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Huge games from LeBron James.
Huge game from Dwight Howard.
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Jess King and Cruise the Masterpiece Masters Guy's incredible performance.
And Jess, I haven't looked at the chat yet, but I have a feeling you're already catching some flak for ah, going to a Clippers game in.
Hey, I don't care, man.
I had the sisters of my younger 21 year old positive year that want to come for a visit.
They said they wanted to watch a basketball game, I said, Well, the Lakers aren't playing that weekend, so we settle on the Clippers and I'll be honest with you.
In a weird way, I was cheering for the words the entire time, so I was hoping they'd be able to pull it off.
I had a good time.
And also the the 45 alcoholic beverages help.
So, yeah, I'm sorry for having people.
That's about the only way you could.
You could enjoy a clippers game, right? Oh, there it is right away.
Let's trade jazz.
So I I thought you were gonna get much of a trade, though.
Are you saying you go and treat me, But you're gonna get a value in return, so it's okay.
Well, what can we get in a trade for jazz while we get wood? Would you get a bigger return for jazz or for, uh, for shall we say, like Quinn cook or somebody like that? Well, I think the only thing you'll get from me and maybe like a bottle of vodka or something like that, it'll be the low end one.
That's like, you know, you get the handle for, like, $10 or something That's about the value of getting me.
I might be able to get you some cap space, which is a lot more than I'd be able to get us. We're okay.
All right, Fair enough. Fair enough.
Uh, hey, look great, Wayne.
Tonight for the Lakers, Anthony Davis didn't even have to play.
I have a feeling and the Lakers didn't say this, but I'm feeling that if this was ah playoff game, he's probably out there.
He's still dealing with that bruise from that nasty fall.
We saw him shooting jumpers before The game is probably just a situation where the Lakers figured.
You know what? He's still recovering.
Why not just arrest him? It's the Cleveland Cavaliers.
We should win this game.
And, uh so I like that they were able to get him some rest.
Rondo is dealing with an avulsion fracture fracture, but sounds like he should be back sooner rather than later.
But, Chris, what stood out to you tonight in this game? I mean, obviously, the Lakers were the better team, but beyond that did anybody really do anything that made you made you say wow that this is Ah, this is a really big performance.
Ah, well, it was a slow start in the first quarter.
I mean, we were down 10 going into the second.
And then, you know, I saw Avery Bradley makes a good cuts to the basket and he was moving good without the basketball, So it kind of started there and then, you know, who's had a rough start in the first quarter? I felt like he might have been forcing things a little bit, but once again, you know, when given enough time, he started turning it around at least a little bit in the second and making some plays.
And then by the time we got to have time, we were only down two.
And then from that point, the Lakers just really kicked it in the year.
In the third quarter, I think they went up 10.
And then by the time the game was over, we were up 20.
You know exactly what they would we hope they do against the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Seem even without a D.
But again, these.
I think this is the night winter in a role and I'm just getting a lot more confidence in this team what they could do.
Well, if they have one of our top guys out, Yeah, they they managed to get it done, even though you didn't have Anthony Davis.
And you know what? I look at this game and I look I mean, the Lakers wind up winning by what, 29 points here, and I think I should What if they had Anthony Davis? Because you look at what the cabs did and they're scoring.
They got a lot of points out of Kevin Love.
They got 21 points out of Kevin Love, including 11 boards, and Chris.
There was sometimes where Kevin look.
Kyle Kuzma defending Kevin Love.
He made Kevin Love look like it was Chris Masters down there on the block, right? Like Kevin Lumb was physically overpower in Kyle Koosman.
That that's part of the problem with, with whose mind? Not that he had that poor of a game.
I mean, it wasn't a great game, but five of 13 shooting for 11 points, not like the 36 he dropped in the last one.
But you saw where sometimes he's just a little bit too slight, a little bit too slender to deal with with the pounding play in at that power forward spot.
And so that's maybe something that we can talk about here in a bid.
Something to consider moving forward.
I'm sure we're gonna get some trade questions regarding Koosman.
So something to keep in mind.
But other than that, chess, we're gonna talk about the fact that Dwight Howard and not only a monster performance but Dwight Howard is now becoming a three part three point shooter.
He's a splash, brother.
What is going on in the world? Are we living in that? Dwight Howard is now shooting threes.
You know, it's interesting.
Remember in the summertime when they started looking at who they're going to sign and remember the names were Dwight Howard joking? No and marching.
Gortat rest will put those names out there and you're looking at it.
And, you know, we did kind of laugh it off that Dwight was saying, you know, he started practice threes and modernizing his game.
But give the man credit.
He did exactly that.
And the weight loss in the drop it made him.
I mean, he was already a freak.
Anyways, athletically, it just made him more agile, and he's got more spring in his jump.
You know what I mean? And what I'm looking at, what he's doing and how he's evolved his game and what he's done.
Like I give nothing but credit to the guy.
And I think the way Frank Vogel has managed him and JaVale McGee together.
And we joke about this that they're kind of like one player morphed into two players morphed into one.
But you want my coward.
I mean, the way the way he does that and the numbers are putting up like, Yeah, Dwight has been the fact that you know he's playing him no more than 2025 minutes a night and what Dwight Howard's bring in terms of energy and what he's bringing to the defensive end.
