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00:00:05
Welcome back to the one giant podcast here on it early Sunday morning, just giving you a quick New York football Giants update as we always like to keep you in the loop on the latest news around Big Blue.
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It's a couple of things out there right now.
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Bleacher report put out an interesting article covering everyone's biggest regret.
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Every team in the NFL.
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Biggest regret is for signings.
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Go in free agency now.
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Technically, when you get to the Giants, this isn't a signing so much as it is the franchise tag as we know.
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Excuse Main Leonard Williams may end up signing a long term deal with the New York Giants, but right now, playing underneath that 16 million franchise tag, it was actually ah, a interaction that Leonard Williams it had over social media with a fan talking about how that $15 million mark that he was looking Thio having an annual salary.
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He kind of refuted it.
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Just it, and I don't know which side of the coin it goes on.
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Saying that he needed er said he wanted 15 or didn't want 15 didn't really put a price point on himself as far as a long term deal goes, you would assume that if he was down towards that $12 million a year, mark Giants probably would have gotten the long term extension.
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Don't as opposed to utilizing that franchise tag on him.
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Instead, he'll play for $60 million this year, potentially if they don't reach a long term contract.
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Now, while he is a solid football player, you know the bottom line is he has not been necessarily a consistent assistant player for the Giants in the past eight games.
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They saw in that sample size, overly or over the course of his career.
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Really, he can be destructive.
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I like him against the run game.
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I just don't like him at $16 million.
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The other issue here that we're talking about is, you know, relatives.
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The other players in the league.
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Is he Cameron Jordan? Is he Fletcher Cox is e. J J. Watt.
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Uh, you know, no simple was simple and short answers.
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Now, now, guy like J.
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J.
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Watt obviously has had some of his injury histories, But you understand the point is about making impact plays on the defensive side of the bowl.
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Now, whether or not, the Giants feel like they have an opportunity to have N B, the one who occupies some of that offensive line for the opposition and allows other players be a Blake Martinez.
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If it's faculty could be a linebacker and Russia that they bring in through the draft here, that may be the way they identify his usage, and that could be okay.
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But again, it's just about how much you're gonna be paying him over the course of a year of the course of a contract.
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So it'll be interesting to see I've said before.
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In my mind, I I just don't know if the Giants or really even that heavily interested or intending to sign into a long term deal, assuming that you can get a compensatory pick next offseason.
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Were you to move on, you pay a high price tag to keep him here to ensure that you have, you know, healthy set of players across that front with Dexter Lawrence.
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You know BJ Hill's gonna be coming back as well.
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Tomlinson had a nice season for himself last year, also, so you have a group of strong bodies at the defensive tackle position.
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It takes it completely off the list of needs.
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When you head into the NFL draft and then next year you can look at off, season the free agency and see if there's a name you want to go out and tackle or even also obviously address it early in next year's draft.
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So you don't what I have preferred that they either got the long term deal done or didn't franchise tag about me.
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You just bit the bullet and said, Hey, this is going to be, Ah, a steak that was made making that trade in giving up the third and fifth round picks for him, Yes, but we are where we are.
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So what? They're just wait and see how that plays have over the coming months, prior to the season and then ultimately, I think if you don't get a deal done well, probably at least leading up to training camp, I think we can safely assume that he's gonna sit on that franchise tag and then try to reset the market for himself and see you can get a long term deal next year, potentially with the Giants.
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But I think more than likely you could see him go somewhere else, unless you really see it all come together with these other pieces.
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Ah, on the team and on the defensive side of the bowl this year.
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The other interesting thing that's out there right now.
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A couple of notes, one of which was just talking about getting players here, right.
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Giants go out and kind of not not Bargain shop spent a lot of money on Bradbury to get him in the door here.
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I think that obviously it upgrades that cornerback position, but you're paying, you know, 15 year.
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It's on Lee, a three year deal.
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That's the nice part about it.
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Of attracting players to come to New York.
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The Jets are also suffering from this a little that I think, too, just in terms of rebuilding their rosters, that the difficult thing about being a rebuilding team is that it's hard to get players in the door.
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So sometimes you end up doing is overspending in free agency just to ensure that you get players here, but then the problem is two years down the road, you're sitting there with a heavy contract awaited contract that you can't get out from underneath, and you're still not that good of a team because you ended up spending high dollar amounts on three or four positions on your roster.
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When you really have 10 positions, 12 positions on your roster that you want to fill.
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So you know, we talked about it on the podcast few episodes ago.
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I think that it bears out that, well, a gentleman is done now is really just resetting the set.
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Okay, if we're in rebuild mode, we have the players that we have.
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We thankfully identified our quarterback last year in the draft, so we have him in places.
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Well, now we just need to kind of understand that it's not going to be the simple fix with throwing a lot of money at players like Olivier Vernon as we have in the past.
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Excuse me. Even the snacks.
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Harrison.
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Not bad players, but again, when you look around the totality of defense in those years, you think about how I had a lot of holes at the cornerback in the secondary at the linebacker position.
