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00:03:44
already.
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Well, here goes nothing.
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All right, guys, Welcome to the latest edition of trainings is an absolute lifestream with myself in Andy. Pregnant.
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Everybody has it.
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So another wild and woolly week of Syracuse athletics? Yes, went up.
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It's been, Ah, a week of up and down basketball and I think, and a week of lacrosse happening and we are on the site.
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We talked about some football, too.
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So let's let's jump right into the important stuff. Steve.
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Uh, Syracuse lacrosse is good.
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Feel free moving on from there.
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No, that's about where we're at.
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Um, if you put a game in front of me, I understand the game as a Syracuse fan, a SF alum and a resident of Camillus, New York.
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I feel like I should get disowned for not knowing more about the game that I d'oh.
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However, here we are.
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Here we are.
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Yeah, I had my one season as the new expedition across beat writer.
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It was a good season.
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We got bounced in the first round of the unsuitable A tournament.
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I think we're all better off if I never cover across again.
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That I'd say we go with that.
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That seems good, Cool what we want.
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A basketball then, um, Syracuse had I think most people are gonna want to talk about the Florida State game, and rightly so.
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But we should probably talk about the NC State game, even though I know a lot of people.
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I think that game off because of the large A Hughes injury.
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And you be fair if that North Carolina State game ends up being a determining factor about whether or not Syracuse is somehow in a tournament conversation.
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The committee has in the past look at injuries, and the injury to Elijah Hughes that kept him out of 95% of the game will be taken into effect and taken into account.
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That being said, losing that game, too.
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NC State drastically affected Siracusa standings in the A C C.
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As now the Wolfpack have the tiebreaker over the Orange.
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If the team's finished with same record, which bumps Syracuse from that 4th 5th place spot.
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Probably down to potentially is Lois eighth place because the SEC is the Thunderdome.
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Yeah, a C c.
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This year seems to be doing the same thing that Premier League is this year, where it's like you get to fourth and then you get to relegation and there's no differential in between the two.
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Like you go from NC State.
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Syracuse, anybody down the table.
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It's just okay.
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Everybody is exactly the same after you get past the top three or four and it's it's not even, you know, in a lot of seasons.
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And I think, um, a lot of people sticking with this Premier League ****ogy wanted to go.
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Oh, it's going be very matchup dependent.
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It's like, Well, you can bet that one.
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This team plays this team like that, this will happen.
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That's not been the case at all.
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It really feels like you're rolling the dice for each game.
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Yeah, and you have stupid NC State doing stupid NC State things like, How did we get Dom NC State this year? Where did this come from? It's the same magic that is allowing Cloris take toe almost lose the game before they play Syracuse, who again almost beat them with a team that's startling with some injuries and a Louisville team that's probably the best team in the conference with Duke, who just lost the clumsy because why the heck not lost.
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Who did they lose? Two Before that was a Georgia Tech? Yes, Georgia Tech, who we ran out of the gym.
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I like Syracuse, literally ran Josh Pastner and George Attack out of the dome.
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And you know it was at Georgia Tech.
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Yeah, um, it I don't even know like it was just it was bad.
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And somehow that team turns around and beats Louisville, and then Louisville drops another one, like what is What's the SEC doing this year? It's really turned into a situation where I don't think anybody who says they know what's going on, I should be trusted because everybody who covers the sport, who I whose opinion I trust, you know at foremost plug our own guy.
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James.
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You both our tradition basketball writer.
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Okay, Yeah, he's fine.
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They everybody's just like, Yeah, this is This is weird.
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This is just one of those years where the A C C is not a strong team to team, as it's been in the past.
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And because of that, everybody's got enough talent on the roster that if things go the right way, you'll win.
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And if things don't go the right way, you'll probably lose.
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You know, everybody's playing that game now.
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Yeah.
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And with Elijah holding his grand consistently, I don't know where we're gonna follow up.
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I mean, we got Louisville midweek.
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Get the return leg home against Georgia Tech.
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I don't think we're gonna beat him by 34 again.
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No, but, uh, hopefully that's a w.
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You've got a pit on the road which going to Oakland is always a crapshoot on by crapshoot, I mean, sir, he's going to lose.
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Um, I don't know what it is, and it was sent in the post Jamie dictionary.
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It's a whole different ballgame.
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I'll agree with that.
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But like, there was a time where if you went to Oakland, it was just like what? Okay, we're just gonna walk away from this because it's not worth it.
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Yeah, I again as I'm wearing my Pittsburgh Pirates here did not go to Pitt.
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I'm not a pit van, vehemently.
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Hey, pit with every fiber of my being.
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Um, my biggest struggle with Syracuse right now is that if you don't have Elijah Hughes at 100% um, going on the road to these games that they cannot afford to lose if they even want to stay in the bubble conversation becomes that much more difficult.
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And in the season where the margins are so thin between so many teams, you're not having.
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That level of comfort is going to lead to more games like NC State, where it was close.
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It came down to a game of run.
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It came down to specific official calls, and you're not going to get all of those.
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It will break both ways and for Syracuse.
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You can't because of the situation that you've put yourself in.
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You can't afford any more of those breaks to go against you.
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Yeah, and it's It stinks because this team is definitely better than when the season started.
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And some of those losses two teams like Georgetown to Penn State especially look better in hindsight.
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But there's no great Goodwin on the schedule to kind of balance out.
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So because when the resume shows up, it's going to be.
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Look at this pile of steaming crap that you have, and there's not going to be the one little shiny thing that's gonna distract everybody away from that.
00:10:52
So by stupid officiating calls, do you mean the ref teeing up, in my opinion, are most indispensable Player for pointing out literal video evidence that he didn't touch the guy.
00:11:03
I mean, that was the most Premier League Emma last level officiating college.
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Seen in a while.
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Like, Can we? Can we can we do the agreeing to be a r like e mean delish? I literally points to the board where they're showing him not fouling the guy and then gets teed up for it.
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Yeah, the SEC Fowler was out of balance thing.
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You're right about that.
00:11:31
Yeah, whatever.
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It was like he was pointing to Hey, look at what happened and gets run up for it.
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And it's just it's mind boggling to me.
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But whatever, you know, I fully don't, um I don't understand how the officiating got so bad.
00:11:51
I'm not one of those people.
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I don't I know you aren't either who are constantly belittling or blaming officiating for any time Syracuse loses.
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No, I feel like the A CC refs prior to this year were maybe not the greatest.
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But they were pretty solid. They were consistent.
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And this year, that consistency has just gone.
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You don't know what happened, and that was um You know, uh, you look back at, like, the old Big East years, and you had the gym, Bors and the Tim Higgins, And they may not have been the best officiating crew, but every night you knew exactly what you were getting.
00:12:27
Burr was ****, but he was consistently crap.
00:12:31
Uh, like there was no two ways about it.
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Nowadays, it's just like if you get TV, Teddy, you're gonna go to the monitor 17 times.
00:12:39
But other Matt who knows? So, um, I guess I mean, it is what it is.
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Uh, I still am on the complete, um marked.
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Olga is our most indispensable player board.
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I will stand him till the day I die.
00:13:02
I think Kevin and I were talking during the game and I was saying during the efforts you game and I was trying to figure out why our offense on every single possession doesn't run through dollars.
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He might be our best passer.
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He's probably your best memory in shooter.
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He can drive out of any situation every once in a while.
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We'll just take the ball, put it on the floor from three point line and pull some stupid something off.
00:13:24
It's like everyone wants, you know, kind of sleeping out of a little, But he's he's getsem.
00:13:31
Yeah, I think I think part of the reason that Marek has really not been the focal point of the offenses because it's very clearly that he's a guy that needs to get warmed up.
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You know, the way that he ended last season, Everybody kind of expected that version of him to kind of keep L.
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And this is what we always see is that start off the year kind of cold.
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There's a lot of indecision about his shot selection, and then as the season goes on, he gets better and better and better.
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And you expect at the start of next season that that's just going to naturally continue and it doesn't.
00:14:04
He's somebody that is a confidence player in the worst way and that he really needs to kind of get rolling and get moving.
00:14:12
And what I think if I am thinking like I think Jim Boeheim thinks with a lot of things that tracks, he is never going to trust somebody like that who isn't at least consistent or isn't at least going to 100% give him the same thing every night.
00:14:33
And I think that's part of why the offenses and quote unquote designed to go through him.
00:14:38
But to your point, with a large accuse at less than 100% with Joe Girardi buddy behind bait, not I won't say that they've been exposed, but they are who they are, and they have a very limited skill set.
00:14:51
Offensively, I don't see how you don't start re judging things so that Mirek isn't really you know, he should really be like what you're talking about.
00:15:01
The player that basically is the pivotal point on the offensive set and even when it comes to and this is ridiculous, even when it comes to transition basketball, which Syracuse refuses to do.
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And to be fair, I don't necessarily think that they have the legs of the depth to use it all that much this season.
00:15:20
Merak looks the most comfortable hunting a transition offense, which is terrifying.
00:15:23
Oh yeah, and the thing is like use isn't going to run transition all the time, but they're really freaking good when they dio, uh, it's kind of weird, like they're they're much better than the sum of their parts when they start moving like you can put the ball like that.
00:15:40
I mean, even buddy in transition.
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Who? No offense to Mr Boeheim.
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He is not the most athletic person on the floor.
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But you get him out running and he looks fine like he can.
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You run transition with people and it works.
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So I don't know why.
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I mean, I know why.
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Because they'll all be there already dead, like look, and it's I don't know what the empirical evidence or anything is.
00:16:05
But just anecdotally, the last two minutes of every half are just missing.
00:16:14
Like you can tell the guys don't have their legs when you're playing in 38 40 minutes a game.
00:16:21
You know, I don't know, like this Boeheim get good eye and some run does behind get Washington.
00:16:27
Some run those air kind of our only options to get run.
00:16:33
But But to your point, I think a larger conversation has to be had about Why wasn't Why aren't these guys getting runs earlier in the season? Why aren't they getting longer runs? Why aren't they getting more consistent runs so that the bench doesn't look so desolate in these moments, like, I understand that Jesse Edwards is raw as heck and is not a very good basketball player right now.
00:16:57
But if he had gotten more minutes more consistent opportunities to play, you know it suddenly becomes less of a deer in headlights.
00:17:07
And at least like okay, I have this role that I'm supposed to play.
00:17:10
I'm going to play for four minutes.
00:17:12
I'm going Gino to give 100% of these four minutes rather than it looks like, You know, he was expecting to have his butt glued to his seat on the bench all game.
00:17:21
It's just a situation Where, what, what? What comes first, the chicken or the egg? What comes first? Boeheim's lack of bench options? Or the fact that there that there is no talent on the bench because it hasn't been developed like it just It's frustrating because we get to this point of the season every season.
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Yeah, it's been pretty consistent for the last.
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I don't even know how many seasons at this point.
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That's it, Jim going with, you know, Jim's gonna run this seven or eight man rotation.
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It's what he does.
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Every single year Every year we're like, Oh, yeah, we've got the talent to move forward on this and not worry about it.
00:18:00
And then we get a C C play and we're back to, you know, 78 men, right? And here we are with seven months.
00:18:09
Go figure.
00:18:10
You know how it's just It's just frustrating because at some point in time, you have to look at the situation and go.
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We cannot be the only people talking t about about this.
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I'm sure we're not.
00:18:24
So there has to be a reason.
00:18:26
And there has to be a specific, you know, mindset that Jim and the coaching staff have.
00:18:31
And I don't want to say it's a simple as Jim will do it.
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Jim does.
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But it sure as heck feels like that's the only reason I think there's a good chance.
00:18:40
That's the only reason.
00:18:41
Um, I don't know, like there's no other real explanation for it.
00:18:46
Yeah, it's It's frustrating because, you know, you look at that Florida State game and that really I'm not going to say that was a missed opportunity because Florida State's a better team.
00:18:55
But, man, if you just play a little bit better at the end of the first half.
00:19:00
That gap.
00:19:01
That deficit doesn't get so out of hand well and without vessel.
00:19:05
And like if you can if you can heavily in the game where Florida State doesn't have your best guy and you're running it and you're up six at one point with, like two minutes ago, we should be able to close that out.
00:19:21
But when you don't have your legs under you, it is what it is.
00:19:27
Yeah, and it's it's It's frustrating to you because I I know that we kind of the on our pre show.
00:19:33
We were talking about the limitations with specifically the two guards, Gerard and Boeheim.
00:19:40
You know you want to put the hole, you want to put them in the best position to succeed because they do have such obvious weak spots in their game.
00:19:50
You want to protect them as much as you can while also acknowledging that they have to play 30 plus minutes a night.
00:19:56
Otherwise, this team's not gonna have any offensive threat without a large accusing the lineup, right? I was gonna say bye shortcomings.
00:20:02
Do you mean possibly two of the least athletic guards and the one in the same back work.
00:20:07
It's not just that least athletic.
00:20:10
It's just that you watch them in the zone, and either one has no idea what they're doing or the other one is trying to overcompensate for the other one, not give it like there's somebody put it in an example.
00:20:26
There are so many times where I see Gerard over commit to help healthy Boeheim or whoever he may be playing alongside that.
00:20:36
His guy is so wide open that when the past get swung back around, you literally see the other guard straight over and try to make up for that lost face.
00:20:47
And on the other side to your point, like there's just so many times that buddy is set up to get exposed, either by over committing to block a shot.
00:20:57
S o, the player will shot faking it and get around him pretty quickly, or there will be an opportunity where they know if we just swing the ball fast enough.
00:21:05
Boeheim's not gonna be able to cover.
00:21:07
I can't remember what game it was earlier in the year where it was just like literally every possession.
00:21:14
It was one of those early season losses.
00:21:17
It was a bad one, and I I wish I could remember which one it was.
00:21:20
But it was like every single possession, it was like two passes around the perimeter.
00:21:25
One skipped past one.
00:21:26
Skip past back and easy, wide open, mid range bucket or three.
00:21:31
It was like, Okay, well, should we stop this? Can we? Can we do anything? Yes, this it was like watching that BC football game where you're just like they're gonna do the same thing over and over and over again and just do something anything.
00:21:46
And it's It's not like Syracuse.
00:21:48
This is a unique promised Syracuse.
00:21:50
I can't remember the kid's name in the N. C.
00:21:52
State game. Who Syracuse kept attacking.
00:21:54
Oh, yeah, But you know, it's it's this is this is D one sec basketball.
00:21:59
If there's a weak link, the coaches will call it out pretty quickly, and they will make you overcome that weakness.
00:22:06
And usually, for other teams, that means pulling the player and creating a new defensive look.
