the following takes place between 8 a.m. and nine.
Good morning, everybody and welcome.
It's Tuesday, January 21st.
Almost said December.
I'm going back in time, Mike. That's right.
I want to relive the Patriotsseason and hopes that maybe this time it'll turn out a little bit better. Nope.
Don't listen to me.
It is not December.
It is January 21st. 2020.
Ah, this is a Tuesday episode off FBC Radio Live. That's right.
We're about 12 days away for Super Bowl 54 Miami.
So we are ramping up our coverage.
We're looking to cover that we have.
Ah, Kyle Center is going to join us later today to talk some packers and what it looks like for them in the future.
But before we bring in anyone else or talk about anything else, I couldn't do the show without him.
So we're gonna welcome in Mr Rhode Island.
Although he may be getting a little bit of a ah, a push from a certain Florida Panther superstar forward.
Ah, for that title.
But for now, he is still Mr Rhode Island.
Mike, how are we doing today? I love the Hello, my friend.
Uh, No, I would definitely relinquish the title to ah one.
Mr Nolan in Florida? Definitely.
Hello, township men of mine.
And he also happened to go to the same high school and the same college.
A lot of people are trying to follow in my footsteps here in Rhode Island.
It's a burden, but one I, I assume with with a great deal of pride, I assure you know, all kidding aside, it's always good to be here feeling better today, and, uh, definitely looking forward to talking to some sports because there's a lot going on.
Not just in the NFL, my friend.
No, you're right.
And and I felt it was only appropriate to start start the show today Talking about Mr Nolan charge, because again, the coincidences are just Ah, they're amazing.
I mean, he lived literally is following in your footsteps, and hopefully one day he will be as big of a superstar.
You are, but but yeah, one can only hope, right? Very very.
Uh, he has a lot of heights to reach to.
Um, I was kind of a joke.
It was a bad one, but I think It's early. I haven't weighed.
Definitely got it.
Yeah, he's He's overshot me by good amount that, you know.
You know, the the Italians up here On what island were built low to the ground, my friend.
It's just what, uh, you know, it's just one of those things that mean it means you're sturdy.
That's what it is. That's right.
Everybody said rock I one of the So I I've been I got into the outsider on HBO.
Um, I've watched the 1st 3 episodes the adoption of Stephen King novel which you know, to me any time I hear Stephen King, you know, some sort of adaption of a book.
I'll give it a shot because generally I enjoy a lot of the movies, you know, talk about classics like it and so on and so forth.
I can list so much any of them.
But this one in particular has Jason Bateman.
And this this is how I'm gonna make this connection.
So you think I said like a rock? And one of my favorite favorite jokes from arrested development was Ah, And you, you've watched that show.
Correct, Mike, I'm not just talking to the course.
No, you're not so good.
So, uh, obviously they're avoiding our, uh, George Bluth Sr is being accused of having dealings with Iraq and Saddam Hussein and Ah, God, gob.
Bluth, um, runs a promotion at the company.
And the slogan is like a rock and solid as a rock.
You know, it's a play on words.
I always laughed at that because, I mean that that show was just It was peak subtle humor.
And it was It was certainly before its time.
Although, uh, anything after that that, like, the remake, I mean, once it went off the air, I I didn't care.
I mean, I like the new newer seasons, but, you know, it wasn't quite the same, but I enjoy that show quite a bit.
And, ah, begin to Jason.
Right now, I'm watching a lot of his stuff right now.
Those arc, it's it's Thea Outsider, and I'm talking about arrested development.
I, uh, you know, I might have to go back and watch those early seasons again. It's been a while.
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely it's It's a perfect time of year for it to, especially with the Patriots, not not in the Super Bowl.
You trade something to occupy your time over the course of the next couple of weeks.
Always good to get a good binge watching in the month of January month of February.
Always good timing right before that's the spring.
It's so yeah, I indulge away, my friend.
That's definitely great.
And we can talk about it here on the radio.
And, hey, you know what? Ah, sooner or later, better call.
Saul is gonna be back. I'm excited for that.
There's a lot of good TV coming up. I think you are.
At least I feel like And, uh um, it's a little bit different.
Generally you're waiting for, Ah, you know, Super Bowls and stuff like that, but not this year, not this year.
It's okay, though, however, however.
Ah, for those ah Boston fans that might have might have been in a little bit of, ah, Patriots lost depression.
Still, last night could have possibly helped you get out of that funk, because there there's very few things that are better than watching the Celtics route the Lakers and in this case, this version of the celticsfirst, this version of the Lakers meeting for the first time this season.
That was a lot of fun.
Um, I for the first time in a long time, I was able to sit back yesterday, kick my feet up and watch some basketball and look perfect timing.
Celtics won 39 Lakers 107 And this was, um it was fun to watch for a number of reasons.
Obviously, beating LeBron has been a, uh, been a thing I've enjoyed since 2003.
You know, going back to that original ah, Celtics Cavs rivalry there that Ah, you know, LeBron obviously struggled to get past the past the Celtics during that time a garnet, Alan and Pierce.
And ah, so it's been fun to to hate on LeBron and tow.
Watch them lose last night or get beat up at at home, uh, at the garden and watch Jalen Brown dunk on LeBron was was it was a lot of fun.
Yeah, that gift for Jeff file however you pronounce it is going around social media this morning and with due cause.
I mean, you know, Jalen really is starting to come into his own.
You're really seeing the Celtics team when they're healthy, they can play with anybody.
And, you know, between the play of Jason Tatum, Kemba Walker didn't seem like the Lakers had any answer for him last night.
This was a big statement game for the Boston Celtics.
They want to prove that they can play with an elite team.
Yes, the Lakers air struggled in the last couple of games.
But let's face it, folks, they're going to be there in the thick of things when the playoffs start and when all is said and done.
And probably at this point, they're one of the stronger teams in the West.
They have a very good shot at coming out of that conference, and that's saying a lot, considering the teams that are playing in there right now.
But the Celtics air definitely capable of hanging around.
This is not a jayvee conference here in the Eastern Conference.
There are a lot of solid teams here is well on.
