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00:00:02
L A Lakers nation.
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Trevor lain here for Lakers nation dot com And this is the Lakers Nation postgame show and podcast.
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Today we're breaking down the Lakers unfortunate loss to the Denver Nuggets.
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Won 28 to 10 for wasn't really close in the second half.
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Thought the Lakers did come out with some energy in the first half.
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But you know what? No LeBron James, That's gonna be a problem for the Lakers that we guess that coming in, that it was gonna be a challenge not having LeBron out there, and it certainly was.
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And this one will break it all down.
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It wasn't all bad, though.
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We saw some high points as well.
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We'll talk all about it.
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How are you doing? I'm in Canada.
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I'm cold, but I'm at my parentshouse.
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My mom does a great job decorating.
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Not like my crummy little apartment I live in back in l. A.
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So that's why you're seeing all the decorations here find.
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It's looking good.
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Looking good.
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Looks very, very festively, very cheerful, probably a little bit more cheerful than most Lakers fans are right now.
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The live chat is open, by the way, in one of the first comments that came up, though, that might make us feel a little bit better.
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Is Ah, the Clippers lost? Yeah, yeah, at least at least we've got that.
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But this was not a pretty game from for the Lakers, but we knew we knew going into this Jazz No LeBron James Lakers.
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We're gonna have a problem.
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They're offensive, has struggled.
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It's been bad when LeBron James is off the floor there minus 0.
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6 in net rating when LeBron is off the floor compared to a positive 10 plus when he is on the floor.
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So we knew it was gonna be a bit of a challenge, and it certainly was the Denver Nuggets.
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They took advantage, didn't they? Well, you know, it is kind of like some of the games we've seen earlier in the season with the Lakers in terms of, um I think we're looking at it like some of the games.
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You've seen them play like I'm not gonna say.
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The Lakers obviously fully loaded.
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They better team than me.
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The Nuggets are, but we saw some games earlier in the season that we were looking at.
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Okay, if the Lakers are gonna eventually pull away, like, you know, we said this against the Hawks.
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We said this against teams like the Hornets, where you were kind of looking at it like, Okay, give it till the third quarter and then once you get to the third quarter, the Lakers will pull away.
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I felt like that coming into this game.
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As soon as we knew LeBron was out, we were texting about it.
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We're like it's in and take a superhuman effort.
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They're Manti Davis in order for them to win 40 to 50 points.
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Uh, I think he did his part, but I mean, once the Nuggets got gold in the third quarter of one of the big run, you kind of felt like All right, this is the beginning of the end for the Lakers on this one. Yeah.
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I mean, really not having that that other star out there, not having LeBron James.
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It just means the margin of error is non existent.
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Essentially, you can't do some of the things that the Lakers did tonight and still expect to win.
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You can't make mistakes and be the team like the Denver Nuggets.
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Like the Lakers.
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Without LeBron, you go beat the Warriors, you go beat the Hawks like you mentioned.
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You can beat some of these other teams, but the Denver Nuggets are too good to go out there and beat if you're going to make some of those steaks that the Lakers did, and that includes some poor shooting, and that's something that we've been talking about quite a bit recently.
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They ended up shooting 40% 7% from the field, which is fine and 34% from three.
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But a lot of those came after the game was already decided.
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Most of their poor shooting was happening through the 1st 3/4 of the game, and the game was kind of over once they started actually making shots.
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Are you worried about the Lakers shooting long term at this point, That's a big question I've been getting from a lot of fans.
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Yeah, we were talking about it.
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I think it was the middle of last week that we were like, Oh, there.
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There are about a week and 1/2 ago that they're sitting in fifth in the league in three point percentage, and we're so remember we're talking about that.
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We're like, what are you know, we were looking a bit stats? Yeah, they're actually, but they've dropped down a lot now as well.
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I do think it's a concern war.
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So coming off the bench, they do need to find some guys who can consistently be able to hit the long bomb, including guys that Kyle Cruise.
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But you're hoping he gets going from out there.
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I think Jared Dudley brings that again.
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You can't put Jared only on the floor that much.
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And Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels aren't very consistent, so I think it is gonna be a It is a concern for them going forward on the second unit.
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I think they've got enough in the first unit with, uh, with having Danny Green out there on obviously element.
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LeBron James not great, but not a bad three point shooter.
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Yeah, that is something that has reared its ugly head over the last few games.
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Yeah, the poor shooting.
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We talked about this on the podcast last night that I did.
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Where the Lakers over the last five games during the road trip there were 28th in the n B A in three point shooting.
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That's not going to get it done.
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That's the kind of thing that can absolutely torpedo your chances of winning a game.
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And in this case, when you don't have LeBron, you've got to be hot from the field.
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The Lakers just they weren't they weren't hitting shots despite some really nice effort.
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I think we saw some great effort from them in the first half.
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Second half the Nuggets got rolling and it was just clear.
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The Lakers And we haven't seen this yet this season.
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One game where the Lakers just didn't have the talent then that's that's really what it comes down to.
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The Lakers weren't as talented of a team tonight as the Denver Nuggets, and so consequently they lost.
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They couldn't hit shots and they couldn't get the stops that they needed, especially in the second half, and that caused them to lose this game in a blow on fashion.
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So, hopefully, LeBron James will get healthy and get healthy fast.
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Not easy to replace him, But we should say, you know, they haven't played without him yet.
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And to be thrown in there against the Denver Nuggets and say, Hey, guess what? Now you've got to figure out life without LeBron.
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That's That's a tall task to begin with, you know, like you can get away with doing that against some weaker teams.
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But against the Nuggets, that's a tough ask.
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Well, you're right, man.
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Remember that Indiana game when they were playing with 80 on Tuesday? And it's a three point game at 80 is very important to the Lakers success.
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But, uh, I think LeBron in terms of offensively, it's just a whole nother beast.
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And when she knew he wasn't gonna play, we've seen how bad the team has struggled When he isn't on the court, even when he is healthy, he just getting arrested.
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He's playing 35 minutes a night, but when you're looking at that age, that game against Indiana, you still felt like a.
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They've got LeBron and he's able to control the pace and and kind of run things on the offense.
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But today it was like, Who the hell is going to be able to do this other than Anthony Davis and and that's where we're at.
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And that's one thing.
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You know what? We're texting during the game a bit, too, and I don't know.
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People have asked you about it, but I saw your tweet about it as well.
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Frank Vogel.
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Today was the first time I was yelling at the TV like, What are you doing up for sure, And why is 80 over 20 point game he's already limping around? Ankle injuries might be a need problem right now to get him off the court in a 20 point game.
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They had no business being on the court had no chance of coming back at that point.
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Yeah, this is the first time, like you said first time where we've been frustrated with what we saw from Frank Vogel and again, he's done a tremendous job this season, but I and I'm curious to see what he says in the postgame.
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I'm sure he'll address it I'm sure the question is going to be asked to him about why Anthony Davis was still out there, because it wasn't just fans that were tweeting out.
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Get Anthony Davis off the floor.
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There were media members.
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They were saying the same thing, not understanding why why Anthony Davis was out there.
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It didn't really make sense.
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The Lakers were down to the game, was clearly over.
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He was banged up that play with his knee, did not look good.
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His foot slid out from under him.
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The leg kind of buckled.
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That's that's kind of scary.
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He was grimacing on the bench when the training staff was looking at him.
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Maybe, and this is just me kind of speculating here.
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But maybe the training staff told him.
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He's totally fine, just a little bit sore.
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You can go ahead and play him, but even so, given what they've got coming up, you've got a big matchup against the Clippers on Christmas Day.
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You've already got LeBron James hurt.
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Why on earth would you have Anthony Davis on the floor that's playing with fire? To me, that was the biggest mistake of the season so far from Frank Vogel yo.
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Yeah, man.
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And you're looking at, you know, looking at the fact that 30 games and now, uh, I feel like I've had this good to start, as you could've expected at 24 6 but they only have a three game lead on the Nuggets.
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The three and 1/2 up on Houston.
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And we talked about the importance of trying to blow out some of these teams.
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So these guys do get a little bit of arrests.
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So it's gonna be interesting to see how he handles that.
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Because if they are knocked up, if a D does get a little bit sore and LeBron has to miss, you know, another couple of games, they're gonna they're gonna be in some trouble in the standings in terms of holding onto the top spot in the conference.
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And we kind of talked about the fact that well, you know, now we know the Western Conference.
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Probably about 45 teams that are contenders.
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Where Utah.
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You could You could throw it there.
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I don't think it seems like Okay, see a port and might want to run as well once you get there.
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Guys really healthy, but to me.
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The Lakers now are going to start losing some of that ground that they had gained by having that great start.
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So Frank Vogel is gonna have to figure things out in terms of if these guys are gonna miss you a game or two.
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Or they need some load management how they're gonna handle that? Because I just didn't like what I saw from him as a coach, which is the first time I will say that We're saying at game 30 so obviously he's done a pretty **** good job.
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Yeah, Yeah.
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I mean, that's the thing here, right? Big picture, you're looking.
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They have six losses on the season.
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It's been a good season. So far.
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They've done some really good things.
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Frank Vogel, I think has done an excellent job overall, if we're in Game 30 and this is the first thing we can point to where we can go Look, this was not right.
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He really messed up here.
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That's probably a good good thing, you know, But it isn't pretty.
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Look, like maybe you got hurt.
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That could be the season right there, Right? Like we have gotten seriously injure.
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If there was a serious injury because of him still playing.
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That's that's too big of a risk to take.
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And I'm hopeful that that something is going to get addressed in the postgame here because I really am curious to see what what Vogel was thinking, why he still had amount there.
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I think there had to be.
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There had to be some reason for.
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It may be something that we're not thinking of because from the outside perspective, it did not make any sense whatsoever.
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No, I mean, you could see that the team, I don't want to say they gave up in the complete sense, but you could tell they were they were down and they were like, We're gonna win this game And it was over and they were down by 20 early in the early in the fourth and they were down 20 with about five minutes.
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I think I left.
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It was left in the game.
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And then finally, for just over four minutes, Vogel finally decided to take a moment.
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So that was concerning to me, too.
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Some of the other things I want to touch on two minutes, you look at the way they played today.
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18 assists, 19 turnovers.
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Not gonna not gonna win many games like that.
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That should show you how important LeBron James is to this team.
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Because if he plays, they get a hell of a lot more than 10 18 assists as well.
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Yeah, I mean, and look, here's the Here's the thing, though.
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And this is why I almost kind of put a little asterisk by those 1919 turnovers.
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They're not used to playing without LeBron.
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They are.
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They're used to LeBron running the show, so I would expect it to be sloppy.
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I would expect there'd be turnovers when suddenly you're putting guys into a new role.
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And when that role is lead ball handler, when you're asking Rondo to run the show against starters, not against bench players.
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When you're asking guys like Caruso to suddenly run the entire offense when nobody else has been doing that.
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Besides LeBron for the majority of games for the entire season, I kind of expect there to be turnovers in for it to be ugly.
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So, like, yes, they had 19 turnovers.
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Yes, that's bad, but I would assume that if they played the entire season without LeBron, those turnovers would go down.
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A lot of that is just the newness of not being used to doing that being pushed into that new rule.
00:10:42
Well, who would you? I mean, I know they went with Rondo kind of out there at first.
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But what other options do they have at this point? I thought, Yeah, that's the problem.
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And we've talked about the fact that now that the trade window is open to the majority, the guys who who signed over the summer are now available as of December 15th basically a week ago today.
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But you look at you, look at the bio mark it like they do need some help on the perimeter and especially in terms of ball handling.
00:11:05
Because LeBron, who has been very, very reliable, let's, you know, let's not fit here.
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Incidents have been a problem for him, and he's turning 35 coming up in just over a week air.
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Um, if he misses a game or two, he slows down a little bit in the playoffs or he gets in foul trouble.
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Where the hell is the offense going to come from? And that's what my concern is, right now and I think this this game and I mean, I thought they held up pretty well against Milwaukee and they did a **** good job in Indiana as well without a D.
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But I think this game shows just how important LeBron is to the squad, where you're basically saying without him, I don't know if this is Ah, this is not a top five team in the West world.
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You think that we finish it? LeBron, who isn't on this roster without him? Uh, 7878 seed something.
00:11:47
Something like that.
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Look. And here's the thing, though.
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Like, if we knew that LeBron was it on the roster from day one, this wouldn't be the roster, right? This This is a team built around LeBron James and built around LeBron and Anthony Davis.
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So you can't expect them to go out there and operate at a high level of able to do a bunch of a bunch of things when they're built to play off of LeBron James and knock down open shots.
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And that's a whole other conversation, not knocking down open shots.
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But the point is still is still valid that they don't really have anybody off the bench that can do the things that they need.
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Some need a ball handler to do.
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Rondo holds it too much.
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Can't be a reliable option as a as a starter.
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He's not a guy that you can throw in there in a pinch and expect things to to run, okay? And I get it.
00:12:31
29 30 teams in the N B A.
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Can't replace a LeBron James, right? You can't do that.
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It's not gonna happen.
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But you still need to have somebody out there who can at least competently run the team.
00:12:43
And I don't know that the Lakers have that right now.
00:12:46
I think Rhonda was has been find this season playing against reserves.
