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We dive in on what will now be the third part in Are Leaving with 14 or we're working a little bit of audio feedback as well.
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Nevertheless, if you follow us over on SportsCastr, one of the things we start to look at was the last 25 years and really even the line 34 basically the span of my fandom as a New Jersey and also Brooklyn Nets fan and some of the point guards that kind of threat through there.
We started with Kenny Anderson back in that 91 92 season, and though his time with the Nets was relatively short, we still highlighted how he was actually one of those key components that took the Nets to back back to back, actually, three consecutive playoff appearances before his departure.
You move all the way down the line to 2001 when the Nets are able to bring in Jason Kidd, and that starts that Richard Jefferson era.
We also came and talked about Jefferson as well, in between our point guard sessions and the run that they went on a 1 to 6 consecutive playoff appearances.
Obviously never got over the hump the 1st 2 years coming up short in the finals.
But the threat that we started to notice, of course, is the quality of the point guard position and how that is dictated the success for this franchise over the last 2025 years.
So while we're still gonna start to get into some of these other positions that we that we like, Richard Jefferson immediately jumped out because the length of his career directly coincided coming in as a rookie when the next sign Jason Kidd.
But then I started thinking about the others, right? You talk about how you've had the D'Angelo Russell just a couple of years ago comes over from the Lakers.
Bit of a reclamation project.
He wasn't exactly the ingratiating himself to the MBA, but because of his time that he had with Brooklyn and getting us back into the playoffs on a great on a great run.
There he ends up finding himself back with the Golden State Warriors in California again so back close to where he started with the L A Lakers and ultimately gets himself out there to join the big cat with the Timberwolves.
And what looks like could be the long term destination for him.
So you know he's there for a year.
Relatively short stent.
You can talk about the Darren Williams and the Devin Harris is and the Jeremy Lin's that came through there, and there's also ah, whole other host of random players, but just really kind of a rotating cast of characters that came in for a year or two here a year or two there.
And even though we have that little chunk of time when you think about the Kevin Garnett Paul Pierce era, obviously that didn't come to fruition, and I think that that was really maybe because it's *****ed by the back end of the Billy King time as the general manager and everything that we gave way to get those guys in the door and how, even at the time of that trade, nobody thought that making that move was going to equal a success for Brooklyn in terms of getting a championship.
So when you give up all those assets like they did, you knew that it was either going to be.
You win the chip, you win the trophy or it's a complete bust.
They don't win it.
They don't even get near winning a championship.
And then ultimately, as Sean Marks comes in to take over, we see the Rebuild start to happen for the Brooklyn Nets.
And along the way, we picked up some reclamation projects, right? One of the guys that will touch on at some point as we do some of these player profiles and go position by position over the years is going to be a guy like Joe Harris, relatively unknown around the league, comes to Brooklyn, does what he does from the outside as we know a couple of those lumber Joe Fist pumps, especially on the SportsCastr broadcast that we've been doing throughout what was the end of season Ah, and then that's where you come to the point guard that I almost didn't think about getting too in a lot of ways until I took a step back and thought about the impact that he's had on this team, What he's meant making the playoffs when ah, D'Angelo, Russell was here and even last year.
Ah, and coming into this season as well and the elevation that he's been able to have in his game and that Spencer dammit it.
You talk about players that you're just a fan off that you naturally gravitate towards.
There's nothing about Spencer Dinwiddie that doesn't make you want to get excited and want to see him do well.
Want to see him lead this team to some of the opportunities that they had.
So what we'll do is, of course, go in and share a couple of different screens here for ourselves.
See if we can ah shows some highlights off Spencer dignity in his time so far with the Brooklyn Nets.
And of course, we'll also take a look at the stat line that he's had because remember, this is a guy who's drafted in by the Detroit Pistons and really just bounces around the league.
He goes from Detroit.
He spends time in Cleveland.
Ultimately, I believe he ends up on the Chicago Bulls for one year and a lot of time in the D League level.
