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aspect of the SportsCastr platform.
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Some people may be familiar with myself, but over there is Keith McPherson, new member to the SportsCastr family.
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What's up? Would someone So what's up? And that this is Ah, this is exciting, right? We get an opportunity here.
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There's gonna just my headphones a little bit.
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Um, we get a chance to just kind of dive in knots and interesting topics that are going on or around the MBA, obviously.
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Right now, this is that, Ah, dangerous time frame when we're not entirely sure what we're gonna be covering.
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But thankfully, there's no shortage of topics.
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And as people can probably tell, we're diving in a little bit on Bill Laimbeer and his take, which is Ah, maybe a familiar take one that he's already had before in regards to who should be labelled with that goat tag between LeBron James and Michael Jordan.
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Yes, sir.
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Big bad Bill Lamb.
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Beer of the bad boy, the Detroit Pistons.
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Like, what do you expect him to say here when the topic is love? LeBron versus Jordan, He faced Jordan.
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And, ah, you know, this is, um for, you know, the older generation, the younger kids.
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They're not gonna know of this.
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Remember this? But before Jordan became Jordan, he ran into the Detroit Pistons.
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Back to back years and 89 90.
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The Detroit Pistons won it.
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So when you look at Bill Laimbeer, he's 62 years old.
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You're not expecting a 62 year old guy to side with LeBron the New Age, LeBron.
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But, you know, he, uh, he's got some history with Jordan, so we could talk about that a little bit.
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Well, you know it's funny, too, because obviously there's that.
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There's that taxpayers aware.
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Bill's coming from in terms of having gone up against Jordan, the Pistons, the Bulls in that time frame.
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But you mentioned his age, and we'll kind of bounce around, I think a little bit in terms the way one approach it.
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But one of the things that I looked at was I'm in my mid thirties.
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So when I think about growing up in watching the n b.
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A, it was impossible not to love Michael Jordan, you know, by default.
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But the other side of it was in my early basically that 9 to 15 kind of range.
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There's nostalgia also attached to the way I look at Michael Jordan and what he meant to me as a basketball fan.
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And you know, now, with LeBron James, I can sit back and watch LeBron or watch Katie watch.
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Kobe went when he was playing and just enjoy what I'm seeing on the court.
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But it lacks a little bit of that, something that connects me back to a time frame.
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And I think that's why when you think about people that maybe look going back years and say, Well, I I was a ah, Bill Russell fan, right? Because because you grow up with them and I just wonder how much of that please into it is likewise for these athletes.
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You say, Well, I went up against him and it goes reverse where they're like I played against that guy.
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I'd rather someone else be better than maybe the one that kept me from accomplishing some things during my career.
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Yeah, I mean, in the nineties, Jordan was a cultural icon.
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He still is.
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You know, his shoes still sell out.
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Um, it's ah, he's a part of American culture.
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He's made himself a staple in sports and in the city of Chicago.
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And, like you said, growing up, you know, I was a Bulls fan when I was a very little kid before I realized I lived in New Jersey.
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Deanna should be rooting for the Nets.
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I was into Jordan and I was watching the Bulls and staying up to watch, you know, Chicago versus Seattle.
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Um, in that time, when you think about impact and legacy, Jordan's impact on the nineties huge.
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We'll see that Sunday when they start this ESPN doc the last dance and they go through those Bulls teams and that last dance that they had.
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But as far as lamb beer, right playing against him, he's not looking at the impact that Jordan had in the nineties.
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He's looking at Jordan is Hey, Jordan couldn't get through us.
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We played against Jordan and we stopped him.
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Jordan wasn't Jordan until, you know, our team kind of disassembled and, you know, we kind of passed the torch on.
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Um, when you look at LeBron right, LeBron's gonna have a huge impact and legacy.
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But we're in the era of LeBron now.
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We can't really look back and see it, Um, and then also LeBron is now on his third team.
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Um, and then you know you could even count.
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Cleveland is two different teams because he started there and went back there.
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So really, it's like he played for four different teams.
