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Good morning, everybody.
And welcome to FBC Radio Live It is Tuesday, January 14 2020.
I am in England and I am joined, of course, by Mr Mike Debate.
He made the his triumphant return to the opinionated column yesterday.
Mike, how we doing today? Oh, no.
Oh, Doing pretty well, buddy.
Doing pretty well.
It felt good to be back in the saddle again, delving into a little blues brothers for that, Not that column.
And it felt good, but always, always great to join you and give you my opinion every morning here on NBC Radio Live as well.
So back in the saddle, brother.
Hey, you know, this is this is a This is a This is a strange day for us because again, this is the first time in several weeks that it hasn't We haven't been 100% focused on the NFL.
Obviously, we touched a bit on divisional round weekend yesterday.
We gave our thoughts our opinions on that We will continue to ah, break down these games coming up.
We have all week to do it.
Of course, like we have the last couple weeks, we'll give our picks on Friday.
That kind of keep you guys hanging on a little bit of Ah ah, fishing pole here. We got you.
We got you on the hook.
We're gonna bring in, and we're gonna be able to give you those picks on Friday.
But in the meantime, we're going to kind of fill in the gaps and talk about some of the other plenty of things going on in the sports world.
Specifically, break down a few things and give some opinions and have some fun with it.
And again, like I mentioned yesterday, hopefully have a few guests to That'll help ah, shoulder the load for us and make us not feel too well.
But like I made an executive decision today, and that was and I know a lot of people out there have already seen the video on Twitter of, ah, Mrs or Miss Patrick Mahomes, Britney Matthews.
But, um, it's probably got to be probably, you know, there's a lot of annoying videos on the Internet, but, um, this may be perhaps the most annoying video I've ever seen in my life, and I couldn't even bring myself to pull the audio to play it for us.
It just I couldn't do it.
It was it was killing me this morning, and I just I couldn't complete the task.
Or or again, you should be thanking me for not playing that, but, ah, am I the only Am I crazy here? Because to me, it about it is.
I came to a sudden realization last night.
I think I love Patrick Mahomes.
I think I am the biggest fan of Patrick for homes, and I just don't realize it yet.
But I'm gonna tell you why.
Because when you consider all the cir***stances surrounding Patrick Mahomes the obnoxiously loud girlfriend the ah, I guess annoying brother who was kind of, you know, playing third wheel to them.
Thea questionable teammates, you know, specifically, Tyree kill the obnoxious fan base.
Not all of them.
A small percentage, but once once again, they are always the loudest, um, be over the top infatuation from the national media.
All those factors make me want to hate this guy.
But I can't, and I can't like I haven't gone over that like I haven't got over that hump where I'm just like I can't stand this guy.
Like, Do I want to see Kansas City when? Probably not.
But what? I be upset to see him when a Super Bowl? I don't Absolutely not.
And I think these are all the extenuating.
The the ah ah, deafening sound of playing that this morning, so Ah, you can thank me, Mike, if you want.
Yes, we do. Thank you.
Ah, you can definitely speak on behalf of our listeners that we thank you for not playing that again.
Haven't even Chiefs fans are probably looking at that and saying, Yeah, completely cringeworthy.
Just, you know, just just let the man make his soup meeting Patrick Holmes.
Let him do what he does on the field.
Because what he does on the field is dynamic.
A lot of this stuff takes away from that.
And I think a lot of people are probably indebted to you this morning.
I could speak for myself and say that I am indebted to you for sparing us.
Ah, that my ears Thank you as well.
Well, I may have not pulled that audio clip But I did talk to a person who knows a guy who knows a guy who does a little bit of Ah, you know how you can, uh, add 20 years to a picture? Wasn't someone's fathers, brothers, nephews, cousins fly? It sounds something like that.
Something I believe.
So it was It was the same guy that told Seth I any one place anyways? Ah, you know how they have the ability to Ah, you know, kind of make it seem, you know, give you your picture 20 years of age that can give you somewhat of an idea what you look like.
Um, I managed to get ahold of someone, okay.
And this I didn't even know this technology existed.
I managed to get ahold of someone who was able to figure out between Britney's voice and Patrick's voice what a potential offspring would sound like.
And this this may shock you, but this this is what he came back to me with.
First of all, that the baby speaks.
Ah, English already and, you know, express his feelings that way.
But, uh, that's certainly no call that complete things about.
Yeah, it happens to sound a lot like that guy from Police Academy, you know? Yeah.
Are you picking up on that as well? You know, it's amazing.
It's a It's a striking resemblance.
Somebody let me just put it that way.
And I have never I was I was almost floored when I heard.
That's because I'm, like, this has to be legit.
So, um, so again, if if if if those two stay together, that's what That's what we have to look forward to, Um, maybe maybe patrolling the sidelines one day, You know, 2035 or something? Bob Kit, Homes, Actually, you know, you know, I kind of like, you know, that's actually not a bad name.
I mean, that's kind of Ah, that's kind of a snappy like, uh, I don't know.
I mean, it has a good athlete ring, and that would be a good jazz musician.
Think about Oh, yeah.
That's That's C C.
We're onto something here, I think.
Tonight at the blue loud.
Yeah, playing all your favorites, including Oh, man. Yeah.
Uh, so I again I mean, the guy's obviously top of his field when it comes to ah, creating these voices.
So, you know, given props, I you know, he didn't want me to give his business out because it tends to be a little, you know, you know, is so you know, you don't you don't want to deal with this guy too often.
I'm just saying, you know, he he does a good job, and I think this was a pretty accurate representation of what's to come.
But no kidding aside.
Ah, that her voice was incredibly annoying.
Obviously, you know, people poke fun at Patrick Jones again.
It's all in good fun.
And I'm I'm admitting my my love for Patrick Holmes today.
