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I am joined by a team of guys from overtime heroics.
They dropped the new N BA mock draft article, so we want to get into that.
I know that the end is suspended at the moment, and maybe some of you are wondering why are we talking about a mock Dr, particularly in a Laker show? But, um, we forecast, and we look forward and so let's see what these guys came up with.
First up, I want to welcome Derek Murray.
Um, he's from Bab Kat hoops and pro basketball of combine.
What's up, Derek? How's it going? What's up Alex.
Appreciate you having me, man.
No problem, man.
Also wanna welcome even from Prospect podcast The War Room Radio and Blaze radio.
What's up? Even another.
Much appreciate you having me on no doubt, man.
And Blake Hairston from pro basketball combine and the draft class.
What's up, Lake? How's it going, Alex? Mrs.
B here, eh? No doubt, man.
So you guys came up with this? My craft and I actually like it.
Um, it's not crazy, at least in my opinion.
But let's just jump right into this thing, man.
You guys came up with, um, Golden State.
Obviously number one right now. And James Weissman.
So which one of you guys wanna want to take that? I'll take this one.
Wiseman makes the most sense in our opinion because we think gold states going to go the route of taking a center or at least a power forward.
They've got the have the guards.
They have the wing players now, especially with trading for Wiggins.
So Wiseman makes sense at seven foot 1 £237 he's still a young kid.
Playing room to grow.
Can be a room runner, can protect the room if you need him to, we'll need to work on his footwork, agility and some decision making.
But he has all the tools and everything they can't teach.
So in the long run, we think the Wiseman has a center.
Is the long term fit here in Gold State? Interesting.
Um, I think that Golden State, for one, I think they could end up trade in this pic because, you know, from my perspective, like when the Lakers had you, they brought LeBron in.
But the head whose mother had Alonso, Brandon Ingram.
It's hard to have young guys and play for a championship with your vets at the same time.
Your superstar vets at that, so I'd be curious to see if they actually keep this.
What about you, Ethan or Blake? What do you guys think? Yeah, I agree with you That I'm not sure this is a pink they keep.
Um since they traded for Andrew Wiggins, I've got almost subconsciously believe that they're gonna package Wiggins package that first round pick that they're going to.
Abby's gonna be top three for a potential not maybe superstar, but star out there.
Especially since they are in wind now about with Draymond green clay tops and Steph Curry is still on the team.
Albert, they were to keep the pick.
This doesn't make a lot of sense, Wiseman at one for them.
Um, I like guys like wise, and for them, it would be topping.
Condom from USC all makes sense for the Warriors.
It's kind of stretch five stretch for auctions wise and doesn't really have the stretch five in his game yet.
But that is something he could develop.
So, yeah, honestly, with, uh, you know, their roster construction, this kind of pick makes the most sense for them at once.
What do you think, Blake? He had a kind of bounce off that, um I definitely agree.
I think it makes the most sense.
In our last mock draft, I had this first pick for the worries and also took James Wiseman just a great roster fit.
I will say just to play little Devil's Advocate.
Something that the Warriors could think about is who's going to be a part of their core after the clay and Steph, Um, prime, if you want to say so, who's gonna be a part of that? is going to be Andrew Wiggins.
Ah, relatively young guy.
A guy like James Wiseman is well, who's gonna take them forward so they could trade the pig? Definitely.
Maybe you think about keeping it.
Who knows? So So let's let's let's go past Golden State because I think next year they're gonna be really good all over again.
And if they keep Weisman good for them, if they trade him, then they're gonna mess around and get back in All Star for for a pick like that.
So, um, we can move past them.
What do you guys think about Cleveland? Right.
So I had this pick here at number two, and it's kind of a weird spot for Cleveland being, honestly, they're just kind of.
They have a weird roster construction, a lot of kind of just middling role players.
Just traded for Andre Drummond at the trade deadline.
Haven't been able to move out Kevin Love in his contract yet and then have the young backcourt of Colin *** and various Garland two guards they've picked in back to back drafts.
I'm going with the not the best player available on my board, but probably the best player player available on their board and Anthony EDS.
Edwards here, um, you talk about a guy who kind of has some star potential Tumen based off this shotmaking alone.
Um, and I think they could honestly roll out a lineup of ***ton, Garland and Anthony Edwards as kind of a three guard set.
Um, and it kind of makes the most sense for them here, especially with the players on the board.
I think you're looking at this pig.
Has either Denny of Asia or Anthony Edwards for the Cavaliers here.
What do you think, Blake? Yeah, I think here.
I mean, it's really and the Edwards is gonna be that next guy that you're gonna expect to go off the board.
Um, I think Cleveland should take him.
You know, maybe they take him at number two and trade down a little bit to go for a guy like Dave of Visa.
I do like him as a fit with Cleveland personally.
Uh, but either way, I think Anthony Edwards, at number two of Jason's James Wiseman goes number one.
Makes a lot of sense.
Derek, what do you think Cleveland's goal is? I mean, are they building for the future, or are they trying to just bring in veterans? You know, they couldn't move love.
They brought in drumming.
But what are they doing there? So I agree with the selection based upon, you know, a lot of points that Ethan made when he made this call.
Um, being in Oklahoma City, I see a three guard lineup.
