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Good morning, everybody.
And welcome to FBC Radio Live.
We're back after a Rockets three day weekend.
We had to take an extra day off after the debut of the XFL.
Because, as we all know, the X stands for Well, actually don't really know.
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And I would I would feel wrong tone giving you guys misinformation, But no, we had Monday off, and we're really excited to be back here.
So without further d'oh, it's time to bring on he is.
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Thank you, everyone for, um, for your patients yesterday.
Is Ian said? Yeah, Rockets weekend Personal moment for me yesterday, but definitely back at it and happy to be back at it because we have a lot to talk about, including the ax.
And you know what? We're going to start right there, because again, you said it.
We have a lot to talk about.
I don't even know if we're gonna get to everything I want to talk about today.
But that's the good thing about having a show Monday through Friday.
His Well, we'll just pick up where we left off tomorrow morning.
So, um, I do want to start with the XFL because we did obviously just get through the first weekend for the second time.
Ah, an XFL history.
And there was no dislocated shoulders on the kickoff, so that was That's a good start.
Um, I do want to talk to on the XFL.
Ah, we spent a lot of time talking about Mookie Betts last week.
The saga is finished.
We will talk about that and some other interesting tidbits out of major League baseball.
Um, you know when Before since the last time we've been on the air, there's been a, uh, Wall Street Journal article written about that very in a lot of detail about the Astros sign stealing.
Um ah, situation.
There's obviously some more details that kind of look a little bit more favorite favorably to a former Red Sox manager.
We're gonna talk about that, and hopefully we're going to try to wrap this all up in this episode.
But I have a feeling that we're not so, um so yeah, let's let's jump into it.
XFL, Um, right off the bat, right off the bat, I was impressed.
I enjoyed watching the football as a lifelong Tampa Bay Vipers fan, though I was very disappointed, and, um, you know, it was Ah, it was a lot of pretty good football.
I think there was some, um, some rust early on, obviously.
I mean, some of these guys.
I mean, you know, you haven't thrown, you know, talking about some of these quarterbacks haven't known passes since 2014 or haven't won a game in five years.
So there's gonna be some noticeable rust with some of these players.
And of course, you know that the whole idea that you're all playing together for the first time ever in a actual competition, you know, not just practice, not just training camp or any of that other nonsense.
This is actual real game action.
And look, I I enjoyed the product.
I thought the XFL, you know, again there's something we can compare it to, and that's the first version.
And again, we're both old enough to to have very vivid memories of that first version of the XFL.
You know, we're we're not just living it through the through the eyes of the E s p m 30 for 30 Like I sat on my couch and watched kickoff XFL weekend 2001 and I remember it very vividly.
This had a whole different feel to it.
It had a much more professional football field to it, and again that a lot of that has to do with the product on the field.
I mean, you can't You can't fake football from a production value can.
You can put all this pizazz and flashing this into the production.
But at the end of the day, if you're not getting a good product on the field, it's all gonna fall flat.
I thought the XFL gave us both this weekend and a lot of very intriguing differences between how they how their rules are versus the NFL, which I think are already kind of sticking out to a lot of people.
So, like, I gotta ask you, what was your impression and how much did you catch in the XFL this weekend? I caught a good amount of it, and also as a life long D C defenders.
You know, I'm pretty good about myself right now, you know.
Come on out how it's well gauge himself, taking snaps under center for the D. C defenders.
The man that I covered tirelessly when I had the beat for the Los Angeles Chargers Cardale Jones? Um, no, all kidding aside.
I mean, they're a couple of former Patriots on that roster as well.
I want to make that Nick Bro set Scooby Wright also on the roster for the D C defenders, But no, in all actuality and all kidding aside, I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of what I saw.
I think at this point in time, you could make the argument that Vincent Van got it right.
I think he really realized that the focus needs to be on football.
But the theatrics aside, Ah, take the sideshow out of what's going to happen and you will get serious, you know, feedback.
And you will get serious fans that are willing to to come out and to ah, not only watch the product on television but also come out and support the product in person.
In attendance was very good.
Television ratings were very good, so you have to see if it's going to sustain that now.
A lot of that is curiosity.
First weekend without football yada yada, you got all that to contend with.
But ultimately I think this is gonna be a good fit for ah professional football and at the very least it extends the game for a few months, and I think anybody that's a football fan is all for that.
What stood out to me, The Kickoffs.
I thought the kickoff was was brilliant.
They lined the teams up only five yards apart from one another, had more of a line of scrimmage type feel.
I think the fact that they're incentivizing.
If that's a word, I think that isn't it. I think that's a word.
But like that, they're making contact Webster's absolutely.
We'll contact Webster.
We'll get back to you folks.
But the fact that they're making an incentive out of returning as opposed to either having a touchback or kneel down or things of that nature, I think this is good for the game.
I think in terms of watch, I think it's definitely, um you know, a great amount.
I actually was pretty impressed by their scoring replay and how they work that.