I mean, I've been so impressed with the guy to me, uh, again, I'm not taking this.
Is the two best players into me so far? This scene number three or four on the Lakers in terms of performance? Nine. Tonight.
So, Jess, I gotta hit you with this because last show Chris was awning and Chris, you asked me a phenomenal question.
If you were to take the Lakers and you're to remove LeBron James and Anthony Davis right from from the trade bloc, which, of course, is the way it is, if you could protect one more player or if you have one more guy that you would say, okay, we definitely don't want to trade this person.
Who's that? Next guy up for the Lakers? Jazz isn't Dwight, cause I mean, like Chris.
We got a few comments with people saying Maybe it's Dwight.
I don't know what do you think? I would definitely go with Troy Daniels? I think you know, I would say that.
What? You're looking at it.
It's a great question cause there's no easy answer to it.
But I would look at it and say, You know, depending on and been so up and down with some of the bench guys and you look at like White has been the most consistent player behind 80 and LeBron so I think it's hard not to make the case that it's him.
Do I think that Danny Green, everybody, these guys could be more valuable if they're playing at their best? Absolutely no in terms of chipping and offensively.
Yeah, but to me right now, Yeah, I wouldn't hesitate to say that Dwight Howard would be that guy.
What about you? Yeah, I had heard that. You know it.
Well, actually, jazz, obviously you didn't listen. Listen to the show.
I know where we're going.
I'm gonna let you go ahead and guess.
Guess who I picked who? Um, I would I would say that you went with you. Got it.
How did you know that? I know you probably sleep.
Sleep with a teddy bear with Alex Caruso is up like that.
You love the guy.
So I think hard about the teddy bear Had some hair on the top.
I just pulled some of it out to make it.
I think it's and we worked out pretty well for me.
You know what? He Chris, we gotta talk about this stuff too.
At halftime, I flipped over to the Cavs feed just to check it out.
And Tristan Thompson had this quote.
Let me pull it up here off of my twitter when he's talking about the fact that the Cavs had Tristan Thompson defending LeBron James.
Okay, which I mean just on the surface.
That sounds insane.
But Tristan Thompson said this.
I've been telling the staff, everyone all guard, the best player every night.
I've got no problem doing that. Me and brawn.
He knows what I'm doing in the post.
I know what he's doing on the wing.
I accept the challenge.
LeBron James on the night.
31 points on 12 of 16 shooting to go along with 878 goal with eight assist.
Six or seven for the line, one of three from deep Chris.
What? What is Tristan Thompson thinking? Thinking.
I'm gonna I'm gonna defend James.
What is what is going on here, then and then? Kind of calling about 1/2 time.
I could only imagine the way LeBron came fired, came out fired up in the second half.
I hope someone showed him that clip of Tristan Thompson saying that because he just he ate him up.
Yeah, well, it seemed like it by watching LeBron go off in the fourth quarter.
I mean, he really kind of ice to deal for us in the fourth by just kind of going nuts, but it's a bad matchup.
You know Tristan shouldn't be guarding LeBron LeBron's a freak athlete.
There's only certain people that can stay in front of LeBron.
And it definitely can't be someone of that height, weight and athleticism.
You know, LeBron is just gonna blow by him every time.
And, you know, LeBron such a smart player.
I mean, probably knows all of his tendencies, since they did play together for many seasons over in Cleveland.
So I don't know.
I don't know what Tristan was thinking.
I think that was just a postures from the think that that would be a good matchup for him and that he would Extell in that.
You know, what it reminded me of was Ruben Patterson.
He has remember Ruben Patterson, the Gobi stop Kobe stopper.
It's like what? You don't say that, man, You don't do that.
You're just going to give him, give him reason to go off on you.
It was I mean, don't get me wrong for the Lakers perspective.
I would have said yes as soon as he said that when LeBron's gonna light this guy up, but it certainly did.
Here's an interesting comment that just popped up, and this is a bit off topic here, but Louise problem from YouTube said Cook was trying too hard out there.
So Quinn Cook was actually getting minutes tonight in place of Roger on Rondo and the I kind of thought the same thing is what Louise was noticing.
It felt like he was forcing things like he was trying to make things happen and given his position, his predicament, where he's not getting a lot of minutes, that makes sense.
But Jazz? Did you have the same assessment of Quinn Cook's play tonight? Did you think he was just forcing things too much or where we had to actually played pretty well the other night? Yeah.
You know, I think it's hard when you're when you're a bench guy and you know you're fighting for minutes, right? Like he's gotta come out there and even a little bit tense A little bit too tight, like, Hey, I gotta go.
I gotta come out here.
I'm gonna work really hard, and I can't make mistakes.
You know what I mean? What ends up happening like that? You are tightened up and you do start making mistakes because you're overthinking the game and I think that's what you've seen at periods from Quinn Cook. I know Trevor.
You were really high on the opposition when they caught him.
Because he is, he can shoot the ball, you know what I mean? And, you know, we've seen him buried in the 11.
Even Troy Daniels.
Get a lot of DNP CDs as well, not playing cause the coach's decision for me.
I think what I said, what I'm seeing from Quinn Cook is he started still trying to find his identity on this team, and I think that if he was getting more consistent minutes, you might not be able to look at him and say he's forcing it at times.
But right now, and he probably knows that **** once Rondo's back.