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Playing get starters is a whole different ballgame.
00:12:53
So, uh, that's gonna be the challenge for Rob Pelinka.
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This, uh, this trade deadline.
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He doesn't really have many assets that you can part with, and he's got some holes he's gonna need to fill, so we'll see what he can get done.
00:13:04
But But it's not gonna be easy for him.
00:13:06
No, I mean, and that's the thing that we're looking at.
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The bio market and bio market typically for guys were 35 36 at the end of their career.
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Their games are No.
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Let's be honest.
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We're not gonna sit here and act like, Oh, it's so easy to replace LeBron James And why can't you know what I mean? Wait for Taelon Horn Tucker.
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Just go be LeBron.
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That's Rostov Lebron, That's it.
00:13:26
That's all we need you to. That was the narrative.
00:13:28
We're looking for the guy.
00:13:29
Go ahead.
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No, I mean, we know how difficult it is.
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I just think that they need to have someone who is Maura of, ah, Creator.
00:13:36
Not in the forecast.
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I think Rondo does a good job of running an offense, you know what I mean? He did a good job of kind of telling guys were to go and running the system, but at the same time, they need someone who could bring a skill set again.
00:13:48
Not gonna come close to LeBron because it's not that there's nobody else out there who could do that, but someone who is able to kind of not run the offense the way Rondo does, but also able to either create some points for himself and be able to find open teammates and and be a consistent right now whether that someone you need for 10 15 minutes a game, that's all you're looking for.
00:14:05
But just somebody of that skill set that is available, then you're right.
00:14:09
That's gonna be a challenge for ah, for Rob Plant Going for it also just updates on Twitter.
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Frank will go on eighties.
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Right now. This is from Bill, Room of the athletic.
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He tweeted and this is a direct quote.
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He tweaked it and he felt good enough to go back in the game.
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I didn't feel like he looked limited.
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What do you think of that? I think that then that means that he just didn't He didn't see him then because because he he looked limited.
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He lived, you know, like he looked extremely limited.
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But, uh what what is tweaked? It mean, we'll see.
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Maybe they haven't.
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I'm looking at what you're seeing to nothing about having an m r I or anything like that.
00:14:41
But he was He was very clearly limping around on the floor, so I don't know.
00:14:46
Was Vogel just not watching him? Not seeing what was going on was no one on the coaching staff, saying, Hey, look, 80 is hurt.
00:14:53
We need to get him out.
00:14:55
I don't know.
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I don't know what the call was.
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That answer in and of itself doesn't give us enough information.
00:15:00
Um, we do know that he felt good enough to go back in, so Edie gave himself the green light.
00:15:05
But here's the thing.
00:15:06
What we've learned about Anthony Davis so far is that you can't trust him.
00:15:10
Anthony Davis will send him, so he's gotten better about this, but he will go crashing to the floor.
00:15:15
He will go 100 miles an hour, no matter what the situation is.
00:15:18
And again, he's gotten a little bit better.
00:15:20
But I still don't feel like he's gonna be completely truthful when it comes to Are you able to play or should you take it easy, right? Like I I feel like LeBron would.
00:15:30
Ted would say, I'm a little bit banged up.
00:15:32
Probably better toe to kind of take the foot off the gas pedal and rest a little bit.
00:15:36
I don't know if Anthony Davis will do that, and I don't know if it's ah if it's just ah, you know, I want to be macho and manly, and I want to get out there and play all the time or if it's just not understanding what his body is telling him or anything.
00:15:47
But I don't think that you could just take Anthony Davis.
00:15:50
Davis is word for it when he says, No, I'm good.
00:15:53
I think your training staff needs to tell.
00:15:54
You know, he's not.
00:15:56
Look at the way he's limping.
00:15:57
Get him out.
00:15:58
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
00:15:59
And I mean 80 need to look at it.
00:16:01
Maura again in a situational basis.
00:16:02
To write like this is a game in in late December against the team, but that that is right behind you and kind of nipping at her heels in terms of understandings.
00:16:10
But you're down 20 and the coach has to see that.
00:16:13
And these guys are professional athletes, so they want to be out there that want to be playing in these games.
00:16:17
Then they wanna play as many minutes as they can, because but that's just how they're they're they're born and bred.
00:16:22
But then you look at Frank Vogel.
00:16:23
I mean, let's be honest.
00:16:24
What game is he watching today that he can sit there and say that he looked fine to me.
00:16:28
Didn't look fine.
00:16:29
Tell us you know what I mean? Yeah, I think anybody who was watching that game could look and say, All right, he's banged up. He's limping.
00:16:34
He probably shouldn't be on the court.
00:16:35
So Frank Vogel needs to be a little bit more, sort of, because he's the guy who could tell the tell JaVale McGee or Dwight Howard get in there for this guy.
00:16:42
So he needs to start doing that a little bit more because I like you like you mentioned on.
00:16:46
We've talked about this quite a quite a bit on the show with this team.
00:16:48
We're not looking.
00:16:49
We're not looking at how this team finishes the regular season you're looking at at the at the long term goal of being a champion right now, that that that's what they have to build words in it.
00:16:57
If Anthony Davis is being stubborn about it, well, Frank, Well, where you gonna put your foot down and say No, man, it's time for you to get off the court because we have bigger aspirations and been winning a game on December 22nd.
00:17:05
Yep, Yeah, as a coach, that's your job.
00:17:07
That's your job as a coach is to tell the guy.
00:17:10
No, you need to be over here on the side and this is why so and again.
00:17:15
E, I don't want to come off as is too critical of Frank because he's done a great job. Great job.
00:17:21
But that's this has been tonight.
00:17:23
This was a problem.
00:17:24
I've got a few people throwing out names, So when we talk about, we're talking about how they need somebody who can run the offense.
00:17:30
The name the cop kept popping up in my head was Derrick Rose.
00:17:33
You need like a Derrick Rose type player, somebody who can score while running an offense a little bit.
00:17:38
Somebody who can be useful off the bench when LeBron is there, but can kind of take over the show when he's not there.
00:17:43
Another name that people are thrown out.
00:17:45
There's Dennis Schroder.
00:17:46
Yeah, that's another guy.
00:17:47
That would be interesting, kind of, but a scoring combo guard player that that's the type of guy like a Lou Williams type.
00:17:55
That's the one we've been talking about a CZ well as a wing defender.
00:17:57
I think you need those two things, and then, uh, and then you need everybody.
00:18:01
Everybody healthy.
00:18:02
So we need Anthony Davis not to be hurt.
00:18:04
If you get those pieces, I think the Lakers would be in really, really good shape.
00:18:07
But I think tonight we really saw the holes in in the way this roster has been put together.
00:18:13
Yeah, and and I think the tougher the competition gets going again.
00:18:16
I've said this Lakers haven't lost a team with a losing record so far throughout the entire season.
00:18:21
So they able to kind of mask some of the deficiency that might have in the roster.
00:18:25
Yeah, I think we've seen that happen quite a few times, but yeah, you're right.
00:18:28
I mean, you're looking at this.
00:18:29
This was a game where they needed 82 score close to 40 and somebody else and chipping or 20 to 25.
00:18:35
We talked about him a lot, and he didn't look decent today, Karl Kruse minute, 16 points and and a little bit more aggressive.
00:18:40
And I liked what he was going to the hoop.
00:18:41
But then didn't he needs someone like that like you mentioned like a dentist, or they're not gonna be easy to find because guys like Shooter, if their teams air in the playoff race, they're not giving up on him.
00:18:49
So I got like Derrick Rose, I think would be perfect.
00:18:51
But again, what type of assets do you have to get him unless he bought out? Exactly.
00:18:55
Exactly.
00:18:56
That's gonna be the challenge for up Lincoln because you don't have those words.
00:18:58
Look, New Orleans did a great job of not just negotiating the trade but making sure that the Lakers would have a really hard time improving their team.
00:19:06
After getting Anthony Davis, you make it the way that trade was structured.
00:19:09
It was set up specifically to make sure the Lakers would not have trade assets moving forward.
00:19:14
And, uh, and that's that's the the hurdle that Rob Blake is gonna have to overcome.
00:19:19
But you did mention Kyle Kuzma and I do want to get into him.
00:19:22
But I don't want to be super doom and gloom here, right? I mean, it's It's the holidays, right? We should be.
00:19:26
We should be careful in everything.
00:19:27
But what I thought the the the best thing about tonight's game was Kyle Kuzma, and he was a minus 16 on the night he shot seven of 15 1 of four from from from three.
00:19:40
Those are all kind of whole home things, right? Four boards.
00:19:42
He did have to block 16 points.
00:19:44
It was more the way he looked.
00:19:46
He had that bounce again.
00:19:48
He looked like he was spring.
00:19:49
He looked like he was his old self.
00:19:52
He didn't look like he was laboring at all or anything like that.
00:19:55
He showed off the soft touch around the room a few times.
00:19:58
This was the Kyle Kuzma that we've been looking to see and know wasn't a perfect performance by any means, But he finally looked healthy again.
00:20:05
He looked right.
00:20:06
I think he I think tonight well, that wasn't his best.
00:20:09
It was a reminder of what he can be.
00:20:11
See, I'm gonna go in the opposite end of this because we remember that we remember that streak in in November.
00:20:17
Get that week where he was putting up 2020 and then Yet I think there's a 15 or 13 point game in a 17 point game in that stretch, and we're like, Okay, he's back.
00:20:25
You got it.
00:20:26
You know what I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off until we see him do it for a while and I'm gonna hold off until we see him do it with LeBron on the court as well, because to me, I agree with you in terms of health wise.
00:20:35
He did look a lot bounce here.
00:20:36
You look a little bit more to his game.
00:20:38
But he also had more free rein out there knowing that LeBron, he doesn't LeBron doesn't have the ball in his hands all the time when he's on the court with him.
00:20:45
And so in this type of game, it was good to see and be aggressive.
00:20:48
It was good to see him get some buckets.
00:20:49
But I do want to wait and see in terms of getting people to do this.
00:20:52
Now, for a month straight, where the guy that we were expecting, who's gonna be able to consistently put in 16 17 18 points a game, which we've seen flashes up.
00:21:00
But I'm hoping that the ankle injuries is behind him, obviously for the betterment of the team.
00:21:04
But I'm just I'm gonna pump the brakes a little bit and say All right, you look better, but I don't want to get all happy about it.
00:21:08
Say he's back toe, okay? I mean, just just physically he loses.
00:21:12
You look better than what we've seen in weeks, right? He did.
00:21:17
But But you're right, though.
00:21:18
You're right.
00:21:19
There are some concerns about can he fit into this offense? He did look lost a few times.
00:21:23
But overall, if you want to describe a an ideal comeback game for Kong Qiu's MMA, I think what we saw tonight from him anyway wasn't far off from what the ideal return game would look like.
00:21:37
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know, I grew up on that.
00:21:39
I mean, this is Who's that? What we're expecting to see who's do all the time.
00:21:42
You know what I'm saying? So And if he's able to do that consistently, I think that's a huge win for the Lakers.
00:21:47
Going forward? Yeah, and look, if you get Kyle Kuzma back at 100% or at least 95% of whatever he's out at this point, that gives you that nice insurance coming off the bench that you've got somebody who can come in and score the basketball.
00:21:59
That's something the Lakers have needed.
00:22:00
And speaking of insurance, that look, that's right there.
00:22:04
I'm like that with a troop of two.
00:22:06
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00:22:07
That's right.
00:22:08
That was gonna complicate a couple myself on that one.
00:22:11
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00:22:14
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00:22:17
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Okay, So speaking of insurance, jazz, if you were to add anyone to this Lakers team, if you were to go out there and find someone on the bio market, if you were to find someone in trade that you would have that would make you feel a little bit better about this team's title chances give you a little bit of insurance.
00:23:35
What type of player do you think the Lakers should be looking for, who, after today's game awards on a different kinds of ways, go down the laundry list of that? But I mean, after today before this, I think we're on the same page and and and we looked at it and said, OK, these guys need to get a three indie guy, right? Somebody could hit some threes for them and and contribute defensively and be a good defender After today.
00:23:58
I do think it's important to get another guy who can create, and I think they had high hopes for Rondo.
00:24:03
We don't talk about them, you know, kind of bringing him in.
00:24:05
I don't think he's been terrible this year at also diminishing him.
00:24:08
I just think again his skill set with that second unit.
00:24:11
They haven't been able to find consistency there in terms of like you mentioned a guy like Derrick Rose.
00:24:14
I think you'd be the perfect fit in terms of usable to bring offensive.
00:24:18
He's not a great defender, but offensively he brings a lot to this team.
00:24:21
So after today, knowing that, we don't know if LeBron's gonna miss games in the future, we're gonna load management time.
00:24:27
I would say somebody who can create an enviable to facilitate the offense well being, also also having the capability of going off for 25 points.
00:24:34
You know, once every 15 20 games, whenever it happens, what about you? Yeah, agreed to somebody who could come in and score while still running, that offense would be ideal.
00:24:41
Let me tell you something, though.
00:24:42
I'm looking at.
00:24:43
I've been reading the comments here in the comment section, and people are not pleased with one player in particular.
00:24:50
And that guy, Danny Green.
00:24:53
Danny Green has come into the crosshairs now.