I think they actually think the NFL could actually take a little bit of a page out of there, a lot of the honest exactly and then be able to do that.
I think they have a real level of transparency that's not available in the NFL, and really, I think a lot of that has been a frustration for NFL fans for a while.
That's one of the big pieces of feedback that I, you know, got from a lot of fans that were watching the exit fell over the weekend and, you know, ultimately those those are the types of things that stood out to me.
Um, you know, I mean, you make the you could make the argument about the conversion, and I think a lot of people are looking at this because that's basically with the exception of the kickoff, that's basically one of the glaring changes that the XFL has made from the NFL.
And you know, they have the place from the to the five of the 10 yard line.
That's a great idea, I think, for excitement set the league apart from the NFL.
But at the same time, I think the level of play needs to be amped up or this is gonna get old really quick.
There are only seven of 19 conversions with four successful one pointers and 32 pointers.
So and no one attempted a three point, which I was really surprised.
I figured that at least one would do that over the weekend.
But at at this point, I love it in concept.
But the execution is gonna have to be better in order for that to really stick out as something that makes the XFL unique.
But other than that, that's my long winded way of telling you what I liked, what I didn't And uh, yeah, I think it's, Ah, I think it was a successful weekend overall for the XFL.
Yeah, I'd say that.
They clearly ah looked at what the NFL had to offer.
Listen to what the NFL fans have said and what the NFL has tried to do in terms of safety, because I think, look, traditionally, I would obviously ah, love the, you know, to keep the kick off the way it used to be before the NFL moved it back.
So backs, Um, but I understand that you're trying to make the game safer.
And if that's the case, if it's not, you know, if that's the focus, then I really love the way the XFL did this because they've accomplished both.
They've been they've managed to to eliminate the high impact, high velocity hits that often come with special teams that have led to a lot of, you know, obviously head injuries and stuff like that.
And they've also made it, too.
So it's not pointless.
And there's actual There's an actual ah, intrigue to kick offs, and I love that about this league Do again.
Like I said, if I had my preference, I'd much rather than just traditionally.
But again, that's that's not a knock on the XFL.
That's just the XFL being innovative and really going outside the box to try to figure out this problem because I feel like the NFL was just like, Oh, we'll just move the kickoff up, you know? They're just like, Okay, whatever ended the meeting, let's figure out how to do this.
And, um, you know, again, I think this is the XFL.
Really, uh, it did.
It did a good thing here.
Now I'm still intrigued.
Like you said, I'm intrigued about the extra point.
And for those of you watching on on SportsCastr right now, the motion behind me is I have um, cats going crazy, uh, cattle, everything around me, folks.
So, um, if it comes crashing down, don't panic the world.
It's just cats behind me fighting.
So, um, but yes.
So anyways, Thea Well, the only way you have to worry about it coming crashing down is when it comes crashing down.
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Now, Uh, man, look, I'm glad I'm glad you brought up a great point about Vince.
It looks like he's obviously learned from from past mistakes, although again like it if, you know, if each team, like, picked one like classic wrestling entranced our song to come out to, like each week, that would be like the only connection like that would see that would be awesome.
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What do you think would be the ah, the D C defenders theme song? Ah, well, you go with the mood of ah d c.
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You know what? Yeah, the doink the clown thing could actually work pretty well for the Tampa Bay Vipers.
I think about it because it was kind of a very, very clownish.
I was really referring not really to the team on the field.
I was really referring more to the mood of D. C.
And, you know, it looks occupying our epicenters of government.
Namely, you know, the White House and Capitol Hill.
But, you know, that's I think that that's a good Well, you know what? Will digress.
Well, you're not gonna make this political today.
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Um, yeah, yeah, whatever we're talking about before it's it's been lost.
I've never 01 thing I do want to bring up and then some something I love.
It was the transparency.
Was transparency amazing when it came to tea to reviews toe discussions to everything like I like hearing the place.
I do kind of wonder how how much the players and the coaches actually like that aspect of it.
You know what I mean? Where everything's miked up I understand it's a great entertainment thing.
I don't know if the players air.
Actually, you know, all gung ho about that.
I mean, can you imagine Bill Bell check ever agreeing to something like that? Absolutely.
God, no, from a fan standpoint.
I mean, it's it's fun.
It's fun to listen to.
It's fun to watch.
Uh, I mean get you know, you kind of get that insight.
Yeah, yeah, that's right, Macho man, that's right.
And again, you get to hear in the way they have everything set up to is, you know, all the all the offense of players have have had, you know, ear pieces.
So they hear the play.
So there's no there's no time.
You know, I'm not saying wasted, but time spent, you know, communicating from you, no one, from coach to quarterback to player.
Ah, in this kind of goes in line with their 25 2nd play clock.
But when it comes to transparency, whether it's replay review Ah, challenge is anything like that. I love it.
I thought they did a fantastic job of that this weekend.
They really did to me.
I think from a fan standpoint, it's It's remarkable.