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We know linebacker has just been a huge hole for the Giants for so many years.
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We know that edge rusher has been an area that they, going back even to the 43 scheme, still have not hand weapons there in a number of season.
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So rather than overpaid to maybe get, I mean, let's you know, Jadeveon Clowney, right? If you were going to spend the money on him, some people have said, Listen, giants have $20 million cap room now why don't you go out and try and try to attack attractive dating Clowney on a one year deal? You still need to leave reserve money to sign your draft picks, and you still need to leave money available.
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So as you go into the season, if you suffer from injuries, if you need to make some moves, you have that flexibility from a cap standpoint.
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So if you went out and signed, you know, said is nobody's numbers come down now for Clown, he's willing to take 16 17 million.
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You said it spent 16 17 million there.
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Take your pick.
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You're not going to get one of these other players onto this roster.
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That could be a simple one, like saying faculty at 4.
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5 1,000,000 a year.
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Maybe it's Toya loa that you're not gonna be able to get in the door a tight end position to back up and have an extra block on the line.
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You dove into the pool on Fleming.
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So maybe those three lower and players, We're not gonna be on this roster because you've got clanging and you may say apples to apples.
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I'll take it right.
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But then it means when you go to the draft, you need to think about possibly getting a tight end in the door.
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It means that you need to consider offensive line, as you already are going to.
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But now, because you don't have Fleming on the roster, you're wondering joining us a double dip on that.
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And if you do that, what are you missing out on? What do you not able to address? You're still You're still gonna want to get an edge rusher in the door even after signing Clowney.
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So you have two year mark one of your top four picks, probably for an edge rusher.
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You have to get a center in the door here at some point as well.
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You're gonna need to get to offensive lineman at that point, possibly a tight end in the later rounds, now occupied five picks for the Giants in the NFL draft.
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And I still don't know what I'm going to get out of those because they're gonna be rookies in the free agency market.
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You can look at guys like a Blake Martinez even $30 million.
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10 year if you don't sign Blake Martinez and you get Davian Clowney on a one year deal, by the way.
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So the comparative thing here is also that you're saying we're gonna put a Band Aid on a position for one season and need to be right back in the same position next year, wondering what we're going to do, how we're gonna feel this need.
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So now all of a sudden, you don't have a replacement upgrade over Alec Ogletree.
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Now you have to go into the draft thinking that linebacker is a massive need for you.
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And now, even if it is Simmons the top of the draft, Okay, great second round.
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You have to go offensive lineman to make sure you plug that hole.
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Also, if you don't have your linebacker needs filled, it makes a little bit more difficult to consider being flexible and possibly trading down at the top of the draft of the fourth overall pick.
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Likewise, for signing Fleming small contracts.
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But if you don't have him in the door again, it dictates all these different things.
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So everything is so connected on the move that you make.
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And when you are a rebuilding team, you don't get a lot of team friendly deals. Right.
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Players aren't looking to come in to help get you over the hump from four winds to six wins or from five wins, two settlements, whatever the case may be.
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So these are some of the difficult things that I think.
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Thankfully, the gentleman and the Giants realized before they came into this off season, went ahead and still address some areas of need and spend some money, but also spread it out healthfully to make sure that the roster was getting better positions.
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Epner is a nice little science, right? Just to make sure that you're better, it's a Band Aid one year contracts, but you're also talking about special teamer locking into place and feeling like we could go ahead and just know that we have a safety net there for the deaf perspective, replacing Thomas etcetera.
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Likewise with Cody Core.
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Same thing to be said for Coleman return specialist.
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If he comes back and he's healthy, can also be a contributor in that wide receiver room.
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So it's unfortunate, but I think I'd rather see the Giants taking that healthy step back and trying to address areas of need in a smart, controlled way, as opposed to swinging for the fences getting of position spot at the end of this season.
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Say, yeah, we spend a lot of money and we've got to five wins.
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I actually think the Giants are better off elevating the play from rather than going from, let's say, d up to a B minus or a at three positions.
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Rather see the team go from a D up to a C plus or the minus in +67 positions on the roster because collectively, that should lead to better results.
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Beyond that, the only other note that will always want to touch on here before we get out the door on a beautiful Sunday morning with the sun shining down on us here, um, the interesting other.
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The other interesting thing here this comes from G Men H Q.
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So again ahead of Monday, where Andy and I'll be launching the first part of our seven part of mock draft that we did following the free agency period.
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We're gonna cover probably at least the 1st 2 rounds, if not the third round selection as well.
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And then part two will come later in the week or we cover everything on the back end of the draft.
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But, you know, uh, they have a great article appear about talking about where you're gonna be a positional need wise and whether or not you can risk waiting to a certain point.
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So if you're not gonna go offensive line in the first round, maybe there's a trade down offer there that you like.
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Maybe you want to sit, stick with Simmons and address an area of need.
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Get that Swiss Army knife player in the door for you When you come to the top of the second round, you really have to think about earmarking that for offensive line.
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Because if not and we've talked about this prior, uh, you get to that third round, by the way, you get old way to the back of the third round, and going for offensive lineman at that point really is not going to be an option.
