And you're getting a little bit of ah, bonus take.
I just finished up wrapping up, talking about Spencer Dinwiddie and some of the some of the things that I've loved about him as a General Nets fan.
Now what we're gonna get to do is actually get a live looking at Doug and I diving.
And I'm recording a podcast as we ramp ourselves back up and start building up our content around the nets.
All right, let's do it.
321 All right, welcome back to the We got Nets podcast on the Overtime Media Network.
And over there is that Omar Brecht.
I realized I already screwed up the beginning, man.
It's been it's been a little bit.
We're a little out of practice here.
That quarantine life's got me thrown off there.
But I didn't do the intro because I forgot to say in your official live broadcast feed on SportsCastr.
And then I was supposed to say my name.
So I'm not gonna do it again because we're nothing if not professional is that we can just kind of keep rolling with it.
But do you feel like, among other things, quarantine.
Life is throwing you off your game.
We'll talk about the Nats.
We'll talk about what you and I have been up to.
It definitely been on a hiatus.
I'm I feel like my I don't want my brains atrophying.
But this is another good example of, ah, of of something that I was, like, so used to just on repetition, saying, And then I came right out of the gate and already screwed it up.
Well, yeah, well, you said you left it for me.
Thio intro myself, and I almost forgot.
Oh, I say howdy, friends.
I talk back when Doug when Doug finishes his thought.
So this is where we are, man.
Like, say, uh, we're gonna talk about, like what life has been like for us.
I, like everyone's dealing with different levels of just, uh, craziness right now.
Obviously, I don't We're not gonna talk about Krone.
Stop rightly. I'm in Jersey.
We're both living in Jersey, so, you know, we're kind of near the epicenter of what the locked down life has been like.
We didn't get together last.
How many days ago? We get together on this thing.
The other problem happened is that these kind of swimming the other days I can't even figure out.
Like what day? We're social.
We had a social distance hangout.
Is it Monday? Yeah.
We had a social.
This is hang out where we had We had said very clear ground rules around how around how we would be able to interact with each other at the house.
Don't understood that better than Ah.
Then your daughter Emma.
She picked up on that very clearly it. So it is a shame.
Said that I would be greatly to cut it short because my youngest was to just doesn't, you know, what can you do? Like stay out of the six foot zone? Uh um because you can you know, you old a sudden you're living girlfriend. Courtney.
My sister in law is ah is running away from her, and it's just like no one knows that act is this is just a just a cluster I don't even know.
I guess I don't really want to talk about this.
But other than that, like, you know, what's what's your quarantine life been looking like? And then we'll talk like I said, we'll talk around.
That's in a little bit here.
But what is a myth? Massive differences for you and your kind of ah stayed home guy.
Anyway, I I am, too, but yeah, well, it's I don't like we both said Courtney works remotely.
I do a lot of freelance work as well.
So relatively speaking, you can go a handful of days and not feel like anything's changed.
And then you think about like all you want to go over and grab a drink over here, you want to just even go to the store.
And then all of a sudden you start to remember all of the all of the restrictions.
I think cooking has been has been more interesting because you you go out and you buy in bulk.
But it's really about trying to get the essentials and on the backhand, I spent a lot of time being like So what? Do I turn a can of diced tomatoes, some rice? I mean, all I have chicken, No matter chicken.
I got an avocado.
Just start whipping things into like the pan together.
I think that the saving grace is that Courtney very much is like, Oh, if I have a little bit of sauce with something, I'm pretty much happy.
So there's not like a high bar for her to be satisfied from Neil standpoint, and I and I Listen, I have cereal, so I survive.
I don't think I am content, man.
I've been doing a lot of my other, my other entity, the Giants coverage and the NFL stuff.
I've been just doing a massive amount of stuff for that because it's just I have so much more free time.
Yeah, I've been like, you know, we talked about this too.
You know, I kind of like, went through a period of almost morning.
I would say not morning like night, then morning morning with warning, the way you feel when something is, like, just removed from your life.
And, um, I went to this like and this is part of the reason we didn't do the podcast for a couple of weeks was that I was just really struggling with on a few fronts, like just I mean, really struggling.