Do some real work on some teams across the league right now, and our three guard lineup is awesome.
So let's say Cleveland wants to go that route.
Anthony can be a ball dominant score.
He can also play off the ball.
Come a lot of catching shoot threes.
Shot selection isn't the greatest, but when you talk about a one foot two foot deeper as an athlete prototypical 65 I know what he has to 25 maybe makes total sense if they don't want to go the three guard lineup.
Maybe bring him in is a little extra fire under the guys like Garland section, and you can kind of get the best of each of these guys that you selected over the past two or three years and when it's time to decide who you want to pay, you have more options.
So I think a three guard lineup or kind of forcing them to compete with each other.
And then the front office sits back and says, Well, let's see who we want to keep It will move on from the others.
I think both of them can be the right answer if that's what they want to do.
OK, let's look at Minnesota because they acquired D'Angelo.
Russell, um, at the trade deadline someone I'm obviously familiar with.
I loved him in L.
I wish we would not have traded him.
They've got Karl Anthony towns, but now you have them looking at onica.
And I can't pronounce his last name.
Someone. You guys gonna have to help me out.
But they're looking at him, Um, what are they building for but who want to take a stab at this? You're good.
I I had the number three selection here with Minnesota, and it's a Nico Congo.
Say his last name.
I think he's probably out of the draft.
We did my favorite first round fit for a guy. An organization.
If you look at the Minnesota roster moving for, you've got deal.
Oh, you got Oh, Cokie and Culver and Malik Beasley.
Now a lot of wing depth, lot of guard depths.
Guys who need the ball in their hands and where they have really excelled this season is when towns moves to the outside.
The use of just clogged the paint when he and Wiggins kind of get in each other's way.
But this year they're letting towns handle the ball, tell let him hit, picking pop threes instead of pick and roll, and O'Connell gives you that presence in the middle of the floor, 69 to 40 fives with the list of that before this season.
I mean hips like a defensive back use You just said Absolute stud of an athlete.
And I think, as a power forward center, if you want to call you, no talent gets stretched for almost that, how you use them.
Sometimes I think roster wise because of the youth they have it.
It's, um it's a great fit for them.
What do you think? Even yeah, I completely agree with Derek.
I mean, this is probably the best like natural fit in the first round.
Minnesota for years has been wanting a fit of, ah, solid stretch not even stretch for, but just a competent for alongside Karl Anthony towns.
I mean, gone through Taj Gibson going through all these other guys.
Um, I think the elites who was there at one point, uh, and now you have while Kong Group coming in.
And I by him growing up in Southern California, playing against him a lot in travel ball When I was younger, he attended, You know, Chino Hills High School, same high school as a metal ball.
The ball brothers stuff like that.
He was a shooter in high school.
He could stretch the floor at that level.
His form doesn't look horrible right now.
Um, you know, he's able to knock down the midrange shot.
He didn't really take many threes this year, which is something I was kind of confused by USC.
But on my board, at least he has my number number one overall prospect on, but I think he fits really, really well here in Minnesota, just his overall skill set rebounds.
He has great defensive versatility and switch on the guards on the perimeter and hold his own.
Ah, great shot blocker.
I believe almost three blocks a game this year can finish inside 60%.
True shooting percentage.
He's just a beast all over the board, and I think Minnesota gets a really great value here at three. Selecting it.
What do you think, Blake? Yeah, love this pic.
Kind of what you guys mentioned Little Derek mentioned with how Karl Anthony Towns plays kind of, ah, stretch big.
I mean, I don't even know if we want to say center and power forward anymore.
So a stretch big having that inside presence like a Congo.
I think it's just a great ah, great addition to that core.
I think, you know, adding him will really, um, improved their ceiling going forward.
I think so, too.
And I wonder, um, you know how quickly they can kind of turn the ship around in Minnesota.
They haven't been very good recently.
I mean, they haven't really good, maybe in the last decade or so since Garnett was in his prime there.
But, um, I'm looking forward to seeing Russell played better.
Ah, he played well in Brooklyn.
I don't think he got much of a fair shake in L.
A. Or in Golden state.
So I want to see him and cat excel in Minnesota, their friends so that that's half the battle.
One Janko I have my eyes on those is Atlanta.
Um, you guys have met an OBE topping going to Atlanta.
Trey Young is obviously a stud.
But what do you guys think about Toby? I think you're looking at probably the best lob target in the draft.
I mean, just in exceptional athlete again.
He's 69 kind of like a Congress, but he's very, very bouncy.
Ah, little bit older than a lot of prospects, at least at the top of this draft.
Um, so some teams may knock him for that a little bit, but he's mature.
He's mature in the way he plays basketball in his decision making.
There's not really a whole lot to worry about at this point.
How you pair him with John Collins.
I'm not necessarily sure.
And they just traded for Capella.
I mean, I've got so many centers of power forwards there now, but a guy like him because Atlanta has a lot of guards that are young on the roster already, you might as well take another athlete who could be a lot of target for any of those ball handlers on.
And that's why I think it's a bit.
What do you think? Even Yeah, I mean, Atlantis kind of in a spot again.
Kind of similar to Cleveland, Not the exact same situation where they just traded for a center at the deadline in clean capella, like Derek said, um, and obviously have the Guard play of Herder and Trey Young already as they're kind of young backcourt that they're forming.