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And I'll just quickly pull up, uh, fan speak simulator here just so that I can run through the offensive lineman and where you can anticipate them going a CZ far as the quality of play and whether or not the Giants are gonna have legitimate options by the time you get to 35.
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Now, one of the things that they can choose to do is take the fourth overall pick in the fourth round.
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Take that 35th pick in the serve around, package those up, move yourself up into the top of the third and allow yourself to target a player.
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However, in my mind, even if you do that as far as from an offensive lineman position goes, you're not going to get a player that is going to be comparable to who you see on top of this draft.
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And then also, I have to be getting in middle rounds.
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Ah, middle of the second round.
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Excuse me.
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So as we get this launched your real quick, I just want to go ahead and pull this up and talk about the offensive line specifically so as we sit here and we take a look at offensive tackle.
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So obviously we know that elite group of the top of the draft you're talking about Andrew Thomas, Tristen Worse Jed, Rick Wills and Mukai affected.
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That's considered to be those four top players that could go anywhere in that top, Let's say 11 even, maybe 12 picks.
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Um, certainly.
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You know, Wills and Beckton, maybe, or love it flexible.
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I know Beckett has that big combine performance, but I think, uh, he's a little bit that roar talent gonna need to develop.
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Although he did play true, left tackle a college after that border line, you could say Josh Jones or as Rick Cleveland are gonna be in the mix in the first round, depending on when the run on offensive lineman goes.
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But if you're picking them up in the first round, I think that you're probably reaching on that selection.
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If you're at the top of the second round and you, you know you want to go for an Ezra Cleveland At that point, I could understand it.
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I think Josh Jones is the better out of the two prospects there, and I could expect him to go 20 to 25 somewhere in that range in the first round.
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After that, however, you still have Austin Jackson available for you.
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Ranked 36th overall.
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This on Josh Edwards, CBS Big board on.
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Then Isaiah Wilson, the Georgia tackle who played on the right side on most likely would have been the left tackle.
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If Andrew Thomas wasn't there, would have been a left tackle if he went back to college for another year.
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After that, I basically you take a look at this board, I can say Lucas Nang at a TCU certainly, and then Prince Tega win a no go who didn't get a chance to work.
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The Columbine had an injury issue.
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Now, in these cir***stances, you're also talking about a player probably of benefits by the fact that sorry, that won't benefit by the fact that he wasn't able to interviews, get physicals, accomplished those kind of things.
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So because of that, maybe he's gonna fall back a little bit and someone's gonna get a steal into the third round with him.
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But after that group, you get into the mat perch, the Jack Driscoll's and those were players that I think the best you know, we're borderline.
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Maybe you wanna put Matt Pert into that second round echelon.
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The drop off their that happens, though, you're talking about again.
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Princes there 66 69 Matt Pert and then 81 is Driscoll.
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So you know, 81.
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You think about where the Giants air, selecting back into the second you're talking about 64 picks through, and then you're not picking again until the 99th pick.
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So that drop off all of a sudden and you're talking about reaching for Alex Taylor from South Carolina, that's ranked 1 19 reaching for a Charlie Heck, North Carolina.
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And by the way, all of these players have, you know, issues and areas of me to work on doesn't mean that they can't develop into solid players.
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But in terms of making sure that you address your key areas of need, giants have to take a look and say, we don't do it in the first.
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We have to do it in the second round, and you know, a couple of players that I look at, I think Austin Jackson is worth looking at that I don't know if he makes out of the first round, er Niang reasonable and then Isaiah Wilson, I think, is a nice one to keep an eye on as well.
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Well, no go would be that risk if you didn't if you weren't able to address it in the 1st 2 rounds.
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Maybe he falls to the third again because the injury issues and not being able to have physicals done and physically be able to be in front of teams that may want to draft him After that, I think everything else is going to be developmental prospects and players that you say There's really little Little Chandler low, low chance that they end up being a starter for you in the NFL season.
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We talked about it before again.
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How do the Giants feel? Have his job judge feel about Nate Soldier on the left side doesn't matter how I feel about it, but if you go into the season thinking we'd be OK with him, Starting would also be happy if someone beat him out over the course of training camp. Fantastic.
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But if you take one of these later around guys when he's third or laying around offensive tackles.
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What you're saying is we need eight soldiers start at left tackle.
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We need him to be solid because the the prospect that we bring in the third round her later on the offensive line is going to need the full year to develop.
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They need a full year to work on technique, maybe to get stronger potentially.
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Some of these guys have great technique but aren't strong enough forward at the NFL level.
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Some guys are very strong but don't necessarily have the right hand placement to be ableto work against some of the quicker edge rushers in the NFL.
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And then you're also talking about footwork, speed, quickness and getting out to the second level in the run game.
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So and some of these prospects were also stronger on one side, and they are on the other as far as being ah, legitimate pass protector and then maybe not having the same strength in the run game or vice versa.
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So, you know, if you're laying it out and you want to talk about drawing up the ideal scenario, this is why the trade downs certainly come into play.