00:24:55
Now Lakers fans are not pleased with him.
00:24:58
At the moment, I've seen tons of comments about him from a number of different people on the night.
00:25:04
Danny Green, one of four shooting one of three from 32 or three of the line.
00:25:08
Five points, four boards, two assists.
00:25:12
Are you concerned about Danny Green? People are saying he's not worth $15 million as he played up to being worth $50 million so far this season.
00:25:21
I don't think so, but I mean again, he's a guy who you don't notice, and that's what any Cream does.
00:25:27
That's not always day.
00:25:28
That's even in his best season.
00:25:30
Last year is a Toronto rapture.
00:25:31
He was the you didn't notice that much.
00:25:33
That's Danny Green.
00:25:35
That's just yeah, that's a fair question from that.
00:25:38
People are asking that you know how much is he? Is he worth 15 million Bucks.
00:25:41
You look at his career numbers.
00:25:42
He's a nine point game by.
00:25:44
He's averaging 8.7 this season.
00:25:46
You know, I don't really know three point shooting down by being barely a percent and 1/2 roughly 2%.
00:25:51
Almost, um, so I don't think I don't know what were people expecting.
00:25:55
Like, I'll ask you, what do you think people were looking for from them in terms of 15 million bucks worth of Danny Greene? I mean, people are.
00:26:02
When you hear a $15 million year player, you expect somebody who can kind of create their own shot or can set up other guys to do something like that on the offensive end. Do something with some flash.
00:26:11
But that's not Danny Green.
00:26:12
And that's why I said heading into the season Jazz, That's the challenge for you.
00:26:15
And I is going to be shining a light on what makes Danny Green good on what makes him valuable.
00:26:21
Danny Green very much flies in the face of what most observers will see as valuable.
00:26:27
He's not a guy that you could give the ball to and run the offense.
00:26:30
He's not a guy that's going going to just provide tonnes of lock down defense.
00:26:33
He is a good defender, but he's not flying in from the weak side, providing these big, spectacular blocks.
00:26:38
He doesn't jump off the screen at you, but he does all the little things right.
00:26:43
And then when he is hitting a shot, when he is knocking down threes, he can provide floor spacing and he could do it in a very high level.
00:26:50
But again, so much of his value is tied to his three point shooting that if he's not shooting well, which he hasn't been recently, his value goes down a lot.
00:26:57
And so the 46% Danny Green that we shall we saw with the Toronto Raptors is way, way, way more valuable that the Daniel Green we've seen so far this season, especially a guy who shot one of four from three tonight.
00:27:08
He's also a guy where, like if you throw Danny Green on the Hawks on the Warriors, he's wasted right, he said.
00:27:16
He doesn't have value there.
00:27:18
He's valuable on a good team with guys who can create open looks and are going to draw attention because he's that guy that will knock down the open shots, and we've seen him step up in big games.
00:27:27
But overall, yeah, I get why it can be frustrating because you're looking at him and you're saying $15 million year, What's he doing? That's that's worth that.
00:27:35
It just takes a deeper dive to see where he's good.
00:27:38
I'm not saying he's $15 million a year good just yet, but his game is much more subtle.
00:27:45
Oh, you're right, man.
00:27:46
I mean, you put him on the Knicks and Danny Greene's probably still only scoring nine or 10 points a game.
00:27:50
It's not like he's a guy who's gonna go to a bad team and score and put up 15 20.
00:27:54
I get what people are frustrated with.
00:27:55
The amount that he's getting paid and what he didn't didn't do.
00:27:58
But at the same time, I mean, where were you you receiving? Put the ball on the floor and it hasn't been pretty either.
00:28:03
You know what I mean? So unless he's and you don't want to get, you know, shooting pull up threes from from beyond the arc in and trying to do that, that's just not his strong suit.
00:28:10
I think you hit the nail on the head perfectly that you know what he brings to the table is on a good team.
00:28:15
He's a valuable piece.
00:28:17
Now.
00:28:18
We consider and argue about the $50 million salary that seemed to be the going rate this summer for guys of his, you know, similar skill set.
00:28:23
Um, but I agree.
00:28:25
I don't think he's been as consistent again.
00:28:27
This is what it comes down to for a lot of the guys outside of LeBron and Anthony Davis is, Can they do this consistently? And you know, we had that big game against the Bucks.
00:28:34
Obviously had that huge game opening night where maybe you shouldn't have done that because I think we all started thinking like, Oh, ****, Danny Green would fit on this team better.
00:28:42
It has said that bar super high, Yeah, but I I agree with you.
00:28:48
I think that they I think I think some of those guys and again the brilliance of LeBron has massed.
00:28:53
A lot of what is the flaws are of this team, and when you don't see him out there tonight, a lot of those deficiencies become a little bit more amplified than than what you would see if LeBron was playing.
00:29:03
Yeah, very true. Very true.
00:29:05
Yeah, without LeBron, you're gonna notice a lot of those issues there.
00:29:09
I love that. By the way, in here in the chat.
00:29:11
Remember last year? So last year with the Lakers kept losing games, we had to be kind of the voice of reason.
00:29:16
We had to be the people kind of soothing everyone.
00:29:19
We've got people in the chat saying, Everybody relax, calm down.
00:29:23
We don't need no, no need to panic.
00:29:25
We're still a good team.
00:29:26
All of those things, it's It's kind of nice to see that it's not everybody freaking out and us coming along it saying It's saying everything's okay.
00:29:34
It's gonna be all right And then kind of being the what the therapy session or anything like that.
00:29:39
We've got people in the chat now that they're helping out with that effort.
00:29:43
Thank you.
00:29:44
Thank you to everyone that we know it's Christmas sale department.
00:29:45
A happy, festive mood.
00:29:46
They got the Christmas tree by baseball, right? You're probably seeing all that and getting all happy about it. But this is happening in April.
00:29:51
I'm sure all those government positive like that.
00:29:54
There's gonna be all kinds of angry.
00:29:56
Emoji is just let's let's move forward here.
00:29:59
All right, let's let's hope right now that Anthony Davis is okay because we already know LeBron's banged up.
00:30:05
He's got this, this Jurassic muscle injury, which, Yes, we all had to look up.
00:30:09
We had a little look up.
00:30:10
What a Jurassic muscle weighs, but Engine something is back.
00:30:14
We heard that it's actually kind of down around his rib, also a groin issue.
00:30:18
So we don't even know if LeBron's gonna play on Christmas.
00:30:22
Anthony Davis is now a little banged up the n ba like if Adam Silver had any hair left, you would be pulling it all out at this point.
00:30:28
Because if you look at that Christmas Day lineup, it's decimated.
00:30:32
It is a ghost town like the Warriors are on their the Raptors.
00:30:35
You actually had an amazing game tonight, but the Raptors are injury.
00:30:39
Are injury depleted.
00:30:40
You've got all of these teams that are missing major players due to injury.
00:30:44
If LeBron and or Anthony Davis are out, forget it.
00:30:49
The Christmas Day lineup is pretty shot for the NBA's right now, so they can't be too thrilled, But let's keep our fingers crossed.
00:30:56
Jazz.
00:30:57
And let's say that LeBron and Anthony Davis are playing on Christmas Day against the Clippers.
00:31:02
Let's preview that.
00:31:03
How do you see this game playing out? If the Lakers have all their pieces in place, I think it comes down to one thing.
00:31:09
And then And this is where the Lakers have beaten the good teams in the league and the teams that are the upper echelon teams like Denver before, like Utah before.
00:31:17
It's because they're getting contributions from the guys off the bench.
00:31:21
And so for me, I'm looking at I know the Clippers at not playing that great lately.
00:31:25
They're struggling, Mind you, they only they're only three games behind the Lakers, mind you in the standings, anyways in the top of the conference.
00:31:31
But on their resting guys like crazy on the executive and they're sitting off.
00:31:34
So I think they're gonna They're gonna get better and better as they go along.
00:31:37
But I do think it's gonna be very important for the Lakers to get a good game from a guy like KCP were you and buy a good game.
00:31:44
I mean, yeah, he's put in 10 12 13 points.
00:31:46
Hit the shots.
00:31:47
Danny Green hopefully hits three or 43 pointers that game.
00:31:50
So I mean, for me if the Lakers don't get contributions off from their bench guys and you're looking at some of the games where they struggled where they ended up with 18 to 24 25 points from the bench.
00:31:59
Guys, I think you're gonna see something similar to what happened in the opening game of the season.
00:32:03
Now, if the bench gets going and the Lakers can kind of control the pace and know that, okay, we're gonna get, you know, maybe 35 40 points from our our bench.
00:32:11
Guys, I think the Lakers win this game easily.
00:32:13
What are you thinking? It's gonna play out.
00:32:14
Yeah, I agree.
00:32:15
I think somebody else has to step up and I'm including Kyle Kuzma and that he's gonna have to make sure he steps up.
00:32:20
You need you need LeBron and 80 playing well.
00:32:24
And you need 20 points from somebody you need 20 from Cosmo, from whoever.
00:32:28
And then you need another 10 to 15 from another guy.
00:32:30
That's what I think you're gonna need in order to win this game.
00:32:33
Um, you need a few guys that have nice performances and I mean, look, I think this team is a better shooting team.
00:32:39
That what we've seen from them over the past week and 1/2 2 weeks.
00:32:42
I'm hoping that this is the game that the positive regression to the mean comes.
00:32:46
I'm hoping that this is the game, that they finally start clicking and we start to see those averages come back around, because that's what they're gonna need.
00:32:54
Now here's the thing.
00:32:55
In the first game, the way the Clippers won, that game is on the boards.
00:32:59
Okay? They sent multiple players to the boards, making sure the Lakers couldn't bully them inside.
00:33:05
We said going into the game right, that the Lakers, they were gonna win this game by being bigger, more physical, stronger in the paint.
00:33:12
Whereas the Clippers have the better perimeter defenders and the Clippers did everything they could to mitigate the Lakers ability to dominate inside by sending multiple players to the boards.
00:33:20
They got guys back.
00:33:22
They didn't worry so much about about crashing offensive boards.
00:33:25
They just their own offensive glass.
00:33:27
They just crashed the defense of boards, and it worked, and it worked.
00:33:30
They were able to kind of actually outrebound the Lakers, bully the Lakers a little bit inside, and that was an issue.
00:33:36
So I'm curious to see what the Lakers do to fix that, because again, I think this matchup still breaks down the same way.
00:33:41
Stylistically, the Clippers have the better perimeter players.
00:33:44
The Lakers have the better interviewer players.
00:33:46
Can they take advantage of that enough to mitigate what the Clippers could do on the perimeter? That's gonna be the battle here.
00:33:53
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:33:54
And And I think if if you're looking at this game, it's like this is a game where hopefully he's rested and hopefully he's not dealing with too many.
00:34:00
Ah, too much soreness or anything too serious in terms of injury.
00:34:03
This is a game with the need.
00:34:04
Anthony Davis scored 30 and kind of control the pain and, you know, have bad like Dwight Howard JaVale McGee, protecting the rim and fight.
00:34:11
You know, when guys like Ally Leonard Paul, George knew William, these guys are getting to the group.
00:34:16
They're able to variable to kind of change, change their shots and haven't affected in the paint.
00:34:20
And another guy.
00:34:21
I just love his game on the Clippers mantra.
00:34:23
Sterile.
00:34:24
So I'm looking for you.
00:34:25
Got to keep him off the glass because if he gets 567 offensive rebound, that guy's like a pogo stick, right? Jump back up and dunk it back down.
00:34:31
So I agree with you think they have to.
00:34:33
They have to be cognition of that.
00:34:34
But to me, it really does come down to getting contributions for more than just a beat, LeBron.
00:34:38
Because this this is a game that, you know it's gonna be in the 1 15 1 twenties, not in the low hundreds are high nineties like we saw today.
00:34:44
Yeah, agreed.
00:34:45
It's going to be It's going to be one of those games where, uh, look, it's gonna be a fight now and again.
00:34:51
That's assuming everyone.
00:34:52
If everyone is not healthy, it's gonna be a tough go, that's for sure.
00:34:55
Way don't have LeBron.
00:34:57
If you don't have either of LeBron or 80 it's going to be a challenge because, you know, the Clippers are playing their guys, you know they're gonna play Kawai, you know, they arrested him tonight.
00:35:06
DNP sore left knee.
00:35:09
Might as well just say load management on their way.
00:35:12
All know what's really going on there.
00:35:14
Patrick Beverley was another guy that they arrested tonight.
00:35:17
The Clippers have been resting Guys like crazy.
00:35:19
Yes, it's cost them some wins.
00:35:20
But you know, those guys are going to be really rare and I'm ready to go against the Lakers on Christmas.
00:35:26
So if the Lakers don't have both A d and LeBron, they're gonna have a tough go of things.
00:35:30
If they don't have either of them, that's gonna get gonna get real ugly.
00:35:35
Um, hopefully they will have them both.
00:35:37
And if they dio, I think that they have a decent shot here.
00:35:40
They could win this thing.
00:35:42
I I I would look at it if everybody is healthy.
00:35:45
I see it is a coin toss because I really do think the Lakers are a very good team, and I know they have been playing well and shooting well lately, but I still think there's going to be a positive regression to the mean coming.