Um, but I'll be topping.
You know, the biggest knock on him is his draft age, I believe, is gonna be around 22 by the time that the draft starts.
Maybe he might be 23 if we see the draft next year because of the Corona virus going around.
But, you know, he's like he's probably one of the most MBA ready prospects in this draft.
He's gonna come in and contribute absolutely right away.
Um, I'm a really big fan of his offensive game.
I have worries about him on defense a little bit, but offensively, he's going to give you, um, scoring on all three levels.
Like Carrick said, he's gonna be a pretty fun log target.
Especially alongside of high leaper like John Collins and in Atlanta.
And with a pastor like Trey Young, that's a recipe for some success.
So I like I like the fifth year.
What do you think, Blake? Yeah.
Then I want to bounce it off from him because, you know, I think whoever gets overtopping in this draft is going to get a guy that's gonna help them a lot right away.
Um, and I think Atlanta is a team that wants to take those next steps in the next couple of years and having a guy like over the top.
And, you know, regardless of what ends up happening with the John Collins situation as well, I think having Toby Top and there will be a huge benefit to their team going forward.
So, yeah, I like to speak a lot.
So what I'm gonna do before we jump to Detroit's pick, I'm gonna welcome Alex Brown to the stream.
Alek, how's it going, man? It's coming. Oh, man.
I'm just grinding out here so we're jump.
We're jumping into Detroit *** and you guys are killing and Hayes.
Ah, Alex, You won't take a stab at that.
Well, uh, Killian AIDS is number one on my board, currently, uh, by my favorite prospect in the draft of the huge fans of Detroit fit.
I think they need an initiator.
I think he can end up taking that lead ball handle role, even expanding on that being potentially a second option score.
I think he has one of highest floors and kind of, ah, core to fringe star upside.
So I'm I'm very high on him. Personally.
I think you'd be a great fit in Detroit to revive that.
You know, a team.
What do you think they're I'm actually gonna throw it over to Blake are our resident piston expert up there.
He made that pig lives up in the area.
I'm going over to him.
So I think, uh, this is actually has been kind of the popular pick amongst ah, Pistons, Twitter shots of pistons Twitter out there.
There's a pistons.
Twitter there is I know is the national dish is Twitter is wild.
I had no I I obviously had about Lakers toe.
Really? Yeah, yeah.
There's, ah, core following out there.
And, uh So I did this one for them.
Um, but no, really.
I think Killian Hayes is a great fit just on a sense of the pistons.
Need a, uh, creator initiator on the offensive end.
Um, and right now, they don't have that when it comes to their their youth on the team.
I think right now they do have a group of good young role players, but they're gonna want someone who's gonna have Ah, no, Like Alex said kind of, ah, potential star level quality about them.
So, um, I really like that fit as a player.
I think he's gonna be able to develop Maur on the, uh the creation role for his own scoring ability in the NBA's gonna take a little bit of time there, but him just being a pastor, high level pass from the pick and roll is gonna be a huge benefit, especially if they're able to retain a guy like Christian would for the Detroit Pistons.
So I like that kind of combination also, in part of context, them drafting sacred and boy last year from France as well, they're pretty close.
So I think that's gonna add to the cohesion of the team going forward So, um, I really enjoyed finding Killian Hayes right up next on that pick.
Anybody else won't take a stab at Detroit? I'll comment.
Not necessarily from a piston specific avenue, but like Alex, he was, um, Hayes is the number one player on my board, so I think he would be an absolute steal in Detroit.
Like to see, honestly, a couple lefty's up their handling the ball with him and couldn't are next to each other.
I think that would make for a pretty cool dynamic, you know, interesting point.
Like I didn't even realize that Sekou and Hayes are actually boys.
So it was kind of cool when that actually makes this pick make way more sense than even we did draft.
No, Derek, You had Lamell a ball going to New York at number six.
I have a friend of mine named Brandon.
He's a huge Knicks fan, also one of the co host of the off the record podcast.
He's not sold on the metal wall.
Um, you want to kind of explain what your thought processes around him going to the next Brandon, I got news for you, man.
If he is available at the mics pick.
It does not matter if it is the number one or number 10.
I'm telling you, they're gonna pay.
You're gonna take the mellow ball, so get get that jersey ordered.
Get it ahead of time.
He's the most Knicks pick in the world. He's gonna fit.
He is used to the limelight.
And I mean that in a positive sense.
You're not gonna throw him in any situation where he can't handle the media.
He can't handle the pressure.
I think he's going to be just fine.
He has gotten knocked, I believe, unfairly, due to the dynamics of the way his dad has handled things in the past or his brothers may have handled things.
I do not think that's fair to low mellow.
You know, I've read a couple of things that said, he just wants to focus on basketball, and I respect that very much of him.
But you're looking at a 66 Some sites give him six foot seven point guard with eyes in the back of his head.
It doesn't have to look at you to make the right past.
Probably the best distributor in this draft and Brendan, if you get available, you're going to be happy.
And that's why I made the pick here.
It was a no brainer for me.
I'm actually a really big fan of the mill. A ball.
Um, I'm a big fan, Alonso.
I'm happy he's having success down there in New Orleans.