00:22:10
Yes, Eric, use just ain't doing that well, because you only have seven or eight guys.
00:22:15
Exactly. Go figure.
00:22:17
No, it's ah the Gerard thing, like on offense and with his handle on everything.
00:22:25
He's fine.
00:22:27
He's athletic enough driving.
00:22:29
He's he's good and doing what he does.
00:22:32
But when it comes to defense, I mean, we basically lose him in, like, any time we're in transition defense.
00:22:40
He's a complete loss, cause Hill, if you watch and again, I know Kevin and I have been talking about this couple of times in our slack channel, whatever.
00:22:50
But like Hilly, they're float right back to the top of that.
00:22:53
He's got this thing where he just kind of goes right back into his position in the zone instead of sticking with a guy or cutting off a pass or do.
00:23:01
It's a weird kind of I don't want idiosyncrasy or what, but he just kicks into this mode and does X and just goes for it right and he'll be in the right spot if they were setting up a full defense.
00:23:13
But when you're in transition, you gotta cut off the man.
00:23:16
You gotta cut off what you need to cut off.
00:23:19
So it's been it's definitely been at fault a couple of times so far, but you know, overall, nothing nothing crazy, but it's a consistent.
00:23:30
It's one of those things where you if you see it enough that we're picking up on it, that's there's got to be something to it, right? And it's, I feel worse going after Gerard and critiquing him so, so much.
00:23:44
Just because he's a freshman who never should be in this role correct, 100% absolutely a any any criticism toward him is strictly like, uh, strictly a basketball critique.
00:23:56
It's not like that.
00:23:58
He's very raw.
00:23:59
He's in a position where it shouldn't have been in to start with.
00:24:02
But things happened, and he's here where he is, right? He's not.
00:24:06
He was not.
00:24:07
He was not supposed to be a five star who's coming in and starting at the point guard position right away.
00:24:13
And I think that sure, some people may have put that hype on him.
00:24:17
But I think very realistically you're looking at a guy who's, you know, treading water for the most part and should really be the sixth guy off the bench rather than, you know, playing 35 minutes a night that you know, that being said, I think one of the biggest things that have against him.
00:24:35
And I was telling you this.
00:24:36
I was pulling up his game log and he and Gerard has had just, uh, eight games of hitting above 15 points this season.
00:24:49
You.
00:24:50
He has nine games of 15 or more if you want to throw in his Notre Dame game.
00:24:54
But out of those games, more of them have been coming since the turn of 2020 which I think it's helpful because my feeling on Gerard is at this point in time.
00:25:05
If he's going to be out there on the floor, he he has to be a score.
00:25:10
Yeah, he has to be.
00:25:12
Basically causing defense is to focus it on him and open up a room for Iraq to do something to do Maur in the middle of the floor.
00:25:20
But he cannot be the guy one on one.
00:25:22
So you need to really, like, open up some more space for him to prevent double, uh, prevent extra defensive help moving over to him.
00:25:29
So if nothing else, I'm Maur happy to see that George has kind of put it more together and is putting more scoring together because I think that's really the only way that Syracuse can survive at this point in time.
00:25:41
Definitely, and one of the things that will help him moving forward and he's not there yet.
00:25:46
But I think he will be.
00:25:49
The Morris game develops is not just being the score, but knowing when to when to be that.
00:25:58
Take it home kind of player and when to actually distribute um e you see, there's there's still a lot of Glens Falls on the kid.
00:26:09
Yeah, there is, like he and not in a bad way, just like he's confident he knows what he's doing.
00:26:15
He knows he knows the position he's in, but he also is used to being the big man on campus for like of a better description like he's he was number one for, you know, his five year high school student.
00:26:33
Yeah, and he sometimes seems to get caught up in that a little, which is fine.
00:26:40
It's not a bad thing like that.
00:26:42
Confidence is something you absolutely need.
00:26:44
And there's no way that you would expect a freshman who was the absolute you know, everything that his team needed him to be in high school to be able to immediately turn that off when he gets to college.
00:26:57
So I got a hunch will see as his game develops, much more of a true point.
00:27:03
Much more of a guy who a player who's goingto see a little more well rounded game.
00:27:13
Yeah, so I think that somewhere we're gonna have to look forward to moving forward.
00:27:19
But it's gonna be a bit to get to that point, right? And I don't think that anybody is sitting here expecting, um, Gerard to be like an N b a guy who balances, who puts up crazy numbers and then goes the league.
00:27:34
I think he's going to be a guy that's around here for four years.
00:27:37
I think he's going to do what A lot of what we've seen a lot of Syracuse guards do over their career where they have, where they play a lot there, freshman or sop****re year because of cir***stances, and then they take a step back where they're playing less There.
00:27:51
They get kind of shuttled into a specific role off the bench and then by their senior year, they kind of break out again and they have that, you know, leadership moment where they step up, and they should.
00:28:01
They kind of put the whole thing together.
00:28:03
And I think that Gerard is a prime candidate for maybe not next year, because next year's team looks like it's going to have a lot of the same shortcomings of visitors team.
00:28:11
Now it's literally the same people.
00:28:14
Yeah, so maybe junior year when your Johnson is here, when there's some more recruits and Gerard is expected to kind of be this junior who's playing all the time.
00:28:24
You know, maybe we end up seeing him in a somewhat reduced role as the's no big, more talented five stars kind of come in, and Gerard gets used a little bit more intentionally, rather than than the way he is now, where it's just we need you on the floor at all times because there's nobody else who could score.
00:28:43
I like your idea there, but there's only one problem.
00:28:48
And what is that? Dear Johnson won't be there.
00:28:52
Yeah, it'll be a senior year also know yet, but you're looking at the commits shirt for next year.
00:29:00
We have Canary Richmond, okay, who's a four star to guard? I was not a point.
00:29:07
You have a new nowhere on then Woody Newton, who is a four star power forward, 681 90.
00:29:14
Hopefully put some beef on.
00:29:15
I don't know when.
00:29:16
The last time we signed a player over £200 was oh, me neither.
00:29:21
Yeah, technically, Jesse Edwards was over £200 but he's also 6 11 I was going to say That is Yeah, that's a That's a Syracuse recruited.
00:29:32
If anybody ever heard it, if you didn't know anything about Jesse Edwards, you'd be like, Oh, yeah, that guy's going to Syracuse Is he a feet tall and really, really lanky? All right, up there and 2021 we literally do not have a verbal commit at this point.
00:29:50
Oh, that's good.
00:29:51
Were apparently we're targeting some you to start, guys.
00:29:57
That's where four, sir and a bunch of centers.
00:30:02
So weird.
00:30:04
So there's a forced her three and a bunch of centers that were targeting, which seems funky, but and we have six offers open for there were out.
00:30:15
So those are the six offers we have out Yeah, spots.
00:30:19
That doesn't seem right.
00:30:20
No, no, it is not.
00:30:22
So we'll see how that goes.
00:30:25
Yes, it's really difficult because, um, you look at a CC best and like, fastball recruiting rankings are so weird because it depends on the number of kids that you're you have open.
00:30:36
So, like if a kid like a school get ranked lower because they have one less scholarship player available, it's not like you all where you get that large volume.
00:30:45
But for the most part, a lot of oh, with the exception of Duke and North Carolina, who obviously have such high roster turnover, most schools and the SEC are bringing in two or three players next year, and Syracuse is ranked 11th in the A C C.
00:31:01
That that's not what I mean it at that age.
00:31:04
That is not gonna do it.
00:31:06
No.
00:31:07
And that said, I mean, next year, you're gonna have a good time and, well, I guess, apparently, what's we know? What feelings with Washington? We don't know yet.
00:31:17
There's been a lot of speculation, a lot of talk about him potentially moving on.
00:31:22
But I think with what he put it this way, I do not think that both Jalen and Howard are on next year's team.
00:31:31
That said, I don't know if we're looking at both of them, leaving next year's team that I feel like one of them will stick around.
00:31:41
Yeah, it seems like you know, there's there's spot for one more gear in that rotation.
00:31:46
And whichever one of them hangs around, I think, is probably there.
00:31:50
Um Gary a turning into, uh, man now? Yes, Like he's he's just playing playing his butt off at this juncture.
00:32:02
Um, I don't know that that confuses and worries me.
00:32:08
I mean, he's got that stereotypical like n b a body.
00:32:13
He's got that broad frame that just salad athleticism.
00:32:18
I don't know.
00:32:20
Yeah, so we'll see how that goes. Yeah.
00:32:23
I don't want to be the guy that like, Oh, my gosh, effort.
00:32:26
Like I I get called out my my friend group chat.
00:32:29
I have all the time for this for just always being like the negative person of Like what? We can't enjoy anything around you kind of a thing, but yeah, I've We've all seen this movie enough to know, and this is gonna be the worst thing I've ever said.
00:32:44
It's kind of good that Syracuse isn't looking to make a tournament run because Quincy Gary is the kind of guy that would get Syracuse into the Sweet 16 and then get himself into the first into the first round of the NBA draft.
00:32:56
Right? That's, uh, that's 100% accurate.
00:33:00
But when he there was a stretch I can remember, I think, was the NC State game, where he just went bucket and one bucket and one bucket and won back to back to back.
00:33:08
And they were all wake fighting through traffic or, like grabbed an offensive rebound, went back up with it like this kid is just He's just using potential for a post player.
00:33:21
That's like, uh so I think this this year's draft is so not as strong as even last year's that I don't feel confident in saying anything because obviously now, with the new rules that benefit players, and I'm always for that, um, he'll have the opportunity to kind of go to a combine and get evaluated by agents and get get a real kind of conversation about whether or not and be a team.
00:33:48
You're looking at him seriously, so I don't want to say anything until after that process is done.
00:33:55
Rum that mean looking a shaper set exactly.
00:33:58
Nobody said he was going anywhere until after you get looked at exactly.
00:34:01
So I think it's a very honest conversation tohave because I think that there is an opportunity that Quincy leaves.
00:34:10
But I also don't necessarily think that we should be banking on that.
00:34:13
It's it's it stinks.
00:34:15
But this is Quincy.
00:34:16
Is that prime suspect to either come back next year and then definitely going after next year.
00:34:22
I don't think areas here two more years, but he could.
00:34:27
He could only have, like, six months left on campus.
00:34:30
Yeah, it's a weird one, but it's one that we've been through numerous times before.
00:34:36
Something I mean, when you look at this team, you could instead of having to run Joe Girard, we could hypothetically have a backcourt of or like a I don't know.
00:34:49
How do you How do you want to do it? Battle battle, buddy.
00:34:55
Battle round of the point.
00:34:57
I want you.
00:34:59
Do you go? You a battle Hughes up top.
00:35:02
And then Brissette Taurean Thompson and I don't know, maybe miraculous.
00:35:10
Five.
00:35:11
Oh my gosh, I love that line up so much before Tori.
00:35:17
In times of the five, there's it's ah, if everyone had stuck around.
00:35:23
I mean, Matt Moyer is your six, man.
00:35:28
It's it's silly to do that because obviously, these guys are so good and so loved because, you know, they went on to the next level.
00:35:35
And that's what happens when you're good.
00:35:37
Oh, my gosh.
00:35:38
Let that team is.
00:35:40
That team is so long and so athletic.
00:35:42
You're looking at them as a title contender.
00:35:44
Just because, um, the 23 zone is probably limiting t, especially in visitors.
00:35:48
You see, nobody scored more than 50 points against that sound.
00:35:52
So you're looking at that.
00:35:53
Was the 2010 team there? Yeah, that was just like it was, uh, attrition rounds up top there.
00:36:01
Oh, uh, true attrition? Uh, yeah.
00:36:04
Just rounds.
00:36:05
I was thinking of the next year team that wasn't as good on defense, but could run you out of the floor on any transition.
00:36:11
Oh, my gosh.
00:36:12
That team was freshman year team was someone that the West team.
00:36:15
Um, no West was no before this.
00:36:18
Um uh, Joseph.
00:36:21
Chris. Joseph.
00:36:22
Oh, yeah.
00:36:23
James Southerland of Scoop and Trish and Oh, yeah, that was yeah. They were just gonna have a transition.
00:36:29
Every single thing you did.
00:36:31
Yeah.
00:36:32
Dion Waiters and Michael Carter Williams Just chilling on the bench, right? Yeah, I just went out.
00:36:38
Dion Dion waiters with us.
00:36:39
It was a college six person and wet my lottery.
00:36:42
Yeah.
00:36:43
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:36:44
Six and drafted a lottery.
00:36:46
Okay, that's fine.
00:36:48
And then, you know, sitting behind them was Michael Carter Williams, who just happened to you start his sop****re year and then say cup CIA because he ended up in the lottery again.
00:37:00
Go figure and be a rookie of the year. Michael Carter Williams.
00:37:06
That wasn't thing that happened.
00:37:08
Syracuse doesn't actually roll that up enough, But that is a thing that happened.
00:37:11
Wait, hold on. Issue marketing.
00:37:13
Not doing something.
00:37:15
We were gonna talk about the pink.
00:37:17
Do we want to? Yeah.
00:37:20
Yeah.
00:37:21
All I'm gonna say is the fact that the opposing team was in a pink jersey and the entire day was themed around one of your players going through exactly what you are trying to raise awareness for.
00:37:35
And you can't do the one simple marketing thing that this entire event is planned around, which is wearing pink.
00:37:45
Uh, yeah.
00:37:47
Yep.
00:37:48
This is again This is the athletic department that misspelled a retired jersey.
00:37:52
So what? David Bowie didn't play for us? Uh uh.
00:37:58
I wish there will be another.
00:37:59
There'd be another musical banner up in the ER.
00:38:02
It would just be Billy Joe, uh, get.
00:38:07
And now I'm thinking about the rage against machine tickets that I wasn't able to get.
00:38:10
No New York, hopefully for concerts.
00:38:14
Hopefully, Dan, Dan Lyons comes through for me, but good.
00:38:18
We found your hair.
00:38:19
Good, man.
00:38:21
Okay, so this seems like a perfect time now that we've gotten all of our basketball talk out seeing when we started this week, Didn't think we had much for basketball.
00:38:31
Here we go.
00:38:32
The thing that we actually both know and care about even more than basketball, which is football on.
00:38:39
I know it's really weird that this is the college football offseason.
00:38:42
Thes shows during the season are gonna be like five hours long.
00:38:47
Yeah, I can't even comprehend it like, but here we are in the off season and nothing has really happened.
00:38:54
Other than spring practice is kind of getting underway, I think, or at least players are working out.
00:38:59
We get, we get good Twitter content of guys lifting weights.