And look, it goes beyond all these silly, stupid cir***stances to and from a pure football standpoint, it ah, you know, it's it's hard not to like the guy when he plays.
And in our, um FBC Cheese Managing editor Ah Brady and holiday check.
He shared a screenshot of the first touchdown pass that the chief's O.
Patch moans through.
That gave them seven points and it was ah again the quote unquote rubber out from calc aside, it depends on what team it is, what you call it.
It's either rub route or an illegal pick play.
It's the chief's.
It's a rubber out.
It's Patriots and illegal pick play, but that's neither here nor there.
But regardless, he showed a snapshot off the play, and it was like it was Ah, it was a shortened little wheel route.
So obviously it wasn't like it was pretty much just a little scene by the running back, you know, you know, run outside slightly, and then you kind of cut it up the middle.
Well, the throw was before they're running back, you know, six yards from where he caught it in stride before the running back even turned his head.
Mahomes was released in the ball and placing it perfectly.
And I commented like I don't you know, the circus type.
No look throws the throws off your feet that things that I look at and say OK, this is great when it happens, but it's not sustainable.
Ah, what he does and how he can see the game, because that shows great anticipation in great trust in your teammates, to knowing where they're going to be like, I mean look, it's a nice route by the running back, but his job was made ah, 100 times easier by the throw in.
And again, I just want to highlight that.
Because yes, sometimes maybe it comes across as me not liking the guy and and of course, you know again, Like I said when we started the show, I've kind of come to the realization that the reason I don't like him quote unquote, is for all the reasons not involving him.
So I'm turning over a new leaf in that sense.
And, er yeah, and then that's just on example for me.
Like, if you want to impress me, impress mother throws like that.
And, you know, I don't want to sit there and see googly eyes over every no look pass that he doesn't complete.
That just happens to, you know, move forward.
You know what I mean? So ah, that's where I'm at with that.
And, uh, yeah, that's that's how we're going to start the show talking about his girlfriend and, uh, no.
I mean, look, I think you're absolutely right.
Look, we love to when we're making fun, we're, you know, we're taking this morning and, you know, like, you know, whatever, whether it be annoying brothers or whether it be girlfriends that, like Thio, you know, the spew.
Ah, you know, made up harassment stories and things like that are not a child.
It's one of the See there.
I actually, I believe that's audio from the made up harassment, vicious Arrest Mint's story that happened in Gillette.
But we'll die aggress.
We're gonna go there.
But in any case, it really should not and should never take away from what this kid can do on the field.
He really is a dynamic talent.
And to ignore that, or to not acknowledge that in any way is a disservice to the homes.
And it's really a disservice to anybody that's in our business that just will not give credit where credit is due.
We see it all the time.
When it comes to Tom Brady, no matter what the guy does, no one will give.
You know, there are some out there, and I'm not saying no one.
I really shouldn't, because there are some that do give credit, even begrudging credit when they have to.
There are some little dig their heels in things that will happen.
But you know, Holmes is where he is for a reason and just in his second full year is a starter to see what he's capable of doing and growth.
I completely agree with you.
I think a lot of the throws that he made this weekend where timely, they were clutch throws, they were fundamentally sound throws.
And that's what you look for in the growth of a quarterback.
It's all well and good to be able to do the razzle dazzle and really, you know, shock people and wow people with what you do.
I think a lot about going back to the early eighties when you take a look at the N B A and you look at a guy like Magic Johnson who was doing things that people hadn't seen before.
No look passes flash all the glitz and the glamour that came with Hollywood and he was developing a following and really one of the better players in the league.
By his own admission, Magic often said, I didn't really become a basketball player until about four or five years in the league when I started to learn what I needed to do.
Fundamentally, it wasn't all about the no look, pass and getting the highlight and making the crowd go crazy.
He fed off that that's what inspired him to be better.
But you didn't get to that point.
And he didn't get to the level that he felt he was capable of getting, too, until he settled into himself.
I think you're gonna see a lot of that type of drive and a lot of that type of motivation with Patrick Mahomes very glitzy, very flashy, very crowd pleasing.
But ultimately it's the fundamentals that are gonna make him one of the better quarterbacks in the league.
If he can develop that, then we're looking at the start of a very, very bright young career, and one that I think will go down in history is maybe one of the better of all time if he continues to trend in this direction.
Yeah, and here's the thing to knit, because eventually, eventually, he's not gonna have this cast of characters surrounding him all the time.
I mean, like, way we can sit here and say, Oh, well, you know Ah, really good quarterbacks gonna make any player let you know that the facts of the matter is that he has a Opens running backs, tight ends, wide receivers that all Ah, play very well in this this era of the NFL, especially right now.
So he's not always going to have that.
He's going, you know, eventually he's gonna be off the ah, you know, the rookie contract, and eventually you know there's gonna be more money for him unless for others to go around.
So, you know, again, I That's why I want to see him.
You know it do those things because that tells me, no matter who comes into that offense, he's going to be able to see maybe not to the level of 50 touchdowns and whatever and 5000 yards.
But it tells me he has the ability to evolve because you don't want to sit there.
And real, I have to rely on your talent and all that, because again, they're not gonna be here his entire career.
He's gonna have to deal with some years where, you know the receiver corps is maybe a little lean.
Maybe they're dealing with a barrage of injuries.
Maybe there's no Kelsey are all that you want to see him evolved and all that.
So, um what what we don't know is ah, what could be the next? Um, uh, I don't want to say flavor of the month, but it seems like every year the hype train builds and builds and builds and there's a new young quarterback that's ah gonna take over the league.
And it just may happen to be Joe Borough, who last night him and L s U and fattest molest.
Yes, that's right.
I do know some players, and Daddy is Moss is a guy that I like because I love Randy Moss, and that's all it all I need toe love.
Not to mention he's a he's a blocking tight end, and that just happens to be a ah position of somewhat relative need for the Patriots.