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Jordan played for two teams, but for the most part, Jordan was a Chicago bull, went to six championships, won six championships, all with the Bulls.
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It's a little different when you compare rings.
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Obviously, people are gonna for ever say, you know, six rings, six rings, Jordan Jordan. Six rings.
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He played a complete different era, though he playing a complete different game.
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Literally.
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The MBA is not the same as it was then versus now.
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Um, I think LeBron's three rings are decent. I think he's needed.
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He needs at least one more to really put him up in that conversation.
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But, yeah, when we're looking at Jordan versus LeBron, take land beer out of it and his his personal situation with the Bulls and the Pistons and think more, I guess legacy and that, uh, right now we're still in LeBron's legacy and it's tough for us to really gauge it like we can look back at Jordan's right now.
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Well, there's a couple of different things you bring up there to write the air that Jordan played in a much more physical style of N ba.
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Even at that point, obviously, you can think about the physical presence that LeBron James is.
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He probably would have been just a successful if he played in Dorn's era.
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Body benefits.
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He benefits now from the way the game is played and maybe the level of foul calls you're getting and listen.
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For the most part, MBA superstars are getting cold, so you feel like that's across the board.
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But it's your point to sticking with one team.
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I think that that always does the legacy.
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I'll take the Wizard's off the table, although I do also have the memory of whatever.
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It was almost 40 year old Michael Jordan down on the ground, sprawling for a ball, going out of bounds and and getting into the faces of every young player on that roster and telling this is how this is how you play in the n B A, um, but well, when you look at at LeBron and these stops, one of the things you can't discount cause like you said, Well, three rings.
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Look at look where he came up short in the finals.
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But you go back and there's some of the numbers that will have to have to do is reference your corner of my eye.
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Only twice in all of his trips to the Finals pre finals was LeBron's teams favored to win the championship in those.
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So you go back to search for the first time with Cleveland.
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You're talking about a young, A young LeBron dragging a roster there and even in the reincarnation of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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I don't know.
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Even with Kyrie, if you're talking about a team, is that really match up to any of the rosters that Michael Jordan was able to play with it? It doesn't change what these individuals are, but being you're talking about being 20% below a lot of times in some of these final final ah matchup that he went into interestingly, take it.
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For what it's worth, he was favored in one of those matchups against I think it was Dallas, right against Ah, yeah, with the Heat verse Maverick.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So you know, he was favoring a couple of those 11 against the Spurs lost one against Alice.
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I'd be hard pressed to look at Michael Jordan's, say, line me up any time where he was favored to win a match up and he came out on the losing end of it.
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And obviously you can't get in the finals.
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But there's something there. I think to that.
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But then you start to get into the style of play as well, right? Different mentality.
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Ah, player like Kobe Bryant was in the mold of Michael Jordan.
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LeBron James is kind of his own guy.
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He very much takes it in a team oriented direction before it's me.
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Follow me to, you know, to this championship.
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Absolutely.
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And uh, in the article, Lamb beer says, You know, LeBron 68 to 75 different building Jordan.
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And he also said LeBron from the jump.
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You know, he's an assist guy.
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He's a basketball.
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I Cuba.
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He, like, knew how to get his whole team involved with lesser teams.
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And then when you talk about, you know, favored versus not being favored, you know, Jordan went in the favorite and, um, with LeBron write his last ring that we saw him get.
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They were not favored.
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A Cavs versus Warriors.
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The Cavs, Um, and here's like a, you know, a little tie in.
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The Cavs beat the team that beat Michael Jordan's best team record.
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Right? Jordan, look on the 72 10 Bulls.
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The Warriors that year ago, 73 9 But don't get the ring as the icing on the cake to STA.
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Momentum is the best team of all time.
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LeBron is in the way and knocks them off.
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So that's a whole another twist in the in the whole goat story.
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Well, you know, the greatest Ah, Eve of all time.
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Gotta beat by LeBron is LeBron you know, the grace of all time.
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It's it's open for debate.
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We're in quarantine right now.
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All these debates are back open.