But I agree with you, Derek.
I think Low Mellow is the most Knicks pick of probably all Nick's picks that I've seen the last five or six years.
I mean, regardless of what what spot they have, you know, there, pick lands, they're gonna take the mellow.
He's already a superstar.
He's an Internet phenomenon.
Um, I think I think he's benefited from one.
Some of the mistakes that you know his brothers have made and and he's already been in the limelight.
To your point, I think he can play.
I've seen some sights listed at 68 I don't think he's 68 I think that's a bit aggressive, but he is the Knicks player that I can see them taking.
Yeah, I think you know, you compare it to think of the business world.
You know, your first follower effect you something to start a business, and it'll be mildly successful, even moderately.
But you can learn some things, and then you can kind of follow behind them and do it even better.
And that's not to knock Alonso it all.
But the way that the media handled him in his game early, I think we'll mellow being ableto watch.
This will only help him.
So I don't think New York will scare him at all.
You know, even if he landed another major market, I don't think he'll be.
And, I mean, if you're next ownership, I just can't even imagine the amount of jerseys you're gonna sell.
Not only in New York, but around the world.
I mean, l a mellow all Knicks jersey would just fly off the shelves everywhere.
So from a money decision to make sense as well, no, I agree.
Do you guys think, um, to kind of jump a little bit further into the mellow? Do you think that levar has kind of learned from his mistakes and how he handled Lonzo in L. A.
If Lem Ella was to make it to New York in that media Yeah, I think Levar is already kind of started to take a step back.
Um, and you know, that might be not his fault. That might.
That might be just in getting kicked off things, but he's He's starting to take a step back, which is good.
It's helped laws, those career a lot.
I think Mullins is one of the better perimeter defenders in the n B A now, which is obviously really good for him.
But a guy like the mellow bowl, um, you know, he's publicly said, is Derek said, I want to focus on basketball.
Um, I've talked to Alex about this.
I don't know if he Alex said he doesn't know if he can maximize the superstar, potentially, as I do think that limo ball in in terms of every player in this draft, has the most superstar potential you're looking at again.
67 guard with, um, unreal vision, unruly ball handling ability that has shown flashes of shooting the outside shot 25% 3.
Not gonna get it done.
But you are looking at just kind of just this guy on paper that could be a superstar if he is to maximize it and That's what the Knicks need the next have a lot of middle and guys.
They have a lot of kind of butting players.
Mitchell Robinson, R J.
I don't know if any other player, any other point guard, especially in this class.
Last in New York.
I don't know if a guy like killing AIDS from France was gonna be 19 years old.
Lance last in New York, already coming in with the kind of fragmented Tina, you know, the whole the whole kind of just, you know, stereotype on, um, you know, another guard from France, another international guard from France, I think, Well, Noble handles it well, like Derek said, I think he last in New York.
I think he does give them the potential to kind of find the superstar here, especially at pick six.
That's that's it.
Boston value for them.
So you guys have him at six, though? Does he fall because of love? Are Bo? Why don't any of you guys haven't met one? Or do some of you guys haven't one of your personal mock drafts at one so personally for me? I do not have them.
Hyah! Busy since said.
I don't really think that he's the type of guy that maximizes potential.
But if he does end up a six for the Knicks, I think that's the best chance.
I think that's where he's gonna have the most touches, the most chances to develop, run an offense.
I mean, you're talking about a guy with elite playmaking and a lot of other red flags across the rest of his offensive game and defensive game.
But, yeah, it is really his defensive effort and lack of efficiency is my main issue with them not being a number one.
Just comparing his profile to some of the other top guards in the class has a little more weaknesses.
You want more pulled? Polarizing, I guess, would be the right word.
Um, and you know, how much do you leverage that elite playmaking versus all the other red flags? That's kind of that's kind of why I'm a little lower on him, because I I'm a little bit more skeptical of the rest of the game.
Nobody's going tonight.
I agree with you on the defense.
I also worry about his lower body.
You can see on film is lower bodies.
Wherever he lands, the medical staff is gonna have to get his body right.
And honestly, he made If you know, if you guys are saying if he can channel that, so be better than sixes.
But this draft is so unique at the top because you don't have 12 or three guys.
That's just like last year.
Nobody knew in some capacity that Zion, Brandt and R. J.
We're going 123 just You just didn't know the order.
This year, you've got, like, 10 guys who could go in the top three, so it's gonna be fit.
So I take Minnesota with Oh, Kong grew and top and goes to Atlanta more fit based and not necessarily.
Hey, we don't believe in love, mellow ball.
So if guys like him are gonna slip, I think it'll because of roster construction and need and less about how good they actually can be.
No, I think that's a really good pulling.
Yeah, for this draft class, because almost every top prospect has at least one major weakness.
You know, it's quite the most most interesting top of the draft.
I've seen in recent years.
I think that's why you know, there's so much, uh, you know, volatility with who people have at the top.
But, you know, I told you Agree? Yeah.
I really think depending on the draft order is gonna, you know, play a major factor in where the mellow ball falls.
And if anything, you know, it'll be Romelo ball getting drafted early, and then the team, you know, New York at six.
Trading form or something like that.
So, um, I think I'm going to New York at six.
Is ideal fit and I don't see the fit with up top five teams at that point.