And you never know saying just, you know, and I know I know the irrational hype train is already starting, so Ah, I'm going.
I might just jump on that.
I'm not too sure yet.
I may have already ordered my jersey, but we'll say, uh, but yes.
Oh, Joe Borough capped off a remarkable college season and I know like a college football is just very a stat driven.
I mean, you know, the body numbers that some of these players put up year in and year out is unbelievable.
But ah, Joe Borough topped them all.
You know, 60 touchdown, stolen gold.
This is what's Ah.
Seven in the semifinals, obviously.
So, um, this is it, you know? Look, the guy's gonna go number one overall to ah, to Cincinnati.
I would imagine, um, you know, freeing up Andy Dalton for the patriot? No.
Okay, look, I'm not I'm not even gonna go there.
That's a stupid It's stupid, stupid, stupid.
But Cincinnati will have a new quarterback in Joe Burrow.
Perhaps just perhaps, maybe he will be the next Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes.
Or, uh, went so our name, whatever.
Young quarterback that's come into the league last for years that have had very strong seasons and then, you know, get over hyped and all that.
So we'll see how that goes.
But, ah, that was a fun game to watch last night.
I mean, I'm not as you know, I tell everyone misrepresent my knowledge But, uh, you know, I don't follow college football as closely as you know.
Obviously, the NFL are some of the major of their sports, but I do enjoy watching some of these, You know, most of the key games and obviously, you know, I try to catch a game here and there throughout the week or every weekend when it's on.
But ah, you know, l issues a fun team to watch.
I mean, I liked watching Joe throw the ball he has.
He seems to have a knack for the big moment.
And this is a guy who, you know, according you know, to to a lot of people who cover the draft was really, really on the radar.
Now he's got a Heisman in national championship and he is a essential lock to be the first overall pick.
So I just hope that Thea Bengals organization just doesn't, uh, ruin him.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that's the hope of everybody.
Look, I mean, you look a job burrow in the game that he had last night.
I mean, just just on its own.
You take a look at the performance he had in that game five touchdown passes, 463 yards passing.
That's the most for a B, CS or college football playoff title. Game.
Six Total touchdowns.
Russia one, too.
This kid seems tohave it.
He seems to have the attitude he seems to have.
The demeanor, the poise and everything you need to succeed.
We've seen this in a lot of quarterbacks, and sometimes it can be, you know, the flip side, where sometimes it can be right on the money.
So we really you're not gonna know what Joe Borough truly is until he starts taking snaps in the National Football League.
College football is all well and good, and you excel at a level, and he looks like he is far and above what the competition is, and that bodes well for him in the in the NFL.
But the NFL can be a very unforgiving place for an NFL quarterback for a young quarterback that's coming in, especially sometimes with the highly touted background that Joe Burrow is coming in with.
So ultimately, it's going to be up to the Cincinnati Bengals to be able to surround him with the right talent, put him in the right situation and be able to move and grow and groom him toward a success pot form in terms of the L S U connection.
The tiger's going to the Bangles.
I mean, you know, there's already a lot of there's already a lot of marketability for him in Cincinnati.
It's been a long time since they had a signal caller.
You know, that has been this highly praised all respect did Andy Dalton.
I think you did a fine job in Cincinnati for the time that he was there, but it's about to usher in a new era.
And with Joe Borough coming in, you have to be Ah, if you're a Bengals fan, you're definitely excited for that.
And much more so by what you saw in the field last night.
But great win for L s U first national title since 2007.
Uh, all season long, they kind of fought some of the naysayers who believed that they were either going to fizzle or they weren't quite up to the level of in Alabama or in Oklahoma.
Or, you know, some of these other teams that they faced and they were able to run through the gauntlet very good job.
You know, they're very well coached.
And just ultimately, I mean, they were the best team in college football this year, and it showed It showed right off the bat.
They came in last night and had a very, very good game.
So congratulations to L S U, and now it's It's on to the NFL for Joe Burrow and those that have declared so it will be will be interesting to see what happens now.
Really, we turn our attention completely toward the NFL draft.
If you're a college football fan and seeing where these guys are going to be placed on the chess board, that is the NFL well, And and here's the thing with the, uh, with the evolution of the NFL game, where it's it's far more similar to the college game than it was 10 15 years ago.
So that's why we see a lot of times these young quarterbacks come in and can be effective right away and and have an impact because that the similarities between the two offenses you know they're similar.
I mean, there's not as much difference where it's like before.
You have to come in and you have to learn the pro game.
You have to learn the certain ways they do things.
And and now it's so similar that it affords opportunities for young players almost right away.
If you're in the right situation, however, however, it can off also offer a limit of fool's gold for franchises.
Because given that advantage that you're coming into being comfortable playing a certain system that's very similar to what you did in college and you succeed early and you think, Oh, great, this is awesome.
You know, I'm really, you know, ah, ahead of the curve here.
Well, the problem is, and college teams don't have enough time to catch up, because oftentimes, obviously team players are only there three or four years at the most.
And, you know, it's just that the cycle through a player's just doesn't afford you the opportunity to do that Well, in the NFL, once you get film on it and teams start studying you and breaking you down knowing that Hey, guess what.
If you're gonna be in the league for the next 10 or 15 years, we're gonna know everything about you.
That's when you come back.
The Earth so there's a bit of a reverse ah development system going on here.
Or at least that's the impression that I get so like you're gonna have a lot of young quarterbacks that come into the NFL and have a lot of success.
Success will vary but a success nonetheless.
I mean, just think about a lot of the quarterbacks, obviously, Patrick Mahomes, the Carson Wentz.
Jared Goff is a good example because we look at him now and say, Well, is he really that quarterback? They came in in the first couple of years our second year to really so I mean, a lot of these young quarterbacks are having opportunities that otherwise, you know, maybe you wouldn't have me think back to Aaron Rodgers, sit in three years behind Brett Farve.