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People are talking about Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame this week? Fire up all the debates.
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It's trending on Twitter right now.
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Kobe versus LeBron and really on Twitter.
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What they're saying is, there's ah mean that's going on and people were wishing that we got that finals matchup of Kobe versus LeBron back, and I think 2011 or 10 on people rather see that Kobe versus LeBron more so than the people that are timing in with the debate of Kobe versus LeBron.
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When honestly, we lost Kobe earlier this year and a lot of people, the basketball world said to stop comparing these guys just appreciate them for who they are.
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Let's let's drop the Kobe versus LeBron vs Michael Jordan to be.
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But here we are right now and you know, you mentioned to its There's some overlap between between Jordan and Kobe and their careers.
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But for the most part, what it always is a potential greatest of all time.
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They're usually kind of isolated into their own statement.
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There, prime is usually onto itself outside of any having any other Realtor Bay, you know, is Kevin Durant potentially going to be able to start to take that on over the next five or six years of his career as Kobe? I mean, as ah, as James maybe winds down possibly Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that you get this guy, get this guy back on the court, and then we can start to have that conversation.
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But even when that comes James is 35.
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So you're talking about Katie being able to play out the last three or 45 years of his career without having LeBron there and without having that active to be or conversation between the two of them.
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I'll throw these out there, so I think to your point, it makes sense.
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You enjoy these guys.
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That's really where I want to go.
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If it is like I enjoyed watching Kobe play, I love watching LeBron play.
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I'll love watching Katie play, especially in Brooklyn, when he gets there.
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The one of the things that I did also pick up the two was You talk about a guy who's six time champion and Jordan, but also finals MVP.
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That goes without saying, If you're the superstar, you're one of the M V P in the finals.
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Typically, if your team is winning, but 10 time defensive, 10 time scoring champion, nine time all end a defence.
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That's the one side of it that if you want to talk about not even comparing them, but just in terms of the quality of their career and being in that upper echelon.
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Jordan also did some things on the defensive end of the court that I think at a certain point LeBron has said, I'm I'll dial that up when necessary when required of me.
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But there's a different mentality in season now for LeBron that I think Michael Jordan ever ever displayed in his career, where this year in L.
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A. LeBron wanted to show you something.
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Having 10 assists of her game is just showing you that other phase of his game.
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But Jordan never took a game off, right? Never took a night off, never took a playoff.
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And there's been a couple of years here where I think LeBron is said going to the playoffs is consistently as he has.
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I may go into coast mood for a certain stretch of the season and then I ran pick back up.
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When it's most important, I don't know that he values him at all.
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But just in terms of comparing, that's that.
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That Kobe mentality, right, you're getting everything I have on the court off the court and that's even that classic remark that Kobe made about Shack or he's like if he treated this game like me, we would have 1234 more championships, but shack and a lot of fun, you know? And I think I'd probably rather hang out with shack, then hang out with the Kobe or even to Jordan.
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Yeah, Yeah.
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And, you know, going back to you know, the league versus then And now, you know, even with some of these awards, there's people that argue Well, you know, uh, Steph and Hardin and some of these guys that got M v p.
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Johannes they're like LeBron could get M v p every year if he played a certain kind of way.
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Okay, that's a fair argument.
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And then with this turn this term load management, we're seeing these guys load, manage.
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And that's because of the different style of play in the league where, like you said, Jordan never took a night off.
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So this debate could go on literally forever.
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And that's why you know, we've got all of this time to debate it.
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As faras lamb beer is concerned.
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I'm not surprised.
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I understand the bad boy pistons, you know, he's never going to say that Ah, Mike was the greatest cause we have LeBron and, um, you know, back to what you said about Let's just enjoy these guys.
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If you're over the age of 25 you got to see Kobe and you got to see LeBron.
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You're literally watching three of the greatest basketball players that have ever played in your lifetime.
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You got to see all three.
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So I think that's the biggest takeaway from it.
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Three of the best in at played in these, you know, last, Ah, 2025 years.
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Well, yeah.
