
And he's without a doubt the unquestioned leader, the best player on the team.
So we'll see how that turns out in Brooklyn.
Not too long from now.
Hopefully, uh, this for it was a couple years, so I want to go a little bit of a later.
Deeper on this, but it quick, quick sidebar.
Is that okay? So totally blow it when they when they Katie leaves.
But you also then you get rid of James Harden, it feels like Okay, See, it done is such a nice job of cultivating talent.
And then also may be pulled the plug.
Ah, step too early and didn't give themselves a chance to see what could develop.
Maybe between hard and rushed through then and reuniting now, You know, in Houston, that team that team had Katie hardened Russ and Serge Ibaka Ibaka also left and went and got a ring with the Raptors.
You know, like hardened.
I don't know if we'll get a ring, but he went He went and got, you know, Ah, whole team to run and basically be the man in Houston.
And when an M v p I just I don't know.
I think, Okay, See? Had a lot of talent.
Maybe too much talent.
They had to do something and the chips fell where they did.
I don't think anyone is regretting it May be the owners of Okay, see, now he's gotta be Oh, maybe now they were great.
A year of Kevin Martin there.
They're like they had to do something.
They couldn't kill all those guys.
It wasn't gonna team wasn't gonna stay together.
As it was, they got as close as they couldn't.
The Warriors dynasty knocked him off, and then they lost their franchise player, the best player in the history of their franchise to the Warriors.
So the layer beyond this, then, is also talking about, specifically kind of in the n b.
The perception about you look at other sports are NFL, and this is it.
It's the nature of that business that players change rosters once, twice, sometimes in their career, usually based on when they're trying to eat their contracts.
MLB doesn't seem to suffer from this in the same way, either.
Your homegrown talent, you grow through the system, but eventually the big contract comes and you go where it takes you.
Is there anything to this idea of loyalty specifically to the n b A.
And how that how that is attached to these players? You know, this is a predominantly, predominantly black sport where most of the superstars are African American.
Is there anything hinging on that? The way that whether it's media or fan base is perceived, these players and the expectations that they put on them as faras what control they should be allowed to have over the career and how we, as fan bases or you know, or in the media, attack them for the choices they make and keep your gonna respond the first.
If you want a course, there's definitely a layer there.
Um, when you see guys jerseys getting burned right, you see a LeBron jersey getting burned.
I even saw people burning eighties jersey.
Katie's jersey definitely got burned.
These black Who's got it hard out here.
Nobody burnt Tom Brady's jersey like I didn't see anyone burning Tom Brady's jury.
He's a guy that was drafted 1 99 by a team won six Super Bowls with a team, and it seemed like the fans were just like, Oh, well, it's a business decision for TV 12.
You know he's going to continue his career elsewhere.
They didn't burn the jerseys.
A lot of New England fans bought Tampa Bay Jersey, so I mean, I think what the loyalty thing is gone across the landscape, whether it's major league baseball, you look at a guy like, you know Mookie Betts, right? Won a World Series with the Red Sox.
He's with the Dodgers now.
And if MLB doesn't play this year, he might not even ever suit up for the doctors.
But he's already kind of tarnished his legacy because he had to go, but he didn't tarnish his legacy is the business of it.
So I think what we're going to see is a shift of people thinking that that that loyalty, that we saw Kobe Bryant and one jersey and you know like that it's going out of the window in the N B A.
For sure, because these guys switched jerseys so much that fanatics has to put Jersey insurance on the jerseys like if you buy Anthony Davis's Laker jersey and you go to another team next year, you can return that jersey and get the new team so the loyalty is gone.
It's all business.
I think we're seeing less jersey being burned because that's just part of the business.
It is what it is now, but I think it also makes sense to us, and it's especially heightened in the n B A.
Because like realistically on an N b A roster, you're going to have 7 to 10 like realistically players getting any real minutes so one single good players transformative.
