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00:00:06
Hello, Hello. Hope everybody's doing well.
00:00:08
I am doing a reaction stream to follow Sankoh's article on clutch points, which details the Jazz air currently not trying to pick between Rubio, Bear and Donovan Mitchell.
00:00:21
So as laid forth in this article by Paolo, um, there was an episode of the tampering podcast by the Athletics.
00:00:30
Tony Jones, who was a wonderful reporter, and Jones said, in relation to Rudy Go Bare, and Donovan Mitchell, who have been going through some things, will get into that in just a minute.
00:00:41
But the main hit from this article is they are committed to this court talking about the Jazz.
00:00:47
There's no indication that they're at a point where they're trying to choose between Rudy Go Bare and Donovan Mitchell.
00:00:53
But at the same time, I mean, the front office knows that there's this.
00:00:57
There's an issue, and the front office knows there's a significant issue.
00:01:01
So the Jazz being one of the more exciting young cores in the league, especially in the last couple of years, all of a sudden they're in a situation where there's discussions about them having to pick between two of their best players.
00:01:14
How did we get here.
00:01:15
Well, I'm sorry.
00:01:17
From repeating news for anybody who has heard this a 1,000,000 times.
00:01:22
Uh, most famously Rudy go bear right before this whole the world really changed.
00:01:28
Um, he did an interview with a bunch of reporters.
00:01:30
It was actually a postgame presser.
00:01:32
He was joking around, pretending to touch the microphones.
00:01:35
Couple of I think it must have been in that same 24 hour span.
00:01:39
N b a get shut down.
00:01:40
He contracts Corona virus.
00:01:42
As it turns out, a couple of his teammates are infected.
00:01:45
Then it comes out a little bit later through actually his own apology that he was ruffling through their belongings.
00:01:50
And it starts this whole big feud between him and Donovan Mitchell, the young star on this team.
00:01:57
That was really a cornerstone piece for the Utah Jazz.
00:02:00
A smart mark, a small market team.
00:02:02
Um, and and it's been probably the biggest MBA story of the last month.
00:02:06
So that's how we got here.
00:02:08
Um, I personally am not surprised that this news is coming out just with the way that it's coming out through Ah, one of their beat reporters.
00:02:18
You have to assume that this is probably, you know, it's almost definitely through their front office, their PR team.
00:02:24
Um, you know there's a chance is even coming out through their agents.
00:02:28
I would assume this is all true that the front office is doing everything that they can to make amends between these two players, you know, and I think that's going to be a focus for them.
00:02:39
They have obviously quite a bit of time to patch everything up.
00:02:42
Conceivably, there's a world where both of these guys are able to get to the same page, have conversations, be able to try to win together again and work through this conceivably.
00:02:53
But here's where I'm gonna argue the contrary.
00:02:55
So if you look back, that was about a guest last summer.
00:03:00
Um, there are a bunch of reports going on that similar to what's going on with Donovan Mitchell and Rubio Bear.
00:03:06
James Harden and CP three had some things that they just couldn't seem to reconcile.
00:03:10
There were just differences between them and personality and just overall view of winning and how a team should be run a lot of that pertained offense, but basically have all these reports come out and then we have the exact same sort of targeted thing come from the team, the Rockets.
00:03:25
You know, at the time for CP three saying these guys, they're working on their differences, they're gonna learn to work together again.
00:03:32
And then within a couple of months, we had this giant trade for Russell Westbrook.
00:03:36
So given the gravity of this situation, and you almost have to wonder just because of how upset Donovan Mitchell really was about this whole thing that there is maybe some underlying things.
00:03:46
I mean, you know, obviously, if this is just about the the I guess handling of what really go Bear did, then that's totally fine.
00:03:53
But you just have to wonder a little bit if there are, like, some underlying things that are going on between these two.
00:04:00
The reason I bring all this up is I cover the nets out here in Brooklyn, you know, and this is potentially a possible destination for only for one of these guys.
00:04:09
I don't think it's gonna be one of, you know, really.
00:04:11
I don't think they're gonna be in the mix for either one of Rudy Gay, Vera Donovan Mitchell.