I'm not getting any run again, and so he's gonna come out there and try and try and force thing.
So maybe LeBron you know, one of the leaders on the team 80 gets it with him and talk to her and say, Look, man, you know, slow down.
We don't have to do what you're here for a reason and hope we got that kind of help calm his mental, the mental aspect of the game.
And you know what? Like Kris and I talked about this on the last show, Chris, we we were talking about Should Quinn cook get another look, should he get more time after being part of that Lakers win over.
Okay, See, without LeBron without Anthony Davis, the bench players all kind of stepping up without David Greene as well.
All those guys stepped up and we said, you know, Yeah, he probably should get another another chance.
But you can't just erase everything that he had done previously.
Was this performance poor enough? And I don't want to say he was terrible.
Was this enough to say OK, we really know for sure what Quinn cook is.
Let's move on to other options.
Or were you or did you go there the way did you think he did? Enough to warrant more playing time? Uh, well, for me personally, it didn't move the needle really at all.
I mean, I don't think he was extraordinarily horrible tonight.
I did see him give up, you know, kind of an ill advised three pointer at one point in the game, but it didn't like stand out to me.
He didn't stand out to me is a sore spot with a team tonight, but like I don't feel any different, whether it be higher or lower right now, I think if there's an acquisition and uh and he needs to be part of the package, I would definitely look into that, you know? So that's just pretty much where I stand on them.
I don't know about you guys.
Yeah, no, I'm the same way.
I don't think this performance really did much of anything.
I think I think what he needed was another strong performance, and I don't think we saw that tonight from from Quinn Cook.
I've got a question here from YouTube, Carlos Cruz said.
Did you see? McGee yelled at Koosman.
That was a big moment in this game, was a lot closer at the time.
I don't recall the exact score, but it was quite a bit closer and Kyle Kuzma, we're driving to the basket and rather than just toss a little lob to McGee, who was wide open, he crashed into Kevin Love and got a charge called against him and JaVale McGee was not pleased with Count Cruise.
My got into space a little bit yelled at him.
What do you guys think about that? Starting with jazz.
Is that just a sign of, you know, a thing that teams do? Or was there just, you know, or this may be ah, kind of, ah, boiling over issue with Kyle Kuzma and McGee.
I don't know what you're not gonna compare playing in college and Canada to play in the n b A.
But if you would have seen some of the stuff that I said to my old teammates and the stuff they said to say is just a part of the gate, you're gonna put each other down, you're gonna get you're gonna get your It's intense, right? You're hyper can.
You guys are all hyper competitive.
That's why they are where they are.
And so if the guy makes a mistake, you're gonna call Melt for now.
Would you see somebody yell it? LeBron like that? Hell, no. You know what I mean.
Nobody's yelling at LeBron.
I kind of think that lets it happen.
Well, Anthony Davis Good, because he's out of that stature.
But you're gonna have that pecking order on the on the team and and for me, I don't I I know sometimes people make a big deal of things.
And remember Trevor early in the season, we would have people asking if 80 is not happy with LeBron because he looks like he's, you know, he's he's moving around a little bit, like, you know, don't make a mountain out of out of the bowl.
It was It was it was something good, because that's what championship teams do.
They hold each other accountable.
And you don't want LeBron and 80 always being the guys to call it a teammate if they make a mistake.
And in this case, javale McGee again lower on the pecking order that has enough confidence in himself to say, Hey, man, you know what? Next time, throw that up.
Second, I could throw it down.
Chris, any comparisons to your experience in WW and pro wrestling in general or you you had somebody kind of either calling you out.
Are you calling someone else out? You know, out of I believe it was it was a veil.
Not because he was necessarily mad at Cosmo.
He was trying to get him to do up his performance.
Any comparisons that you've got got for us there.
I mean, that kind of stuff happens all the time.
I mean, I've had Ric Flair tell me off for not putting in the effort that he thought I could put him on certain matches in my career and, you know, like, did various things.
It could be like somebody's maybe to physical, like, you know, So then, you know, that could be a reason for some hostility and, like, you know, a confrontation like that.
But, um, you know, I don't know if the crew saying, you know, I like you.
He goes back to like, you know, I know that he's trying to play and he's trying to put numbers on the board to show his value and all that.
And I don't know if that's just something where, you know, he had a smarter play where you got a lot of it, McGee.
But he was thinking about himself in that point, so I don't know. It's just speculation.
Um, somebody's asking here forever.
You want people to yell at LeBron? No, I don't I don't think LEBRON needs to be yelled at, but I'm saying if the situation called for it, I would hope that the team would feel comfortable getting on the bronze case and holding him accountable, because that's that. That's important.
It's important that the entire team is held accountable and nobody's exempt from that. I think that's I.
I feel like this Lakers team would do that.
At least some of the guys would, uh, I tend to think like Jared Dudley wouldn't mind getting Hung LeBron's case because he goes, he'll go after just about anybody.
So I like that, Um, well, you know what? You know what Trevor's chime in there, that somebody yelling at LeBron would be like near Chris yelling at you.
We're not gonna do that manually, that it's the pecking order.
Like they said, You're the superstars.
I let your bigger thank you.
If you do make a mistake, it's okay.
You guys can yell at me if you wanted to, like Well, if we're gonna yell at you about going to a Clippers game, right, like if I could go to a Clippers game, I would expect that I'd be hearing it from you way.