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We get out of the idea of picturing the bad boy Pistons playing today.
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They don't get very far because you're probably talking about a lot of guys getting injected on tax like they don't think I'm kidding.
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Opportunity to play that basketball today.
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So I'm sure, you know, Bill probably also has a little perspective of wishing you could you ally that same mentality or still having teams and players that you could identify with from from your air as well? Listen, this is what we do get to do that this time in the quarantine as we wrap it up.
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How are you doing in the quarantine? I noticed some information inside of your email that suggests that we're from the same.
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We're from the same area.
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We're talking in the same area code here.
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I think your opinion? Yeah.
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Walton.
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I'm in North Jersey now.
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I live in West New York, which is right by whole Bogin Weehawken area.
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Literally 15 minute ride into the city.
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I grew up in Mama's County.
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Went to ocean high school.
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Ah, right there.
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Ocean Spartans.
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Other way.
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Just that fingers right here.
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Ghost inspires Ocean Township High School.
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Ah, a short conference, Monmouth County.
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Former Pistons Bad Boy doubles down on LeBron James over Michael Jordan as GOAT

The debate on who the greatest NBA player of all time remains as ripe as ever. Recently, former Detroit Pistons enforcer Bill Laimbeer, who himself had the chance to face the legendary Michael Jordan during his prime, has come out to say that in his mind, there is simply no way that Jordan is a […]

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aspect of the SportsCastr platform.
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Some people may be familiar with myself, but over there is Keith McPherson, new member to the SportsCastr family.
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What's up? Would someone So what's up? And that this is Ah, this is exciting, right? We get an opportunity here.
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There's gonna just my headphones a little bit.
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Um, we get a chance to just kind of dive in knots and interesting topics that are going on or around the MBA, obviously.
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Right now, this is that, Ah, dangerous time frame when we're not entirely sure what we're gonna be covering.
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But thankfully, there's no shortage of topics.
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And as people can probably tell, we're diving in a little bit on Bill Laimbeer and his take, which is Ah, maybe a familiar take one that he's already had before in regards to who should be labelled with that goat tag between LeBron James and Michael Jordan.
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Yes, sir.
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Big bad Bill Lamb.
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Beer of the bad boy, the Detroit Pistons.
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Like, what do you expect him to say here when the topic is love? LeBron versus Jordan, He faced Jordan.
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And, ah, you know, this is, um for, you know, the older generation, the younger kids.
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They're not gonna know of this.
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Remember this? But before Jordan became Jordan, he ran into the Detroit Pistons.
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Back to back years and 89 90.
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The Detroit Pistons won it.
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So when you look at Bill Laimbeer, he's 62 years old.
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You're not expecting a 62 year old guy to side with LeBron the New Age, LeBron.
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But, you know, he, uh, he's got some history with Jordan, so we could talk about that a little bit.
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Well, you know it's funny, too, because obviously there's that.
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There's that taxpayers aware.
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Bill's coming from in terms of having gone up against Jordan, the Pistons, the Bulls in that time frame.
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But you mentioned his age, and we'll kind of bounce around, I think a little bit in terms the way one approach it.
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But one of the things that I looked at was I'm in my mid thirties.
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So when I think about growing up in watching the n b.
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A, it was impossible not to love Michael Jordan, you know, by default.
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But the other side of it was in my early basically that 9 to 15 kind of range.
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There's nostalgia also attached to the way I look at Michael Jordan and what he meant to me as a basketball fan.
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And you know, now, with LeBron James, I can sit back and watch LeBron or watch Katie watch.
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Kobe went when he was playing and just enjoy what I'm seeing on the court.
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But it lacks a little bit of that, something that connects me back to a time frame.
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And I think that's why when you think about people that maybe look going back years and say, Well, I I was a ah, Bill Russell fan, right? Because because you grow up with them and I just wonder how much of that please into it is likewise for these athletes.
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You say, Well, I went up against him and it goes reverse where they're like I played against that guy.
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I'd rather someone else be better than maybe the one that kept me from accomplishing some things during my career.