00:04:17
But I'm assuming there are other teams that are looking really, really hard at either of these two guys.
00:04:23
And I'm sure that, you know, I know that this is a little bit of Ah, you know, uh, I guess calm down the blaring red alarms.
00:04:30
But I worry this is a little bit of a smokescreen.
00:04:33
Um, and I would assume that teams that are interested in trading for these two have not really, um, you know, change their behaviors at all.
00:04:42
Uh, because again, this is this is a big deal.
00:04:44
This was It's big stuff when you know it gets all the way out to mainstream media and is on TV for days and days and days that two guys have irreconcilable differences.
00:04:55
That's a big deal.
00:04:57
Other thing I want to touch on.
00:04:59
So let's say these two aren't able to get over whatever hurdle they're going through.
00:05:04
Whatever that may be, which one of these two guys would the Jazz go for or want to keep? I guess, in a sense, retain, um, it's funny because both of these guys represent different things.
00:05:16
The Jazz by now have become this mainstay of defense of Rim protection.
00:05:22
There. This team that.
00:05:23
You know, if you face them on a night tonight basis, it's going to be tough to score points.
00:05:28
And a lot of it is because of Rudy. Go bear.
00:05:30
On the other side of this of this page is the young star and Donovan Mitchell.
00:05:35
The electric score.
00:05:36
The guy that predominantly is is, you know, a more of a prototypical star in this leak.
00:05:42
So it's an interesting contrast to look at a guy that, in a sense, and you can look at Rudy Go Bear almost as you know, a guy with a role playing skill set that is a star versus Donovan Mitchell, who has star written over him in every sets.
00:05:57
If I was the Jazz and I had to pick between these two, two things matter. One.
00:06:03
Donovan Mitchell is a little bit younger, so that is more attractive to a Jazz team that, frankly, if these two aren't able to reconcile their differences, they're going to either have to go to rebuild on the fly or tear this down and new.
00:06:16
So, in a sense, you'd want to go with the guy that's gonna be there, have a longer prime and be able to sort of fit in with younger pieces should they acquire those.
00:06:25
Or if you've got a bunch of young pieces in a trade with Rudy, Go Bear.
00:06:29
The other thing is, you know, the Jazz.
00:06:31
As I said, This team, you know, this this defense of mainstay in the n B A.
00:06:36
They had a weird year.
00:06:37
I mean, a lot of people know this.
00:06:38
I'm not the first to report this.
00:06:40
They they were expected to be arguably like a 12 seed.
00:06:43
Everybody loved their offseason, myself included.
00:06:46
There were all these names that they grabbed Ed Davis, who was a favorite.
00:06:49
Still here in Brooklyn.
00:06:51
Jeff Green amongst other players. Mike Conley.
00:06:54
That trade that hasn't worked out great for them so far.
00:06:57
Um, they had a weird year, and it was a weird year for the Jazz in that it wasn't the typical jazz season where they were.
00:07:06
This, you know, really like lock step team, where you just cannot score points on them.
00:07:11
I'm looking at it.
00:07:13
A little bit of stats and research here.
00:07:15
I'm looking at just NBA's Advanced Stats Library right now.
00:07:19
Um, you know, assuming that the season is done today, they would have finished 11th in the league in defense of efficiency.
00:07:28
Um, and from January 1st time.
00:07:31
So basically, since 2020 they've been the 18th best team in defense.
00:07:36
Or, I guess, team defense, you know, next two names like the New York Knicks, the King's, the Mavericks, who are a little bit one sided in a sense.
00:07:45
So it was not your typical jazz season.
00:07:47
And I think a lot of that sort of points to, you know, I'm not, you know, this is not me being like, Well, you know, Rudy Gobert is out of his front because that's ridiculous.
00:07:58
He's still incredibly good.
00:07:59
He's a dominant force, just threw stature alone.
00:08:02
But this was not the best Rudy go bear season like it was not, You know it's funny cause he got selected in the All Star team really sense that his numbers fell by every single month, and I know that this is a guy that is not normally quantified by traditional numbers.
00:08:17
But you know, the thing that he's known for is the category that the jazz fell off exponentially, really since the turn of the All Star break.