Well, no matter what we know, he's gonna fill up the seats in the garden if he ends up there.
So and James Dolan is about money.
So, um, I wanted to welcome to bias Bash to the show.
What's up, Tobias? How's it going, man? So, guys, how are you? Good, man, Your audio is a little off, but we're going to keep chugging along.
So, Alex, you had Danny going to Chicago, right? Yeah.
I'm ah, big Chicago fam and I'm a big dent in Sam's pick myself kind of a match made in heaven for me, the number two on my board.
I think he has the elite glue guy potential.
That kind of fit can do a bit of everything, especially play make.
He is learning to play off the ball.
His shooting is getting better.
And which was a major question, um, kind of in his predraft process.
Um, I think he fills that need on the wing that the bullet had been sorely, sorely lacking, even out of shape.
Otto Porter coming back was clearly our best wing.
Hutchison has, you know, he has his problems.
But I think, and a guy that can do a bit of everything, you know him or Halliburton's kind of the best fit for the Bulls because we don't need any more core scores alongside Libyan and market in.
I think that's a dream come true for the Bulls.
If they get at Thea at seven.
What if some of you guys think about Chicago? Well, you're gonna argue that of DEA can fit on a hot of the teams in this this top 10 just cause you can do a little bit of everything, so I I really like the fit with Chicago here, falling right into that weighing that could do plenty of things on the court just being assistance to Zach Lavine, Laurie Marketing.
Um, Kobe White guys like that, Um, you would think Chicago is really trying to make their strides going forward.
We're hoping they're gonna have a bigger year this year. Obviously.
Alex, I know you have some things to say about that, but, um, I think many of you would be perfect going forward for them just to add to that core of young guys that they have.
I mean, and Nick and the kind of thing with him is like, you think European white guy.
Okay, he's gonna be able to absolutely just knock down threes from outside.
Um, and that's really not his game at all.
Especially you Look at the DEA is kind of like Alex said a glue guy player, a guy who plays really good team defense.
From what I've seen eyes able to stay in front of his man, um, and kind of plays with ah, hi.
Motor to him like he really gets fired up.
Especially just watching him in the U 18 games.
that he played, Um, you know, he gets he gets fired up after he's going, Bye, guys, after he's, you know, creating contact at the rim and finishing and stuff like that.
He's fun to watch, Um, and again, he's a player that is going to come in.
And the biggest thing with him that he must develop is becoming that knocked down outside three point shooter.
Um, and I really think he will be able to do so.
You know, I think he shot 33% this year.
Um, and you know, that's not something that's horrible, but that's something that can't be built on.
But at seven, this is just great value for Chicago.
A team that doesn't need another star or another at least score, but just kind of another starter.
Yeah, I couldn't have said it better.
Um, I think that, you know, especially with the recent ofall improvements that he's made.
You know, he had to play off the ball for Maccabi, and, uh, he started.
I mean, he really started slow, and then he got really hot for the end of the year, you know, feeling into that ofall roll one.
I think that really showed his potential off the ball.
And, you know, like you were saying, I love his motor love his energy.
It does kind of wax and wane depending on how he plays sometimes.
But I think fans are gonna love that high energy, Um, and defensively, like you're saying, I team defense is off.
He has some of the best interior defense for a guy that's not that strong, in my opinion.
And he can play on the perimeter offensively.
So I think his versatility, it's unreal.
It's probably the best at the top of the draft in my season.
Now, we were talking about poku before we actually started to live stream.
But Alex, tell us why you have poker going to Charlotte at number eight.
It even had him going at eight.
We're gonna We're gonna let Ethan answer this.
Well, I did have poker going to the Charlotte Hornets a number eight, and this is kind of one where you know, you look at the hornets, you look at that roster PJ Washington last year.
Uh, just scientist A rosier devante Graham has been excellent for them this year.
They've never really had a good center, Cody Zeller mean has been the center of their proud of how long they give Bismack Biyombo max contract.
Um, it is what it is, but you're looking at, you know, poker here as a 6 10 listed on In Stat as a shooting guard.
Um e I mean, that's unheard of like this is a guy with probably the best two way potential in this draft, just in terms of, I mean, he he has excellent athleticism.
You can knock down the outside shot.
You can create his own shot.
He's a solid rim protector, and he's, you know, he's versatile indifference.
He's a 6 10 shooting guard and then, like that's almost unheard of probably was the best player I think on Olympiacos B, which is a team in the Greek second league this year.
Andi, I enjoyed watching in play.
I've enjoyed everything I've seen from him, and when you're looking at Charlotte and kind of just their roster construction, I think a guy like Poku fits well with them just because they do kind of need to weigh guys, They Seymour roster pieces that do have really high potential.
A guy like Pocho probably would be their their highest potential player on their roster as soon as he's drafted on.
And that's why I feel the fit is really is actually really nice here at number eight.
Poker is one of those guys who, after the selection, you know, you could sit there and give 10 reasons of why this pick never should have been made.
You can also immediately go to 10 reasons of why getting him an eight is an absolute steal.
It's we have no clue. It's gonna happen.
He has the movement, lateral movement and perimeter game that Porzingis wants tohave.
And it is interesting.
You basically plays like a two guard at six foot 10 some.