The Celtics are proving that they can play this.
A big statement win for them last night.
Good game planning by Brad Stevens Great execution by the Celtics especially in the first half, taking the Lakers right out of this game and really, they never had a shot to get back into it.
And it also to me says something about the Lakers.
The Lakers have been a team this year that when they're hitting the mouth a little bit, they kind, I don't want to say cower, but they don't have that counter plan that a team with a killer instinct in a championship makeup seems tohave.
They don't take the team's best punch and then keep fighting.
And they could have kept fighting last night.
Um, I don't even think the 1 37 109 final score was indicative of how much of a blowout that game really Waas.
And it really, really was a good old fashioned but weapon.
And at this point, you know, if the Lakers do some soul searching and this is a game that wakes them up a little bit, maybe this is the one that gets them back on track.
But their M O so far has been a team that kind of cowards in the corner when they when they face any type of adversity, yeah, and look, I mean, this loose later.
Seen it Team is 34 9 So it's not too often that they face adversity throughout the season.
But you know, these games always have a different feel to him, Just like, uh, you know, obviously stick into the Boston theme.
But the Boston, New York, the Red Sox Yankees rivalry.
Ah, the Bruins and Canadians, you know, no matter what, they always have just a different feel to him.
In this case, Celtics Lakers goes back, you know, 30 plus years.
So, um so this was a big win.
No matter how you slice it.
Obviously, the Lakers being the top team in the West, the Celtics have dealt with some health issues as of late.
So, um, they came into this game having only 14 of their last 10 games, so Ah, this was a huge win for them.
Obviously, they had everyone rolling.
Everyone was out there healthy.
Campbell was out there.
Obviously, Gordon Hayward was out there.
Ah, Daniel Tice was making plays and, as Cantor was was a beast on the boards.
And I mean again, there's this weird thing going around Ah, Celtics Twitter or at least it had been for the first few months of the season about you know, him just being kind of that scapegoat, for whatever reason.
And it's funny, you know, I don't I don't watch as much basketball as I do football during the season.
But it's like every time I turn on a Celtics game and I watched the guy play.
He's making plays and grabbing boards, things that the Celtics sorely lacked last year.
So ah, the hate that he was getting earlier in the season.
It was always kind of strange to me, but it seems, seems to, Ah, you seem to endear yourself quite well to the fan base when you do this, these type of things against the Lakers.
But, yeah, it's gonna be fun.
And, uh, you know, look, obviously with football winding down, it does give us an opportunity to spread our attention just a little bit.
Not that it's gonna you know football is gonna be dead.
You know, we do have the XFL coming up. Don't forget Mike.
Don't forget XFL coming up in a few weeks, But today today we're focused on a few things.
Obviously, we want to talk a little bit about Celtics.
There's some ah, you know, NFL news and headlines we're gonna get it to.
We're going to welcome in.
Ah are bringing Kyle Center, R F P C Packers managing editor, and we're going to kind of pick his brain about what happened with the Packers.
He's in there in the chat right now, so if you have any questions for him, feel free.
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Now that I got all that out of the way.
Mike, let's talk some ah football here.
So I mentioned to you off the air that I had a theory about a certain free agent quarterback and where he could potentially land that makes so much sense to me and real quick.
I'm not talking about Tom Brady because I've already said where he's going to land and that's New England.
And there's no other place that makes sense.
I'm talking about Eli Manning.
Yes, that's right.
The guy who beat Tom Brady twice in the Super Bowl. Yes, Mike.
I know it hurts.
Still, Um, Eli, obviously.
Ah, you know, his time in New York is done.
It's the Daniel Jones era.
And by all, uh, you know, assuming what we saw it then the last year is kind of farewell tour.
It isn't likely that he's going to be back.
However, I don't know if he's necessarily expressed the desire.
Do not play anymore.
I think he still kind of wants to play, but obviously he doesn't want to be a backup.
He wants to actually play football.
Um, so that begs the question.
Where could he do that? Where could he do that? Well, I you know, scouring and trying to think about this and trying to avoid any sort of ridiculous Tom Brady moving on talk.
Ah, one team really just popped out like I mean, it was the obvious choice.
And that's the Indianapolis Colts.
And for a lot of reasons, a lot of reasons that makes sense.
Obviously, last year they want they rolled with Jacoby percent, and he did it.
Admiral Admiral Admirable Job is always like that.
One word every day that I fumble.
Um, I'm like a tiki Barber before Ah, Tom Coughlin got ahold of There's always something that I'm gonna be fumbling, Uh, anyways.
Eli Manning going to Indianapolis.
That team is a team that, quite possibly as a quarterback away from being a serious playoff contender.
Not necessarily Super Bowl contender, but we'll see.
They have a line.
They have offensive weapons in place already.
They have a whole ton of cap space.
And how perfect would it be? How perfect would it be for Eli Manning to go end his career in the same place that his older brother got drafted and played a bulk of his career? And so to me, I feel like if Eli wants to play and if he was looking for the perfect situation, the Indianapolis Colts might be it.
And ah, I don't know to me if it makes more and more sense, the more I talk about it.
So what are your thoughts? It's intriguing.
It really, really is.
And you make an interesting case.
I mean, especially from a perspective of coming full circle.
Ah, I don't know what the future is going to hold up the quarterback position for the Indianapolis Colts.
Say it looked like they were trying to move forward with Jacoby, Burr said.
Obviously, down the stretch, it looked like Jacoby struggled a little bit.
And you start to wonder whether or not he's going to be the fit for that offense that the Indianapolis Colts hoped for.
If they are looking to bridge a year and try to bring in a new quarterback, a young quarterback tryto wait out. Maybe there were trade.
Or maybe some of these, you know, backups, possibly becoming a new option.
That's a possibility, but it would be an intriguing option.
Another name that you hear a lot with Indianapolis so connected with them, it's Teddy Bridgewater.
Obviously, they've got a very good amount of cap space This year.
They're going to be pursuing a free agent.
We hear Tom Brady's name thrown around there as well.
I don't see that necessarily happening, But I mean, there are worse places in terms of logistical on the field where he could go.