00:35:55
There's going to be a game where they just shoot lights out because they're all do right now and Uh, hopefully that will be this game on Christmas Eve or on Christmas day.
00:36:04
I mean, no, you're right, man.
00:36:05
We haven't seen them go, you know, unconscious from from three point line and quite a while now where they had a big game from from beyond the arc. So I agree.
00:36:12
I don't think they're 28 bad.
00:36:13
I don't think there good.
00:36:15
I think there's somewhere the middle middle of the pack and being in the n b a term that three point shooting.
00:36:19
But you're right, man.
00:36:20
It is a coin talks, and and it just you have to look at the little factors that are gonna happen.
00:36:25
I'm interested to see how the Clippers play this out.
00:36:27
Because if they're sitting at, you know, 234 games behind the Lakers, let's say come time for February March and you've seen Kawai get some might talk.
00:36:35
You see, you get a night off.
00:36:36
I wonder if they say All right, you know what April, May or march.
00:36:39
And in April last 5 62 the season those guys don't get any days off.
00:36:44
So I'm interested to see how Doc Rivers and that staff is going to do this going forward.
00:36:48
But I agree with you.
00:36:49
I think that if all things being equal and everybody is healthy and ready to go, I think that should be the best game on the Christmas.
00:36:55
Basically.
00:36:56
Because that pelican, absolutely looking looking pretty.
00:36:59
Yeah, absolutely.
00:37:00
Pelicans are on there with no Zion.
00:37:02
Warriors are on there with no one, No. One.
00:37:05
Basically, you get the Raptors on there.
00:37:07
They're missing a lot of guys like Paschal Sockem ous.
00:37:10
Well, it's others yet.
00:37:12
Look, it's it's not gonna be great right for Christmas Day, and the NBA's can't be pleased.
00:37:16
So hopefully everybody is out there and ready to go.
00:37:19
Uh, we're gonna dive into our questions and comments here from fans, but but actually, before we get into a real quick, I think in terms of mentality, I feel like the Lakers need the Christmas Day win.
00:37:30
But Maur than the Clippers do as far as the psychological side of things, given the way they played recently, only after the three straight losses and I mean, mind you, they haven't had to bet.
00:37:41
No wonder their two best players for two of the three losses and 80 probably wasn't fully healthy on on Thursday as well against Milwaukee.
00:37:47
So I agree, guy.
00:37:48
And I think they do need to know that if they get the doors blown off again, people are gonna start questioning and the Lakers keep up with the Clippers and are they really good enough? And you know, they've got they've got their butts kicked place in a row.
00:37:58
So I think that's gonna be important as well.
00:38:00
Yeah, 100% agree with that.
00:38:02
It's gonna be important for the Lakers to pick up a win.
00:38:04
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00:39:55
1st 1 I've got Ryan Kapoor said.
00:39:59
We have from Facebook.
00:40:00
We have Jared Dudley on the roster.
00:40:02
Why? Why is Jared Dudley still here? And I feel like we've addressed this a few times just about every show.
00:40:08
But what does Jared Dudley bring? I know fans are frustrated when you don't see him out there on the on the floor, contributing.
00:40:16
I owe it to me.
00:40:17
He's a good guy and he's a guy you have in your tent.
00:40:18
11 10 11.
00:40:20
The guy on your roster in terms of he's able to hit some three pointers.
00:40:24
He's a great teammate.
00:40:25
We see them stick up for people and do that.
00:40:27
He was like that with Brooklyn last year as well, and you can hit some shots and you know what? He's not gonna come out and kill you.
00:40:32
He's also not gonna win you any games.
00:40:34
He's just a guy.
00:40:35
He's a depth feast.
00:40:36
I don't have any issues with your abilities, a cheap piece.
00:40:38
And and I think he does his job to the best of his ability.
00:40:41
What do you think about it? Yeah, I mean, look, I don't I don't have a problem with that.
00:40:44
I know people are saying Get rid of Jared Dudley, get Jamal Crawford instead.
00:40:48
You can argue and say, Look, there should be somebody else in that spot But I think given what the Lakers needed, he's fine looking in space the floor a little bit.
00:40:56
When he is out there, you can occasionally, not great angle when defending.
00:40:59
That's a win.
00:41:00
That's a guy that you need because it's going to further.
00:41:03
Kyle Cruise was development.
00:41:04
I think that's important.
00:41:05
I think that he's a great locker room guy.
00:41:07
He's a great leader and he does.
00:41:09
He does a great job, but he's out there on the floor and we haven't seen we saw it already.
00:41:14
He is not afraid to mix it up a little bit when times are tough.
00:41:18
Jared Dudley is that guy that's gonna help in the middle of the fray.
00:41:21
and every team needs that guy.
00:41:23
So I'm kind of glad to him.
00:41:25
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
00:41:26
And again, You don't know no n b.
00:41:27
A team made up of 12 superstars.
00:41:29
You do have bad sick during w your team, and you look back at a lot of championship teams.
00:41:33
They do have bad like that.
00:41:34
So I don't have any issues with him being on the roster more than I look it Troy Daniels and Quinn Cook and said, What the hell are they doing? Not another series, right? Yeah.
00:41:43
I mean, that's That's a job, Jared.
00:41:44
Only I think it is doing exactly what was advertised to do when you get when you signed on with the Lakers.
00:41:49
Right? Which, by the way, Quinn Cook, one of five shooting tonight in 17 minutes.
00:41:53
His first opportunity to play hasn't seen the floor since December 8th.
00:41:57
Did not really make the most of those minutes tonight.
00:42:00
Unfortunately, Yeah, I've got Roman raise.
00:42:03
Hey, Jazz and Trevor has father time caught up with LeBron.
00:42:09
I feel like this is kind of Ah, a knee jerk reaction here is father time cut up.
00:42:13
We've been spending most of the season, talking about how LeBron is somehow defying father time and turning in all these incredible throwback performances.
00:42:21
Hey, gets one injury and it suddenly Father time is catching up to him. I don't know.
00:42:26
I still think that he's been tremendous all season, and this is the first thing that's come up.
00:42:30
Um, that look, if it ends up being more serious than we think and he's out two weeks, three weeks a month, something like that, then maybe it's something to be more concerned about.
00:42:39
But Frank Vogel early earlier said he literally is day to day there.
00:42:42
Check out up day by day.
00:42:44
Um, wouldn't surprise me if you played on Christmas Day.
00:42:47
I'm not. I'm not all that concerned.
00:42:49
I think LeBron's had a great season.
00:42:51
No, father.
00:42:52
Time is you can look at us physically and And And if you see us out there doing actual exercise, no, Father time has caught up to me and Trevor at his lab.
00:42:58
That has happened.
00:43:00
Yes, yes, but when it comes to LeBron, No, I wouldn't say that.
00:43:03
I mean, every guy susceptible to injuries.
00:43:05
You wouldn't say that Father Time's caught up to Ah Anthony Davis for missing a game.
00:43:09
He's only 26 27 years old.
00:43:10
He wouldn't say that about Collide, Leonard.
00:43:11
All these guys do miss games, and it happens.
00:43:14
Throughout the season, he's been he's been remarkably healthy and very dependent, Thrones and rear if he does, you know.
00:43:21
And even if he does end up missing 10 games this season or 10 games in a row right now, I wouldn't attribute it to being father time.
00:43:26
I just attributed to being bad luck, and the guy got hurt playing a professional sport.
00:43:29
Yeah, which that happens.
00:43:31
That tends to happen when you play professional sports.
00:43:34
At some point, you get injured.
00:43:35
We can't all be a c green and just be the iron Men.
00:43:38
At some point, we have to.
00:43:39
Ah, you have to deal with some injuries here there.
00:43:42
Yep.
00:43:44
Let's see.
00:43:47
I'm gonna get in a few of the other other questions and comments here.
00:43:50
Just got to find a few good ones.
00:43:52
Uh, all right, Mr Brennan, from YouTube.
00:43:54
Do you feel the Lakers need to focus more on defense than offense in picking up players? 100 points with 20 turnovers and no LeBron looks like the defense should be the focus.
00:44:05
So should they focus more on the defensive side of things? Should they be looking at defense? First players, Right.
00:44:10
The offensive players, When we're talking about either the buyout or the trade market, I think they've been.
00:44:16
I think they're very good defensive team when they're locked in and they have all their guys in there.
00:44:19
You know, I don't have any issues with how they play that where they're gonna progress a little bit after.
00:44:24
They're really, really good starting some of the opponents that they played.
00:44:27
Yeah, I expected that to happen, but, uh, I think they need a mixture, too.
00:44:30
I honestly do.
00:44:31
I think they need to find a guy was a three and a guy who can bring your shooting and and defending the perimeter and be a good reliable.
00:44:37
But you can have on the court at the end of games.
00:44:39
But I mean, if I had to choose between the two right now and I'm saying this based on what I've seen the last two or three weeks on this team, I think it's very important that they get a guy who can who could score and and be a guy who can penetrate against defense, create the offense.
00:44:52
I think defense goes secondary to offense.
00:44:54
How do you look at it? Yeah, at this point, I think that the defense of foundation that's in place is pretty good and they've got some good defenders on the squad.
00:45:02
I think they need somebody that can get in and light it up.
00:45:05
Somebody they can actually run the offense with LeBron isn't out there.
00:45:07
I think that's the more glaring weakness at this point, then the defense of side of things.
00:45:11
And I think they showed that tonight when they really put forth the effort and they really get after it, they could be a good defensive team.
00:45:16
Even without LeBron, what they can't be without LeBron is a good offensive team, so I think you need somebody that get out there and put the ball in the basket.
00:45:26
Let's see, Josh King said.
00:45:28
Without without draft picks.
00:45:30
Hey said, he said.
00:45:32
Dead picks.
00:45:33
But I'm assuming we mean draft picks there.
00:45:35
I hope so.
00:45:36
I don't know what that is that that stuff for for Halloween to get the wrong holiday here without traffic, saying Cruz was low salary.
00:45:43
Do we even have the assets for a decent trade? Josh? Look, if I'm trying to be unbiased here no, they don't.
00:45:53
They don't have that many assets available.
00:45:55
But Rob Pelinka has been extremely creative in the past.
00:45:58
And so I wouldn't put it past him, figuring out something, figure out some way to bring in a piece that helps them.
00:46:04
But in terms of getting like a blockbuster deal, like go get, uh, a quasi I star level like go get, like, a drew holiday or something like that.
00:46:12
That's not happening.
00:46:13
It is not.
00:46:14
They don't have the pieces to make that kind of move.
00:46:17
Yeah, I'm with you.
00:46:18
I mean, we we talked about this a lot, You know that They just don't have the draft picks.
00:46:21
They don't have the capital room.
00:46:22
They don't have the guys that other teams one s o to us.
00:46:25
It's either gonna have to come like you said from a very creative solution in terms of maybe some sort of weird three way trade or something.
00:46:31
But ah, the other option is kind of looking at doing it.
00:46:34
The buyout market, where you're gonna get older players who again are on the downside of their career.
00:46:39
Nobody's buying up players and in their in their private, their life in the prime of their career.
00:46:43
So you're gonna Look, guys, we're on the down side mid thirties, and we know there's one guy that everybody's kind of clamoring for.
00:46:48
And that's That's Andre Iguodala.
00:46:50
Yep, and the latest on him.
00:46:51
And we talked about this on the last podcast was that was that the Dallas Mavericks say they're not going to try to trade for him.
00:46:57
No, that's that's good for the Lakers.
00:46:59
The more teams say, no, Memphis, we're not falling for it.
00:47:02
You're gonna have to buy amount.
00:47:03
That's better for the Lakers because they don't have the pieces to trade for him. Wouldn't make sense.
00:47:07
And stacking up all those salaries won't work.
00:47:09
Speaking, which on Facebook, Tommy Tommy Cortez, would you take on Chris Paul's salary? They can't really.
00:47:16
They don't have the pieces to trade to make that work.
00:47:19
They don't have like a big expiring contract to send out or anything like that.
00:47:23
So they really can't swing a trade for Chris Paul.
00:47:27
But let's say let's say they did would you take on that salary? I'd say Probably not.
00:47:32
Because it's so long term.
00:47:34
Like any deal that goes past two years.
00:47:36
At this point, I mean, no shot at Yonas in 2020.
00:47:41
Now, you want to give up a shot Ayanna Santa to Cooper or a number of other free agents that are on the market that summer.
00:47:47
LeBron could be walking away that summer.
00:47:49
You might still have Anthony Davis.
00:47:51
You want to be able to sell a D on? Hey, look, if LeBron does leave us, we're gonna have a ton of cap space.
00:47:55
We could go get a guy like you, honest.
00:47:57
We can go get some of these other players that are out there.
00:48:00
Uh, I don't think you sacrifice that for a Chris Paul.
00:48:03
As much as I think Chris Paul is an amazing player.
00:48:06
I don't think I want to be the team playing.
00:48:08
Paying him $40 million.
00:48:09
2 years from now.
00:48:11
No, I mean, I agree 100%.
00:48:13
If you could have got him for one year, like a rental for the rest of the season that you will find a way to make the cap work. Absolutely.
00:48:19
But if you're screwed up your chances going forward to not only be a good team, a championship contender now, but continually be that no, it's just not worth it. Yeah.