It's some of these stops as well.
Now there's different aspects to it.
Some of it is developing your game.
And I think, you know, sometimes you talk about.
Unlike other sports, take the NFL, where you can say 2nd 3rd round selections of these air guys that can still be diamonds in the rough.
Or maybe you're still quality players.
You expect any contributors and starters.
You go over to MLB, where the structure of their draft is really your drafting and future talent Everywhere you go.
The number one overall pick may spend a handful of years in the farm system before they feel like you developed him to the point where you want to bring him up to the majors for the MBA.
By and large, everyone says it's not even just just first round talent.
A lot of times you're talking about if you get picked in the top 45 selections, that's what your marks you to be one of those players that you expect to go to leave franchises.
Even when you get into the middle of the first round, you're talking about taking chances on some of these guys and not necessarily knowing what you're going to get ultimately out of a player over the course of their career.
So the difference between sports a sport about what the expectations are for a player certainly shifts a little bit.
And the case of Spencer Dinwiddie, though just like in this is universal for sports.
These are all guys that were, you know, considered some of the best at high school.
Some of the best in college, you know, are well touted athletes before they get to the N. B. A.
When you pet play at the elite level of anything, you're inevitably going to fall into some type of category and hierarchy of where people perceive you to be and what people think.
Your skill set can certainly turned into long term.
But we talk about a little bit and just want to run through quickly where his stops were as he came in.
So he comes in with the Detroit Pistons back in 2014 and in that draft he is drafted 38th overall.
So again, you're talking about a player that's not taken in the first round of the draft.
So a second round talent, maybe a developmental player that you want to see in the D League.
So from that standpoint, the fact that he isn't necessarily playing at a high level are being given an opportunity for that early in his career isn't all that surprising because based on where he's taken, you think? Okay, spend a couple of years in the G League, maybe build up some of these skill sets and then have an opportunity to be a backup and maybe continue to grow in that role as well.
Nobody appears in 34 games for the Pistons as a rookie, but then he bounces around.
He ends up in the Chicago Bulls there.
Where's the other stock that they have a long way? Cleveland Cavaliers are also thrown in.
There s oh, there's a number of opportunities that he has bounced around before.
Ultimately, he signs with the Nets in 2016.
So, well, go ahead and just get up.
Some of these to run in the background here because what I'd like to do is stare at my face this entire time.
Let's go ahead and get up some highlights to run as we talk a little bit more about what he did as he started to join him with Brooklyn.
Then we're gonna dive in on some of those statistical categories and really talk about what we're excited about him going forward with the Brooklyn Nets.
Hopefully, there's that.
There's that element of it as well.
We'll go and get me.
Let's be completely out of this screen here.
So they're showing through some of those highlights here, This one coming with some of those late game shots there.
The half court heave by Spencer.
We get that little pesky adverti*****t out of the way.
But again, he comes over to the next in 2016.
And even at that point as well, you think about the signs in.
Ah, you know, in that particular season, 15 of his career high points of is not a career high season. I excuse me.
19 points came in the fourth quarter performance, where the Nets actually lost.
If you remember 1 29 1 25 to the Milwaukee Bucks.
But he was starting to show signs here, made a couple of clutch free throws against the Chicago Bulls in that season as well, and then starts to move through it.
And you think back to when you have the Angelo Russell on this roster.
You're still looking at Spencer dimly as being a leader of that second unit.
But season by season under Sean Marks, is the GM, obviously.
And then, of course, under Kenny actions and no longer the head coach of the New York of notable of the Brooklyn Nets mixing up my two entities.
But it's interesting to see, and we talked about it on the podcast where, as we mix on that, I guess I gotta pull get my house back off or you're sorry and we're taking a look at my at my background Information on him is you start to think about Spencer Dinwiddie and the role that he's played for the Nets over over to his time here since 2016.
The idea was when he first came in okay, you're taking a chance on a guy.
Maybe he can develop.