It's a dome stadium.
It's a young team.
It's good offense, very good offensive line, pretty good defense.
So there is a lot of attractiveness to going to Indianapolis to be the quarterback.
I think it would be an interesting move for them.
It would signal to me, though, if they were going to go with Eli Manning for this year, definitely not a long term solution known because Eli has maybe maybe one year, maybe two.
If you're really pushing it, I think at best, and that would be it for in.
But this would be a signal that Indianapolis is looking for a bridge year.
They're looking to bring along their young talent and then, you know, move forward for the future.
But Indy was a couple of, you know, just a couple of weeks away a couple of years ago from contending for a Super Bowl title.
I mean, this was a team that had finished the season strong, made a strong run in the playoffs, ran into a tough team, obviously, and they bowed out.
But it was a difficult, you know thing for them to swallow.
When Andrew Luck retired, I think they felt that they had something going in, something really cooking there.
We'll see what happens.
But I tell you I am intrigued by it.
I think it's an interesting possibility, and I think that, uh, I think you may have something there, my friends.
So let's let's keep a sharp eye on us.
The Eli Manning trade trained to Indianapolis.
No, look, I mean, and of course, it would only be a bridge.
And it would give them an opportunity to obviously further Ah, evaluate what they're going to do in the future with the quarterback position.
But look, I mean, you know, there's only if Eli wants to play and contend.
There's really only a handful of teams that he can do that with.
And that handful is really maybe one or two.
I mean, we talked about it doesn't go to the Chargers, or does he go to, you know, Jacksonville or earlier in the season was kind of the hot button, uh, hot team there.
But obviously, Coughlin is out now, so that kind of doesn't make sense in that sense.
Because, you know, Coughlin being there was kind of the big er big connection there, but yeah, I just I mean, look, it just from a from a team standpoint, you can't get a much better situation than that with the amount of protection in the light.
Now, now, you sit there and say, Oh, well, well, of course, that would be a great situation with Tom Brady.
Well, in theory, yes, but the two different situations, obviously Eli has has no longer owns that that starting quarterback position.
And I I think the disparity or the difference in skill is is pretty apparent.
So, um, however, Eli can still be a pretty effective and, um, you know, we'll see.
I mean, another name. Philip Rivers.
Ah, we just heard the other day that he is moving from San Diego into his house in Florida.
Um, obviously to be close to the family and all that.
And, you know, obviously there's a lot of uncer*****y about his future.
Um, and it doesn't look like he's going to be returning to Los Angeles.
So, um, he could be an option for in Indianapolis or a team like Miami.
If they decide they want to get, you know, move past fits magic, we'll see.
But, um, what, you're what You're What does your gut tell you about Philip Rivers? Tampa would actually be a very intriguing option for him.
I think you look at Mike Evans and you look at the players that they have around him.
And if they hold on to O.
Howard and don't decide to trade him in the off season, I think a lot can be said for that team.
There's there's definitely a lot of talent.
Jameis Winston was able to get a lot of production out of those wide receivers.
Of course, there's the interception problem with Winston, and I think that's why the Bucks are looking to move on from in.
But ultimately, I think Rivers would be a great fit in that system.
You look at him with Bruce Arians.
I mean, I think that's a logical fit.
Its veteran coach lining of veteran quarterback someone that can come in immediately command respect in that locker room.
Say what you will about Rivers.
Rivers is very highly respected throughout the league and he's played a high level pretty much his entire career, Uh, some spotters this year, and unnaturally, I think that he's probably toward the end of his career.
He's another one that maybe 12 years at the absolute max, and then I think you're going to see him walk away from the game.
But this could be interesting.
In Tampa Bay, you mentioned Miami.
I think Miami is gonna try to push a youth move and I wouldn't see them if they were going to move on from Fitz Magic.
I think they would do it for the right young quarterback.
I still think that, too, is going to be a good fit in that system and seeing what he could do if they do decide to bring him in and they're not, you know, scared away by is, ah, health and injury questions, then I think that's a good fit for him in Miami.
So, yeah, Tampa Bay's intriguing that that's definitely an eye opener.
I don't think he's headed back to Los Angeles.
I don't exactly know what they're going to do.
A TKO quarterback with that organization.
Despite of the rumors that consistently persist out there, I just I do not see Tom Brady going the Los Angeles.
So it's gonna be an interesting year for the Chargers as well.
This is gonna be a very defining year in terms of what they're going to do in the future.
This a team that couple of years ago, people thought was gonna compete for a Super Bowl spot, and now it's looking like, you know, they might have to take a few steps, photo back before they take a few steps forward.
So interesting times coming up.
But, uh, I do like rivers on the bucks. It's the possibility.
Definitely. Don't discount that.
Well, I think this is a perfect time for us to ah, get get 1/3 opinion on this matter and I will ask our guest now.
Senator Kyle, what do you think about my Eli to the Colts and ah, Mike's ah, Philip Rivers to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Prediction.
Um, so the first thing I want to talk about is so I'm gonna I'm gonna take over completely.
Good morning. Good morning. Way Jumped her.
Good morning, Mr way.
Yeah, we jumped right into it.
We're rolling today, so no time for introductions.
One thing that I would think of the hilarious is it? Eli went to the Chargers? Yes, snapping them, trading away that he finally landed. I don't think it's happy.
I think that for some reason, that organization is so tarnished with that family.
Yeah, I know the Ryan Leaf situation the way he was treated.
Although, you know, you asked Ryan Leaf and he takes full accountability for everything that happened in his life.
You know? You know, you said it on him.
He was he wasn't ready to be a professional.
So I wonder if, you know, maybe maybe the now that Ryan's life is back.
And I mean, all the details kind and released, Eli maybe looks a bit more fondly on the Chargers.
But then you look at, you know, some of things with Eric Weddle recently where they find him for going out at half time to watch his daughter saying during a game and just all these little things I don't think he goes the Chargers.
So, um, you lie to the Colts? I think it makes sense.
The problem I have is, I think Cohen percent is really getting, uh, you know, he's not really giving it full chance.
