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00:00:00
Welcome to the Laker Central podcast, where I discussed the most famous basketball franchise on the planet with the biggest, brightest up incoming voices in sports and culture.
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Before I get into today's show, make sure you tell at least one other Laker fan about the Lakers Central podcast.
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We're building a community, one listener at a time.
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So today is a treat for you guys because I'm joined by two of my favorite guest, Bene and Alan.
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What's going on? Guys was going on.
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That was going on.
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What is up? It is date 17 without no basketball, no MBA.
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And I think people are losing their minds right now.
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They're going crazy.
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I mean, do you have a positive affirmation to keep nose coming? O positive for me? No positive affirmation.
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The Lakers are still number one in the West.
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That is my positive affirmation.
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And, uh, you know, I think, Braun said that like it's him taking like this son and break is gonna mess up with his routine.
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I think he's lying.
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I think he's I think he's getting rest.
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I think everybody's getting arrested.
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I think he's gonna be ready to go and he's setting the expectations low for everybody's.
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We come in to start sweeping people out of the way.
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I think.
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I think Matt Bonner said it last week, man.
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He said This could possibly be one of the greatest playoffs all around because everybody's getting unexpected rescue, Army hip.
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So whenever they do, come back, man, I hope they get a week or two to get a couple games under the building and let's get straight to it.
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Yeah, I'm I'm open, you know? Obviously, health is the most important thing, but, uh, I think was it Mitchell Gobert Art of Mitchell got cleared by think Oh, bear Christian would, Ah, a couple other guys got, like, cleared of the Roto virus.
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So that's good.
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That's good news that they're they're getting cleared up stuff like that.
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So I'm excited.
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So since we don't have any new Laker news to talk about, I figure us three the three of us would get together and just chat about, um, our individual top five all time MBA duos.
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So you guys, you know, out there watching or listening, you may agree.
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You may disagree.
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You meet may call us idiots, but they call it straight it 100% go to College City.
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It's sure this is This is gonna be our, um our top five.
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And so what we're going to do is start off with number five.
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Um, so that has to start with you been, eh? Who all the duo's out there all time? Who would you list as your fifth greatest MBA duo? My fifth greatest N B A duo is Shawn Kemp and Gaping Wound.
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I grew up Ah, in high school, I wore number 20 because of Gary Payton.
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Uh, I loved everything about him.
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Um, I mean, he was the big trash talker.
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That was this, That that's that's not part of my personality.
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But I love the fact that, like he always played with, like, this tenacity and stuff I got and I feel like Kemp was like, he's probably at the first sky.
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But he was one of those guys that, like, even though he couldn't shoot the ball to great like he had so much athleticism, could get all up and down the court.
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I love the way they played.
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I love the lives.
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I love the defense.
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I love the fact that they made it to the finals, and Peyton was just given as much effort as you possibly could on Jordan.
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Payton and Kemp are probably one of my most favorite duos tow watch, and I really, really love that Sonic.
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See, my love, the Lakers growing up.
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But if I had that second team, it was that Sonic Stephen Payne.
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What do you think about that, Alan? My reaction was like that because I have in my top five.
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So there we go see the act.
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I definitely agree, man.
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I'll remain Lee.
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I just remember the energy and the tenacity of a quicker way GP on the defensive end, in the way he was bodacious saying, and the way he talked to players, Man, he didn't really He didn't care.
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He was the first person.
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I think like I don't care who you are in jail like I'm GP and this this and that.
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And then away, Shawn Kemp was just abused the way Hey like, that's the main thing that things are pretend being like so athletic, right? But people forgive.
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He was having a really good ah vision of the floor, Jack Kemp, and he was demonstrative on the glass is a rebound, man.
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So he's my father. Wanted a problem.
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Top 5 to 7, most after letting players ever.
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And he used to play.
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He played in an era where I mean, you weren't allowed to talk, but in the end, a That kind of let you get away with it.
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So that was like the golden days. Yeah.
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There you go.
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That was the gold days of Ah, the FDA where they let you talk stuff? I guess so.
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And I would.
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The other thing about GP was Ah, here's the Post Guys up used to post up other guards, and that's something you don't see any more in the n b A.
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You don't see guards post up other guards and GP was doing it and ah, that's like a lost art.
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I feel like, uh, in the NBA today.
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I love to Gary Payton.
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Is Shawn Camp They, um Gary Payton? I'm sorry.
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Strong Kent was one of my favorite players of all time.
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Like there's a generation, maybe two generations of kids that don't even know who the Rain man was.
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He was devastating fast.
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Yeah, he I mean the dunks.
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He was fearless.
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He could get up and down the court.
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I mean, he had that nice little mid range jumper.
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Hence the rain, man, when he was that he was a monster man, Um, that's a heck of a heck of a number five pick.
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There are no arguments out of me on that, Allen, who Jeff is as your number five.
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I wear the same page.
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I do.
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I did the right thing.
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What I told you to call about, so I didn't go with them as my number five I actually went with.
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And this might **** a few people, but I went with Larry Bird and Kevin McHale.
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Oh, I mean, you gotta put it somewhere.
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You can't just you don't like completely ago.
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We're trying to be a little objective here.
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Yeah, I would be completely honest.
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This is the Lakers, okay? Just joking.
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Not It may be that I almost didn't put him on there because I feel like you can't exclude Robert payers with them.
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They're more of a trio, but, um yeah, Bird.
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McHale me again.
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A generation doesn't know.
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Mikhail's footwork was devastating.
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He was great on the bill in the box.
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Larry bird and everybody knows who he is.
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He's one of the greatest players of all time.
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And they want, I think, what? Three rings together? I believe they went to I think he went to 44 finals, three rings.
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Um, I mean, so they were nasty.
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They were nasty.
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Look, if you gotta put a Celtics, if you gotta put any Celtics duo in the top five, putting him at the very bottom of the top five is the best choice.
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So I'm okay with that.
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Who'd you have is your fourth greatest all time Do overnight, fourth greatest all time duel.
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I'm trying to think off the top of my head like a pick up. I don't know.
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I don't know who I would put out forthe I know.
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Like what My top three probably are, but I don't know what number five you gotta You gotta four.
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Maybe I'll agree with you.
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You got much for stopping them alone.
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Okay? Okay.
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Yeah, it was Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know why I could put them out for I agree with that.
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They're I mean, there were there were a pretty crazy tandem and that pick and roll that they used to run, and Malone was like you said I kept.
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He was just like physical athletic just uses a beast running the floor and run that pig a rope or a jump shot.
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No.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Hello? Is that because he could shoot? That's what made the pick and rode out much more deadlier and a wider variety of options for Stockton on time with the shooter's space on the floor, of course.
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But when the gods said in the spring can pull up, he can step out and take 1920 feet, knocked down the jumper.
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And if you catch speaking, written back and go by him and I mean you and your stomach like I that's like the most uncalled, uh, offensive foul move.
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Like when the guy comes up when he goes up with both hands and a lift, I need just a little bit, just like Ward the guy away from from jump it.
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They don't call those anymore, I think.
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But, you know, sneaking him thinking about Robert or and I I Go ahead, go ahead.
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I remember Malone's to get into with Dennis Rodman all the time.
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Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah, and a load of crap.
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No, no, no.
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Bad. I started wrestling.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Call went on that, and I think who's the other guy was robbing? That's on the N w O against the WCW.
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So my guess And I remember, uh, that was the first time I had ever seen something like that.
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I've seen, like, you know, like basketball players show up in the ring like that.
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That's not called Malone.
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Walk up with his crew.
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I was like, Yo, this guy's built like a wrestler like there's no size difference between him and everybody else And I was just like you.
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I mean, I've never seen him in person live, but I was like, Can you imagine, like a guy that size playing basketball the way he was? It's great.
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He was one of the usual way, like those dual respect, like the risk best of both sides.
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So you looked like he was ready to like, ah, Olympic wrestle right out here.
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It's crazy line.
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If if Malone gets two rings, if he beats Jordan twice, is he the greatest powerful one of all time? Yeah, yeah, that's what has to be.
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He's got this glory accolades.
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Only thing he doesn't have is the chip.
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That's all it is.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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I think Stockton's probably because also, he never wore any rings.
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But he's probably He should be way up in the conversation when it comes to point guards, but he's probably a little bit lower just because he didn't get the ring.
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So now you get, like the Curry's magic, all that kind of moving up above them right now, you know? So I you know, it's funny.
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I was putting my list together, and I completely forgot about Stockton and Malone.
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And I think I think I forgot about them because they didn't win a ring.
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But they were nasty, you know? They were certainly nasty.
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Might number four is LeBron into Wayne way.
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Okay.
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Okay.
00:10:03
So I was hesitant to put them on there, too.
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I was hesitant because, you know, Bosch, it was more of a threesome, but I'll see what you're doing.
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Yeah, that's two best last to do of them.
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Had a better place.
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I had to.
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I if I was gonna put them in there because they were part of, you know, trios.
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Really? They were gonna be at the bottom so once once we get out of this, not so much, but yeah, I had to have them on there.
00:10:27
Um, I thought about going in another direction, but yeah, that's why I had it for Yeah, I think that's I think that it's all like before we got out, I mentioned to you guys like I don't know what the time limit.
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If there's like a if there's, like a criteria or like a threshold where you got to be playing together for, like, at least five years or stuff like that to qualify for this, that's the only reason why I probably won't put that duo there.
00:10:49
But I understand, folks. I would put it there.
00:10:51
I mean, the four years of possible that Miami Heat team had it was like aside from the championships is like some of the most entertaining basketball you could probably watch.
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There's a throwing lobs and stuff to each other all day.
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Who do you have it? Number three.
00:11:05
Well, Mir out.
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You wanna, uh So off my three of my top 32 of them, our Laker duos and the third Laker duel, which is my third rate is going to be magic and Kareem Ah, that I have as my duo.
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Ah, for my third best duo in the MBA.
00:11:26
Um, the reason why I put them there is obviously there's another Laker duo that's very close to buy heart.
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That's going to be the hat ranked higher than them.
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But at the same time, you know magic coming in as a rookie, being an impact rookie, just like from the jump, Um, and doing the things that he did.
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And Karim just being the vet.
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You know, uh, being that steady anchor for that team when I was when I first got in, the basketball was probably right at the tail end of their career.
00:11:52
Um, but I remember my grandfather spent a lot of time watching Lakers basketball just cause he thought it was super entertaining and he loved magic.
00:12:00
It was just something about like the personality being in the forum.
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Ah, the crowd and just the experience of watching Lakers basketball and the fact that they were successful, man like, you know, they lost in the finals.
00:12:14
They want in the finals.
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You got that? Like, uh, that joy and agony with that duo.
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So, uh, that's why I got I got magic and cream as my number three.
00:12:24
Interesting.
00:12:25
Interesting.
00:12:26
That's that's low for a tandem.
00:12:28
That 15 rings, right? No, I know, I know, but I'm trying to be objective here.
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If I if I wasn't being objective, that it would be a little bit different.
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But going.
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What do you think, Alan? Um, I like it.
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I understand what you standing are, uh, slightly agree, but I'm just really but my effort is cool.
00:12:53
Oh, yeah? Well, I've got to see them play allotment for the majority of all of their career.
00:12:59
Basically, Um, but, I mean, I don't think they completely reach their full potential, right? And, uh, three rings with ability that they had and the team that they have teams that they had around him, They probably could have one more day.
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They admitted that multiple times like they could have won 45 maybe six or seven, whether he in row or whether they have being in a eight or nine years.
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Um, So I have that thing about three.
00:13:27
Uh, so I stick with that.
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I think I stayed with Kobe and Shaq at three.
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I wouldn't I wouldn't It was hard to do.
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Yeah, because the place when they came my mind duo Kobe is coming shagging all day, but I have to be real with myself on that one.
00:13:46
So Kobe and Shaq it.
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So this might ****ing people up with my number.
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Three is Michael and Scottie.
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Wow.
00:13:58
Now they can easily be full disclosure.
00:14:00
They could easily be number one, obviously.
00:14:03
But the reason why I have them at number three behind to Laker duos is because they say one more rings than the two Laker duos that I'll eventually get to.
00:14:13
But those two Laker duos the four players, they're all widely considered top 52 top 10 players.
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Pippen is not considered a top 10 player, And so Michael all day.
00:14:25
But if obviously their accomplishments stand on their own with six rings.
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But when I started looking at okay, let's look at them individually, you know, out of Jordan and Pippen.
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Pippen doesn't stack up to the other.
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The other.
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You know, the other guys on the other stars there.
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Yeah, that's the only reason I dropped him.
00:14:43
Um, but I don't know.
00:14:46
I'm sure that's gonna **** in people.
00:14:48
What do you What do you think? Um you know, for what, 17 years of LeBron's career? Because he's the Laker.
00:14:56
Now, all we've been hearing about is how terrible the Eastern Conference has been ever since he's been there.
00:15:01
Does any of that does any of that lack of competition in the Eastern Conference? Does that apply to those Bulls teams in their championship runs? Mmm.
00:15:13
What? The East wasn't bad, though? I mean, like, the Knicks were good back then.
00:15:17
Who? Um who would they go through for those rings? I know they went to the Knicks.
00:15:22
Uh, India, the place.
00:15:24
My, my, um I mean, maybe shock.
00:15:30
Bad baby shacks. Magic? Yep.
00:15:33
I mean, even if they lost along Yeah.
00:15:36
Yeah, I forgot about Yeah, I forgot about shacks.
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Magic.
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Well, even shot out the pinion shack.
00:15:40
****, They were a great duel also.
00:15:42
But even if the east was weak when Jordan was playing, he ran through everybody in the west.
00:15:47
So it isn't even like LeBron dropped thio Golden State.
00:15:50
But Jordan didn't lose anybody.
00:15:52
Mmm.
00:15:53
Interesting. Interesting.
00:15:55
I'm curious.
00:15:56
I'm curious that ah, to know if you know a lot of the conversation is always, you know, you made it to the finals, but you lost.
00:16:04
That's obviously the biggest marker against the Bronco.
00:16:06
He made it like nine times, the only one like, three times.
00:16:09
But it's if you can't win in the finals.