00:08:27
So if this gets there.
00:08:29
I think the Jazz would probably be more likely to move Rudy Go Bear just because of his age, his likely curve on how he's going to fall out of his prime.
00:08:39
I you know, he's just so big.
00:08:41
I know that.
00:08:42
Such a lazy ****ysis.
00:08:43
But he's such a big player that you have to wonder how that's going to look over the next couple of years.
00:08:49
And then just the appeal of Donovan Mitchell.
00:08:51
You know, this is a guy that can at best, turn into, you know, a d. Wade.
00:08:57
If, you know, I'm not sure if I'm there as much as I was a couple of years ago, but that is like a possible outcome for him.
00:09:02
Or he could turn into somebody like a Victrola Depot, a really solid, you know, Top 20 top 25 guy that you can have is your cornerstone player.
00:09:12
You connects, achieve some success, and if you either look out in the draft or you're able to attract another player, he's the perfect number two guy.
00:09:20
He's a guy that plays both ends of the floor, so I think there's a lot of interesting things that are gonna come from the story right now.
00:09:28
Although the jazz air making it seem like there's nothing going on here, it's definitely something I would keep an eye on.
00:09:33
I think a lot of people will be in the league.
00:09:35
A lot of teams will be monitoring the situation and depending upon which team you are, whether you're young team or a team that's right on the edge of title contention, you just need that piece.
00:09:45
Maybe that RIM protector.
00:09:47
This is a team that I would keep an eye on.
00:09:48
So it's an incredibly interesting story.
00:09:50
Expect more developments.
00:09:52
And, um, you know, it's stories like this that are gonna feel us throughout this strange period of life without basketball.
00:09:58
So if you have any questions, any thoughts do let me know.
00:10:01
Otherwise, we'll close this out.
00:10:03
I appreciate everybody for hopping on and let's keep an eye on these jazz.
00:10:07
They're interesting.
00:10:08
See you guys
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Jazz not currently trying to pick between Rudy Gobert, Donovan Mitchell

There have been earlier reports stating that the relationship between Utah Jazz stars Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell have gone beyond repair. This has led to speculations that these two will no longer be able to coexist on the same team, which might force the Jazz front office to trade away one of them. In […]

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00:00:06
Hello, Hello. Hope everybody's doing well.
00:00:08
I am doing a reaction stream to follow Sankoh's article on clutch points, which details the Jazz air currently not trying to pick between Rubio, Bear and Donovan Mitchell.
00:00:21
So as laid forth in this article by Paolo, um, there was an episode of the tampering podcast by the Athletics.
00:00:30
Tony Jones, who was a wonderful reporter, and Jones said, in relation to Rudy Go Bare, and Donovan Mitchell, who have been going through some things, will get into that in just a minute.
00:00:41
But the main hit from this article is they are committed to this court talking about the Jazz.
00:00:47
There's no indication that they're at a point where they're trying to choose between Rudy Go Bare and Donovan Mitchell.
00:00:53
But at the same time, I mean, the front office knows that there's this.
00:00:57
There's an issue, and the front office knows there's a significant issue.
00:01:01
So the Jazz being one of the more exciting young cores in the league, especially in the last couple of years, all of a sudden they're in a situation where there's discussions about them having to pick between two of their best players.
00:01:14
How did we get here.
00:01:15
Well, I'm sorry.
00:01:17
From repeating news for anybody who has heard this a 1,000,000 times.
00:01:22
Uh, most famously Rudy go bear right before this whole the world really changed.
00:01:28
Um, he did an interview with a bunch of reporters.
00:01:30
It was actually a postgame presser.
00:01:32
He was joking around, pretending to touch the microphones.
00:01:35
Couple of I think it must have been in that same 24 hour span.
00:01:39
N b a get shut down.
00:01:40
He contracts Corona virus.
00:01:42
As it turns out, a couple of his teammates are infected.
00:01:45
Then it comes out a little bit later through actually his own apology that he was ruffling through their belongings.
00:01:50
And it starts this whole big feud between him and Donovan Mitchell, the young star on this team.
00:01:57
That was really a cornerstone piece for the Utah Jazz.