He played really well at the start of the year, and then he gets that freak knee injury where Rick Nelson actually steps on its put any kind of I don't know if it was a full, terribly strange.
And after that, his passes just not did not have the same velocity.
He really couldn't step in and and make those throws.
So I think percents poor play At the end, there was just injury related.
I think you've got something in percent.
You've got a decent contract.
And if you go and sign a free agent like Eli, I think you're completely racing out, so I don't like it at all.
You know, I think I think that's a better quarterback now because I think he likes washed.
Yeah, well, here's the Giants.
It looked bad and it wasn't even the throwing.
It was the not being able to read the field properly.
I always take it back to there was a you know, 2018.
It was a play where they're on the goal line.
Beckon is wide open on the goal line that for whatever reason, came into the team was, but they had come off coverage on him from the one yard line, which didn't make sense to me.
So it's that are the easiest pitch in cash to the slot to Beckham.
Instead, they run in with Mark in the middle and he gets stuffed or it's a negative one loss.
And you know Beckett was doing is I come wide open.
And how does Eli not receive that? Recognize that, check out of it and score a touchdown there, right? So just things like that, where the mental side of the game is really concerned because that should be the aspect of his game.
That's the strongest.
So I think Allie's needs to retire because I think any team that brings them in here wasting money, and I actually think the same thing that Rivers.
I don't think he played that well last year.
Tampa would be the only interesting option, because in my mind you don't have a quarterback that right now where is, you know, the cold temper sets? I'd like to see what Tyrod Taylor could do with Anthony.
Limit the Chargers, so the Bucks might be the only team you know, maybe the Patriots of Brady retires.
They're looking for a veteran to come in and they don't know, You know, they don't want to restart with a young player just yet, or they don't believe sitting is the guy, which I don't think that's a stretch to say that he's not the guy, you know, Maybe that's an option.
But I I wouldn't be surprised if both Rivers and Eli retired.
Yeah, and And look, that's certainly an option.
And the reason I I look at the cultures because it's everything there is everything there to prop up quarterback.
So this isn't me thinking that you lie still.
I got, like, a lot in them.
I just think he has, you know, maybe maybe I'm miss evaluating that, but may I think, you know, given the people around him, that the line, the protection, the coaching, all that I think he could still be effective.
But, you know, again, it's gonna be the best.
Sorry. No, no, no. Go for it.
It probably would be the best offensive line that he's ever had in his career.
I don't think the line was decent when they were winning super bowls.
But it's been This is all the United League.
So yeah, well, in the Giants line has been God awful thing at the end of the year.
Yeah, yeah, it's It's Terran.
Look, I mean, you know, Mike and I obviously are big fans and eight shoulder, but you know, the second he signed that contract Ah, you know, we're not even talking about Eric Flowers.
But, you know, Nate Solder obviously, is just not the player that he used to be in.
And there's a lot of reasons for that age, obviously, the extenuating cir***stances, you know that he's going through in terms of what he's dealing with with his family, all that.
But you know, you bring in the guys like that to be key ****s on that offensive line, and they're just not getting the job done.
So, you know you lie, you know, in his advanced age is constant and pressure.
So again, there's a lot of things in my in my mind that would prop him up if he were to go there.
So it's not like him like taking taking over, and I do like jacoby percent, but I just I don't think Indy thinks he's the long term answer.
So in that sense, it feels like it might be a way waste to commit a lot of time to him.
You know what I'm saying? Like it's not a knock on him, but no go for Think it's a waste.
I think it's a waste of a deal.
Well, yeah, yeah, well, it's on.
Honestly, honestly, I mean, this is This is the situation you're in when you know your franchise quarterback retires before the age of 30.
I mean, so this isn't like a standard situation, you know? The colt, sir, are are a team that has built around the player, the quarterback that is no longer there anymore.
So they still have the team.
They're just lacking that quarterback.
So again, it's, um, that's kind of where men at that look, I love Jacoby percent.
I'll always root from him, and it seems strange, but the route for a quarterback for the Colts, in my opinion, But, um, I do it and you know it's because I like to Colby, but it just at the end of day, I just I feel like they're just if they roll with Jacoby percent.
I think there's a certain ceiling that they have.
Um do I think Eli is gonna be the answer? Who knows? I mean, I mean, that's the thing.
Like, he could go out and have, like, this one last, like, mediocre, too good season.
And it could be enough to put the Colts in the playoffs because I think, you know, I think very highly of the players around him.
But again, this is we're getting.
We're at the point of the off season where, like, just speculation, is running rampant.
I mean, literally, we have people Ah, talking about every team, that the pay, you know, Tom Brady spoke to Mark Davis and all of a sudden Vegas could be an option.
Come on, relax, people.
This is I mean, I we're getting We're getting caught up in it as well because we're sitting here saying, Oh, you like Thio Indianapolis and Philip Rivers to ah, the Tampa Bay.
But at least we know those two players air, very likely not returning to their former team, Eli, specifically Philip.
I think we can assume quite a bit from from some of the actions of the last couple weeks or so.
So, um, but enough about those quarterbacks, Kyle, we brought you on here for for a number of reasons.
One, obviously you r r f P c.
Packers managing editor.
So we need to pick your brain about the Packers and obviously falling short in the NFC championship game.
And we want to give you a chance event and to ah, you know, kind of exercise these demons of this past weekend.
So Ah, real quick, real basic.
Kyle, what happened to this Packers team? Because we talked a lot about ah, what they had to do to stay competitive in this game, and it just looked like it.
It just never got going for them.
I mean, they ran into an offensive line that really knows how to walk, and they couldn't handle it.
They just based return.
Most of us finding lanes t run through it, you know, 220 rushers, second most all time in the last game, so that that dead wasn't an accident.
Um, the packers run defense was a struggle all year.
This might have been their worst game.
I think it absolutely was their worst game.
The one thing that they did, why was he didn't allow, like a massive run like there wasn't like a Dalvin Cook 75 yard touchdown.
Mostar's longest run was 36 yards, which is still wait too long.
I want to see that.
But at least it wasn't just one big run to elevate the total, which almost makes it worse, because then it was just consistent consistently getting chunk yardage, consistent getting first downs from the run game.