We'll see what happens as Joe Harris fires went out to the perimeter.
You watch him against Miami here, elevate and splash that one down.
The Nets are trying to make a bit of a come back there in that fourth quarter against Miami.
You know, the idea was, maybe he can develop, right? You're taking a shot on a guy.
Then he kind of developed.
You say Okay, now he's now he's a contributor coming off the bench for us.
Then at a certain point, you say, Okay, now he's the leader of our second unit, and this is a guy that we can trust.
Then you take it even a step further and say, as D'Angelo Russell is playing, remember when he is there with the Brooklyn Nets? Kenny Atkinson wasn't trusting him late in games.
So again, Spencer dimwit.
His role is elevated expectations.
You can clearly see that he liked becomes a leader on this roster.
This past season, we bring in Kyrie Irving.
We all know we're wait, we're waiting on Kevin Durant.
But then Kyrie Irving goes down.
There is no more D'Angelo Russell.
And just like that, with with Caris Levert also getting injured Spencer Dinwiddie gets thrust into a starting role and he takes off.
He instantly changes what the expectations are for him because it becomes a leader.
And normally, as Doug and I have talked about on the podcast, you know, it's not the ones for one that a player that gets 2020 minutes a game and you look at it stat lines and you say, Well, if you gave him 30 minutes, you can go ahead.
Just extrapolate all of those stats out and he's gonna and he's gonna be able to be a player that instead of giving you 12 points again, he's going to give you 19 points a game.
Instead of having six assists, he's gonna have 11 assists.
Typically, that's not the way it works, because the reason why these guys are into a minute restriction and Clay, how you plead out how they are is because they're good.
They're tapped at that number almost right there.
Skills that is based on not being a starter coming off the bench, benefiting from secondary matchups on other teams as well.
So you think about if you're the leader of the second unit, you're typically more often than not getting matched up against backup point guards and backup center.
So, in terms of court vision and being able to put your teammates in good positions that have success, you're playing against a slightly less talented group of players on the opposition.
So all of your stat lines are going to see a little bit of inflation versus playing against the starters.
But this past year, for Spencer, dimwitted, we ended up finding out was actually, he couldn't do it against the best players in the league, across the board, and you don't worry about it.
So then I start to really highly rely on him, and ultimately, he excelled.
Right? Came up with a lot of big wins.
Now there was a certain plateau.
They're not necessarily for him from a talent standpoint or skill standpoint, and I think it was more just about There was a certain point in that season where you were seeing a player that was being asked to do a lot for this team.
Borderline, you know, leave the team, be the point guard, facilitate the offense also, by the way, you're gonna want to make sure that when the game's on the line the fourth quarter.
You're the option that we're looking to and whether it ends up being an opportunity for a Joe Harris or someone from the perimeter tohave a look.
It's still gonna be about ball in your hand.
You're going to need to make the right play call here.
And in a time when you didn't have Caris, Levert, Kyrie, Irving, you're also talking about guys late in games.
You know Joe Harris? Can he take the last shot? Make it, of course, but he can't ball in hand, come down the floor, create space for himself and then give him and then given opportunity to knock down a big shot like that.
He's going to be spotting up working off of double screens.
Same thing with a player like Jared.
And could you put him in the low post and getting the bullets even Goto work? Well, you know he's starting to develop that skill set, but that hasn't been his calling card.
More than likely, you want him setting a screen out front, rolling to the basket and possibly again being the recipient of court vision and the decision making of the point guard So over the course of this past season, when Kyrie wasn't available and then a zoo, Caris, Levert came back.
You started to see that bounds.
We saw some of the monster games from Caris Levert.
That kind of showed you what we hoped coming out of that playoff.
Siri's the previous year against the Philadelphia 76 years.
But in the meantime, it was all on Spencer Dinwiddie.
He took on that role, took on that responsibility and really excelled in it.
So as you see that beautiful, it'll drop off there in the floater for the throw, getting that one to go down.