00:02:00
A smart mark, a small market team.
00:02:02
Um, and and it's been probably the biggest MBA story of the last month.
00:02:06
So that's how we got here.
00:02:08
Um, I personally am not surprised that this news is coming out just with the way that it's coming out through Ah, one of their beat reporters.
00:02:18
You have to assume that this is probably, you know, it's almost definitely through their front office, their PR team.
00:02:24
Um, you know there's a chance is even coming out through their agents.
00:02:28
I would assume this is all true that the front office is doing everything that they can to make amends between these two players, you know, and I think that's going to be a focus for them.
00:02:39
They have obviously quite a bit of time to patch everything up.
00:02:42
Conceivably, there's a world where both of these guys are able to get to the same page, have conversations, be able to try to win together again and work through this conceivably.
00:02:53
But here's where I'm gonna argue the contrary.
00:02:55
So if you look back, that was about a guest last summer.
00:03:00
Um, there are a bunch of reports going on that similar to what's going on with Donovan Mitchell and Rubio Bear.
00:03:06
James Harden and CP three had some things that they just couldn't seem to reconcile.
00:03:10
There were just differences between them and personality and just overall view of winning and how a team should be run a lot of that pertained offense, but basically have all these reports come out and then we have the exact same sort of targeted thing come from the team, the Rockets.
00:03:25
You know, at the time for CP three saying these guys, they're working on their differences, they're gonna learn to work together again.
00:03:32
And then within a couple of months, we had this giant trade for Russell Westbrook.
00:03:36
So given the gravity of this situation, and you almost have to wonder just because of how upset Donovan Mitchell really was about this whole thing that there is maybe some underlying things.
00:03:46
I mean, you know, obviously, if this is just about the the I guess handling of what really go Bear did, then that's totally fine.
00:03:53
But you just have to wonder a little bit if there are, like, some underlying things that are going on between these two.
00:04:00
The reason I bring all this up is I cover the nets out here in Brooklyn, you know, and this is potentially a possible destination for only for one of these guys.
00:04:09
I don't think it's gonna be one of, you know, really.
00:04:11
I don't think they're gonna be in the mix for either one of Rudy Gay, Vera Donovan Mitchell.
00:04:17
But I'm assuming there are other teams that are looking really, really hard at either of these two guys.
00:04:23
And I'm sure that, you know, I know that this is a little bit of Ah, you know, uh, I guess calm down the blaring red alarms.
00:04:30
But I worry this is a little bit of a smokescreen.
00:04:33
Um, and I would assume that teams that are interested in trading for these two have not really, um, you know, change their behaviors at all.
00:04:42
Uh, because again, this is this is a big deal.
00:04:44
This was It's big stuff when you know it gets all the way out to mainstream media and is on TV for days and days and days that two guys have irreconcilable differences.
00:04:55
That's a big deal.
00:04:57
Other thing I want to touch on.
00:04:59
So let's say these two aren't able to get over whatever hurdle they're going through.
00:05:04
Whatever that may be, which one of these two guys would the Jazz go for or want to keep? I guess, in a sense, retain, um, it's funny because both of these guys represent different things.
00:05:16
The Jazz by now have become this mainstay of defense of Rim protection.
00:05:22
There. This team that.
00:05:23
You know, if you face them on a night tonight basis, it's going to be tough to score points.
00:05:28
And a lot of it is because of Rudy. Go bear.
00:05:30
On the other side of this of this page is the young star and Donovan Mitchell.
00:05:35
The electric score.
00:05:36
The guy that predominantly is is, you know, a more of a prototypical star in this leak.
00:05:42
So it's an interesting contrast to look at a guy that, in a sense, and you can look at Rudy Go Bear almost as you know, a guy with a role playing skill set that is a star versus Donovan Mitchell, who has star written over him in every sets.
00:05:57
If I was the Jazz and I had to pick between these two, two things matter. One.
00:06:03
Donovan Mitchell is a little bit younger, so that is more attractive to a Jazz team that, frankly, if these two aren't able to reconcile their differences, they're going to either have to go to rebuild on the fly or tear this down and new.