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here because if you give yourself an opportunity to trade down out of the fourth overall pick, whether it's as we highlighted last night in our frenzy, you know, mock draft kind of scenario, talking about trade down offers we may get.
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If you get those multiples from a team like the Raiders, then you're talking about seeing if you get an offensive lineman still available to you in that middle round of the first.
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If not, you can address two key areas of need.
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More than likely, I could be a wide receiver, certainly, but wide receiver, edge, rusher, linebacker, maybe even safety based on need and also the talent pool that's available from the, you know, early, mid to middle back end of the first round.
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You address two of those he needs there than two at four.
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You automatically can say we're locking in.
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We're gonna take one of these offensive lineman, and now we've addressed those needs.
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If you go the other round, maybe through a Tampa Bay, even Denver Broncos, potentially where they're offering you a 1st 2nd 3rd and fourth rounder now you give yourself that extra flexibility to say will weaken.
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See who's there when we selected the first round.
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If it's not offensive alignment, let's take a look.
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The defensive side of the bowl looked.
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Add more talent there, and then at the top of the second, you can do similar.
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Maybe what you did last year, where you want to get back in on the first round back in there to make sure you address the offensive line need or you so you can take the second.
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Then you'll still have a mid second pick to say, What else do we want to look at here? Is that a wide receiver for a weapon? For Daniel Jones is its safety may be an additional linebacker, given that you signed faculties the one year deal.
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So a lot of you know a lot of possible scenarios to play out.
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But the Giants need to make sure that coming into this draft, they have all of their ducks in a row, and they know exactly what the scenarios are going to play out last year, as we know two years ago as we know safe, warm Barclays there, Dave Gettleman doesn't even listen to offers.
00:19:26
Come again.
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This is a very different situation, I think I don't think there's any singular talent, though.
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If I put myself in Dave Gentleman's mind, maybe Isaiah Simmons is that player for him that he says If he's there for us, you don't listen to any offers.
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We stick right there and that's okay.
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You can make that choice.
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But then that pressure for the second round and the fourth overall pick is there.
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And if you somehow lose out, miss out on a couple of those you know as Rick Cleveland be Isiah Wilson's.
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You know, if you're missing out on those players now, you've gotten yourself into a bit of situation where you're saying, Well, you saw student free agency what we currently have on the roster.
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That's what you can expect going into the season.
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And for better or worse, that's where you're going to be.
00:20:07
So that'll do it for the morning briefing here on a Sunday sun shining in the window of 40 it's, as always, head over to social media at one giant podcast.
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You can go ahead and follow us on Twitter.
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We're going to good conversations with other Giants outlets and then, of course, on Instagram for episode drops of the podcast.
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And then also, when it comes to Monday, the companion piece that you'll have over there is a breakdown off.
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Andy and mine are draft our draft selections, the trades if we made any of the trade ups or downs that happen, and some additional information about what will consider to be the key players that we were able to pull out of that draft as I said you had over I teams down would rate reviewing subscribed to the podcast so that on Monday you get part one of our mock draft.
00:20:53
And then, of course, we'll also be touching base Ah, potentially with Zach from Giants 24 7 this upcoming week, seeing if there's any other news and notes that he has his eye on.
00:21:02
And additionally, we do have a potentially fantastic guest that we're trying to line up will say anything official until it is confirmed.
00:21:10
But we are very excited.
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The prospect of being ableto have on a nice a nice ah, guess they could give us a little bit of insight as to what it is to be a New York football giants be around the organization and to just be a player in the NFL on potentially What? That what it needs in the off season, these weird times, right now that they're dealing with still stay in shape to stay prepared, to go into O t A training camp, etcetera.
00:21:34
So exciting things on the rise here.
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And we hopefully will have you along with us every step of the way.
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So thank you so much as well.
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Look, Tom, I'm assuming would probably be the way you want to go with that. Maybe your abbreviating.
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Either way, you follow me.
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I follow you back. Good, sir.
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Thank you for everyone.
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The joint in this morning.
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Hopefully you're starting it.
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Get on board with this.
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Here's a ramp.
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Things up leading up to the NFL draft in just a few weeks.
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I will be back in later today.
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We're gonna start to get into a specific prospect profiles and where they plugged in.
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I'll probably start to dive in a little bit deeper on this offensive line group and just talk about where I think we really need to focus in the target to improve the offensive line.
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And then edge rusher is going to be the other area needs.
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Those represent our two biggest needs heading into the draft, I think four big blue as always, I am out of our back.
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Thank you so much for joining us on SportsCastr this morning we will.

Morning Update: Big Blue

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Adam Armbrecht @OneGiantPodcast

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Welcome back to the one giant podcast here on it early Sunday morning, just giving you a quick New York football Giants update as we always like to keep you in the loop on the latest news around Big Blue.
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It's a couple of things out there right now.
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Bleacher report put out an interesting article covering everyone's biggest regret.
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Every team in the NFL.
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Biggest regret is for signings.
