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So So, Mike, I, uh yesterday yesterday and we talked about this a few weeks ago.
Actually, when the ballot was initially announced yesterday, the Baseball Hall of Fame announced its 2020 class and, um, two people.
Two players, huh? Derek Jeter, Larry Walker.
And you know, again, we had this conversation where we selected our players and I think we, you know, we had upwards of, ah, least several on each of our ballots.
But again, we also differ a lot in and how some of these ah Hall of Fame voters think nowadays.
And, ah, look, I obviously I'm not gonna sit here and say Carrot cheater shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
I think I've seen some people say that I'm like, Come on, guys like I you know, I do think, you know, he's been a bit overrated over the year, especially since he's retired.
I feel like his his, you know, he's kind of got the Dan Marino effect, like the longer he's, he's retired, the more his legend grows and and, you know, look, it's hard to knock a lot of the things that he that he's done.
But again, you know, having the notoriety, notoriety of being on the Yankees and kind of be in that face of the franchise, I think elevated him and again.
And since retirement, it's gotten a little bit ridiculous.
So the people up in arms about him not being a unanimous and Hall of Fame selection is relax.
I mean, Ted Williams is in a unanimous Hollis fame selection.
Babe Ruth is all of you know, to me it it's ah, it speaks to the greater issue that, you know I have with, uh, the Baseball Hall of Fame and Hall of Fames in general, but in particular, the Baseball Hall of Fame and how they go about their process in selecting so first off.
Like I said, I mean, Derek Cheater deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Um, 3465 career hits.
Ah, that's six all time again.
You know that transcends eras.
You can hit the ball, you can get on base, you're gonna be a pretty **** good player.
Obviously, six world Siris.
He played in 158 playoff games, which is 33 more than any other player.
So, uh, in and look, the guy elevated his play from regular season the postseason, and that's really the biggest thing here.
And I think the biggest compliment you can give Derek Jeter was again.
He elevated his play at at the greatest, highest intensity moments.
So good for him.
Congratulations to Larry Walker.
Obviously, he got 76.
6% of the vote on his very last year on the ballot.
So, um, I don't think I don't think either of us chose Larry Walker in our initial ballot.
I think I went back and forth when we first looked at this list.
Uh, but I can't remember exactly.
And I couldn't find the sheet because it's just I have I have absolutely no organizational skills.
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And I know some people can't stand seeing that on their phones and having that going check.
But, you know, I'm at the point where I just stopped carrying.
So, um, anyway, I just Oh, yes.
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Um, so anyways, I'm, uh honestly, I don't even know where I was going with us.
To be on Thio was incredibly unorganized.
No way we're talking about, right? That's right.
So I couldn't find my list, so I can't remember if I ultimately put him on there.
I know I went back and forth with him, so I do know that.
But, um, that's that's your hall of Fame class with those two guys.
And then, you know, I didn't Ted Simmons for, ah, Yankees catcher and, of course, uh, former Players Association.
Marvin Miller also got in.
But of course, we're talking about the players as being the, you know, the marquee names.
And yeah, again, I'm assuming you don't have a problem with Derek Jeter is getting in the Hall of Fame.
Ah, you assume correctly and I don't have a problem with Larry Walker.
And actually, you know, Walker was not a guy that I put on my ballot.
But you look at the resume and he's deserving.
I mean, he really is deserving the career that he had, you know, the timely hits that he got, where it was, definitely.
And you take a look at He was one of the more feared hitters of his generation and one of the better players of his generation.
So I don't have a problem with Larry Walker getting in.
I mean, you look at Derek Jeter, and I say this is a lifelong Red Sox fan.
Jeter and Rivera were two guys that were impossible, not toe like you had to respect them.
Yeah, there were times when they got under your skin because you were just like, Oh, man.
Then again, they come up with a big hit.
You know, Rivera just struck out another guy, So, yeah, you're frustrated.
But there was always that begrudging respect.
I think it's very similar to what Patriots fans felt with Peyton Manning.
You always respected him, but there was always that level of a man.
I don't want to see him I'm sick of seeing him in the postseason, and those are the types of things, and it's very similar to what you see with with Tom Brady across the league, and that's I assume, what people are using.
I think I'm going to see fans of all generations, irrational ones, anyway, warm to him much more when he's retired.
I think they'll appreciate what they add when it's gone.
But in baseball, I think you're seeing that romantic type that Romana and that romantic but romanticized type, uh, hindsight with Derek Jeter, simply because I think people are missing that type of player in major league baseball Right now.
Major League Baseball has one solid, excellent player.
That has been the constant for the last two years, and that's Mike Trout of the gala for the Los Angeles Angels.
He is the greatest player in the game.
That's bar none.
But you take a look at the rest and yes, there are.
There are a lot of great pictures.
There are a lot of great players, but a lot of these names are interchangeable from year to year.
You look at that and trout is the one constant.
I think Jeter played in a generation where you had Alex Rodriguez and you had Barry Bonds and you had so many indelible names.