I want let me let me clarify this.
The not really struggles, right? Real struggles are like you can't get enough food or things like that don't mean struggling like that.
Like you have basketball specifically just kind of removed overnight, Literally overnight.
Um, which, by the way, is like how What my core business is tied to you is, like, you know, betting on sports and add that being removed like overnight and trying to deal with the fallout of, you know how, living with you know, when your business is out of business for the time being, um, it was really hard for me to think about jumping on a podcast and talking about the next guy.
You know, if you and I talk privately about it, but I'm just sharing it for the people that are listening out there.
I was like, I just can't I can't do like, a simulated nets trade right now.
You know, like, I can't like Like I can't think about the nuts. I'm out it.
I'm getting out of it now, which is good, um, for sure.
And you kind of helped push me, like, sort of toward that.
But just like on honestly standpoint, the reason we kind of slow down slow down production for a few weeks.
There was definitely just not me.
I was like, I just It's gonna be really, really are for me.
Now again, I'm coming out of it, and I'm gonna re adjusting to what sort of new normal looks like in terms of producing content around a sports team that's not playing, you know, like it like looking, you know, treated as perpetual off season, which I just still just like a little bit weird.
But I'm just saying that from a point, honestly, that, like it was, it took me a few weeks to be like Now I'm ready to start talking about basketball, even if it's like super hypothetical stuff.
Um, what you think is good, but that's that's kind of where I was on Ah, almost like it was like I had, like a friend removed from a right, like having basketball disappear overnight besides just the monetary thing.
But I just the job for a piece of it, you know, we talk about this pockets.
My full time job is, is my other site, and that's that's our main source of income to have it removed.
I was like, man and what it really was like, kinda having like a limb removed that's now slowly starting to grow back and we'll see.
We'll see if it ever fully gets there.
Well, that was like even though.
And of course, obviously, Doug was slipping into into a real dark place.
And it was up to May, you know, the true heart and soul of those who we got next podcast to pull him from the death.
But But the weird thing was that I said to Courtney, I was, you know, like I want to be doing stuff like I don't feel like Why not? We have so much.
It's like extra time, Whatever.
And then is is you could be said right.
We'll get back on, we'll do.
Another episode will start to ramp back up a little bit.
I also then turned the corner.
I don't really I don't know, 100% nowhere.
I want to go with this, though, because it's so atypical from where we had been, especially with the way we were structured off game finishes up, we want to die, then with our reaction.
Want to think about the big plays and where some of these players have gone, who looks better, who looks worse the rotations when all that gets stripped away, like you said the idea of going into, let's say, in a world where Kevin Durant could have been drafted somewhere else, I have a hard time.
Not just maybe, I don't love that kind of content necessarily, but also because I have a hard time transitioning from A.
We've been so used to doing some way joke about having our beats like doing the Beats before the podcast, we had our beats like we had a We had a rhythm around how we would record.
It was very game focused and sort of like other stuff I know other podcasts on aren't necessarily like that, or as much like that were very game focused and breaking things down.
It's like becomes and like, I've kind of even disengaged from Twitter for a little bit because I just again.
Anyway, that's a that's a complaint.
I'm just trying to say that, you know, as we enter a new sort of reality, and I don't think basketball's coming back, I don't think that I think this is the beginning of the off season now, and, um, I happy to be wrong about that I hope I am.
But I just don't think that's gonna be the case.
I think we're gonna see this is now the off season so we can start.
I think we can probably start treating it that way.
And I think I could look at it as it would be a nice little surprise if some semblance of something came back right.
Whether it's, you know, a Vegas tournament or whatever, they end up deciding to dio if they even do it.
I'm just, you know, there's been lots of ideas thrown around, but I don't think we can begin to start treating the Nets.
I think we can begin this church reading this like the off season, So we'll spend we know some time on future podcast talking about you know what off season moves.
That's obviously then, really, Nets universes lived around here.
You know who they can patch together later For another star who the coach is gonna be weakened.
I think we're definitely gonna have to talk about that about the jock bond thing.
The timing on that is really weird.
It's actually funny that I know this was not the way we're going over the podcast.