I mean, that's that's almost unheard off.
And, uh, you know, you kind of got that with Jimmy Garoppolo.
But even then you figured he probably could have started that last year he was on the bench with the Patriots and then eventually shipped him off.
So, um, if he's in the right system and he's in right offensive, Ah, set up for him, he could do well early.
It's just about him developing while he's doing well and some players get a little complacent and think, Oh, this is This is a little too easy and then it catches up to him.
So, uh, I think for the NFL, it's great because it get again.
You know, a majority of people love open, exciting offense does.
And you know, the more it shifts to a college like game we're going to see, I mean that that's why I think when you when you sit back and you talk about 5000 yard passing seasons, it's to me.
It's different now than it was even 5 10 years ago.
Um, obviously, I mean, Dan Marino had the only 5000 yard passing season for, what, 17 years? 18 years? So all of a sudden it's like, Okay, well, well, Peyton Manning has won.
Ah, Breeze has a few.
And then so it seems like it's just the floodgates are gonna open because how many players? I mean, Jamis Winston threw for 5000 yards this year.
So, um, it's gonna be interesting to see the evolution of of of quarterback statistics, because again ah, 35 touchdowns now versus 35 touchdowns in 2003 is a lot different, and you know it's hard to explain, but but that's the fact.
And I think it's gonna be interesting to see how these young guys continue to develop and how the NFL adjust to him.
Because again, I mean the NFL way.
We put the poke fun a lot at some of the coaches, but these are some really smart guys that know how to figure out certain players.
And, uh, you know, it'll be interesting to see how Joe does and how some of these other younger guys developed, like, is Lamar Jackson going to take a step forward? And that doesn't mean throwing more touchdowns.
That means just developing as a quarterback.
Or is he going to take a step back? Because maybe the NFL of these teams have a little bit more film on him and can figure out what they're doing.
It will be interesting, though.
I I love that stuff.
I love the what ifs.
Yeah, the what? Well, what ifs, Really? I mean, for anybody that's in our business, my friend.
We live on the what ifs A lot of times not to say that that's where we get some aerial and their career on it.
Well, some ****ysts have built a career on delusional whatever, but we're not gonna get into that right now.
We're gonna focus on the here and now, but yeah, it's great stuff, but that that might have to be.
That might be have to be a staple from here on out.
I wasn't intending it to be exactly this.
This 1 may have Thio.
What ifs of those types is what type of player is this guy going? How? What type of an impact is he gonna have with this team? What type of an impact is he going to have on the league? I mean, you look at quarterbacks.
We talked about my home's early.
You're talking about, You know, we talk about Lamar Jackson quite often on this show.
We look at the young wave of quarterbacks coming in 10 years ago when guys like Brady and and Manning and you know, they were the gold standard.
I mean, the type of quarterback that you're seeing right now was definitely not considered the NFL game.
It was a pocket passing league, and that's exactly how it was going to stay.
It always, I think, will default back to that.
But I think you're seeing so much more mobility in quarterbacks and athleticism.
Now that it's amazing to see and ah, watching Borough last night, you couldn't help but imagine him in the Bengals uniform doing what he does competing against some of these guys and seeing how the hell we can get to that level.
So awesome stuff again.
L s u Ah, Ed Orgeron did a tremendous job, you know, with that team this year.
And you know, it's, ah, another season in the books for college football.
So now we turn our attention to the draft.
Oh, yeah, Oh, yeah.
And, uh, we will actually right now, turn our attention to a different sport.
And, ah, yesterday, Major League baseball ah hammered the Houston Astros.
Um, they suspended both a.
Hinch and General Manager Liu now for the entire year.
But it didn't take long after that for the Astros to cut ties with both of them, firing them for their, um involvement in this ah scheme that which to be clear.
They were not, ah said to have been directly involved.
But having ah, this happened under their watch.
Ah, they were hammered with hammered with a lot of the blame.
And, you know, the thing is, the big looming thing is, is like, this was player driven except except for one bench coach.
And he just so happens to be a guy named Alex Chorus.
So Ah, obviously, obviously, we actually talked about this briefly last week, Um was going back through the archives and checking it out.
We talked about this last week and I said last week that Red Sox with a new general manager should just cut ties.
Now, you know, nothing good was gonna come out of this, and this was a week ago.
You know, nothing good was gonna come out of this whole situation, given what we already knew.
Um, and you're coming off a subpar season.
There's at this point you just cut ties with him.
And I still kind of feel that way because again, if you're using the punishments that hitch as a, it's a base for what Alex Core is going to get punished and he trust me.
he will get punish.
They have started their investigation into the Red Sox, and I can't imagine it's gonna come back positively.
Um, if that's the base mark, then you're talking.
At the very least, he's gone for a year, and I would imagine, given, you know, just his involvement here and is presumed involvement.
Ah, with the Red Sox situation, um, goes well, well beyond what a.
Hinch was reportedly accused of, which was basically just turning a blind eye and not really knowing too much of what was going on.
Whereas Alex Cora was kind of the driving force behind this whole system.
Now, you know, we're not getting into the debate about how many teams do it, how prevalent it is all that.
I mean, we could sit here and, you know, I'm sure there's a There's a lot of dirty laundry for a lot of teams out there.
The fact of the matter is, they got caught.
He's gotten caught doing this with two different teams that just happened to lead to a World Series championship.
So you can you can debate Ah, the effect.
You know, the impact it had on their ability to win a world Siris all you want.
Um, that's never gonna change our World Series champions.
However, I do agree that Alex score is probably gonna get hammered pretty hard on this.
He's going to deserve it, and I still stand behind the fact.
I mean, it's not safe.
It's not for them to save face because, I mean, that would be it would be a pure ah, say face move in a selfish way for the Red Sox.