00:48:27
Now, you if something happened in Okay, see? But this is not going to happen.
00:48:31
Don't Don't get me wrong.
00:48:33
But if Okay, see, suddenly bought out Chris Paul.
00:48:35
And you could just bring him onto the team is a free agent.
00:48:38
Yes, of course.
00:48:39
All day, every day without a second, without hesitation.
00:48:42
You do that right? Absolutely.
00:48:44
I think you'd be a great fit, but the contract makes it so just it doesn't work.
00:48:49
It's not absolutely not gonna work for them.
00:48:51
Uh, let's see.
00:48:55
Some people say you not Chris Paul.
00:48:57
I get it.
00:48:58
I get that ex Clipper stink is kind of calling to him.
00:49:01
I understand all of that.
00:49:02
Louise from YouTube saying LeBron is leaving with a bunch of question marks.
00:49:07
That's it.
00:49:08
He is a player option a year, Guys, he is a player option.
00:49:11
Which would mean that he would be done after that summer.
00:49:13
He could Who knows? Maybe he retires.
00:49:15
Maybe he could.
00:49:16
He could sign another contract.
00:49:17
He could play another four years past that, right? Like I'm not saying he's leaving.
00:49:22
I'm just saying he's got a player option that summer.
00:49:24
That's does it.
00:49:25
He might pick it up.
00:49:26
He might wind up playing another season with the Lakers and then leaving.
00:49:29
Maybe he declines it.
00:49:30
And he signed a new deal, tons of options on the table, just saying there's the possibility he will be under contract.
00:49:36
At that point, that's all Nick Dougherty.
00:49:41
If the Wolves buyout, Jefty, would you want the Lakers to take a gamble on him? Uh, for one, I don't think the Wolves are buying out Jeff Teague.
00:49:48
I think they would trade him rather than buy him out.
00:49:50
But yes, absolutely.
00:49:51
That's the type of player that I would 100% take a gamble on.
00:49:54
Yeah, he's a guy.
00:49:55
Come off the bench and kind of fill some of the holes that we were talking about off the top of the show that they need to have guys who can penetrate and dish and and hits him open threes and be a little bit better defender than Rondo.
00:50:04
So yes, 100% if that was happening, agree with you there's no way it's going to be.
00:50:08
Jeff Cheek would be a great option for the Lakers.
00:50:10
Yeah, I would definitely be okay with that.
00:50:12
Not that he's had an amazing season or anything.
00:50:14
But again, that's the type of player that you'd be looking for.
00:50:17
Ah Stewart, Percy from periscope said.
00:50:19
Can the Lakers trade Kuzma? Yes, absolutely can.
00:50:23
Problem is, he only makes 1.
00:50:24
9 million, and he hasn't had a great season so far.
00:50:27
So you in terms of salary matching, let's say you want to go get Dennis Schroder K off top my head.
00:50:34
I know this salaries, right, but let's say he's making 15 million.
00:50:37
Great.
00:50:38
Let's just say Dennis Rader's making 15 million and you decide he's the piece that you need and you're gonna go trade Kyle, who's gonna get him? 1.
00:50:45
9 million isn't going to get closer.
00:50:47
You have to get within 125% of that 15 million over to make that trade.
00:50:52
So then you're stacking up other contracts, and so that's where it gets complicated.
00:50:55
At just 1.
00:50:56
9 million, Cosmo's a tremendous value, but in terms of trade, bringing back a valuable piece.
00:51:02
That's probably gonna make a lot more than that.
00:51:04
It makes things really complicated and especially complicated when you have an $8 million salary.
00:51:09
Like in TV's couple.
00:51:10
Pope, who has, in fact Oh, no trade clause, as does javale McGee.
00:51:14
As does Roger Rondo.
00:51:16
You quickly start running out of options to put into a deal that would even build you up to that type of salary.
00:51:20
So, yes, you can trade Kyle Kuzma.
00:51:23
But doing so is actually pretty difficult.
00:51:27
Yeah, and and you're right.
00:51:28
I mean, what are you gonna believe? You try and trade crucify straight up, One for one with, you know, you can't make it where you're not gonna get much back at a $2 billion a year of guys.
00:51:35
So I just don't think it's an option.
00:51:36
I think the cruise is on this team for the long term, unless they unless they choose not to sign them or they can package them with something else so they could do it.
00:51:44
I just don't see it happening.
00:51:45
At least not this season.
00:51:47
Yeah, agreed.
00:51:48
It's it's not something that's gonna happen right now.
00:51:49
At least I don't think so, unless somebody blows them away with an offer that we weren't We weren't expecting.
00:51:54
Hey, you know what? Somebody comments on here saying, doesn't Dennis shooter make like 21 million? No, he doesn't.
00:52:00
I was actually really, really close.
00:52:02
He makes 15.5 million.
00:52:04
So good guess.
00:52:05
Pat myself on the back here is pretty good. Pretty good.
00:52:09
Ah, a lot more people saying Jamal Crawford.
00:52:13
What you think Jazz said this? Have we Have we come around on Jamal Crawford yet or is that still affirmed? You know what? I will say That I'm not opposed to it.
00:52:22
If you have the roster spot open there, you want to you know, Taylor and Tucker put it back down.
00:52:26
And would you be which they don't? Yeah, Yeah.
00:52:28
I mean, they don't at this point where you gotta create space for him.
00:52:32
Wherever you think you could help, you're gonna take a flier on a guy went on.
00:52:35
But, I mean, you gotta make sure you're not worsening team that you have in front of you right now, but I mean, okay, let me ask you this.
00:52:39
Troy Daniels or Jamal Crawford right now, Jamal Corporate in street clothes, coming off and come into play.
00:52:44
What do you like better? Jamal Crawford? Okay, at this point, and that's and that's not trying to be a knock on Troy Daniels.
00:52:50
He just hasn't given them what they needed.
00:52:52
And there's a chance that Jamal Crawford could.
00:52:55
And so I could see that.
00:52:56
But if you're the Lakers perspective, you still have to pay Troy Daniels, right? So then you're gonna play Troy Daniels and Jamal Crawford at the same time, like Troy Daniels can do some good things out there for them.
00:53:07
And you can probably defended a higher level than Jamal Crawford can.
00:53:10
But but knowing that you need someone who could get out there and score if you were to sign him to a non guaranteed deal, knowing that if it's not working out you go try somebody else, I'd be at least willing Thio go that route.
00:53:23
I think it's an interesting Andy. Anyway.
00:53:25
I'm one with you on that.
00:53:28
Somebody said he can get his own shot.
00:53:30
That's it.
00:53:31
That's exactly that's why that's the one thing they'll be interesting about Jamal Crawford.
00:53:34
But he tends to take a lot of long twos.
00:53:36
He's not gonna help you defensively.
00:53:39
There's a whole list of reasons why you'd be concerned about doing that.
00:53:41
So I totally understand if the Lakers would would pass on doing something like that.
00:53:45
Yeah, I'm going with you Don ish Akhtar from YouTube said.
00:53:51
Clippers have four plus guys who can score 20.
00:53:53
And if Kawai and Paul George have an off night, they could still have Lou and trends and a deep bench player.
00:53:58
How do you think we can beat the Clippers in a seven game series? Um, again, it's kind of like what we already outlined being bigger and stronger and more physical than them on the interior, right? I mean, yes, Lou Williams can get going.
00:54:10
Yes, Montrose Harold can get going.
00:54:12
They've got those guys who can score.
00:54:14
But at the top end, Can LeBron James keep pace with them? Can, uh, can Anthony Davis keep pace there and then can you get 20 points a night from a from one of Cosma and Danny Green and some of these other players that they've got? Maybe it's a long shot, but yes, I do think there is a path for the Lakers to beat the Clippers in a seven game series of the playoffs.
00:54:34
Oh, to me, the pathogen.
00:54:35
Anthony Davis and LeBron James.
00:54:37
Don't forget the Clippers got to be able to sell those guys down for four out of seven times, too.
00:54:40
So that's what I think makes that serious.
00:54:42
So appealing to not only Lakers and Clippers fan, but eh, NBA fans in basketball fans in general is Bill how those teams and you mentioned the contrast in styles and how they match up.
00:54:51
So it says so to me.
00:54:52
Yes, the Clipper.
00:54:53
The Lakers can beat the Clippers in a seven game series.
00:54:54
They have.
00:54:55
They have the guys to be able to do it.
00:54:57
Yeah, they definitely d'oh! And it's gonna be fascinating if they do wind up running into each other in the playoffs.
00:55:03
All right, let's do one more question before we get out of here before we call it an evening and family from YouTube said, Our players do not make threes consistently.
00:55:14
No one's a real threat on making threes.
00:55:16
Uh, other than David Greene, can we go after J. J.
00:55:21
Red****? Yes, but the money again, I think the money problem.
00:55:27
And on top of that, the pelicans are gonna be just trying t o takeaway Maur assets from the Lakers.
00:55:34
I don't think the pelicans are the team that you trade with to begin with in order to go get like a J J. Red**** style piece.
00:55:40
I don't know that look, he's a great three point shooter, and you could certainly use that.
00:55:44
But I need somebody who can create offense a little bit. J.
00:55:47
J Red**** is is amazing at running off of screens, but I think you need somebody that can actually handle the ball a little bit and create their own shot on their own.
00:55:55
And I don't think that's really J J.
00:55:56
Red**** at this point.
00:55:57
So, yeah, that's that wouldn't be the first guy not saying I'd be upset if they went and got him.
00:56:03
But finding the pieces to trade for him first ball is difficult.
00:56:07
And then even if you do, I don't know if he solves the problems that the Lakers have, at least in their entirety.
00:56:14
Yeah, you know, I think that's where you look at Cosmo, too.
00:56:17
And I think you know, we know that Kuzma is the fit Next to LeBron hasn't been great Let's just call it what it is of the last couple seasons, but that's gonna knock on him.
00:56:26
Is you need him? Kind of maybe cutting Maura and he's not really bad.
00:56:29
Isn't coming off screens and a spot up shooter like that, your curling on slasher and catching it.
00:56:34
He's a slasher, and you know what he's again.
00:56:36
A guy who is not able to go to the hoop and feel that find the open man outside for a three point or find a nice little dish down low.
00:56:42
That's never been his strength, like you mentioned J. J. Red**** again.
00:56:45
Fascinating guy to have on your team.
00:56:47
I don't think it would help the Lakers, but I just don't think he's at the top of the list right now.
00:56:51
In terms of potential people.
00:56:52
They want to bring it.
00:56:53
Yes, and I don't look at this team and go man.
00:56:55
This team is a J.
00:56:56
J.
00:56:57
Red**** away from being a championship team.
00:56:59
Yeah, I think that's what it comes out.
00:57:01
Okay, guys, Uh, thank you, Tony.
00:57:04
Yo, from YouTube said Robert Covington is the answer.
00:57:07
Yes, yes, he's our guy.
00:57:08
That that type of player that would be a perfect fit.
00:57:12
He's not gonna be give he coming for any cheaper, cheap price or anything like that that, like the Lakers, aren't gonna be able to just crammed together if you're their bench players and turn that into Robert Covington like, that's not He's a pretty He's a player that's in high demand around the league.
00:57:26
Oh, yeah, that's not gonna happen, But but that type of player, that's that's the type that I'd be looking for on the wing anyway.
00:57:32
All right, guys, I want to say thank you to everybody coming in from YouTube coming in from Facebook.
00:57:35
Live committed from periscope.
00:57:37
Thank you guys for joining us.
00:57:38
Thank you for all of our questions.
00:57:39
Appreciate all of this.
00:57:42
Uh, somebody from periscope.
00:57:43
Just ask.
00:57:44
Do we have to cut someone for Iggy? Yes.
00:57:46
You would have to cut someone in order, bring in under a dollar just to answer that real quick Jazz.
00:57:50
Thank you so much for joining me.
00:57:51
Obviously you are traveling.
00:57:53
You're with family.
00:57:54
Thank you for taking the time to Ah, come on here anyway.
00:57:57
Oh, any time I'm looking for the Christmas night already.
00:57:59
Hopefully it's all fully healthy.
00:58:00
and we get to watch a good one because, as we said, the rest that's late.
00:58:03
I don't think I would be watching too much basketball on Christmas Day, then that game. So that's right.
00:58:08
Hopefully, hopefully it's a merry Christmas for us in Laker land and Chris Masters is going to join us on Christmas night.
00:58:14
So we'll have all three of us together chatting and talking Lakers basketball.
00:58:17
So hopefully you guys come back, join us, then we'll be talking about Lakers versus Clippers. Postgame.
00:58:22
Hopefully, everybody stays healthy.
00:58:24
Fingers crossed that LeBron and 80 are able to play in that one because that would certainly be a big, big help if the Lakers do hope to pick up a win against the Clippers again, guys, make sure you support our sponsors up time.
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L A Lakers nation.
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Trevor lain here for Lakers nation dot com And this is the Lakers Nation postgame show and podcast.
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Today we're breaking down the Lakers unfortunate loss to the Denver Nuggets.
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Won 28 to 10 for wasn't really close in the second half.
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Thought the Lakers did come out with some energy in the first half.