It really is, you know, have that type of insight and tow have that type of eyes in the in the actual play calling and the actual, you know, were inner workings of the field, even just the endgame interviews.
I mean, it's just there's a lot of transparency in terms of what the fan experience is.
Ah, well, you know, with with regard to the XFL, I think a lot of that is by design.
I think that's how they're trying to separate themselves from the NFL on making an alternative products, not one that competes, but just an alternative.
Something different and something to kind of, you know, make them unique in a lot of ways you mentioned Bill Pavlicek.
I was thinking of that this weekend.
It was funny that you brought that up.
I was like their there.
I can't even imagine the death stare the reporter is gonna get finally, like as a charity toe.
Ask Bill Belichick about the XFL on about that type of because you know it's coming.
Oh, Adam, one will on.
I have my thoughts on some of my colleagues in the media up here about who that someone just might be and the Yeah, could be it.
Very well, 50 up very well could be.
But in any case, the person that does ask him about that is yeah, they're going to get the stare of death like you can't imagine.
Ah, but no, I can not imagine Bilbo Checker Really a lot of the NFL head coaches agreeing to something like that.
I can't imagine opening their, uh, use the terminology that we know here.
Well, in doing on opening their world up to the fan experience, I think is not something that, especially old school coaches are gonna be willing to dio.
But it's a changing of the guard, different type of feels, so we'll see how it ends up working out.
I do think that might be an adjustment, though, for the XFL.
I think right now it's going along well because the fans were liking it.
But eventually I think there is going to become a point where it becomes a liability for coaches for players play calling.
I think it's gonna be much more problematic as a result of this, especially as we get to 34 weeks in, so you might see some tweaks of this.
And I think that's something that'll be revisited in their off season.
But based on what we saw in the initial weekend, I don't think this is headed for a first year folds.
I think the XFL is at least got one more year left in it.
I mean, we'll see what happens.
But I believe they've got something here.
And I think, uh, I think Vince McMahon in the brain trust with the XFL know that well, And look, we talked about this last week prior to kickoff weekend, and one of the huge advantage is that the XFL has is the financial backing and security that they f didn't have.
I mean, when when you're looking for outside investors in the middle of the season Ah, you're in a lot of financial issues.
And on top of that of not only has Vince, you know, committed the money, he's committed it for three years.
So there there's, Ah, there's a budget for this league that's already in place.
This isn't we're trying to find investors, and then on top of that, they have a far better TV deal.
to get more eyes on it.
Because we saw last last year.
They f got off to a a great start, you know, a lot of success.
But, you know, obviously the viewership never reached that number again, and it kind of plummeted after that.
Because not only were they not as accessible for everyone else, I mean, they had games on, like CBS SportsLine and all these other you know, more, uh, pay for network channels.
As opposed to what the what the XFL has, which is Fox, ABC, ESPN.
Like, I mean, that's that's that's legit.
And you're gonna get more eyes on the product in that sense.
So, um, we're gonna take a quick break here just just a minute or two.
Ah, go to ah, you know, we gotta pay the bills on the podcast all left on stuff, but, uh, we're gonna take a quick break.
Don't go anywhere. Ah, we will be back.
We're gonna talk some mochi.
Bess, allay some other major league baseball stuff.
And ah, anything that ever you know, happens to cross our mind.
So stay tuned, folks.
We'll be right back Way are back.
And yes, This is the official theme song of That's right.
You're Tampa Bay Vipers and you welcome out the three point.
Okay, I'm disappointed in the loss.
Everyone I know all you like those fans out there.
You know it'll come.
There's gotta turn around one game of time Next, you know, onto actually don't know who they're playing next week.
So I can't say who you know on to D.
Hope Maybe we should check that out because you know, we'll have a little rivalry game here, but no, we're quick before we move on to Mookie Betts and Major League Baseball, because I really do want to dive into this because it has been an absolute mess this whole week.
One thing the XFL apparently is doing is is taking their product very seriously because we, after one week, have already added firing, um, defensive coordinator Pepper Johnson.
Yes, that's right, folks, New England fans are very familiar with that name.
He spent a significant amount of time with ah, the Patriots coaching staff up until I believe I think it was 13 4014.
And of course he has been a long time.
Or at least he has been with Belle, Bill Belichick for quite some time.
L a fired him after week one, which, I mean, that's what this is to me, that shocking.
And I you know, Look, I feel I feel bad for her because, you know, he's a good guy. Obviously.
Um ah, good Coach, I don't under, you know, I don't understand that the quick pull unless there's, you know, some other information that we don't know about.
But, um, yeah, a little bit strange to say the least.
Yeah, I was a little surprised by that as well, considering that just a few weeks ago I spoke with Patricia Trainer, who covers the New York Giants for locked on Giants and for Sports Illustrated, and we had a little bit of a back and forth.
And obviously, the conversation always leads to the synergy between the Giants and New England.
Obviously, there's a connection between both teams, and she had mentioned him as a possible defensive staff member coming on to help out Joe Judge when he was hired and I actually agreed with her.