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Yeah, I mean, in the nineties, Jordan was a cultural icon.
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He still is.
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You know, his shoes still sell out.
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Um, it's ah, he's a part of American culture.
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He's made himself a staple in sports and in the city of Chicago.
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And, like you said, growing up, you know, I was a Bulls fan when I was a very little kid before I realized I lived in New Jersey.
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Deanna should be rooting for the Nets.
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I was into Jordan and I was watching the Bulls and staying up to watch, you know, Chicago versus Seattle.
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Um, in that time, when you think about impact and legacy, Jordan's impact on the nineties huge.
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We'll see that Sunday when they start this ESPN doc the last dance and they go through those Bulls teams and that last dance that they had.
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But as far as lamb beer, right playing against him, he's not looking at the impact that Jordan had in the nineties.
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He's looking at Jordan is Hey, Jordan couldn't get through us.
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We played against Jordan and we stopped him.
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Jordan wasn't Jordan until, you know, our team kind of disassembled and, you know, we kind of passed the torch on.
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Um, when you look at LeBron right, LeBron's gonna have a huge impact and legacy.
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But we're in the era of LeBron now.
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We can't really look back and see it, Um, and then also LeBron is now on his third team.
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Um, and then you know you could even count.
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Cleveland is two different teams because he started there and went back there.
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So really, it's like he played for four different teams.
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Jordan played for two teams, but for the most part, Jordan was a Chicago bull, went to six championships, won six championships, all with the Bulls.
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It's a little different when you compare rings.
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Obviously, people are gonna for ever say, you know, six rings, six rings, Jordan Jordan. Six rings.
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He played a complete different era, though he playing a complete different game.
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Literally.
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The MBA is not the same as it was then versus now.
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Um, I think LeBron's three rings are decent. I think he's needed.
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He needs at least one more to really put him up in that conversation.
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But, yeah, when we're looking at Jordan versus LeBron, take land beer out of it and his his personal situation with the Bulls and the Pistons and think more, I guess legacy and that, uh, right now we're still in LeBron's legacy and it's tough for us to really gauge it like we can look back at Jordan's right now.
00:05:08
Well, there's a couple of different things you bring up there to write the air that Jordan played in a much more physical style of N ba.
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Even at that point, obviously, you can think about the physical presence that LeBron James is.
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He probably would have been just a successful if he played in Dorn's era.
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Body benefits.
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He benefits now from the way the game is played and maybe the level of foul calls you're getting and listen.
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For the most part, MBA superstars are getting cold, so you feel like that's across the board.
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But it's your point to sticking with one team.
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I think that that always does the legacy.
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I'll take the Wizard's off the table, although I do also have the memory of whatever.
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It was almost 40 year old Michael Jordan down on the ground, sprawling for a ball, going out of bounds and and getting into the faces of every young player on that roster and telling this is how this is how you play in the n B A, um, but well, when you look at at LeBron and these stops, one of the things you can't discount cause like you said, Well, three rings.
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Look at look where he came up short in the finals.
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But you go back and there's some of the numbers that will have to have to do is reference your corner of my eye.
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Only twice in all of his trips to the Finals pre finals was LeBron's teams favored to win the championship in those.
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So you go back to search for the first time with Cleveland.
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You're talking about a young, A young LeBron dragging a roster there and even in the reincarnation of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
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I don't know.
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Even with Kyrie, if you're talking about a team, is that really match up to any of the rosters that Michael Jordan was able to play with it? It doesn't change what these individuals are, but being you're talking about being 20% below a lot of times in some of these final final ah matchup that he went into interestingly, take it.
00:06:49
For what it's worth, he was favored in one of those matchups against I think it was Dallas, right against Ah, yeah, with the Heat verse Maverick.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So you know, he was favoring a couple of those 11 against the Spurs lost one against Alice.
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I'd be hard pressed to look at Michael Jordan's, say, line me up any time where he was favored to win a match up and he came out on the losing end of it.
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And obviously you can't get in the finals.