00:16:12
Considering your competition, Uh, making it to the Finals is a pretty big accomplishment, if you ask me.
00:16:18
Ah, and I don't know anybody competitive basketball person that's gonna say, No, I don't want to play with the guy that goes to the You know that can get me to the finals every year.
00:16:26
So it just kind of makes me wonder.
00:16:28
Sometimes that did.
00:16:30
Did the Eastern Conference just get worse after Jordan left? Or was Jordan just that much better than the Eastern Conference? And that's why he was going to I mean, I could see that I could see the argument that maybe the Eastern Conference wasn't as good as everybody says it was when Jordan was going, because Jordan was so much, so much higher level, so much better than I like.
00:16:49
Just like you, said Jordan.
00:16:50
When Scotty doesn't hold cake, too, he doesn't hold a candle to uh, Karim or Magic, Uh, or any of the other Kobe your shack, right? So was the difference between Scotty and Jordan so much that the even the arrest of the Eastern Conference couldn't match up way? Say, Bob Rog, it's funny.
00:17:08
It's always watching an interview with John Salley the other day that he did on VLAD TV.
00:17:12
And he said when the bad boy Pistons used to beat up on Jordan, he was like all that stopped when Scotty got there and fill that Scottie kind of have more of a bigger role, he says.
00:17:22
Scotty was the one that we did like.
00:17:24
We had to match it with Jordan.
00:17:25
We had everything figured out with Mike, but one Scotty became Scotty.
00:17:28
We couldn't stop both of them.
00:17:30
So by Scotty's a top 20 top 25 player in my book.
00:17:34
But he does he just not as great as some of these other guys.
00:17:37
Let me ask you this, though.
00:17:38
If Jordan doesn't retire, does he beat a came those two years that the Rockets want? I don't know, because the Rockets team those two years were a kid was he was humming man, but they were built in.
00:17:50
They were built, like in opposite ways.
00:17:52
Right, cause Ah, they did Houston run two bigs.
00:17:55
But Samson playing with them two at the same time.
00:17:58
Well, earlier that was earlier.
00:18:02
Because what's hotel? Who was the big on that team? Or he was on that team or he was on that team.
00:18:06
You know, your oldest norm.
00:18:09
Was he on the team? I can't remember, but I feel like those their offenses were built in the opposite direction.
00:18:15
So, like, Chicago had, you know, they had their bigs and stuff like that, but obviously they're more perimeter oriented, more willing, or he said, Yeah, Jordan Pippen or in the play.
00:18:23
Whereas you had Ah, Houston setting up.
00:18:27
You know, Hakeem and self.
00:18:28
I gotta Nobody could guard came as it wasn't.
00:18:30
You saw what he did the shack in the finals.
00:18:32
So I would say I know.
00:18:34
I don't know. It could be a toss up because you never know.
00:18:36
It depends on who wins the match ups, right? It was gonna be it was gonna come down toe.
00:18:42
George is gonna excite the shooting of all right.
00:18:44
Jacqui render was Kennedy J with Mario Elie.
00:18:48
You no matter.
00:18:49
Jet Drexler.
00:18:50
I'm accident.
00:18:51
Balaban.
00:18:52
Whatever.
00:18:53
Okay, so then you go with our king exit.
00:18:56
Now, whoever your center of your PowerBook Longley Look long.
00:18:59
He was a center, right? And harsher Still. Yeah.
00:19:01
Look long.
00:19:02
We, uh, Mike.
00:19:04
Yeah. That look lonely was there.
00:19:06
Horace Grant was there, so he's gonna extend out, but excellent.
00:19:10
Tool.
00:19:11
Your rotational players right there, Right? Yep.
00:19:12
Now, now it's gonna come down the road.
00:19:14
So you gotta study, study, going against Marshal every Rob Roy Sand.
00:19:19
So all these other guys hip who were consistent and floor spacers, Right? So maybe Scotty, maybe Scotty and his match of balancing our inventory.
00:19:30
Maybe Scotty gets hit by a couple points.
00:19:32
Couple rebounds, whatever it may be.
00:19:34
But you got sample said Mario Elie.
00:19:37
For sure, I'll do it.
00:19:39
Ah, Ron Harper was the starting point guard, right? Yeah.
00:19:42
Using his defensive use their defensive point guard or whatever. Like the floor leader.
00:19:46
They were big on.
00:19:47
So, Harper, what? 6666 Jordan was 66 Scotty was 67 I mean, they were big man on the planet. I did.
00:19:55
I don't know what years they had CU coach also because Coach was on that roster to as well.
00:19:58
So they had that whole, like they could match up with that with the spread out situation.
00:20:03
But again, like it's hard to tell, because in the finals, we've always liked it.
00:20:07
But, I mean, obviously in recent history, we haven't seen that.
00:20:10
But back Prior Thio, the three point crazy stuff I got there that we're in now, like people used to go into their big If you had a dominant big, you would win because you always get, like, his easy close shots at the rim and stuff like that.
00:20:22
So I don't know that it could go either way.
00:20:25
I said explain.
00:20:27
Yeah, I'm the only other thing I could say is Chicago probably had the better coach, so I don't know if I don't know if you're gonna be ableto outcoached.
00:20:35
Chicago And I was the ataman was coaching the Rockets back then, uh, let me get out of championship.
00:20:44
Oh, yeah, you're Well, it was Rudy Tomjanovich.
00:20:48
He coached the Lakers for like a week.
00:20:50
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:51
Like a part of it. Yeah.
00:20:53
Yes, I'm gonna miss you guys.
00:20:55
Right.
00:20:56
So, Vinnie, who'd you who's who's your third greatest do? Ah.
00:21:00
So third, I had, uh so second I picked painting camp fourth.
00:21:07
I went with I was cool with Malone and Stockton.
00:21:10
Ah, third.
00:21:12
I have Oh, I think that I told you right Third was Ah, um Magic and Magic and Kareem So seconds Oh, second I have I have Jordan and Pippen at second Ah, my, uh, on my list of NBA's greatest duos and the reason why Ah, I don't have them first.
00:21:35
I wouldn't say Second, it's like one b.
00:21:38
I wouldn't say It's like, uh, there there a second.
00:21:41
The reason why I have them as as one B is because they have the greatest coach of all time.
00:21:46
That was coaching them.
00:21:47
Um, secondly, I don't know if the Eastern Conference was as good as a Western conference back that because I don't know how that can just all of a sudden, you know, just disappear on our conference just becomes less competitive because Jordan retired.
00:22:01
I mean, obviously, because Jordan retires.
00:22:03
But I think Jordan was just so much better than everybody else in that conference that you just weren't gonna be in the playoffs unless you had, like, 30 files and you were just following him every single time you touched the ball.
00:22:13
Um and I mean, that's really the only reason why I have them at as, like, one b r or two.
00:22:20
So I've got Jordan and Pippen as to their dominant.
00:22:23
When they got to the finals, there were great.
00:22:25
But at the same time, they were playing some team.
00:22:27
No, they play the jazz twice.
00:22:31
And I was like, All right, You know, once you beat a team like the first time, you're like, all right, we see him again in the finals, and there's no changes in the roster.
00:22:38
Is basically the same roster, Probably you.
00:22:40
But I already know how you gonna match up who's gonna dominate.
00:22:43
And the jazz kept is a competitive Siri's.
00:22:45
But like, I don't know if they really had any chance against Jordan stuff I got, um but I've got them at number two, and I'm sure there's a lot of basketball purists.
00:22:53
They're not going to like that.
00:22:56
Who's your number to Alan, huh? I gotta want anyone be okay.
00:23:03
I kind of altered it just now.
00:23:07
Um, I'm gonna put magic and Kareem second.
00:23:10
Okay, Um, I had him at the top, but I only know about thing historically from watching highlights.
00:23:17
Agent is read, right.
00:23:19
I can't really judge down.
00:23:21
So I'm I have magic.
00:23:23
And Kareem at two.
00:23:26
They were very dominant, you know.
00:23:29
You can call them dominant.
00:23:30
They did lose to the Celtics as well.
00:23:32
But when we get to this point right here, where this stuff is, who's the best? Who's been second back being lost? He he didn't know what I mean.
00:23:42
That's why I dropped them down the tools.
00:23:44
So I drive Magic and Kareem down there.
00:23:48
Look, yeah, I'm not changing back.
00:23:50
That's what I keep thinking.
00:23:53
I want to sleep, eat, and I'm like me, But I'm gonna be magic and Kareem.
00:23:58
Yeah, I've got them at two also, um, and they could He said to me they could be number one also, but I've got him at number two.
00:24:06
Um, they were a devastating duo, obviously, I think, even though as great as they were, Karim ended up, you know, he was a bit older, certainly as they got it one along the years.
00:24:16
So a 15 rings.
00:24:19
But Karim did win one with Oscar Robinson.
00:24:21
Also, I believe, but, you know, five rings is a lot.
00:24:26
They dominated the air today, but they did lose to the Celtics.
00:24:29
Who won, I think 33 or four doing that same stretch.
00:24:32
But you have got him at number two.
00:24:34
So then I, um, carries to see Rene who you have a number one s o Number one is Ah, the duel That's near and dear.
00:24:42
Closest to my heart the team, the duo that I feel probably did have role players as good as, ah, Magic and Kareem as Scotty and, um, Scotty and, uh, Jordan.
00:24:56
It's Kobe and Shaq.
00:24:58
The two shack was the most dominant person I have, like the most physically dominant player I have ever seen in his position.
00:25:07
What? And and you know, he was skilled.
00:25:09
He was very skilled.
00:25:10
And I think a lot of people think that shock you, so just don't have all the time.
00:25:14
They don't realize you had that, like, that shot put little floater that used to take you right out of the middle of the Yeah, take out of the middle of the key.
00:25:22
He sound that drop that drop step Spin used to have that move where he used to clear out dudes with his elbow and stuff like guy and, you know, like bloody and those guys and Sabonis.
00:25:31
And then they used all complain about it, and I mean, I don't I don't think there's anything more about Kobe and his legacy and his tenacity and competitiveness as a player that needs to be said that hasn't been said and, like, you know, over the course of his career.
00:25:45
But the reason why I have them Number one is because the Lakers, even during their three peat run, we're not favored to win.
00:25:56
Even some of those, like some of those rounds going into the finals when they got to the finals and they're playing like the Nets are there, play like the the Pacers or something.
00:26:04
They may have been favored, but they weren't the favorite against Portland.
00:26:07
They weren't the favorite against the Kings.
00:26:09
They weren't the favorite against like the Spurs.
00:26:12
At times they were consistently counted out before they could actually make it to the finals against the East.
00:26:19
And that's you know, this is that argument that the East wasn't as good as the West.
00:26:23
It was because the Lakers were making it to the finals, and we're just like wiping out teams in the Eastern Conference finals.
00:26:29
So the reason why I have them Number one is because the role players were like, not that they were terrible, but their role players were like Fischer.
00:26:38
Fischer is a great point car, but it's not like he was like lighting it up.
00:26:40
He's not like the greatest fun carnival time.
00:26:43
Um, like we had Rick Fox playing, uh, Kobe one of the oh, this is what a shock.
00:26:49
But, you know, he wanted with the reason one of the art tests the role players weren't as, like, seasoned or as great as a role players on the other side that we brought back for us, Grant and I feel like for one run, uh, I think they're the role players.
00:27:05
They started their rose man and 1/3 player all what you never did.
00:27:10
You just never know the third.
00:27:11
I was gonna be one just going right.
00:27:15
Let her go.
00:27:16
Good.
00:27:17
So you got Glen Rice one year, right? You bring humanity that here's one year we get the ring to then brought it.
00:27:23
Yet You're the first guy they brought in first, though.
00:27:26
When Phil Ken was Ron Harper was running every up, and he was that he was a Jared Dudley type guy.
00:27:32
But he was getting more minutes on a Ford.
00:27:35
If he only brought Ron Harper and because of him, already known it since then, because of the way he could relate to the players, I wouldn't be able to.
00:27:44
All right, So you got Rick Fox.
00:27:45
Robert Warning.
00:27:46
Derek's patient, Ron Harper.
00:27:48
Horseman Gun rights.
00:27:50
Yeah, right.
00:27:51
So the role players were some guys, man.
00:27:55
Yeah, it's somebody just time fresh. Ah, yup.
00:27:59
Price.
00:28:00
I had that left corner lot that he used to love to throw to shock every time.
00:28:04
J R.
00:28:05
Rider, I think the second year at Threepio Jr So I was gonna say that The reason why I've got them number one, um, is we hear it today with this Lakers team right now.
00:28:17
Now we got, like, all these role players, But you know, when LeBron goes to the bench itself, I got team falls apart.
00:28:22
If it's just an anti Davis, you know the role players won't stack up itself.
00:28:25
I got and I feel like, um and there are other teams that have more talent on their roster.
00:28:31
You got guys that are individually, better, talented, more top to buy, more talented.
00:28:36
And I feel like that Lakers team with that duo.
00:28:39
Shaq and Kobe used to go through that every single time.
00:28:42
Whether it be Popovich and the and the Spurs are for the Blazers team, that was Super Stack.
00:28:47
They had, like Jermaine O'Neal coming off the bench or something like that for that team. Young.
00:28:51
See Wallace? Yeah, Wallace was on that team, And so, like all these different teams that the Lakers weren't favorite against And, you know, we have had incredible moments come out of their their championship runs and stuff like that stuff.
00:29:04
That's the reason why I'm Kobe.
00:29:05
And you know, the other reason why is I've watched all 20 years of Kobe Bryant.
00:29:10
I watched all the years a Shack play for the Lakers, so for me, that's the closest, and I caught a certain section.
00:29:16
That's why, for the folks that are asking for their like raising their eyebrows, I put Scotty, Scotty and um, Jordan a little bit lower.
00:29:23
I didn't watch Scotty and Jordan as much as I watched Kobe and Shaq.
00:29:27
It's the same thing for Kareem and Magic.
00:29:28
Like I don't I don't penalize guys for losing in the finals as much because getting to the finals is that's like the second best thing that could possibly happen.
00:29:38
But I'm more attached to that duel because I got Chest C all I got.