00:39:03
Rick, Um, there has not been There was no news this week for Syracuse football relating to staff hirings or recruiting, which is a first.
00:39:12
Um, there was technically.
00:39:14
Oh, well, just cause Dino actually released the list, like the official who was coaching What? How? Which to be fair, it's It's exactly what we thought it was going to be.
00:39:27
You know, Gilbert, wait at the O.
00:39:31
C D. C.
00:39:32
On.
00:39:33
Then Kevin off stays around for the O line.
00:39:36
Gilbert to be coaching quarterbacks.
00:39:38
Yeah, receivers.
00:39:41
I don't think changed.
00:39:43
Remember? Right.
00:39:45
Uh, who the heck was it? Bowling Green.
00:39:48
This is great, Captain.
00:39:50
Yeah, I'm pulling up John's coaching staff preview.
00:39:54
Are you Are you looking at it? Great.
00:39:55
Do much for me.
00:39:57
Uh, so Lynch's back to running backs? Um, um, yeah, yeah, I was in the way.
00:40:08
That didn't change much.
00:40:10
If if we're not able to find it at a moments notice, it didn't change much.
00:40:14
Oh, no, I think the biggest I The only change that you're missing that didn't get mentioned is that there's the a.
00:40:21
C.
00:40:22
C.
00:40:23
Recruiter of the year who came in and Yes, I was gonna call him. Go check.
00:40:30
Uh, here we go.
00:40:31
Being favors finalizes 20 coaching staff.
00:40:34
Um, yeah.
00:40:36
Chip West is gonna be coaching quarterbacks.
00:40:39
That's a because he was He was recruiting coordinator of Virginia.
00:40:43
Yes, he bounced around a little in the switch in there.
00:40:47
Think he left in there less coaching carousel.
00:40:52
But that sounds about right.
00:40:53
He's been floating around.
00:40:54
I mean, he was the A c c.
00:40:55
Like you said, a c recruiter of the year.
00:40:58
Um, he think it was a marshal last year.
00:41:02
Um, I think you heard no North Carolina State chip West.
00:41:06
Really wanna double check on that? Or maybe not last year, but he was at North Carolina State.
00:41:12
Um, West came.
00:41:13
She was Coach Marshall.
00:41:15
You? Yeah. So corners.
00:41:18
Uh, I believe that means Monroe moves strictly.
00:41:22
Two safeties.
00:41:23
Uh, that should be what happened, but, uh, Nick Monroe is safeties and nickel backs.
00:41:30
And you want to be, You know, if you want to make some photograph jokes now, it was just going to say something about Canada and horrible music.
00:41:36
And I don't know the TV.
00:41:39
Uh, so So Chip West, actually, fun fact started his coaching career right down the road.
00:41:46
Seriously, tell me more.
00:41:48
Tell me more. Why plug in my phone charger? Colgate.
00:41:50
And apparently he was clearly was the court quarterbacks coach there when I took my official visit.
00:41:56
Like mad an official visit.
00:41:57
But, like, took my visit down to Colgate to meet with the staff on that when I was recruited.
00:42:02
Yeah, you did not use his a c c.
00:42:05
Recruiter of the year skills on you.
00:42:06
I don't know if he was there. Yeah, man.
00:42:08
It was kind of his first coaching job, but yeah, apparently his last year at Colgate overlapped with the year I was getting recruited in college, period, coming out of high school.
00:42:20
So when I went there to meet with the coaches and that he was the cornerbacks coach, That's amazing. Small world.
00:42:29
It's e can definitely say 20.
00:42:32
Yeah, exactly 2020 years later, I would not have expected what, 18.
00:42:38
Sorry.
00:42:39
18 years later, I would not have expected to come across somebody who apparently was there.
00:42:45
What? I was there.
00:42:46
So it is.
00:42:48
It does.
00:42:50
I mean, it does show that I think this is something that Mike and, um there, Dan Lines and John talked about on a previous podcast when initially all of the coaching stuff was kind of in flux is that Syracuse is coaching this amount of coaching.
00:43:06
Turnover is not normal to Syracuse, and typically it usually happens when someone is coming home or even to go to a big job.
00:43:15
And in in this year was really the first time that Syracuse kind of threw on its big boy pants and played in the plate in the coaching work and coaching carousel.
00:43:24
And it is kind of funny that throughout all that we ended up getting a bunch of guys with some Sarah.
00:43:28
He's test.
00:43:30
Yeah, it's really, uh, it's kind of I mean, I'll take it.
00:43:34
It's kind of an odd situation, but, you know, whatever works, works.
00:43:37
Um, I do like the stuff that's been assembled.
00:43:40
So, um, you know, Tony White Brannan the 335 that we were hoping Zach are not brought in on her first cast.
00:43:48
So, uh, who weirdly was the one that are not called about taking this job? And now he's along with the job.
00:43:56
So, uh, yeah, the fickle webs we weave.
00:44:01
Yeah, it's It's really interesting, too, because you look at this defensive coaching staff.
00:44:06
So you've got weight as the D.
00:44:08
C.
00:44:09
And then under him you have requested corners.
00:44:11
Monroe. It's safeties and nickel backs.
00:44:13
You've got Vincent Reynolds on the defensive line, and then you've got former interim D.
00:44:18
C Steve Stanard at linebackers.
00:44:20
And that's a pretty like that's really well balanced coaching staff, not just in terms of exes and oh's coaching for this.
00:44:27
So, in terms of recruiting as well Oh, yeah, and I mean it the ability of the fact that we're able to hold on.
00:44:34
I've been Rohan start and, well, Miro Samaritaine Reynolds, who all have been salad on the recruiting trail, aumentaron more than salad and, uh, then add Wait, who's a salve occur? I mean, he recruited Florida for Arizona State and then Chip West, who that hold the envy area and South.
00:44:56
He's been all over for years at this point.
00:45:00
Um, I think it should knock on wood.
00:45:04
It should be an uptick in recruiting.
00:45:06
Moving forward, uh, same thing on the other side of the ball holding like keeping Starling Gilbert.
00:45:14
It's Texas connections there.
00:45:17
Yes, we lost well we didn't we didn't lose her.
00:45:19
Martin apparently is still working there with the staff, but it's in a administrative role.
00:45:25
Non staff role.
00:45:27
So in between c camp For For those who do not know the these 10 coaches that Dino Babers has that are allowed on the field, they're the ones that are allowed to go out and actively recruit Theo.
00:45:41
Administrative staff can obviously helps support on official visits.
00:45:44
They can meet with recruits then.
00:45:47
But when it comes to actively going out and getting in the weeds and contacting players on a day to day basis thes of the 10 that have to do it Yeah, and that's you know you can.
00:45:58
You can do anything you want back office.
00:46:00
You can basically scout kids, but you can't make calls.
00:46:06
You can't make context.
00:46:08
Um, with with Martin, that's weird because he has all those sources down there from being a high school coach for years, so I e don't hate.
00:46:21
I don't hate the idea of Martin, because it was.
00:46:24
It was clear that, like while Martin was a quarterback's coach, Syracuse did not land a Texas kid.
00:46:30
So it's not like Syracuse was out at like, Oh my gosh, this lose it.
00:46:35
Moving into the back office means we won't get any recruits right, and then we immediately land.
00:46:40
It takes us quarterback when he's not quarterbacks coach, exactly.
00:46:45
But I do think it's I think it's important to have in those back office rolls somebody who's cultural over.
00:46:55
I'm not going to say I want to make sure I'm using my therapy words here.
00:47:00
I feel like it's really important in tow.
00:47:04
Have somebody in the back office who could basically be an intermediate intermediary for the rest of the recruiting staff who could basically say, I will take in a lot of this information from coaches, some of these coaches.
00:47:15
They're going to be calling about kids that we should not be looking at.
00:47:18
Some of these kids are going to.
00:47:20
Some of them are actually going to give us diamonds in the rough.
00:47:24
I will be the one to kind of handle all that and handle these relationships and whatever else may go along with that level of recruiting three kids that I feed you just straight up, recruit the way that you normally would and then have someone else on the backside.
00:47:38
He kind of handles everything else that goes along with recruiting in 2020.
00:47:42
Yeah, someone to be that filter is.
00:47:46
It definitely goes a long way, especially in something like that, where every college, every high school coach that you've ever had connections with will be well, half of them will be pushing guys on.
00:47:59
So, yes, it's definitely, definitely good to have that sanity check in there.
00:48:05
And it's also, I think, just important.
00:48:09
Not that Syracuse is ever going to be Alabama.
00:48:12
But if you look at what Alabama has kind of done in 2020 to get around these 10 coaches recruiting that they're Alabama has a small army of ****ysts that are.
00:48:22
Some of them are really well known and their former head coaches, who basically go to Nick Saban's finishing school to kind of get back on the horse and get their making, reestablish their exes and oh's credibility.
00:48:35
But a lot of them are just young, hungry kids who are willing to break down hours and hours of film, whether it be on future opponents or whether it be on potential high school recruits to kind of make life easier for those who actually have to go out and recruit.
00:48:49
And I'm Syracuse is never at least, you know, we've never really had names and faces to what? Whoever does that on the Syracuse side.
00:48:57
But seeing Dino Babers fill that office and fill those roles with people who have coaching experience is definitely mawr in tune with what Maur power five programs are doing, right? And, uh, Jeff Lepak who, um I think he coached with Gilbert at McNeese State also came along in a similar room.
00:49:19
So yes, not bad.
00:49:22
Not bad all around.
00:49:23
I'd say the stat not not bad for you saying that we didn't have any staff moves this week Way you know, having it finalized definitely definitely helps on the recruiting trail.
00:49:33
So I guess I'm the recruiting trail.
00:49:37
Moves us into what we want to see for 2021.
00:49:41
I know you really broke this down for the website with John on February 13.
00:49:47
That was just a few days ago.
00:49:49
Yeah, basically, I I broke down a whole bunch of recruits based on some reports from 20 years, uh, 24 7 and I think I don't know if it was McAllister somebody else did a piece on junior day. I think it was McAllister.
00:50:06
Um you did a piece on what? Who's circuit So Super Junior Day and kind of just dug into who we had some offers out to.
00:50:14
Um, one thing that John pointed out was We've only got five offers out to, um, like four star recruits for the quarterback position in 21.
00:50:26
Which is kind of odd seeing you want a guy in a system, you know, developing a little before DeVito graduates.
00:50:32
So in, I guess, in my opinion, that either means that we're thinking one of these two kids that we're bringing in this year's a solid get or, um, it's It's a systemic thing where we I think that the other pieces around the quarterback are much more important than the quarterback and that we can mold the quarterback to fit the system, that I think that that's I think both things could be true.
00:51:04
I also think that if you look at who these kids are, that Syracuse is currently, um, offering and looking at they on paper would feel like kids that Syracuse should probably theme or in on than you then the recruiting sites would lead you to believe on.
00:51:25
So let's start like I'm looking over the list right now on the first name.
00:51:29
After that Texas conversation that we just had is should hear Sanders, who is right now being recruited by Florida State and Georgia and Alabama.
00:51:40
So that bodes well for our chances.
00:51:43
Yeah, yeah, but he's He's the type of Texas kid that you'd want to see these new Texas connections kind of get after.
00:51:51
Like he's a pro style quarterback who's on Lee 6 to 1 98 So you know, if you're if you're recruiting against some of these other big schools, you'll say about Florida State.
00:52:01
Georgia has guys.
00:52:02
They're coming in 45 inches taller, 10 £20 heavier, more pro style, more pro ready.
00:52:09
Who will get slots over.
00:52:10
You come to Syracuse, you can start look att de Vito and look at his size.
00:52:14
And that doesn't really matter with us.
00:52:15
Um, I you know, I don't think that this is somebody who were going to get, but I do think that that's kind of more of the next level of reaching candidates that we'd go for instead of getting somebody before they blow up.
00:52:28
Get somebody to Isn't your prototypical four star even though they're being recruited by the four star schools? Right? So that's kind of the cell on him.
00:52:36
And probably something in McLaughlin.
00:52:38
Um, yes, Two of the guys come Accord and a thin, healthy M**** will go that if he if he commits, I'm all about wearing the guy's name.
00:52:50
Until then, I am no offense.
00:52:53
Not very good.
00:52:54
Greek, Uh, the So McCord's in Ohio State commit, and Kelly M**** is, well, figured it out there.
00:53:03
Go, uh, he's in Minnesota guy.
00:53:06
So off the five offers we have out, two of them are already committed like verbals two schools.
00:53:14
One of them is Christian Value.
00:53:16
Who? The name may sound familiar to orange fans because he was, I think he was basically the top target for this year or yet was for to bring in this year and instead reclassified to next year the 20 he was a 2020 kids reclassified to 2021 to go to prep school, and he's like and you.
00:53:45
It really is kind of unfortunate because he's, ah, native Canadian who's now in the D M V area.
00:53:52
And to be fair to him, move into the DNP.
00:53:55
Put him on the radar of a lot of the big boys were coming after him now, right? And it seems like the rivals seems to think that Penn State is is the leading candidate to grab him.
00:54:08
Which is frustrating because, you know, that's a that's a school that Syracuse is often, Actually, I would say almost 100% of the time loses recruits Thio going after somebody.
00:54:20
So it is unfortunate to see, um, and to your point of only offering 54 stars.
00:54:28
Yeah, that's that's That's not great.
00:54:31
Yeah, I mean, at the same time, like it is what it is.
00:54:34
If the Stanley the staff hasn't shown me anything yet to make me worry that much about the quarterback position is dumb as that sounds with all the things people thought this year, Um, that said, you know, it's something we need to work out another thing we're gonna need to work on his back.
00:54:55
Felling this defensive line way have a lot of spots that we had the backfill this year, we're going to have a lot of spots that We're going to continue to need to be backfilled two years from now.
00:55:06
So, um, were we've actually had quite a few offers out, um, top targets, Probably TJ guy who just decommitted from BC, um Or I don't know if he decommitted be reopened his recruitment, which once the dazzler decided thio part him in BC descent a part ways? Uh, yes.
00:55:30
You're going to see a little trickle from trickle from mirrors toe where people were going.
00:55:35
He's one of those guys.
00:55:36
There's another DT that we're actually looking at.
00:55:38
I can't remember his name either, but, um, I'm doing really good on this.
00:55:44
If you put it, you put in a spreadsheet, I've got it nailed down.
00:55:48
But beyond that, whatever, I I think the larger the larger issue is that, um, we we again, something that we talked about the pre show the 2020 classes and quote unquote divisive per se.