Recall you Clipper truck. Trevor.
Hey, I'm gonna have to start, like, not wearing red or anything.
Don't do anything just for pulling gold all the time, Christians.
But it's one in a master lock.
Julie is Antonio says I wouldn't say that about Kobe.
No, I actually I feel the same thing about Kobe.
I feel like Kobe should be in the same in the same spot.
Ah, Sa***e Sa***e from YouTube said, should cook get treated? Uh, look, I mean, I think Quinn Cook is so contractually, Here's where he's at.
He's making three million this season and three million next season, but next season, only a $1,000,000 of that is guaranteed.
So a team only has to pay him one million you could absorb.
You could send out a what, almost $4.
5 million salary for Quinn Cook and then only have to pay a 1,000,000.
So you could save yourself a little bit of money.
No, it's not a huge savings, right, But But that contract could be a little bit valuable just in terms of the trade market and everything.
I don't think you're going to trade him, though, and go land like the piece that's gonna carry the Lakers to a championship.
You can include his salary is part of a deal.
But if you're gonna trade Quinn coach just like I don't think you're even gonna get a second round pick.
If you try to flip Quinn, Cook to another team like he's not, he's just not at that level.
That's not what he's done this season.
I mean, am I? Am I off base, their jazz or you? You feel the same way about Cook? I'm with you.
I think the only way you'd be able to do that is if he's a salary throwing that.
You know, there's that he's that he's a part of a bigger trade that they're trying to look to get, you know, salaries matching up in there, three million short of words where it should be.
And then that. But I agree.
I mean, a second round pick.
No, I mean, the only thing you may be doing with Quinn Cook is a change of scenery trade, where you're trading for another guy who's 1/10 11th man on its struggling and hoping that it works out for the best.
Yeah, that's that's probably the best you could hope for in a in a Quinn cook trade.
Most likely he'd be like salary filler and, uh and we'll see, you know, look, trade deadline coming up on February 6th.
So it's going to be interesting to see which direction the Lakers go.
I think that today, and I guess we kind of get into this.
I think today we saw, like we saw the good Kyle Kuzma in the last outing.
We saw what Kyle Kuzma can bring when he really gets it going.
But then we also saw some of the deficiencies today, especially on the defensive end, trying to deal with a guy like Kevin Love.
You can't trust cow whose mom on a player like that in the playoffs now, ideally, that's gonna be Anthony Davis there.
Maybe you can put cow Cosmos somewhere else.
Uh, but it still begs the question.
What do you do with with Cosma? Do you trade him? Do you keep him? Do you try to find somebody who complained more minutes? It's an interesting situation.
Just since Chris and I talked about all that show where you at with Campos.
But at this point, well, it's interesting. I came.
I did watch watch the games and they were to get the extended highlights.
And it was super impressed with what Kuzma did.
Especially that Okay, see, Game put the team on his back.
The interesting part for me and again, I'm looking at this.
Going forward is is he gonna be able to do it with LeBron and 80 in the lineup consistently? Because it was easy for him.
He was a second option, right on first option.
Really? On Saturday and and Friday, he was more the second option behind LeBron.
And so it almost looked like for him.
Mentally, he was more into the game.
We're locked into what he needed to do.
And he also knew he wasn't get Hiss, You know what I mean? So I think for what I'm looking to see from Coos is okay, you're gonna get 80 back in the lineup, hopefully by the Saturday game in Houston.
And if you get him back for that, how is he gonna play those games? And can you do a stretch right now that he's gonna put up 15 again? 20 nights, probably a little bit too much.
But I would say, you know, somewhere between 14 and 20 at night, consistently with those two in the lineup, where he's not gonna be the focal point of the offense.
So I think for me that that's gonna be the important thing for Kuzma is.
Can he do it when the two big dogs are actually playing? Yeah, that's a great point.
Can you do it? And I think he's done it with LeBron before.
The question is, can he do it with Anthony Davis, who is going to be playing at the four, which kind of can push crews out unless unless eighties, at over at the five and you bring Koosman as the four.
But you know what? Look, if if you move it, move into the three, he kind of loses that speed advantage that he enjoys, so I'm not sure, but I think you're onto something there as far as can he do it? Not with just LeBron, but with both LeBron and Anthony Davis and then become part of like that closing line up for the Lakers.
I mean, Chris, like, wouldn't you think that a closing line up with LeBron a.
D and Kuzma is a good place to start, and then you can.
We can argue about the final two spots, but I think those three need to be in.
And in order for that to happen, Cozma's gotta show that he can produce alongside both of them and not just one.
Yeah, and we have talked about This is just tricky.
I guess when you have a center in addition to 80 in the line up to get coos, to fit him in.
So that continues to be the struggle.
It's like, Okay, well, if we start a center and we have a d at the four and then Cruz is coming off the bench, you know, it seems like whose needs some time on the court in order to really get going and to get the most out a coup.
So I just I don't know how you balance the minutes, and it would be nice to figure out a way to do that so that, like you were kind of alluding to in the playoffs.
We can have that lineup where we play a G it center because I feel like we're going to need that light up at some point, so I just I don't know what you do.
In the meantime, Thio do that, you know, outside of right now, because obviously we have a bra or LeBron played tonight by a D being out.