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But you know what? No LeBron James, That's gonna be a problem for the Lakers that we guess that coming in, that it was gonna be a challenge not having LeBron out there, and it certainly was.
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And this one will break it all down.
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It wasn't all bad, though.
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We saw some high points as well.
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We'll talk all about it.
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How are you doing? I'm in Canada.
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I'm cold, but I'm at my parentshouse.
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My mom does a great job decorating.
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Not like my crummy little apartment I live in back in l. A.
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So that's why you're seeing all the decorations here find.
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It's looking good.
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Looking good.
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Looks very, very festively, very cheerful, probably a little bit more cheerful than most Lakers fans are right now.
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The live chat is open, by the way, in one of the first comments that came up, though, that might make us feel a little bit better.
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Is Ah, the Clippers lost? Yeah, yeah, at least at least we've got that.
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But this was not a pretty game from for the Lakers, but we knew we knew going into this Jazz No LeBron James Lakers.
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We're gonna have a problem.
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They're offensive, has struggled.
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It's been bad when LeBron James is off the floor there minus 0.
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6 in net rating when LeBron is off the floor compared to a positive 10 plus when he is on the floor.
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So we knew it was gonna be a bit of a challenge, and it certainly was the Denver Nuggets.
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They took advantage, didn't they? Well, you know, it is kind of like some of the games we've seen earlier in the season with the Lakers in terms of, um I think we're looking at it like some of the games.
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You've seen them play like I'm not gonna say.
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The Lakers obviously fully loaded.
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They better team than me.
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The Nuggets are, but we saw some games earlier in the season that we were looking at.
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Okay, if the Lakers are gonna eventually pull away, like, you know, we said this against the Hawks.
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We said this against teams like the Hornets, where you were kind of looking at it like, Okay, give it till the third quarter and then once you get to the third quarter, the Lakers will pull away.
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I felt like that coming into this game.
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As soon as we knew LeBron was out, we were texting about it.
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We're like it's in and take a superhuman effort.
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They're Manti Davis in order for them to win 40 to 50 points.
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Uh, I think he did his part, but I mean, once the Nuggets got gold in the third quarter of one of the big run, you kind of felt like All right, this is the beginning of the end for the Lakers on this one. Yeah.
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I mean, really not having that that other star out there, not having LeBron James.
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It just means the margin of error is non existent.
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Essentially, you can't do some of the things that the Lakers did tonight and still expect to win.
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You can't make mistakes and be the team like the Denver Nuggets.
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Like the Lakers.
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Without LeBron, you go beat the Warriors, you go beat the Hawks like you mentioned.
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You can beat some of these other teams, but the Denver Nuggets are too good to go out there and beat if you're going to make some of those steaks that the Lakers did, and that includes some poor shooting, and that's something that we've been talking about quite a bit recently.
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They ended up shooting 40% 7% from the field, which is fine and 34% from three.
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But a lot of those came after the game was already decided.
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Most of their poor shooting was happening through the 1st 3/4 of the game, and the game was kind of over once they started actually making shots.
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Are you worried about the Lakers shooting long term at this point, That's a big question I've been getting from a lot of fans.
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Yeah, we were talking about it.
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I think it was the middle of last week that we were like, Oh, there.
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There are about a week and 1/2 ago that they're sitting in fifth in the league in three point percentage, and we're so remember we're talking about that.
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We're like, what are you know, we were looking a bit stats? Yeah, they're actually, but they've dropped down a lot now as well.
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I do think it's a concern war.
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So coming off the bench, they do need to find some guys who can consistently be able to hit the long bomb, including guys that Kyle Cruise.
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But you're hoping he gets going from out there.
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I think Jared Dudley brings that again.
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You can't put Jared only on the floor that much.
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And Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels aren't very consistent, so I think it is gonna be a It is a concern for them going forward on the second unit.
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I think they've got enough in the first unit with, uh, with having Danny Green out there on obviously element.
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LeBron James not great, but not a bad three point shooter.
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Yeah, that is something that has reared its ugly head over the last few games.
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Yeah, the poor shooting.
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We talked about this on the podcast last night that I did.
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Where the Lakers over the last five games during the road trip there were 28th in the n B A in three point shooting.
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That's not going to get it done.
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That's the kind of thing that can absolutely torpedo your chances of winning a game.
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And in this case, when you don't have LeBron, you've got to be hot from the field.
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The Lakers just they weren't they weren't hitting shots despite some really nice effort.
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I think we saw some great effort from them in the first half.
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Second half the Nuggets got rolling and it was just clear.
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The Lakers And we haven't seen this yet this season.
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One game where the Lakers just didn't have the talent then that's that's really what it comes down to.
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The Lakers weren't as talented of a team tonight as the Denver Nuggets, and so consequently they lost.
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They couldn't hit shots and they couldn't get the stops that they needed, especially in the second half, and that caused them to lose this game in a blow on fashion.
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So, hopefully, LeBron James will get healthy and get healthy fast.
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Not easy to replace him, But we should say, you know, they haven't played without him yet.
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And to be thrown in there against the Denver Nuggets and say, Hey, guess what? Now you've got to figure out life without LeBron.
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That's That's a tall task to begin with, you know, like you can get away with doing that against some weaker teams.
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But against the Nuggets, that's a tough ask.
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Well, you're right, man.
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Remember that Indiana game when they were playing with 80 on Tuesday? And it's a three point game at 80 is very important to the Lakers success.
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But, uh, I think LeBron in terms of offensively, it's just a whole nother beast.
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And when she knew he wasn't gonna play, we've seen how bad the team has struggled When he isn't on the court, even when he is healthy, he just getting arrested.
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He's playing 35 minutes a night, but when you're looking at that age, that game against Indiana, you still felt like a.
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They've got LeBron and he's able to control the pace and and kind of run things on the offense.
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But today it was like, Who the hell is going to be able to do this other than Anthony Davis and and that's where we're at.
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And that's one thing.
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You know what? We're texting during the game a bit, too, and I don't know.
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People have asked you about it, but I saw your tweet about it as well.
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Frank Vogel.
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Today was the first time I was yelling at the TV like, What are you doing up for sure, And why is 80 over 20 point game he's already limping around? Ankle injuries might be a need problem right now to get him off the court in a 20 point game.
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They had no business being on the court had no chance of coming back at that point.
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Yeah, this is the first time, like you said first time where we've been frustrated with what we saw from Frank Vogel and again, he's done a tremendous job this season, but I and I'm curious to see what he says in the postgame.
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I'm sure he'll address it I'm sure the question is going to be asked to him about why Anthony Davis was still out there, because it wasn't just fans that were tweeting out.
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Get Anthony Davis off the floor.
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There were media members.
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They were saying the same thing, not understanding why why Anthony Davis was out there.
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It didn't really make sense.
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The Lakers were down to the game, was clearly over.
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He was banged up that play with his knee, did not look good.
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His foot slid out from under him.
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The leg kind of buckled.
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That's that's kind of scary.
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He was grimacing on the bench when the training staff was looking at him.
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Maybe, and this is just me kind of speculating here.
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But maybe the training staff told him.
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He's totally fine, just a little bit sore.
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You can go ahead and play him, but even so, given what they've got coming up, you've got a big matchup against the Clippers on Christmas Day.
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You've already got LeBron James hurt.
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Why on earth would you have Anthony Davis on the floor that's playing with fire? To me, that was the biggest mistake of the season so far from Frank Vogel yo.
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Yeah, man.
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And you're looking at, you know, looking at the fact that 30 games and now, uh, I feel like I've had this good to start, as you could've expected at 24 6 but they only have a three game lead on the Nuggets.
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The three and 1/2 up on Houston.
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And we talked about the importance of trying to blow out some of these teams.
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So these guys do get a little bit of arrests.
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So it's gonna be interesting to see how he handles that.
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Because if they are knocked up, if a D does get a little bit sore and LeBron has to miss, you know, another couple of games, they're gonna they're gonna be in some trouble in the standings in terms of holding onto the top spot in the conference.
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And we kind of talked about the fact that well, you know, now we know the Western Conference.
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Probably about 45 teams that are contenders.
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Where Utah.
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You could You could throw it there.
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I don't think it seems like Okay, see a port and might want to run as well once you get there.
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Guys really healthy, but to me.
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The Lakers now are going to start losing some of that ground that they had gained by having that great start.
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So Frank Vogel is gonna have to figure things out in terms of if these guys are gonna miss you a game or two.
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Or they need some load management how they're gonna handle that? Because I just didn't like what I saw from him as a coach, which is the first time I will say that We're saying at game 30 so obviously he's done a pretty **** good job.
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Yeah, Yeah.
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I mean, that's the thing here, right? Big picture, you're looking.
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They have six losses on the season.
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It's been a good season. So far.
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They've done some really good things.
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Frank Vogel, I think has done an excellent job overall, if we're in Game 30 and this is the first thing we can point to where we can go Look, this was not right.
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He really messed up here.
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That's probably a good good thing, you know, But it isn't pretty.
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Look, like maybe you got hurt.
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That could be the season right there, Right? Like we have gotten seriously injure.
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If there was a serious injury because of him still playing.
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That's that's too big of a risk to take.
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And I'm hopeful that that something is going to get addressed in the postgame here because I really am curious to see what what Vogel was thinking, why he still had amount there.
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I think there had to be.
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There had to be some reason for.
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It may be something that we're not thinking of because from the outside perspective, it did not make any sense whatsoever.
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No, I mean, you could see that the team, I don't want to say they gave up in the complete sense, but you could tell they were they were down and they were like, We're gonna win this game And it was over and they were down by 20 early in the early in the fourth and they were down 20 with about five minutes.
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I think I left.
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It was left in the game.
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And then finally, for just over four minutes, Vogel finally decided to take a moment.
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So that was concerning to me, too.
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Some of the other things I want to touch on two minutes, you look at the way they played today.
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18 assists, 19 turnovers.
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Not gonna not gonna win many games like that.
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That should show you how important LeBron James is to this team.
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Because if he plays, they get a hell of a lot more than 10 18 assists as well.
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Yeah, I mean, and look, here's the Here's the thing, though.
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And this is why I almost kind of put a little asterisk by those 1919 turnovers.
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They're not used to playing without LeBron.
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They are.
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They're used to LeBron running the show, so I would expect it to be sloppy.
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I would expect there'd be turnovers when suddenly you're putting guys into a new role.
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And when that role is lead ball handler, when you're asking Rondo to run the show against starters, not against bench players.
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When you're asking guys like Caruso to suddenly run the entire offense when nobody else has been doing that.
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Besides LeBron for the majority of games for the entire season, I kind of expect there to be turnovers in for it to be ugly.
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So, like, yes, they had 19 turnovers.
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Yes, that's bad, but I would assume that if they played the entire season without LeBron, those turnovers would go down.
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A lot of that is just the newness of not being used to doing that being pushed into that new rule.
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Well, who would you? I mean, I know they went with Rondo kind of out there at first.
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But what other options do they have at this point? I thought, Yeah, that's the problem.
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And we've talked about the fact that now that the trade window is open to the majority, the guys who who signed over the summer are now available as of December 15th basically a week ago today.
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But you look at you, look at the bio mark it like they do need some help on the perimeter and especially in terms of ball handling.
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Because LeBron, who has been very, very reliable, let's, you know, let's not fit here.
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Incidents have been a problem for him, and he's turning 35 coming up in just over a week air.
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Um, if he misses a game or two, he slows down a little bit in the playoffs or he gets in foul trouble.
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Where the hell is the offense going to come from? And that's what my concern is, right now and I think this this game and I mean, I thought they held up pretty well against Milwaukee and they did a **** good job in Indiana as well without a D.
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But I think this game shows just how important LeBron is to the squad, where you're basically saying without him, I don't know if this is Ah, this is not a top five team in the West world.
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You think that we finish it? LeBron, who isn't on this roster without him? Uh, 7878 seed something.
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Something like that.
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Look. And here's the thing, though.
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Like, if we knew that LeBron was it on the roster from day one, this wouldn't be the roster, right? This This is a team built around LeBron James and built around LeBron and Anthony Davis.
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So you can't expect them to go out there and operate at a high level of able to do a bunch of a bunch of things when they're built to play off of LeBron James and knock down open shots.
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And that's a whole other conversation, not knocking down open shots.
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But the point is still is still valid that they don't really have anybody off the bench that can do the things that they need.
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Some need a ball handler to do.
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Rondo holds it too much.
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Can't be a reliable option as a as a starter.
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He's not a guy that you can throw in there in a pinch and expect things to to run, okay? And I get it.
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29 30 teams in the N B A.
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Can't replace a LeBron James, right? You can't do that.
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It's not gonna happen.
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But you still need to have somebody out there who can at least competently run the team.
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And I don't know that the Lakers have that right now.
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I think Rhonda was has been find this season playing against reserves.
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Playing get starters is a whole different ballgame.
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So, uh, that's gonna be the challenge for Rob Pelinka.
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This, uh, this trade deadline.
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He doesn't really have many assets that you can part with, and he's got some holes he's gonna need to fill, so we'll see what he can get done.
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But But it's not gonna be easy for him.
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No, I mean, and that's the thing that we're looking at.
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The bio market and bio market typically for guys were 35 36 at the end of their career.
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Their games are No.
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Let's be honest.