So they're some of the some of the obviously the fun highlights taking on either that or invent Vince Carter.
We haven't even talked about him yet in his time with the New Jersey Nets.
As we all like to say, we'll pull back in here to, ah, to my beautiful face, the that up.
If you were the Vince Carter fan from the early two thousands in his time alongside Ah, Jason Kidd and still Richard Jefferson there as well. Jason Collins.
You want to throw out a center that is near and dear to the hearts of next fans, but not necessarily other players on other teams are fans around the league.
How about Brian celebrating? I don't know if we'll do an entire special on him, but I feel like there's there's probably something for the old deal Scalabrine that we could dive in on that being.
The case, though we can start to talk about now, is this is including this season, obviously.
Ah, Spencer Dinwiddie, now 26 years old.
So we'll go ahead on and we will share the stat lines Here.
You start to get a sense of where he's gone after those 1st 2 seasons.
They don't no no list.
I thought that they had that one other stop there, but doesn't look like they're showing a time.
There was Chicago, but nevertheless 1st 2 years with Detroit.
So we'll start to get that up on the screen for you and we can talk a little bit about where those averages have gone, where those numbers have gone and possibly what is the ceiling for this player and then, unfortunately, there's a negative aspect of this discussion when it comes to bring in Kyrie and K d And what this roster made shift, too.
When you look ahead to next season, whatever that whenever that comes to pass.
And now obviously, in these in these interesting kinds were and we're not sure what's gonna happen a cz faras the current embassies and whether or not they're going to get anything off the ground to feel like you had a chance to maybe, ah, see out just what could have been.
Obviously, L a Lakers and just some of these teams around the league that we're feeling like they were lined up their Brooklyn wasn't necessarily in that category, But I'm sure there's a lot of teams and a lot of duos that wish they could get back on the court to finish out what felt like a promising season for them.
So, well, go ahead and get this screen share back up and running and let's see.
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All right, so now we start to talk of that.
As we said, two years in Detroit and you see right, 34 games only played in 12 games that second year with Detroit.
Then there's that layover crossover.
With his additional stops, you start to look at those percentages.
No, you know, 30% that rookie year from the from the field.
So that's not going to get it done in the n B.
A lead at the N B A level obviously a lot of G lead time for him as well when he was with Detroit.
By the way, take a look at this.
Now is only averaging.
Uh, we talk about your three point attempts.
Is only averaging two a game, but he is it in 34 games started one that rookie season Onley knocking down 18% under 19% from three point range.
You know he's giving you two point percentage up a 37.
5, so, you know, respectable in that regard.
Field goal percentage.
Very nice, though again on Lee averaging one field goal attempt for contest.
So you're not exactly getting a real deep, a real deep sample size in that particular year, averaging four points a season Now this is a nice number here, though.
The three assists per game that was an impressive number already showing that he had the ability of facilitate and three assists.
When you're talking about in just 13.
5 minutes of action, obviously shows that that from a leader leadership standpoint, court vision facilitation, he had that in his bag already when he first came into the league second year again.
Lot of G lead time.
We kind of skipped over that.
It's only a 12 gauge sample size, averaging 4.
He joins the Brooklyn Nets, and here it is, right.
You can start to take a look at it.
59 games starts.
18 of them, please.
Just under about 2022 a half minutes per game on.
Lee averages five field goal attempts but knocks down 44% from the field.
He gives you 37 almost 38% from beyond the arc, attempting just under 23 pointers per contest.
But the percentage automatically jumps up.
So here's an example of a guy who, as he's getting consistent minutes and this is true regards of where you're drafted, we're talking about, you know, highlighting that when you're taking in the later rounds.
They're not necessarily looking for someone t X selling right out of the gate.
And you don't think that if you just give him more minutes, they're going to be a better player.
But when you go back to that rookie season, you could make the case right.
34 games and what he's averaging.
They're only in 13 minutes.
Detroit may have missed the up there.