So I like to hear what you guys think. Yeah.
I mean, look, it's gonna be tough.
It's gonna be tough to figure out a way to get Koosman minutes.
I don't know how they do it.
At least I think he needs 30 minutes.
I really think you need to give Koosman 30 minutes a night for him.
Did not feel like yes for Russia. Everything.
And try to cram a full game performance into, say, a 20 minute appearance or something like that.
And I'm struggling because I don't You can't play with the two you can't blame at the five and LeBron and 80 or you need them most of the minutes that the three of the four, it's a it's a challenge.
Uh, just a Is there a way around this or what do you do the only way around it.
And I'm saying it's from a individual standpoint for Kyle Kuzma.
Is that the only way that this is gonna be an issue for the Lakers like themselves, actually themselves, if he plays good enough that they have to have out there at the end of the game and which he did last game? Right now, you did last game and he's done again, but he hasn't done it consistently with both those two guys, and I think that and you've hit the nail on the head trouble.
It's like your two best players are in the two positions that whose is best suited to play.
And so how do you figure out a way to get him in there? And there's only way you could do that if he's playing the way he did on Friday, Saturday on a consistent basis, and and I think it's been interesting because, you know, we're talking about this now.
I'll ask both you guys to is who's been better this season, like Dwight Howard or Kyle Koosman.
Your pity, uh, said I'd say Dwight dry it.
Yeah, and I think part of that is Cousin has been injured and everything.
I think Cosmo's got Kuzma ceiling is higher, but I think based on who's produced more like who's generated more wins for the Lakers this season.
I don't think there's any question that's joint.
Yeah, so and that's why I'm saying, if you're looking at it from that standpoint and you look at okay, we'll move 80 over to the five when you're playing against a team in the playoffs that that does run the traditional big man, that you don't have to match up with 80 on him.
And I know 80 probably would play the five if need be, said he would, but prefers not to, atleast in the meantime and trying to stick with the four.
You know who do you who do? You go with it and that's it.
That's the thing between now and February the six.
It's like we have to see Colin Charisma do what he did those last two games for a stretch here.
To even consider him being a part of the closing lineup, which again look back in August when Boogie got hurt, that was something that were like, Who's your best player? And it was not even something that we were gonna think was gonna happen.
So again, he played himself kind of out of the rotation, and that's a combination of injuries and missing time and not get in the the full training camp in.
But now we're at a point where, 34 months into the season, there's no more excuses, right? If he's gonna earn it now, he's got it.
He's got to do it.
Otherwise, yeah, it could be. You could be out of L A Real quick.
I mean, look, we we know we know that, um that Rob Blake has been having discussions with other teams about Kyle Kuzma.
I mean, the report that came out was that and it's from Sam A****, who was very, you know, he's very connected with Sacramento.
That's where he came up.
And, uh so he said that No, it was it was the Lakers reaching out to the King's about Cosmo for Bogdanovich, not the other way around.
And so that tells me the look at I mean Rob Pelinka.
I would say that he's shopping him, but he's at least seeing what's out there, which that's his job, right? That's what he's supposed to do.
Doesn't mean he's trying to get rid of Kyle Kuzma.
Sometimes you just call a team just a gauge value.
There's nothing wrong with doing that, but Kyle Kuzma could be on the way out.
It depends on what kind of with the what happens these next few weeks.
And do they ultimately think he's the guy long term that they need? And is there another piece out there that they think will fit better? It's gonna be interesting to see which way they go with it.
And speaking of guys that they need, I'm getting a ton of questions right now popping up in our chat about Andre Iguodala coming up again, because there was a story that came out today for amount from John Hollinger on the athletic, where he created a path for the Lakers to trade for Andre Iguodala.
And you know, like the Memphis Grizzlies have stumped their feet, held their breath, thrown a tantrum and said, We will not buy out Andre Iguodala because they want someone to give them something for him.
They want someone to trade for him, and Hollinger came up with a plan to basically flip some pieces.
It essentially breaks down to this.
They were going to trade Troy Daniels Quinn Cook and this up top my head, by the way, guys.
So if I'm off on a piece, let me know.
But Troy Daniels, Quinn, Cook and DeMarcus cousins flipped that contra those three contracts to the Hornets for Michael Kidd.
Gilchrist, who makes a little bit more.
And then you flipped Michael Kidd Gilchrist in a deal for Iguodala, where you'd be attaching something.
Ah ah Wei Future second rounder or some cash or something like that in order to make that work so you'd be adding medulla.
You'd be losing cousins.
You'd be losing Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels.
You could say, Maybe that's nothing, depending on what happens with Cousins.
Uh, but what do you guys think about that idea? Is that a plausible scenario? Is that something that you want to go do? Chris, would you do even that? Or are you or do you just put your foot down and say no? We're waiting to see if Memphis buys amount, Period.
Uh, yeah, I would do that only because we're all in tow win this season, because basically, when it comes down to it when you think you brought a cook and Daniel's on boogie.
I mean, as much as it would be nice and good faith to hold on, to boogie and maybe re signing for next season.
I think we have to do whatever we can to make the team better.
And I don't think any one of those three guys is gonna necessarily make a huge difference for us come the end of the season.
So I have a lot.
You know, if we have to put those guys for Iggy, I think there's no question we have to do it.
Jazz, same thing.