I really want to know about Dinwiddie, Uh, for a while here, because my man has been Absolutely, but he, uh, we could talk about the Durant controversy with NBA two K.
All that stuff I heard in another podcast.
I can't remember which one.
Um, and I think there's about three or four different basketball podcast.
I listen to us, I really feel bad.
Um, but they were talking about how the Atkinson thing, how many days prior had actions have been fired? Was it like, 7 to 10 days? It was It was the final weekend, and I think it was Yeah, it was only because, I mean, I think I know Vaughn had his first game.
Was it that you think I should even known this? I shouldn't even start talking about this cannonball Thrown off was that Laker that leader Gate was His first game was their second game.
I thought it was the second game, but it might have been the first.
Even that was the game.
They got that win. And then that was it.
So the great what if thing here is that if they just wait till like, the next weekend.
Like, if I think, like Atkinson, still the coach right now, right? Like it's so weird that the timing on that was and I wonder now if, like a what if scenario is if they're not gonna fire me.
Well, the Bulls just fired their coach.
So it's not to say you can't start making moves on, but I'm not gonna compare how the Bulls have been doing things relatives to have.
Brooklyn's been training.
That's that's the record of the movies that he's been killing it up.
But the, you know, like, could you see a scenario where, like, back in my mind, it just like that might have made Atkinson the coach going into next year, right? Like like they were gonna fire him? Do you only mean like this had happened? Maybe it all plays out the same way and whatever and meds, But like, man, I was like, just a few days from just being a totally crazy situation in terms of like he's still, he's still just the active coach of the Nets, and maybe there's not, and what you don't want to do is like have ill will around like you know, this crazy time where we are in terms of the world, about firing, you know, sort of love coach.
All things considered, that makes sense.
I'm saying, like it just like it's such a The timing was, just ends up being so weird.
Well, and it's funny, too, because Sean Marks recently came out and just said they're in a holding pattern in terms of anything that they may do as far as the head coach is concerned, a little they want.
They don't want to try to address it during this time period.
And then on top of that, he was complimentary about Jack's gone and how he's been communicating with his assistant staff.
They've been talking with players, and so the piece that funnels into it is that idea of will if you cause I was thinking about how is there a chance that Jock Fallen gets an opportunity to be the head coach because of the current cir***stances? And maybe the Nets don't feel like you're ever gonna get to really assess a head coach or have somebody come in and get to know them prior to the season.
We're already getting into that weird area where you have been wrapping things up and when.
When do you start the schedule out training camps in the offseason programs for a lot of these teams.
So if you don't feel like you could get that for ahead of it, then maybe your best bet is to take the opportunity and see if Jack Vaughn develops relationships with Kyrie or furthers.
Then they already know that he's familiar with them having been on the staff.
But to your point, if they hadn't fired Kenny Atkinson and you're in this holding pattern, if that's what Sean Marks is communicating now, how could he do that? Would you think that you communicate anything differently as far as Kenya kids, you said we're just gonna wait and see what happens here.
And by the way, too.
We didn't know that there was any inclination that Kenny Atkinson was gonna get fired when he got fired.
That was like an out of the blue shot.
So that's the part where I'm like, maybe it just would have happened this way anyway, right? Like maybe it was just maybe this was a foregone conclusion, and the timing around the embassies in being essentially canceled wouldn't have changed.
What the you know, the larger issues were within the organization, or the locker room or whatever ends up being the exact issues. Jacqueline.
Oh, by the way, I looked.
I was stupid for me not to have mission on this right away, But it was.
It was a second game, first ones against the Bulls and then, ah, with the win.
And then the Lakers was obviously the big the big win.
So, yeah, the defeated Yeah, undefeated.
Let undefeated coach like I won the greatest winning for one of the greatest winning record.
You'll only be time.
You can't You can't surpass the wind percentage of Jacque Bourne. I.
The NBA's a weird place right now with coaches because, uh, it's It's really hard to evaluate coaching short of just seeing coaches do it.
And I know there's there's names have been thrown out for people.
The people that want Mark Jackson.
I'm like, Oh my God, please, no, like the these guys like Jason Kidd and I get the uh, it's funny about the Jackson and kid thing.