I think it's certainly missed the opportunity now, looking back to have given him maybe a little bit of a bigger opportunity there to see what they had in him.
A supposed to limiting his opportunity in his minutes and in effect, not knowing enough to be sure if you wanted to move on from her, not thought maybe you had someone you could continue to develop.
That being said, though, as we talk about that 59 game 18 starts, 22 a half minutes gives you that 44% from the field, 37 a half from beyond the arc.
You know, the two point percentage overall is giving you almost 48% on on two point attempts.
So shooting in a very high clip when he's inside the Ark, and then you talk about the free throw attempts now, this is where you get that better balance.
As we said, you know, 34 games, the attempt that just one from the free throw line.
Here he starts taking almost three a game.
He's hitting better than to two out of three.
So nearly 80% that's healthy enough for you gives you a nice helping hand on the defensive side of the ball with 2.
3 defensive rebounds, almost three rebounds a game.
But now here's the interesting thing, and this is how you start to compare it right? 3.
1 assist, same as when he was playing 13.
5 minutes in his rookie season.
So again, all of these numbers don't just automatically jump up the you know he's playing an extra 11 minutes per game you're not going to see that type of automatic increase.
And he still just year 3 23 years old.
Member comes in the league a 21 so still a little bit of time to develop their as well.
Ah, and then we talk about 7.
3 points per game.
So you did see that bump up there in those numbers and again, it's just because you're talking about getting more attempts, five attempts to make it just over to there and actually go back to that rookie year.
Same number of attempts.
So that means he's probably chucking it up a little bit more in his rookie season and then with the Nets, he starts to get a little bit more selective, taking advantage of the opportunities that he's given coming off the bench and again got a handful of starts, now, 2017 2018.
This is where it this is where it gets going here for you because he starts in 58 games, do the opportunity and injury.
80 games played and 58 games started and he gave you almost 29 minutes per contest knocked down and this is where you see over 29 minutes of action, shooting 38 almost 39% from the field.
So again, you look the year before 44% based on opportunity, playing primarily a little bit more, which is 18 starts over 59 games.
So a lot of that is coming to your second unit the next season, though he's starting in 58 games.
Playing against more more starter minutes against starting defense is so it comes down a little, but still, she's almost 50 39% from the field.
The three point percentage comes down a little, although he does also see a huge increase in those numbers.
So, you know, goes from shooting 1.
5 threes a game toe.
5 There knocks down nearly two per contest, 32% pretty solid.
But the nice one here again, the two point field goal percentage as if you've watched him over the years.
You know it's developed more and more, especially these last couple of seasons, that slashing to the basket, attacking downhill.
So he's getting those easy look percentages around the basket as well.
But shooting it's 45% free throw percentage stays right where you wanted to be up 81.
Now it takes a little bit of an uptick there.
And then here's the other really nice number.
6 assists per contest.
So averaging in just 29 minutes of action.
5 sister game means that he's facilitating.
So when he is on the floor and these were in starting minutes as well, you can rely on him to make the right play and trying to put some of his teammates in those solid positions.
Now the turnovers per game.
This is something that we talked about a little bit, and you seeing that year by years, we move forward.
You know, turnover and 1/2 per contest there in 2017 18.
Not too good not to jump ahead or too much, But you see how it jumps up the following year Still played 28 minutes, two little over two turnovers this past year, worst season from a turnover standpoint, but again, playing in 31 minutes of action, getting asked to do a lot more so in that in 2017 18 season, second year with Brooklyn.
You see a big jump there to 12.
5 points per game, and the ball has continues to trend up for him as you work through these next couple of years.
Now, in 2018 19 when you had D'Angelo Russell, he's doing the bulk of the starting here.
Still appears in 68 games, has just four starts, however, but plays 28 minutes.
So it by that point he's shown Kenny Atkinson I could be trusted in the second unit.
I can also be trusted in the starting rotation as well, if needed.
So you started to roll through it quickly here, but you see him go 44% from the field.
That's based on the 52% from two point.