Now they're *****ed by, unfortunately, the steroids scandal, and I'm sure we'll get into Bonds and Clemens in a little bit of me.
I still don't understand why there's such hesitation to put them into the Hall of Fame.
These guys were Hall of Famers before that happened.
You want to put it on their plaque, fine.
But it doesn't change that impact that they had on the game think they are all of Famers.
But Jeter had a tremendous career.
I don't have a problem with him not going in unanimous.
I don't necessarily believe he is a unanimous Hall of Fame, and, like I said, I say this with a lot of respect and a lot of like for Derek Jeter.
I think that he had a very good career in major league baseball.
You mentioned him playing at a heightened level when he was, you know, playing in the postseason.
That's all factored in.
But I don't necessarily know if he needs to be a unanimous selection.
I think a lot of that was just hoping beyond all hope that Jeter was going to be this this revered type player.
Then I think a lot of it is coming from Yankee strands that just wanted to see him get in as a unanimous selection.
But the one thing I do have a problem with this, Jeter was not selected unanimously by one voter.
You have to think that the one voter is probably doing this to make some sort of a statement.
If that's the case and that's all it is, basis guarantee, then, yeah, then I have a problem with that.
And like I said, that's going to sound weird because I don't have a problem with him not being in a unanimous selection.
I don't think based off of the numbers and off of his career statistics that he was a unanimous selection.
But if that's the only reason you did it, I think some of these voters need to get off their high horse.
I think they need to get down off their pedestal, realize that they have a Hall of Fame vote they don't have.
They're not on the knot on God's selection committee of Pearly Gates.
They really think about what your situation is.
Vote for somebody because you believe they deserve to be there.
And not because you believe you need to make some sort of a statement or that you're so much highbrow.
And you're so much more sophisticated than everyone else that Oh, I'm going to make a statement here because this is not correct.
And I need to do this to prove it.
You know, get over yourself.
If you think he's a Hall of Famer, vote for him.
If you don't, you don't sadly, will never know that because eventually it will come out.
Who was the abstinence? He'll come out and say that he didn't vote for this reason, that reason and that reason.
But when you miss by one, it's kind of hard to ignore the evidence to me that really that that shows that there definitely was somebody that was just adamant about this, that he wasn't going to get in and, you know, it's It is what it is.
But congratulations to Derek Jeter.
Congratulations, Larry Walker to deserving spots.
And, um, you know, I don't know.
I guess I'll throw the ball back in your court.
Who wasn't selected that you feel should have been.
I know I mentioned Bonds and Clemens.
Schilling came close.
Curt Schilling came close, which leads me to believe that next year he might have a shot at getting in.
And a couple of years ago I never really would have thought that.
So who do you think was snubbed this time around? That should have got in.
That didn't, well, real quick.
I just want to say, Ah, I agree with everything you said about that.
And you know, this is kind of my biggest point about the baseball Hall of Fame in particular is that there's far too many people that voters, that is, that.
I think it's about them.
And, ah, they tend to make statements and, you know, ridiculous statements at that when it comes to voting, and this is kind of their platform to do so.
But look at the other day.
Derek Jeter moves above Ken Griffey Jr within 90 90 99.
7% selection, which is second best all time, obviously behind Mariano Rivera.
Look, you said you took it right out of my You know, you took my answer.
You've already said it Bonds and Clemens and I felt very adamant about, um, you know, there they should be in the Hall of Fame.
I can comfortably say, uh, you know, in my lifetime, having watched a lot of hitters, Barry Bonds was the best date I've ever seen.
And then this includes Manny Ramirez.
This includes David Ortiz, and you know, all the great players that I loved.
And look, I didn't necessarily like Barry Bonds.
You know, this is nothing to do with the supposed steroid use is you know, he was kind of a a hole.
I mean, that was kind of his reputation.
I mean, he wasn't ever really warm and fuzzy to the, you know, to the outside public, you know, And that's not to say that he's not a good guy.
I'm just saying, like his person, the perception of him was never ah, soft and cuddly like, you know, David Ortiz or something like, You know, he was kind of a more, um, standoffish type person.
But that has nothing to do with his abilities on the baseball field, because again, I can say that again in my lifetime, I've never seen someone swing and hit a ball.
Ah, better than, ah, Barry Bonds.
And, you know, just look at his intentional walk rates like, I mean, that speaks volumes to just I mean, when you hit when you intentionally walk a guy with the bases loaded because you're so afraid of what he can do it.
I mean, that's That's I mean, that just epitomizes what he was when he was playing.
And, you know, I don't want to hear about Oh, well, he took steroids.
This that the other.
It's like, Look, you had an entire generation of baseball players where a majority of them were taking steroids.
It is what it is.
When you have the Baseball Hall of Fame, you know, you're it's about telling the history of baseball.
You cannot tell the history of baseball without Barry Bonds.
You cannot tell the absolute baseball without Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire.
And and you know, I hate to say it, but even Jose Canseco and all these guys that, like, you know, epitomized this era.