You know what I like? Obviously I think $100 does that solve a lot of problems for for this team and again, how many problems as a team have the 33 7? I like that as well.
But you know when when you're looking at what they need to do going forward.
I also think that if you look at it and you're not, you're not really messing around with your long term vision in order to get because Again $100 for the most part, is in phenomenal shape.
He looks like he takes care of himself.
The problem is, he hasn't played a game in eight months, right? And so you're looking at it.
How late do you get him out? Soon.
Do you get him? How much time will it take him to get acclimated? There's a bunch of factors.
So if you could look at a guy like Darren Collison, which again checks out boxes different one than Andre Iguodala does but helps and strengthens your bench, where you're not really giving up anything other than opening up a roster spot.
I think I would look at that as well.
But I mean, if both options were there in the medulla and part of me as a child, and then call us and as a free agent, I would obviously take a bottle over Call us, and I just think long term wise depends on how you want to put this stuff.
If call isn't available for free, realistically, I would go and take it.
Well, I guess that's really the kind of the added benefit, right? If you take Cousins and cook and Daniel's and you ship all of them out for just one player coming back, ultimately, being Andre would all, uh, that you have to Ross Response that are open and you can do whatever you want with those.
Maybe you'll be bringing on E would Allah, Jeff Green and Darren Collison.
And then you say OK, we're rolling and we don't need to worry about trading Cow whose But we don't need to worry about anything else if something falls in our laps.
But otherwise we've plugged the holes that the team has.
We've found the three Andy defenders that we need.
You've got Green and he would only now and then you've added the secondary point guard that you need in Darren Collison.
I think that's a pretty appealing situation, and it look, maybe it's a little bit far fetched, but I don't think it's all that unlikely like that's there's a real chance something like that could go down.
And I can't say that the Lakers wouldn't be better off going that route than trading Calico.
Do you? Okay, here's my thing, though, because I'm looking at this for next year.
Do you think that they want to re sign? It looks like they want to bring back Yeah, that's that's kind of the long term play, so I think that's where they may have a little bit of hesitation right now.
It is. They want to see what boogie brings next year.
But again, it depends you going long term.
And, Chris, you mentioned that this team is should be all in to win a championship because they are either the number one or two team, depending on where you stop Milwaukee compared to the Lakers in terms of championship odds and where they could be.
So, uh, for me, it's like if they want to keep bogey long term.
Obviously, you don't want to do that.
But if you think that book is not your long term plans, you don't find on him being around other 34 years, then you pull the trigger on Chris.
You What do you think, Marcus? Cousin? Is that enough to make you not to make you hesitate at all? Like, do you want him to be part of the uh, no, I mean, again, I would I would like to keep him, but, um, again, what we're all in for this season and boogie is not gonna help us this season.
That's all it comes down to for me.
And I wouldn't feel good about it.
But it wouldn't make me hesitate, because again, this is just where we're out.
We need to do whatever we can for this season.
I think, yeah, next year matters.
But I just feel like we got to do whatever we can like it.
I like this year is the year, especially with the way we've been playing lately.
Even with a D and LeBron out, it just makes me think even more.
It's like, well, whatever we can do to make ourselves even that much better, even though our record is great to make sure that we can withstand the Bucks and the Clippers, we got to do it.
Yeah, yeah, I could see both sides of that.
DeMarcus Cousins could certainly be an interesting piece moving forward.
Look if he's signing for the minimum anywhere this summer.
I wanted to be with the Lakers because I think there's a decent chance he out plays that contract, even with all the injuries.
But then on the flip side, if you can get a piece that's gonna help you win a championship this year, isn't that all that matters? Putting number 17 up in the rafters tying the Boston Celtics like that.
You do what you got to do with this point.
You can't really hold back.
Got to go all in, Right? You've already treated most of the young guys.
So why stop? Be interesting to see how Rob Pelinka handled handles that, by the way, uh, I hadn't thought of this before, But Chris, there's somebody from periscope timing in here saying that you look like Clay Thompson.
I just kind of notice that now that's a good observation.
It's a new revelation here.
A new revelation.
Another thing that we want to get into.
Let's talk a little bit about this next game coming up.
So the Lakers are taking on the Orlando Magic, and we kind of like we look at this game and you just pencil in a w.
Right? Kind of like when you see Cleveland on the on the on the schedule.
You okay? Well, that's gonna be a win.
We feel the same way about Orlando, but Orlando has actually played the Lakers really tough in recent years.
A lot of those games have come in Orlando affected.
They beat the Lakers twice last season.
Nikola Vucevic has been been tremendous.
He's been very, very good fact.
The Lakers were fortunate he wasn't playing when they played Orlando in Orlando earlier this season.
They are without Jonathan Isaac, who was, Ah, terror blocking shots.
But let's preview that came a little bit.
Just what are you thinking with the Lakers going up against the Orlando Magic? Um, should we just consider this one a win? Or does Orlando's habit of playing the Lakers tough? Continue? Yeah, they They've done a pretty pretty good job of matching up with with the Laker, especially last year.
I know that that game, when they took on Orlando there, Newsome was awesome and had Staples Center last season.
So, uh, Orlando? Not as terrible.
So you can't sleep lock the way that Lakers did for you know, the first quarter today and then kind of expected to have an easy win.