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We're not gonna sit here and act like, Oh, it's so easy to replace LeBron James And why can't you know what I mean? Wait for Taelon Horn Tucker.
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Just go be LeBron.
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That's Rostov Lebron, That's it.
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That's all we need you to. That was the narrative.
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We're looking for the guy.
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Go ahead.
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No, I mean, we know how difficult it is.
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I just think that they need to have someone who is Maura of, ah, Creator.
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Not in the forecast.
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I think Rondo does a good job of running an offense, you know what I mean? He did a good job of kind of telling guys were to go and running the system, but at the same time, they need someone who could bring a skill set again.
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Not gonna come close to LeBron because it's not that there's nobody else out there who could do that, but someone who is able to kind of not run the offense the way Rondo does, but also able to either create some points for himself and be able to find open teammates and and be a consistent right now whether that someone you need for 10 15 minutes a game, that's all you're looking for.
00:14:05
But just somebody of that skill set that is available, then you're right.
00:14:09
That's gonna be a challenge for ah, for Rob Plant Going for it also just updates on Twitter.
00:14:14
Frank will go on eighties.
00:14:15
Right now. This is from Bill, Room of the athletic.
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He tweeted and this is a direct quote.
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He tweaked it and he felt good enough to go back in the game.
00:14:21
I didn't feel like he looked limited.
00:14:23
What do you think of that? I think that then that means that he just didn't He didn't see him then because because he he looked limited.
00:14:30
He lived, you know, like he looked extremely limited.
00:14:32
But, uh what what is tweaked? It mean, we'll see.
00:14:35
Maybe they haven't.
00:14:36
I'm looking at what you're seeing to nothing about having an m r I or anything like that.
00:14:41
But he was He was very clearly limping around on the floor, so I don't know.
00:14:46
Was Vogel just not watching him? Not seeing what was going on was no one on the coaching staff, saying, Hey, look, 80 is hurt.
00:14:53
We need to get him out.
00:14:55
I don't know.
00:14:56
I don't know what the call was.
00:14:57
That answer in and of itself doesn't give us enough information.
00:15:00
Um, we do know that he felt good enough to go back in, so Edie gave himself the green light.
00:15:05
But here's the thing.
00:15:06
What we've learned about Anthony Davis so far is that you can't trust him.
00:15:10
Anthony Davis will send him, so he's gotten better about this, but he will go crashing to the floor.
00:15:15
He will go 100 miles an hour, no matter what the situation is.
00:15:18
And again, he's gotten a little bit better.
00:15:20
But I still don't feel like he's gonna be completely truthful when it comes to Are you able to play or should you take it easy, right? Like I I feel like LeBron would.
00:15:30
Ted would say, I'm a little bit banged up.
00:15:32
Probably better toe to kind of take the foot off the gas pedal and rest a little bit.
00:15:36
I don't know if Anthony Davis will do that, and I don't know if it's ah if it's just ah, you know, I want to be macho and manly, and I want to get out there and play all the time or if it's just not understanding what his body is telling him or anything.
00:15:47
But I don't think that you could just take Anthony Davis.
00:15:50
Davis is word for it when he says, No, I'm good.
00:15:53
I think your training staff needs to tell.
00:15:54
You know, he's not.
00:15:56
Look at the way he's limping.
00:15:57
Get him out.
00:15:58
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
00:15:59
And I mean 80 need to look at it.
00:16:01
Maura again in a situational basis.
00:16:02
To write like this is a game in in late December against the team, but that that is right behind you and kind of nipping at her heels in terms of understandings.
00:16:10
But you're down 20 and the coach has to see that.
00:16:13
And these guys are professional athletes, so they want to be out there that want to be playing in these games.
00:16:17
Then they wanna play as many minutes as they can, because but that's just how they're they're they're born and bred.
00:16:22
But then you look at Frank Vogel.
00:16:23
I mean, let's be honest.
00:16:24
What game is he watching today that he can sit there and say that he looked fine to me.
00:16:28
Didn't look fine.
00:16:29
Tell us you know what I mean? Yeah, I think anybody who was watching that game could look and say, All right, he's banged up. He's limping.
00:16:34
He probably shouldn't be on the court.
00:16:35
So Frank Vogel needs to be a little bit more, sort of, because he's the guy who could tell the tell JaVale McGee or Dwight Howard get in there for this guy.
00:16:42
So he needs to start doing that a little bit more because I like you like you mentioned on.
00:16:46
We've talked about this quite a quite a bit on the show with this team.
00:16:48
We're not looking.
00:16:49
We're not looking at how this team finishes the regular season you're looking at at the at the long term goal of being a champion right now, that that that's what they have to build words in it.
00:16:57
If Anthony Davis is being stubborn about it, well, Frank, Well, where you gonna put your foot down and say No, man, it's time for you to get off the court because we have bigger aspirations and been winning a game on December 22nd.
00:17:05
Yep, Yeah, as a coach, that's your job.
00:17:07
That's your job as a coach is to tell the guy.
00:17:10
No, you need to be over here on the side and this is why so and again.
00:17:15
E, I don't want to come off as is too critical of Frank because he's done a great job. Great job.
00:17:21
But that's this has been tonight.
00:17:23
This was a problem.
00:17:24
I've got a few people throwing out names, So when we talk about, we're talking about how they need somebody who can run the offense.
00:17:30
The name the cop kept popping up in my head was Derrick Rose.
00:17:33
You need like a Derrick Rose type player, somebody who can score while running an offense a little bit.
00:17:38
Somebody who can be useful off the bench when LeBron is there, but can kind of take over the show when he's not there.
00:17:43
Another name that people are thrown out.
00:17:45
There's Dennis Schroder.
00:17:46
Yeah, that's another guy.
00:17:47
That would be interesting, kind of, but a scoring combo guard player that that's the type of guy like a Lou Williams type.
00:17:55
That's the one we've been talking about a CZ well as a wing defender.
00:17:57
I think you need those two things, and then, uh, and then you need everybody.
00:18:01
Everybody healthy.
00:18:02
So we need Anthony Davis not to be hurt.
00:18:04
If you get those pieces, I think the Lakers would be in really, really good shape.
00:18:07
But I think tonight we really saw the holes in in the way this roster has been put together.
00:18:13
Yeah, and and I think the tougher the competition gets going again.
00:18:16
I've said this Lakers haven't lost a team with a losing record so far throughout the entire season.
00:18:21
So they able to kind of mask some of the deficiency that might have in the roster.
00:18:25
Yeah, I think we've seen that happen quite a few times, but yeah, you're right.
00:18:28
I mean, you're looking at this.
00:18:29
This was a game where they needed 82 score close to 40 and somebody else and chipping or 20 to 25.
00:18:35
We talked about him a lot, and he didn't look decent today, Karl Kruse minute, 16 points and and a little bit more aggressive.
00:18:40
And I liked what he was going to the hoop.
00:18:41
But then didn't he needs someone like that like you mentioned like a dentist, or they're not gonna be easy to find because guys like Shooter, if their teams air in the playoff race, they're not giving up on him.
00:18:49
So I got like Derrick Rose, I think would be perfect.
00:18:51
But again, what type of assets do you have to get him unless he bought out? Exactly.
00:18:55
Exactly.
00:18:56
That's gonna be the challenge for up Lincoln because you don't have those words.
00:18:58
Look, New Orleans did a great job of not just negotiating the trade but making sure that the Lakers would have a really hard time improving their team.
00:19:06
After getting Anthony Davis, you make it the way that trade was structured.
00:19:09
It was set up specifically to make sure the Lakers would not have trade assets moving forward.
00:19:14
And, uh, and that's that's the the hurdle that Rob Blake is gonna have to overcome.
00:19:19
But you did mention Kyle Kuzma and I do want to get into him.
00:19:22
But I don't want to be super doom and gloom here, right? I mean, it's It's the holidays, right? We should be.
00:19:26
We should be careful in everything.
00:19:27
But what I thought the the the best thing about tonight's game was Kyle Kuzma, and he was a minus 16 on the night he shot seven of 15 1 of four from from from three.
00:19:40
Those are all kind of whole home things, right? Four boards.
00:19:42
He did have to block 16 points.
00:19:44
It was more the way he looked.
00:19:46
He had that bounce again.
00:19:48
He looked like he was spring.
00:19:49
He looked like he was his old self.
00:19:52
He didn't look like he was laboring at all or anything like that.
00:19:55
He showed off the soft touch around the room a few times.
00:19:58
This was the Kyle Kuzma that we've been looking to see and know wasn't a perfect performance by any means, But he finally looked healthy again.
00:20:05
He looked right.
00:20:06
I think he I think tonight well, that wasn't his best.
00:20:09
It was a reminder of what he can be.
00:20:11
See, I'm gonna go in the opposite end of this because we remember that we remember that streak in in November.
00:20:17
Get that week where he was putting up 2020 and then Yet I think there's a 15 or 13 point game in a 17 point game in that stretch, and we're like, Okay, he's back.
00:20:25
You got it.
00:20:26
You know what I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off until we see him do it for a while and I'm gonna hold off until we see him do it with LeBron on the court as well, because to me, I agree with you in terms of health wise.
00:20:35
He did look a lot bounce here.
00:20:36
You look a little bit more to his game.
00:20:38
But he also had more free rein out there knowing that LeBron, he doesn't LeBron doesn't have the ball in his hands all the time when he's on the court with him.
00:20:45
And so in this type of game, it was good to see and be aggressive.
00:20:48
It was good to see him get some buckets.
00:20:49
But I do want to wait and see in terms of getting people to do this.
00:20:52
Now, for a month straight, where the guy that we were expecting, who's gonna be able to consistently put in 16 17 18 points a game, which we've seen flashes up.
00:21:00
But I'm hoping that the ankle injuries is behind him, obviously for the betterment of the team.
00:21:04
But I'm just I'm gonna pump the brakes a little bit and say All right, you look better, but I don't want to get all happy about it.
00:21:08
Say he's back toe, okay? I mean, just just physically he loses.
00:21:12
You look better than what we've seen in weeks, right? He did.
00:21:17
But But you're right, though.
00:21:18
You're right.
00:21:19
There are some concerns about can he fit into this offense? He did look lost a few times.
00:21:23
But overall, if you want to describe a an ideal comeback game for Kong Qiu's MMA, I think what we saw tonight from him anyway wasn't far off from what the ideal return game would look like.
00:21:37
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. You know, I grew up on that.
00:21:39
I mean, this is Who's that? What we're expecting to see who's do all the time.
00:21:42
You know what I'm saying? So And if he's able to do that consistently, I think that's a huge win for the Lakers.
00:21:47
Going forward? Yeah, and look, if you get Kyle Kuzma back at 100% or at least 95% of whatever he's out at this point, that gives you that nice insurance coming off the bench that you've got somebody who can come in and score the basketball.
00:21:59
That's something the Lakers have needed.
00:22:00
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That was gonna complicate a couple myself on that one.
00:22:11
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Okay, So speaking of insurance, jazz, if you were to add anyone to this Lakers team, if you were to go out there and find someone on the bio market, if you were to find someone in trade that you would have that would make you feel a little bit better about this team's title chances give you a little bit of insurance.
00:23:35
What type of player do you think the Lakers should be looking for, who, after today's game awards on a different kinds of ways, go down the laundry list of that? But I mean, after today before this, I think we're on the same page and and and we looked at it and said, OK, these guys need to get a three indie guy, right? Somebody could hit some threes for them and and contribute defensively and be a good defender After today.
00:23:58
I do think it's important to get another guy who can create, and I think they had high hopes for Rondo.
00:24:03
We don't talk about them, you know, kind of bringing him in.
00:24:05
I don't think he's been terrible this year at also diminishing him.
00:24:08
I just think again his skill set with that second unit.
00:24:11
They haven't been able to find consistency there in terms of like you mentioned a guy like Derrick Rose.
00:24:14
I think you'd be the perfect fit in terms of usable to bring offensive.
00:24:18
He's not a great defender, but offensively he brings a lot to this team.
00:24:21
So after today, knowing that, we don't know if LeBron's gonna miss games in the future, we're gonna load management time.
00:24:27
I would say somebody who can create an enviable to facilitate the offense well being, also also having the capability of going off for 25 points.
00:24:34
You know, once every 15 20 games, whenever it happens, what about you? Yeah, agreed to somebody who could come in and score while still running, that offense would be ideal.
00:24:41
Let me tell you something, though.
00:24:42
I'm looking at.
00:24:43
I've been reading the comments here in the comment section, and people are not pleased with one player in particular.
00:24:50
And that guy, Danny Green.
00:24:53
Danny Green has come into the crosshairs now.
00:24:55
Now Lakers fans are not pleased with him.
00:24:58
At the moment, I've seen tons of comments about him from a number of different people on the night.
00:25:04
Danny Green, one of four shooting one of three from 32 or three of the line.
00:25:08
Five points, four boards, two assists.
00:25:12
Are you concerned about Danny Green? People are saying he's not worth $15 million as he played up to being worth $50 million so far this season.
00:25:21
I don't think so, but I mean again, he's a guy who you don't notice, and that's what any Cream does.
00:25:27
That's not always day.
00:25:28
That's even in his best season.
00:25:30
Last year is a Toronto rapture.