They're like two perfect examples teams who's just like elevated like the next level.
A second they left like Jason Kidd was like, I don't know how to use Jonah's And like Coach Bun comes in, he's like to this.
We're just gonna win all the games, right? And then, like, are Jackson's like, I don't know what to do with Steph Curry like I think I like.
And then Steve Kerr comes later and they're just like, Oh, it's our terms.
I could do this and you win all the games So I like these those of them, like, not very exciting to me.
I think there is plenty of I think there are enough sort of like many examples of, you know, Nick Nurse is a good example in Toronto of coaches who take over and a relative unknowns.
I'm gonna put job on in that category now have a relative unknown because he has two games under his belt.
That's kind of it.
More than just, you know, he's a known player and you know it from Kansas Kansas days and whatnot.
But the there is there is something of a road map in terms of how teams have promoted from internally names that you wouldn't have jumped out of the page like they're not the Jeff Van Gundy's on the world.
And these, you know, Tom Thibodeau and guys like this who are, you know, known coaching commodity is that that have a certain level of cachet within the industry industry? A certain cachet in the, er, just the world of basketball.
But I think there's this probably.
I don't think it hurts Jacques Vaughn.
That this happened, if I'm thinking about him is like his trajectory as a coach.
I think that, like one thing that that's probably didn't want to happen is like if you just want If you went like 18 games left, they just went like I know 12 and six over the over the final 18 games, and then they probably would have that might have even put him in a tougher binds because they would have just now you really have to take a strong look at like what you think about him.
So they're in a very words file with the coaching thing.
If you had to make a guess right now, short of any news, do you think he's the coach of the beginning of the year next year? Yeah, I would I would think so unless they had, unless they had some type of plan.
Or if Kevin Durant and Kyrie had given them a sense of a guy that, like Lou Lou Williams, was thrown out there as maybe being Terrell.
Um, Tyler, I got there.
Took me a minute Tylo as being the coach that maybe was the player kind of coach guy that both the superstars would be comfortable with.
If they have that sense from from Kevin Durant Kyrie, then I think it's almost like, Well, this was the foregone conclusion and we were gonna let Jock fallen just play out the rest of this season, and we're not overly concerned one way or the other about when we make that change.
But, you know, Jack Form was there in San Antonio.
They brought him along with Kenny Atkinson.
So you can say, Well, he got ready, Kenny, you could easily convert a jock.
But my sense right now is I would think all things being equal, not knowing anything definitive about potential candidates, I think that yes, given the cir***stances, you would assume Jock Point at least gets the opportunity to start the season as the coat, and I don't think there's what are the real potential pitfalls of making a change during the upcoming season.
If you have Durant and Kyrie Irving healthy on the court, you're pretty much guaranteed there's a There's a pretty high floor for what your win totals are, regardless of who's coaching you think is the problem, not the wind.
What the next coach of the Nets is only gonna be is only going to be based success wise on championships.
I like that Winds are gonna be.
The winds are neither really here nor there.
It's the next piece.
It's it's the it's the championship caliber.
Those credentials are how lik Ken Yakin's and Windle Katie Atkins.
It was a win total coach.
Right? For right now, it's like, How many wins can you gotta squeeze out of this team in terms of, you know, whatever access, nose and motivation you can give.
That was that was that was a watermark, the waterline for where he was going to be judged that the next coach is not gonna be on that same thing.
And then no one's gonna care if they win 60 games.
You know, Lake or 55 or 50 it's gonna be how far they get in the playoffs.
I think that's the only thing that's gonna matter.
And I think that's got that's gotta worry you from accident.
No standpoint, worry about.
If you just haven't seen Vaughn's anyway, I know this wasn't gonna take in a lot of gas here, but it's kind of the timing of the Atkinson thing ended up being such a such a weird thing.
We didn't talk about anybody.
Yeah, I've been I've been following on Twitter Special did what he has is using things, quarantine, time to do something a little different than what you typically see athletes doing.
He is always been a really outspoken guy.
He's obviously incredibly intelligent guy, Um, that that really goes without saying I felt I felt the need to say it anyway.
But he's a really, really smart dude, really.