00:56:03
But I think that out of our news magician staff, Steve, you're probably the highest on the 2020 class.
00:56:10
John and I are probably more towards the pessimistic low end of the class, and 2021 is shaping up to be probably worse than 2020 by all.
00:56:25
By all measures, even by your more optimistic standards, right? And inherently, you're going to get like with the amount of turnover we had, you're gonna have a lot of kids that are kind of up in flux.
00:56:37
Um, you gotta figure anyone was being recruited by any of the three.
00:56:41
Quote 12.
00:56:42
12345 Coaches that one a different way are probably going to have to reassess things that said, You know, we're going to get a lot of new looks with Gilbert and West and white.
00:57:01
Basically, all of them bring their recruiting base is with them and including kids.
00:57:06
Like when I kick your commits to a school, it's not just committed to the school, it's committed to the coach That's recruiting you, and that's a huge draw.
00:57:14
A lot of times so inherently by them moving that doesn't lose a ton of that.
00:57:19
Um, you may not get the kid to come from so Celtic, you know Syracuse instead of Arizona State.
00:57:27
But, you know, we get kids in here from Florida all the time, so you know there's there's options, so we'll see how that goes.
00:57:36
But we're a lot of people discount.
00:57:40
The fact that you're bringing in the staff and all the recording connections and everyone they have talked to in the past to be it for another school.
00:57:47
So we'll see how that goes.
00:57:49
Yeah, and it's, I think, um, it would be nice to have some 2021 commits.
00:57:55
Syracuse is one of the few schools right now that doesn't have a single 2021 commitment.
00:58:01
Um, would be nice to just get on the board.
00:58:03
But I don't think that that's really a worry right now.
00:58:06
I think that we'll start to see that kind of pick up over the summer.
00:58:09
That typically seen tends to be when some of the kids who kind of really have their, you know, stuff buttoned up and want to go into the football season with everything in order, start to kind of make their announcements, and we can kind of start getting a better idea where Syracuse stands with most high school players at that point in time.
00:58:27
But all things considered not, it's so silly to say that this is the most important X, y and Z, because the margins move the fence is always get shifted based off of what you did in your previous season.
00:58:42
But obviously Dino Babers has only had one bowl season at Syracuse.
00:58:48
That was a heck of a season and bought him a lot of time.
00:58:51
Bought him a lot of good will.
00:58:53
But if this season goes south, this recruiting class is going to need to be more than it is to get fans cooling off.
00:59:02
Dino Babers is hot seat.
00:59:04
Yeah, and I think a guess will we'll see that coming up in the next get spring season.
00:59:12
And then I think the windows back open a little for a while.
00:59:16
So maybe maybe after probably going into the summer will see a little bit more of more people on the radar.
00:59:25
We also have a ton of offers out to unranked kids currently, which, uh, I mean this whole The whole recording thing in general is a crapshoot.
00:59:35
But once you get past the five stars, it's very, very like some of these unranked kids could be four stars like nobody knows at this point.
00:59:44
So it seems like we're strong in on a lot of kids that the staff thanks for the system.
00:59:51
So I'm cool with that.
00:59:54
Yeah, I don't think that there's I don't I don't think we need to be slamming any kind of panic button already kind of worry right now, Um, but I do think that it is worth pointing out for those people who think that Syracuse can just magically flip a switch and start being a top 25 level program that these kinds of recruiting conversations that we're having are huge.
01:00:18
Part of the reason why the talent and the depth are just not going to be there for Syracuse to consistently be a top 25 like, Yeah, that sounds right.
01:00:27
There's there's about 30.
01:00:29
There's a huge gap that Syracuse needs to overcome right now.
01:00:32
To be in that conversation, year after year after year.
01:00:34
And one of those gaps is the fact that the recruiting talent has to take a pretty significant step up all the way around.
01:00:43
And even with a guy and a coach in place that we think can really recruit pretty well, All things considered, we're still not there yet.
01:00:52
Yeah, I mean, Baker's a charismatic guy, and I think he's bringing in some guys on the staff that should help him out with that.
01:00:58
Let's see how it goes.
01:00:59
And there's nothing Nothing we can really do until we see how the the cookie crumbles.
01:01:04
I guess, like a better description.
01:01:07
Well, yeah, According to Bill.
01:01:09
See, that's a really crumbling cookie.
01:01:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:13
It's somehow not looking great for Syracuse next year.
01:01:18
Bye.
01:01:19
As people of standards, Yeah, if you, uh if you're new to this program, we are big Bill Connolly, believers, truthers, whatever you wanna call it.
01:01:28
But we firmly believe in SP plus value.
01:01:32
It's a pretty **** good evaluative tool.
01:01:34
It's really good predicting tool.
01:01:36
And Syracuse football right now is projected to be is right now the 95th ranked team going into the season.
01:01:44
And if 95 sounds low, it is.
01:01:48
There's only three other power five teams below Syracuse.
01:01:52
Those would be the usual suspects of Vanderbilt, Rutgers and Kansas.
01:01:57
Yeah, about that, um, you know, all that said, um, it's weird because I know you and I have talked a couple of times about it that the predictive model that builds he's using is normally extremely good for a lot of schools.
01:02:15
Historically Syracuse has been very wonky when it comes to S and P.
01:02:19
Plus, they're sorry s people s.
01:02:21
I still can't get over that, but, like, Well, I guess we'll see how that ends up panning out.
01:02:27
It's very the things that s and P plus really take into account are things that Syracuse either is going to be able to replace.
01:02:38
Okay, or, um, I don't want to see their falsified numbers, but they're not really like like the tackles from linebackers like, yeah, that tackle total that they're losing is a lot of tackles in positions that they didn't want them to be in the first place, like tables that they shouldn't have had.
01:03:00
There's a lot of there's a lot of weird.
01:03:03
The way Syracuse is last season fell into these numbers doesn't quite fit the narrative, if that makes sense, and I think that that's accurate.
01:03:14
And I think what I have kind of taken to this first ranking instead of looking at it as saying that Syracuse is a is going to be one of the worst schools in the power five, I've kind of taking it to kind of be a valued would have Let's just assume that this isn't looking at Syracuse through a 100% correct lens.
01:03:35
But let's look at the Wentworth there, where the rest of the A C. C is.
01:03:39
And when we kind of look at Syracuse is upcoming schedule.
01:03:43
Wake Forest is that 81st and that's the next A C C team.
01:03:47
That's, um, that's on the list.
01:03:50
Wait, that's That's not good for Wake forced.
01:03:53
That's very bad.
01:03:54
Um, now, mind you, Wake Forest is also a team that lost their starting quarterback to transfer and head numerous other things. Avenue.
01:04:03
So to throw Syracuse, who's returning a good core of their offense minus Trish in Jackson, who was a big piece of it, but not the only piece of it, Um, and Edition.
01:04:15
That's that Dino Babers can consistently replenish, right, Like we've seen over the course that no offense to any of the players in that, like they were all phenomenal receivers for us.
01:04:26
But it's relatively plug and play in this offense.
01:04:29
You get a good athlete in there that can make catches, and he's going to make catches.
01:04:34
So, uh, I'm I'm not that worried about that underthings the linebackers most people who have read the site.
01:04:43
No, my thoughts on the line back and where we were last year, like I don't want to beat up on kids because they're kids.
01:04:52
But we should not have been in the situation that we were with that with now linebackers last year.
01:04:57
Um, looking Williams and andr.
01:04:59
Armstrong were both serviceable linebackers, but be have being forced to put them both on the field at the same time where each was very specific as to what they were good at, um, getting her and force on that really kind of skewed what we were doing right and kind of, you know, getting looking.
01:05:25
I think the point that we're both trying to make here is that Syracuse is not as bad as this list is saying that they our.
01:05:33
But to say that Syracuse is a Top 25 team is also not accurate.
01:05:38
I think that in reality, Syracuse is probably somewhere in the mid fifties to mid sixties and if we're looking at the rest of our conference neighbors, other teams that fit in there are conveniently teams that Syracuse has to play next year, which include Boston College at 71.
01:05:56
Who's going through a lot of transition and Syracuse gets nice and early in the season, Georgia Tech rebuilding they were.
01:06:03
They had some dangerous moments, but they are still going through a lot of overhaul their 58th on the list on 58th on the list.
01:06:11
But they're returning second, the second most production in the country, Right said.
01:06:17
It's and then 60 seconds NC State, which I think the larger point that I'm trying to drive that is that If certainly I'm not saying saying that Syracuse goes eating for based off of their schedule.
01:06:29
What I am saying is that there's a very clear path here to six wins.
01:06:33
The margins are probably closer than we want to admit that they are.
01:06:37
I think this team sealing a seven wings, not eight wins and I think they're floors probably four wins, not six wins.
01:06:44
But I do think that the percentages, if you will get talent away from S and P if you just kind of remove those empty calories and you look at what Syracuse is going to be replacing those that they lost with like they're going to be upgrading in a lot of areas.
01:07:00
I think that you can see a six win team with this with this non conference schedule.
01:07:06
Yeah, and I know I brought it up in the slack, but I'm thinking personally five and seven being the floor and 84 being the top end.
01:07:17
Um, not really anything empirical behind that, but more of a gut.
01:07:23
I looking at this schedule if we don't win five games than some wheels, drastically fell off of some sort of train, right? And I don't think that's out of the question.
01:07:34
Seeing that DeVito hasn't had a non injury plagued season yet, could I Don't I do not.
01:07:41
You know, I don't think any of us are very high on the backups.
01:07:44
And so you know, part of the reason that we're saying that Syracuse should be better is that their quarterback, who's was pretty highly ranked as a recruit, is now going to have his second full season with no transition with, you know, a lot of the same coaching staff coming back in place.
01:08:00
But he's also never been healthy and hopefully having a improved offensive line should keep him healthier, which would be quite nice the ability to have him actually in there for, you know, X number of snaps this year would be phenomenal.
01:08:18
Yes, So I mean, last year he played most of the snaps, and that was with no ribs.
01:08:25
So we'll see how it goes.
01:08:27
I mean, it is what it is.
01:08:31
We as long as we don't have to, like, rely on David Sommers to start every game, Then we should be serviceable, right? Eso if Syracuse goes for know when their nonconference schedule, which I think is very attainable, um, you then have to win two of at Boston College home versus Georgia Tech at Wake Forest vs NC State and at Hit to get to six wins.
01:08:59
I don't I don't think that that's a large.
01:09:02
Ask if everything is healthy and everything goes right, because those teams are all dealing with their own unique challenges and all kind of in that middle and blob of the 50 the 60th ranked teams that we think Syracuse should be in.
01:09:18
Yeah, that sounds right.
01:09:19
I mean, it's it's Syracuse.
01:09:23
So you could see what I mean.
01:09:26
If we don't start for no, something's drastically wrong again.
01:09:30
Yes, on then that Louisville games.
01:09:32
Just gonna come in and people are gonna get hyped for it, right? That will be the standard.
01:09:38
I don't want to call it the standard bearer, but like the usual, everyone gets way too hyped when Sir Hugh starts off hot and then just get smacked in the face, and then we get a nice bye week.
01:09:51
Hopefully, you know, if again.
01:09:53
Oh, wait, that's it.
01:09:54
Don't never mind.
01:09:55
Um, so w against liberty? Yep.
01:09:58
Get tossed around by Clemson again.
01:10:00
So we go, you know, tossed around, toss someone around, tossed around again.
01:10:05
Uh, Georgia Tech.
01:10:07
You'd never know.
01:10:08
It's it.
01:10:09
The dome.
01:10:10
So put us on it on then.
01:10:12
That week. Yeah.
01:10:13
All right.
01:10:15
The more anti the problem is, the more I see the schedule.
01:10:17
The more I talked myself into.
01:10:18
There's no way we can't win six games, but, I mean, we can't do anything right.
01:10:24
We've shown that so.
01:10:27
But yeah, um, I think as we get closer and closer, um, this is gonna be the constant refrain.
01:10:36
It's gonna be the same thing that we talked about this year.
01:10:38
It's gonna come down to those that middle that low end middle of the coldest act of the A C. C.
01:10:45
That Syracuse has to go up against a Boston college, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State and you could throw a pin in there.
01:10:51
But it's at Pittsburgh.
01:10:52
I'm just We're already writing it off as a loss.
01:10:54
I don't know what it is about that city, but every time I go there, whatever sport it is just doesn't work out right.
01:11:00
And it's really unfortunate.
01:11:01
Believe you personally.
01:11:02
I mean, you should blame me.
01:11:03
Are Syracuse's record versus Pittsburgh Since I went to Syracuse has been abysmal, as my family likes.
01:11:10
Remind me.
01:11:11
Uh, bye.
01:11:12
You know that it serves to just go three and two against against those teams.
01:11:18
I think, sir, I think there's a bowl game in there.
01:11:22
There's probably seven wins on the season, and everybody feels good works for May.
01:11:27
Yeah, football in February.
01:11:30
Yeah, so now I'd say, uh, I'd say, you know, for a down week that hit things up pretty good.
01:11:38
Well, I'm sure that we're gonna have more next week as we talk, because Syracuse will play two very important basketball games and we will have a much better idea where that team stands, lacrosse will keep winning, and we'll keep saying That's a good thing and we'll wait for whatever We're in something from football breaks this week because there was always something guarantee a peaceful fall guaranteed.
01:12:01
I'm mentally going into this week thinking it's gonna be super easy.
01:12:04
We don't worry about anything.
01:12:05
We're going to get some something absolutely crazy.
01:12:08
Probably.
01:12:09
Um, I know this.
01:12:11
I can say that the spring game and whatever the spring game entails is going to be interesting and weird, and we're gonna want to talk about it.
01:12:17
Well, yeah, especially without the fact they can hold in the dome.
01:12:20
So we'll see what? That where that does exactly.
01:12:23
It's gonna It's gonna make things definitely interesting.
01:12:26
And Syracuse is going to do something different.
01:12:29
All I know is, if they do something press only like in pencil or something, I need to make sure that I get on that, because why there? Why so cool? Uh, anything else from you? Ready? Uh, no.
01:12:46
Uh, if you haven't read house powers of X or any of the new expense stuff in Marvel because I just I just had to re read it for work.
01:12:55
And it's zip.
01:12:57
Oh, it is so good.
01:12:58
Gotta love it.
01:13:00
Uh, we've never had a Castillo down that rabbit hole.
01:13:03
I know where this is.
01:13:04
Slowly turning little marble block. Oh, yeah.
01:13:07
100%.
01:13:08
So already? Yeah.
01:13:11
Court go orange.
01:13:13
Definitely for ah, for Andy. Pregnant.