So, um, I knew the Randy here is gonna be a struggle.
All year I wrote about in the preseason is one of my biggest concerns for the Packers.
And it came to fruition throughout the season, especially, but especially here in the NFC championship game.
Yeah, and and And, look, I mean, that was Who's again, Like you said, I don't know what's worse.
The big gash, like the big Ray Rice run first play of the game up the middle and you know your hopes are dashed right right away.
Or is it just the inability to never be able to stop them running? I mean that because that's frustrating in itself, you know being able to sit there and knowing that.
Look, Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna throw eight passes this game and you're gonna lose by like, the score was 37 to 20.
And I feel like it was not even that close.
And you know what I mean? Like, and that's not it just It was just one of those games where I think the Packers were just Ultimately, I I I thought they were overmatched going into the game.
However, I thought it was gonna be ah, little bit.
Actually, I guess I didn't think it was gonna be a little bit closer because because my score ah, difference was about the same.
It was just the scores itself.
I just thought that this was a game that was gonna kind of be a 40 Niners running away with it at the end.
So I thought it was gonna be kind of close for ah, a couple quarters, two or 3/4 and I thought, 40 Niners, we're just gonna kind of impose their will at the end.
But, um, really this this game was over pretty pretty quickly.
It was kind of clothes in the third.
Yeah, we have for, you know, for for a little bit.
Um, although again, I you know, I I I kind of, you know, take that with a little bit of grain assault, because again, you know, you different mentalities for the teams, you know, considering what the score was and everything like that.
And, you know, I don't, you know, especially in the first half.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers had his best game, and then that was that was a little surprising because I did think he was gonna play.
But, I mean, obviously, he picked it up there in the second half.
But again, we can sit here and debate say, Well, you know, obviously you know when it when it teams up 27 or 27 nothing and 34 to 3 or whatever.
You tend to ease off the gas pedal a little bit when it comes to playing.
You know, tight, tough defense.
So I was pretty disappointed in the way I thought he was gonna be Ah, be a little bit better.
I mean, again, you know, he picked it up there at the end.
But you know, by the time you hit halftime, it was 27.
I thought the game was over.
Um, I didn't really give them a chance to come back in this game.
And, you know, for a lot of reasons.
And and look, I mean, the 40 Niners are a great team, and they were They were favored.
Uh, rightfully so.
I mean, so this isn't like, you know, you show up and play.
Ah, inferior team.
And you lay an egg.
No, you you showed up and used you kind of run.
It ran into a bus off.
I mean, let's face it, I mean, this 40 united team when they're on look easily like the best team in the NFL, and it's gonna be interesting to see.
But, Mike, you still there? I I meant to check in on your once We got Kyle on here because sometimes you cut off.
Okay. Good. You're still here, I believe.
Yes, I am still among the living folks.
Yes, great stuff.
And Ian did, uh, you know, kind of lead into ah, my question very nicely.
And we hear all the time about players stepping up in big games and having big games.
Um, obviously, especially in the first half, Rogers did struggle again.
I agree with the and I thought he picked it up in the second half.
Thought he played well enough in the second half to be able to lead the Packers back in terms of blame pie, which is something that we like to talk about up here.
A lot of New England.
New England loses.
You want to look for someone to blame.
And with an organization like the Packers, like the Patriots, you know you're used to seeing them win more than you used to seeing them lose in Green Bay right now.
What's the finger on the pulse of this team? And if you're gonna slice blame pie in terms of what happened to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, how much of it is Roger's deserve? Or is this really more on the defense just being gashed on the run? Uh, right from the get go? Well, first off, I think you know the context of the season.
You know, at least exploring a 13 and three year with the first year head coach getting to the NFC championship game.
As much as there is you mentioned.
Blame pie to be passed around.
I don't know that this pie is very large.
I think for the most part you look I don't have the season is a very successful one.
I mean, I have the Packers winning the division in our preseason critic projections, Um, more because I really believe in the Vikings.
And I thought it would be between the Packers and Bears and that they would both get into the playoffs.
Um, I have the Packers losing in the NFC Championship game to, er, the divisional round story to the Eagles because they wouldn't be able to stop the rhyme.
Yeah, what do you know? And so to get to the NFC Championship game and you have this record with forget it first year head coach, I think, is, you know, first off, I think it's deserves tons of crap.
So loss on the blame.
I actually kind of Yeah, I think it's Ah, it's a big media.
You go three way split 33 33 33 Between the run defense.
I don't know that it's necessarily schemed by Mike Patton, because there were.
I counted 10 miss tackles, so players were in the right position to make plays.
They didn't places.
I don't put this on my pet turtle.
I thought that I thought that what they had with what they had to work with, uh, which is, I think, the binky here, um, he put implemented a game plan.
That was pretty good. So I don't put this on patent.
I put, you know, 1/3 of it on the defense for just not executing even that, You know, maybe it's more 40% and than 25% Rogers because he didn't play well, you're you're radiant.
Although, I will say, for an NFC championship game, it was maybe his best.
Yeah, he's really struggling in the championship game.
And, you know, the the defense dominated the bears the one year So they were able to get to the Super Bowl, and they played amazing in the Super Bowl.
Some of the best shows you've ever seen anyone make.
Really? Oh, absolutely.
And then, uh, you know, the Seahawks game defense was dominant.
Europe 16. Nothing.
And you blow that lead, Uh, so that that wasn't really great performance by him.
The Falcons game is okay.
That was just it was the same thing here.
The defense couldn't do anything, Uh, instead of run defense.
When it was passed defense and they couldn't stop.
Julio and Rogers actually played okay, so these last two championship rings have been better for him in terms of his play.
But he made some bad throws.
I thought his first interception.
That was a horrible throat.
Uh, he's usually really good at protecting the football.
He'll he'll put the bowl Oh, he'll make his receivers go down and make tough catches knowing that you're not picking it off.
I don't know if Alison ran the wrong route, but that passes really high.
I thought he would have gone a lot lower about forced Alison to go down and make a tough catch, which he's done before on did not give that chance of interception.