00:29:43
I got to sit in front of my team E t v and like scream when or he shot that three off that bloody tip and stuff, I guess.
00:29:51
So.
00:29:52
You know, that's That's the reason why I have the number one.
00:29:54
They were always counted out, and even after winning back to back championships, man, they were like, Oh, No.
00:30:00
Three Pete's not gonna happen.
00:30:02
Look at this other team in the West.
00:30:03
They got way more talent, top to bottom, and so that that's that's Ah, that's why I got them at the top.
00:30:10
Alan, would you have at the top of your list? Ah, scarring and J.
00:30:15
Okay, to be honest, man, I know I'll probably **** people off.
00:30:20
But Jordan, I'm Jordan was never my favorite player who's your favorite player.
00:30:26
My favorite players called by.
00:30:28
Here you go, George.
00:30:29
Like from 96.
00:30:32
So when he retired, That's why I watch every night.
00:30:37
Yep.
00:30:38
Like yes, I understood how How good or how great.
00:30:41
I don't wanna.
00:30:42
Under understate I'd know how great Jordan was, right? I saw the things he did, but at the same time, I wasn't seeing all 82 of his games.
00:30:51
Um, you know what I mean? What I was seeing, you know, flannels.
00:30:54
And I've seen him go against competing, and I would see him go against Utah like, Okay, I understand it, But I just couldn't relate as much to him as I did, Kobe.
00:31:05
But I still understand that thing.
00:31:09
Never lost in the finals and honor.
00:31:12
And I also understand how much his attitude and mentality rode off on every single guy on the team.
00:31:23
And and people underestimate study pigment.
00:31:26
And at one point early in the nineties, when they did the top 50 greatest players, he was one of those dogs.
00:31:32
Yep. Right.
00:31:33
And scott, and being in the sense that he could do business in that without Jordan, we could have some big numbers.
00:31:40
Yes, they lost, but he put up some big numbers all season.
00:31:44
Guinea goes to Portland as an older guy and does the things he did the same pig in Houston.
00:31:52
So when people say Scotty isn't no, he didn't have a starter.
00:31:56
But when you look at his resume, all defense of all in BA and all stars, he was one of those guys.
00:32:03
He was him and Larry Johnson used to Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm on my way and we ran into We ran into Scotty, right when we had to be Portland in Siri's and Portland.
00:32:16
Portland was one of those teams, man, they had, like Derek Anderson next autumn. I was on that team.
00:32:22
Yeah, the way he was one of the coat.
00:32:28
I think they had that Patterson.
00:32:30
Yeah, there we go.
00:32:32
The Kobe stop.
00:32:33
Let Scotty was a bad man.
00:32:36
And look, let me just say this.
00:32:38
Let me be really clear.
00:32:40
I'll take Scotty over Kawai Hlynur, and that's good.
00:32:43
And that's not That's not me hating quiet because he didn't sound the Lakers like look at their historical numbers.
00:32:48
I mean, Scotty was defensively was the monster, you know, if he was playing in today's MBA.
00:32:54
He probably he would easily be a Max player.
00:32:57
Yummy that he could shoot.
00:32:59
He could drive.
00:33:00
He could. He could spread that.
00:33:01
He could do whatever he wanted on the floor, man.
00:33:02
So, yeah, Scotty was a bad man.
00:33:05
You guys think of you guys.
00:33:08
I've heard people say before that LeBron's like a more gifted version of Scotty like, um, obviously, when LeBron wants to get a gauge on the defense of the offensive that he could do that.
00:33:18
But I've heard that LeBron is.
00:33:21
I've heard people say that and I think I feel like Scott.
00:33:23
He says something like that a long time ago.
00:33:25
And I know LeBron like when they talk about him, it goes from like Magic LeBron passes like magic or LeBron as this clutch gene like, you know, Jordan, Um and then I heard people say he's like Scotty, I don't know, man, but when I think about it, when I when I look at how Scotty used to play and just kind of the his physical capacity like the athleticism, Steffy asked.
00:33:47
I mean, I could tell you I think Braun is more athletic than probably.
00:33:50
Scotty was but all the skill set stuff, the ball, handling the passing on that stuff.
00:33:57
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:58
So it's, uh I could see it.
00:34:02
I think I think Scottie came in more ready than Korg.
00:34:08
Oh, yeah, Um, my mother's fun.
00:34:10
She did he ever single digits.
00:34:12
But right after that, he ran off, like, 67 straight year.
00:34:15
The double digit, What? A few days.
00:34:17
And I feel like this in there.
00:34:20
And I feel like the two years that Jordan took a break.
00:34:22
Scotty was like, he was tremendous.
00:34:24
He was, He was.
00:34:25
He was second in N v P voting.
00:34:27
I believe one of those years we're going the ****.
00:34:31
Yeah, Scotty was nasty.
00:34:33
I think he doesn't get the credit that he deserves, you know, for I think people kind of look over him, but he was a bad man.
00:34:38
Do so the top of my list.
00:34:42
Shaq and Kobe.
00:34:43
I mean, there they are.
00:34:45
I'm old enough to remember Mike, Michael and Scottie in their primes.
00:34:49
You know, I came on the scene kind of the tail end of magic and Kareem, but I grew up on Shaq and Kobe like they they are it for me.
00:34:57
Um, I've never seen a player as dominant a shack was.
00:35:01
I mean, obviously, Wilt Chamberlain is probably his best historical come.
00:35:05
But I didn't get to see will, um, and Kobe is the closest thing that I've ever seen The Michael Jordan.
00:35:11
So these two dudes, I do think it's fair to say that they didn't have as great of a supporting cast that say, You know, the Showtime Lakers or the debt nineties Bulls because the league also expanded.
00:35:23
So like when when the Showtime ERA Lakers were running running off on winning championships.
00:35:28
The league only had 23 teams by the time Shaq and Kobe came on the scene, the league at 29 teams.
00:35:33
So you know, the Shaq Kobe Lakers didn't have the chance to have a James worthy on their team.
00:35:39
That exactly? Yeah, you know, or even a Byron Scott who I know most Lakers young Laker fans hates a coach, but as a player, Byron Scott was a **** good player, you know? I mean, so those Laker teams out the Celtics teams also they were stacked because the league wasn't that spread out.
00:35:54
So in their primes, like all of these duos.
00:36:00
I take Shaq and Kobe against anybody.
00:36:03
Yeah, I don't think I don't think even though we were winning championships, it almost felt like we were underdogs all the time because of the way everybody was trying to promote the other teams over the Lakers.
00:36:14
Um, I think I think the reason the other reason why is because at their position, I actually put it this way, you know, like the FDA is a copycat league, you know, Uh, and right now, everybody says that because of all the three point shooting out and, you know, even probably do that because of all the skill set, the skill set.
00:36:32
A guy like LeBron, as people are trying to draft like these forwards and self I got were like, these multi multi purpose for words that could pass that could shoot. That could score.
00:36:41
Um, And then, you know, now, with curry and the prevalence of shooting in the d.
00:36:46
A, they're looking for, like, these guards that could shoot like 40% for three.
00:36:50
I have, like, quick triggers, could get around screens and stuff like that.
00:36:54
But there was a long stretch of basketball.
00:36:56
I would say, like from 95 2 maybe prob.
00:36:59
Probably like 2010 where everybody was trying to find that next Kobe Bryant.
00:37:05
So that's why you get the guys like McGrady.
00:37:08
That's why you got a bathroom break.
00:37:10
Okay? But you have, like guys drafting shooting guards like the O.
00:37:13
J Mayo's and stuff again.
00:37:14
Everybody was trying to find that shooting guard that could fill that That, like the role of the volume shooting guard that Kobe Bryant was.
00:37:22
And for a long time when shack was on the scene, everybody was drafting centers to try and stop chef everything.
00:37:30
So, ah, when Yao Ming came on the scene, there was supposed to be a new big man to come in, like run the MBA and shacks that no, we're gonna get him out of the way to the bonus was supposed to be the sweet passing.
00:37:41
You know, Big man in the fan has a body.
00:37:44
Rick Smits for Indiana was supposed to be the guy who could pull up to Do you have a poster tagger, Utah, who was supposed to Body Shack, too? Um, I'm trying to think of all these different centers that people used to have, and people were trying to draft guys like the Clippers after Michael A candy.
00:38:01
It's not.
00:38:02
It's not that he could stop Shockley.
00:38:04
People were making decisions based on stopping Shaq and Kobe.
00:38:07
And so I feel like those two for a long time set the trends for how the draft used to work for a lot of teams.
00:38:15
And, um, I mean, we don't know.
00:38:17
I mean, people won't know now that the LeBron Curry generation of fans, young kids, they won't know it.
00:38:22
But Shaq and Kobe were their duo, and their their abilities cause ripples in the N B A.
00:38:29
That maybe folks don't realize why I got going.
00:38:34
Alan, I want to say also with the lack of death that the Lakers had on those rosters.
00:38:40
One thing that I knew one thing I felt was a reason they were underdogs is because the media used to pour so much energy in the The Lakers did not fall apart this year because she can't get along.
00:38:54
Yeah, they're gonna fall a partition because this kissing that Oh, Kobe said That's the shocking practice because he came in on the shaping, changing blah, blah blah, blah, blah like they're talking about training camp in March and April Steel.
00:39:06
Like trying to make something happen here.
00:39:09
I think it was never an eight.
00:39:11
They end up saying it was never that serious.
00:39:13
You know what I mean? Sometimes they did it for the media and they were on the same page, the hold on time.
00:39:20
So I think that was one reason why they were also underdogs.
00:39:23
Come.
00:39:24
Everybody thought they didn't have a commodity.
00:39:26
Yeah, I agree.
00:39:28
No, I agree.
00:39:30
And this is a bit off topic, but I'm gonna tell you guys this and I'm curious to hear your opinions.
00:39:34
I was talking to a sportswriter of the other day.
00:39:36
I'm not gonna mention his name because he didn't.
00:39:37
He said he didn't want Lakers Nation coming after him.
00:39:40
Nobody Dhoni does were the biggest.
00:39:42
Where Eddie A Twitter is Lakers Twitter, that anybody who's watching this or seizures afterwards like there's no like confusion about that like Lakers are the biggest fan base on Twitter.
00:39:53
So, like oh, it takes it takes is what, like a three minute a three minute segment of Rondeau playing like garbage for us to get him trending on Twitter.
00:40:01
Go home.
00:40:02
So come on now.
00:40:10
What is it? A first? What do you say? Oh, you there? Yeah.
00:40:18
Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. You froze up for a second. Go it.
00:40:20
Oh, no, I'm good way.
00:40:23
Sports writer question lets you question my bet.
00:40:26
It gets on my end.
00:40:27
No, listen, So he said, he said, For for stretch Tracy McGrady was ever every bit as good as Kobe Bryant.
00:40:37
And I said, Um, offensively, I think McGrady could do pretty much what Kobe could do offensively, But defensively is way.
00:40:45
Who will be completely separated? Separate himself, Not to mention you look at their primes.
00:40:50
McGrady's peak lasted seven years, while Kobe was still in his prime for about 14 seasons up until he tore his Achilles.
00:40:57
So I said, the longevity, Ellen, this writer said You can't hold McGrady's injuries against them, and I said no.
00:41:03
But if he was only at his peak for seven years and Kobe was at his peak for 14 you mean you can't throw that out the window either? So you know, somebody once told me the best abilities availability and Kobe was available more times than not and again Defensively, Kobe was the best offense.
00:41:19
A player in the best defensive player in the league for stretch.
00:41:22
Yeah, I would say Team Market glad going out.
00:41:28
He was.
00:41:29
He was 68 1st of all, Long Wings, man.
00:41:32
And he was overly athletic.
00:41:36
And then once his jump shot started getting better and his handle started getting tighter.
00:41:41
I think for two years, two years in Orlando.
00:41:45
He was a guy.
00:41:46
He was that guy in Orlando about two years and and I can go with two years there.
00:41:50
When him and Kobe were necking maker you could somebody have team back up there but in Kobe and Vice versa.
00:41:56
And then his first year in his first year? Hey, suppose healthy year in Houston.
00:42:01
Wait.
00:42:02
We bumped into him in the final in the playoffs, So I like that I like to make.
00:42:09
So I don't really have one.
00:42:10
I love Kobe, but I'm about team.
00:42:14
But he was definitely, definitely Ah, hard matchup.
00:42:19
They did.
00:42:21
Um, I think I could I think you could say I agree with you, Alan.
00:42:26
That like or a story Alex that in regards to, like, maybe the offensive ability like the production and stuff like that was there between T.
00:42:34
Mac and um Kobe? But I know there's a thing on Twitter where people want to talk about bags and stuff I got when it comes to like offensive skill sets.
00:42:43
Um, do you think T.
00:42:44
Mac had the same skill set that Kobe did? Because I feel like maybe he was more of a jump shooter that I mean, Cody was the jump shooter, too.
00:42:51
But I feel like Kobe had a much more mature handle and a much more mature shot selection, even though you know he had Sergei's.
00:43:01
Ray should really that.
00:43:02
Ah, but, uh, I feel like because Kobe's game was more mature to think didn t. Mac's team.
00:43:11
Marco was like kind of scoring on, like, raw ability, like he just he had so much that, like you said, he was years longer.
00:43:16
You had athleticism, you could shoot.
00:43:18
So he was relying on that, and that's That could be why his body broke down kind of overtime and stuff like that because of his or her reliance on athleticism.
00:43:27
But I think I think team at his game is closer to Katie's, like He reminds me a lot of like a Kevin Durant.
00:43:34
He's a little bit smaller, but, like team that could pull up pretty much anywhere.
00:43:39
He was super athletic, but, like I him and Kobe's games overlap.
00:43:44
But then there are some differences in their games as well does if you swap if you swap, if you swap Tracy and Kobe for the for the years, that shack was in L.
00:43:54
A Do they want us the same number of championships? No, I don't think so.
00:44:00
What do you think? Our yes or no? I don't think we went.
00:44:06
Please stay.
00:44:08
Okay? I don't know.
00:44:09
Maybe when what I want, I just even I could see them winning the Philadelphia Siri's with t mat.
00:44:15
Oh, yeah.