Outgoing guy has never had a problem, sort of voicing whatever.
It's sort of on his mind.
But he started this thing where he's like pretending Lee.
He's the GM of ah of James and he did it for the Bulls.
Have you ever like seen an example of it so brazen, cause he's actually talking about real players in terms like moves that he would make.
And he you did a pretty good job of keeping and generally positive, you know, like not making it so that he said like that, you know, excellent of this guy stinks or whatever, but, um, did you rehab? You'll have your chance.
A chance to read to the threats.
All kind of got kind of break down the threat, but really read the whole thing because if he goes really in depth of what he would do for the Bulls and I think a lot of his tongue in cheek.
But not all of it is, you know, you never walk us through some of those bullet points cause I basically just saw that little step little headline come across for you.
Spencer Dinwiddie player slash again for the Bulls and Mike.
My other thought was I was like, Well, that's weird.
You know, you always get so much chatter around sports leagues and the tampering what you're allowed to do or not.
Do I feel like anything expensive? Didn't we just like shredding all over these policies.
But I gotta tell you what I'd be doing, and not that there's any realistic thing to it.
But he's just like talking about You said I'm executing trades left and right, pal.
I'm setting up the pieces on the chess board for other teams around the league.
Oh, I mean, if a GM or a coach did that said like even one 1 1/100 of what he said in his text threat, are this Twitter threat.
That person would be just facing such massive finds in terms of in terms of tampering because he just goes and mentioned specific players and specific moves.
So I guess it's not a double standard because ultimately the player, some players, I guess, control how management sort operates in terms of what they do on a player moving basis.
But the players have much west to do that with that.
Then, you know, say the Magic Johnson's in the world, who were always mentioning these guys sort of like on late night shows and stuff, whatever you get interviewed about it and then wouldn't be subsequently finds because he's tip other players, you know, get a key brother play of his name out your mouth, but did what he basically makes himself the GM slash coach of the Bulls and trades himself to the bowl was for Thomas and Thomas Oseransky.
That was, um, and then goes and makes it a point that Davis onto the team like and says like that close to Antony. David.
So right away he starts just talking about other players on other teams where he's gonna d'oh! Um, I'm gonna go get ahold thing that should keep marketing.
Um, he's gonna keep some of the younger guys on the team because Kobe White, who had just started just been starting now back on the bench.
And I guess he starts himself over.
Kobe White, who had been the stuff of the starting point guard down, pulls, um it was often just mentions a bunch of the names he wants add like Mo Harkless and coming today.
Yes, it's a pretty interesting planet, is really? You think we see I like I said, I'll put them up with the threat and I'm not gonna read through the entire thing, But do you think we Seymour sort of like stuff like this happen from players where they just say, Look, we're on quarantine, We're bored. It's fun.
Who cares? It's not ever gonna really happen.
But why can't I just do like a little speculated? But he put drumming on the team to play the five.
Um, makes sense not to stay there in Cleveland, but he's keeping.
He's keeping the framework.
He's giving you some realistic expectations about what could be accomplished.
I think maybe you're a point, though, as we've always said, when we talk about Dengue witty and his contract and what he wanted to do, we do with that with the Nets, like I think that day.
But he is a different kind of guy now.
There's other people around the league, Kevin Durant being one of them with the board room, like, you know what? These guys have other endeavors beyond the court.
But the stuff that's gone on, like the N B A to K tournaments and you know things like that seems more in line.
Lis, like, I just picture a lot of these guys.
They all seem to be into playing two K.
I assume that that's what a lot of these guys were doing in her free time not maybe sitting down and ****yzing rosters and thinking about you know, how you could transition yourself into an executive role on another team.
I mean, but that's one of the things that I love that about Didn't Woody? Also, though, we talked about before I started recording, I'm a little disappointed that that Spencer Dinwiddie a guy that I've been advocating, that the Nets need to keep on this roster.
And I think you could be an important piece.
He's ****ting himself off.
I'm concerned that one of the players that I'm the highest on is actually saying we should get rid of him or maybe starting to distance himself now, in terms of like, because it all roads, making a trade for somebody and trying to figure out like who those pieces are that they can ship off and we're gonna we're gonna go through.