It matters so much in the NBA players and their representatives, like figure that out like quick, and they're like, actually, he's n b A.
Players are way more valuable than all these other sports players are from those purchase because of like how much time they spend on camera, how much their their personal brands are easy to leverage with, just like just that amount of camera time and that amount of like focal point of the results that they produce.
Like the idea that LeBron James makes like 1/6 of the salary cap on that team is actually kind of messed up because, like, you want to say that that he only makes up 1/6 of what successful about the Lakers or anything that is on for that matter, you know? So they figured out that they can be leveraged like more and more and more, and I think that that amount of power once it starts to get into the ranks of like you could really affect management.
You can really affect ownership.
You could really affect the world.
Uh, like that trickles down and starts to look really trigger people because they're used to having their athletes be, you know, just chips and trade pieces and things like that.
And now this new paradigm shift has really made people upset.
I think, yeah, it's interesting to to me, specifically the MBA as well.
For the most part, the N B A is one of the cleanest products in the sports landscape, right? There is not a lot of conversation around players that get drafted in the MBA and then have off the field issues or run into problems, whether it's a policies around league or with their spouses or anything like that.
You talk about a guy like, uh, LeBron James, who is the face of the league, marries his high school sweetheart, brings along his friends as part of a revision gives back in tremendous ways around the community.
So, to that extent of it as well, I find it weird that the MBA maybe is This may be the last standing one that still looks at loyalty in some way differently because it feels like to your point, Brian, these guys are out there in front of the cameras.
You're not hidden underneath elements like the NFL or baseball, where maybe it could be a difficult thing to make exciting.
You would think that fans would be going to player loyalty first before team loyalty, and yet it's still it's still bubbles up time after time.
I don't know if if I know you come from a lot of MLB backgrounds, if you see that kind of dichotomy going on, there were these guys could be in front of camera.
They can have their own personal brand, and I haven't seen a lot of MLB jerseys get burned.
Regardless of who, the player is a progressive for their background.
This Yeah, it's different sports a sport.
The NBA players are the most visible, like you said that like just not putting a helmet on, make some way more visible NFL players. Aaron helmets.
Major league baseball players are in hats and helmets.
Thes thes players in the MLB have a different game because there's there's arbitration and their service time and you see these players like they hit their.
They hit their one time that they're gonna get paid like a Bryce Harper or Manny Machado, and you know the home team tries to keep them there, But everybody's money is on them leaving because they're gonna go on get that $300 million paycheck.
And fans aren't burning their jerseys for that.
They know that, like that is their payday that they were guaranteed when they signed as minor leaguers.
18 year olds in the n. B. A.
Is different, and I really do think that we're seeing the end of the loyalty stuff in the n b a.
Has changed so much, um, around the deadline and around MBA free agency.
It's madness and no one can say like, Okay, we drafted this player.
We expect him to be ah, player for us forever because it's starting to become extinct like it's just not a thing anymore.
You look at the greatest player in our league.
LeBron has played for three different teams and he had two stints on the team with the team that drafted into you kind of count.
That is four different teams.
It's just a different, different different landscape for each.
Each week NFL to NFL is like, I guess it's you know, it's probably lead with the most guys that are just like this is the team that their own.
But you're starting to see some of that stuff in shaky as well.
Well, looks like in the NFL.
I know that you talk about key positions, right? Quarterback, franchise quarterback.
You want to keep that guy in place you can talk about.
Maybe if you have someone locked in on the defensive side of the ball that you want to keep their long term look at the most.
Are this cast of characters behind can over changed? Brian.
Do you think that, then, going forward? Well, you ever remove the tanks on fears that have started this new mentality of changing teams, comparing them to the cold, the Bryants and the Michael drink over Bryant.
By the time he's even thinking about possibly switching, there's a conversation that he has with the Clipper.
Think about possibly switching in the same city.
There he stays with L. A.
Does that always enter, then elevating that standard of my 15 championships.