Do I think the Lakers should absolutely come out with the W? Yes, but you just want to make sure that you're not sleeping on him too much and giving them too much leeway because you could find yourself down 15 20 points if they come out with a lazy effort to.
So to me, if they come out strong from the start, I don't anticipate anti Davis will play.
I think they'll probably give another day off.
So I think it's gonna be up to LeBron and hopefully who's my gets gets going early.
If you get out 15 20 our 10 15 years early in the second quarter or midway through the second quarter, you can put them away real quick to Chris.
What do you think about the magic this season? Ah, well, the Lakers haven't given us any reason to think they're not gonna beat the teams that they're supposed to be.
And I don't know exactly what the Orlando Magic record is this season.
I don't know if you can check on that trip, but I fully anticipate us getting a W in that one.
Even if you know, I was hoping a D might be back by.
Maybe you're right.
Maybe we'll sit out through ah, past Wednesday or something like that.
But even we got a d.
Just seeing what we've seen over the last couple days, I think, uh, I'm not really tripping over the Orlando Magic was that way in the Orlando Magic, as of right now, are in seventh place in the Eastern Conference.
They are 19 wins and 21 losses on the season.
Point differential is a plus 210.
3, so they're basically an average team in the Eastern Conference.
They could wind up in the playoffs.
In fact, right now it looks like they are a They're pretty well situated to get into the playoffs, especially abusive, which continues playing well.
But, yeah, this isn't a team.
This isn't a team. The Lakers should lose, too.
But it's also a good enough team like you.
Look at the calves that teams.
If the Lakers sleepwalk through most of the game against the Cavs, you're still gonna win.
You're still gonna walk away.
They win against Orlando.
They're just good enough.
To where If you aren't sharp, if you aren't focused to give to, you know, maybe 80% effort, they could beat you.
Yeah, I'm with you on that man, and I think they're not like I said.
They're not a CZ, lazy or crappy as a team, as the Knicks and calves are so you can't.
You can't just sleepwalk against teams like that.
And we saw that happened earlier in the year.
You know that games against Memphis and games against Charlotte were decent, but not not as terrible as the other teams where they were kind of sleepwalking and it was a little bit closer than it should be.
So, again, I fully expected the Lakers win streak to get to 10 on Wednesday.
If it doesn't something catastrophically wrong in that game, like LeBron James about to technical fellers or a flagrant or something.
And maybe then the things got out of control.
But I just don't see a way that they should lose.
That game in Orlando stinks on the road as well.
They're six and 13 away from home, so I mean, you got to take advantage of them and take advantage of that.
Really? Well, it's a what if Orlando sticks in this game, you're gonna look for two things to happen, and that's well, actually, Okay, Three things. Evan Fournier.
Never Google has been been tremendous.
He's been been very, very good this season.
In fact, he's probably one of the top players that'll be on the trade market.
Vucevic's has lit up.
The Lakers recently in the Lakers, didn't see him last game.
He could step out and stretch the Lakers Biggs out there, which pulls away some rim protection.
So if 80 isn't playing, that could be a little bit of a challenge.
If you've got Vucevic's pulling JaVale and pulling Dwight out to the three point line, suddenly your next best defender at the rim is what Kyle Kuzma.
That's not gonna work out so well for the Lakers.
So that's gonna open things up for a guy like D. J.
Augustine. Yeah, that's right, the same D. J.
Augustine that the Lakers are rumored to be interested in.
If they don't get Darren Collison for free, they are rumored to be going after D. J.
He's one of the point guards that they're looking at, and D. J.
Augustine has a history of lighting up the Lakers.
In fact, his his best defensive rating is against the Lakers.
His second best offense of rating comes against the Lakers.
In fact, he's shooting like 48%.
If I remember right off top my head from deep against the Lakers and for his career.
He's like I was a 38% from three or something.
So he has a history of play well against the Lakers, too.
So if you're the magical and stick in it, it's probably gonna be because of big performances from guys like you.
Augustine and D.
Augustine can get going if boots of inches pulling the Lakers Biggs away from the paint and getting rid of that rim protection.
So that's gonna be something to keep an eye on.
Anyway, do you think the Lakers can mitigate that? Anything they can do? Like, Do you try to put like, how guzman Vucevic's? I think they just back a man.
Uh, what? How do you handle that? If you're the Lakers, how do you handle a guy? Ah, Big Bacon.
Stretch the floor of the way Vucevic's can? Well, yeah, that's an interesting idea there because what the Lakers excel, it is their interior defense.
So if you have a big that can spread the floor like that, that's gonna be a problem.
We're not gonna have that that secondary or that shop locker.
That last line of defense, I don't know.
I I'd like to hear what you guys think on that.
I don't know exactly how you can write that.
How do you How do you handle it? Well, I think without without a d in the lineup that takes away the flexibility of putting him on Bruce ****inson, blend and, you know, play on the perimeter.
Um, again, you're probably gonna look at Orlando trying to get trying to get Dwight Howard and develop McGee away from the group and may be running some chicken rolls and picking pops for Bruce addicted.
Take some outside shots too.
So I would maybe look at it and try and and go under, go under the screen.
So the whoever the guy is I mean, we gotta find out.
Did you obviously grew up as a czar Clipper fan.
Maybe he hates the Lakers or something like that.
That's when he comes out and dominates every time.