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Go in free agency now.
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Technically, when you get to the Giants, this isn't a signing so much as it is the franchise tag as we know.
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Excuse Main Leonard Williams may end up signing a long term deal with the New York Giants, but right now, playing underneath that 16 million franchise tag, it was actually ah, a interaction that Leonard Williams it had over social media with a fan talking about how that $15 million mark that he was looking Thio having an annual salary.
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He kind of refuted it.
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Just it, and I don't know which side of the coin it goes on.
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Saying that he needed er said he wanted 15 or didn't want 15 didn't really put a price point on himself as far as a long term deal goes, you would assume that if he was down towards that $12 million a year, mark Giants probably would have gotten the long term extension.
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Don't as opposed to utilizing that franchise tag on him.
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Instead, he'll play for $60 million this year, potentially if they don't reach a long term contract.
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Now, while he is a solid football player, you know the bottom line is he has not been necessarily a consistent assistant player for the Giants in the past eight games.
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They saw in that sample size, overly or over the course of his career.
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Really, he can be destructive.
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I like him against the run game.
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I just don't like him at $16 million.
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The other issue here that we're talking about is, you know, relatives.
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The other players in the league.
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Is he Cameron Jordan? Is he Fletcher Cox is e. J J. Watt.
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Uh, you know, no simple was simple and short answers.
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Now, now, guy like J.
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J.
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Watt obviously has had some of his injury histories, But you understand the point is about making impact plays on the defensive side of the bowl.
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Now, whether or not, the Giants feel like they have an opportunity to have N B, the one who occupies some of that offensive line for the opposition and allows other players be a Blake Martinez.
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If it's faculty could be a linebacker and Russia that they bring in through the draft here, that may be the way they identify his usage, and that could be okay.
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But again, it's just about how much you're gonna be paying him over the course of a year of the course of a contract.
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So it'll be interesting to see I've said before.
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In my mind, I I just don't know if the Giants or really even that heavily interested or intending to sign into a long term deal, assuming that you can get a compensatory pick next offseason.
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Were you to move on, you pay a high price tag to keep him here to ensure that you have, you know, healthy set of players across that front with Dexter Lawrence.
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You know BJ Hill's gonna be coming back as well.
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Tomlinson had a nice season for himself last year, also, so you have a group of strong bodies at the defensive tackle position.
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It takes it completely off the list of needs.
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When you head into the NFL draft and then next year you can look at off, season the free agency and see if there's a name you want to go out and tackle or even also obviously address it early in next year's draft.
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So you don't what I have preferred that they either got the long term deal done or didn't franchise tag about me.
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You just bit the bullet and said, Hey, this is going to be, Ah, a steak that was made making that trade in giving up the third and fifth round picks for him, Yes, but we are where we are.
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So what? They're just wait and see how that plays have over the coming months, prior to the season and then ultimately, I think if you don't get a deal done well, probably at least leading up to training camp, I think we can safely assume that he's gonna sit on that franchise tag and then try to reset the market for himself and see you can get a long term deal next year, potentially with the Giants.
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But I think more than likely you could see him go somewhere else, unless you really see it all come together with these other pieces.
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Ah, on the team and on the defensive side of the bowl this year.
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The other interesting thing that's out there right now.
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A couple of notes, one of which was just talking about getting players here, right.
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Giants go out and kind of not not Bargain shop spent a lot of money on Bradbury to get him in the door here.
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I think that obviously it upgrades that cornerback position, but you're paying, you know, 15 year.
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It's on Lee, a three year deal.
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That's the nice part about it.
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Of attracting players to come to New York.
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The Jets are also suffering from this a little that I think, too, just in terms of rebuilding their rosters, that the difficult thing about being a rebuilding team is that it's hard to get players in the door.
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So sometimes you end up doing is overspending in free agency just to ensure that you get players here, but then the problem is two years down the road, you're sitting there with a heavy contract awaited contract that you can't get out from underneath, and you're still not that good of a team because you ended up spending high dollar amounts on three or four positions on your roster.
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When you really have 10 positions, 12 positions on your roster that you want to fill.
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So you know, we talked about it on the podcast few episodes ago.
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I think that it bears out that, well, a gentleman is done now is really just resetting the set.
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Okay, if we're in rebuild mode, we have the players that we have.
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We thankfully identified our quarterback last year in the draft, so we have him in places.
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Well, now we just need to kind of understand that it's not going to be the simple fix with throwing a lot of money at players like Olivier Vernon as we have in the past.
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Excuse me. Even the snacks.
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Harrison.
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Not bad players, but again, when you look around the totality of defense in those years, you think about how I had a lot of holes at the cornerback in the secondary at the linebacker position.
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We know linebacker has just been a huge hole for the Giants for so many years.
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We know that edge rusher has been an area that they, going back even to the 43 scheme, still have not hand weapons there in a number of season.
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So rather than overpaid to maybe get, I mean, let's you know, Jadeveon Clowney, right? If you were going to spend the money on him, some people have said, Listen, giants have $20 million cap room now why don't you go out and try and try to attack attractive dating Clowney on a one year deal? You still need to leave reserve money to sign your draft picks, and you still need to leave money available.