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All right, guys, Welcome to the latest edition of trainings is an absolute lifestream with myself in Andy. Pregnant.
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Everybody has it.
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So another wild and woolly week of Syracuse athletics? Yes, went up.
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It's been, Ah, a week of up and down basketball and I think, and a week of lacrosse happening and we are on the site.
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We talked about some football, too.
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So let's let's jump right into the important stuff. Steve.
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Uh, Syracuse lacrosse is good.
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Feel free moving on from there.
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No, that's about where we're at.
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Um, if you put a game in front of me, I understand the game as a Syracuse fan, a SF alum and a resident of Camillus, New York.
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I feel like I should get disowned for not knowing more about the game that I d'oh.
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However, here we are.
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Here we are.
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Yeah, I had my one season as the new expedition across beat writer.
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It was a good season.
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We got bounced in the first round of the unsuitable A tournament.
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I think we're all better off if I never cover across again.
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That I'd say we go with that.
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That seems good, Cool what we want.
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A basketball then, um, Syracuse had I think most people are gonna want to talk about the Florida State game, and rightly so.
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But we should probably talk about the NC State game, even though I know a lot of people.
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I think that game off because of the large A Hughes injury.
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And you be fair if that North Carolina State game ends up being a determining factor about whether or not Syracuse is somehow in a tournament conversation.
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The committee has in the past look at injuries, and the injury to Elijah Hughes that kept him out of 95% of the game will be taken into effect and taken into account.
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That being said, losing that game, too.
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NC State drastically affected Siracusa standings in the A C C.
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As now the Wolfpack have the tiebreaker over the Orange.
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If the team's finished with same record, which bumps Syracuse from that 4th 5th place spot.
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Probably down to potentially is Lois eighth place because the SEC is the Thunderdome.
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Yeah, a C c.
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This year seems to be doing the same thing that Premier League is this year, where it's like you get to fourth and then you get to relegation and there's no differential in between the two.
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Like you go from NC State.
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Syracuse, anybody down the table.
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It's just okay.
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Everybody is exactly the same after you get past the top three or four and it's it's not even, you know, in a lot of seasons.
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And I think, um, a lot of people sticking with this Premier League ****ogy wanted to go.
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Oh, it's going be very matchup dependent.
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It's like, Well, you can bet that one.
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This team plays this team like that, this will happen.
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That's not been the case at all.
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It really feels like you're rolling the dice for each game.
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Yeah, and you have stupid NC State doing stupid NC State things like, How did we get Dom NC State this year? Where did this come from? It's the same magic that is allowing Cloris take toe almost lose the game before they play Syracuse, who again almost beat them with a team that's startling with some injuries and a Louisville team that's probably the best team in the conference with Duke, who just lost the clumsy because why the heck not lost.
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Who did they lose? Two Before that was a Georgia Tech? Yes, Georgia Tech, who we ran out of the gym.
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I like Syracuse, literally ran Josh Pastner and George Attack out of the dome.
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And you know it was at Georgia Tech.
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Yeah, um, it I don't even know like it was just it was bad.
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And somehow that team turns around and beats Louisville, and then Louisville drops another one, like what is What's the SEC doing this year? It's really turned into a situation where I don't think anybody who says they know what's going on, I should be trusted because everybody who covers the sport, who I whose opinion I trust, you know at foremost plug our own guy.
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James.
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You both our tradition basketball writer.
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Okay, Yeah, he's fine.
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They everybody's just like, Yeah, this is This is weird.
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This is just one of those years where the A C C is not a strong team to team, as it's been in the past.
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And because of that, everybody's got enough talent on the roster that if things go the right way, you'll win.
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And if things don't go the right way, you'll probably lose.
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You know, everybody's playing that game now.
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Yeah.
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And with Elijah holding his grand consistently, I don't know where we're gonna follow up.
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I mean, we got Louisville midweek.
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Get the return leg home against Georgia Tech.
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I don't think we're gonna beat him by 34 again.
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No, but, uh, hopefully that's a w.
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You've got a pit on the road which going to Oakland is always a crapshoot on by crapshoot, I mean, sir, he's going to lose.
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Um, I don't know what it is, and it was sent in the post Jamie dictionary.
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It's a whole different ballgame.
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I'll agree with that.
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But like, there was a time where if you went to Oakland, it was just like what? Okay, we're just gonna walk away from this because it's not worth it.
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Yeah, I again as I'm wearing my Pittsburgh Pirates here did not go to Pitt.
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I'm not a pit van, vehemently.
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Hey, pit with every fiber of my being.
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Um, my biggest struggle with Syracuse right now is that if you don't have Elijah Hughes at 100% um, going on the road to these games that they cannot afford to lose if they even want to stay in the bubble conversation becomes that much more difficult.
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And in the season where the margins are so thin between so many teams, you're not having.
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That level of comfort is going to lead to more games like NC State, where it was close.
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It came down to a game of run.
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It came down to specific official calls, and you're not going to get all of those.
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It will break both ways and for Syracuse.
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You can't because of the situation that you've put yourself in.
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You can't afford any more of those breaks to go against you.
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Yeah, and it's It stinks because this team is definitely better than when the season started.
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And some of those losses two teams like Georgetown to Penn State especially look better in hindsight.
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But there's no great Goodwin on the schedule to kind of balance out.
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So because when the resume shows up, it's going to be.
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Look at this pile of steaming crap that you have, and there's not going to be the one little shiny thing that's gonna distract everybody away from that.
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So by stupid officiating calls, do you mean the ref teeing up, in my opinion, are most indispensable Player for pointing out literal video evidence that he didn't touch the guy.
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I mean, that was the most Premier League Emma last level officiating college.
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Seen in a while.
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Like, Can we? Can we can we do the agreeing to be a r like e mean delish? I literally points to the board where they're showing him not fouling the guy and then gets teed up for it.
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Yeah, the SEC Fowler was out of balance thing.
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You're right about that.
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Yeah, whatever.
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It was like he was pointing to Hey, look at what happened and gets run up for it.
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And it's just it's mind boggling to me.
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But whatever, you know, I fully don't, um I don't understand how the officiating got so bad.
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I'm not one of those people.
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I don't I know you aren't either who are constantly belittling or blaming officiating for any time Syracuse loses.
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No, I feel like the A CC refs prior to this year were maybe not the greatest.
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But they were pretty solid. They were consistent.
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And this year, that consistency has just gone.
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You don't know what happened, and that was um You know, uh, you look back at, like, the old Big East years, and you had the gym, Bors and the Tim Higgins, And they may not have been the best officiating crew, but every night you knew exactly what you were getting.
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Burr was ****, but he was consistently crap.
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Uh, like there was no two ways about it.
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Nowadays, it's just like if you get TV, Teddy, you're gonna go to the monitor 17 times.
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But other Matt who knows? So, um, I guess I mean, it is what it is.
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Uh, I still am on the complete, um marked.
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Olga is our most indispensable player board.
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I will stand him till the day I die.
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I think Kevin and I were talking during the game and I was saying during the efforts you game and I was trying to figure out why our offense on every single possession doesn't run through dollars.
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He might be our best passer.
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He's probably your best memory in shooter.
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He can drive out of any situation every once in a while.
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We'll just take the ball, put it on the floor from three point line and pull some stupid something off.
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It's like everyone wants, you know, kind of sleeping out of a little, But he's he's getsem.
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Yeah, I think I think part of the reason that Marek has really not been the focal point of the offenses because it's very clearly that he's a guy that needs to get warmed up.
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You know, the way that he ended last season, Everybody kind of expected that version of him to kind of keep L.
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And this is what we always see is that start off the year kind of cold.
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There's a lot of indecision about his shot selection, and then as the season goes on, he gets better and better and better.
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And you expect at the start of next season that that's just going to naturally continue and it doesn't.
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He's somebody that is a confidence player in the worst way and that he really needs to kind of get rolling and get moving.
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And what I think if I am thinking like I think Jim Boeheim thinks with a lot of things that tracks, he is never going to trust somebody like that who isn't at least consistent or isn't at least going to 100% give him the same thing every night.
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And I think that's part of why the offenses and quote unquote designed to go through him.
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But to your point, with a large accuse at less than 100% with Joe Girardi buddy behind bait, not I won't say that they've been exposed, but they are who they are, and they have a very limited skill set.
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Offensively, I don't see how you don't start re judging things so that Mirek isn't really you know, he should really be like what you're talking about.
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The player that basically is the pivotal point on the offensive set and even when it comes to and this is ridiculous, even when it comes to transition basketball, which Syracuse refuses to do.
00:15:14
And to be fair, I don't necessarily think that they have the legs of the depth to use it all that much this season.
00:15:20
Merak looks the most comfortable hunting a transition offense, which is terrifying.
00:15:23
Oh yeah, and the thing is like use isn't going to run transition all the time, but they're really freaking good when they dio, uh, it's kind of weird, like they're they're much better than the sum of their parts when they start moving like you can put the ball like that.
00:15:40
I mean, even buddy in transition.
00:15:42
Who? No offense to Mr Boeheim.
00:15:45
He is not the most athletic person on the floor.
00:15:48
But you get him out running and he looks fine like he can.
00:15:50
You run transition with people and it works.
00:15:54
So I don't know why.
00:15:56
I mean, I know why.
00:15:57
Because they'll all be there already dead, like look, and it's I don't know what the empirical evidence or anything is.
00:16:05
But just anecdotally, the last two minutes of every half are just missing.
00:16:14
Like you can tell the guys don't have their legs when you're playing in 38 40 minutes a game.
00:16:21
You know, I don't know, like this Boeheim get good eye and some run does behind get Washington.
00:16:27
Some run those air kind of our only options to get run.
00:16:33
But But to your point, I think a larger conversation has to be had about Why wasn't Why aren't these guys getting runs earlier in the season? Why aren't they getting longer runs? Why aren't they getting more consistent runs so that the bench doesn't look so desolate in these moments, like, I understand that Jesse Edwards is raw as heck and is not a very good basketball player right now.
00:16:57
But if he had gotten more minutes more consistent opportunities to play, you know it suddenly becomes less of a deer in headlights.
00:17:07
And at least like okay, I have this role that I'm supposed to play.
00:17:10
I'm going to play for four minutes.
00:17:12
I'm going Gino to give 100% of these four minutes rather than it looks like, You know, he was expecting to have his butt glued to his seat on the bench all game.
00:17:21
It's just a situation Where, what, what? What comes first, the chicken or the egg? What comes first? Boeheim's lack of bench options? Or the fact that there that there is no talent on the bench because it hasn't been developed like it just It's frustrating because we get to this point of the season every season.
00:17:40
Yeah, it's been pretty consistent for the last.
00:17:43
I don't even know how many seasons at this point.
00:17:46
That's it, Jim going with, you know, Jim's gonna run this seven or eight man rotation.
00:17:52
It's what he does.
00:17:53
Every single year Every year we're like, Oh, yeah, we've got the talent to move forward on this and not worry about it.
00:18:00
And then we get a C C play and we're back to, you know, 78 men, right? And here we are with seven months.
00:18:09
Go figure.
00:18:10
You know how it's just It's just frustrating because at some point in time, you have to look at the situation and go.
00:18:19
We cannot be the only people talking t about about this.
00:18:23
I'm sure we're not.
00:18:24
So there has to be a reason.
00:18:26
And there has to be a specific, you know, mindset that Jim and the coaching staff have.
00:18:31
And I don't want to say it's a simple as Jim will do it.
00:18:35
Jim does.
00:18:36
But it sure as heck feels like that's the only reason I think there's a good chance.
00:18:40
That's the only reason.
00:18:41
Um, I don't know, like there's no other real explanation for it.
00:18:46
Yeah, it's It's frustrating because, you know, you look at that Florida State game and that really I'm not going to say that was a missed opportunity because Florida State's a better team.
00:18:55
But, man, if you just play a little bit better at the end of the first half.
00:19:00
That gap.
00:19:01
That deficit doesn't get so out of hand well and without vessel.
00:19:05
And like if you can if you can heavily in the game where Florida State doesn't have your best guy and you're running it and you're up six at one point with, like two minutes ago, we should be able to close that out.
00:19:21
But when you don't have your legs under you, it is what it is.
00:19:27
Yeah, and it's it's It's frustrating to you because I I know that we kind of the on our pre show.
00:19:33
We were talking about the limitations with specifically the two guards, Gerard and Boeheim.
00:19:40
You know you want to put the hole, you want to put them in the best position to succeed because they do have such obvious weak spots in their game.
00:19:50
You want to protect them as much as you can while also acknowledging that they have to play 30 plus minutes a night.
00:19:56
Otherwise, this team's not gonna have any offensive threat without a large accusing the lineup, right? I was gonna say bye shortcomings.
00:20:02
Do you mean possibly two of the least athletic guards and the one in the same back work.
00:20:07
It's not just that least athletic.
00:20:10
It's just that you watch them in the zone, and either one has no idea what they're doing or the other one is trying to overcompensate for the other one, not give it like there's somebody put it in an example.
00:20:26
There are so many times where I see Gerard over commit to help healthy Boeheim or whoever he may be playing alongside that.
00:20:36
His guy is so wide open that when the past get swung back around, you literally see the other guard straight over and try to make up for that lost face.
00:20:47
And on the other side to your point, like there's just so many times that buddy is set up to get exposed, either by over committing to block a shot.
00:20:57
S o, the player will shot faking it and get around him pretty quickly, or there will be an opportunity where they know if we just swing the ball fast enough.
00:21:05
Boeheim's not gonna be able to cover.
00:21:07
I can't remember what game it was earlier in the year where it was just like literally every possession.
00:21:14
It was one of those early season losses.
00:21:17
It was a bad one, and I I wish I could remember which one it was.
00:21:20
But it was like every single possession, it was like two passes around the perimeter.
00:21:25
One skipped past one.
00:21:26
Skip past back and easy, wide open, mid range bucket or three.
00:21:31
It was like, Okay, well, should we stop this? Can we? Can we do anything? Yes, this it was like watching that BC football game where you're just like they're gonna do the same thing over and over and over again and just do something anything.
00:21:46
And it's It's not like Syracuse.
00:21:48
This is a unique promised Syracuse.
00:21:50
I can't remember the kid's name in the N. C.
00:21:52
State game. Who Syracuse kept attacking.
00:21:54
Oh, yeah, But you know, it's it's this is this is D one sec basketball.
00:21:59
If there's a weak link, the coaches will call it out pretty quickly, and they will make you overcome that weakness.
00:22:06
And usually, for other teams, that means pulling the player and creating a new defensive look.