Yes, do you? Can you Can you still mention the start? Yes, absolutely.
And I would encourage it like, you know, put give them their own wing in the Hall of Fame, and B, you know, make it very clear that there was some artificial enhancement when it comes to what they were able to do on the field.
But, you know, don't keep him out of the Hall of Fame, especially, you know, these writers and people who vote who like you said, get up on their high horse and you know, you make this stand when all the while they were sitting there and they were complicity in this same with major league baseball, you know, they didn't do anything until you know what people made a fuss about it and things started to get public.
And all of a sudden, I don't know.
After Jose Canseco's book, you had to do something.
What were they going to do? What was baseball going to do? Just sit back and ignore it? Yeah, well, they could have.
And you know what? You know who knows where we would have been then.
But you know so to me, it's it's ridiculous, an incredibly hypocritical, um, for not only major league baseball, but the people who cover it to take the stand against these guys and Ah, you know, keep them out of the Hall of Fame.
Because again, you're basically trying to ignore and and basically scrub an error of baseball, which not only where were the players complicity, but the league's the coaches so on and so forth.
So, um, so to me that they will always be the biggest snubs, Um, assuming they don't get in now.
Now, look, Bond started with the 36.
2% of the vote in 2013 and he got all the way up to 60.
So basically, he has two more years to get to 15 more percent of the vote before, Obviously, his eligibility is over.
Is it trending up? It looks like it will it matter at the end of the day.
I I guess that I just I feel like these people are too stubborn and they'll never put him in, and it'll be a **** shame.
So same of our Yeah.
I mean, that was actually my question.
Yeah, And then, actually, that was Michael.
I'm gonna be my question to you was Do you believe that they're waiting until the last ballot vote these guys in.
Do you think that the It's a little bit? I don't know.
And I think you hit a very interesting point that I don't think a lot of people talk about at was Bonds is our on his persona.
When he played, he was very truculent with the media.
Ah, he wasn't necessarily always available.
He wasn't someone that did a lot of media appearances.
He wasn't someone that always made himself, uh, you know, readily, uh or, ah, Susie ass tickly accessible to, ah, media members and things of that nature that does hurt you.
It hurt Jim Rice for a number of years.
Rice was very standoffish when it came to the media.
He wasn't rude, but he was very.
He always kept him at arm's length and never really let them in.
And a lot of writers held that against him, and it took a vial to be able to get the and they're the voters.
They're the ones that vote in.
These guys have long memories.
That's very possible.
Clemens in its early days, especially up here in Boston at a reputation of being very difficult when it came to the media now, in terms of the fan availability, I don't think Roger gets enough credit.
This is a guy that used to dress up in full uniform, go to Boston Children's Hospital and spend the day spend sometimes up to three days in a row, just visiting people, sitting with them, watching baseball, talking baseball.
You know, Roger really did a lot in terms of charity work and things of that nature.
We tend to look at him now.
Is this steroid guy that just had, you know, no moral compass or anything like that? I can tell you from personal Clements.
So I do hope these guys get in because they deserve to be there again, especially with Bonds and Clemens.
You want to make a A, uh, a case about Maguire and about Sosa.
I think there's a legitimate argument there because I don't know if they would have been how of Famers without just the home run our But with Bonds and Clemens, there's no question about it.
These guys were Hall of Famers before any type of steroid allegation crept into their legacy.
I do hope I do live in hope that they'll get in, Um, I don't think it's necessarily unfair to label that right on there. Plaque.
I think it needs to be said.
I think it needs to be told, but in terms of keeping them out of the Hall of Fame, for that reason, it's ridiculous.
And I mean, you can go all the way back to Pete Rose not being in the hall of things that I think is another gratis t you know, I think that's that's another ridiculous part of what he did.
Yes, what he did was was morally wrong.
What he did was, you know, compromising the integrity of the game.
But to take that away from him from what he did on the field and essentially erase him from that legacy is something that's not fair.
So maybe we'll see a trend trend in the right direction.
But I I don't know what this point, you know.
You mentioned the trending upwards, so that's a positive sign for a guy like Bonds.
We'll see what happens.
But I was surprised to see Schilling, you know, get a percentage that he got.
I think his stock continues to rise.
I think people are looking at his postseason prowess and what he did and saying that this guy deserves it based on what he did on the field.
I agree that he deserves to be there.
So maybe we'll see Curt Schilling get his name call next year.
Yeah, and look, I mean, this is this was kind of a little bit more.
Ah, I don't want to say expected.
Could I didn't really know.
I never know what to expect with the Baseball Hall of Fame voters, but, um, this makes more sense, given the time that, you know, he's been kind of out of the spotlight.
You know, Obviously he's He's certainly said some things that you know, obviously been, you know, borderline offensive and sometimes over the line offensive.
Um, but again, none of that stuff.
And I know the Baseball Hall of Fame has a quote unquote character clause, but I don't care about the character clause I really don't like.
Like I don't like.
I mean, there's there's very few instances where I would not celebrate someone's career because of what they did off the field.