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So as you go into the season, if you suffer from injuries, if you need to make some moves, you have that flexibility from a cap standpoint.
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So if you went out and signed, you know, said is nobody's numbers come down now for Clown, he's willing to take 16 17 million.
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You said it spent 16 17 million there.
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Take your pick.
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You're not going to get one of these other players onto this roster.
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That could be a simple one, like saying faculty at 4.
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5 1,000,000 a year.
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Maybe it's Toya loa that you're not gonna be able to get in the door a tight end position to back up and have an extra block on the line.
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You dove into the pool on Fleming.
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So maybe those three lower and players, We're not gonna be on this roster because you've got clanging and you may say apples to apples.
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I'll take it right.
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But then it means when you go to the draft, you need to think about possibly getting a tight end in the door.
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It means that you need to consider offensive line, as you already are going to.
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But now, because you don't have Fleming on the roster, you're wondering joining us a double dip on that.
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And if you do that, what are you missing out on? What do you not able to address? You're still You're still gonna want to get an edge rusher in the door even after signing Clowney.
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So you have two year mark one of your top four picks, probably for an edge rusher.
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You have to get a center in the door here at some point as well.
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You're gonna need to get to offensive lineman at that point, possibly a tight end in the later rounds, now occupied five picks for the Giants in the NFL draft.
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And I still don't know what I'm going to get out of those because they're gonna be rookies in the free agency market.
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You can look at guys like a Blake Martinez even $30 million.
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10 year if you don't sign Blake Martinez and you get Davian Clowney on a one year deal, by the way.
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So the comparative thing here is also that you're saying we're gonna put a Band Aid on a position for one season and need to be right back in the same position next year, wondering what we're going to do, how we're gonna feel this need.
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So now all of a sudden, you don't have a replacement upgrade over Alec Ogletree.
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Now you have to go into the draft thinking that linebacker is a massive need for you.
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And now, even if it is Simmons the top of the draft, Okay, great second round.
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You have to go offensive lineman to make sure you plug that hole.
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Also, if you don't have your linebacker needs filled, it makes a little bit more difficult to consider being flexible and possibly trading down at the top of the draft of the fourth overall pick.
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Likewise, for signing Fleming small contracts.
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But if you don't have him in the door again, it dictates all these different things.
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So everything is so connected on the move that you make.
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And when you are a rebuilding team, you don't get a lot of team friendly deals. Right.
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Players aren't looking to come in to help get you over the hump from four winds to six wins or from five wins, two settlements, whatever the case may be.
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So these are some of the difficult things that I think.
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Thankfully, the gentleman and the Giants realized before they came into this off season, went ahead and still address some areas of need and spend some money, but also spread it out healthfully to make sure that the roster was getting better positions.
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Epner is a nice little science, right? Just to make sure that you're better, it's a Band Aid one year contracts, but you're also talking about special teamer locking into place and feeling like we could go ahead and just know that we have a safety net there for the deaf perspective, replacing Thomas etcetera.
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Likewise with Cody Core.
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Same thing to be said for Coleman return specialist.
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If he comes back and he's healthy, can also be a contributor in that wide receiver room.
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So it's unfortunate, but I think I'd rather see the Giants taking that healthy step back and trying to address areas of need in a smart, controlled way, as opposed to swinging for the fences getting of position spot at the end of this season.
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Say, yeah, we spend a lot of money and we've got to five wins.
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I actually think the Giants are better off elevating the play from rather than going from, let's say, d up to a B minus or a at three positions.
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Rather see the team go from a D up to a C plus or the minus in +67 positions on the roster because collectively, that should lead to better results.
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Beyond that, the only other note that will always want to touch on here before we get out the door on a beautiful Sunday morning with the sun shining down on us here, um, the interesting other.
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The other interesting thing here this comes from G Men H Q.
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So again ahead of Monday, where Andy and I'll be launching the first part of our seven part of mock draft that we did following the free agency period.
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We're gonna cover probably at least the 1st 2 rounds, if not the third round selection as well.
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And then part two will come later in the week or we cover everything on the back end of the draft.
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But, you know, uh, they have a great article appear about talking about where you're gonna be a positional need wise and whether or not you can risk waiting to a certain point.
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So if you're not gonna go offensive line in the first round, maybe there's a trade down offer there that you like.
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Maybe you want to sit, stick with Simmons and address an area of need.
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Get that Swiss Army knife player in the door for you When you come to the top of the second round, you really have to think about earmarking that for offensive line.
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Because if not and we've talked about this prior, uh, you get to that third round, by the way, you get old way to the back of the third round, and going for offensive lineman at that point really is not going to be an option.
00:11:52
And I'll just quickly pull up, uh, fan speak simulator here just so that I can run through the offensive lineman and where you can anticipate them going a CZ far as the quality of play and whether or not the Giants are gonna have legitimate options by the time you get to 35.