I thought it was a pretty smart move.
I said, Well, you know, there's a lot of familiarity there.
He knows the New England system.
He knows the giant system in the organization, so this could be a logical fit.
I was really surprised to see Ah, the the plug pulled after one game.
So they're obviously is a level of, ah, of excellence or a level of I guess, service, I guess that the best way to put it, um, a level of competition that these guys were expected to meet.
And if they're not meeting it, they're gonna have a quick pull.
Now you did mention if there's Annie, anything lurking behind the scenes that we don't know about and I don't believe you.
So Pepper Johnson has always had a good reputation.
I have never known him to be anything other than an upstanding, you know, individuals.
So I I would probably venture to guess that's not the case, but you never actually know for sure.
So you know, I mean, if there is, I guess it'll come out within the coming days.
But yeah, that was a little bit of an eye opener for me to see him out of a job so quickly.
But, you know, again, that's the XFL.
It's the way they're doing things.
And, you know, they're setting the tone early, and they're letting people know that they're not just a sideshow for NFL fans to make fun of until the combine and training camp and things like that open.
They want this to be a viable alternative that people who are NFL fans can tune in and get their football fixed deep into April, just in time to see ah, there.
NFL teams come back into, ah, focus and start the season once again.
No and yeah, And look, maybe this is a blessing in disguise because maybe it does open the door for him to go to the Giants.
Or look, maybe he comes back to the Patriots, a couple openings on that defensive staff that you know that the life you save a position he filled in the past.
So, um, you know, as the linebackers and defensive line coach, so you know, you never know.
And again it's it's unfortunate especially, you know, toe have that as your you know, your first.
Ah, you know, your first Ah, firing in the history.
Yeah, Like I said, it's It's part of the game and these coaches realize that it's just it's hard to.
It's hard to really separate the human from the from the product and the you know what people expect from the job, and you know, it is what it is and you know, hopefully for him.
He lands on his feet.
So, um, one of the things we've spent a lot of time with talking about last week and it's been kind of just like, ongoing saga, it feels like, and it got really, really tiresome.
Very quickly was the Mookie Betts, the L A trade, which was finally finally completed after the original deal was next and then repackage.
So ultimately, what the Red Sox got in return was Alex Verdugo, shortstop Jeter Downs and catcher Connor Wong for David Price.
Mookie Betts and, uh, the agreeing the agreement to pay half of what David Price makes, which is half a 96 million.
So Ah, what? 48 million? I'm doing the math, correct? Probably not.
No, that's right. I'm I'm smart like that.
Uh, I think we all there's a glimmer of hope.
Um, and I thought I was I was ready to come in here on Monday, you know, assuming this trade didn't finally get completed and and pound the desk that the Red Sox should just bite the bullet and call.
And I actually did kind of say this last week that, you know, they should just bite the bullet and call movies bluff and not trade him.
And I said, I still kind of think it was foolish for them to move on.
And And I wanna I wanna put it in a nice And this is this is the mind set that I'm looking at.
Well, you know, as a Red Sox fan, as someone who follows this team and is frustrated despite the success that they've had, our friend Chris Blacky put it perfectly.
They're willing to go out and pay the likes of guys like Pablo Sandoval, Carl Crawford and just throw heaps of money at these guys.
But they can't re sign guys like Jon Lester and Mookie Betts, and that's why I think ultimately, the root of the frustration is for myself and for a lot of Red Sox fans, because they look at this.
Like, you know, you're sitting us sitting here feeding us a bunch of, you know, mumbo jumbo about Oh, we want to get under the salary cap.
We can't afford this.
We can't afford that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Well, the reason you can't do that is because you so foolishly threw money at other players and have continued to pay the price and look pun intended there gonna be paying the price for several more years under the David Price contract.
So in a way, they actually don't.
Yeah, you like that? I I I I didn't even write that down.
It just it came naturally.
Um, but yeah, Look, it's it's frustrating to watch this ownership team operate, and I don't think we're And I'm not putting this on, Bloom.
I think he was given Ah, tough wrapped after deal with this.
And I think ultimately he got the best possible package he could get.
So this is not on him.
This is about ownership on how they've handled things and look no further than their statement yesterday.
I mean, John Henry wasn't even there.
Like what? You just you just traded your French.
You know, you want your your your best homegrown franchise players in team history.
And you, you know, you're not even gonna show up for a press conference.
You're gonna release a statement and that that shows you everything you need to know about.
Ah, you know, just what this ownership values or what they really are motivated by.
And it's dollars and cents.
And it's not necessarily the fan base is not necessarily ah, winning.
I mean, they can get enough winning across the pond.
You know, enough money across the pond as well and spend all you know what I mean.
So to me, it just it speaks volumes.
Ah, so what this ownership is and where they are currently, And it's just imagine I don't want to paint this picture.
But the scenario that Tom Brady moves on to another team and they decide that, you know, we're gonna we're gonna have a press conference to announce it.