00:22:10
Yes, Eric, use just ain't doing that well, because you only have seven or eight guys.
00:22:15
Exactly. Go figure.
00:22:17
No, it's ah the Gerard thing, like on offense and with his handle on everything.
00:22:25
He's fine.
00:22:27
He's athletic enough driving.
00:22:29
He's he's good and doing what he does.
00:22:32
But when it comes to defense, I mean, we basically lose him in, like, any time we're in transition defense.
00:22:40
He's a complete loss, cause Hill, if you watch and again, I know Kevin and I have been talking about this couple of times in our slack channel, whatever.
00:22:50
But like Hilly, they're float right back to the top of that.
00:22:53
He's got this thing where he just kind of goes right back into his position in the zone instead of sticking with a guy or cutting off a pass or do.
00:23:01
It's a weird kind of I don't want idiosyncrasy or what, but he just kicks into this mode and does X and just goes for it right and he'll be in the right spot if they were setting up a full defense.
00:23:13
But when you're in transition, you gotta cut off the man.
00:23:16
You gotta cut off what you need to cut off.
00:23:19
So it's been it's definitely been at fault a couple of times so far, but you know, overall, nothing nothing crazy, but it's a consistent.
00:23:30
It's one of those things where you if you see it enough that we're picking up on it, that's there's got to be something to it, right? And it's, I feel worse going after Gerard and critiquing him so, so much.
00:23:44
Just because he's a freshman who never should be in this role correct, 100% absolutely a any any criticism toward him is strictly like, uh, strictly a basketball critique.
00:23:56
It's not like that.
00:23:58
He's very raw.
00:23:59
He's in a position where it shouldn't have been in to start with.
00:24:02
But things happened, and he's here where he is, right? He's not.
00:24:06
He was not.
00:24:07
He was not supposed to be a five star who's coming in and starting at the point guard position right away.
00:24:13
And I think that sure, some people may have put that hype on him.
00:24:17
But I think very realistically you're looking at a guy who's, you know, treading water for the most part and should really be the sixth guy off the bench rather than, you know, playing 35 minutes a night that you know, that being said, I think one of the biggest things that have against him.
00:24:35
And I was telling you this.
00:24:36
I was pulling up his game log and he and Gerard has had just, uh, eight games of hitting above 15 points this season.
00:24:49
You.
00:24:50
He has nine games of 15 or more if you want to throw in his Notre Dame game.
00:24:54
But out of those games, more of them have been coming since the turn of 2020 which I think it's helpful because my feeling on Gerard is at this point in time.
00:25:05
If he's going to be out there on the floor, he he has to be a score.
00:25:10
Yeah, he has to be.
00:25:12
Basically causing defense is to focus it on him and open up a room for Iraq to do something to do Maur in the middle of the floor.
00:25:20
But he cannot be the guy one on one.
00:25:22
So you need to really, like, open up some more space for him to prevent double, uh, prevent extra defensive help moving over to him.
00:25:29
So if nothing else, I'm Maur happy to see that George has kind of put it more together and is putting more scoring together because I think that's really the only way that Syracuse can survive at this point in time.
00:25:41
Definitely, and one of the things that will help him moving forward and he's not there yet.
00:25:46
But I think he will be.
00:25:49
The Morris game develops is not just being the score, but knowing when to when to be that.
00:25:58
Take it home kind of player and when to actually distribute um e you see, there's there's still a lot of Glens Falls on the kid.
00:26:09
Yeah, there is, like he and not in a bad way, just like he's confident he knows what he's doing.
00:26:15
He knows he knows the position he's in, but he also is used to being the big man on campus for like of a better description like he's he was number one for, you know, his five year high school student.
00:26:33
Yeah, and he sometimes seems to get caught up in that a little, which is fine.
00:26:40
It's not a bad thing like that.
00:26:42
Confidence is something you absolutely need.
00:26:44
And there's no way that you would expect a freshman who was the absolute you know, everything that his team needed him to be in high school to be able to immediately turn that off when he gets to college.
00:26:57
So I got a hunch will see as his game develops, much more of a true point.
00:27:03
Much more of a guy who a player who's goingto see a little more well rounded game.
00:27:13
Yeah, so I think that somewhere we're gonna have to look forward to moving forward.
00:27:19
But it's gonna be a bit to get to that point, right? And I don't think that anybody is sitting here expecting, um, Gerard to be like an N b a guy who balances, who puts up crazy numbers and then goes the league.
00:27:34
I think he's going to be a guy that's around here for four years.
00:27:37
I think he's going to do what A lot of what we've seen a lot of Syracuse guards do over their career where they have, where they play a lot there, freshman or sop****re year because of cir***stances, and then they take a step back where they're playing less There.
00:27:51
They get kind of shuttled into a specific role off the bench and then by their senior year, they kind of break out again and they have that, you know, leadership moment where they step up, and they should.
00:28:01
They kind of put the whole thing together.
00:28:03
And I think that Gerard is a prime candidate for maybe not next year, because next year's team looks like it's going to have a lot of the same shortcomings of visitors team.
00:28:11
Now it's literally the same people.
00:28:14
Yeah, so maybe junior year when your Johnson is here, when there's some more recruits and Gerard is expected to kind of be this junior who's playing all the time.
00:28:24
You know, maybe we end up seeing him in a somewhat reduced role as the's no big, more talented five stars kind of come in, and Gerard gets used a little bit more intentionally, rather than than the way he is now, where it's just we need you on the floor at all times because there's nobody else who could score.
00:28:43
I like your idea there, but there's only one problem.
00:28:48
And what is that? Dear Johnson won't be there.
00:28:52
Yeah, it'll be a senior year also know yet, but you're looking at the commits shirt for next year.
00:29:00
We have Canary Richmond, okay, who's a four star to guard? I was not a point.
00:29:07
You have a new nowhere on then Woody Newton, who is a four star power forward, 681 90.
00:29:14
Hopefully put some beef on.
00:29:15
I don't know when.
00:29:16
The last time we signed a player over £200 was oh, me neither.
00:29:21
Yeah, technically, Jesse Edwards was over £200 but he's also 6 11 I was going to say That is Yeah, that's a That's a Syracuse recruited.
00:29:32
If anybody ever heard it, if you didn't know anything about Jesse Edwards, you'd be like, Oh, yeah, that guy's going to Syracuse Is he a feet tall and really, really lanky? All right, up there and 2021 we literally do not have a verbal commit at this point.
00:29:50
Oh, that's good.
00:29:51
Were apparently we're targeting some you to start, guys.
00:29:57
That's where four, sir and a bunch of centers.
00:30:02
So weird.
00:30:04
So there's a forced her three and a bunch of centers that were targeting, which seems funky, but and we have six offers open for there were out.
00:30:15
So those are the six offers we have out Yeah, spots.
00:30:19
That doesn't seem right.
00:30:20
No, no, it is not.
00:30:22
So we'll see how that goes.
00:30:25
Yes, it's really difficult because, um, you look at a CC best and like, fastball recruiting rankings are so weird because it depends on the number of kids that you're you have open.
00:30:36
So, like if a kid like a school get ranked lower because they have one less scholarship player available, it's not like you all where you get that large volume.
00:30:45
But for the most part, a lot of oh, with the exception of Duke and North Carolina, who obviously have such high roster turnover, most schools and the SEC are bringing in two or three players next year, and Syracuse is ranked 11th in the A C C.
00:31:01
That that's not what I mean it at that age.
00:31:04
That is not gonna do it.
00:31:06
No.
00:31:07
And that said, I mean, next year, you're gonna have a good time and, well, I guess, apparently, what's we know? What feelings with Washington? We don't know yet.
00:31:17
There's been a lot of speculation, a lot of talk about him potentially moving on.
00:31:22
But I think with what he put it this way, I do not think that both Jalen and Howard are on next year's team.
00:31:31
That said, I don't know if we're looking at both of them, leaving next year's team that I feel like one of them will stick around.
00:31:41
Yeah, it seems like you know, there's there's spot for one more gear in that rotation.
00:31:46
And whichever one of them hangs around, I think, is probably there.
00:31:50
Um Gary a turning into, uh, man now? Yes, Like he's he's just playing playing his butt off at this juncture.
00:32:02
Um, I don't know that that confuses and worries me.
00:32:08
I mean, he's got that stereotypical like n b a body.
00:32:13
He's got that broad frame that just salad athleticism.
00:32:18
I don't know.
00:32:20
Yeah, so we'll see how that goes. Yeah.
00:32:23
I don't want to be the guy that like, Oh, my gosh, effort.
00:32:26
Like I I get called out my my friend group chat.
00:32:29
I have all the time for this for just always being like the negative person of Like what? We can't enjoy anything around you kind of a thing, but yeah, I've We've all seen this movie enough to know, and this is gonna be the worst thing I've ever said.
00:32:44
It's kind of good that Syracuse isn't looking to make a tournament run because Quincy Gary is the kind of guy that would get Syracuse into the Sweet 16 and then get himself into the first into the first round of the NBA draft.
00:32:56
Right? That's, uh, that's 100% accurate.
00:33:00
But when he there was a stretch I can remember, I think, was the NC State game, where he just went bucket and one bucket and one bucket and won back to back to back.
00:33:08
And they were all wake fighting through traffic or, like grabbed an offensive rebound, went back up with it like this kid is just He's just using potential for a post player.
00:33:21
That's like, uh so I think this this year's draft is so not as strong as even last year's that I don't feel confident in saying anything because obviously now, with the new rules that benefit players, and I'm always for that, um, he'll have the opportunity to kind of go to a combine and get evaluated by agents and get get a real kind of conversation about whether or not and be a team.
00:33:48
You're looking at him seriously, so I don't want to say anything until after that process is done.
00:33:55
Rum that mean looking a shaper set exactly.
00:33:58
Nobody said he was going anywhere until after you get looked at exactly.
00:34:01
So I think it's a very honest conversation tohave because I think that there is an opportunity that Quincy leaves.
00:34:10
But I also don't necessarily think that we should be banking on that.
00:34:13
It's it's it stinks.
00:34:15
But this is Quincy.
00:34:16
Is that prime suspect to either come back next year and then definitely going after next year.
00:34:22
I don't think areas here two more years, but he could.
00:34:27
He could only have, like, six months left on campus.
00:34:30
Yeah, it's a weird one, but it's one that we've been through numerous times before.
00:34:36
Something I mean, when you look at this team, you could instead of having to run Joe Girard, we could hypothetically have a backcourt of or like a I don't know.
00:34:49
How do you How do you want to do it? Battle battle, buddy.
00:34:55
Battle round of the point.
00:34:57
I want you.
00:34:59
Do you go? You a battle Hughes up top.
00:35:02
And then Brissette Taurean Thompson and I don't know, maybe miraculous.
00:35:10
Five.
00:35:11
Oh my gosh, I love that line up so much before Tori.
00:35:17
In times of the five, there's it's ah, if everyone had stuck around.
00:35:23
I mean, Matt Moyer is your six, man.
00:35:28
It's it's silly to do that because obviously, these guys are so good and so loved because, you know, they went on to the next level.
00:35:35
And that's what happens when you're good.
00:35:37
Oh, my gosh.
00:35:38
Let that team is.
00:35:40
That team is so long and so athletic.
00:35:42
You're looking at them as a title contender.
00:35:44
Just because, um, the 23 zone is probably limiting t, especially in visitors.
00:35:48
You see, nobody scored more than 50 points against that sound.
00:35:52
So you're looking at that.
00:35:53
Was the 2010 team there? Yeah, that was just like it was, uh, attrition rounds up top there.
00:36:01
Oh, uh, true attrition? Uh, yeah.
00:36:04
Just rounds.
00:36:05
I was thinking of the next year team that wasn't as good on defense, but could run you out of the floor on any transition.
00:36:11
Oh, my gosh.
00:36:12
That team was freshman year team was someone that the West team.
00:36:15
Um, no West was no before this.
00:36:18
Um uh, Joseph.
00:36:21
Chris. Joseph.
00:36:22
Oh, yeah.
00:36:23
James Southerland of Scoop and Trish and Oh, yeah, that was yeah. They were just gonna have a transition.
00:36:29
Every single thing you did.
00:36:31
Yeah.
00:36:32
Dion Waiters and Michael Carter Williams Just chilling on the bench, right? Yeah, I just went out.
00:36:38
Dion Dion waiters with us.
00:36:39
It was a college six person and wet my lottery.
00:36:42
Yeah.
00:36:43
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:36:44
Six and drafted a lottery.
00:36:46
Okay, that's fine.
00:36:48
And then, you know, sitting behind them was Michael Carter Williams, who just happened to you start his sop****re year and then say cup CIA because he ended up in the lottery again.
00:37:00
Go figure and be a rookie of the year. Michael Carter Williams.
00:37:06
That wasn't thing that happened.
00:37:08
Syracuse doesn't actually roll that up enough, But that is a thing that happened.
00:37:11
Wait, hold on. Issue marketing.
00:37:13
Not doing something.
00:37:15
We were gonna talk about the pink.
00:37:17
Do we want to? Yeah.
00:37:20
Yeah.
00:37:21
All I'm gonna say is the fact that the opposing team was in a pink jersey and the entire day was themed around one of your players going through exactly what you are trying to raise awareness for.
00:37:35
And you can't do the one simple marketing thing that this entire event is planned around, which is wearing pink.
00:37:45
Uh, yeah.
00:37:47
Yep.
00:37:48
This is again This is the athletic department that misspelled a retired jersey.
00:37:52
So what? David Bowie didn't play for us? Uh uh.
00:37:58
I wish there will be another.
00:37:59
There'd be another musical banner up in the ER.
00:38:02
It would just be Billy Joe, uh, get.
00:38:07
And now I'm thinking about the rage against machine tickets that I wasn't able to get.
00:38:10
No New York, hopefully for concerts.
00:38:14
Hopefully, Dan, Dan Lyons comes through for me, but good.
00:38:18
We found your hair.
00:38:19
Good, man.
00:38:21
Okay, so this seems like a perfect time now that we've gotten all of our basketball talk out seeing when we started this week, Didn't think we had much for basketball.
00:38:31
Here we go.
00:38:32
The thing that we actually both know and care about even more than basketball, which is football on.
00:38:39
I know it's really weird that this is the college football offseason.
00:38:42
Thes shows during the season are gonna be like five hours long.
00:38:47
Yeah, I can't even comprehend it like, but here we are in the off season and nothing has really happened.
00:38:54
Other than spring practice is kind of getting underway, I think, or at least players are working out.
00:38:59
We get, we get good Twitter content of guys lifting weights.