00:44:16
You think going now? As I say, You think you think, um, they get past some of those Western Conference teams with T Mac instead of Kobe? It was when I see a different side of the team back that we never solved.
00:44:33
Yeah, Kobe mentality Think pushed them in a lot of those games.
00:44:39
Yeah, that Portland team was So whatever staff they were stacked.
00:44:43
They were rough.
00:44:44
Physical man body wells. Ruben Patterson.
00:44:48
Scottie Pippen? Yeah.
00:44:50
Wait on bodies, actually.
00:44:52
Yeah.
00:44:53
And they'll go fight if they had to fight to get you out of game. They're going.
00:44:56
Yeah, like so.
00:44:57
We're just gonna have to see something different from feedback that we never saw because we only saw him on acting Televised games, You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:45:05
Yeah, I say I say they be Philly Now.
00:45:10
They will be Really, um, he might have struggled versus Pacers team.
00:45:14
They were really physical as well.
00:45:17
And I think we could probably beat the Nets with Mac two.
00:45:21
Yeah.
00:45:22
Yeah, I can. I can see that.
00:45:25
Um, I've had I've had people say, You know, if they had t Mac, it would they would have won three straight.
00:45:30
I Yeah, I don't either.
00:45:33
I think they get one, and then you have to see what happens from there.
00:45:37
Um, you know, But so we were able to throw Kobe A I can t mag art.
00:45:44
Good team at Gardez are.
00:45:46
No, no, not back back then, eh? I was given Kobe the business.
00:45:53
Exactly.
00:45:54
Yeah, I feel like I feel like we probably I mean, we probably win a championship, depending on what we match up with that.
00:46:02
How it goes, Um, I think the stuff that we said sort of, uh along this, like rankings.
00:46:09
Like about how Kobe's um, like his character, we mentioned about Jordan like his character and his personality kind of was infectious.
00:46:16
He called other people accountable.
00:46:18
And I think like that sort of leadership is something that, um is like one of those intangible things that you can't put like any sort of, um, cornered quantification on.
00:46:28
I'll say the other thing, this is this, too.
00:46:31
Um, that triangle office is not an ****ytics friendly offense at all.
00:46:34
It doesn't emphasize taking like the best Sean available.
00:46:38
It's that offenses, you know, swing the ball around.
00:46:42
But it's really find the mismatch like, where is it that mismatches? It's the same action every time, except it may just be a different result.
00:46:49
It's either a kick out of past a dropoff pass or to lay up or maybe a pull up jumper.
00:46:54
So I feel like this is something that I know a lot of people, a lot of the big Kobe, felt like the knowledgeable Cobain fans have said this.
00:47:02
You can't compare Kobe's offense and his era and his shooting percentages, Um, in that offense to like what goes on today, Today, everybody trying to optimize for space and skill.
00:47:14
And you've got you have video and data and tapes and stuff I got that triangle offense is now what that is.
00:47:19
And it was more about matchups and finding the right play, Um, and, you know, read and react up kind of offense.
00:47:26
So, um, I don't know A T Mac would have been successful in that offense because he probably would have gone the same kind of volume, maybe, or maybe have the same kind of like offensive reads, made the same, reads that Kobe did that time so that he would have gotten probably 15 shots a game, similar to what Glen Rice got that first season he got there and and Del Harris.
00:47:48
So it's funny you guys probably know this.
00:47:50
I don't know if all the fans do, but, like Don't Care said that Jerry West tried to convince Jerry Buss to trade for team back in 1997 2 pair him with Shaq and Kobe, but Jerry Buster in one of team, you know so it's not happening.
00:48:03
But don't imagine a young Kobe and a young team Mac with a prime shack.
00:48:08
That would have been we got We got to see, we didn't have shocked.
00:48:11
But we got to see events, and t Mac was like backing them up basically.
00:48:15
And I was I remember when he got traded, I was just like, Why did these two guys not play together at the same time? All the time And I feel like that was like a huge missed opportunity for the Raptors when it happened.
00:48:26
But, uh oh, my God, you put T Mac next.
00:48:29
Thio.
00:48:30
How many more years does he add to Shaq and Kobe, right? Just just by being there.
00:48:33
How many more years of the ads in his career? Yeah, certainly.
00:48:36
Yeah, seriously? Yeah.
00:48:38
Yeah.
00:48:39
I mean, you're talking those three.
00:48:41
I mean, they they probably win what, five.
00:48:45
He's I mean, I don't want to easily, but there they should.
00:48:47
If you add team back on that Lakers thing, they probably beat Detroit that year, right? And then maybe shocked, huh? Way be Detroit? We'd be Detroit of caramel on your Yeah, I completely I agree with that statement.
00:49:02
Oh, my God. My bad.
00:49:04
My bad for throwing that in there.
00:49:05
So you're saying we probably read it with you, right? So you beat the trade with team back.
00:49:10
That gives us four.
00:49:11
And then maybe shack doesn't get traded to Miami.
00:49:14
And so s so then because Kobe went goes on to win two more repel.
00:49:18
So I mean, they might This is gonna sound ridiculous.
00:49:22
They might win like seven rings there, I think.
00:49:27
Yeah, I think they could have one.
00:49:28
They could have at least one that if Shaq doesn't leave the Miami, they probably still have a good chance of winning.
00:49:33
Ah, more championships.
00:49:35
Like if he had just stayed, like, two extra years or something like that before you said it bouncing around the league like he did Shock.
00:49:40
Still had some.
00:49:41
Maybe after he left Lakers pilot maybe 23 years, like he had to maybe work his figure out his work load a little bit, But you probably still could have been very competitive.
00:49:50
So that first year in Miami, he was runner up to M v p to Steve Nash.
00:49:55
So he still headed in him? Yeah.
00:49:57
You know, these for two more seasons.
00:49:59
I will say this I go ahead on SAT couldn't play longer.
00:50:03
Pete.
00:50:04
Look better care body e I think he says that himself.
00:50:06
Basically, he was just chilling in the off season.
00:50:08
He get into shape during the regular season.
00:50:11
Is right.
00:50:12
You do it on Come on, company time.
00:50:14
That's what used to say with with.
00:50:18
So the Lakers have gotten T Mac and Kobe on the same team shack, right? A man sag leans two years later, I think even 006 or seven.
00:50:31
They were about to get Kevin Garnett.
00:50:34
Yeah, there it is the only other now, now a team with Kobe T Mac and kg.
00:50:41
What have a name? Yeah, that would have been nasty.
00:50:45
But even if so, if the I believe kg recently said the Lakers reached out to him.
00:50:51
So he reached out to Kobe.
00:50:52
But Kobe didn't respond that he'd said he texting or something.
00:50:54
Kobe didn't and that's kind of why did he have often? But if k g goes the ghost the l A.
00:51:01
L a never gets Pao, I would imagine right but kg, But then if k g doesn't go to Boston.
00:51:06
Boston doesn't become our biggest rival again, right? So then if Katie goes to Elokobi, who stands in the way of Kobe and kg winning, maybe three rings? Nobody. Nobody.
00:51:17
Brian is looking the point.
00:51:19
Lebanon couldn't even get you.
00:51:23
Got He got there in 07 right? Yeah.
00:51:25
So the team Kobe kg wouldn't I would have had to beat that Spurs team, which was pretty good in 2007 right? But that Spurs team wouldn't have been able to match up with her athletic ability from all three of those guys.
00:51:42
Yeah, kg used to be a handful for Tim Duncan.
00:51:46
You know, you're the reason he would lose when he was in Minnesota to the Spurs because he didn't have enough debt while Yeah.
00:51:56
So if you get Kobe Cajun team back on the same team, Yeah, I mean, team back with not only not because of just the rings that could possibly win, but I think team arts career would have been better than he would have been a better player because of the mentally that called me and k G would have rubbed off on him.
00:52:15
Yeah, but I think even if they don't have t Mac.
00:52:17
If you just say Kobe and kg like you swap out power for kg and then I don't think there's anybody standing in the Lakers way that was you know what that would have been Cagey was like, right? I mean, he was a little bit older, but his skill set complimented Kobe.
00:52:32
And I think the personality fit matched them because there was over competitors that that really matched them really well.
00:52:39
And, um, yeah, like he said, Alex, like that.
00:52:43
Boston probably doesn't win that championship.
00:52:45
We on.
00:52:46
Um, that's already a win.
00:52:48
The fact that they don't win a championship, So that would have been nice, Man, that would have been nice if they had made it.
00:52:53
But ah, that's one of those what ifs men like.
00:52:57
If the Lakers marriage to get McGrady and and or if they apparently kg, I mean, I don't know shock.
00:53:03
Maybe shock never leaves.
00:53:04
Who knows? Maybe she's gonna leave because he's like, Oh, I got a good here.
00:53:08
Maybe shock doesn't need the Max contract.
00:53:09
He's like, all right, I'll take a little bit less money because I could just kind of chill a little bit on in the background shock.
00:53:15
Want to get paid because he felt like he was an EVP caliber player.
00:53:17
But, you know, you never know, man.
00:53:19
It's it's Ah, business is business when it comes to that sort of stuff.
00:53:23
So it always kind of works out that way.
00:53:26
Or even if Tim Duncan would have actually signed with Orlando.
00:53:30
Yeah, I remember that day. Granville, T.
00:53:33
Mac and Duncan went interviews.
00:53:35
I mean, I interviewed a witness who told him he couldn't who told him he could take his girlfriend on the plane.
00:53:39
Anybody knock rivers? Doctor.
00:53:41
There you go, you idiot.
00:53:44
Now, now, look with Dr Going a signature people living room Doctor.
00:53:52
No, no, no, we're not holding. Cool.
00:53:55
I just out of, you know, regular season games.
00:53:57
He doesn't even have to practice.
00:53:58
If he doesn't want you.
00:53:59
That's how much will make sure we take care of them Now.
00:54:02
Come on, man.
00:54:03
Like, imagine telling prime Tim Duncan No, you can't have your girlfriend flower frame.
00:54:06
It's just like prime Tim Duncan.
00:54:09
That's this.
00:54:10
Ridiculous and save is they.
00:54:12
Gentlemen, I appreciate you joining me for this top five conversation.
00:54:16
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00:54:24
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00:54:28
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00:54:30
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00:54:33
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00:54:40
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00:54:49
The deed is based on a program.
00:54:51
You can look at us on Twitter and Instagram at Lost endlessly.
00:54:56
How do you How do your kids feel broke? How do they feel now that they can't practice are a lot of practice was going out with Now we can't We can't do anything like this, man.
00:55:07
They know it's crazy.
00:55:09
I just have this conversation with another coach Yesterday, Man called his coach and he was just saying, uh, we're going to see a difference whenever whenever regular life resumes or even just sport, when when guys come back at every level, high school, college and pro.
00:55:28
This is when you're going to see who's serious right, right? Yeah, because there's so much, so much downtime.
00:55:36
He's like something like someone.
00:55:38
You guys are gonna come back out of shape, something.
00:55:40
Some of these guys that games are gonna fall off, some game going to rise.
00:55:44
I'll kids are hurting, man.
00:55:46
And this is one of our years for our program.
00:55:48
Well, we had a We had a lot of things the last week.
00:55:52
Little weak the last week like that, where they through Friday.
00:55:57
It was some big things happening for our program.
00:55:59
As far as the hard profile kids that we were possibly going to get.
00:56:06
There have been many.
00:56:07
A lot of these kids are either in your junior year, their senior year, which is really big for recruiting.
00:56:12
Yeah, and you gotta think man knows those two years and that's six months that you have this far is a circuit.
00:56:19
It changes a lot of families lives, and a lot of these kids live whether they get a scholarship or do they have to pay or doing? And I'm going to junior college.
00:56:28
Do they go to a prep, Steve? So I think for them to miss out on an opportunity is a $250 Scot, $250,000 scholarships and whatever it may be, it hurts, man.
00:56:39
So hopefully we can get back into it around May in July or something.
00:56:43
I don't know, but I know some of these kings I heard.
00:56:46
And I know some of these kids are enjoying plan.
00:56:49
Call the duty in Tokyo, right? Well, for all the kids, all the kids that are part of your program and all the kids are part of these other EU programs itself, I got I hope that, um they continue to find success because, uh, you know what? One of the things that I've started doing on Twitter Moore is trying to follow some of the summer.
00:57:10
I got guys like you who are helping like these high school kids, um, and helping these kids trying to get into a good college is and help them with their careers and stuff like that.
00:57:18
And I feel as though you guys are the coaches at this level are the high school coaches and trainers and whatnot.
00:57:27
You guys Aaron under appreciated element of basketball today because a lot of these kids that go and do the one and done stuff that, uh, for the kids that aren't one and done kids that, you know, maybe have to spend an extra years something like that, or four years before they get into the league.
00:57:42
They're polishing those fundamentals or like those like the personality and the character that they have is developed here in high school and stuff again.
00:57:51
I remember when I was asked I was good enough to play.
00:57:53
Do you want a nothing like that? But I remember my high school coach had a lot of impact on me in terms of discipline and stuff like that.
00:57:59
So I wish the success.
00:58:01
I wish success to your kids, um, as well as all the other kids, any of them that are watching this or any other coaches that maybe eventually watch this.
00:58:09
I hope everybody finds success because, um, helping helping kids is the best thing you could probably do.
00:58:16
Yeah, most definitely most happen because they're always next up.
00:58:20
Yeah, yeah, all those kids out there that's not ableto practice on their skills and get outside.
00:58:26
Um, this is a rough time. This is unprecedented.
00:58:30
I don't think any of us were ready for anything like this.
00:58:32
So, you know, do what you need to do to obviously stay safe.
00:58:36
Remained healthy.
00:58:37
Stay in shape as best you can. Doing different things.
00:58:40
Um, So when you do get back on the court, you know, you guys don't have to run and do a bunch of two a days.
00:58:45
Don't want you crazy stuff to get back up to speed.
00:58:47
And our high school team and I are saying anything.
00:58:50
We just did our little zone meeting yesterday.
00:58:54
We had a week.
00:58:55
The first week it happened.
00:58:57
Way had the boys doing 300 on the push ups, understated front of squads and go on, a matter to look, you came, right? Yeah, we get on the zoom yesterday.