Do you think Robert Kraft isn't not You know isn't going to show up? Is he gonna just released a statement saying, Oh, yeah, well, we appreciate Tom's, you know, work what? He's put improbable the law, but it was best to move on.
No, absolutely not.
He'll be there right next to him.
Bill Bell check will be right there.
You know, maybe if the Red Sox had a manager, they would have been at that press conference yesterday.
But who knows? You know, it's it's you're frustrated and I can sense that.
And believe me, I'm just as frustrated as you are.
I mean, you asked the question before about, you know, the and I think that's a great point made by Chris A.
The fact that they can throw money at external free agents.
But all of a sudden, when it comes to re signing their own homegrown talent, all of a sudden the checkbook starts to shrink a little bit.
What he was saying there, there, there a whole toh puckers up tighter than a snare drum.
I believe five orders have come through my have walked the halls here in my time.
And anyways, Shashank, I don't want to get back to you know what? We could go on a whole rabbit hole with Shawshank and, you know, one of these days we will do that.
I think that that movie deserves its show, folks.
I mean, really just be the amount of, you know, just amazing acting.
You know, Vir, be ege scripting just everything.
So you know what? We'll save that for another day, but that was that was very nice.
There's another nice drop in, um, in case it really pains me to say this, but you're looking at an ownership group in the Henry ownership group of the Boston Red Sox that are very reactionary.
And I'm sorry to say that they are a reactionary.
They look to see primarily what the team in the Bronx is doing, and they feel that they have to make that competition and make that that to them, I think is more important than the fact that the team wins on the field.
I think they want that competition between the two of you know entities in order to I don't want to say make themselves relevant because the Sox are relevant on their own with the, you know, the play they had on the field.
But that's a very big moneymaker.
The Red Sox Yankees rivalry is a very big money maker.
I mean, you know, you have you know, you know Tom Warner coming out and saying it, you know, enchanting Yankees suck.
I mean, you know, these are things that, you know, ownership groups usually don't any You don't see Robert Kraft going out there and chanting and ah, you know J E.
T at suck suck suck.
You know, I'm sure he'd like to, but he doesn't do that.
This is a little bit different in AA baseball, and I think you're seeing that with the Red Sox ownership group.
They will spend when they feel that their backs are up against the wall because they feel they have to compete with the moves that are being made by other teams.
With a guy like Mookie Betts, all of a sudden, it becomes, well, he's internal, so that's where we could shave our money.
And we can do this and we can kind of take a step back and be able to not invest, because this is ultimately our goal.
Our goal was to be competitive every year, and our goal is to make sure that we're, you know, putting out a product that people will rally around.
The problem is that the fan base is getting sick of that, and you're going to see that you've seen that already.
We've seen tons of people on Social Media claim that they're going to boycott the Red Sox.
I think that's a big mistake.
I actually think this team's gonna be better than people think this year.
I was looking at their lineup yesterday, and it doesn't look too bad.
Folks, even with Mookie Betts removed from now, Lina, they still have a lot of pop in a lot of guys that can get on base and maybe be that type of sleeper type.
You know, team that has a better season than people think.
So don't quite give up on the Red Sox just yet.
But as far as the ownership group, yeah, they've got a lot to prove to this fan base that they're in it to win it.
I don't think a lot of people believe that right now.
Yeah, and And look, I'm one of them.
You know, I have I followed this team for a very long time.
I have never got the same sense from this ownership group.
They just seem out of touch with, you know, with the actual fan base for the most part at least, like just out of touch with reality.
You know, it's just some of the things that decisions that they make.
Just just it's it's just baffling to me.
But, um, you know, again, it is what it is.
And, you know, there are folks out there that are already ah, working the well, you know, they traded Mookie Bet only to be able to afford to sign him when he becomes a free agent at the end of the year.
Maybe maybe we're you know, a year from now we'll be talking about one of the greatest ah heights ever as the Red Sox come off a world Siris and and re signed Mookie Betts.
But no, that's probably not gonna happen.
And ah, I I would like to share team, but I I got to see the product on the field because again, the last memory for me was was something that was a little little bit lackluster.
And look for those who are looking for some silver lining.
Um, the nationals let Bryce Harper walk year before last.
What did they do? Well, they went out won a World Series.
One of things that you know I'm hesitant about is well, the like.
I mentioned the reflex.
Still don't have a manager.
Um, I feel like, yeah, that's a problem like that.
I can't sugarcoat.
That's a problem.
And I know Ron Roenicke E is the guy that everybody is assuming is gonna take this job, But we haven't heard anything official yet.
And, um, pitchers and catchers 11 of the things supposed to report.
I mean, it's our right in front of me, but where there are already heading down already heading down to Fort Myers.
I mean, the staff's already there again.
We know the truck is there.
Yeah, they had a whopping three people on Lansdowne Street that turned out thio me that, uh, that truck leave, it's ah, that's becoming less and less of a thing.