00:39:03
Rick, Um, there has not been There was no news this week for Syracuse football relating to staff hirings or recruiting, which is a first.
00:39:12
Um, there was technically.
00:39:14
Oh, well, just cause Dino actually released the list, like the official who was coaching What? How? Which to be fair, it's It's exactly what we thought it was going to be.
00:39:27
You know, Gilbert, wait at the O.
00:39:31
C D. C.
00:39:32
On.
00:39:33
Then Kevin off stays around for the O line.
00:39:36
Gilbert to be coaching quarterbacks.
00:39:38
Yeah, receivers.
00:39:41
I don't think changed.
00:39:43
Remember? Right.
00:39:45
Uh, who the heck was it? Bowling Green.
00:39:48
This is great, Captain.
00:39:50
Yeah, I'm pulling up John's coaching staff preview.
00:39:54
Are you Are you looking at it? Great.
00:39:55
Do much for me.
00:39:57
Uh, so Lynch's back to running backs? Um, um, yeah, yeah, I was in the way.
00:40:08
That didn't change much.
00:40:10
If if we're not able to find it at a moments notice, it didn't change much.
00:40:14
Oh, no, I think the biggest I The only change that you're missing that didn't get mentioned is that there's the a.
00:40:21
C.
00:40:22
C.
00:40:23
Recruiter of the year who came in and Yes, I was gonna call him. Go check.
00:40:30
Uh, here we go.
00:40:31
Being favors finalizes 20 coaching staff.
00:40:34
Um, yeah.
00:40:36
Chip West is gonna be coaching quarterbacks.
00:40:39
That's a because he was He was recruiting coordinator of Virginia.
00:40:43
Yes, he bounced around a little in the switch in there.
00:40:47
Think he left in there less coaching carousel.
00:40:52
But that sounds about right.
00:40:53
He's been floating around.
00:40:54
I mean, he was the A c c.
00:40:55
Like you said, a c recruiter of the year.
00:40:58
Um, he think it was a marshal last year.
00:41:02
Um, I think you heard no North Carolina State chip West.
00:41:06
Really wanna double check on that? Or maybe not last year, but he was at North Carolina State.
00:41:12
Um, West came.
00:41:13
She was Coach Marshall.
00:41:15
You? Yeah. So corners.
00:41:18
Uh, I believe that means Monroe moves strictly.
00:41:22
Two safeties.
00:41:23
Uh, that should be what happened, but, uh, Nick Monroe is safeties and nickel backs.
00:41:30
And you want to be, You know, if you want to make some photograph jokes now, it was just going to say something about Canada and horrible music.
00:41:36
And I don't know the TV.
00:41:39
Uh, so So Chip West, actually, fun fact started his coaching career right down the road.
00:41:46
Seriously, tell me more.
00:41:48
Tell me more. Why plug in my phone charger? Colgate.
00:41:50
And apparently he was clearly was the court quarterbacks coach there when I took my official visit.
00:41:56
Like mad an official visit.
00:41:57
But, like, took my visit down to Colgate to meet with the staff on that when I was recruited.
00:42:02
Yeah, you did not use his a c c.
00:42:05
Recruiter of the year skills on you.
00:42:06
I don't know if he was there. Yeah, man.
00:42:08
It was kind of his first coaching job, but yeah, apparently his last year at Colgate overlapped with the year I was getting recruited in college, period, coming out of high school.
00:42:20
So when I went there to meet with the coaches and that he was the cornerbacks coach, That's amazing. Small world.
00:42:29
It's e can definitely say 20.
00:42:32
Yeah, exactly 2020 years later, I would not have expected what, 18.
00:42:38
Sorry.
00:42:39
18 years later, I would not have expected to come across somebody who apparently was there.
00:42:45
What? I was there.
00:42:46
So it is.
00:42:48
It does.
00:42:50
I mean, it does show that I think this is something that Mike and, um there, Dan Lines and John talked about on a previous podcast when initially all of the coaching stuff was kind of in flux is that Syracuse is coaching this amount of coaching.
00:43:06
Turnover is not normal to Syracuse, and typically it usually happens when someone is coming home or even to go to a big job.
00:43:15
And in in this year was really the first time that Syracuse kind of threw on its big boy pants and played in the plate in the coaching work and coaching carousel.
00:43:24
And it is kind of funny that throughout all that we ended up getting a bunch of guys with some Sarah.
00:43:28
He's test.
00:43:30
Yeah, it's really, uh, it's kind of I mean, I'll take it.
00:43:34
It's kind of an odd situation, but, you know, whatever works, works.
00:43:37
Um, I do like the stuff that's been assembled.
00:43:40
So, um, you know, Tony White Brannan the 335 that we were hoping Zach are not brought in on her first cast.
00:43:48
So, uh, who weirdly was the one that are not called about taking this job? And now he's along with the job.
00:43:56
So, uh, yeah, the fickle webs we weave.
00:44:01
Yeah, it's It's really interesting, too, because you look at this defensive coaching staff.
00:44:06
So you've got weight as the D.
00:44:08
C.
00:44:09
And then under him you have requested corners.
00:44:11
Monroe. It's safeties and nickel backs.
00:44:13
You've got Vincent Reynolds on the defensive line, and then you've got former interim D.
00:44:18
C Steve Stanard at linebackers.
00:44:20
And that's a pretty like that's really well balanced coaching staff, not just in terms of exes and oh's coaching for this.
00:44:27
So, in terms of recruiting as well Oh, yeah, and I mean it the ability of the fact that we're able to hold on.
00:44:34
I've been Rohan start and, well, Miro Samaritaine Reynolds, who all have been salad on the recruiting trail, aumentaron more than salad and, uh, then add Wait, who's a salve occur? I mean, he recruited Florida for Arizona State and then Chip West, who that hold the envy area and South.
00:44:56
He's been all over for years at this point.
00:45:00
Um, I think it should knock on wood.
00:45:04
It should be an uptick in recruiting.
00:45:06
Moving forward, uh, same thing on the other side of the ball holding like keeping Starling Gilbert.
00:45:14
It's Texas connections there.
00:45:17
Yes, we lost well we didn't we didn't lose her.
00:45:19
Martin apparently is still working there with the staff, but it's in a administrative role.
00:45:25
Non staff role.
00:45:27
So in between c camp For For those who do not know the these 10 coaches that Dino Babers has that are allowed on the field, they're the ones that are allowed to go out and actively recruit Theo.
00:45:41
Administrative staff can obviously helps support on official visits.
00:45:44
They can meet with recruits then.
00:45:47
But when it comes to actively going out and getting in the weeds and contacting players on a day to day basis thes of the 10 that have to do it Yeah, and that's you know you can.
00:45:58
You can do anything you want back office.
00:46:00
You can basically scout kids, but you can't make calls.
00:46:06
You can't make context.
00:46:08
Um, with with Martin, that's weird because he has all those sources down there from being a high school coach for years, so I e don't hate.
00:46:21
I don't hate the idea of Martin, because it was.
00:46:24
It was clear that, like while Martin was a quarterback's coach, Syracuse did not land a Texas kid.
00:46:30
So it's not like Syracuse was out at like, Oh my gosh, this lose it.
00:46:35
Moving into the back office means we won't get any recruits right, and then we immediately land.
00:46:40
It takes us quarterback when he's not quarterbacks coach, exactly.
00:46:45
But I do think it's I think it's important to have in those back office rolls somebody who's cultural over.
00:46:55
I'm not going to say I want to make sure I'm using my therapy words here.
00:47:00
I feel like it's really important in tow.
00:47:04
Have somebody in the back office who could basically be an intermediate intermediary for the rest of the recruiting staff who could basically say, I will take in a lot of this information from coaches, some of these coaches.
00:47:15
They're going to be calling about kids that we should not be looking at.
00:47:18
Some of these kids are going to.
00:47:20
Some of them are actually going to give us diamonds in the rough.
00:47:24
I will be the one to kind of handle all that and handle these relationships and whatever else may go along with that level of recruiting three kids that I feed you just straight up, recruit the way that you normally would and then have someone else on the backside.
00:47:38
He kind of handles everything else that goes along with recruiting in 2020.
00:47:42
Yeah, someone to be that filter is.
00:47:46
It definitely goes a long way, especially in something like that, where every college, every high school coach that you've ever had connections with will be well, half of them will be pushing guys on.
00:47:59
So, yes, it's definitely, definitely good to have that sanity check in there.
00:48:05
And it's also, I think, just important.
00:48:09
Not that Syracuse is ever going to be Alabama.
00:48:12
But if you look at what Alabama has kind of done in 2020 to get around these 10 coaches recruiting that they're Alabama has a small army of ****ysts that are.
00:48:22
Some of them are really well known and their former head coaches, who basically go to Nick Saban's finishing school to kind of get back on the horse and get their making, reestablish their exes and oh's credibility.
00:48:35
But a lot of them are just young, hungry kids who are willing to break down hours and hours of film, whether it be on future opponents or whether it be on potential high school recruits to kind of make life easier for those who actually have to go out and recruit.
00:48:49
And I'm Syracuse is never at least, you know, we've never really had names and faces to what? Whoever does that on the Syracuse side.
00:48:57
But seeing Dino Babers fill that office and fill those roles with people who have coaching experience is definitely mawr in tune with what Maur power five programs are doing, right? And, uh, Jeff Lepak who, um I think he coached with Gilbert at McNeese State also came along in a similar room.
00:49:19
So yes, not bad.
00:49:22
Not bad all around.
00:49:23
I'd say the stat not not bad for you saying that we didn't have any staff moves this week Way you know, having it finalized definitely definitely helps on the recruiting trail.
00:49:33
So I guess I'm the recruiting trail.
00:49:37
Moves us into what we want to see for 2021.
00:49:41
I know you really broke this down for the website with John on February 13.
00:49:47
That was just a few days ago.
00:49:49
Yeah, basically, I I broke down a whole bunch of recruits based on some reports from 20 years, uh, 24 7 and I think I don't know if it was McAllister somebody else did a piece on junior day. I think it was McAllister.
00:50:06
Um you did a piece on what? Who's circuit So Super Junior Day and kind of just dug into who we had some offers out to.
00:50:14
Um, one thing that John pointed out was We've only got five offers out to, um, like four star recruits for the quarterback position in 21.
00:50:26
Which is kind of odd seeing you want a guy in a system, you know, developing a little before DeVito graduates.
00:50:32
So in, I guess, in my opinion, that either means that we're thinking one of these two kids that we're bringing in this year's a solid get or, um, it's It's a systemic thing where we I think that the other pieces around the quarterback are much more important than the quarterback and that we can mold the quarterback to fit the system, that I think that that's I think both things could be true.
00:51:04
I also think that if you look at who these kids are, that Syracuse is currently, um, offering and looking at they on paper would feel like kids that Syracuse should probably theme or in on than you then the recruiting sites would lead you to believe on.
00:51:25
So let's start like I'm looking over the list right now on the first name.
00:51:29
After that Texas conversation that we just had is should hear Sanders, who is right now being recruited by Florida State and Georgia and Alabama.
00:51:40
So that bodes well for our chances.
00:51:43
Yeah, yeah, but he's He's the type of Texas kid that you'd want to see these new Texas connections kind of get after.
00:51:51
Like he's a pro style quarterback who's on Lee 6 to 1 98 So you know, if you're if you're recruiting against some of these other big schools, you'll say about Florida State.
00:52:01
Georgia has guys.
00:52:02
They're coming in 45 inches taller, 10 £20 heavier, more pro style, more pro ready.
00:52:09
Who will get slots over.
00:52:10
You come to Syracuse, you can start look att de Vito and look at his size.
00:52:14
And that doesn't really matter with us.
00:52:15
Um, I you know, I don't think that this is somebody who were going to get, but I do think that that's kind of more of the next level of reaching candidates that we'd go for instead of getting somebody before they blow up.
00:52:28
Get somebody to Isn't your prototypical four star even though they're being recruited by the four star schools? Right? So that's kind of the cell on him.
00:52:36
And probably something in McLaughlin.
00:52:38
Um, yes, Two of the guys come Accord and a thin, healthy M**** will go that if he if he commits, I'm all about wearing the guy's name.
00:52:50
Until then, I am no offense.
00:52:53
Not very good.
00:52:54
Greek, Uh, the So McCord's in Ohio State commit, and Kelly M**** is, well, figured it out there.
00:53:03
Go, uh, he's in Minnesota guy.
00:53:06
So off the five offers we have out, two of them are already committed like verbals two schools.
00:53:14
One of them is Christian Value.
00:53:16
Who? The name may sound familiar to orange fans because he was, I think he was basically the top target for this year or yet was for to bring in this year and instead reclassified to next year the 20 he was a 2020 kids reclassified to 2021 to go to prep school, and he's like and you.
00:53:45
It really is kind of unfortunate because he's, ah, native Canadian who's now in the D M V area.
00:53:52
And to be fair to him, move into the DNP.
00:53:55
Put him on the radar of a lot of the big boys were coming after him now, right? And it seems like the rivals seems to think that Penn State is is the leading candidate to grab him.
00:54:08
Which is frustrating because, you know, that's a that's a school that Syracuse is often, Actually, I would say almost 100% of the time loses recruits Thio going after somebody.
00:54:20
So it is unfortunate to see, um, and to your point of only offering 54 stars.
00:54:28
Yeah, that's that's That's not great.
00:54:31
Yeah, I mean, at the same time, like it is what it is.
00:54:34
If the Stanley the staff hasn't shown me anything yet to make me worry that much about the quarterback position is dumb as that sounds with all the things people thought this year, Um, that said, you know, it's something we need to work out another thing we're gonna need to work on his back.
00:54:55
Felling this defensive line way have a lot of spots that we had the backfill this year, we're going to have a lot of spots that We're going to continue to need to be backfilled two years from now.
00:55:06
So, um, were we've actually had quite a few offers out, um, top targets, Probably TJ guy who just decommitted from BC, um Or I don't know if he decommitted be reopened his recruitment, which once the dazzler decided thio part him in BC descent a part ways? Uh, yes.
00:55:30
You're going to see a little trickle from trickle from mirrors toe where people were going.
00:55:35
He's one of those guys.
00:55:36
There's another DT that we're actually looking at.
00:55:38
I can't remember his name either, but, um, I'm doing really good on this.
00:55:44
If you put it, you put in a spreadsheet, I've got it nailed down.
00:55:48
But beyond that, whatever, I I think the larger the larger issue is that, um, we we again, something that we talked about the pre show the 2020 classes and quote unquote divisive per se.
00:56:03
But I think that out of our news magician staff, Steve, you're probably the highest on the 2020 class.