I don't want to go all the way down this rabbit hole now in this podcast.
But, um, you didn't He's clearly we've been mentioned.
Obviously, liver, it's out there.
And Jared Allen? No.
What do with Joe Harris and all this other stuff? Did you wonder if part of it is him saying, Look, look, the business man, I kind of get it all right? Or just totally get it.
I kind of came out of nowhere here.
I maybe didn't ever expect to be sort of like this well known, even at this point, we had a great season.
We're talking about stats here in a second, but like you just have like, just, you know, a great season.
Um, no doubt about it, but I wouldn't have to.
This is part of him being like, Hey, everyone, it's cool.
Like if I get traded, it's been if I If I don't great, I'll stay on the team.
But if I get traded, it's cool.
I'm sort of like mentally preparing myself for it anyway, because it's also kind of like tough to see him on the team if they try to package together for almost like from an emotional standpoint, I'll talk about a tongue in cheek, but there's also like a very good chance I'm just not on the Nets anymore, and I just move on to the next stage of my career in some other place.
Well, we thought about it before about how you get attached to players.
You know, even Jared Allen, Whatever.
Something's pieces that get talked about when the Net may make some moves, I think his fans, or even if you're ****yzing.
So if you know this guy wants to be here, he says.
A lot of the right things, but more, more and more.
You always hear players.
I think we understand.
It's a business.
You know the team's gonna need to do what they need to do.
They have to make the right move.
So I don't think well, they may like playing in a particular area and I said, like Joe Harris, he said, how he'd like to stay in Brooklyn and all those things and that and that's great.
But they also, you know.
But they also realize, well, I need to get a contract.
I need to make money.
I need to further my career and Indian Woody's case.
I think it's also I also need to further what I'm going to be beyond the N B A because I'm never going to get I'm not a Super Max contract guy, so I'm trying to maximize what my value is and that maybe a little bit.
What I feel like he's also doing in these quarantine times is just accentuating some of the other other areas.
Be on the game that I could, maybe the useful and they don't even be about. I'm not.
I'm not legitimately saying I should be the GM player of the team, But I may be communicating that I could be a great ENDA ****yst in my in my post playing career.
I might be a guy that could be entertaining and engaging in some other platforms.
So, um, you know, it's unfortunate and I had said We talk about those numbers you mentioned.
This is a guy who this past season put himself in top 10 categories all time in its history, in terms of average points per game in terms of assists per game.
So for May, I guess I can't separate it.
I'm like this is the guy that they could be a long term player after Kevin Durant Kyrie go away following probably these contracts and hopefully championships, This could still be the guy that you kind of look at and say Yes, Spencer Day Money Man spent 10 years with the team and went down as one of the fan favorites, one of maybe the net greats of all time.
And, ah, and if Eddie see sweeping the legs out from underneath me? And he's just thinking about the business side of things, which I always have a hard time separating with the amount of game last year played every game this season.
So, um, and I think you could probably make a pretty strong case that his minutes we're gonna keep trending up because like Atkinson was like a big sort of like the Minute Scott thing.
But we're really starting to look like Jack Bowen was not gonna be that guy.
So I think you could make a fair case that 31 minutes a game, which they already have been averaging when they when they stopped, was gonna look more like 33 to 34 down the stretch it into the playoff.
Another playoff numbers don't matter for these other stats for talking about, but I think you could make a reasonable case that the minutes we're going to increase He was averaging 20 around 21 points, 20.
6 that would not have put him points per game in the top 10 but it would have been put him, like around Top 15 the top 20 somewhere licking their.
But just by the way, the other names on this list of like Julius Erving, Vince Carter, a lot of thought of Julius Erving and Vince Carter would like a Marbury kind of thrown in there, Rick Perry way put him, put him 76.
I mean, in points per game, his numbers would have picked up.
He almost definitely would have landed the top 10 for most three pointers hitting the season.
Which, um, those numbers are gonna continue to get kind of thrown off.
Because three point shooting is so greatly increased over the last few years that all three point shooting numbers, like for almost forever, are gonna be tied toe most recent performance, right? Like it's not.