00:59:05
They everybody joking around.
00:59:07
They gotta know where you just see kids start busting out push ups, like for real.
00:59:12
I'm like, good.
00:59:13
I'm like, they sitting there busting out push ups, and some of these guys are really doing send them on a push up straight that they couldn't do when the season started last year.
00:59:22
Wow.
00:59:23
And I'm like, I'm like, so that kind of stuff, like there you love to see a man, and I just I hope I hope everybody is doing that.
00:59:30
That's able that still stepping out on the court, I'll be really taking care of your body the best way you can.
00:59:36
And you just cherish the opportunity that's gonna come once once we get back to the swing of things.
00:59:41
Yeah, I agree with that man.
00:59:44
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00:59:46
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00:00:00
Welcome to the Laker Central podcast, where I discussed the most famous basketball franchise on the planet with the biggest, brightest up incoming voices in sports and culture.
00:00:08
Before I get into today's show, make sure you tell at least one other Laker fan about the Lakers Central podcast.
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We're building a community, one listener at a time.
00:00:18
So today is a treat for you guys because I'm joined by two of my favorite guest, Bene and Alan.
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What's going on? Guys was going on.
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That was going on.
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What is up? It is date 17 without no basketball, no MBA.
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And I think people are losing their minds right now.
00:00:36
They're going crazy.
00:00:37
I mean, do you have a positive affirmation to keep nose coming? O positive for me? No positive affirmation.
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The Lakers are still number one in the West.
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That is my positive affirmation.
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And, uh, you know, I think, Braun said that like it's him taking like this son and break is gonna mess up with his routine.
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I think he's lying.
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I think he's I think he's getting rest.
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I think everybody's getting arrested.
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I think he's gonna be ready to go and he's setting the expectations low for everybody's.
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We come in to start sweeping people out of the way.
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I think.
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I think Matt Bonner said it last week, man.
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He said This could possibly be one of the greatest playoffs all around because everybody's getting unexpected rescue, Army hip.
00:01:18
So whenever they do, come back, man, I hope they get a week or two to get a couple games under the building and let's get straight to it.
00:01:25
Yeah, I'm I'm open, you know? Obviously, health is the most important thing, but, uh, I think was it Mitchell Gobert Art of Mitchell got cleared by think Oh, bear Christian would, Ah, a couple other guys got, like, cleared of the Roto virus.
00:01:39
So that's good.
00:01:40
That's good news that they're they're getting cleared up stuff like that.
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So I'm excited.
00:01:46
So since we don't have any new Laker news to talk about, I figure us three the three of us would get together and just chat about, um, our individual top five all time MBA duos.
00:01:57
So you guys, you know, out there watching or listening, you may agree.
00:02:01
You may disagree.
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You meet may call us idiots, but they call it straight it 100% go to College City.
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It's sure this is This is gonna be our, um our top five.
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And so what we're going to do is start off with number five.
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Um, so that has to start with you been, eh? Who all the duo's out there all time? Who would you list as your fifth greatest MBA duo? My fifth greatest N B A duo is Shawn Kemp and Gaping Wound.
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I grew up Ah, in high school, I wore number 20 because of Gary Payton.
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Uh, I loved everything about him.
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Um, I mean, he was the big trash talker.
00:02:44
That was this, That that's that's not part of my personality.
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But I love the fact that, like he always played with, like, this tenacity and stuff I got and I feel like Kemp was like, he's probably at the first sky.
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But he was one of those guys that, like, even though he couldn't shoot the ball to great like he had so much athleticism, could get all up and down the court.
00:03:02
I love the way they played.
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I love the lives.
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I love the defense.
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I love the fact that they made it to the finals, and Peyton was just given as much effort as you possibly could on Jordan.
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Payton and Kemp are probably one of my most favorite duos tow watch, and I really, really love that Sonic.
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See, my love, the Lakers growing up.
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But if I had that second team, it was that Sonic Stephen Payne.
00:03:25
What do you think about that, Alan? My reaction was like that because I have in my top five.
00:03:31
So there we go see the act.
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I definitely agree, man.
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I'll remain Lee.
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I just remember the energy and the tenacity of a quicker way GP on the defensive end, in the way he was bodacious saying, and the way he talked to players, Man, he didn't really He didn't care.
00:03:47
He was the first person.
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I think like I don't care who you are in jail like I'm GP and this this and that.
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And then away, Shawn Kemp was just abused the way Hey like, that's the main thing that things are pretend being like so athletic, right? But people forgive.
00:04:04
He was having a really good ah vision of the floor, Jack Kemp, and he was demonstrative on the glass is a rebound, man.
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So he's my father. Wanted a problem.
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Top 5 to 7, most after letting players ever.
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And he used to play.
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He played in an era where I mean, you weren't allowed to talk, but in the end, a That kind of let you get away with it.
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So that was like the golden days. Yeah.
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There you go.
00:04:32
That was the gold days of Ah, the FDA where they let you talk stuff? I guess so.
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And I would.
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The other thing about GP was Ah, here's the Post Guys up used to post up other guards, and that's something you don't see any more in the n b A.
00:04:44
You don't see guards post up other guards and GP was doing it and ah, that's like a lost art.
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I feel like, uh, in the NBA today.
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I love to Gary Payton.
00:04:54
Is Shawn Camp They, um Gary Payton? I'm sorry.
00:04:57
Strong Kent was one of my favorite players of all time.
00:04:59
Like there's a generation, maybe two generations of kids that don't even know who the Rain man was.
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He was devastating fast.
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Yeah, he I mean the dunks.
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He was fearless.
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He could get up and down the court.
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I mean, he had that nice little mid range jumper.
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Hence the rain, man, when he was that he was a monster man, Um, that's a heck of a heck of a number five pick.
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There are no arguments out of me on that, Allen, who Jeff is as your number five.
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I wear the same page.
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I do.
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I did the right thing.
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What I told you to call about, so I didn't go with them as my number five I actually went with.
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And this might **** a few people, but I went with Larry Bird and Kevin McHale.
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Oh, I mean, you gotta put it somewhere.
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You can't just you don't like completely ago.
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We're trying to be a little objective here.
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Yeah, I would be completely honest.
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This is the Lakers, okay? Just joking.
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Not It may be that I almost didn't put him on there because I feel like you can't exclude Robert payers with them.
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They're more of a trio, but, um yeah, Bird.
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McHale me again.
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A generation doesn't know.
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Mikhail's footwork was devastating.
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He was great on the bill in the box.
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Larry bird and everybody knows who he is.
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He's one of the greatest players of all time.
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And they want, I think, what? Three rings together? I believe they went to I think he went to 44 finals, three rings.
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Um, I mean, so they were nasty.
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They were nasty.
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Look, if you gotta put a Celtics, if you gotta put any Celtics duo in the top five, putting him at the very bottom of the top five is the best choice.
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So I'm okay with that.
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Who'd you have is your fourth greatest all time Do overnight, fourth greatest all time duel.
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I'm trying to think off the top of my head like a pick up. I don't know.
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I don't know who I would put out forthe I know.
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Like what My top three probably are, but I don't know what number five you gotta You gotta four.
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Maybe I'll agree with you.
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You got much for stopping them alone.
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Okay? Okay.
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Yeah, it was Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know why I could put them out for I agree with that.
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They're I mean, there were there were a pretty crazy tandem and that pick and roll that they used to run, and Malone was like you said I kept.
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He was just like physical athletic just uses a beast running the floor and run that pig a rope or a jump shot.
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No.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Hello? Is that because he could shoot? That's what made the pick and rode out much more deadlier and a wider variety of options for Stockton on time with the shooter's space on the floor, of course.
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But when the gods said in the spring can pull up, he can step out and take 1920 feet, knocked down the jumper.
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And if you catch speaking, written back and go by him and I mean you and your stomach like I that's like the most uncalled, uh, offensive foul move.
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Like when the guy comes up when he goes up with both hands and a lift, I need just a little bit, just like Ward the guy away from from jump it.
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They don't call those anymore, I think.
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But, you know, sneaking him thinking about Robert or and I I Go ahead, go ahead.
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I remember Malone's to get into with Dennis Rodman all the time.
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Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah, and a load of crap.
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No, no, no.
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Bad. I started wrestling.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Call went on that, and I think who's the other guy was robbing? That's on the N w O against the WCW.
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So my guess And I remember, uh, that was the first time I had ever seen something like that.
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I've seen, like, you know, like basketball players show up in the ring like that.
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That's not called Malone.
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Walk up with his crew.
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I was like, Yo, this guy's built like a wrestler like there's no size difference between him and everybody else And I was just like you.
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I mean, I've never seen him in person live, but I was like, Can you imagine, like a guy that size playing basketball the way he was? It's great.
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He was one of the usual way, like those dual respect, like the risk best of both sides.
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So you looked like he was ready to like, ah, Olympic wrestle right out here.
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It's crazy line.
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If if Malone gets two rings, if he beats Jordan twice, is he the greatest powerful one of all time? Yeah, yeah, that's what has to be.
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He's got this glory accolades.
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Only thing he doesn't have is the chip.
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That's all it is.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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I think Stockton's probably because also, he never wore any rings.
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But he's probably He should be way up in the conversation when it comes to point guards, but he's probably a little bit lower just because he didn't get the ring.
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So now you get, like the Curry's magic, all that kind of moving up above them right now, you know? So I you know, it's funny.
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I was putting my list together, and I completely forgot about Stockton and Malone.
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And I think I think I forgot about them because they didn't win a ring.
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But they were nasty, you know? They were certainly nasty.
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Might number four is LeBron into Wayne way.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So I was hesitant to put them on there, too.
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I was hesitant because, you know, Bosch, it was more of a threesome, but I'll see what you're doing.
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Yeah, that's two best last to do of them.
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Had a better place.
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I had to.
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I if I was gonna put them in there because they were part of, you know, trios.
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Really? They were gonna be at the bottom so once once we get out of this, not so much, but yeah, I had to have them on there.
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Um, I thought about going in another direction, but yeah, that's why I had it for Yeah, I think that's I think that it's all like before we got out, I mentioned to you guys like I don't know what the time limit.
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If there's like a if there's, like a criteria or like a threshold where you got to be playing together for, like, at least five years or stuff like that to qualify for this, that's the only reason why I probably won't put that duo there.
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But I understand, folks. I would put it there.
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I mean, the four years of possible that Miami Heat team had it was like aside from the championships is like some of the most entertaining basketball you could probably watch.
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There's a throwing lobs and stuff to each other all day.
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Who do you have it? Number three.
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Well, Mir out.
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You wanna, uh So off my three of my top 32 of them, our Laker duos and the third Laker duel, which is my third rate is going to be magic and Kareem Ah, that I have as my duo.
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Ah, for my third best duo in the MBA.
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Um, the reason why I put them there is obviously there's another Laker duo that's very close to buy heart.
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That's going to be the hat ranked higher than them.
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But at the same time, you know magic coming in as a rookie, being an impact rookie, just like from the jump, Um, and doing the things that he did.
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And Karim just being the vet.
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You know, uh, being that steady anchor for that team when I was when I first got in, the basketball was probably right at the tail end of their career.
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Um, but I remember my grandfather spent a lot of time watching Lakers basketball just cause he thought it was super entertaining and he loved magic.
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It was just something about like the personality being in the forum.
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Ah, the crowd and just the experience of watching Lakers basketball and the fact that they were successful, man like, you know, they lost in the finals.
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They want in the finals.
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You got that? Like, uh, that joy and agony with that duo.
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So, uh, that's why I got I got magic and cream as my number three.
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Interesting.
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Interesting.
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That's that's low for a tandem.
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That 15 rings, right? No, I know, I know, but I'm trying to be objective here.
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If I if I wasn't being objective, that it would be a little bit different.
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But going.
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What do you think, Alan? Um, I like it.
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I understand what you standing are, uh, slightly agree, but I'm just really but my effort is cool.
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Oh, yeah? Well, I've got to see them play allotment for the majority of all of their career.
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Basically, Um, but, I mean, I don't think they completely reach their full potential, right? And, uh, three rings with ability that they had and the team that they have teams that they had around him, They probably could have one more day.
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They admitted that multiple times like they could have won 45 maybe six or seven, whether he in row or whether they have being in a eight or nine years.
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Um, So I have that thing about three.
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Uh, so I stick with that.
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I think I stayed with Kobe and Shaq at three.
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I wouldn't I wouldn't It was hard to do.
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Yeah, because the place when they came my mind duo Kobe is coming shagging all day, but I have to be real with myself on that one.
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So Kobe and Shaq it.
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So this might ****ing people up with my number.
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Three is Michael and Scottie.
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Wow.
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Now they can easily be full disclosure.
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They could easily be number one, obviously.
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But the reason why I have them at number three behind to Laker duos is because they say one more rings than the two Laker duos that I'll eventually get to.
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But those two Laker duos the four players, they're all widely considered top 52 top 10 players.
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Pippen is not considered a top 10 player, And so Michael all day.
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But if obviously their accomplishments stand on their own with six rings.
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But when I started looking at okay, let's look at them individually, you know, out of Jordan and Pippen.
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Pippen doesn't stack up to the other.
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The other.
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You know, the other guys on the other stars there.
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Yeah, that's the only reason I dropped him.
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Um, but I don't know.
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I'm sure that's gonna **** in people.
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What do you What do you think? Um you know, for what, 17 years of LeBron's career? Because he's the Laker.
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Now, all we've been hearing about is how terrible the Eastern Conference has been ever since he's been there.
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Does any of that does any of that lack of competition in the Eastern Conference? Does that apply to those Bulls teams in their championship runs? Mmm.
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What? The East wasn't bad, though? I mean, like, the Knicks were good back then.
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Who? Um who would they go through for those rings? I know they went to the Knicks.
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Uh, India, the place.
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My, my, um I mean, maybe shock.
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Bad baby shacks. Magic? Yep.
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I mean, even if they lost along Yeah.
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Yeah, I forgot about Yeah, I forgot about shacks.
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Magic.
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Well, even shot out the pinion shack.
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****, They were a great duel also.
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But even if the east was weak when Jordan was playing, he ran through everybody in the west.
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So it isn't even like LeBron dropped thio Golden State.