And that was really on Roger's like it was a deep past, our fields, that stuff that kind of put too much blame on it, but it's still it.
You know, that wasn't a great I don't mind the second interception.
When when you're that Sherman got when you're Yeah, you're down three scores.
You're forcing too deep. You have no choice.
That was That was That was a good play by sharpen, too.
I mean, he got here.
He covered a lot of ground to make that play.
So, you know, I'm reminded me of catsup on, you know me, the Kevin King interception against the Vikings a week 16 where cousins went deep in the covered from the opposite corner and got down there and play.
Yeah, so that was fine.
Uh, I thought one thing, the other, the other part of the blame, I guess I think goes to Brian.
Because the way he managed the cap this year and certain pit personnel decisions I didn't like.
I love a lot of the things that he did bring in Jerry Smith, Crested Smith, Adrian animals, the draft picks.
That was a great draft pick.
Uh, you know, and people are kind of criticizing out when them trading up nine spots to get him.
And a lot of people I know just about the draft were were shocked that they traded up for him.
They thought they could have got him a 29 and they were wasting 1/5 round pick trading up but with how well sa***es played this year.
I thought, you know, that that was warranted, that they wanted a versatile safety.
And I guess they thought all the other safeties in the first round where either pigeonholed free, you're strong safety.
They didn't they didn't have someone who could switch around.
And so I like those decisions.
I love the Elton Jenkins take in the third round, but it's one.
Well, I guess I'll say two particular decisions that I thought really mess this team up.
We're looking at mid July and this team, it seems like Okay, yeah, would work.
You know, this is a good unit here. Great.
A lot of talent on this defense.
And they out of nowhere.
Release Mike Daniels Daniels, who, if you look at the splits when he was in and out of the Packers, line up with one aspect of the game that was really affected, was there run defense? So I knew without him, they're run defense is gonna struggle this year, and they didn't properly replace it with anybody.
Mon Travis Adams was expected today, you know, take a big step up.
He played 11% of the defense of snaps in the championship game, but he really clearly wasn't ready.
And I don't mind mine from on Travis Adam's. He said.
Give me the cheap contract, good depth piece.
But you know, they were projected to be a starter on that defensive line in absence of Mike Daniels, and he really wasn't able to.
I wonder how much different this game and this season in this run defense would have been with Mike Daniels on, and they cut him t o save nine and 1/2 1,000,000 next year on the cow.
That was that almost to me spoke like we weren't gonna win the Super Bowl.
They were kind of almost giving up on this year because there's moments where you know my mind.
The Packers season ended, right? It's to me.
It was that Robin Gold Field goal at the end of the game before half minutes left.
Because it's a two score game at that point, that's enough time to get the ball back to get a quick score.
Yet Gayle Young sidekick, quick score.
You could mean there's still there's still hope.
So saying there's a chance, Thea other Well, there's two other moments where it kind of ended to me.
Was that Cory Lindsley trouble? I'm not saying Aaron Rodgers fumble with Aaron Rodgers didn't even touch that Football glory Lindsley fumble.
Um, because that the offense was driving at that point, getting downfield and looked like they were finally gonna put points up on the board.
And it's only 17.
So if you can even a field goal there, it's nice to make it a two score game and then you fumble to me.
That's where when that happened, I thought it's over.
That was the trans chance they needed.
They needed that drive.
And if to not get points there and to just extending the 40 Niners kick a field goal.
Uh, you know, after getting the football back and that was 20 nothing s so to me.
It it kind of ended there, But I almost thought when I saw my nails get cut, I thought the Super Bowl hopes ended there.
But I knew that that was run.
Defense is gonna be an issue because of that.
And guess what? We're right.
So I you know, mostly on the defense, dude and cursed for this decision.
Even though He made a lot of great decisions this year, but that one, really I didn't get it.
I still don't get it.
Really? Um, to me, if you were gonna cut anyone to save money, would've been Jimmy Graham.
But I ran up with Jimmy Graham and I Well, I I I compared to him going up to catch passes like, Ah, like those drills that you used to defend against J.
What were you putting on tennis rackets on your hands and you just go up and try to squeeze the ball together because to me, every time I see him go up and try to make a play like that, that's what it looks like because I'm like, How is the guy that was so good in New Orleans? You have such a big, big body, and big hands not be able to go up and and win those battles and can catch those consistently.
So, um, yeah, I would I would have been, You know, I've seen a lot of Packers fans on Twitter be very frustrated who Jimmy Graham and I agree with him.
I would be, too.
It's it's It's tough.
It's kind of like Thea, you know, maybe not as bad, but the Scott Chandler error Patriots football where, like, he came in like, Oh, the twin towers there.
You know Gronk and Scott Chandler.
And then Gronk goes down and you realize, got Chandler's really not that that good and can't catch consistently.
So, um yeah, Look, I gotta agree with you because it is I like, you know, if I would if I was being petty and wanted to rub it in people's faces, I can sit here and be like, always all Aaron Rodgers, but it wasn't because, like, this is kind of like the chicken and the egg here, like, yes, he could have played better in the first half.
But you know, if if if the other half of the team isn't stepping up to pick him up, it's impossible for him to recover.
And eventually, you know, it just gets to a point where you're down by such a large margin that the other team is inevitably gonna soften up a little bit.
It's going to give you a chance.
It's just in the situation there.
There's the deficit was too large, and then even in the flip side.
They they weren't able to get stops after that.
Like so for me, it sze definitely a tough, tough way to end the season.
But I like the perspective that you took because again, there's there's this strange, huh? E I don't know what it is, and, you know, I don't want to sit here and be arrogant.
Say that's because of the Patriots success.
There's this, you know, unfair.
I guess I don't want to say unfair, but there's this ridiculous standard set where, you know, for some certain teams like the Patriots, the Packers, you know that the NFL's historical teams the teams that are always in the mix.
There's this incredibly high standard that if you don't go to and win a Super Bowl than your seasons of failure and you know in a way in a raw sense of it, yes, because ultimately the goal is you want to win a Super Bowl.
So in that sense, okay, yes, maybe you failed to get to that goal, however, like you said with a first year head coach.