And, you know, to be honest, I don't really I don't really know.
You know an example of that.
The closest thing, the closest thing I can come too.
Isn't the WWF ludicrous Ben Wa given the cir***stances of what he did, Um, I I tend to agree that, uh it's probably best to just kind of scrub his existence from memory is as much as possible without ignoring.
Obviously, the d the big, bigger issue and that is a brain trauma.
And and you and I both discuss this on Locked on Patriots yesterday about Aaron Hernandez and and Chris Benoit was another example of someone who had, ah, severely advanced case of C.
T and brain trauma.
Um, which I think a lot of people felt was was a very significant reason for for the things that he did.
And, you know, if you're if you're not familiar with the story, um, you know, you can definitely look check it out, but crisp autumn are obviously, um ah, yeah, I'll tell you.
But, you know, he, uh, killed his wife and kid and hung himself And over the weekend, one year, um, you know, obviously he had a long history of again brain trauma, steroid use, and there's a lot of factors that lead to it, but, you know, incredibly tragic and sad story.
Um, but, you know, that might be in a situation where I would look at someone's off the field or out of the ring type actions that what would probably you know, convinced me to say, You know what? We could probably pass on, um, you know, pass on, You know, putting them in the Hall of Fame.
But, you know, if you're just a a whole, you know, I I don't care like you go ahead.
You know, be the biggest jerk in the world.
You know, taking a quote from Charles Barkley.
You know, I'm not, You know, I'm not here to be a role model.
I'm not a role model.
You know, I like I don't I don't care about that.
If you were really ready in your profession, you deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
And Roger Clements, Curt Schilling and Barry Bonds fit that Bill P rose? Absolutely.
And they're a holes in the Hall of Fame.
Currently, phone wire boys in there.
Look up the history of Ty Cobb.
Yeah, and you'll see.
I mean, this is a celebrated ballplayer.
People talk about Cobb all the time, is one of the greatest of all time.
Again, I think they look through it with rose colored glasses.
2020 Hindsight says.
Oh, well, we celebrate the man on the field.
Ty Cobb was one of the one of the lowest human beings and face of the earth.
At the time that he played, he really did some vile things.
Anybody that never seen the movie Cobb with Tommy Lee Jones, where he portrays Ty Cobb, definitely encourage you to check that out.
It's a really good biopic.
I didn't get an awful lot of play.
Ah, lot of people say Tommy Lee Jones, hand it up a little bit.
That's what he does.
That's Tommy Lee Jones, but he's one of my favorite actors.
I always kill whatever he does exactly.
So you know, it's Ah so, yeah, I would encourage you to check that out and you'll see that there are not the best guys in the world in the Hall of Fame.
It pains me to say this because he was my father's hero.
But ****ey Mantle, ****ey Mantle did not live the ultimate choirboy lifestyle.
He lived a life of cavorting alcoholism.
Ah, lot of difficulties that he had in his personal life.
And even when he retired, there were stories about guys that would come up to him and say, I idolized you, II and Mantle would be, you know, 10 sheets to the wind and drunk and not realized his own statements.
And he would say, Get out of here.
I don't want to talk to you.
I don't care if you did it or not and grown men would walk away crying, saying, I wish I never met my hero.
A mantle you know, made atonement for this later on in his life and he realized the error of his ways, and he issued apologies and made unexamined all of himself and says, Don't be like me.
Don't do what I do.
But yet these guys are in the Hall of Fame.
They were celebrated for what they did on the field.
So yeah, maybe some of the the judgment complex.
I hate to use the word God complex, but maybe some of that judgment complex that some of the the the Major league baseball writers Association and the, um and, you know, the Hall of Fame.
Maybe they need to dumb that down a little bit and start realizing that these guys need to be recognized.
The accomplishments that they made and the game that they put out there for everyone to enjoy, because ultimately, when these guys were playing, it was it was appointment watching, you know, I remember.
You know, I just played my week around when Pedro Martinez was gonna teach.
You always wanted to see Pedro pitch.
Lack of a better term.
Roger Clemens was one of those guys.
I wanted to see what he was going to dio.
Um, you know Barry Bonds when he was at the plate, you wanted to see what he was going to do, what it bonds do today, that he hit a home run.
Yeah, there's a big surprise.
But it was intriguing. McGwire and Sosa.
You mentioned it before.
One of the most one of the most engrossing moments in baseball to me was watching that in the summer of 98 watching that home run chase and watching everything unfold and just it was it was so fun.
And you can't deny that.
Yeah, Look, you know, at that time, you know, we're both, you know, Children, you know, you know, in 98.
And it's like, you know, that was kind of kids at that point. Yeah.
The apex of like, you know, my my childhood baseball watching days was was one watching that home run battle that summer and and being a baby, just, you know, experiencing, you know, going on, you know, back when SportsCenter was, you know, actual sports highlights and less of this, uh, you know, just drama filled like so Yeah, exactly what? You know, back when you go on and be top plays should go through the highlights.