And this is where again he's like two seasons.
Excusing last two seasons, you saw him really ramping it up in terms of taking on defenders out of the perimeter, getting inside the Ark and then getting into the basket.
And you talk about the two man game there a little bit between himself and the big men on the floor this year, obviously with Jared Allen and DeAndre Jordan.
But even the previous season, talking about Jared Allen rolling to the basket and having this little dump off passes and giving, giving some even easy looks ofour teammate.
Now in that year, playing in the second unit again, something that you might expect to see a drop off an assist numbers because you're not playing with the same consistent players that you would expect then to be knocking down opportunities that you're putting in position for.
5 sister in this contest, but also elevated himself to nearly 17 points per game to go along with 28 minutes.
So playing a minute last not necessarily a big transition there, but we also saw the nice number there.
The three point percentage, 33 a half.
So saw that go up a little bit as well.
And then the turnovers, like we mentioned 2.2.
So you didn't love you didn't necessarily love that.
You don't want you.
Don't you ever talk to anybody else.
It's your responsibility to take the ball.
But if you're playing in the second unit, communication, reliability and expectations about where players are gonna be committee play a role there as well.
She's a solid clip, 80% from the free throw line.
And so much of what you're not seeing here is when this guy is making these buckets when he is able to get downhill.
Ah, an attack at the basket because it's taking over games.
It's taking over late in games again.
You think about the D'Angelo Russell season when that last year, when at the end of games, Kenny Atkinson didn't want him out there necessarily late in game action.
But he trusted Spencer Dinwiddie, and more often than not, he was rewarded on that with some leaking heroics.
And this past season, as we move into now on those stat line talk about this last year, when you don't have Kyrie Irving and he starts to get asked to do a lot here for you starts 49 games due to the injuries to caress Levert and Kyrie.
Irving obviously know Katie is well, we know that.
But 64 games with a shortened season, 40 49 starts, please, 31 minutes.
And if you think about him, boom 20/20 points per game.
And like I said, this is an outlier you don't typically see a guy who you know a 23 3rd year in the league who's averaging 22 minutes.
So seeing a 10 minute bump in your minute share.
Even if you went 1 to 1 with it, you know you'd say, OK, maybe this guy can bump himself up to 11 to 14 points a game.
The fact that he was able to so effectively increase his productivity and increases efficiency as he started to get into a more prominent role with the Nets is a credit to him and probably his work ethic.
Getting stronger because you go back and I'll try to find an image.
If we can hear before we get out on Spencer Dinwiddie, go back and look.
And his friend, This is true.
Look at Jared Allen when he first came in the league right? Look like a strong wind could've knocked him over on the court, especially from last year to this year.
You saw Alan get a lot stronger across the shoulder.
Same thing for Spencer, then with the easy.
He's a string being kind of guy out there on the court that rookie year with the Detroit Pistons everyone develops and get a little bit stronger.
And that's certainly especially for Spencer dailies.
Game helps him when he's getting onto the interior defense is bumping bodies and still trying to get those shots up and in when you think about ah being able to fend off defenders and still be successful on those looks simple.
Is that not being strong enough to necessarily fight past the defender control and maintain possession as you go up? Just having the strength to be able to do that can change you from being a guy that gets 10 points again, to maybe getting 14 or 16 points a game.
But nevertheless, the anomaly, little bit anomaly that he's able to show the production that he did shoots again 41 a half percent from the field and the three point percentage not the strongest in the world, shoots 30.
That's not his strong suit, almost 31%.
But as we all know, we've seen him come up clutch in a lot of these games, knock down some monster three pointers when the Nets were trailing and needed some of those big buckets, the two point percentage.
As we said continues to be strong there, 48 a half percent and then the free throw shooting.
Listen, everybody on the team suffered a little bit and he did as well, still 78.
So I don't know if I'm really gonna be too concerned about it.
And the other increase that we saw here is well again.