They just they just take so many more three pointers this year.
Now, then they ever did.
But, you know, even guys like Darren Williams there still top 10 year Joe Johnson.
Still, most three point field goal was made in the season but didn't really probably would enter the top 10 for that.
He's already already was number nine all time for field goal attempts for the Nets.
3 point field goal.
Attempts on the season, eh? So he probably would have entered.
You probably got almost like top five when it was all said and done.
So not like these numbers really matter.
And if you get a lot of play a lot of minutes, a lot of players are gonna put up numbers.
But I don't know.
Do you think like it does look like when it's all said and done, He's gonna find himself on a bunch of, like, sort of like Top 10 the top 20 list when it comes the Nets all time stuff, and I guess that that's worth it's worth.
Something is it means you got a long enough look toe to be able to kind of land in these places.
Well, that was some of the other other content that I've done on.
The SportsCastr platform was talking about a different point.
Guards throughout Nets.
That's history that I've really liked in my age, range and stuff, you know, going back to the early nine isn't like that one of The things that I end up coming across is how you can talk about Jason Kidd.
So he's here for a long run.
And then after that, there was, like just just total rotating cast of characters.
The Darren Williams, the Devin Harris is the Jeremy Lin pop up.
You know, even D'Angelo Russell comes in for a small stints.
So, you know, I think, in other, more established franchises like the L A Lakers, you know, in some of these teams around the league in this Antonio Spurs, they're very consistent with the team and the model that they have here in and year out the Nets that haven't really had that.
So when you start to talk about longevity of having been on the team now for four full seasons and theoretically could be here for a bit longer, that is from from Annette's fan standpoint, that's an accomplishment just being a guy that was relied on enough that the organization wanted to keep you here because everything else prior to that has been, you're bringing the guy in a one or two year deal.
Rotate this cast of characters through.
And obviously one Sean Marks came in.
Everything was about balancing the books and getting his franchise back on even ground.
And even in that you still managed to survive that wave as well.
So I don't know.
I don't know how much it's worth to say that he could be up in these rankings when it's all said and done.
But I I know from a fan perspective I love that he is climbing and I hope that he gets the chance to do it because again, not tow the ****.
Who having Kyrie and Katie? But they're not gonna be here long term.
This isn't you know this isn't a 67 year run with Kevin Durant.
Kyrie, Irving, this is about a specific.
What would you say that? What? I mean, you're just taking, like, just general M B.
A landscape stuff from like that.
This is like sort of the New World Order is these guys superstars move around a lot Or you just believe that because you think they're like, kind of hired guns for this time? Because I'm kind of surprised to hear you say that, like so calm.
I've really thought about and this is not six.
That's not what comes to mind.
When I think of those guys, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just like a little thrown off by that.
Do you think just because it's like that's just how the FBI works now or two, like you think that's just like what these guys have kind of showing about themselves in the past because that's like a pretty, like a bold statement, whatever.
But it's like you strike me as like the first thing I think about when I think about these guys, Well, I guess and I could be on it could be proven wrong.
I love to be proven wrong, by the way, I guess I look at it from if you take.
I read his word and say that he want to come back to this area of the country where you know where he's from originally, that's awesome and I could easily see a scenario where after this contract the Nets re up with him.
But I can also think that if Kevin Durant looked at the organization right now, knew that Kyrie Irving was going to be this piece that came in with him and he saw this window to maybe win one or possibly even two championships.
I can see him at the end of these contracts, looking at Kyrie and the injury history and maybe kind of understanding that in this certain pocket, when when Kyrie is hitting his absolute peak of his career, I can win another couple championships.
And then maybe I look out at the landscape and I try to identify another player that I may want to pair up with somewhere.
Or maybe I want to get back to the West Coast in some capacity, and I look just for the next opportunity and I wouldn't I wouldn't knock it anyway for it.
I can see Chae Ri staying on, but I don't know what what the longevity of the partnership is. And maybe it Maybe it is.
It's the Kyrie injury piece that I look at the most because if Kyrie isn't a part of this Kevin Durant alone on this team, I don't doesn't equal a championship.