I'm saying, if you're smart, just just cut ties with them and move on.
I mean, you're there's no point to to let this drag out and try to repair this, especially knowing when you're not gonna have him for at least a year.
And I imagine it might be longer.
Yeah, and I agree with you.
I mean, look, there's I know there's a lot of Red Sox fans out there right now.
They're saying, Oh, well, what they did in Boston was not to the level of what they did with the Astros.
And if you break it down, yeah, there's a level that the Astros crossed.
The Red Sox didn't and really, I mean, what it comes down to is based on what's been reported.
The allegations about the Red Sox.
They are on it like I said a different level than what the Astros did.
The Sox supposedly and I love lets, you know, definitely use this word.
Supposedly, allegedly whatever you want to say, UM, hasn't been definitively proven yet, but there's more than enough evidence to show that this is exactly what went on.
They use the video to decode the opponent, sign sequences and passed the information along to their players.
That's according to the report that was, that was filed or not, that was filed.
That's according to the story that was filed, I should say, by Ken Rosenthal, and by heaven relic.
They didn't go to that additional step of using the means of communicating that knowledge.
It wasn't like they bang the trash cans or anything like that.
That's the level that the Astros went to.
What the Red Sox here are going to have to explain, essentially and where this could come down on Cora and it could come down hard, is that these allegations against the Red Sox they refer to activity during the team's championship 2018 season This was after the MLB issued clarifying rules expressly banning the use of replay rooms for this purpose.
That's according to Ah, uh, you know the Rosenthal a story as well.
So when you look at this and you look at what that does, it's that extra level in a very the nine way.
It's very similar to what happened in Spy Gate, and I hate to use that, but it's doing it again after you've been explicitly warned not to.
Now, in terms of what that was doing and how much of an advantage it was providing, I can probably say it's probably benign in both sides.
I really don't necessarily believe that it had the impact that so many people were saying it did.
But the fact of the matter is, it was a rules violation.
Why Cora is in such crosshairs right now, folks, and hit the nail right on the head.
When he said it, he was involved in the Astros scandal.
He's involved in the Red Sox scandal.
He is the common denominator here, and it really makes it look like he learned Dino put into practice what happened in Houston.
Took it to Boston and enjoyed success may be *****ed success in both locations On that basis, I do agree.
I think it's time to cut ties if you're the Boston Red Sox, and I think you have to go in a different direction because this is a black mark on the organization on.
It's not a situation where you can't afford to lose him or you can't afford to say that he can't ever be replaced their managers out there that will be able to do the job.
I think probably now is the best time to do it.
If a member of the Red Sox organization, that's the direction I'm looking to go in here, yeah, and look, I mean, there's even Ben.
I think, uh, I think it was Logan Morrison.
I can't remember.
But he even said, like, Look, this happens in every single, uh, clubhouse to some extent, some variation of this and and look, do I believe him? Absolutely.
Like, yeah, to me, this isn't one.
And I'm not making an excuse for that.
And, you know, for those obviously who who follow our Patriots coverage, or at least my opinions on the Patriots, what do you You're hypocrite, You know, because I and I, there are similarities to the two situations, mostly in the sense that it we forbid it.
Um, I think it was more of an emphasis by the major baseball.
And I think there is more direct knowledge you can learn from.
Ah, you know, knowing exactly what pitch is coming.
At the same time, you still have to hit the ball.
You still have to time.
I mean, you could tell me.
Ah, you're throwing a fastball every single time and I'll strike out nine times out of 10. It's just you.
It doesn't matter if I know what the hell the pictures coming, You know? You know what I mean With that said, um, Major league baseball went through great lengths to really forbid this, as opposed to even in the NFL, you know, kind of haphazardly, you know, issuing a memo and just kind of, you know, as we've learned over the years, they don't really have that strong of a structure when it comes to figure it out rules on how to discipline people.
So I can't imagine that this was all tight knit and and figure it out properly when it comes to, uh, you know, tryingto dissuade teams from taping from a certain location.
Let's let's be clear about the bat to This was they were fined for taping from a wrong location.
It wasn't the act of taping signals that got them in hot water.
It was where they did that from.
And then you can obviously create whatever theory you want from that, whereas, you know, in baseball, like obviously they're the unwritten rule.
You know, everyone's trying to steal signals, that's what That's why people sit there, you know, at second base with a lead sitting there, sending in signals to the batter is just part of the game.
But when you use technology to steal those signals, that is forbidden.
Um, then, yeah, that's that's when you cross the line, and I do think that it's their similarities.
But I think that the essence and that the bulk of those two situations meeting the Patriots and the situation of the Astros and Red Sox are very different.
And I think the intent and obviously, um, you know, over the years, even I like I you know, like I said, it just the whole idea of stealing signals of football.
It's just silly to make, um, so you know what I mean? So it to me, it doesn't It doesn't hit me at that level off impact as it doesn't baseball.
However, at the end of day, I do feel like, you know, pretty much every team's doing something to this extent.
Thio to steal signals.
And look, the Red Sox are already in trouble for doing something with an apple watch.
So I mean this idea that all these teams air.
It's just these two teams that it No, it's it's it's It's not so word of advice to people out there, um, glass houses.
That's all I'm gonna say.
You know, it's like what happened with you know, when all this stuff came out about Houston and I can't remember free set it on the air or privately.
It's like, Oh, great.
Um, you know, we all see the connection, so I'm just gonna sit back and let this play out because I'm not going to sit here and call the Houston Astros cheers and then have tea.
You know, turn around and say face because two weeks later, it's like, Oh, well, obviously the connection between these two teams, aside from winning world Siris, was Alex Cora.
So you know, you could draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
But yeah, that's that's, Ah, it is.
It's just, you know, a drama situation that you know pales in comparison to anything the Patriots do.