They're the team website listing that seven foot.
Maybe that's a little biased.
Trying to get him over here a little quicker.
I don't know, but you know, Ethan is right.
They can put it on the floor, will block a shot at the rim and the ticket coast to coast himself, and you just don't see that.
And he's so young that whether you stash him when you put him in the Geely, I mean, you put him on a to a deal immediately.
Maybe he could speed up for a while.
But this this is very, very high ceiling because of the skill.
Said he has his eyes.
Let me ask you, do you trust the Buck Bobcats as a Freudian slip? The Hornets? Do you trust the Hornets to develop a player like Poku? I'm, I mean in their recent memory and they really developed anybody particularly well.
They had drafted Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist, You know it is what it is.
You know, they bring in this man beyond, But he didn't really develop.
Zelena didn't really develop.
You know, Bridges has shown up side some of the guys more recently, but Devante Graham they pretty much got lucky with him.
He was kind of a wild card.
Any panned out Very well.
I've ruined what they're saying.
He is definitely a wild card, but I think he could fans will give him a chance.
I think they should be happy with the pig.
I know it's not gonna be like most fans that they haven't heard of him before, so, you know, you might get some booze on draft mind, but if you give him a chance.
Coming and see what he could bring.
He could be a like they're set.
They're extent of prison gets top guy.
You could bring some of exciting to their franchise because all of us know they need it.
The thing you were gonna add, one thing in really quick about Tokyo, I thought was really, really interesting.
And I was watching him.
I've never seen a kid his size at his age be ableto run, pick and roll.
And if you could see him play, make out a pick and roll I manipulated at that size.
I mean, that's a dream, Lee.
Extremely rare skill set that time.
Something poor single has.
That's not something you see in any real big guys in the n b A at all.
It's part of the reason you left it in the guard.
And I think, you know, like to buy a similar yes, by the highest variants upside, you know, as faras distance between the floor and feeling, which is why he could end up being the best player in the draft.
Er, you know, kind of a bus.
It just depends on how you develop them.
I mean, I think he's worth taking a shot at the lottery.
It's just so interesting that Ethan, do you think the success of Luca is? You know, what kind of fuel teams like Charlotte to maybe take a look at Poku right? And like not even Luca but even going back to poor Zynga's? Because I know that's a lot of the That's a lot of, you know, comparisons of poker is too poor Zynga's.
I don't know how accurate that is.
I think he's way better.
He moves a lot better.
You moved way more fluidly than forcing this does, um, and know The biggest thing with him is that he's still so young, like he's 18 years old.
Uh, he's probably under £200.
I think they have him listed at 2 10 but he does not look like it at all.
Um, but I mean, he's he's if he's able to kind of broke up and not even not even just like fully broke up, but kind of develop a frame.
You're looking at a special player, probably, you know, 23 years, you're gonna start to really notice the value this pig paying off.
Um and I do think, you know, going back to your point about international teams are gonna be a little bit more open.
Our start teams are gonna be open to the drafting international players because of the success.
Love guys like Luca of guys like forcing Jason one, not And, you know, it makes sense here again at Charlotte.
Um, you know, he's gonna have a place where the fan base isn't gonna be booing him after every single time out.
Because, you know, we don't even know how many Hornets fans are out there.
To be honest, they're not gonna be booing him at every single time out.
They're gonna let him play by gonna let it develop.
And I think that's gonna be best for his career tracking for his game.
So, Ethan, looks like you also had Washington's pick.
He had Devon vassal.
I mean, what do your thoughts on him? We'll let me back up for a 2nd 1 I don't even know what's going on in D. C.
At the moment with, um, with the wizards, John Wall.
We don't know what he will look like when he gets back.
Bradley Bill obviously, is a stud, but he wants to be there now.
He may not want to be there next year. Things could be really fluid.
Um, but what do you think about Devon landing there and what they're trying to do, right? So I just did my league not too long ago on CK with was it's, um and, you know, it's kind of it's kind of crazy when you look at this team.
I mean, if I was the jail, I'm training John War right now and that contract, I'm trying to get him off the books, so I could obviously very what they're doing with this pick.
If they are to move John Well, this summer, I don't think they will, But you're looking at, you know, a team that made the playoffs a few years ago when John Wall comes back in John Wall.
Bradley Beal Hotch Mirrors had a decent rookie season for them.
They have a few other young pieces more.
Wagner's look nice.
Thomas Bryant is looking nice.
That center kind of just as a rotational piece for grand right? And so you look at Devon vassal here.
This is probably one of the top three and be players in this draft again.
Just a great team defender.
When you talk about him, he could slot in and be the starting small forward for this team.
From day one, he's able to stay in front of his guy.
Really? Well, kind of reminds me a little bit of Robert ***mings in in his early years, Um, in the way that you kind of just has three Andy Potential.
I know Covington is more willing to shoot.
But you're looking at a guy that's gonna be that prototypical three indie guy.
And he was deep best player available on the board for me at this pick.
And so I think it makes sense for Washington.
What are some of the other guys think about Washington taking Devin Devin vassal.
Do you think that they should take somebody else? I think don't go head to head.
I like the pick.
I mean, they've done this before, though.
You remember a few years ago they drafted Otto Porter and his 1st 2 years in the league.