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But Jordan didn't lose anybody.
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Mmm.
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Interesting. Interesting.
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I'm curious.
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I'm curious that ah, to know if you know a lot of the conversation is always, you know, you made it to the finals, but you lost.
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That's obviously the biggest marker against the Bronco.
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He made it like nine times, the only one like, three times.
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But it's if you can't win in the finals.
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Considering your competition, Uh, making it to the Finals is a pretty big accomplishment, if you ask me.
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Ah, and I don't know anybody competitive basketball person that's gonna say, No, I don't want to play with the guy that goes to the You know that can get me to the finals every year.
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So it just kind of makes me wonder.
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Sometimes that did.
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Did the Eastern Conference just get worse after Jordan left? Or was Jordan just that much better than the Eastern Conference? And that's why he was going to I mean, I could see that I could see the argument that maybe the Eastern Conference wasn't as good as everybody says it was when Jordan was going, because Jordan was so much, so much higher level, so much better than I like.
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Just like you, said Jordan.
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When Scotty doesn't hold cake, too, he doesn't hold a candle to uh, Karim or Magic, Uh, or any of the other Kobe your shack, right? So was the difference between Scotty and Jordan so much that the even the arrest of the Eastern Conference couldn't match up way? Say, Bob Rog, it's funny.
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It's always watching an interview with John Salley the other day that he did on VLAD TV.
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And he said when the bad boy Pistons used to beat up on Jordan, he was like all that stopped when Scotty got there and fill that Scottie kind of have more of a bigger role, he says.
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Scotty was the one that we did like.
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We had to match it with Jordan.
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We had everything figured out with Mike, but one Scotty became Scotty.
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We couldn't stop both of them.
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So by Scotty's a top 20 top 25 player in my book.
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But he does he just not as great as some of these other guys.
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Let me ask you this, though.
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If Jordan doesn't retire, does he beat a came those two years that the Rockets want? I don't know, because the Rockets team those two years were a kid was he was humming man, but they were built in.
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They were built, like in opposite ways.
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Right, cause Ah, they did Houston run two bigs.
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But Samson playing with them two at the same time.
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Well, earlier that was earlier.
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Because what's hotel? Who was the big on that team? Or he was on that team or he was on that team.
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You know, your oldest norm.
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Was he on the team? I can't remember, but I feel like those their offenses were built in the opposite direction.
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So, like, Chicago had, you know, they had their bigs and stuff like that, but obviously they're more perimeter oriented, more willing, or he said, Yeah, Jordan Pippen or in the play.
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Whereas you had Ah, Houston setting up.
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You know, Hakeem and self.
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I gotta Nobody could guard came as it wasn't.
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You saw what he did the shack in the finals.
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So I would say I know.
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I don't know. It could be a toss up because you never know.
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It depends on who wins the match ups, right? It was gonna be it was gonna come down toe.
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George is gonna excite the shooting of all right.
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Jacqui render was Kennedy J with Mario Elie.
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You no matter.
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Jet Drexler.
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I'm accident.
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Balaban.
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Whatever.
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Okay, so then you go with our king exit.
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Now, whoever your center of your PowerBook Longley Look long.
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He was a center, right? And harsher Still. Yeah.
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Look long.
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We, uh, Mike.
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Yeah. That look lonely was there.
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Horace Grant was there, so he's gonna extend out, but excellent.
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Tool.
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Your rotational players right there, Right? Yep.
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Now, now it's gonna come down the road.
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So you gotta study, study, going against Marshal every Rob Roy Sand.
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So all these other guys hip who were consistent and floor spacers, Right? So maybe Scotty, maybe Scotty and his match of balancing our inventory.
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Maybe Scotty gets hit by a couple points.
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Couple rebounds, whatever it may be.
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But you got sample said Mario Elie.
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For sure, I'll do it.
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Ah, Ron Harper was the starting point guard, right? Yeah.
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Using his defensive use their defensive point guard or whatever. Like the floor leader.
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They were big on.
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So, Harper, what? 6666 Jordan was 66 Scotty was 67 I mean, they were big man on the planet. I did.
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I don't know what years they had CU coach also because Coach was on that roster to as well.
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So they had that whole, like they could match up with that with the spread out situation.
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But again, like it's hard to tell, because in the finals, we've always liked it.
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But, I mean, obviously in recent history, we haven't seen that.
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But back Prior Thio, the three point crazy stuff I got there that we're in now, like people used to go into their big If you had a dominant big, you would win because you always get, like, his easy close shots at the rim and stuff like that.
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So I don't know that it could go either way.
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I said explain.
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Yeah, I'm the only other thing I could say is Chicago probably had the better coach, so I don't know if I don't know if you're gonna be ableto outcoached.
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Chicago And I was the ataman was coaching the Rockets back then, uh, let me get out of championship.
00:20:44
Oh, yeah, you're Well, it was Rudy Tomjanovich.
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He coached the Lakers for like a week.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like a part of it. Yeah.
00:20:53
Yes, I'm gonna miss you guys.
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Right.
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So, Vinnie, who'd you who's who's your third greatest do? Ah.
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So third, I had, uh so second I picked painting camp fourth.
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I went with I was cool with Malone and Stockton.
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Ah, third.
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I have Oh, I think that I told you right Third was Ah, um Magic and Magic and Kareem So seconds Oh, second I have I have Jordan and Pippen at second Ah, my, uh, on my list of NBA's greatest duos and the reason why Ah, I don't have them first.
00:21:35
I wouldn't say Second, it's like one b.
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I wouldn't say It's like, uh, there there a second.
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The reason why I have them as as one B is because they have the greatest coach of all time.
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That was coaching them.
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Um, secondly, I don't know if the Eastern Conference was as good as a Western conference back that because I don't know how that can just all of a sudden, you know, just disappear on our conference just becomes less competitive because Jordan retired.
00:22:01
I mean, obviously, because Jordan retires.
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But I think Jordan was just so much better than everybody else in that conference that you just weren't gonna be in the playoffs unless you had, like, 30 files and you were just following him every single time you touched the ball.
00:22:13
Um and I mean, that's really the only reason why I have them at as, like, one b r or two.
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So I've got Jordan and Pippen as to their dominant.
00:22:23
When they got to the finals, there were great.
00:22:25
But at the same time, they were playing some team.
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No, they play the jazz twice.
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And I was like, All right, You know, once you beat a team like the first time, you're like, all right, we see him again in the finals, and there's no changes in the roster.
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Is basically the same roster, Probably you.
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But I already know how you gonna match up who's gonna dominate.
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And the jazz kept is a competitive Siri's.
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But like, I don't know if they really had any chance against Jordan stuff I got, um but I've got them at number two, and I'm sure there's a lot of basketball purists.
00:22:53
They're not going to like that.
00:22:56
Who's your number to Alan, huh? I gotta want anyone be okay.
00:23:03
I kind of altered it just now.
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Um, I'm gonna put magic and Kareem second.
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Okay, Um, I had him at the top, but I only know about thing historically from watching highlights.
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Agent is read, right.
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I can't really judge down.
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So I'm I have magic.
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And Kareem at two.
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They were very dominant, you know.
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You can call them dominant.
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They did lose to the Celtics as well.
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But when we get to this point right here, where this stuff is, who's the best? Who's been second back being lost? He he didn't know what I mean.
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That's why I dropped them down the tools.
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So I drive Magic and Kareem down there.
00:23:48
Look, yeah, I'm not changing back.
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That's what I keep thinking.
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I want to sleep, eat, and I'm like me, But I'm gonna be magic and Kareem.
00:23:58
Yeah, I've got them at two also, um, and they could He said to me they could be number one also, but I've got him at number two.
00:24:06
Um, they were a devastating duo, obviously, I think, even though as great as they were, Karim ended up, you know, he was a bit older, certainly as they got it one along the years.
00:24:16
So a 15 rings.
00:24:19
But Karim did win one with Oscar Robinson.
00:24:21
Also, I believe, but, you know, five rings is a lot.
00:24:26
They dominated the air today, but they did lose to the Celtics.
00:24:29
Who won, I think 33 or four doing that same stretch.
00:24:32
But you have got him at number two.
00:24:34
So then I, um, carries to see Rene who you have a number one s o Number one is Ah, the duel That's near and dear.
00:24:42
Closest to my heart the team, the duo that I feel probably did have role players as good as, ah, Magic and Kareem as Scotty and, um, Scotty and, uh, Jordan.
00:24:56
It's Kobe and Shaq.
00:24:58
The two shack was the most dominant person I have, like the most physically dominant player I have ever seen in his position.
00:25:07
What? And and you know, he was skilled.
00:25:09
He was very skilled.
00:25:10
And I think a lot of people think that shock you, so just don't have all the time.
00:25:14
They don't realize you had that, like, that shot put little floater that used to take you right out of the middle of the Yeah, take out of the middle of the key.
00:25:22
He sound that drop that drop step Spin used to have that move where he used to clear out dudes with his elbow and stuff like guy and, you know, like bloody and those guys and Sabonis.
00:25:31
And then they used all complain about it, and I mean, I don't I don't think there's anything more about Kobe and his legacy and his tenacity and competitiveness as a player that needs to be said that hasn't been said and, like, you know, over the course of his career.
00:25:45
But the reason why I have them Number one is because the Lakers, even during their three peat run, we're not favored to win.
00:25:56
Even some of those, like some of those rounds going into the finals when they got to the finals and they're playing like the Nets are there, play like the the Pacers or something.
00:26:04
They may have been favored, but they weren't the favorite against Portland.
00:26:07
They weren't the favorite against the Kings.
00:26:09
They weren't the favorite against like the Spurs.
00:26:12
At times they were consistently counted out before they could actually make it to the finals against the East.
00:26:19
And that's you know, this is that argument that the East wasn't as good as the West.
00:26:23
It was because the Lakers were making it to the finals, and we're just like wiping out teams in the Eastern Conference finals.
00:26:29
So the reason why I have them Number one is because the role players were like, not that they were terrible, but their role players were like Fischer.
00:26:38
Fischer is a great point car, but it's not like he was like lighting it up.
00:26:40
He's not like the greatest fun carnival time.
00:26:43
Um, like we had Rick Fox playing, uh, Kobe one of the oh, this is what a shock.
00:26:49
But, you know, he wanted with the reason one of the art tests the role players weren't as, like, seasoned or as great as a role players on the other side that we brought back for us, Grant and I feel like for one run, uh, I think they're the role players.
00:27:05
They started their rose man and 1/3 player all what you never did.
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You just never know the third.
00:27:11
I was gonna be one just going right.
00:27:15
Let her go.
00:27:16
Good.
00:27:17
So you got Glen Rice one year, right? You bring humanity that here's one year we get the ring to then brought it.
00:27:23
Yet You're the first guy they brought in first, though.
00:27:26
When Phil Ken was Ron Harper was running every up, and he was that he was a Jared Dudley type guy.
00:27:32
But he was getting more minutes on a Ford.
00:27:35
If he only brought Ron Harper and because of him, already known it since then, because of the way he could relate to the players, I wouldn't be able to.
00:27:44
All right, So you got Rick Fox.
00:27:45
Robert Warning.
00:27:46
Derek's patient, Ron Harper.
00:27:48
Horseman Gun rights.
00:27:50
Yeah, right.
00:27:51
So the role players were some guys, man.
00:27:55
Yeah, it's somebody just time fresh. Ah, yup.
00:27:59
Price.
00:28:00
I had that left corner lot that he used to love to throw to shock every time.
00:28:04
J R.
00:28:05
Rider, I think the second year at Threepio Jr So I was gonna say that The reason why I've got them number one, um, is we hear it today with this Lakers team right now.
00:28:17
Now we got, like, all these role players, But you know, when LeBron goes to the bench itself, I got team falls apart.
00:28:22
If it's just an anti Davis, you know the role players won't stack up itself.
00:28:25
I got and I feel like, um and there are other teams that have more talent on their roster.
00:28:31
You got guys that are individually, better, talented, more top to buy, more talented.
00:28:36
And I feel like that Lakers team with that duo.
00:28:39
Shaq and Kobe used to go through that every single time.
00:28:42
Whether it be Popovich and the and the Spurs are for the Blazers team, that was Super Stack.
00:28:47
They had, like Jermaine O'Neal coming off the bench or something like that for that team. Young.
00:28:51
See Wallace? Yeah, Wallace was on that team, And so, like all these different teams that the Lakers weren't favorite against And, you know, we have had incredible moments come out of their their championship runs and stuff like that stuff.
00:29:04
That's the reason why I'm Kobe.
00:29:05
And you know, the other reason why is I've watched all 20 years of Kobe Bryant.
00:29:10
I watched all the years a Shack play for the Lakers, so for me, that's the closest, and I caught a certain section.
00:29:16
That's why, for the folks that are asking for their like raising their eyebrows, I put Scotty, Scotty and um, Jordan a little bit lower.
00:29:23
I didn't watch Scotty and Jordan as much as I watched Kobe and Shaq.
00:29:27
It's the same thing for Kareem and Magic.
00:29:28
Like I don't I don't penalize guys for losing in the finals as much because getting to the finals is that's like the second best thing that could possibly happen.
00:29:38
But I'm more attached to that duel because I got Chest C all I got.
00:29:43
I got to sit in front of my team E t v and like scream when or he shot that three off that bloody tip and stuff, I guess.
00:29:51
So.
00:29:52
You know, that's That's the reason why I have the number one.
00:29:54
They were always counted out, and even after winning back to back championships, man, they were like, Oh, No.
00:30:00
Three Pete's not gonna happen.
00:30:02
Look at this other team in the West.
00:30:03
They got way more talent, top to bottom, and so that that's that's Ah, that's why I got them at the top.
00:30:10
Alan, would you have at the top of your list? Ah, scarring and J.
00:30:15
Okay, to be honest, man, I know I'll probably **** people off.
00:30:20
But Jordan, I'm Jordan was never my favorite player who's your favorite player.
00:30:26
My favorite players called by.
00:30:28
Here you go, George.
00:30:29
Like from 96.
00:30:32
So when he retired, That's why I watch every night.
00:30:37
Yep.
00:30:38
Like yes, I understood how How good or how great.