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Now, one of the things that they can choose to do is take the fourth overall pick in the fourth round.
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Take that 35th pick in the serve around, package those up, move yourself up into the top of the third and allow yourself to target a player.
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However, in my mind, even if you do that as far as from an offensive lineman position goes, you're not going to get a player that is going to be comparable to who you see on top of this draft.
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And then also, I have to be getting in middle rounds.
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Ah, middle of the second round.
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Excuse me.
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So as we get this launched your real quick, I just want to go ahead and pull this up and talk about the offensive line specifically so as we sit here and we take a look at offensive tackle.
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So obviously we know that elite group of the top of the draft you're talking about Andrew Thomas, Tristen Worse Jed, Rick Wills and Mukai affected.
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That's considered to be those four top players that could go anywhere in that top, Let's say 11 even, maybe 12 picks.
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Um, certainly.
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You know, Wills and Beckton, maybe, or love it flexible.
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I know Beckett has that big combine performance, but I think, uh, he's a little bit that roar talent gonna need to develop.
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Although he did play true, left tackle a college after that border line, you could say Josh Jones or as Rick Cleveland are gonna be in the mix in the first round, depending on when the run on offensive lineman goes.
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But if you're picking them up in the first round, I think that you're probably reaching on that selection.
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If you're at the top of the second round and you, you know you want to go for an Ezra Cleveland At that point, I could understand it.
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I think Josh Jones is the better out of the two prospects there, and I could expect him to go 20 to 25 somewhere in that range in the first round.
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After that, however, you still have Austin Jackson available for you.
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Ranked 36th overall.
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This on Josh Edwards, CBS Big board on.
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Then Isaiah Wilson, the Georgia tackle who played on the right side on most likely would have been the left tackle.
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If Andrew Thomas wasn't there, would have been a left tackle if he went back to college for another year.
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After that, I basically you take a look at this board, I can say Lucas Nang at a TCU certainly, and then Prince Tega win a no go who didn't get a chance to work.
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The Columbine had an injury issue.
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Now, in these cir***stances, you're also talking about a player probably of benefits by the fact that sorry, that won't benefit by the fact that he wasn't able to interviews, get physicals, accomplished those kind of things.
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So because of that, maybe he's gonna fall back a little bit and someone's gonna get a steal into the third round with him.
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But after that group, you get into the mat perch, the Jack Driscoll's and those were players that I think the best you know, we're borderline.
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Maybe you wanna put Matt Pert into that second round echelon.
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The drop off their that happens, though, you're talking about again.
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Princes there 66 69 Matt Pert and then 81 is Driscoll.
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So you know, 81.
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You think about where the Giants air, selecting back into the second you're talking about 64 picks through, and then you're not picking again until the 99th pick.
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So that drop off all of a sudden and you're talking about reaching for Alex Taylor from South Carolina, that's ranked 1 19 reaching for a Charlie Heck, North Carolina.
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And by the way, all of these players have, you know, issues and areas of me to work on doesn't mean that they can't develop into solid players.
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But in terms of making sure that you address your key areas of need, giants have to take a look and say, we don't do it in the first.
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We have to do it in the second round, and you know, a couple of players that I look at, I think Austin Jackson is worth looking at that I don't know if he makes out of the first round, er Niang reasonable and then Isaiah Wilson, I think, is a nice one to keep an eye on as well.
00:15:51
Well, no go would be that risk if you didn't if you weren't able to address it in the 1st 2 rounds.
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Maybe he falls to the third again because the injury issues and not being able to have physicals done and physically be able to be in front of teams that may want to draft him After that, I think everything else is going to be developmental prospects and players that you say There's really little Little Chandler low, low chance that they end up being a starter for you in the NFL season.
00:16:18
We talked about it before again.
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How do the Giants feel? Have his job judge feel about Nate Soldier on the left side doesn't matter how I feel about it, but if you go into the season thinking we'd be OK with him, Starting would also be happy if someone beat him out over the course of training camp. Fantastic.
00:16:33
But if you take one of these later around guys when he's third or laying around offensive tackles.
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What you're saying is we need eight soldiers start at left tackle.
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We need him to be solid because the the prospect that we bring in the third round her later on the offensive line is going to need the full year to develop.
00:16:50
They need a full year to work on technique, maybe to get stronger potentially.
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Some of these guys have great technique but aren't strong enough forward at the NFL level.
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Some guys are very strong but don't necessarily have the right hand placement to be ableto work against some of the quicker edge rushers in the NFL.
00:17:07
And then you're also talking about footwork, speed, quickness and getting out to the second level in the run game.
00:17:11
So and some of these prospects were also stronger on one side, and they are on the other as far as being ah, legitimate pass protector and then maybe not having the same strength in the run game or vice versa.
00:17:23
So, you know, if you're laying it out and you want to talk about drawing up the ideal scenario, this is why the trade downs certainly come into play.
00:17:31
here because if you give yourself an opportunity to trade down out of the fourth overall pick, whether it's as we highlighted last night in our frenzy, you know, mock draft kind of scenario, talking about trade down offers we may get.