He wasn't playing their way after they drafted Kelly you, Bree? Well, eventually, Otto Porter started to play a lot better state than giving him $100 million contract and had Kelly coming off the bench.
Well, now both of those players are gonna try to both of them, so they're common challenges.
Feel this role and have Ah, but they said that three indie guy come in and be able to play alongside wall and ah, Bill just makes you could just make shots will be effective offensively.
Like you can say it.
I would try and trade John Wall.
I really don't think you're gonna be able to, but if you can get off him, get off.
I Grant, I don't know who's gonna take that contract, though.
I think he has two years left.
If I'm not mistaken, Um, and that's a brutal contract.
I mean, I'm all for players getting paid, so I have no issue with him.
It's just your team trying to move him.
I I have no idea who takes that.
What do you guys? So, Blake, you had co Anthony Going to Phoenix and Phoenix is another place where players get drafted.
The team never gets better.
So what are your thoughts on Phoenix and Co Anthony.
Yeah, like this pig as a going with the most talented player on the board at this point.
Um, I think Cole, Anthony, I think we'll be looking for a point guard to really take into the future.
Um, having a backcourt of Devin Booker and cool.
And you will really bring a lot of offensive firepower on.
I do like the on ball off ball, um, potential of that backcourt.
So obviously they might have some questions.
When it comes to defensively.
I do think they have guys like Devon Carter that could help out, um, when it comes to backward defense.
But overall, this was more of a upside talent, best on the board kind of play, and they needed to fill that spot at the point guard position.
How do you guys see him really fitting next to, uh, some of the players that they have there in Phoenix? There are other point guards on the that were on the board at this pick for Blake, but I think I do agree that, and then he makes the most sense.
You have to have a point guard that can get his own shot if you want to make available the space for the others.
And I don't want Phoenix to fall into this trap of picky somebody who you know.
For instance, Nico Manu is going to be an excellent point guard.
But I agree with Cole because Man is while he's an elite distributor.
I don't think he's gonna attack the rim and draw people off of Booker or some of those other backcourt players.
So that's why I think Anthony, with his explosiveness and ability to get to the rim by himself, makes the most sense here as faras a scoring and point generator.
I also want to add to that, Um, I don't totally buy, um, you know, the knock on Colin and me being not the greatest distributor.
I do think the more spacing in the N B.
A will help him out in terms of being able to create offense for the rest of his teammates.
I think he's shown really nice flashes throughout this year and definitely see during his time in high school.
But, um, I think that's something that's gonna unlock in his game as he develops into professional yeah and I think everyone can agree.
He didn't have a lot of help, but North Carolina I mean, he was expected to create almost all of their offense and he had no shooters.
He had no spacing every time he didn't know Les need after fade away from the room.
I think the spacing of the modern game is gonna help him more than other prospects.
I mean, even in high school, you saw him get downhill.
Throwdown, monster dog.
He didn't see any of that in this time in U.
And I think alongside Booker you could be a better fit than most people in two states.
Uh, you know, because, like Derek said, you know he can get downhill.
We can create his own shot and break down the defense and let Booker playoff the ball a little bit more, which we know he can play on the ball.
But he was very, very effective off of it as well.
I think that's a good fit by the best landing spot for Anthony if he can really commit shaping that team home.
Piggybacking off of what they said was, when was the last time we've ever seen a North Carolina team ally on grad transfers to produce.
You know, wing scoring. Never.
They always have.
Ah, for a five star recruit there or someone that's been the program a few years, so I agree with, obviously, when he gets to the n b A.
I think him playing with Devin Booker and also having a good coach.
But I helped him a chair, one as a, you know, off the court in helping mature on the court happened just He'll just have more help and be able to make the right decisions.
And he'll be able to learn from a good veteran like Booker and a good coach.
So now all the Lakers fans was either watching the live stream or listening to this podcast.
They're wondering why I'm even talking about the draft because the Lakers air good again, but Alex, you have trade.
Jones lined up for the Lakers, so convinced Lakers fans why they should pay attention to trade Jones.
Well, Trey Jones, in my opinion, is when the highest in Patty guard that you can get, especially in the late first round, he has an extremely high for not a very high ceiling.
He's likely to be a top of the rotation game manager point guard that's gonna come in, run your second unit.
Maybe not his usual.
Going to be 1/4 or fifth option offensively as faras scoring, but he's gonna play tough on ball defense.
He's not gonna make a lot of mistakes.
Um, and he was I think he's second on my board for the Lakers.
Uh, other guy, I think would be really, really effective.
Would be Tyler Bay Onda.
Lot of other wings that you can get late stars impact guys that I know is the need to the Lakers need, um, more immediate diverse.
It'll contributing guys, especially on the wings.
And Rondo is getting old.
So I think you could go trade Jones.
You could go back.
You could go No war, are you, then? Uh, but I just took Trey Jones at this point because I thought he was the best player available for them.
I think if you look at the Lakers in the way that they have constructed this roster, it's a lot of older, veteran, mature players.
A lot of the guys he brought in had been in the league for a little while.
They've either been on playoff teams or contenders, and they know how to play together.
They know the business of basketball more than just the game itself.