All that you know, each you know, you wouldn't have, like, 45 minutes of LeBron in 15 minutes of everything else.
So But you go on and you get you know, the latest update, Woodberry About what? You know how close to see to breaking the record, or how close is he to break in the single homerun season record or the overall record? And it was just It was, you know, it was enthralling and it was into me.
It's like like I can't I just can't ignore that hole era of baseball.
I just I can't do it.
And in my eyes that that just tells me they have to be.
They have to be in the Hall of Fame and eventually eventually, they'll get there.
Hopefully, yeah, really? Those are the only guys that really were in the mix.
Omar Vizquel made a huge jump from 42% of 52%.
So it'll be interesting to see how his case kind of evolves over the next couple of years.
But speaking of hypocrisy and, uh, I don't know if you saw this, but that the proposed draft ah, layout for the NFL.
So, you know, I think you could tell by my reaction of my laugh what I'm thinking about all this.
Yeah, it, um So, look, uh, there's so there's so many things that could go wrong with this, which makes it incredibly enticing for me to watch.
Um, yeah, again.
We all know that the recent history in Vegas and I'm not alluding to any thing like that I'm talking about just the sheer possibility of disaster when you have a stage Ah, going across water and you're shutting down the Vegas Strip for three days It to me.
I just I feel like you know, you this thing could just fail miserably in terms of production or whatever or, you know, have fun today.
I just to me I just This seems so ridiculous, But the biggest thing to me is, and I laugh at this because again, I wrote something about this a few years ago for another website talking about the NFL's ah, gambling hypocrisy that goes back years and years and years.
I mean, basically, the NFL was built off gambling profits.
It's, you know, be very clear about that.
But yet they, you know, they held such a strong stance against it, you know, it was morally wrong.
It was, you know, about the integrity of the game.
I mean, Tony Romo, you know you can't host that fantasy football Ah, convention because it's held in a building whole owned by a casino.
Yes, that Israel that happened four years ago.
Now the NFL is having their biggest moment for their young stars introducing your stars to the league in Vegas in a what will surely be a Vegas theme draft.
Which means, look, gambling's gonna be a part of it.
And to me, I just I laughed for so many reasons, obviously, Like I said, that the comedy ah, potential of just having a draft on water and two.
I mean, they're gonna be faring draft picks in on boats.
Like what? Like what are we talking about here? You know, like I don't know.
I mean, this seems like appropriate for, like, a Drew Brees record breaking performance celebration.
You know, not not a draft, so I don't know it just to me.
I it has disaster written all over it.
And then from a more serious note that just that the pure hypocrisy from the NFL and the fact that now they can make money off this now it's ah, it's morally right.
And the integrity of the league is not in question.
So yeah, it's, uh it's Yeah, this is interesting.
I mean, it looks cool when you first see this.
And you look at it.
You're like, Wow, it's gonna actually be pretty cool to watch and then you start thinking about it and you're like this.
There's so much here that could possibly go wrong.
Um, you know, between the between the floating stage and very and guys in on boats and the Bellagio, you know, water fountain going off in the background.
I mean, all it takes is one miscue or something like that.
And these things can, you know, 9.
9 times out of 10.
These things don't happen.
It ends up going off without a hitch.
And look, it probably will.
But there's the potential there, and it's just to me.
I think that only adds to the intrigue.
Maybe that's the NFL secret, you know, who knows? I mean, you mentioned, you know, bringing in the guy's on on boats.
That will be interesting.
I mean, the only the only possibility is that there is a certain Fox Sports one host that seems to think that if Petra home shows up, then he'll just be able to walk on the water.
But you know well, who said that if he doesn't, he'll just lay down in the water and let him walk on him.
It'll be either that you might turn it into a wine.
You never got a disease known to perform miracles.
Now I should have said that. That's not right.
I don't I don't dislike Holmes, the host on Fox Sports One.
Yeah, it's a different story, but I don't dislike not a lot in it, if you believe it.
That's right, George. Absolutely.
Remember that, folks.
It's good advice.
But in any case, you know this.
Yeah, this whole cir***stance does reek of a little bit of hypocrisy.
I think you you make a very interesting point about the NFL and the gambling connection.
And then using this to Vegas is advantage.
Look, is the best way to develop a budding, you know, franchise buzz.
With the Oakland Raiders moving to Las Vegas of the new stadium coming up, you'd want to be able to fill seats.
This is a good way to be able to showcase it.
You know, that stadium's gonna be shown ad nauseum during draft weekend and you're going to see it all the time.
They're gonna be showing it.
They're gonna be letting everyone know that the NFL is now in Las Vegas, and you know, it's a good mark.
The best way to show it.
I think maybe it's a little overly theatrical, but you know, we'll see.
We'll see what happens there.
I'm trying to keep an open mind on the subject.
I liked it when I first saw it last night.
I'm looking at and I started to really ate it.
But I'm the becoming more lukewarm on it now, so we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah, and and I mean, like I said, I mean, I I'm all for the NFL embracing gambling.
