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As you probably heard, the Giants have got their next head coach, and it is not mad.
Rule out of Baylor is a lot of people expected to come in for an interview with the Giants.
Instead, word outta Carolina is that they signed him as their next head coach to a six year, 70 or seven years $60 million deal.
So they moved the needle down there in Carolina's.
They try to turn over from Ron Rivera and see what they can have in the hot coaching candidates, certainly out of the college ranks of this off season Giants.
Then, amid kind of speculation of whether or not they had missed out you, they reached out to Matt Rhule.
Sooner They go ahead and pivot and they pick up Joe Judge out of the Patriots organization.
There he was, the special teams coordinator wide receiver coach Bill within the organization for 89 years, so he now is in the process of finalizing his deal to become the next head coach of the New York football giants.
Now I know the initial reaction here, coming out of a lot of spots.
Listen to some ESPN radio as well.
You know? Certainly Dave Rothenberg, not excited about it, feels like it's kind of this.
Ah, hapless maneuver from the Giants.
Or that they kind of got beat out right? They haven't like McCarthy for the interview.
He uses that as leverage when he goes down to Dallas and gets higher there.
We came on last time and talked about Mike McCarthy and some of these other coaching candidates.
Certainly there's some other options out there that I was interested in.
Ah, highlighted Martingale there in Baltimore, certainly a guy that we thought maybe we'd get an interview opportunity then wasn't really mentioned.
That all was Greg Roman out of Baltimore.
Who's on such wonderful things, Not just there as an offensive corner, every going all the way back to his time in Buffalo.
When did a great job with Tyrod Taylor in his Pro Bowl season? Certainly you see some correlations in style of play to a Daniel Jones, but ultimately they go with the charge.
Now there's a couple of different things right.
The first thing that comes out after it's announced they're going to be hiring Jo judge feels like it's, you know, you could look at it. A single.
It's a bit of a panic move from the New York football Giants because you hear now that Matt Rule is gonna be going down to Carolina.
But first report comes out that this these conversations were happening since last night with Joe Judge, and maybe that feels like it's a spin from the Giants PR department.
But then Jordan, run on, comes out today earlier today and also says that last night the Giants reached out to a Matt Rhule toe.
Let him know that Joe Judge was in serious consideration for the head coaching position that that influenced Matt Rule in his decision to take the job in Carolina.
The other element of it is, and not that the money of it matter necessarily.
But you're talking about a team in the Giants that is going to be paying Pat Shurmur certainly, and then yells that they have the $10 million buyout from Baylor and then on top of that, putting in position a spot where you're gonna have Matt Rhule head coaching contract here.
7 $60 million deal over seven years.
Now, if you need to get out from under, you could.
There's no salary cap out of those things as we highlight, so I don't know if you necessarily want to feel like that's a concern that the Giants should be willing to acknowledge in these scenarios.
But, you know, my initial take on it is that when you look at what around the NFL, sometimes these re treads feel like their mistakes that get made by teams around the NFL, depending on the situation that you're franchises in.
I thought that Ron Rivera, right, for the Washington Redskins, a team that you know we talk about the Giants have been certainly disarray.
Washington has been a long time without really success.
I know they had that one playoff look there a few years ago, but you know, this is a team that has been disarrayed, is looking to reform the fenders.
I don't like us, but they go ahead with what feels like a stabilizing option you bring in approving coach and Ron Rivera.
He brings in Jack Del Rio on the defense's side of the ball.
So you feel like these air familiar names.
They're gonna come in and you feel like they're quantifiable things within these head coaches and the coordinators that are going to equal stability over the next handful of seasons.
Do you feel like, necessarily that these are the head coach's head coach, Ron Rivera? That's gonna win you a Super Bowl in Washington? Maybe not, But it's more important at this stage to get yourself back to even keel.
And that would have been, say, hiring in Mike McCarthy for the New York Giants.
You bring in a guy like Mike McCarthy, he's gonna get you back to even keel.
Gonna get you back and get into some playoff games and over the next year or two get you more into a competitive space.
Is he going to be the guy that wins you a Super Bowl? Maybe not, but he's gonna offer you stability in the franchise.
I think the way that I look at this is there's a couple of things you want to go negative on it.
You decide to fire Pat Shurmur.
You need to move on from Dave Gettleman.
At that point, because you wonder just if it had any role.
But the GM was there.