Uh, yeah, like I don't know where those of you that are in the Boston area.
That is actually the departure of the equipment truck from Fenway Park as it makes its trip down to Fort Myers, Florida.
Is, um it's a thing here in Boston and they never really understood it to be honest with you.
People would camp out, and they, you know, have like a little like block party and celebrate the leaving of the truck.
Now, keep in mind that few, if any, players have ever actually showed up at this.
Management generally does, and it's basically just watching.
The Fenway staff will do a great job.
They do a phenomenal job, their equipment team and what not.
They stopped the truck, and then the truck just drives away.
That's gotten a lot less and less, I think, since the Patriots and the socks, you know themselves.
Ah, the Bruins and the Celtics started winning championships.
People realized they'd rather show up for a victory parade rather than show up to see an equipment truck drive away.
So that's when I say Truck Day and the three people.
Yeah, they had a very, very thin crowd this year for that departure, especially after the way the season ended last year.
Camp Lehman? No, you said God.
I'm glad you brought that up.
You know, educate the listeners out there that aren't necessarily familiar with the with the with the world.
That is the Boston Red Sox and what they do and all that, all that stuff.
But I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox start selling tickets to Truck Day.
That the kind of you know, special truck day promotion show up and pay us $60.
That's set outside in the cold.
And watch what you could buy a replica truck with your name emblazoned on its were only 89 95 Maur and receive your replica truck day pin that you can wear wherever you like.
Who wins? Whatever.
But So anyway, the Red Sox don't have a manager, and I do find some of this pretty peculiar because I don't know.
And I mentioned this before we got on the air.
But the Wall Street Journal on ah versus date here.
I don't have a date.
Maybe you don't.
Yeah, on the seventh on Friday.
I believe it was Friday.
Seventh? Yeah, that makes sense.
Um, published an article talking that really went in depth about the Astros sign stealing and and shenanigans that they've gone through.
And, um, it was pretty eye opening.
Let's just put it this way.
This is everything people wanted spy gate to be like This is what people think Spy Gate was and what you know people hoped.
Or your pretend to think the NFL did with with the Patriots and the information they got everything in.
This is so far over.
What you know, the information, our stuff.
They found out about the Patriots.
I don't know how if you had a chance to read through the whole thing, but, um, it was it was pretty eye opening to the point that the ultimate conclusion to all this was that it was the Astros front office, not Alex score.
Not the players that began this system began this Ah ah, history of cheating.
I love using that word now that it's not throwing that one team in particular.
But this whole ah diabolical scheme Thio decipher pitching signals are pitch signs and all that stuff.
Ah, it was implemented by the front office staff.
And from my impression, Jeff Lou, now the former general manager who has denied all culpability and has basically played the naive, um, role in all this.
It was was a again I got.
I'm starting to think that maybe again, the Red Sox might have a gun without score.
Because this, by all accounts, seems who Well, first off, the article doesn't mention Alec or once in any of this, which is, if you're talking about the details of how this all came about, you would think that the quote unquote mastermind, the one who orchestrated it from a coaching standpoint, a k a Alex score, would be a mentioned at least once.
And he was not, um it all started with a power point presentation that evolved from Hey, we're gonna be able to, ah, basically record signs and read them, really? Them quick enough so that people can decipher them throughout the game and eventually turned into Oh, we're just gonna put a TV screen in the dugout and it's just gonna evolve from there And the ah, the existence and the and the growth of this system, as they called it the dark arts quote unquote is what they called it.
Code breaker Waas put in place and in and ran concurrently with the Astros success so you could drive a direct correlation with their ah regular season and postseason success to the implementation of this.
And ultimately it looks like again the impression that I get is the Red Sox might have jumped the gun with Alex score, and I feel like more more of this is going to, um I'm actually surprised this hasn't caught more fire than what it actually has.
But then again, it's baseball in the football, and it's, you know, the Astros. Enough. The Patriots.
I think you said this perfectly.
And again, this is I I can't tell you how happy I am to hear you sum this up by saying this is what people wanted spy Gate to be.
This is what they believed spy gate to be.
And anybody that actually knows what Spy Gate was knows that this wasn't even a fraction of what went on here.
But I do believe that the Red Sox may have jumped the gun when it comes to Alex Cora as well.
And I was a proponent of the move that they made.
I thought they need the right move.
At the time, I thought this was something that they needed to distance themselves from him.
It looked like he was the central figure, you know, obviously the connection between the Astros organization and then the Red Sox organization and you see the both of them coming under fire.
And it's so well, what's the common denominator? It was Alex Cora.
It's looking now like this was a lot deeper than anybody ever gave it credit for.
Uh, I'm really surprised this does not have a lot more legs than it does considering that this, you know, absolutely ridiculous ass.
A nine story about what went on in Cleveland this year with filming the Cincinnati sideline continued to get headline after headline after headline on a four letter network and erroneous tweets being put out by, you know, their staff members and their quote unquote journalists that love Thio to stir the pot when there's nothing in it.