Now I can trust the organization to build around him over the next couple of years and maybe give him ah perspective that says, Hey, we can keep doing this, but you're already seeing right now those two contracts and the impact that it has on some of the other pieces So is Joe here is going to be here, going forward to even have the rooms.
You could afford to keep a guy like that.
And if you can't keep some of the secondary piece is, obviously there's.
There's plenty of cases to point to and say You can still pull this off with veteran minimum contracts that fill out your roster when championships That way, I don't know. Maybe.
Yeah, maybe I tricked myself into into automatically assuming this, but I always looked at it as one.
These are either one and done contracts that, after which the Nets are goingto have to reassess and reevaluate how they want to move forward.
And I don't know, maybe I'm not even 100% wrong and I don't know, I just didn't see it being a more than that in the 80.
Agent injuries play a factor, too.
I don't think you're wrong.
I was just I was just surprised to hear I guess I was like that when I think I also maybe just don't put too much stock in, like, the future for myself.
I was like a nihilist just and I don't have I don't have a lot of perspectives.
As far as the future goes future, we're all gonna die.
It's just that I you know, there's so many movie cases around these players, too, because, like all it takes is one I don't like the way we mentioned 80 admitted to go with the Bulls like he's a free agent after this year is gonna stay with the Lakers, Probably.
But who knows? Like I like this is not a guarantee that he's gonna be a Laker forever.
Remember, you got traded there.
He wasn't He didn't sign it like it was.
It's not necessarily what is was his first choice.
I mean, I get that, you know, he wanted to trade in all this stuff, so I get it.
But, um, and all signals say that he is gonna stay, but he has never come out and said he was going to be definitely hasn't signed a contract like doesn't take much for the N B.
A balance of power to start shifting a little bit and, you know, 80 ghost one place and that players like I never thought I had a chance to go someplace and play with a D.
You know, what? If Jonah's doesn't resign with the box all of a sudden, it doesn't take much.
And the player list is short, that players that can actually tipped the scales when it comes to stuff like this.
But there are enough of them that, like those two guys just come to mind like they're not.
If they don't, they were to move.
You could see mass movement across the association because you know those guys you wanna play with those guys if you have a chance.
I think that doesn't take much to sort of like to kind of just moves thing, move things around them and start doing like these hypotheticals.
Oh, God, no, No, it is a synthesis.
Is that this is a proposed nothing.
I just pictured Johannes and Kevin Durant playing on the state, that same team and whatever it was, whatever just the length of them, I just I I went Only that'd be the longest.
You know, duo of players just get selling up and down the court together with third with her length and size.
Any lengthy guys, by the way, you get a chance.
You got to go look at the Jonathan's family photo and remember that he's like 6 10 because across the board, just like everyone, including a sister, just massive like there's also all like this, just like he doesn't like dwarf over them across the board.
I'm his brother.
Dallas is on the Lakers, the first around teams a couple times.
He's on the Lakers and Maps to, But yeah, between him and then.
But like a sister looks like she's about 66 like the dads, like, kind of like right in line with their hearts as well.
I was hoping you were hoping you're gonna say, You gotta look at the photo because everyone is like 55 across the board, and then there's this one being stock standing there, just like that.
We're gonna get out of here, we'll be back.
We're gonna set a more regular schedule going forward.
We're going to talk about a lot of hypothetical stuff in terms of trades.
Um, you know, there was, like a thief like you couldn't even get into the n b A to k controversy with Grant.
There was there was a vegetarian vegan kind of stuff floating around Nets world.
This is how you know you're really in the dregs of like, trying find things to talk about.
A team like Veganism came up is a talking point about the actions of peace.
There's still stuff to talk about. Here.
We'll send him work.
Uh, we'll set a more consistent schedule probably couple times a week going forward.
Now that, at least like the world, has returned to a sense of scheduling normal in that.
Like, you don't really have anywhere to go.
There's still nothing to watch, but it's good to be back talking to Buddy.
I'm glad to be pulling myself out of the ah, but the sad depths of not having sports anymore.
But I missed you.
I could barely even see you were fading away so hard.
So, yeah, listen, I'm happy to be back, too.
And obviously we love doing this when we're gonna be loved and to ramp it back up.
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