With the very mature trade, Jones would come in Number 29 and I don't think he would give that locker room vibe of a kid or, you know, some things too big for him, Not in the sense that you know he might be enamored by Los Angeles itself, but he seems very down to earth.
He plays with composure, He doesn't get rattled, He's hard nosed, hardheaded.
He's a fiery competitors.
And I think he's the kind of guy that could feed even if the skills that let's see the shooting doesn't necessarily develop.
You still want him running your second unit as a defender as a greedy guy who will do the dirty work for you.
And I think that would be wildly respected by the veteran guys already on the roster.
Just a piggyback off that, um Derek, I didn't want to say I think trade Jones is gonna be say, Trey, Tyus, I was gonna refuse.
Sometimes trade Jones is going to be a great pickup.
Because if you look at that point in the draft, what other guys are gonna feel comfortable with putting the ball in their hands on L.
A team that's gonna be shooting for a championship next season? Um, I think Trey Jones is battle tested and he's really gonna be embracing those moments for the Lakers.
So I just want to put that in there.
Yeah. I mean, you're looking at a guy.
You guys hit it right on the head.
You know, looking at the A C c.
Defensive Player of the year.
I mean, he had probably some of the best battles with cool Anthony that I've seen between two point guards all year in college basketball.
Um, and you're looking at a guy that's gonna come in and, like you guys said, he's going to give you an immediate impact.
Um, I don't know how much better he gets as a player.
I kind of think his ceiling is just as that starting point guard on his floor, really, as that backup point guard like it's it's not gonna be that big of a risk for the Lakers to tell your guy like this, and it's gonna be extremely valuable, especially for a team that really has to utilize draft picks to fill in a rotation with the guys that they're already paying a lot of money.
Yeah, I mean, look, I think at that point to drive the Lakers get someone who's who Ceiling is a starter and whose floor is a backup, that's a win win.
I mean, Kobe 15 championships with Derek Fisher next to him, and that's basically what he waas, you know.
And so I don't think that they need to hit a home run.
I don't even think they need to hit with someone, you know, like the typical Cozma a couple of years ago, where he's a really good player.
But the Lakers have done a great job with drafting late in the first round.
I wouldn't take a flyer at number 29 wouldn't take a flyer, wouldn't take a I wouldn't take a freshman or kid international kid.
He was like just turned 18 with a super high potential.
Take the guy who could come in right now and play with the guys for the two or three years that you may have them under contract.
Um, like you're saying, you know, he's I won't say safe because he's not.
He's not like a safe pick, but the variance of what you're going to get out of it.
It makes sense for the next two or three seasons.
The Lakers need someone that's gonna be study, because at this point, you know LeBron's getting older.
But I'm not going to say he's done, because clearly he still looks like an M V P a year.
17 Anthony Davis, assuming he re signs, which I assume that he will, uh, he's in the prime of his career.
So anybody else they bring in to fill out the roster, just need to be able to play defense, hit threes and basically do their job.
That's it, Um, you want to add something to buy us? I think he just has some good veterans to learn from Rondo on the Avery Bradley, another both defense first type of guys and people forget.
Avery Bradley was a point guard in high school and college, so he will be those two guys around Owen Bradley.
They could definitely mentor him, especially for the future because I Rondo is getting older and they kind of have.
He kind of had a little Rondo in this game is the defense's point guard for he left the past.
So maybe Rondo could, you know, mentor him going forward.
Yeah, Rhonda wins a lot of value.
Still in his mind.
I know he ****es a lot of Lakers fans off me included, but he does have some value in terms of what he can still see in the game and his experience that there's no substitute for experience.
So we'll close out on that, you guys, His article was really, really good.
I'm going to retweet it.
I think I already did it.
I'm gonna keep retweeting It obviously, um, you know, anyone that's listening or watching you can find that article on overtime heroics dot net and I want to make sure these guys share their social media context because they're really good.
Clearly they know the game of basketball in college sports.
So, Derek, you want to start off? Yeah.
I appreciate you having me on the show, man.
I mean, these guys have been some of the best in the business to work with a no basketball.
They know college basketball, and they're great evaluators at all different levels.
So give you to them.
A follow mine is right here on the screen at D, Murray and the A and that it's on my Twitter handle.
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What about you even? Yeah, Twitter handle at Ethan Picota.
No Spaces, no underscores just my name on the screen.
But yeah, that's Derek said It's been great.
I just got here.
Just started working with these guys overtime and rocks.
And it's been really great covering the NBA draft.
Um, I post MBA Dr Content on my account if you're looking for that kind of thing.
But also just general basketball content as well.
Thanks for having me on is really, really nice time.
How about you devise? Um, it's Tobias.
I s underscore bass like the fish.
Like I said, it's been a really good team to work with.
I think we all bring unique, unique qualities to the team is Well, my dad has been a great leader.
Ethan is new, but I know he knows his basketball.
Alex, Alex And, like, you know, they're really good with ****ytics as well.
So I'm just trying to get in. We're all finance.
And thank you for bringing me on the show.
Hey, Alex, want to give your social media contact info? Yeah.
So my twitter handled at age be ****ytics says it appears on the screen.
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That kind of mine made forte.
I would say this doing deep dives in the players and thanks for having me love working with this team.
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I want to close this out, Blake.
Thanks. Laker Central.
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