Just because it's patriots, however, the thing act itself is probably more quote unquote egregious than anything the Patriots have ever been proven to do.
Which is that one thing.
So, yeah, here we are.
And now it's true, and I mean in both cases, and I'm glad that you've made the clarification.
In both cases, it was widespread, and I do.
I don't think anybody looks at this and said, Oh, this is something that's so unique.
Alex Cora was the mastermind of this, you know, devious system that no other team would even dare of thinking I'm doing.
But he did it with the Astros, and then he came and he corrupted the Red Sox.
Now this, this practice is widespread.
There's no question about it.
Just like the practice of video recording in the NFL was widespread.
You have coaches like Bill Kaur, who is ready to be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame, come out and say, Yeah, we were doing the same thing.
You know, they happen to get nabbed for it.
This is what was This is exactly what happens in professional sports.
You look for a competitive edge, no matter how you can get it in this situation, though, because it was done after the warning, there has to be a pretty hefty, you know, um, punishment.
And again, I brought up with it. I brought up Spike.
You know, the Patriots did.
I think a lot of people forget that the Patriots did a a steep price.
That's like, you know, for what they did.
I mean, it wasn't like, Oh, you know, Roger Goodell just looked at him and said, Now, Bill, don't you do that again.
You know, it was no, I mean, they lost draft picks.
I mean, they were They were fined very heavily.
I mean, there were There were repercussions for that.
And there have to be repercussions here.
What I believe to be Maur of the culprit here is probably the common denominator in Alex Cora and I think he's right now in the crosshairs of major league baseball and you know, you know it's coming, it's imminent.
And that's why I think if I'm the Red Sox, it might be wise to cut the ties.
Now move on, be able to put this behind them and say, OK, well, look, this happened, It was what it was, and this is it.
We have no place in our organization for this anymore on, and we're moving on and we're moving in a different direction.
I think they need to do that to restore a lot of the pride that's in one of the premier and Marquis the franchises in all of major league baseball.
Well, in the timing couldn't have worked out any better because they did just move on from Dave Dombrowski and brought in a new GM.
And that was kind of my reasoning last week when we talked about it like, you know, if you're gonna take the opportunity opportunity to do it, you might as well do it.
Now, um, you know, e, I think you are.
You can already assume enough about what we already know with what the Houston Astros were punished with that again.
I think the suspension talk begins at a year, and I don't think it's anything less than that.
Or and I actually, I expected to be even more than that.
Um, as faras I mean it, you know, I've I've heard people throughout Lifetime Ban and all that stuff, and I don't know if I'd go that far because again, I think there's there's ah yeah, like I I think it's okay.
And it's right to be angry and outraged by what you're hearing because again, even though, you know, I think I think most baseball fans realized that things go on like this, you don't want to know about it.
You know, you just kind of hoped that this baseball this game of baseball is pure all that stuff.
So it's okay to be upset about this. I understand.
Like, you know, some people were going a little over the top, but, you know, we get you know, comparing this to like the 1919 black socks is a little over the top.
Um, just because yeah, that's what I mean.
The the Black Sox would be fixed.
I mean, that's That's if you want to talk about integrity of the game.
I mean, that's, you know, a number one right there.
Uh, one of the biggest issues, so I don't You know, again, people are going a little over the top.
Can I blame him? Not really.
I mean, I get it. You're upset.
I mean, if you're a Dodgers fan, I would I would be upset.
I mean, it's hard to just so you know, you know? All right, well, who happened to lose too, But But at the same time, I I warn you, glass houses, because it doesn't take more than any more than one player to come out and say, Oh, by the way, the Dodgers did this.
And you're like, Oh, crap in office, in your Homer Simpson backing up into the rose portion never to be seen again.
And then you know what the cycle continues.
So, um, it's okay to be upset.
I do caution you, however, about throwing out some very strong opinions because, um, as Goldberg once said your next so And guess what? You could be next.
We'll just see, But ah, well, yeah, We'll see how it plays out.
My opinion should probably just cut bait with core and and you know you know what they do Pretty well, first year managers say.
For Bobby Valentine, like every every first year manager in the 21st century has won a World Series would debate every page.
It's with the Red Sox, so maybe this will be a blessing in disguise.
Just just don't go higher.
Unless unless he's bringing a bunch of wraps with him.
He invented those you know? Yes, absolutely.
Invented the rap. Absolutely.
And I'll be riding his bicycle every single day. It'll be.
It'll be right there and everybody will be all set to go.
So yeah, God had to mention Bobby Valentine.
I almost like, Yeah, it was like here Tuesday morning.
Yeah, exactly. It is.
You want to put it behind.
You forget all about it, and you can't.
You kind of do. And then it just pops up like Kelly.
Have a trait that one year where Bobby Valentine and it's like Wait a minute.
What happened really, really was like like the Dave Lewis season with the Bruin, too.
It's like that that one year post lockout with Dave Lewis and like a Lexie's Zhamnov and Brian Leetch was like Bruins fans.
Just forget about that.
That that did not He went directly to Claude Julien.
Ah, Natalie. Good stuff.
Always good stuff.
Yes, but I do want to ah, chip back over here to the NFL real quick because we got about 15 minutes left and again, You know, the NFL is king, so we're always going to, um, we're always going to Ah, really focus on that.
So I want I want to feel a question out there to you one of these, you know? Ah, filler questions here.
And, um who who out of, you know, is speaking specifically about quarterbacks? I wasn't doing an owl impression there.
Um, who would have the biggest impact? What? Which quarterback would have the biggest impact on their quote unquote legacy if they win a Super Bowl? And I think the obvious answer is probably Aaron Rodgers and I I don't know, convince me otherwise, I am I wrong in that, uh, I don't believe you're wrong on that.
I do believe that is the case, and I think it will be the I think I think he has the most a proven see in terms of who he is.