But is that really you know, I said we gotta find out it was enough, But, um, you know, I think you would probably try and go under under the screen and make the guy's gonna beat you there because Goose Vic as we've seen can get going, and he's been a thorn in the Lakers side the last few times.
If they have plate, yeah, yeah, that's that's gonna be the big thing to watch is what can they do against Bruce Ceviche? And then what happens? What domino effect happens if Vucevic's gets going? Four guys like Augustine For guys like Fournier, that's something to keep to keep an eye on in that game.
Certainly somethingto watch some people commenting.
I'm not saying me.
Trevor is not happy with Kyle Kuzma.
It's not that I'm not happy.
I think there's real questions that we need to ask, though, and I'm trying to look at it from Rob Klink is perspective with regards to trading.
I'm not aboard the trade Koosman train or anything like that.
I'm just I'm just trying to look at what the Lakers will be really considering here.
But back to the magic game.
I think it's gonna be really interesting to see how the Lakers handle that situation.
I had one commenter say go to that zone defense.
We've seen the Lakers, you zone defense more and more recently.
Maybe that's a solution for the time being.
If you could be switching and sending somebody else out to cover Bruce, which when he's on the perimeter and then trading back to when he cuts into the post, then you've got a big on them.
Obviously, you do give up some other things, like like jazz.
If the lake, let's say the Lakers do that.
Let's say they employed their zone defense as a way to try to deal with that issue.
What else should we watch for going wrong? I mean, there's some things that inherently can happen when it teams running his own defense.
Well, the two things is, you're gonna give up a lot more outside shots if you're running a 23 specifically.
So if they are running a 23 Orlando, not a very good three point shooting team 27th overall.
So you might want to take your chances on that.
If if they're getting going without with Blue Civic, the other problem is offensive rebounds you get.
You're more prone to give those up in his own, so those are two of the issues you could have.
But again, if you're if you're trying to play to your opponent's weakness and kind of exposed that Orlando.
Like I said, not a great three point shooting team.
So that might be one way to counter it if if the man demands not working with with Pacific specifically because I think the Lakers are fine and pretty much every other position in terms of Evan Fournier, a Onda who else taken deejay, obviously, they can match up with.
But I think Blue Civic is gonna be the extractor for Orlando.
Even trying to stay in this game, period.
Not never mind winning it.
Chris, Do you think you think Vucevic's the guy to stop If you put the clamps on him, if you find a way to slow him down, maybe keep into what if you keep him but 15 points unless you got you got to feel pretty good about the Lakers.
Chance to win, right? Yeah, I like you guys ideas, actually, in terms of running the screen role in creating on matchup issues or even the zone where you're switching out, you get the defender switching out when they went in the post and on the Ark, so I don't know.
It seems like the ticket if you figure out a way to get O figure out that match up, we'll probably get another W well, and they do have Marquel folds who's actually starting a point guard for them right now.
J Augustine Folds put up 16 points against the Sacramento Kings tonight, and they did pick up the win there.
Aaron Gordon had 19 Booster, which had 26 48 25.
Their starters got it done.
They are starting, though.
Cam Birch eyes another big that they're starting alongside Vucevic's.
So they're kind of running the Twin Towers approach there.
So this is a game where if and he's ready to go, I think he would make a huge, huge, huge difference in this war.
Not to say that, you know, he's obviously gonna make a difference in every game, but in terms of the way the Lakers complain and the way they can handle the Orlando Magic, I think Anthony Davis solves a lot of the issues that we're bringing up here 100% man, because then you could match up with with Bruce Vic and needed that right? Aaron Gordon out there.
Obama, who's more of a defensive guy you're gonna have those options and match up.
I just think overall, if the Lakers were able to kind of keep the clamp down defensively, which which they've done a good job of even the last three games here without a D in the lineup, I still think they should win this game by by 8 to 10 points. Pretty useless.
Yeah, yeah, agreed.
Right there with you.
All right, guys, let's let's wrap things up right there and and we'll get ready for that Orlando Magic game in just a few days.
Wrapping things up.
Lakers Get the win over the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Anything you want to leave us with nine wins in a row? This is just awesome.
We're continue to have a great season, and I'm off to Germany on Wednesday.
So I'll see you boys, I guess probably Sunday or Monday.
I don't know when the next Laker game. This format.
We'll definitely good lookin in Germany, and hopefully you go and kick some butt over there.
Uh, Jess, Final thoughts.
You know, you guys, you specifically not not Trevor or not? Not Chris, but you specifically trouble you guys and I had some people laughed at me when I said this team is capable of winning 65 games.
Just reminder that if they went on Wednesday there at the midway point at 34 wins on face for 68 So I still think the Lakers win 65? That's right.
What do What do I owe you? What if we bet we didn't We bet, like, 63 a half.
63 a half. I think we better six pack.
All right? That's all right.
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be getting the cash ready because it feels like I'm gonna I'm gonna probably gonna wind up paying up on that.
But you know what? I would be happy to do it if the Lakers go out there and they wind up winning 65 games or whatever this season, guys appreciate every joining us.
All the questions, all the comments coming in when you joined us from periscope from YouTube from Facebook.
Appreciate you guys joining us tonight.
We'll be back again.
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So, Chris, have a great trip out there.
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We're actually gonna be there in person.
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