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But there's something there. I think to that.
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But then you start to get into the style of play as well, right? Different mentality.
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Ah, player like Kobe Bryant was in the mold of Michael Jordan.
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LeBron James is kind of his own guy.
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He very much takes it in a team oriented direction before it's me.
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Follow me to, you know, to this championship.
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Absolutely.
00:07:32
And uh, in the article, Lamb beer says, You know, LeBron 68 to 75 different building Jordan.
00:07:39
And he also said LeBron from the jump.
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You know, he's an assist guy.
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He's a basketball.
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I Cuba.
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He, like, knew how to get his whole team involved with lesser teams.
00:07:49
And then when you talk about, you know, favored versus not being favored, you know, Jordan went in the favorite and, um, with LeBron write his last ring that we saw him get.
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They were not favored.
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A Cavs versus Warriors.
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The Cavs, Um, and here's like a, you know, a little tie in.
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The Cavs beat the team that beat Michael Jordan's best team record.
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Right? Jordan, look on the 72 10 Bulls.
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The Warriors that year ago, 73 9 But don't get the ring as the icing on the cake to STA.
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Momentum is the best team of all time.
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LeBron is in the way and knocks them off.
00:08:24
So that's a whole another twist in the in the whole goat story.
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Well, you know, the greatest Ah, Eve of all time.
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Gotta beat by LeBron is LeBron you know, the grace of all time.
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It's it's open for debate.
00:08:36
We're in quarantine right now.
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All these debates are back open.
00:08:39
People are talking about Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame this week? Fire up all the debates.
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It's trending on Twitter right now.
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Kobe versus LeBron and really on Twitter.
00:08:49
What they're saying is, there's ah mean that's going on and people were wishing that we got that finals matchup of Kobe versus LeBron back, and I think 2011 or 10 on people rather see that Kobe versus LeBron more so than the people that are timing in with the debate of Kobe versus LeBron.
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When honestly, we lost Kobe earlier this year and a lot of people, the basketball world said to stop comparing these guys just appreciate them for who they are.
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Let's let's drop the Kobe versus LeBron vs Michael Jordan to be.
00:09:21
But here we are right now and you know, you mentioned to its There's some overlap between between Jordan and Kobe and their careers.
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But for the most part, what it always is a potential greatest of all time.
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They're usually kind of isolated into their own statement.
00:09:35
There, prime is usually onto itself outside of any having any other Realtor Bay, you know, is Kevin Durant potentially going to be able to start to take that on over the next five or six years of his career as Kobe? I mean, as ah, as James maybe winds down possibly Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see that you get this guy, get this guy back on the court, and then we can start to have that conversation.
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But even when that comes James is 35.
00:10:02
So you're talking about Katie being able to play out the last three or 45 years of his career without having LeBron there and without having that active to be or conversation between the two of them.
00:10:15
I'll throw these out there, so I think to your point, it makes sense.
00:10:18
You enjoy these guys.
00:10:20
That's really where I want to go.
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If it is like I enjoyed watching Kobe play, I love watching LeBron play.
00:10:24
I'll love watching Katie play, especially in Brooklyn, when he gets there.
00:10:28
The one of the things that I did also pick up the two was You talk about a guy who's six time champion and Jordan, but also finals MVP.
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That goes without saying, If you're the superstar, you're one of the M V P in the finals.
00:10:38
Typically, if your team is winning, but 10 time defensive, 10 time scoring champion, nine time all end a defence.
00:10:45
That's the one side of it that if you want to talk about not even comparing them, but just in terms of the quality of their career and being in that upper echelon.
00:10:52
Jordan also did some things on the defensive end of the court that I think at a certain point LeBron has said, I'm I'll dial that up when necessary when required of me.
00:11:02
But there's a different mentality in season now for LeBron that I think Michael Jordan ever ever displayed in his career, where this year in L.
00:11:10
A. LeBron wanted to show you something.
00:11:12
Having 10 assists of her game is just showing you that other phase of his game.