And if that deterred or impacted any of these potential coaching hires from County New York, football giants, you know, for I think you can say for a fact that if the Giants wanted toe hire Mike McCarthy, he wasn't going to do it with did get him in there because he wants to have control over those maneuvers.
You know, inside personnel decisions and things like that.
Now, whether or not Gettleman was there and said, I won't be an issue You can understand how you don't want to get into that type of environment.
If you're Mike McCarthy as he's talked about, you hurled the stories that he has.
His all is coaching saturated to go.
He's been revealing his tape, and I think certainly you look down there in Dallas and think this is a team that's probably closer to a win.
Now, mood out of any of these teams in the NFC is maybe even including.
Philadelphia has to retool some things and obviously has their concerns centered around other quarterback.
Unfortunately, Carson Wentz, who has those injury bugs So you know That's the element there when it comes to a guy like Michael Carr C.
And this is a thing where I have defended Dave Gettleman at times a little bit, I think he's made some good moves.
Had some missus had some head scratchers Wonder Williams trade? You know, things like that certainly come up and you wonder about them.
But now the concern is you had to kind of go either way.
And the way I look at this higher when you talk about Joe Judge is that now, over the next couple of seasons, you could potentially see him grows.
Or the rumors about the Giants looking to interview Jason Garrett for the offensive coordinator position.
I wasn't necessarily excited about him as a head coaching candidate.
But if you put him in with sole focus on the offensive side of the ball, a former quarterback, former backup quarterback for the New York football Giants has some ties there.
Certainly, you feel like he could do a lot of good for Daniel Jones, and if that's his sole focus, then you wonder who they're gonna bring on the defensive side of the ball.
You develop a nice coaching staff around.
And if for some reason over the next two seasons, it's a total disaster, the new conglomerate up everything soup to Nuts, including Dave Gettleman, even if it goes well over the next two or three seasons.
Dave Gettleman not you know, the youngest GM in the world, so you don't necessarily dissipate that he's going to be there long term.
So what? How I approach is if you want to go positive and really, I think it's a reasonable perspective.
Tohave is that you bring in Joe Judge.
You're gonna surround him with quality coaching staff around and help him learn on the job a little bit.
He give me the manager of the team and rely on your coordinators to take care of the offensive and defensive play calling.
And then as some of these guys move on, if it was Jason Garrett comes in this year, maybe that gets him back on Ah, head coaching ticket next season or two years down the road.
Ah, guy like Wade Phillips has been thrown out there on the defense's side of the ball.
Veteran defensive coordinator.
Bring stability back to it.
Bring in ah Young, assistant coordinator underneath and that can learn and then get promoted from within.
So I really do feel like this is the type of move that makes a lot of sense for the New York football Giants.
You're taking a chance on a guy who can come in and be a team player, personality manager for this squad.
And if it works out then down the road when get home in time for getting a move on Joe Judge can be involved in who you want the next GM to be.
And maybe, and I'm not saying this is a foregone conclusion or something you should be banking on.
But maybe he develops into not from a championship standpoint, but just in terms of influence and input on personnel and organizational decisions like Bill Belichick has developed with the New England Patriots.
And maybe that's what you can try to build a 38 year old guy.
He's been around with that organization special teams coordinator, wide receiver coach this past year.
Listen, there's there's no reason to necessarily trust the mayor's in the tissues and some of the decisions that they've made.
I didn't love firing the head coach and keeping the GM I'm more of a part of.
If you're gonna keep the g m.
You might as well have kept Pat Shurmur certainly and written it after one more year and then clean house completely.
But that being said, I think this is an opportunity for the New York Giants to take a chance on a guy that they like that from afar, they believe, has some of the some of the tools to help lead this team going forward.
They liked him in the interview process, and if you believe the report from Jordan run on, it means that they reached out to ruling, said, Listen, maybe where we were surprised by what Jo Jo judged it for us in the interview process.
And rather than be locked in to this name that's been associated with us when you talk about Amat rule coming out of Baylor, his dream job New York football giants, all of a sudden you go through his Internet interview process and through that Joe judge impresses you, and you think about what he could mean for the organization in the long term.
And so all we can do really right now is wait and see type of moves that get made in the off season and how things kind of get dictated out.