First of all, he's probably I believe he is the longest in the tooth of the remaining quarterbacks in the, uh, in the post season right now.
I think at this point you have to think that his window is closing more rapidly than that of a Jimmy Garoppolo are definitely have a Patrick owns, maybe even a Ryan Tannehill.
Who knows? Maybe maybe there was a great Maybe there was a ah all Pro lurking there in Miami all along, and nobody just realized that maybe Tyler Kating was right.
But in any case, what it comes down to to me is I think, that Rogers winning another Super Bowl, having two and under his belt and being able to prove that he can adapt his game and still lead his team to a win would do wonders for what? Ah, you know his ranking right now, which most you know, ****ysts and whatnot will still have in top 10 in all time for ah, quarterbacks eyes in that vat echelon in that low.
But ultimately, if he does, then you really start to have to give it serious consideration because I don't care what anybody says wins whether you spell it with an answer, whether you spell it with Z or whether you just want to ignore it wins count toward a quarterback's legacy.
I'm sorry to say it.
I know people get angry and they start twitching and they go.
But it's not a quarterback stud.
It's all about his his passer rating.
And it's all about his yards per attempt.
And no, it isn't.
I mean, those are good stats tohave.
It measures the type of skill and the level of skill that you played the position at.
But ultimately you play to win the game.
You and and and the ones that win are the ones that are remembered.
And they remembered more fondly.
They're spoken about in such high regard.
You know, Dan Marino was one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever watched play growing up watching him for the Miami Dolphins.
He did things that were legendary on the field.
But nobody looks at Marino and says he's the greatest that ever played the game.
Skill wise, I'd be hard pressed to tell you they find a more skilled quarterback than Dan Marino.
But when you look at the legacy of what players air constantly thrown in that goat art for Rogers, I think it's something that he needs to cement his legacy.
And that, I believe, is why you probably has the most gain.
You have to think that they're going to continue to be their year after year.
I don't know if you can necessarily say that about Aaron.
He may have another one or two good years left in him to make runs if he doesn't do it this year, but that window is rapidly closing.
Where's the other guys? They're just getting going.
Yeah, and look, I mean, some people are going to go over the top.
I'm thinking about Chris Simms in particular.
If Aaron Rodgers wins, they'll say, Oh, he's obviously the goat.
No, no, that's I don't I don't care.
I don't care if they win 59 nothing in the Super Bowl as that, you know it's not gonna elevate him to the very top.
I mean, no matter how you try toe, spin it or or say it's just not gonna happen because, I mean, we know what the benchmark is it like.
That's where it starts.
So let's let's relax a little bit.
However, I agree with you because right now I would I would probably have him outside.
I know I not probably I do have him outside my top 10 in terms of all time quarterbacks, and I and I generally agreed a lot with what? Ah ah, the list that they came out with the top 100.
Obviously, you know, you can pick and choose a couple guys on that list, but one of them was not Aaron Rodgers, and that's on an indictment on him.
It's just, you know, he's, he's, it's a great career.
It's just, you know, the problem is, and it's similar to what we see from other players, and we've seen over time.
It's like you're trying to elevate him beyond a level that he's at, or and at this point, in my opinion, is unattainable.
Given his where he is in his career now, that doesn't say that he can't help his legacy because I do think making that jump from one Super Bowl for 22 not only among his peers in what could be a Hall of Fame career or would be bye bye.
This Hall of Fame standards would be a Hall of Fame career.
It would put him in a grouping that, you know, takes him away from the one Super Bowl winners.
And, you know, it gives him a stronger argument on the flip and at the same time, within his own organization, it creates a separation that has not been there before.
Because you have Brett Farve and you have, uh, Aaron Rodgers, and you can make an argument for both as to who was the better Packers quarterback in the better quarterback altogether.
I mean, obviously, the ability of protective ball and some of the amazing things that Aaron Rodgers does is hard to match.
However, people forget how ridiculously crazy, athletic Brett Farve was and some of the things that he does.
He has three straight MBPs to Super Bowl appearances, only the one victory.
Now, if Aaron Rodgers goes and gets a second Super Bowl victory, I think that would indeed help elevate him, especially among Packers fans within the great.
You know, among the echelon of quarterbacks in the Packard Organization, and I do think it goes a long way in helping his overall legacy.
Um, you know, to win that 2nd 1 just don't again.
Don't get ahead of yourself and sit there and try to make an argument that he's one of the top three quarterbacks of all time because he wins a second.
Paul, it's it's, you know, you know, you have to surpass those other guys.
You just don't automatically get into that club when you win a second Super Bowl.
However, it is a nice club to be in, and I think that would really do a lot more for his career than I think.
Anything at this point, any sort of passing title or M V p or anything like that is winning a second Super Bowl? No, well, with old, without any question.
And I completely agree with you when it comes to that and again, like I said, it's really all.
It's really all about what? You know what home, what you could bring to table independent of the resume that you already have on the table.
I think that Roger's right now needs that in order to cement his legacy as being not only one of the greatest of his generation, but one of the greatest that's ever played the game.
And I think he still has the ability to do that.
But is again as window is closing, and I think this is a big off season.
I think there's a big postseason for in, um, facing stiff competition and it's let's go without any question about it.
That is not gonna be an easy game.
We saw what happened the first time these two teams played.
That's going to stick in the craw, the Green Bay Packers.
They'll come in with extra motivation because of that.
But it's still gonna be a very tough game in a very tough environment for them to succeed.
And especially knowing how pumped Niners fans are hosting a F C Championship NFC championship game for the first time in a long while.
Yeah, and and and look, I don't give them the edge it like, I'm gonna you know, I'm giving this away, but I have already given away like 10 times in the last two weeks.
But I am going to pick the 40 Niners to win this game.