00:11:16
But Jordan never took a game off, right? Never took a night off, never took a playoff.
00:11:19
And there's been a couple of years here where I think LeBron is said going to the playoffs is consistently as he has.
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I may go into coast mood for a certain stretch of the season and then I ran pick back up.
00:11:28
When it's most important, I don't know that he values him at all.
00:11:31
But just in terms of comparing, that's that.
00:11:34
That Kobe mentality, right, you're getting everything I have on the court off the court and that's even that classic remark that Kobe made about Shack or he's like if he treated this game like me, we would have 1234 more championships, but shack and a lot of fun, you know? And I think I'd probably rather hang out with shack, then hang out with the Kobe or even to Jordan.
00:11:52
Yeah, Yeah.
00:11:54
And, you know, going back to you know, the league versus then And now, you know, even with some of these awards, there's people that argue Well, you know, uh, Steph and Hardin and some of these guys that got M v p.
00:12:05
Johannes they're like LeBron could get M v p every year if he played a certain kind of way.
00:12:09
Okay, that's a fair argument.
00:12:11
And then with this turn this term load management, we're seeing these guys load, manage.
00:12:16
And that's because of the different style of play in the league where, like you said, Jordan never took a night off.
00:12:22
So this debate could go on literally forever.
00:12:25
And that's why you know, we've got all of this time to debate it.
00:12:28
As faras lamb beer is concerned.
00:12:30
I'm not surprised.
00:12:32
I understand the bad boy pistons, you know, he's never going to say that Ah, Mike was the greatest cause we have LeBron and, um, you know, back to what you said about Let's just enjoy these guys.
00:12:43
If you're over the age of 25 you got to see Kobe and you got to see LeBron.
00:12:56
You're literally watching three of the greatest basketball players that have ever played in your lifetime.
00:13:02
You got to see all three.
00:13:03
So I think that's the biggest takeaway from it.
00:13:05
Three of the best in at played in these, you know, last, Ah, 2025 years.
00:13:14
Well, yeah.
00:13:15
We get out of the idea of picturing the bad boy Pistons playing today.
00:13:21
They don't get very far because you're probably talking about a lot of guys getting injected on tax like they don't think I'm kidding.
00:13:26
Opportunity to play that basketball today.
00:13:29
So I'm sure, you know, Bill probably also has a little perspective of wishing you could you ally that same mentality or still having teams and players that you could identify with from from your air as well? Listen, this is what we do get to do that this time in the quarantine as we wrap it up.
00:13:44
How are you doing in the quarantine? I noticed some information inside of your email that suggests that we're from the same.
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We're from the same area.
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We're talking in the same area code here.
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I think your opinion? Yeah.
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Walton.
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I'm in North Jersey now.
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I live in West New York, which is right by whole Bogin Weehawken area.
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Literally 15 minute ride into the city.
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I grew up in Mama's County.
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Went to ocean high school.
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Ah, right there.
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Ocean Spartans.
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Other way.
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Just that fingers right here.
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Ghost inspires Ocean Township High School.
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Ah, a short conference, Monmouth County.
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But yeah, I'm doing all right.
00:14:25
Honestly, Like, this is what I do. I do podcasts.
00:14:28
Uh, I make videos, cover NFL a cover MBA, and I cover MLB, and my life revolves around those things.
00:14:39
If we weren't in quarantine, ID probably be a Yankee Stadium or, you know, um, at work.
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I work a job in the media and the Bronx, which is right body Yankee Stadium.
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And we cover all sports predominantly baseball.
00:14:51
But I'm someone that, you know, I used to play football in college, and I always have loved basketball, So I'm fine with this, You know, I have Ah, Like I said, I've just been, um, keeping busy and doing things, and it's awesome.
00:15:03
Thio, you know, find new avenues and things like we're doing right now and thankfully, podcasting and doing streams like this.
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Health and safety, everything being equal.
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Not a lot of had to change for May I? Still, I still function inside of my same space and just tryingto continue to have a good time with it that will wrap us up on our on our first stream that we're gonna be doing here.
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