00:06:16
So, in a sense, you'd want to go with the guy that's gonna be there, have a longer prime and be able to sort of fit in with younger pieces should they acquire those.
00:06:25
Or if you've got a bunch of young pieces in a trade with Rudy, Go Bear.
00:06:29
The other thing is, you know, the Jazz.
00:06:31
As I said, This team, you know, this this defense of mainstay in the n B A.
00:06:36
They had a weird year.
00:06:37
I mean, a lot of people know this.
00:06:38
I'm not the first to report this.
00:06:40
They they were expected to be arguably like a 12 seed.
00:06:43
Everybody loved their offseason, myself included.
00:06:46
There were all these names that they grabbed Ed Davis, who was a favorite.
00:06:49
Still here in Brooklyn.
00:06:51
Jeff Green amongst other players. Mike Conley.
00:06:54
That trade that hasn't worked out great for them so far.
00:06:57
Um, they had a weird year, and it was a weird year for the Jazz in that it wasn't the typical jazz season where they were.
00:07:06
This, you know, really like lock step team, where you just cannot score points on them.
00:07:11
I'm looking at it.
00:07:13
A little bit of stats and research here.
00:07:15
I'm looking at just NBA's Advanced Stats Library right now.
00:07:19
Um, you know, assuming that the season is done today, they would have finished 11th in the league in defense of efficiency.
00:07:28
Um, and from January 1st time.
00:07:31
So basically, since 2020 they've been the 18th best team in defense.
00:07:36
Or, I guess, team defense, you know, next two names like the New York Knicks, the King's, the Mavericks, who are a little bit one sided in a sense.
00:07:45
So it was not your typical jazz season.
00:07:47
And I think a lot of that sort of points to, you know, I'm not, you know, this is not me being like, Well, you know, Rudy Gobert is out of his front because that's ridiculous.
00:07:58
He's still incredibly good.
00:07:59
He's a dominant force, just threw stature alone.
00:08:02
But this was not the best Rudy go bear season like it was not, You know it's funny cause he got selected in the All Star team really sense that his numbers fell by every single month, and I know that this is a guy that is not normally quantified by traditional numbers.
00:08:17
But you know, the thing that he's known for is the category that the jazz fell off exponentially, really since the turn of the All Star break.
00:08:27
So if this gets there.
00:08:29
I think the Jazz would probably be more likely to move Rudy Go Bear just because of his age, his likely curve on how he's going to fall out of his prime.
00:08:39
I you know, he's just so big.
00:08:41
I know that.
00:08:42
Such a lazy ****ysis.
00:08:43
But he's such a big player that you have to wonder how that's going to look over the next couple of years.
00:08:49
And then just the appeal of Donovan Mitchell.
00:08:51
You know, this is a guy that can at best, turn into, you know, a d. Wade.
00:08:57
If, you know, I'm not sure if I'm there as much as I was a couple of years ago, but that is like a possible outcome for him.
00:09:02
Or he could turn into somebody like a Victrola Depot, a really solid, you know, Top 20 top 25 guy that you can have is your cornerstone player.
00:09:12
You connects, achieve some success, and if you either look out in the draft or you're able to attract another player, he's the perfect number two guy.
00:09:20
He's a guy that plays both ends of the floor, so I think there's a lot of interesting things that are gonna come from the story right now.
00:09:28
Although the jazz air making it seem like there's nothing going on here, it's definitely something I would keep an eye on.
00:09:33
I think a lot of people will be in the league.
00:09:35
A lot of teams will be monitoring the situation and depending upon which team you are, whether you're young team or a team that's right on the edge of title contention, you just need that piece.
00:09:45
Maybe that RIM protector.
00:09:47
This is a team that I would keep an eye on.
00:09:48
So it's an incredibly interesting story.
00:09:50
Expect more developments.
00:09:52
And, um, you know, it's stories like this that are gonna feel us throughout this strange period of life without basketball.
00:09:58
So if you have any questions, any thoughts do let me know.
00:10:01
Otherwise, we'll close this out.
00:10:03
I appreciate everybody for hopping on and let's keep an eye on these jazz.
00:10:07
They're interesting.
00:10:08
See you guys
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