After having two seasons under 500 out of the playoffs, you go and win the division go 13 and three, even with some of the issues that you faced and really a team that you know, depending on again.
Like I said, I I don't think this is a you can't determine in one game Oak Rogers has done. That's not the case.
No, you still got obviously enough in the tank t run this team and win with this team.
I think they're a few tweaks away from from really being a a more solid say, 13 and three team, or even a 12 and 14 that could win the division and make some noise in the playoffs.
So, um, you know, obviously the in the immediate aftermath, it's disappointing.
Watch their team, you lose that you follow.
However, I think it brought up a great point that, you know, look, there's a lot of positives that could be taken out of this.
And, you know, at least now you're not ending this season with questions at the head coaching position.
You know what I'm saying? Like at least you're not going into this head, you know, saying OK, is this the year that they're finally gonna move on and then open up more questions.
Okay, So what's gonna happen with new guy? Well, we know what's happening with the new guy now, and that's a lot of positive.
So you build off that and hopefully rebound next year and and look at Rogers.
You know, he's in my opinion, you know, I think he started to a little bit a lot because of injury, but he's got Ah, um, I think he's and I said this.
I think at the beginning of the year, I think he just gotta focus more on his fundamentals and inside the pocket work.
I mean, he's really good at it, but I think he's just gotta leave this whole ah, scrambling to make plays.
Ah, hero football behind him.
I mean, he's too old for it.
It opens them self up to injury.
If he gets hit outside the pocket and it really gets wrecked, I think again he's very good inside the pocket.
I think he needs to really focus on that and be that type of player and less about, you know, you pulling a rabbit out of your hat to win a game, you know, do the more fundamentally sound things moving forward because that's that's That's how this team is going to get better moving forward.
So but you want to sleep good, Little bit more lame and a CZ greatest.
Matt LeFlore had a season I put about maybe 5% blame on him in this game because I thought the one thing that the Packers started doing really well that that driver Lindsley fumbled.
They were going no huddle and that that up tempo offense, I thought they went up.
The waited a little too long before they did that because the third quarter they did a ton of that.
That's where they were getting the scoring drives.
Um, now I part of me that I don't have too much fun because I get I get why the floor didn't go up temple right away because what you didn't want to do was go no huddle, go three out really quickly and then put your defense right back on the field and get tired so they were because they actually time possession was almost even at half time.
They would have 27 nothing, so I didn't know, but so I thought maybe they should have had a bit more urgency a little bit quicker.
You know, when you're down 17 nothing, that's where I guess they did kind of start going.
But even before that, I think, um, I think that the no huddle was maybe they waited a little too long at it.
So I think that's just one more thing.
I'd like that. Yeah.
And, you know, that's something that sometimes watching patriots play, you get frustrated with the play calling like, Okay, we know that no huddle works.
Well, why? But again, at the same time, you bring up a great point.
You know, the no huddle works great until you have two or three plays in a row where you kind of not execute.
Then all of a sudden you're like, Oh, crap.
Now I'm giving the ball right back and you know, that kind of kicks you right in the bring the rear end.
So we'll shift gears real quick and safe from a perspective of the Chiefs.
Because obviously, now the chiefs are gonna have to go up against the 40 manners and the Super Bowl.
Um, how would you suggest that the chief's obviously two different types of offenses? The Packers and the Chiefs at this point, and, you know, the current makeup of the two.
But what, in your opinion, what do the Chiefs have to do to to really? Ah, slow down this 40 Niners team both offensively and defensively? Uh, you know, I don't want to just be that guy that's always saying to run the football. Yeah.
Having a heavy dose of of David Williams will go a long way, I think.
Um, although I you know from the chief's I'm not too worried about this 40 Niners defense.
Maybe maybe they should be more.
Um, but I mean Okay, So who is that your best defense this year? It unequivocally the four riders in the Patriots.
The chief's got it.
It wasn't an easy game against the Patriots, but they moved the ball really well.
It didn't seem like they struggled too much.
So I'm not too worried about their ability.
Ivy I and I mean no bones, but I think the Chiefs are gonna win.
I've been saying that for the last since the playoffs started.
I've had winning the Super Bowl, but I know a lot of people were saying Ravens 40 Niners, but I just I don't know that anyone can stop Patrick Holmes, And I think as long as you're putting up a ton of points, I think any early lead on these 40 Niners enforcing Jimmy Garoppolo to throw because I don't know, you guys think I still don't have faith in Jimmy Garoppolo.
You didn't really show me much in that game.
There was the one past a Kittle in the third quarter.
That was a great past.
First out, beautiful.
Other than that, you thought, I don't often do both Samuel takes and 30 yards after the catch like I'm not.
That was half of his yardage, and I'm not one Throw that where he threw it, but it wasn't even past the line of scrimmage.
So if you if the chief's got an early lead, which they haven't been doing in these last name, so I think they need to come out and first quarters tend to be a bit of a struggle, it's usually the second quarter where they start to take over.
I think they have to have a great first quarter, forced the 40 Niners out of their game plan and force Garoppolo to to throw the football.
And I think you have a really great chance of winning then because, uh, him against that chief's defense.
I don't I don't think Rocco's gonna have very much success at all.
Well, uh, you know the same thing with the Packers.
Kittle, the Kills, the X factor.
Garoppolo can just feed Kettle.
Maybe that's how he has hope.
But Well, I I was going to say to, you know, this is a game Jimmy is gonna have to throw.
And I know like, you know, sometimes he doesn't He just doesn't have to know.
When you get 220 yards more touchdowns for from your running back, you know, you're not really having to throw the ball, especially with such a big lead like that.
But I agree with you.
I mean, we just haven't.
We've seen moments for him throughout the season where he's elevated his game.
But then we've also seen moments where he hasn't and, you know, this is this is the Super Bowl.
You know, this isn't just a regular season primetime game.
This is, you know, the last game of the season for every team S O s.
Oh, yeah, there is some concern and look from the chief side.
They can't start slow.
You know, these last two teams that they play, especially Texans.
I mean, you could you could start slow against the Texans will.