This, to me, is something that deserves a lot more credit because you have teams out there that are, I'm sure are doing it the right way and looking at this and saying it is absolutely ridiculous.
This really this needs to be addressed a little bit more seriously than it is.
So, you know, I I don't I don't see the Red Sox reversing their course Encore Right now, I don't think we have enough information for them to do that.
But this article definitely made it seem like maybe there was a rush to judgment there.
And if that's the case, then it is a shame that they had to part ways with a guy that was able to win them a world.
Siris, Um, he had great.
Well, you know, I had a very great report with his players, and that's something that you can't duplicate in managers, especially in Major League Baseball.
It's so easy for there to be a disconnect between the manager and the player.
This is something that when you have that type of relationship, it's tough to recapture.
So it's just unfortunate all the way around.
But I'm glad this article came out because at least it's shedding more light on something that really needs to be nipped in the bud.
Now that I'm glad that they're least addressing this.
Yeah, and look, this is real quick.
This is kind of how it all evolved.
So the code breaker quote unquote I mean, this is this is this is what's so fascinating to me is like, just how much information is in this Just one article that it 13 years and countless a number of articles of speculation have never accomplished with Spy Gate in the NFL. That steps.
The funny thing about this is is like within one week, you know, once, you know, seven page print off.
Ah, enlarged text do***ent.
Um, basically, a puts so much more information out there and so much more nefarious intent.
Let's put it that way.
Then what Spy Gate was because again they got information on what the patriots didn't.
And look, you know, to their credit, they admitted to their like, Look, this is what we do.
I think everyone was like, Yeah, I think most teams do it.
Okay, whatever. Move on.
Um, the Astros, in this case, I mean, they've clearly gone be above and beyond.
There was, uh, apparently, um, you know, meetings in e mails between ah ah, upper management and of course, Jeff Lou.
Now, discussing this one of again, that's it's something that was so far not okay.
Hi, Cat cat joining me right now.
So, um, but yeah, it's basically he in no short ah phrase or term they basically said a were you know, we're doing these things and Jeff and this is the best part about it.
So, Jeff Luna, anytime an email came up, um, talking about, you know, in knows, you know, incredibly specific words, but very clearly they're talking about the dark arts quote unquote.
They use that term a lot.
And all these other things, Uh, basically, Jeff said, Oh, I stopped reading the email because it was long, you know, that was his response. Everything.
Oh, I didn't I didn't read it all.
Oh, you conveniently missed those aspects of it too.
So, to me, it's It's been a, um I'm tryingto I'm killing myself cause I have I have I have this whole thing out, uh, highlighted here.
And then I'm thinking I'm like, you know what? If I highlight half the do***ent, how the hell am I supposed to find out what I'm, um, you know, trying to find, but ah.
All right. So here we go.
Ah, One of the e mails that blue now received.
Ah, you know, it was or is a message on slack.
And those of you who do group business meetings and stuff like that are familiar. Slack.
Ah, it said ah wrote you know, at the dark arts term written in it, and it says lastly, I know the secrets that made us a championship team, some of which he definitely feel a lot safer if they were kept in house.
Ah, Coach West, sir told MLB investigators, and obviously he was part of the staff of the Astros.
And again, these are things that you would never find in any sort of deep dive investigation into Spy Gate.
And this, um oh, here's the other one from August 2017.
Ah, the system are dark arts side Ceiling department has been less productive in the second half as the league has become aware of our reputation.
And now most clubs change their signs a dozen times.
Game um, and then kind of a little bit of a ah jab, he says.
Ah, the struggling teams like the Blue Jays and athletics don't seem to care which that makes sense because the Blue Jays and the athletics and you know this is something Blue now responded with you, said Tom.
This type of right up is very helpful.
And then later, when asked about it, he said, Oh, I didn't read the whole email, so I didn't see that last part.
So again, you know, to me, my impression reading this reading kind of how this all has played out and and even from the get go from the jump, how these guys responded after the fact after they were fired, it kind of seems like like it's a Jeff Luna's playing the, You know, I'm just gonna play the dumb card here.
Oh, I didn't see it.
I didn't see it.
You know, I didn't see it.
I just happened to ignore these sections every single time they came up.
So, um, yeah, this is this is something that it's frustrating in a way, Like you said, I it's not getting the coverage.
It should, um, are released.
Other situations have, from from, Like, you said, the four letter network.
And ah, to me, this is far more nefarious and farm, or this has farm or intent to cir***vent rules.
And then that was ah, key phrases.
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Um, no, but yes.
So, to me, it just this is, It's just it's funny that none of this stuff gets talked about her.
It seems like it's been swept under the rug.
It absolutely does.
And I think a little in a lot of ways.
You hit all the key points that you needed to. It's not the NFL.
It's not the New England Patriots.
There's not agenda to vilify a franchise and make them out to be villains, because it's convenient for the other fan bases that watch your network that wanted ate this team.