Please, you know, three more minutes of game action, but you see, as you go through these seasons soon to almost, let's just say almost three attempts per game.
Three attempts per game.
Minute share starts to go up here 3.
5, though, seeing a 67 minute increase in game action five and then seven this past year.
So he did a really great job this past season getting downhill, attacking, drawing fouls, going line and, for the most part, converting those opportunities as well.
The 20 points per game is obviously very strong, Like we said, just the nature of it.
He's going to turn the ball over a little bit.
Early in the season, I think we saw some of those things where it just felt like players.
New players, you know, yet, Tori on Prince, you're talking about.
You still have Joe Harris with your familiarity there.
But even DeAndre Jordan new player, the center position communicating with him.
You can think about a guy like Garrett Temple being on the floor at times and what that looked like.
So you know, a lot, a lot of new pieces and early in the season, you could point to that later on, when it was still kind of happening for him.
I think you just have to chalk it up.
That's a part of his game, and that's all right, because by the way, I'll accept the fact that he may have 2 to 3 turnovers in some games when I know he's giving me 20.
5 points, knocking down consistently the free throw line and then also, by the way, leading this team.
So as we come back into it, though, here's the concern, right and we've talked about this on the podcast before Doug Nori and myself, where one of the concerns that I have is you go out on the sign.
Kyrie Irving, You signed Kevin Durant, who doesn't love it, right, and if it took one to get the other vice versa.
But now they're talking about in this upcoming off season, you're going to see Brooklyn.
You're going to see Sean Mark.
We've already seen Kenny Atkinson Wright.
He ends up being then a parting ways there because as much as Kenny Atkinson was a part of developing this team, developing some young talent in helping them build this over the last handful of years.
Now you think about managing superstar personalities, and it's less about developing X's and O's and a system.
And now it's just about said, you keeping these guys happy and comfortable, and that's a big part of it.
And you may call a kind of manager's role.
In a lot of ways, it is what it is and you see that shift.
So now you look at a guy like Spencer Dinwiddie or Joe Harris, even a Jared Allen, and you start to wonder, where is Brooklyn going? A look in this offseason to say if we need to bring in we feel like is one more piece here to compliment everybody and you can you can discuss whether or not you think Harris liver is 100% of part of that he was coming on right before the season got put on hold.
So you saw him kind of elevating his game a little bit, too.
Is he the compliment to Kyrie Irving that you wanna have there? It's Spencer, dimly, the guy that you want to maintain for that second unit, or has the value that some of these players have developed these past couple of seasons on the Brooklyn Nets.
Maybe done enough that around the league there's going to be a team that says, Hey, we will package up a set of assets to be able to give you 1/3 star.
And in return, we get a bulk of talent that could help bring our team from being a relatively 12th seed 13 seed, bottom of the conference kind of thing.
And let's just bring us up, get us back to competitive.
This is not remotely a researched or you know or ****yzer really thought out from a dollars dollars kind of standpoint.
But Kevin Love in Cleveland and saying, Well, you know, they've got redundancies.
Got drum in there.
You don't want him to still be there.
But say that seven it's wanted to in the money all made sense.
Well, a package to get Kevin Loving to be 1/3 star as a veteran alongside Kyrie and K D and DeAndre Jordan.
Maybe that looks like sending a Jared Allen and Spencer Dinwiddie or a carousel avert.
Maybe it means throwing into Joe Harris is well, to put together a collection of talent that then Cleveland turns around and says, Yeah, we went ahead and raised ourselves up and we gave up a guy on a big contract that was older isn't gonna be here isn't the future of this team, so it's a win win for both sides of it.
But the painful heart from a pure fan standpoint, is I've got a taxi Spencer Dinwiddie talking about with this segment is about this.
This is not the third part of third part that we've done on it.
It's about point guard that I've identified with over the length of my fandom as a New Jersey in Brooklyn Nets fan, and it really is to talk about the early days of Kenny Anderson you can think about.