00:30:41
I don't wanna.
00:30:42
Under understate I'd know how great Jordan was, right? I saw the things he did, but at the same time, I wasn't seeing all 82 of his games.
00:30:51
Um, you know what I mean? What I was seeing, you know, flannels.
00:30:54
And I've seen him go against competing, and I would see him go against Utah like, Okay, I understand it, But I just couldn't relate as much to him as I did, Kobe.
00:31:05
But I still understand that thing.
00:31:09
Never lost in the finals and honor.
00:31:12
And I also understand how much his attitude and mentality rode off on every single guy on the team.
00:31:23
And and people underestimate study pigment.
00:31:26
And at one point early in the nineties, when they did the top 50 greatest players, he was one of those dogs.
00:31:32
Yep. Right.
00:31:33
And scott, and being in the sense that he could do business in that without Jordan, we could have some big numbers.
00:31:40
Yes, they lost, but he put up some big numbers all season.
00:31:44
Guinea goes to Portland as an older guy and does the things he did the same pig in Houston.
00:31:52
So when people say Scotty isn't no, he didn't have a starter.
00:31:56
But when you look at his resume, all defense of all in BA and all stars, he was one of those guys.
00:32:03
He was him and Larry Johnson used to Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm on my way and we ran into We ran into Scotty, right when we had to be Portland in Siri's and Portland.
00:32:16
Portland was one of those teams, man, they had, like Derek Anderson next autumn. I was on that team.
00:32:22
Yeah, the way he was one of the coat.
00:32:28
I think they had that Patterson.
00:32:30
Yeah, there we go.
00:32:32
The Kobe stop.
00:32:33
Let Scotty was a bad man.
00:32:36
And look, let me just say this.
00:32:38
Let me be really clear.
00:32:40
I'll take Scotty over Kawai Hlynur, and that's good.
00:32:43
And that's not That's not me hating quiet because he didn't sound the Lakers like look at their historical numbers.
00:32:48
I mean, Scotty was defensively was the monster, you know, if he was playing in today's MBA.
00:32:54
He probably he would easily be a Max player.
00:32:57
Yummy that he could shoot.
00:32:59
He could drive.
00:33:00
He could. He could spread that.
00:33:01
He could do whatever he wanted on the floor, man.
00:33:02
So, yeah, Scotty was a bad man.
00:33:05
You guys think of you guys.
00:33:08
I've heard people say before that LeBron's like a more gifted version of Scotty like, um, obviously, when LeBron wants to get a gauge on the defense of the offensive that he could do that.
00:33:18
But I've heard that LeBron is.
00:33:21
I've heard people say that and I think I feel like Scott.
00:33:23
He says something like that a long time ago.
00:33:25
And I know LeBron like when they talk about him, it goes from like Magic LeBron passes like magic or LeBron as this clutch gene like, you know, Jordan, Um and then I heard people say he's like Scotty, I don't know, man, but when I think about it, when I when I look at how Scotty used to play and just kind of the his physical capacity like the athleticism, Steffy asked.
00:33:47
I mean, I could tell you I think Braun is more athletic than probably.
00:33:50
Scotty was but all the skill set stuff, the ball, handling the passing on that stuff.
00:33:57
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:58
So it's, uh I could see it.
00:34:02
I think I think Scottie came in more ready than Korg.
00:34:08
Oh, yeah, Um, my mother's fun.
00:34:10
She did he ever single digits.
00:34:12
But right after that, he ran off, like, 67 straight year.
00:34:15
The double digit, What? A few days.
00:34:17
And I feel like this in there.
00:34:20
And I feel like the two years that Jordan took a break.
00:34:22
Scotty was like, he was tremendous.
00:34:24
He was, He was.
00:34:25
He was second in N v P voting.
00:34:27
I believe one of those years we're going the ****.
00:34:31
Yeah, Scotty was nasty.
00:34:33
I think he doesn't get the credit that he deserves, you know, for I think people kind of look over him, but he was a bad man.
00:34:38
Do so the top of my list.
00:34:42
Shaq and Kobe.
00:34:43
I mean, there they are.
00:34:45
I'm old enough to remember Mike, Michael and Scottie in their primes.
00:34:49
You know, I came on the scene kind of the tail end of magic and Kareem, but I grew up on Shaq and Kobe like they they are it for me.
00:34:57
Um, I've never seen a player as dominant a shack was.
00:35:01
I mean, obviously, Wilt Chamberlain is probably his best historical come.
00:35:05
But I didn't get to see will, um, and Kobe is the closest thing that I've ever seen The Michael Jordan.
00:35:11
So these two dudes, I do think it's fair to say that they didn't have as great of a supporting cast that say, You know, the Showtime Lakers or the debt nineties Bulls because the league also expanded.
00:35:23
So like when when the Showtime ERA Lakers were running running off on winning championships.
00:35:28
The league only had 23 teams by the time Shaq and Kobe came on the scene, the league at 29 teams.
00:35:33
So you know, the Shaq Kobe Lakers didn't have the chance to have a James worthy on their team.
00:35:39
That exactly? Yeah, you know, or even a Byron Scott who I know most Lakers young Laker fans hates a coach, but as a player, Byron Scott was a **** good player, you know? I mean, so those Laker teams out the Celtics teams also they were stacked because the league wasn't that spread out.
00:35:54
So in their primes, like all of these duos.
00:36:00
I take Shaq and Kobe against anybody.
00:36:03
Yeah, I don't think I don't think even though we were winning championships, it almost felt like we were underdogs all the time because of the way everybody was trying to promote the other teams over the Lakers.
00:36:14
Um, I think I think the reason the other reason why is because at their position, I actually put it this way, you know, like the FDA is a copycat league, you know, Uh, and right now, everybody says that because of all the three point shooting out and, you know, even probably do that because of all the skill set, the skill set.
00:36:32
A guy like LeBron, as people are trying to draft like these forwards and self I got were like, these multi multi purpose for words that could pass that could shoot. That could score.
00:36:41
Um, And then, you know, now, with curry and the prevalence of shooting in the d.
00:36:46
A, they're looking for, like, these guards that could shoot like 40% for three.
00:36:50
I have, like, quick triggers, could get around screens and stuff like that.
00:36:54
But there was a long stretch of basketball.
00:36:56
I would say, like from 95 2 maybe prob.
00:36:59
Probably like 2010 where everybody was trying to find that next Kobe Bryant.
00:37:05
So that's why you get the guys like McGrady.
00:37:08
That's why you got a bathroom break.
00:37:10
Okay? But you have, like guys drafting shooting guards like the O.
00:37:13
J Mayo's and stuff again.
00:37:14
Everybody was trying to find that shooting guard that could fill that That, like the role of the volume shooting guard that Kobe Bryant was.
00:37:22
And for a long time when shack was on the scene, everybody was drafting centers to try and stop chef everything.
00:37:30
So, ah, when Yao Ming came on the scene, there was supposed to be a new big man to come in, like run the MBA and shacks that no, we're gonna get him out of the way to the bonus was supposed to be the sweet passing.
00:37:41
You know, Big man in the fan has a body.
00:37:44
Rick Smits for Indiana was supposed to be the guy who could pull up to Do you have a poster tagger, Utah, who was supposed to Body Shack, too? Um, I'm trying to think of all these different centers that people used to have, and people were trying to draft guys like the Clippers after Michael A candy.
00:38:01
It's not.
00:38:02
It's not that he could stop Shockley.
00:38:04
People were making decisions based on stopping Shaq and Kobe.
00:38:07
And so I feel like those two for a long time set the trends for how the draft used to work for a lot of teams.
00:38:15
And, um, I mean, we don't know.
00:38:17
I mean, people won't know now that the LeBron Curry generation of fans, young kids, they won't know it.
00:38:22
But Shaq and Kobe were their duo, and their their abilities cause ripples in the N B A.
00:38:29
That maybe folks don't realize why I got going.
00:38:34
Alan, I want to say also with the lack of death that the Lakers had on those rosters.
00:38:40
One thing that I knew one thing I felt was a reason they were underdogs is because the media used to pour so much energy in the The Lakers did not fall apart this year because she can't get along.
00:38:54
Yeah, they're gonna fall a partition because this kissing that Oh, Kobe said That's the shocking practice because he came in on the shaping, changing blah, blah blah, blah, blah like they're talking about training camp in March and April Steel.
00:39:06
Like trying to make something happen here.
00:39:09
I think it was never an eight.
00:39:11
They end up saying it was never that serious.
00:39:13
You know what I mean? Sometimes they did it for the media and they were on the same page, the hold on time.
00:39:20
So I think that was one reason why they were also underdogs.
00:39:23
Come.
00:39:24
Everybody thought they didn't have a commodity.
00:39:26
Yeah, I agree.
00:39:28
No, I agree.
00:39:30
And this is a bit off topic, but I'm gonna tell you guys this and I'm curious to hear your opinions.
00:39:34
I was talking to a sportswriter of the other day.
00:39:36
I'm not gonna mention his name because he didn't.
00:39:37
He said he didn't want Lakers Nation coming after him.
00:39:40
Nobody Dhoni does were the biggest.
00:39:42
Where Eddie A Twitter is Lakers Twitter, that anybody who's watching this or seizures afterwards like there's no like confusion about that like Lakers are the biggest fan base on Twitter.
00:39:53
So, like oh, it takes it takes is what, like a three minute a three minute segment of Rondeau playing like garbage for us to get him trending on Twitter.
00:40:01
Go home.
00:40:02
So come on now.
00:40:10
What is it? A first? What do you say? Oh, you there? Yeah.
00:40:18
Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. You froze up for a second. Go it.
00:40:20
Oh, no, I'm good way.
00:40:23
Sports writer question lets you question my bet.
00:40:26
It gets on my end.
00:40:27
No, listen, So he said, he said, For for stretch Tracy McGrady was ever every bit as good as Kobe Bryant.
00:40:37
And I said, Um, offensively, I think McGrady could do pretty much what Kobe could do offensively, But defensively is way.
00:40:45
Who will be completely separated? Separate himself, Not to mention you look at their primes.
00:40:50
McGrady's peak lasted seven years, while Kobe was still in his prime for about 14 seasons up until he tore his Achilles.
00:40:57
So I said, the longevity, Ellen, this writer said You can't hold McGrady's injuries against them, and I said no.
00:41:03
But if he was only at his peak for seven years and Kobe was at his peak for 14 you mean you can't throw that out the window either? So you know, somebody once told me the best abilities availability and Kobe was available more times than not and again Defensively, Kobe was the best offense.
00:41:19
A player in the best defensive player in the league for stretch.
00:41:22
Yeah, I would say Team Market glad going out.
00:41:28
He was.
00:41:29
He was 68 1st of all, Long Wings, man.
00:41:32
And he was overly athletic.
00:41:36
And then once his jump shot started getting better and his handle started getting tighter.
00:41:41
I think for two years, two years in Orlando.
00:41:45
He was a guy.
00:41:46
He was that guy in Orlando about two years and and I can go with two years there.
00:41:50
When him and Kobe were necking maker you could somebody have team back up there but in Kobe and Vice versa.
00:41:56
And then his first year in his first year? Hey, suppose healthy year in Houston.
00:42:01
Wait.
00:42:02
We bumped into him in the final in the playoffs, So I like that I like to make.
00:42:09
So I don't really have one.
00:42:10
I love Kobe, but I'm about team.
00:42:14
But he was definitely, definitely Ah, hard matchup.
00:42:19
They did.
00:42:21
Um, I think I could I think you could say I agree with you, Alan.
00:42:26
That like or a story Alex that in regards to, like, maybe the offensive ability like the production and stuff like that was there between T.
00:42:34
Mac and um Kobe? But I know there's a thing on Twitter where people want to talk about bags and stuff I got when it comes to like offensive skill sets.
00:42:43
Um, do you think T.
00:42:44
Mac had the same skill set that Kobe did? Because I feel like maybe he was more of a jump shooter that I mean, Cody was the jump shooter, too.
00:42:51
But I feel like Kobe had a much more mature handle and a much more mature shot selection, even though you know he had Sergei's.
00:43:01
Ray should really that.
00:43:02
Ah, but, uh, I feel like because Kobe's game was more mature to think didn t. Mac's team.
00:43:11
Marco was like kind of scoring on, like, raw ability, like he just he had so much that, like you said, he was years longer.
00:43:16
You had athleticism, you could shoot.
00:43:18
So he was relying on that, and that's That could be why his body broke down kind of overtime and stuff like that because of his or her reliance on athleticism.
00:43:27
But I think I think team at his game is closer to Katie's, like He reminds me a lot of like a Kevin Durant.
00:43:34
He's a little bit smaller, but, like team that could pull up pretty much anywhere.
00:43:39
He was super athletic, but, like I him and Kobe's games overlap.
00:43:44
But then there are some differences in their games as well does if you swap if you swap, if you swap Tracy and Kobe for the for the years, that shack was in L.
00:43:54
A Do they want us the same number of championships? No, I don't think so.
00:44:00
What do you think? Our yes or no? I don't think we went.
00:44:06
Please stay.
00:44:08
Okay? I don't know.
00:44:09
Maybe when what I want, I just even I could see them winning the Philadelphia Siri's with t mat.
00:44:15
Oh, yeah.
00:44:16
You think going now? As I say, You think you think, um, they get past some of those Western Conference teams with T Mac instead of Kobe? It was when I see a different side of the team back that we never solved.
00:44:33
Yeah, Kobe mentality Think pushed them in a lot of those games.
00:44:39
Yeah, that Portland team was So whatever staff they were stacked.
00:44:43
They were rough.
00:44:44
Physical man body wells. Ruben Patterson.
00:44:48
Scottie Pippen? Yeah.
00:44:50
Wait on bodies, actually.
00:44:52
Yeah.
00:44:53
And they'll go fight if they had to fight to get you out of game. They're going.
00:44:56
Yeah, like so.
00:44:57
We're just gonna have to see something different from feedback that we never saw because we only saw him on acting Televised games, You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:45:05
Yeah, I say I say they be Philly Now.
00:45:10
They will be Really, um, he might have struggled versus Pacers team.
00:45:14
They were really physical as well.