I think it should have been done years ago.
I don't think it should ever given given a black mark, because again, it's just it's so ingrained in the history of this league and and how it was built.
It's just to me.
It it it does the fans and everyone is just service.
When you sit there and pretend and you know we'll continue the charade about caring about the integrity of the game and we all know that's a farce for the most part, I mean, this whole integrity thing is just ah ah, fall back for a lot of these executives and people to to justify doing certain things.
Wellit's in Thean Tech, Gritty of the game, the integrity integrity I don't want to hear about.
The NFL was built on gambling.
It should have embraced it a long time ago.
And, ah, you know, look, it it should be fairly entertaining.
And I know we're gonna get some characters.
And, like you said, it's gonna be a lot of shots of the new Vegas stadium.
And and you know Al Davis are not Al Davis. Well, I hope not.
Hell, Davis, because that would that would, really that would really be creepy if you know he was present.
But, ah, Mark Davis, of course, will be there.
Although Raiders contingent will be there, of course.
So Tom Brady, the new starting quarterback of the Raiders? No, I'm joking. I'm joking.
That's foolish and idiotic.
So Ah, so, yeah, it'll be interesting.
It will certainly be fun to watch.
And, uh, yeah, if if only we're lucky at least one person will fall into the water.
Yeah, that would be good.
And hopefully his last name is good.
L But you know, in any case, we'll let you know what you know.
I really should.
I really should have left.
The stock has a machine it on this morning, you know, it's just it's It's one of those things.
It's I don't know.
It's Wednesday and I just think I got that running through me right now.
So you know what? It's it's all good, but yeah, I mean, at at some point, you have to know, you know, somebody's gonna jump in the water.
No, that's got drafted this year.
You know, I got put money, I think Rachael definitely.
I think Rachael definitely do it.
I think he'll jump in the water right now.
Well, I I Ah, he could He could show up and do some sort of coverage and do that.
That wouldn't be surprising at all. That would be very drunk.
Like so, um well, not only that, he's also he's on tic tac.
I don't know if last night apparently he's doing these tic tac dancing videos and you know enough or anything.
I mean, I I am completely clueless when it comes to tic Tac.
You're never gonna see me on that form, folks on Danielle's that cloud.
But I mean, tic tac was Was this like invented for Gronk.
I mean, it's like the perfect platform, you know, come out through these little funky dances and, you know, like like reaching out your social media, you know, clans And what not? Yeah, just to me, it's like it's it's interesting.
It really and truly is.
Maybe I'm not quite as hip as I used to be, but I'm pretty sure Tic tac was already invented.
And wasn't that called fine? Like, I mean, look, I'm not I'm not completely ah, well versed in a lot of these again, I'm making it sound like I'm, like, 55 years old.
No offense to those 50 and over.
I I feel like it's Isn't it the same exact thing, though Video it absolutely, truly is.
Yet no question about it.
See, I knew I should have just ripped that off and created an app like that.
All right, All right, Well, I'll create Facebook again in about five years when I'll have a chance.
We'll see about that.
But yeah, I mean, he's certainly ah, guy.
That's certainly entertaining, even not playing football.
And who knows maybe he'll make a come back next year.
Mike, you never know.
He might, though.
You never ever know.
You know who is looking less and less likely to be making a come back next year? No, Antonio Brown.
I was gonna say, you know, broke yesterday, and I was gonna say, You know what? I know my body is constantly up on that wall.
It might be time for you to come down.
Well, you know, I have dinner.
I've slowly been doing the ah, Homer Simpson retreat into the into the bush for for a few months now.
And look, I will not I will not back down.
From what I said earlier, I still think it was a mistake to cut him, because again, the mistake people are making our that all his actions, especially over the last one month or two, um were guaranteed that happen if you were selling the team. And I don't believe that.
I just think Kim not playing football has kind of really just put him down this downward spiral.
That again thes thesis symptoms and these issues were there.
But as we know, with a lot of people, when you have structure in your life.
You know, it doesn't always necessarily work, but it helps.
And I think think this has certainly led him to Ah, you know, not playing football this year.
This led him down a a very is scary path, because again, it's always something.
And, uh, apparently his trainer got arrested for for battering a moving truck driver, and Antonio Brown was questioned, and they haven't issued an arrest or anything like that.
But, you know, this is just another situation that that's been kind of, you know, involved with him as of late, like, couple weeks ago.
Um, he, like, live broadcasted, ah, police at his house and, you know, it was about getting his ex out of his apartment or his house or something like that.
But, you know, he was on camera in front of his kids yelling obscenities out.
You know, it's just not something you want and, you know, reportedly living in a gated community, a community like he does.
I imagine the neighbors are getting a little bit Ah, tired of all the police presence and drama that goes on outside his house each and every day.
So, um, you know something toe obviously monitor and obviously not to make light of or anything like that.
We hope he gets help.
But you know this to me, just kind of.
You know, I I believed at the time when he was cut by the Patriots, I still thought that there was, ah, outside chance that he wasn't going to be placed on any sort of exempt list.