00:56:10
John and I are probably more towards the pessimistic low end of the class, and 2021 is shaping up to be probably worse than 2020 by all.
00:56:25
By all measures, even by your more optimistic standards, right? And inherently, you're going to get like with the amount of turnover we had, you're gonna have a lot of kids that are kind of up in flux.
00:56:37
Um, you gotta figure anyone was being recruited by any of the three.
00:56:41
Quote 12.
00:56:42
12345 Coaches that one a different way are probably going to have to reassess things that said, You know, we're going to get a lot of new looks with Gilbert and West and white.
00:57:01
Basically, all of them bring their recruiting base is with them and including kids.
00:57:06
Like when I kick your commits to a school, it's not just committed to the school, it's committed to the coach That's recruiting you, and that's a huge draw.
00:57:14
A lot of times so inherently by them moving that doesn't lose a ton of that.
00:57:19
Um, you may not get the kid to come from so Celtic, you know Syracuse instead of Arizona State.
00:57:27
But, you know, we get kids in here from Florida all the time, so you know there's there's options, so we'll see how that goes.
00:57:36
But we're a lot of people discount.
00:57:40
The fact that you're bringing in the staff and all the recording connections and everyone they have talked to in the past to be it for another school.
00:57:47
So we'll see how that goes.
00:57:49
Yeah, and it's, I think, um, it would be nice to have some 2021 commits.
00:57:55
Syracuse is one of the few schools right now that doesn't have a single 2021 commitment.
00:58:01
Um, would be nice to just get on the board.
00:58:03
But I don't think that that's really a worry right now.
00:58:06
I think that we'll start to see that kind of pick up over the summer.
00:58:09
That typically seen tends to be when some of the kids who kind of really have their, you know, stuff buttoned up and want to go into the football season with everything in order, start to kind of make their announcements, and we can kind of start getting a better idea where Syracuse stands with most high school players at that point in time.
00:58:27
But all things considered not, it's so silly to say that this is the most important X, y and Z, because the margins move the fence is always get shifted based off of what you did in your previous season.
00:58:42
But obviously Dino Babers has only had one bowl season at Syracuse.
00:58:48
That was a heck of a season and bought him a lot of time.
00:58:51
Bought him a lot of good will.
00:58:53
But if this season goes south, this recruiting class is going to need to be more than it is to get fans cooling off.
00:59:02
Dino Babers is hot seat.
00:59:04
Yeah, and I think a guess will we'll see that coming up in the next get spring season.
00:59:12
And then I think the windows back open a little for a while.
00:59:16
So maybe maybe after probably going into the summer will see a little bit more of more people on the radar.
00:59:25
We also have a ton of offers out to unranked kids currently, which, uh, I mean this whole The whole recording thing in general is a crapshoot.
00:59:35
But once you get past the five stars, it's very, very like some of these unranked kids could be four stars like nobody knows at this point.
00:59:44
So it seems like we're strong in on a lot of kids that the staff thanks for the system.
00:59:51
So I'm cool with that.
00:59:54
Yeah, I don't think that there's I don't I don't think we need to be slamming any kind of panic button already kind of worry right now, Um, but I do think that it is worth pointing out for those people who think that Syracuse can just magically flip a switch and start being a top 25 level program that these kinds of recruiting conversations that we're having are huge.
01:00:18
Part of the reason why the talent and the depth are just not going to be there for Syracuse to consistently be a top 25 like, Yeah, that sounds right.
01:00:27
There's there's about 30.
01:00:29
There's a huge gap that Syracuse needs to overcome right now.
01:00:32
To be in that conversation, year after year after year.
01:00:34
And one of those gaps is the fact that the recruiting talent has to take a pretty significant step up all the way around.
01:00:43
And even with a guy and a coach in place that we think can really recruit pretty well, All things considered, we're still not there yet.
01:00:52
Yeah, I mean, Baker's a charismatic guy, and I think he's bringing in some guys on the staff that should help him out with that.
01:00:58
Let's see how it goes.
01:00:59
And there's nothing Nothing we can really do until we see how the the cookie crumbles.
01:01:04
I guess, like a better description.
01:01:07
Well, yeah, According to Bill.
01:01:09
See, that's a really crumbling cookie.
01:01:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:13
It's somehow not looking great for Syracuse next year.
01:01:18
Bye.
01:01:19
As people of standards, Yeah, if you, uh if you're new to this program, we are big Bill Connolly, believers, truthers, whatever you wanna call it.
01:01:28
But we firmly believe in SP plus value.
01:01:32
It's a pretty **** good evaluative tool.
01:01:34
It's really good predicting tool.
01:01:36
And Syracuse football right now is projected to be is right now the 95th ranked team going into the season.
01:01:44
And if 95 sounds low, it is.
01:01:48
There's only three other power five teams below Syracuse.
01:01:52
Those would be the usual suspects of Vanderbilt, Rutgers and Kansas.
01:01:57
Yeah, about that, um, you know, all that said, um, it's weird because I know you and I have talked a couple of times about it that the predictive model that builds he's using is normally extremely good for a lot of schools.
01:02:15
Historically Syracuse has been very wonky when it comes to S and P.
01:02:19
Plus, they're sorry s people s.
01:02:21
I still can't get over that, but, like, Well, I guess we'll see how that ends up panning out.
01:02:27
It's very the things that s and P plus really take into account are things that Syracuse either is going to be able to replace.
01:02:38
Okay, or, um, I don't want to see their falsified numbers, but they're not really like like the tackles from linebackers like, yeah, that tackle total that they're losing is a lot of tackles in positions that they didn't want them to be in the first place, like tables that they shouldn't have had.
01:03:00
There's a lot of there's a lot of weird.
01:03:03
The way Syracuse is last season fell into these numbers doesn't quite fit the narrative, if that makes sense, and I think that that's accurate.
01:03:14
And I think what I have kind of taken to this first ranking instead of looking at it as saying that Syracuse is a is going to be one of the worst schools in the power five, I've kind of taking it to kind of be a valued would have Let's just assume that this isn't looking at Syracuse through a 100% correct lens.
01:03:35
But let's look at the Wentworth there, where the rest of the A C. C is.
01:03:39
And when we kind of look at Syracuse is upcoming schedule.
01:03:43
Wake Forest is that 81st and that's the next A C C team.
01:03:47
That's, um, that's on the list.
01:03:50
Wait, that's That's not good for Wake forced.
01:03:53
That's very bad.
01:03:54
Um, now, mind you, Wake Forest is also a team that lost their starting quarterback to transfer and head numerous other things. Avenue.
01:04:03
So to throw Syracuse, who's returning a good core of their offense minus Trish in Jackson, who was a big piece of it, but not the only piece of it, Um, and Edition.
01:04:15
That's that Dino Babers can consistently replenish, right, Like we've seen over the course that no offense to any of the players in that, like they were all phenomenal receivers for us.
01:04:26
But it's relatively plug and play in this offense.
01:04:29
You get a good athlete in there that can make catches, and he's going to make catches.
01:04:34
So, uh, I'm I'm not that worried about that underthings the linebackers most people who have read the site.
01:04:43
No, my thoughts on the line back and where we were last year, like I don't want to beat up on kids because they're kids.
01:04:52
But we should not have been in the situation that we were with that with now linebackers last year.
01:04:57
Um, looking Williams and andr.
01:04:59
Armstrong were both serviceable linebackers, but be have being forced to put them both on the field at the same time where each was very specific as to what they were good at, um, getting her and force on that really kind of skewed what we were doing right and kind of, you know, getting looking.
01:05:25
I think the point that we're both trying to make here is that Syracuse is not as bad as this list is saying that they our.
01:05:33
But to say that Syracuse is a Top 25 team is also not accurate.
01:05:38
I think that in reality, Syracuse is probably somewhere in the mid fifties to mid sixties and if we're looking at the rest of our conference neighbors, other teams that fit in there are conveniently teams that Syracuse has to play next year, which include Boston College at 71.
01:05:56
Who's going through a lot of transition and Syracuse gets nice and early in the season, Georgia Tech rebuilding they were.
01:06:03
They had some dangerous moments, but they are still going through a lot of overhaul their 58th on the list on 58th on the list.
01:06:11
But they're returning second, the second most production in the country, Right said.
01:06:17
It's and then 60 seconds NC State, which I think the larger point that I'm trying to drive that is that If certainly I'm not saying saying that Syracuse goes eating for based off of their schedule.
01:06:29
What I am saying is that there's a very clear path here to six wins.
01:06:33
The margins are probably closer than we want to admit that they are.
01:06:37
I think this team sealing a seven wings, not eight wins and I think they're floors probably four wins, not six wins.
01:06:44
But I do think that the percentages, if you will get talent away from S and P if you just kind of remove those empty calories and you look at what Syracuse is going to be replacing those that they lost with like they're going to be upgrading in a lot of areas.
01:07:00
I think that you can see a six win team with this with this non conference schedule.
01:07:06
Yeah, and I know I brought it up in the slack, but I'm thinking personally five and seven being the floor and 84 being the top end.
01:07:17
Um, not really anything empirical behind that, but more of a gut.
01:07:23
I looking at this schedule if we don't win five games than some wheels, drastically fell off of some sort of train, right? And I don't think that's out of the question.
01:07:34
Seeing that DeVito hasn't had a non injury plagued season yet, could I Don't I do not.
01:07:41
You know, I don't think any of us are very high on the backups.
01:07:44
And so you know, part of the reason that we're saying that Syracuse should be better is that their quarterback, who's was pretty highly ranked as a recruit, is now going to have his second full season with no transition with, you know, a lot of the same coaching staff coming back in place.
01:08:00
But he's also never been healthy and hopefully having a improved offensive line should keep him healthier, which would be quite nice the ability to have him actually in there for, you know, X number of snaps this year would be phenomenal.
01:08:18
Yes, So I mean, last year he played most of the snaps, and that was with no ribs.
01:08:25
So we'll see how it goes.
01:08:27
I mean, it is what it is.
01:08:31
We as long as we don't have to, like, rely on David Sommers to start every game, Then we should be serviceable, right? Eso if Syracuse goes for know when their nonconference schedule, which I think is very attainable, um, you then have to win two of at Boston College home versus Georgia Tech at Wake Forest vs NC State and at Hit to get to six wins.
01:08:59
I don't I don't think that that's a large.
01:09:02
Ask if everything is healthy and everything goes right, because those teams are all dealing with their own unique challenges and all kind of in that middle and blob of the 50 the 60th ranked teams that we think Syracuse should be in.
01:09:18
Yeah, that sounds right.
01:09:19
I mean, it's it's Syracuse.
01:09:23
So you could see what I mean.
01:09:26
If we don't start for no, something's drastically wrong again.
01:09:30
Yes, on then that Louisville games.
01:09:32
Just gonna come in and people are gonna get hyped for it, right? That will be the standard.
01:09:38
I don't want to call it the standard bearer, but like the usual, everyone gets way too hyped when Sir Hugh starts off hot and then just get smacked in the face, and then we get a nice bye week.
01:09:51
Hopefully, you know, if again.
01:09:53
Oh, wait, that's it.
01:09:54
Don't never mind.
01:09:55
Um, so w against liberty? Yep.
01:09:58
Get tossed around by Clemson again.
01:10:00
So we go, you know, tossed around, toss someone around, tossed around again.
01:10:05
Uh, Georgia Tech.
01:10:07
You'd never know.
01:10:08
It's it.
01:10:09
The dome.
01:10:10
So put us on it on then.
01:10:12
That week. Yeah.
01:10:13
All right.
01:10:15
The more anti the problem is, the more I see the schedule.
01:10:17
The more I talked myself into.
01:10:18
There's no way we can't win six games, but, I mean, we can't do anything right.
01:10:24
We've shown that so.
01:10:27
But yeah, um, I think as we get closer and closer, um, this is gonna be the constant refrain.
01:10:36
It's gonna be the same thing that we talked about this year.
01:10:38
It's gonna come down to those that middle that low end middle of the coldest act of the A C. C.
01:10:45
That Syracuse has to go up against a Boston college, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State and you could throw a pin in there.
01:10:51
But it's at Pittsburgh.
01:10:52
I'm just We're already writing it off as a loss.
01:10:54
I don't know what it is about that city, but every time I go there, whatever sport it is just doesn't work out right.
01:11:00
And it's really unfortunate.
01:11:01
Believe you personally.
01:11:02
I mean, you should blame me.
01:11:03
Are Syracuse's record versus Pittsburgh Since I went to Syracuse has been abysmal, as my family likes.
01:11:10
Remind me.
01:11:11
Uh, bye.
01:11:12
You know that it serves to just go three and two against against those teams.
01:11:18
I think, sir, I think there's a bowl game in there.
01:11:22
There's probably seven wins on the season, and everybody feels good works for May.
01:11:27
Yeah, football in February.
01:11:30
Yeah, so now I'd say, uh, I'd say, you know, for a down week that hit things up pretty good.
01:11:38
Well, I'm sure that we're gonna have more next week as we talk, because Syracuse will play two very important basketball games and we will have a much better idea where that team stands, lacrosse will keep winning, and we'll keep saying That's a good thing and we'll wait for whatever We're in something from football breaks this week because there was always something guarantee a peaceful fall guaranteed.
01:12:01
I'm mentally going into this week thinking it's gonna be super easy.
01:12:04
We don't worry about anything.
01:12:05
We're going to get some something absolutely crazy.
01:12:08
Probably.
01:12:09
Um, I know this.
01:12:11
I can say that the spring game and whatever the spring game entails is going to be interesting and weird, and we're gonna want to talk about it.
01:12:17
Well, yeah, especially without the fact they can hold in the dome.
01:12:20
So we'll see what? That where that does exactly.
01:12:23
It's gonna It's gonna make things definitely interesting.
01:12:26
And Syracuse is going to do something different.
01:12:29
All I know is, if they do something press only like in pencil or something, I need to make sure that I get on that, because why there? Why so cool? Uh, anything else from you? Ready? Uh, no.
01:12:46
Uh, if you haven't read house powers of X or any of the new expense stuff in Marvel because I just I just had to re read it for work.
01:12:55
And it's zip.
01:12:57
Oh, it is so good.
01:12:58
Gotta love it.
01:13:00
Uh, we've never had a Castillo down that rabbit hole.
01:13:03
I know where this is.
01:13:04
Slowly turning little marble block. Oh, yeah.
01:13:07
100%.
01:13:08
So already? Yeah.
01:13:11
Court go orange.
01:13:13
Definitely for ah, for Andy. Pregnant.
01:13:15
I'm Steve Taylor and Gorge.

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