00:45:17
And I think we could probably beat the Nets with Mac two.
00:45:21
Yeah.
00:45:22
Yeah, I can. I can see that.
00:45:25
Um, I've had I've had people say, You know, if they had t Mac, it would they would have won three straight.
00:45:30
I Yeah, I don't either.
00:45:33
I think they get one, and then you have to see what happens from there.
00:45:37
Um, you know, But so we were able to throw Kobe A I can t mag art.
00:45:44
Good team at Gardez are.
00:45:46
No, no, not back back then, eh? I was given Kobe the business.
00:45:53
Exactly.
00:45:54
Yeah, I feel like I feel like we probably I mean, we probably win a championship, depending on what we match up with that.
00:46:02
How it goes, Um, I think the stuff that we said sort of, uh along this, like rankings.
00:46:09
Like about how Kobe's um, like his character, we mentioned about Jordan like his character and his personality kind of was infectious.
00:46:16
He called other people accountable.
00:46:18
And I think like that sort of leadership is something that, um is like one of those intangible things that you can't put like any sort of, um, cornered quantification on.
00:46:28
I'll say the other thing, this is this, too.
00:46:31
Um, that triangle office is not an ****ytics friendly offense at all.
00:46:34
It doesn't emphasize taking like the best Sean available.
00:46:38
It's that offenses, you know, swing the ball around.
00:46:42
But it's really find the mismatch like, where is it that mismatches? It's the same action every time, except it may just be a different result.
00:46:49
It's either a kick out of past a dropoff pass or to lay up or maybe a pull up jumper.
00:46:54
So I feel like this is something that I know a lot of people, a lot of the big Kobe, felt like the knowledgeable Cobain fans have said this.
00:47:02
You can't compare Kobe's offense and his era and his shooting percentages, Um, in that offense to like what goes on today, Today, everybody trying to optimize for space and skill.
00:47:14
And you've got you have video and data and tapes and stuff I got that triangle offense is now what that is.
00:47:19
And it was more about matchups and finding the right play, Um, and, you know, read and react up kind of offense.
00:47:26
So, um, I don't know A T Mac would have been successful in that offense because he probably would have gone the same kind of volume, maybe, or maybe have the same kind of like offensive reads, made the same, reads that Kobe did that time so that he would have gotten probably 15 shots a game, similar to what Glen Rice got that first season he got there and and Del Harris.
00:47:48
So it's funny you guys probably know this.
00:47:50
I don't know if all the fans do, but, like Don't Care said that Jerry West tried to convince Jerry Buss to trade for team back in 1997 2 pair him with Shaq and Kobe, but Jerry Buster in one of team, you know so it's not happening.
00:48:03
But don't imagine a young Kobe and a young team Mac with a prime shack.
00:48:08
That would have been we got We got to see, we didn't have shocked.
00:48:11
But we got to see events, and t Mac was like backing them up basically.
00:48:15
And I was I remember when he got traded, I was just like, Why did these two guys not play together at the same time? All the time And I feel like that was like a huge missed opportunity for the Raptors when it happened.
00:48:26
But, uh oh, my God, you put T Mac next.
00:48:29
Thio.
00:48:30
How many more years does he add to Shaq and Kobe, right? Just just by being there.
00:48:33
How many more years of the ads in his career? Yeah, certainly.
00:48:36
Yeah, seriously? Yeah.
00:48:38
Yeah.
00:48:39
I mean, you're talking those three.
00:48:41
I mean, they they probably win what, five.
00:48:45
He's I mean, I don't want to easily, but there they should.
00:48:47
If you add team back on that Lakers thing, they probably beat Detroit that year, right? And then maybe shocked, huh? Way be Detroit? We'd be Detroit of caramel on your Yeah, I completely I agree with that statement.
00:49:02
Oh, my God. My bad.
00:49:04
My bad for throwing that in there.
00:49:05
So you're saying we probably read it with you, right? So you beat the trade with team back.
00:49:10
That gives us four.
00:49:11
And then maybe shack doesn't get traded to Miami.
00:49:14
And so s so then because Kobe went goes on to win two more repel.
00:49:18
So I mean, they might This is gonna sound ridiculous.
00:49:22
They might win like seven rings there, I think.
00:49:27
Yeah, I think they could have one.
00:49:28
They could have at least one that if Shaq doesn't leave the Miami, they probably still have a good chance of winning.
00:49:33
Ah, more championships.
00:49:35
Like if he had just stayed, like, two extra years or something like that before you said it bouncing around the league like he did Shock.
00:49:40
Still had some.
00:49:41
Maybe after he left Lakers pilot maybe 23 years, like he had to maybe work his figure out his work load a little bit, But you probably still could have been very competitive.
00:49:50
So that first year in Miami, he was runner up to M v p to Steve Nash.
00:49:55
So he still headed in him? Yeah.
00:49:57
You know, these for two more seasons.
00:49:59
I will say this I go ahead on SAT couldn't play longer.
00:50:03
Pete.
00:50:04
Look better care body e I think he says that himself.
00:50:06
Basically, he was just chilling in the off season.
00:50:08
He get into shape during the regular season.
00:50:11
Is right.
00:50:12
You do it on Come on, company time.
00:50:14
That's what used to say with with.
00:50:18
So the Lakers have gotten T Mac and Kobe on the same team shack, right? A man sag leans two years later, I think even 006 or seven.
00:50:31
They were about to get Kevin Garnett.
00:50:34
Yeah, there it is the only other now, now a team with Kobe T Mac and kg.
00:50:41
What have a name? Yeah, that would have been nasty.
00:50:45
But even if so, if the I believe kg recently said the Lakers reached out to him.
00:50:51
So he reached out to Kobe.
00:50:52
But Kobe didn't respond that he'd said he texting or something.
00:50:54
Kobe didn't and that's kind of why did he have often? But if k g goes the ghost the l A.
00:51:01
L a never gets Pao, I would imagine right but kg, But then if k g doesn't go to Boston.
00:51:06
Boston doesn't become our biggest rival again, right? So then if Katie goes to Elokobi, who stands in the way of Kobe and kg winning, maybe three rings? Nobody. Nobody.
00:51:17
Brian is looking the point.
00:51:19
Lebanon couldn't even get you.
00:51:23
Got He got there in 07 right? Yeah.
00:51:25
So the team Kobe kg wouldn't I would have had to beat that Spurs team, which was pretty good in 2007 right? But that Spurs team wouldn't have been able to match up with her athletic ability from all three of those guys.
00:51:42
Yeah, kg used to be a handful for Tim Duncan.
00:51:46
You know, you're the reason he would lose when he was in Minnesota to the Spurs because he didn't have enough debt while Yeah.
00:51:56
So if you get Kobe Cajun team back on the same team, Yeah, I mean, team back with not only not because of just the rings that could possibly win, but I think team arts career would have been better than he would have been a better player because of the mentally that called me and k G would have rubbed off on him.
00:52:15
Yeah, but I think even if they don't have t Mac.
00:52:17
If you just say Kobe and kg like you swap out power for kg and then I don't think there's anybody standing in the Lakers way that was you know what that would have been Cagey was like, right? I mean, he was a little bit older, but his skill set complimented Kobe.
00:52:32
And I think the personality fit matched them because there was over competitors that that really matched them really well.
00:52:39
And, um, yeah, like he said, Alex, like that.
00:52:43
Boston probably doesn't win that championship.
00:52:45
We on.
00:52:46
Um, that's already a win.
00:52:48
The fact that they don't win a championship, So that would have been nice, Man, that would have been nice if they had made it.
00:52:53
But ah, that's one of those what ifs men like.
00:52:57
If the Lakers marriage to get McGrady and and or if they apparently kg, I mean, I don't know shock.
00:53:03
Maybe shock never leaves.
00:53:04
Who knows? Maybe she's gonna leave because he's like, Oh, I got a good here.
00:53:08
Maybe shock doesn't need the Max contract.
00:53:09
He's like, all right, I'll take a little bit less money because I could just kind of chill a little bit on in the background shock.
00:53:15
Want to get paid because he felt like he was an EVP caliber player.
00:53:17
But, you know, you never know, man.
00:53:19
It's it's Ah, business is business when it comes to that sort of stuff.
00:53:23
So it always kind of works out that way.
00:53:26
Or even if Tim Duncan would have actually signed with Orlando.
00:53:30
Yeah, I remember that day. Granville, T.
00:53:33
Mac and Duncan went interviews.
00:53:35
I mean, I interviewed a witness who told him he couldn't who told him he could take his girlfriend on the plane.
00:53:39
Anybody knock rivers? Doctor.
00:53:41
There you go, you idiot.
00:53:44
Now, now, look with Dr Going a signature people living room Doctor.
00:53:52
No, no, no, we're not holding. Cool.
00:53:55
I just out of, you know, regular season games.
00:53:57
He doesn't even have to practice.
00:53:58
If he doesn't want you.
00:53:59
That's how much will make sure we take care of them Now.
00:54:02
Come on, man.
00:54:03
Like, imagine telling prime Tim Duncan No, you can't have your girlfriend flower frame.
00:54:06
It's just like prime Tim Duncan.
00:54:09
That's this.
00:54:10
Ridiculous and save is they.
00:54:12
Gentlemen, I appreciate you joining me for this top five conversation.
00:54:16
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00:54:22
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00:54:24
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00:54:28
That's pretty much the only place on that.
00:54:30
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00:54:33
Um A l A M m i t c h e l l The letter p the number three.
00:54:40
Um honestly, Graham is at underscored victory training and then ah Mei Yue program Los Angeles elite.
00:54:49
The deed is based on a program.
00:54:51
You can look at us on Twitter and Instagram at Lost endlessly.
00:54:56
How do you How do your kids feel broke? How do they feel now that they can't practice are a lot of practice was going out with Now we can't We can't do anything like this, man.
00:55:07
They know it's crazy.
00:55:09
I just have this conversation with another coach Yesterday, Man called his coach and he was just saying, uh, we're going to see a difference whenever whenever regular life resumes or even just sport, when when guys come back at every level, high school, college and pro.
00:55:28
This is when you're going to see who's serious right, right? Yeah, because there's so much, so much downtime.
00:55:36
He's like something like someone.
00:55:38
You guys are gonna come back out of shape, something.
00:55:40
Some of these guys that games are gonna fall off, some game going to rise.
00:55:44
I'll kids are hurting, man.
00:55:46
And this is one of our years for our program.
00:55:48
Well, we had a We had a lot of things the last week.
00:55:52
Little weak the last week like that, where they through Friday.
00:55:57
It was some big things happening for our program.
00:55:59
As far as the hard profile kids that we were possibly going to get.
00:56:06
There have been many.
00:56:07
A lot of these kids are either in your junior year, their senior year, which is really big for recruiting.
00:56:12
Yeah, and you gotta think man knows those two years and that's six months that you have this far is a circuit.
00:56:19
It changes a lot of families lives, and a lot of these kids live whether they get a scholarship or do they have to pay or doing? And I'm going to junior college.
00:56:28
Do they go to a prep, Steve? So I think for them to miss out on an opportunity is a $250 Scot, $250,000 scholarships and whatever it may be, it hurts, man.
00:56:39
So hopefully we can get back into it around May in July or something.
00:56:43
I don't know, but I know some of these kings I heard.
00:56:46
And I know some of these kids are enjoying plan.
00:56:49
Call the duty in Tokyo, right? Well, for all the kids, all the kids that are part of your program and all the kids are part of these other EU programs itself, I got I hope that, um they continue to find success because, uh, you know what? One of the things that I've started doing on Twitter Moore is trying to follow some of the summer.
00:57:10
I got guys like you who are helping like these high school kids, um, and helping these kids trying to get into a good college is and help them with their careers and stuff like that.
00:57:18
And I feel as though you guys are the coaches at this level are the high school coaches and trainers and whatnot.
00:57:27
You guys Aaron under appreciated element of basketball today because a lot of these kids that go and do the one and done stuff that, uh, for the kids that aren't one and done kids that, you know, maybe have to spend an extra years something like that, or four years before they get into the league.
00:57:42
They're polishing those fundamentals or like those like the personality and the character that they have is developed here in high school and stuff again.
00:57:51
I remember when I was asked I was good enough to play.
00:57:53
Do you want a nothing like that? But I remember my high school coach had a lot of impact on me in terms of discipline and stuff like that.
00:57:59
So I wish the success.
00:58:01
I wish success to your kids, um, as well as all the other kids, any of them that are watching this or any other coaches that maybe eventually watch this.
00:58:09
I hope everybody finds success because, um, helping helping kids is the best thing you could probably do.
00:58:16
Yeah, most definitely most happen because they're always next up.
00:58:20
Yeah, yeah, all those kids out there that's not ableto practice on their skills and get outside.
00:58:26
Um, this is a rough time. This is unprecedented.
00:58:30
I don't think any of us were ready for anything like this.
00:58:32
So, you know, do what you need to do to obviously stay safe.
00:58:36
Remained healthy.
00:58:37
Stay in shape as best you can. Doing different things.
00:58:40
Um, So when you do get back on the court, you know, you guys don't have to run and do a bunch of two a days.
00:58:45
Don't want you crazy stuff to get back up to speed.
00:58:47
And our high school team and I are saying anything.
00:58:50
We just did our little zone meeting yesterday.
00:58:54
We had a week.
00:58:55
The first week it happened.
00:58:57
Way had the boys doing 300 on the push ups, understated front of squads and go on, a matter to look, you came, right? Yeah, we get on the zoom yesterday.
00:59:05
They everybody joking around.
00:59:07
They gotta know where you just see kids start busting out push ups, like for real.
00:59:12
I'm like, good.
00:59:13
I'm like, they sitting there busting out push ups, and some of these guys are really doing send them on a push up straight that they couldn't do when the season started last year.
00:59:22
Wow.
00:59:23
And I'm like, I'm like, so that kind of stuff, like there you love to see a man, and I just I hope I hope everybody is doing that.
00:59:30
That's able that still stepping out on the court, I'll be really taking care of your body the best way you can.
00:59:36
And you just cherish the opportunity that's gonna come once once we get back to the swing of things.
00:59:41
Yeah, I agree with that man.
00:59:44
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00:59:46
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