They'll eventually give you a chance.
So, uh, you know, but the 40 Niners aren't the Texans, and they're not the Titans.
And this is more of a compliment to the Titans and the Texans.
Just because I think the Times were a pretty good team that just felt a little bit short.
I think the Texans were completely overmatched.
You fall behind his 40 Niners team.
I don't care who you have playing under center thought.
This chief's team isn't going to be able to, um, come back from 10 points, 17 points down.
I don't think against this 40 Niners team because they do do a good job of controlling the clock and not turning the ball over, especially if they keep the ball out of Jimmy Garoppolo Sands.
Because, look, if the 40 Niners go up by a couple scores in this game, you don't really need Jimmy crapola throw.
You just got to do to do what he does, and that's enough to win this team a lot of games this season.
So, um, I think this is gonna be an incredibly great matchup.
I think that the fact that it's it's, it's essentially a point spread here at this point.
This early on before the game, I think, speaks volumes as to how close this match up it's going to be.
And it's really gonna come down to, um, can the 40 Niners offense do enough to keep pace with the chief's offense? And, you know, for the most part, can the 40 Niners play their game defensively? Because if they can play their game defensively, then I think they're gonna win this game and they might win it by double digits.
But ah, that's Ted's a big if in it's it's a lot easier said than done with this chief's offense.
So Kyle appreciate you coming on kind of last minute.
So I pray you hopped on and it kind of worked in tight things together because I was working on a game plan for today because we're tryingto tryingto work.
We work around, you know, the football season winding down.
So, uh, I appreciate it.
Give the folks out there chance if they don't know already where to follow you.
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I've got to have still to write up the recap of this NFC championship being.
I'll get the emotional investment now that that's DOD night, kind of dive into it a bit more and talk with all the times every He most, uh, gallop through the Packers rush defense, and I guess the one aspect that works for the 40 Niners here just to briefly go back to that is the Chief's run defense is that's the weak link of their defense.
Is also maybe maybe you're onto something here with the foreigners with E.
I don't think that the foreigners will be able to blow the chief's, but who knows? Well, like I said, we're gonna have a lot of time when I say a lot of time.
I'm talking hours and hours and hours, just like Kevin Malone from the office and ours of of time to talk about this.
So I'm sure we will beat the dead horse to death even more throughout these next two weeks.
But hopefully by next Friday, when we give our official picks on this show and then, of course, we're gonna have some Super Bowl.
The plans are still in the works, but we're gonna have some incredible Super Bowl coverage over that weekend.
So, um, I am, and I'm assuming Kyle will be a part of it cause we all enjoy Kyle on here.
So, Kyle, once again thank you for joining us.
Ah, we'll have you on again soon.
All right, Mikey. And thanks for having me. Guys.
Appreciate it very much.
anytime, my friend. Thanks for coming on.
All right, So that was Kyle Center.
Are fbc Packers managing editor and, of course, our fbc um, fantasy football managing editor as well.
So So, Mike, this is Ah, this is gonna be a fun week.
Um, you know, we're gonna obviously start to really dive into this game a little bit.
We're gonna break down.
We're gonna I You know, I had a fun idea, and this is actually it's not really my idea.
It was your idea that you had a couple weeks ago, but, um, I think Friday might be the day that we really dive into some of these ridiculous social media takes that we've seen over the last few weeks.
So So maybe we'll go through and run through a bunch of those awesome awesome tweets that that letter our phones and tablets and computer every day.
Nothing ever outlandish on social media.
Everybody so levelheaded takes or so reasonable and its people act.
People act in such a civil cord.
It's it's really it's, you know, it's gonna be tough to pick them out.
It really, really is.
I mean, it's gonna be tough to pick out some of those anyone's because there's so few and far between.
Yeah, it's not like anyone's ever said that Patrick Rome's is the best football player ever already.
I mean, that would be a little Oh, wait a minute.
Max Kellerman did say that.
So you get the idea of where we're going out with this, because again that to me, is it's ridiculous.
Anyone who says otherwise, look this it's not an opinion.
Yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion that that is true.
But guess what? It doesn't mean.
Ah, lot of people have opinions that are just flat out wrong.
And And guess what? If you think Patrick Problems is the greatest NFL player of all time right now, then you're you're wrong.
Look, it's not me being a hater or jealous or anything like that.
No, you're you're wrong. Like relax.
I mean, look, he's had a fantastic start to his career.
If he wins the Super Bowl, great.
You can only imagine the over the top.
Aah! Celebration if he wins the Super Bowl.
But but let's face it like you gotta pump the brakes a little bit on and enjoy what you're watching from him and stop trying to elevate him to the levels off of guys that have done it so much longer than he has.
And it's not no disrespect to him.
But guess what? In this world, you're not given things.
You've got to actually do it.
You have to accomplish it until he does.
Until he does it to the level that some of these other players have done it, then I don't want to hear his name mentioned among those players.
I mean, it's just it's just how it is.
It's incredibly exist, respectful and it's it's so short sighted.
And what's what's amazing to me is that guys like Kelemen get away with it.
I mean, you have a national platform and you masquerade as, ah, quote unquote sports ****ysts, and this is a Catholic garbage you put out there all four clicks.
Even if it you know, if that's the case, great, you're you're ah, you're taking advantage of the situation.
But, you know, where's your where's your dignity? You know, where's your self respect? Like you're gonna go up there and purposely look like an idiot for clicks like I'm sorry.
Like I go up here and I accidentally look like an idiot.
So you can't put that on me.
You know, I don't do it intentionally.
It just it just happens naturally.
But if I were to, you know, sell my soul to go out there and say, Well, lebron's Thea the 9900 and 99 best player to ever play the scapegoat? No, I would be wrong and I would be stupid.
So, uh, but yes. Oh, Friday.
Soon as I started to work myself up there, I felt like I was the ultimate warrior shaking the ropes.
Right now it's starting to get or Hulk Hogan wagging my finger, you know, getting, you know, hook up and all that. That's right.
Ian is hulking up as we trade.
Yes, he's getting ready. He's getting pumped.
But that's right.
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