You'll kind of Noah's well, how much influence or, ah, voice that Joe Judge has leaves early on in his 10 year when you go and you see what players get moved on from in the off season, some of the guys that maybe have come in relatively recently underneath the Dave Gettleman regime.
Some of those moves may be made, and it could be dictated by the idea that Joe judges saying, Here's some of the pieces that I think I want And then also, even in the coaching hires as well.
Did you see him reach inside of the Patriot organization for a couple of guys that maybe he likes and wants to see brought over here? Or does the sum of the voices from above the mayor's and tissues say we like Jason Garrett? Are we likely fell where the case, Maybe so, be interesting to see how much influence and control the organization has over the head coach and whether or not they truly are trying to turn over that full new leaf here and move themselves in a different direction where they give that head coach some or organizational input.
And that could be something that Joe Judge grows into.
And maybe it won't be what you see initially out of this, but, ah, I overall, in taking this as a positive from New York football giants, I'd rather than go this route, then maybe go with the mic McCarthy's of the world.
I certainly didn't want to see necessarily Jason Garrett coming as a head coach and even Matt Rule, and this isn't a knock on him or because he didn't sign, it didn't kind of being in giant head coach.
I would have been excited if he was the head coach, because it means that they're giant taking a chance on a college guy.
But you also don't know what he's going to be in Carolina.
Only time's gonna tell that.
And maybe in terms of blending some of the old and new philosophy, the Giants looked at Joe Judge and said, Well, he is a guy that's been with premier organizations in the NFL.
He's been here in the NFL for number of seasons and maybe that checked another box for the Giants that they felt like they needed to before they could sign off on bringing in a guy.
And all things being equal, I don't know if the Giants were looking to give a six year, a seven year, $60 million deal to Matt Rule.
They may have wanted to bring him in, but do they want to offer him that type of long term initial contract? Who knows, You know, they had a lot of turnover.
I know they want to have stability, and we'll find out once everything.
It's finalized what we hear in terms of Joe Judge contract and what type of lock and he has.
Remember, the Giants are gonna be paying Pat Shurmur.
That's not the end all be all here.
But it is the reality that a giant have rotated through a number of coaches.
So again, I assume that this is about taking a look at a young guy that you feel like can lead the organization forward and helping to groom him, even let him learn on the job a little bit surrounded with quality minds around him.
Let Dave Gettleman help him out.
I know he's taking a little bit of a beating there in the press, certainly, but the reality is you has been around the NFL a long time.
I think he has a ton of knowledge that can Part two.
And hopefully over the next year or two, you see that and then moving forward, you hopefully have have him grow into a bigger role with the organization, and that allows him to have a long tenure.
We want this to be the next head coach, the New York football Giants over the next 10 years.
So, um, on Lee, Time's gonna tell.
But I can't take this incomplete at this point cause you don't know what he's going to be.
But I'm cautiously optimistic that this can be a head coach that leads The Giant's going forward and obviously, is he fills out his coaching staff roster.
You could start to get a better sense of what the expectations are.
You know, the Giants have that big fourth overall pick in the upcoming draft.
What will they look to do with it? Are they gonna go for the available offensive tackle? If he's out there, will they look to pivot and maybe drop down in the draft if that opportunity is presented to them and build up some more assets.
So a lot of things, we're gonna be on the table as we work our way through the offseason.
But the initial takeaway is that the Giants, at least quickly when matter was signed by Carolina, they switched gears, went to the guy that they wanted the next.
The next guy that was on their list, whatever the hierarchy was committed to him quickly got in there quickly.
So you will avoid what happened.
Maybe with Pat Shurmur, where when they went back and forth, waffled around, didn't get who they want unnecessarily right away, and then took a long time to name Sherman the head coach.
And he kind of ended up with some of the secondary assistant coaches around the league in terms of filling out his coaching staff.
So you make the decision quickly.
Now, Joe Judge or the organization.
Collectively, I can name who they wanna have brought in there from the from the coordinator standpoints and hit the ground running and start to turn over this regime and get into a better situation.
We will go ahead and step out of here on this for now.
I'm gonna come back in probably multiple times throughout the rest of the week here as more news and notes come out, I believe the press conference is probably set for tomorrow.
So once that comes through, we'll come in with what we take aways we have from Joe Judge in that regard.
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It looks like there's an opportunity for some more information, maybe some his offense or decent defensive side of the ball instead of the hires that Joe Judge will look to make to fill out his coaching staff.
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