I did it with my team all the way through, and no one could ever touch me.
Or is it theoretical that someone who could get five rings can match that bar for boring.
Just say it no longer matters that I did it in three.
I mean, there's like, really? Like there's just a realistic thing where if you spend 20 years, you're John Stockton, Carm alone, playing literally 20 years in a city like you just form a special bond with that city.
That's just gonna happen over the course of time.
You're spending time with these people and and that's when it's up.
I think, like there's no getting around that.
But as like General, like national media, like, I think we could stop berating the people that want to leave a certain team ones just a couple of times like it doesn't We don't need to keep doing this because, by the way, no, no one is berating me.
If I changed jobs, no one coming to me like if I move, I decide on moving from short in New Jersey.
I want to move up north.
No one's like, Well, there he goes that I just had to get out of the ocean.
It's holding town.
Look at this guy.
I don't have the same, uh, actually is right there.
Drink you under.
And I was so close.
I could It could have been me.
Could have been him.
We were neck and that come out of high school. I didn't process.
There's no value in it anymore.
When you see guys like Damian Lillard say, you know I'm staying in Portland and even the honest like I like it here on saying that everyone looks at them like that's cool, but you're not gonna win anything.
Yeah, it does kind of turn me the Damian Lillard thing is especially a good example, cause I think people are gonna start looking at him like Okay, well, you're gonna be kind of a room if you don't like, you know, makes us you're the oddball now, like now you staying in Portland, being a Trailblazer for life.
We're gonna watch your career, and you're gonna be one of those guys in the debates 20 years from now that we're gonna say a really good player that didn't get a ring because he's staying.
Well, we were just talking about the other day.
I did the one about when old rich leaves from from Portland, what could have been there and how they could have impacted each other with you really should, said Brian.
All the sudden you go from being the guy who's super loyal, wants to do it, wants to stay there, and by the end of your career, the fans are like, I can't believe this guy.
I can't believe he chose to stay here.
He could have gone out to L.
A and hopped on with LeBron and a d.
He could have made these moves.
And instead you end up getting public for whereas Stockton him alone, like you mentioned, those guys were celebrated for the choice that they made.
It never quite got over the pinnacle.
And you think about Malone at the back and his crew.
He tried to chase that ring and went to L.
A and then actually got beaten up for doing that, too, because it wasn't the same player.
It was like, Come on, buddy, just finish it out.
And why did you go? Yeah, So a t end of the day I think we can conclude is you can't win with fans.
You're never gonna be able to satisfy, you know, the media and what they think you should be doing.
And ultimately, whether you're Cady or LEBRON or any of these guys do what's right for you.
Do what's right for your brand.
Everything's gonna settle out in the background About time you retire, Steph Curry, All these guys, you're gonna look back on the championships.
You won, the guys you played with.
And I think all this other stuff really phase in the background for then we may keep it in our minds for they're okay with it.
Uh, I'll add this.
And two, When we saw the warriors come to Brooklyn, Katie and Steph embraced each other like brothers, like long lost friends.
So that tells you right there, like the media might kiss steps.
The media might have said, Okay, they didn't need Katie, But their relationship they you can tell they were.
They were tight.
They probably enjoy every second plane with each other.
Two of the best players in the world they were won, Won, won A like like like Pippen and Jordan together.
Like they have a good relationship.
It's dependent from the independent from the media.
I think we just make a lot out of it.
And the landscape has changed.
The loyalty is gone.
It's a business decision.
So all players that we see moving forward make the best business decision for you and your family and your legacy.
Yeah, I think that's what the pleasure of playing with some of these guys, right? I wanna hook up with Steph Curry for a couple of years. I want to go over to L.
A and play with a D for a couple of years.
If it works for them, I think it makes all the sense in the world.
Fellas, we did it.
I think we've expanded this thing to the air.
That's it. Hold hold two.
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You earned it. I'm gonna get myself back.
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