Obviously, Jason Kidd is a huge chunk of growing up there from a 1208 But then Spencer did when he kind of sees that guy for me, and I didn't realize it until I took a step back and thought about it.
He's easily probably my second favorite point guard for the Nets behind Jason Kidd.
Maybe he's even my favorite point guard just because of the way that he plays and because the more recent memory of what he's meant to me.
And it's not about the accomplishments of Jason Kidd is a player or Spencer **** ITI, just from pure fan perspective.
I love the way, please.
I love the hustle, the heart that mentality of Yeah, I'll take on everybody, I think, on anyone that's on the floor.
I have no sense of being overmatched or outworked or outhustled by the opposition on the game to game basis.
So if things start to go in that direction, it's that idea of, you know, what do you give up in order to achieve the ultimate goal of winning a championship on? We talked about it on the podcast, and I'd said, You know, I'm not gonna be the person that says says, I don't agree with making the trace that you do to get Kyrie and Katie in the door.
But there is something that gets lost in terms of just seeing guys year after year, develop and get better and the team gets better.
And when they would what? Spencer Dinwiddie and Joe Harris and Jared Allen and then throwing some other Biggs and pieces around them where they were gonna win a championship? Probably not.
Almost certainly not right without superstar.
That's what the end more than most sports is driven on, is the superstar talent.
But it doesn't mean that I wouldn't have minded, you know, five or six year run, we're in the playoffs.
Eighth seed, seven seed fighting for the 60 getting into scrappy Ah! Playoff series with some teams in the Eastern Conference and just having some of those battles that might have been enough for me, right? I'm gonna hang my hat on that and still loved having had those players in that collection of talent.
Um, you know, and then maybe the Nets when, when the championship next year with JD and Kyrie and all these thoughts go out the window.
But it's hard to see the way the franchise that did a great job and has done a great job under Sean Marks revamped.
It made itself successful, made an attractive destination and accomplish the goal of bringing in superstars and free agency.
And unfortunately, there's the other side of it and what you lose at the end of the day.
Now, having played, you know, four full seasons or nearly four full seasons excluding this one with the Brooklyn Nets, we know he's on that extension, so he theoretically should still be here with us next year.
And I'd like to think that the next heir going trying to stand as as Pat as they can and retain as many of these guys they can.
Joe Harris is going to be, Ah, concern there.
But seeing Spencer DiMucci in Brooklyn, where in the black and white and just work in that hustle on a night in night out basis, something that I've loved the last four years.
And I hope I get to enjoy for the next couple of seasons going forward.
And I think it could be real asset in that second unit in behind Kyrie.
You talk about injury concerns.
Having a player like Spencer, I can only make your roster better.
So hopefully as what turns out to be one of my favorite point guards in my Nets fan history will continue to be a member of the Brooklyn Nets.
And, you know, if it was possible, I'd love to see him continue to play out his career in Brooklyn and become one of those cornerstones.
When you look back, that really help to be a part of those periods that to put a little bow on this bad boy.
You talk about the Kenny Anderson days in those three consecutive Ah, the appearances in the playoffs, you jump forward.
We had one or two, I think one appearance mixed in there before you get to Jason Kidd.
A long six year run of making the playoffs and the play of that point guard right now again would have been a playoff appearance back to back years for the Nets this season.
Going to next year, you could be talking about having that run of of this playoff appearances and consistency.
And even after Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving leave Brooklyn and what I think could just be a one, a one contract stint for the both of these players in Brooklyn, you know, is they go away.
If you get to still have Spencer Dinwiddie, they're providing that hustle in that heart.
That's all you can ask for in Brooklyn.
As you say that the Brooklyn great that we all love so much that'll do it for us.
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We'll start to dive into the shooting guard position.
We'll take a look there at the Big Men.
The center's already mentioned Jason Collins.
So that's just from that Jason Kidd era, one of the guys that will obviously be a fan of what we flash.
A little bit of Alonzo Mourning in that brief stint that he had here in New Jersey.
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