00:17:44
If you get those multiples from a team like the Raiders, then you're talking about seeing if you get an offensive lineman still available to you in that middle round of the first.
00:17:54
If not, you can address two key areas of need.
00:17:58
More than likely, I could be a wide receiver, certainly, but wide receiver, edge, rusher, linebacker, maybe even safety based on need and also the talent pool that's available from the, you know, early, mid to middle back end of the first round.
00:18:12
You address two of those he needs there than two at four.
00:18:15
You automatically can say we're locking in.
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We're gonna take one of these offensive lineman, and now we've addressed those needs.
00:18:22
If you go the other round, maybe through a Tampa Bay, even Denver Broncos, potentially where they're offering you a 1st 2nd 3rd and fourth rounder now you give yourself that extra flexibility to say will weaken.
00:18:35
See who's there when we selected the first round.
00:18:37
If it's not offensive alignment, let's take a look.
00:18:39
The defensive side of the bowl looked.
00:18:41
Add more talent there, and then at the top of the second, you can do similar.
00:18:45
Maybe what you did last year, where you want to get back in on the first round back in there to make sure you address the offensive line need or you so you can take the second.
00:18:56
Then you'll still have a mid second pick to say, What else do we want to look at here? Is that a wide receiver for a weapon? For Daniel Jones is its safety may be an additional linebacker, given that you signed faculties the one year deal.
00:19:08
So a lot of you know a lot of possible scenarios to play out.
00:19:11
But the Giants need to make sure that coming into this draft, they have all of their ducks in a row, and they know exactly what the scenarios are going to play out last year, as we know two years ago as we know safe, warm Barclays there, Dave Gettleman doesn't even listen to offers.
00:19:26
Come again.
00:19:27
This is a very different situation, I think I don't think there's any singular talent, though.
00:19:31
If I put myself in Dave Gentleman's mind, maybe Isaiah Simmons is that player for him that he says If he's there for us, you don't listen to any offers.
00:19:39
We stick right there and that's okay.
00:19:42
You can make that choice.
00:19:43
But then that pressure for the second round and the fourth overall pick is there.
00:19:47
And if you somehow lose out, miss out on a couple of those you know as Rick Cleveland be Isiah Wilson's.
00:19:53
You know, if you're missing out on those players now, you've gotten yourself into a bit of situation where you're saying, Well, you saw student free agency what we currently have on the roster.
00:20:03
That's what you can expect going into the season.
00:20:05
And for better or worse, that's where you're going to be.
00:20:07
So that'll do it for the morning briefing here on a Sunday sun shining in the window of 40 it's, as always, head over to social media at one giant podcast.
00:20:17
You can go ahead and follow us on Twitter.
00:20:20
We're going to good conversations with other Giants outlets and then, of course, on Instagram for episode drops of the podcast.
00:20:26
And then also, when it comes to Monday, the companion piece that you'll have over there is a breakdown off.
00:20:32
Andy and mine are draft our draft selections, the trades if we made any of the trade ups or downs that happen, and some additional information about what will consider to be the key players that we were able to pull out of that draft as I said you had over I teams down would rate reviewing subscribed to the podcast so that on Monday you get part one of our mock draft.
00:20:53
And then, of course, we'll also be touching base Ah, potentially with Zach from Giants 24 7 this upcoming week, seeing if there's any other news and notes that he has his eye on.
00:21:02
And additionally, we do have a potentially fantastic guest that we're trying to line up will say anything official until it is confirmed.
00:21:10
But we are very excited.
00:21:11
The prospect of being ableto have on a nice a nice ah, guess they could give us a little bit of insight as to what it is to be a New York football giants be around the organization and to just be a player in the NFL on potentially What? That what it needs in the off season, these weird times, right now that they're dealing with still stay in shape to stay prepared, to go into O t A training camp, etcetera.
00:21:34
So exciting things on the rise here.
00:21:37
And we hopefully will have you along with us every step of the way.
00:21:40
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And by the way, if you follow me, I follow you back.
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So thank you so much as well.
00:21:54
Shoutout thio Clipped thumb.
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Look, Tom, I'm assuming would probably be the way you want to go with that. Maybe your abbreviating.
00:22:00
Either way, you follow me.
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I follow you back. Good, sir.
00:22:04
Thank you for everyone.
00:22:05
The joint in this morning.
00:22:06
Hopefully you're starting it.
00:22:07
Get on board with this.
00:22:08
Here's a ramp.
00:22:09
Things up leading up to the NFL draft in just a few weeks.
00:22:12
I will be back in later today.
00:22:14
We're gonna start to get into a specific prospect profiles and where they plugged in.
00:22:19
I'll probably start to dive in a little bit deeper on this offensive line group and just talk about where I think we really need to focus in the target to improve the offensive line.
00:22:27
And then edge rusher is going to be the other area needs.
00:22:30
Those represent our two biggest needs heading into the draft, I think four big blue as always, I am out of our back.
00:22:37
Thank you so much for joining us on SportsCastr this morning we will.

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