And again, this doesn't change how I feel about what, necessarily We know about his ongoing ah case with his former ah trainer, our massage therapist.
But, um, you know at the time, like is that I still stand by the fact that I thought they should have kept him and all that.
But, you know, since he's been off out of the football locker room Manafort football team, it's been it's been a rough going for him.
And yesterday was just another example of that.
No, it's true, and I completely agree with you on that look, you can make the argument, and I think there is an interesting argument to be made about whether or not any type of this behavior would have occurred if Antonio Ron was still on the football field.
I happen to agree with you on this.
I don't think he would have melted down as much.
Look, Antonio Brown is the type of guy that is very much attention seeking.
There's no question about it.
He spends most of his time on social media seeking that attention.
I think a lot of the attention he was getting was a mixture of this in the football field, and I think that's what allowed him to keep it in check.
I think you made a very good point, Ian, I think because he's not on the football field, this is all he has now.
So he's making these these statements.
He's doing these things, then he's only making the case for him to get back on the football field that much worse.
There is a level of help that I think that he needs, and I'm not saying that to diminish what's going on.
I'm not saying that to make a joke or a punchline.
I really think there is a problem here that needs to be addressed when it comes to Antonio because the sad part about this is he's one of the most talented, gifted receivers in the league.
This guy could be helping a team like the New England Patriots.
Or if you want to go back, I don't care.
You can talk about the Oakland Raiders that had him earlier this year or the Pittsburgh Steelers that at him last year.
This is a guy that can make contributions on the field.
He's more than capable of doing that.
Last week, unlocked on Patriots, I took a deep dive into the Patriots week to victory over the Dolphins and the impact that Antonio Brown add on that game, right from the right from the gecko he developed the synergy with Tom Brady ran a couple of good routes.
He was showing that he could get, and he could ask her this playbook.
After one game, he looked solid.
Gather were adjustments that we're gonna need to be made.
But after one game, you can get a good, you know, feel for how this guy's gonna be able to do it.
That's the sad part about all this is that all of these incidents are on Lee, adding to the difficulty that he's going to have being able to see the field again.
And you know now it's starting to get into realms where the police are getting involved.
There are the allegations.
No one knows for sure what those allegations or what that lawsuit is gonna bring.
Whether or not there's criminal charges that could stem from that.
There's so much surrounding him right now, it's becoming a legal problem for Antonio Brown, not just an image problem.
And when it gets to that point, something needs to be done to step in.
You just hope that someone will or will come to his senses and be able to right this ship before it's too late.
Yeah, and again, you know, we wishing the best because again, at the end of the day, like if if his, you know, original legal problem is is not his problem anymore.
And this is just a matter of him having a lot of emotional problems and issues outside of football.
And, you know, we need you know, he needs to get help, and hopefully you get to see him on the football field again.
But you know, every time his name pops up, it doesn't.
Ah, there's not.
And there hasn't been one incident in incidents where he has helped his case in terms of getting back on the football field.
So, um, not only in the eyes of the NFL and the fans, but two teams.
I mean, we saw what happened with the, you know, regardless of what you think the workout was with the New Orleans Saints.
You know, he didn't risk necessarily.
Um, it, you know, endear himself to any other team, by the way, he perceived that workout and everything and how he reacted to it.
Stubborn Look at, you know, football coaches and and and executives and stuff like that.
You know, once you burn a few produce, you know it's gonna be a lot tougher to get back.
So, um so? Well, yeah, we'll see.
I mean, it's Ah, yeah, I I don't know.
It's just like I said, any any time you see his name pop up, you know, it's some kind of ridiculous.
So but, ah, so the NFL this weekend will experiment with a rule that was proposed, I think they said last year.
But it's about onside kicks now, you know, since some of the ah lot of the changes to um, you know how the game's played In terms of safety precautions and all that, the onside kit has almost become obsolete.
Uh, just because of the difficulty and converting it is that much more difficult because of how the rules and the game is set.
So in lieu of a onside kick to attempt 1/4 and 15 play now, I I I tend to ah, side on the ah, uh, you know, less changes to the game type of side, usually usually in most sports.
We want to go to shoot out.
I don't I get to shoot out.
Anyone who listens to me ever knows.
I hate to shoot out.
Um, I kind of feel like this is a shoot out ish where it just it seems gim****y to me, and I feel like fourth and 15 isn't the difficulty in converting that versus even the traditional onside kick from a few years ago? It is much easier, and I I don't know.
I don't you know.
My first impression is I don't like it, and I think there's a reason why they shot this idea down in the first place.
But you know, the fact that there are at least trying it out, you know, makes me believe that.
Yeah, maybe this might pick up some state, so I wanted to get your thoughts about that.
I agree with you.
I'm not a big fan of this at all.
There was a reason why it was shot down.
It's because it's simply just not reliable.
It's a situation where, yes, you're gonna try the fourth and 15.
If you're able to convert, you can continue.
If not, it's, you know, you get the ball after dead spot.