Um, you know I'll give my score on Friday, but s o to me.
I think it's gonna be a hard killed to climb for this Packers team so easy.
So if they get to the Super Bowl Ah, that will be impressive.
But again, winning it.
And ah, you know, obviously you would like for him to have, Ah, solid game.
You know, you don't want Ah, Peyton Manning 2015 type of game because that, you know, didn't you know it doesn't really do too much, you know, it's it's still Super Bowl win, and there's still a lot of things that he had to do to help that team.
But, um, you know, if if Rogers goes out, has a very efficient, solid game, wins another Super Bowl again, that's gonna help his legacy quite a bit.
And, um, you know, I a.
Again, I'll reiterate, Does it elevate him to the top? Absolutely not.
Doesn't make him come close.
Sure, I mean, in theory, yes, it would make him closer to to the top in that sense, but I think that that window for him as closed and it's not this isn't meant as a disrespect or anything like that.
It's just the bar is just so high.
I mean, let's put it this way.
Patrick More Homes is already behind the pace.
You know he's already behind the eight ball right now, especially if he doesn't make it to a Super Bowl this year.
He's behind the eight ball when it comes to what Tom Brady was doing early on in his career, in terms of team and and success and all that.
So that's that's what I'm saying it in terms of how high that standard is set and for Aaron Rodgers, I just don't think there's there's enough time for him to make up that much ground and and change.
You know, people's minds in terms of who's the great Esther, who should be in that discussion.
You know the two or three quarterbacks that really, when you have those discussions you really can on Lee.
In my opinion, there's only two or three quarterbacks because once you start adding like 56 names into the mix and then I think you you know, you start muddying the waters a little bit and you're like Okay, well, this'll debate has kind of gone off the rails.
I mean, there's only a couple of guys that really deserve to be in that mix and, uh, you know, again, not disrespect or anything, but he's not one of them.
And, ah, Super Bowl victory.
Would Dude do a lot for his legacy? It just wouldn't do that much.
So yeah, and I agree.
I don't think it's harsh.
I do agree with what you're saying.
I don't think it would put him up in the echelon.
Top five, top three, but pre payments of the top 10 which right now I have a difficult time reconcile in putting him in there based on some of the success that a lot of other quarterbacks have had with two under his belt.
I think he makes that leap.
Oh, yeah, but you know, ultimately I mean putting him in the top echelon.
I I agree with you.
I still think that belongs to Brady.
I still think that belongs to Manning Montana.
Those are the guys that really have a stranglehold on that top spot, and I don't think even with them another Super Bowl that Aaron would be able to eclipse it.
If he's able to rattle off two or three more before he ends up here, it's well, then maybe we have an argument.
But, you know, you know, leave it to you to find out whether or not that's even feasible.
But at this point, yeah, I believe that this this would this would do a lot for his legacy.
But again, I don't believe it would put in at the top of the very top of the list of quarterbacks that I've ever played this game.
Let's just let's just put it this way and this.
And this is why I think it's such a silly debate toe have at this point, and people are just really kind of off the rails when it comes to this.
Imagine if he does win two or three more Super Bowls.
He would still have to fewer Super Bowl wins.
And assuming that he doesn't go to Super Bowls and lose them, Ah, he would have five future or Super Bowl appearances.
And that's if he goes on this incredible run late in his career wins three Super Bowl next four years.
Let's say which would bring him to 41.
So you know again.
And so when you think about that, it that way, you put in that context.
That's why I'm saying it's at this point that, you know, greatest of all time.
Ah, title is really just not attainable for him.
And it's not an insult.
It really isn't it.
It's not gonna be attainable for a lot of people.
Um, I mean, it just it just isn't I mean, there's a reason why, outside of Tom Brady, there's only two other quarterbacks that have ever won four Super Bowls.
One came in the seventies, the other came in the late eighties and nineties.
So we're talking about nearly 40 years worth of Super Bowls being played, 54 Super Bowls being played, and only three quarterbacks have been ableto win a TTE least four Super Bowls and only one as six.
So this idea that anyone could just hop in and do what Brady does O. R.
Uh, you know, five point advantage and passer rating isn't over.
No, it's none of none of that.
Is it just It pales in comparison, and it's gonna be tough, because, I mean, like I said at this point in his third year in the league.
Uh, second year starting patch from Holmes is behind the eight ball because he doesn't have a Super Bowl win yet.
So, um so yeah, so with that, I'm sure we're gonna jump into some more quarterback debates throughout the week, cause you know Hey, look, it's football.
It's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of fun stuff we're gonna talk about this weekend.
We only have three games left because I don't count the Pro Bowl.
Um, the Ravens will, though.
They got pretty much the whole team.
They're going next.
You are two weekends from now.
And is it in Orlando? I don't even know.
It's like an hour for me.
And I don't even know if it's there or not. It. Zilly.
You want to go to Orlando's like you want to get that? Let malls.
Are you? No way markets and all that.
Yeah, that sounds like the go to destination for people want to goto watch awful football.
Uh um And but with that said, folks, we're winding down here.
Un full press radio Tuesday edition.
Of course, we will be back tomorrow morning.
If there's any more news involving baseball, the Astros, the Red Sox, anything, we will certainly break it down.
We're going to start really getting into the nitty gritty with these teams over the next couple of days and really breaking it down and putting our name to our prediction.
So come Friday, we will be.
Oh, by the way, by the way, I I do want to update the standing, so I am.
Right now, I am four and four of my picks.
Two weekends So far.
You are after going over for Did you go to for two this week? Uh, no.
I went three for four this week.
I lost the Ravens game, but I did.
I did go three for four, so I did save my job, folks.
Okay, back here, I did not go over four again in the in the weekend.
I did a Yeah, it's something more solid weekend this weekend, And I had so I I better be right this week, uh, this weekend because I do want folks, Thank you very much.
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