You want to feel the fire, you want to make it.
You don't want to make it more than what it is in a situation like this, there's really not that motivation.
So that's why you're not going to see the story.
Have legs that spy gate or Deflate gate or Cincinnati Gate or, you know, are ah B s gate. I guess there's another.
Will you wait a helmet? You know, communicating like exactly wireless communication.
Still, Yeah, exactly.
I remember Foggy preseason game where people tried to say that Bill, ba*****t of the Jumbotron Gate.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly.
Although you have a CVS seen Jumbotron is pointed at directly because no one else can see that.
Now that's all on Conley on Lee in the arena on Lee. Bill Belichick.
Possibly be able to decipher that and have that over there.
There's there's no one else that could see it.
But whatever you know, it's just it's, it's, it's It's gut wrenching and nausea hating, you know, to think about.
But bottom line is, there's not that motivation to vilify the sport to vilify the franchise.
So that's why you're not going then what we've ever seen from anything regarding by gate or anything.
So you know, to that nature, this was done with specific intent, and they achieve their goals as a result of it, and it does cloud some of their their achievements.
I'm sorry to say it, because this definitely gave them a competitive advantage beyond, you know, beyond any ah, you know, shadow of a doubt.
So, yeah, it's just it's disheartening, I guess.
There's a Patriots fans a look at this and say that this is not covered as it should be.
But at the same time, I'm not surprised in the least.
Yeah, No, I'm I'm certainly not surprised? Not at all.
And again, you know, a couple years from now, when when people are trying to draw comparisons to some nefarious, so are sketchy acts from some sort of team in any way for it.
They're gonna obviously go to the Patriots and not the Astros.
I mean, that's just how it's going to be.
And and again, I don't think it's a fair comparison, because again, this article lays out farm or information that you've ever gotten than what you got out of Spy Gate.
I mean, all you got no spy Gate is just endless speculation, uh, supported by more speculation.
That's essentially what it is.
And at some point, you just you're running around chasing your tail because a you can't disprove what isn't true.
Yeah, if that makes sense, you know what I'm saying? You can't disprove a hypothetical.
That's probably better.
Better way to do it.
And that's that's kind of how, um, how these arguments tend tend to go with the Patriots, is you're gonna throw out something that's completely hypothetical that you can't you can't prove, but also I can't disprove, because again, can I prove that MIA again stealing some from South Park that God's a flying spaghetti monster.
No, I can't disprove that.
But no, come on, you know.
You know what I mean? Like it's it's a It's a flawed argument, and it's ah, it's a flawed attempt at winning an argument that it's used quite often, especially in the Twitter world.
It's it's, you know, that you logic doesn't have any part in arguments anymore.
But again, I I digress a little bit, Uh, so again, it's not gonna get the play that it does.
I I did bring it up, obviously, for that reason and two, because again, I think this sheds a different light on Alex core and kind of what we viewed.
Ah, this situation when it originally came out because you can you can make the easy connections and, you know, we obviously bought into it as well, you know? Okay, well, there's one common denominator between the two teams.
The docks score.
Ah, Alex score was said to be the the quote unquote ringleader among the players.
It was, you know, the original dates.
This is kind of like Thea, you know, 11 of 12 balls were under deflated.
It was like, Oh, well, they were saying, No, it just ran from 2017 and stopped in the playoffs.
And then it didn't happen in 2018.
Well, now all of a sudden, we're learning that it was implemented in 2016 before Alex score and ran post Alex score.
So now all of a sudden, you go wait a minute.
The date, the time line.
Kind of, You know, it doesn't line up from what we originally thought, because, you know, when you when you look at it like Okay, well, that this this ah scheme ran during the exact same time that Alex score was there.
And then it stopped.
Okay, Now that adds to it.
Well, then, of course, you know, Alex core must have had a huge hand in this, but wait a minute.
Now you're telling me that it was there before and after he was there? All of a sudden that changes the tone of it.
It changes everything in again.
Um, when? When? When you spend Ah, I don't know how many words it was.
Ah, but when you spend this much time going into detail about these conversations and about the investigation putting names.
And this is the big thing.
Putting names to sources.
Um, there were plenty of people that put their name to the this information, including current members of the Astros organization.
So again, you had a lot of credibility to it.
And the fact that Alex Cora was not mentioned it not once in this entire article was was was pretty eye opening to me.
So we're going to see how that plays out, because eventually the Red Sox are going to have to hire a manager.
I mean, they just can't, you know, you know, they can't just patch work this together, But then again, it's the Red Sox, So ownership, I'm sure, is dragging their feet.
Or maybe they're actually kind of seeing how this plays out because I don't know how it would work to bring him back.
But, um, I I think perhaps this this might be a situation where you might see the rare case of Hey, we kind of screwed up blood spring you back.
And ah, you know what kind of go from there? But who knows? Who knows, Mike, Hopefully, maybe we'll get an answer tomorrow so we can talk about it.
But perhaps we live in hope, my friend.
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