You know, there are a lot of factors involved in that, and I think the onside kick is up part of what the NFL rules are.
It's a part of what the game has always been granted.
I mean, the rules have evolved, so it makes it more difficult, but it is still convertible.
There are still teams that are able to convert it.
I think a lot of what this does is it takes some of the spontaneity out of the call and how you're going to ah, work this with Kickoffs and onside kicks.
I think it takes some of that out of the game, so I'm not a fan of it.
I mean, I I will look to see, you know, they're going to put it into practice during the Pro Bowl.
So that way people will be able to at least see it, and it's practicality and how it's going to be enforced or how it's gonna be executed on the field.
I think everybody could use their imagination.
I think we might have seen it sprinkled in, you know, maybe in some test cases before, but this is gonna be a big showcase for it.
I think people will look at it.
But ultimately, I don't know.
I just don't see this going through.
I think that it's gonna be something that maybe there testing the brakes on.
Maybe they're just, you know, looking to see what the public reaction is gonna be to it.
But at the end of the day, I really don't see this becoming a permanent rugal change.
I just think there's too many factors against it.
They could possibly go wrong and could lead them down a path that maybe they don't want to go down.
Yeah, and look, I I I hate these knee jerk reactions to these.
These rule changes them.
This isn't necessarily one of them.
But, you know, in general, this is how a lot of these rule changes come about is you know, something happens that causes you to, uh, you know, overreact and say, Hey, we need to change these rules and for the betterment of the game.
And at the end today, it's not really better, you know? It doesn't always get better.
It's just kind of We saw that with the replay rules this year, the pass interference like we spent the entire season from literally the moment this season kicked off talking about how bad those those ah reviews have been.
And, you know, was that worth the change? Probably not, because it just added more Ah, gray area for people to discuss and and this one is, too.
It's like, you know, people want to talk about making it safer and all that, like, you know, you're turning it into more.
I don't know like me.
This is something like the XFL should d'oh you know, not the NFL.
Like when you get when you get into the business off, like changing the game so drastically like, you know, we're going to do this.
We're gonna you know, we're gonna make this, ah, worth more points.
We're gonna take this out of the game and put this and no, it's just, you know, it's you want to make it safer, make it safer, but keep the onside kick at the way it is.
And you know, No, no, I just It feels like it's gonna be like one of those things where it's like, you know, uh, Sean Payton will go for it like five times a game.
He'll just go for 1/4 and 15 because why not? You know, why not? Let's just let's just go for it.
You know, it will convert like two out of the 15 but he'll be lauded as a you know, someone who takes a rest.
So but yeah, exactly.
I mean, with the way you know, end of the way, quarterbacks.
And don't yourself.
That might be a big part of this as well.
With weight quarterbacks playing right now on the spring that you're seeing in some of these runs and some of these dynamic plays that you see, you know, that's it may make it more enticing for her players to go for it.
That's another reason why I think in a lot of ways what this will do.
It will change the complexities of the game a little bit too much, I think, if their purest in the NFL, I think you're looking at this going now.
This this This could really open up a Pandora's box that maybe the league thinks it wants to open.
But once it's opened up, I think they're gonna realise that there's more harm than good here.
So we'll see. We'll see what happens.
Yeah, we don't make the way.
Don't make the rules, buddy there.
So it, uh, it'll be interesting to see what the powers that be.
Ah, well, do as a result of this one that rules there's gay.
Us. That's right.
Yeah, we saw it last year.
I mean that you describe exactly what happened with the pass interference challenge rule.
It was like, Hey, we think we need this.
But when we get it, we realize, Oh, crap, We don't really need this.
And things are actually worse.
So but exactly so well, we think this hour flew by.
Mike, This was this was fun.
We We didn't even mention anything about the Super Bowl, so that's that's amazing.
You know what? Which which actually is a good thing, because we're midway through this kind of like dead week of Super Bowl, you know, hype and want.
Next week, obviously media week and everything is pumping up.
So you know what? It's good that we saved a little bit for it and we didn't, you know, didn't burn ourselves out in the first couple of days.
Yeah, yeah, of course, Of course.
Plus, we're gaining all of our knowledge that we can drop on your next week when we really, really break down these games.
But, you know, of course we will.
We will be back tomorrow for a Thursday episode.
We, I'm sure we will talk a little bit about Super Bowl tomorrow.
There's some things I do want to talk about real quick before we get off the air to things.
Unfortunately, Dustin Pretorius seems to have suffered yet another setback in his recovery to get back on the baseball field, and I think a lot of people would just recommend or at least assume that this this is probably, you know, just time for himto hang it up because he's certainly been struggling to do that.
And, ah, on the flip side of guy that is beginning his career and making his debut in basketball, Zion Williamson will play tonight and make his number one overall pick will make his debut.
So, um, we're certainly talk about that a bit tomorrow.
I do want to ah, kind of poke fun a little bit at this Los Angeles City Council ruling aboutthe world Siris.
We will talk about that tomorrow as well.
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