00:25:31
He was the you didn't notice that much.
00:25:33
That's Danny Green.
00:25:35
That's just yeah, that's a fair question from that.
00:25:38
People are asking that you know how much is he? Is he worth 15 million Bucks.
00:25:41
You look at his career numbers.
00:25:42
He's a nine point game by.
00:25:44
He's averaging 8.7 this season.
00:25:46
You know, I don't really know three point shooting down by being barely a percent and 1/2 roughly 2%.
00:25:51
Almost, um, so I don't think I don't know what were people expecting.
00:25:55
Like, I'll ask you, what do you think people were looking for from them in terms of 15 million bucks worth of Danny Greene? I mean, people are.
00:26:02
When you hear a $15 million year player, you expect somebody who can kind of create their own shot or can set up other guys to do something like that on the offensive end. Do something with some flash.
00:26:11
But that's not Danny Green.
00:26:12
And that's why I said heading into the season Jazz, That's the challenge for you.
00:26:15
And I is going to be shining a light on what makes Danny Green good on what makes him valuable.
00:26:21
Danny Green very much flies in the face of what most observers will see as valuable.
00:26:27
He's not a guy that you could give the ball to and run the offense.
00:26:30
He's not a guy that's going going to just provide tonnes of lock down defense.
00:26:33
He is a good defender, but he's not flying in from the weak side, providing these big, spectacular blocks.
00:26:38
He doesn't jump off the screen at you, but he does all the little things right.
00:26:43
And then when he is hitting a shot, when he is knocking down threes, he can provide floor spacing and he could do it in a very high level.
00:26:50
But again, so much of his value is tied to his three point shooting that if he's not shooting well, which he hasn't been recently, his value goes down a lot.
00:26:57
And so the 46% Danny Green that we shall we saw with the Toronto Raptors is way, way, way more valuable that the Daniel Green we've seen so far this season, especially a guy who shot one of four from three tonight.
00:27:08
He's also a guy where, like if you throw Danny Green on the Hawks on the Warriors, he's wasted right, he said.
00:27:16
He doesn't have value there.
00:27:18
He's valuable on a good team with guys who can create open looks and are going to draw attention because he's that guy that will knock down the open shots, and we've seen him step up in big games.
00:27:27
But overall, yeah, I get why it can be frustrating because you're looking at him and you're saying $15 million year, What's he doing? That's that's worth that.
00:27:35
It just takes a deeper dive to see where he's good.
00:27:38
I'm not saying he's $15 million a year good just yet, but his game is much more subtle.
00:27:45
Oh, you're right, man.
00:27:46
I mean, you put him on the Knicks and Danny Greene's probably still only scoring nine or 10 points a game.
00:27:50
It's not like he's a guy who's gonna go to a bad team and score and put up 15 20.
00:27:54
I get what people are frustrated with.
00:27:55
The amount that he's getting paid and what he didn't didn't do.
00:27:58
But at the same time, I mean, where were you you receiving? Put the ball on the floor and it hasn't been pretty either.
00:28:03
You know what I mean? So unless he's and you don't want to get, you know, shooting pull up threes from from beyond the arc in and trying to do that, that's just not his strong suit.
00:28:10
I think you hit the nail on the head perfectly that you know what he brings to the table is on a good team.
00:28:15
He's a valuable piece.
00:28:17
Now.
00:28:18
We consider and argue about the $50 million salary that seemed to be the going rate this summer for guys of his, you know, similar skill set.
00:28:23
Um, but I agree.
00:28:25
I don't think he's been as consistent again.
00:28:27
This is what it comes down to for a lot of the guys outside of LeBron and Anthony Davis is, Can they do this consistently? And you know, we had that big game against the Bucks.
00:28:34
Obviously had that huge game opening night where maybe you shouldn't have done that because I think we all started thinking like, Oh, ****, Danny Green would fit on this team better.
00:28:42
It has said that bar super high, Yeah, but I I agree with you.
00:28:48
I think that they I think I think some of those guys and again the brilliance of LeBron has massed.
00:28:53
A lot of what is the flaws are of this team, and when you don't see him out there tonight, a lot of those deficiencies become a little bit more amplified than than what you would see if LeBron was playing.
00:29:03
Yeah, very true. Very true.
00:29:05
Yeah, without LeBron, you're gonna notice a lot of those issues there.
00:29:09
I love that. By the way, in here in the chat.
00:29:11
Remember last year? So last year with the Lakers kept losing games, we had to be kind of the voice of reason.
00:29:16
We had to be the people kind of soothing everyone.
00:29:19
We've got people in the chat saying, Everybody relax, calm down.
00:29:23
We don't need no, no need to panic.
00:29:25
We're still a good team.
00:29:26
All of those things, it's It's kind of nice to see that it's not everybody freaking out and us coming along it saying It's saying everything's okay.
00:29:34
It's gonna be all right And then kind of being the what the therapy session or anything like that.
00:29:39
We've got people in the chat now that they're helping out with that effort.
00:29:43
Thank you.
00:29:44
Thank you to everyone that we know it's Christmas sale department.
00:29:45
A happy, festive mood.
00:29:46
They got the Christmas tree by baseball, right? You're probably seeing all that and getting all happy about it. But this is happening in April.
00:29:51
I'm sure all those government positive like that.
00:29:54
There's gonna be all kinds of angry.
00:29:56
Emoji is just let's let's move forward here.
00:29:59
All right, let's let's hope right now that Anthony Davis is okay because we already know LeBron's banged up.
00:30:05
He's got this, this Jurassic muscle injury, which, Yes, we all had to look up.
00:30:09
We had a little look up.
00:30:10
What a Jurassic muscle weighs, but Engine something is back.
00:30:14
We heard that it's actually kind of down around his rib, also a groin issue.
00:30:18
So we don't even know if LeBron's gonna play on Christmas.
00:30:22
Anthony Davis is now a little banged up the n ba like if Adam Silver had any hair left, you would be pulling it all out at this point.
00:30:28
Because if you look at that Christmas Day lineup, it's decimated.
00:30:32
It is a ghost town like the Warriors are on their the Raptors.
00:30:35
You actually had an amazing game tonight, but the Raptors are injury.
00:30:39
Are injury depleted.
00:30:40
You've got all of these teams that are missing major players due to injury.
00:30:44
If LeBron and or Anthony Davis are out, forget it.
00:30:49
The Christmas Day lineup is pretty shot for the NBA's right now, so they can't be too thrilled, But let's keep our fingers crossed.
00:30:56
Jazz.
00:30:57
And let's say that LeBron and Anthony Davis are playing on Christmas Day against the Clippers.
00:31:02
Let's preview that.
00:31:03
How do you see this game playing out? If the Lakers have all their pieces in place, I think it comes down to one thing.
00:31:09
And then And this is where the Lakers have beaten the good teams in the league and the teams that are the upper echelon teams like Denver before, like Utah before.
00:31:17
It's because they're getting contributions from the guys off the bench.
00:31:21
And so for me, I'm looking at I know the Clippers at not playing that great lately.
00:31:25
They're struggling, Mind you, they only they're only three games behind the Lakers, mind you in the standings, anyways in the top of the conference.
00:31:31
But on their resting guys like crazy on the executive and they're sitting off.
00:31:34
So I think they're gonna They're gonna get better and better as they go along.
00:31:37
But I do think it's gonna be very important for the Lakers to get a good game from a guy like KCP were you and buy a good game.
00:31:44
I mean, yeah, he's put in 10 12 13 points.
00:31:46
Hit the shots.
00:31:47
Danny Green hopefully hits three or 43 pointers that game.
00:31:50
So I mean, for me if the Lakers don't get contributions off from their bench guys and you're looking at some of the games where they struggled where they ended up with 18 to 24 25 points from the bench.
00:31:59
Guys, I think you're gonna see something similar to what happened in the opening game of the season.
00:32:03
Now, if the bench gets going and the Lakers can kind of control the pace and know that, okay, we're gonna get, you know, maybe 35 40 points from our our bench.
00:32:11
Guys, I think the Lakers win this game easily.
00:32:13
What are you thinking? It's gonna play out.
00:32:14
Yeah, I agree.
00:32:15
I think somebody else has to step up and I'm including Kyle Kuzma and that he's gonna have to make sure he steps up.
00:32:20
You need you need LeBron and 80 playing well.
00:32:24
And you need 20 points from somebody you need 20 from Cosmo, from whoever.
00:32:28
And then you need another 10 to 15 from another guy.
00:32:30
That's what I think you're gonna need in order to win this game.
00:32:33
Um, you need a few guys that have nice performances and I mean, look, I think this team is a better shooting team.
00:32:39
That what we've seen from them over the past week and 1/2 2 weeks.
00:32:42
I'm hoping that this is the game that the positive regression to the mean comes.
00:32:46
I'm hoping that this is the game, that they finally start clicking and we start to see those averages come back around, because that's what they're gonna need.
00:32:54
Now here's the thing.
00:32:55
In the first game, the way the Clippers won, that game is on the boards.
00:32:59
Okay? They sent multiple players to the boards, making sure the Lakers couldn't bully them inside.
00:33:05
We said going into the game right, that the Lakers, they were gonna win this game by being bigger, more physical, stronger in the paint.
00:33:12
Whereas the Clippers have the better perimeter defenders and the Clippers did everything they could to mitigate the Lakers ability to dominate inside by sending multiple players to the boards.
00:33:20
They got guys back.
00:33:22
They didn't worry so much about about crashing offensive boards.
00:33:25
They just their own offensive glass.
00:33:27
They just crashed the defense of boards, and it worked, and it worked.
00:33:30
They were able to kind of actually outrebound the Lakers, bully the Lakers a little bit inside, and that was an issue.
00:33:36
So I'm curious to see what the Lakers do to fix that, because again, I think this matchup still breaks down the same way.
00:33:41
Stylistically, the Clippers have the better perimeter players.
00:33:44
The Lakers have the better interviewer players.
00:33:46
Can they take advantage of that enough to mitigate what the Clippers could do on the perimeter? That's gonna be the battle here.
00:33:53
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:33:54
And And I think if if you're looking at this game, it's like this is a game where hopefully he's rested and hopefully he's not dealing with too many.
00:34:00
Ah, too much soreness or anything too serious in terms of injury.
00:34:03
This is a game with the need.
00:34:04
Anthony Davis scored 30 and kind of control the pain and, you know, have bad like Dwight Howard JaVale McGee, protecting the rim and fight.
00:34:11
You know, when guys like Ally Leonard Paul, George knew William, these guys are getting to the group.
00:34:16
They're able to variable to kind of change, change their shots and haven't affected in the paint.
00:34:20
And another guy.
00:34:21
I just love his game on the Clippers mantra.
00:34:23
Sterile.
00:34:24
So I'm looking for you.
00:34:25
Got to keep him off the glass because if he gets 567 offensive rebound, that guy's like a pogo stick, right? Jump back up and dunk it back down.
00:34:31
So I agree with you think they have to.
00:34:33
They have to be cognition of that.
00:34:34
But to me, it really does come down to getting contributions for more than just a beat, LeBron.
00:34:38
Because this this is a game that, you know it's gonna be in the 1 15 1 twenties, not in the low hundreds are high nineties like we saw today.
00:34:44
Yeah, agreed.
00:34:45
It's going to be It's going to be one of those games where, uh, look, it's gonna be a fight now and again.
00:34:51
That's assuming everyone.
00:34:52
If everyone is not healthy, it's gonna be a tough go, that's for sure.
00:34:55
Way don't have LeBron.
00:34:57
If you don't have either of LeBron or 80 it's going to be a challenge because, you know, the Clippers are playing their guys, you know they're gonna play Kawai, you know, they arrested him tonight.
00:35:06
DNP sore left knee.
00:35:09
Might as well just say load management on their way.
00:35:12
All know what's really going on there.
00:35:14
Patrick Beverley was another guy that they arrested tonight.
00:35:17
The Clippers have been resting Guys like crazy.
00:35:19
Yes, it's cost them some wins.
00:35:20
But you know, those guys are going to be really rare and I'm ready to go against the Lakers on Christmas.
00:35:26
So if the Lakers don't have both A d and LeBron, they're gonna have a tough go of things.
00:35:30
If they don't have either of them, that's gonna get gonna get real ugly.
00:35:35
Um, hopefully they will have them both.
00:35:37
And if they dio, I think that they have a decent shot here.
00:35:40
They could win this thing.
00:35:42
I I I would look at it if everybody is healthy.
00:35:45
I see it is a coin toss because I really do think the Lakers are a very good team, and I know they have been playing well and shooting well lately, but I still think there's going to be a positive regression to the mean coming.
00:35:55
There's going to be a game where they just shoot lights out because they're all do right now and Uh, hopefully that will be this game on Christmas Eve or on Christmas day.
00:36:04
I mean, no, you're right, man.
00:36:05
We haven't seen them go, you know, unconscious from from three point line and quite a while now where they had a big game from from beyond the arc. So I agree.
00:36:12
I don't think they're 28 bad.
00:36:13
I don't think there good.
00:36:15
I think there's somewhere the middle middle of the pack and being in the n b a term that three point shooting.
00:36:19
But you're right, man.
00:36:20
It is a coin talks, and and it just you have to look at the little factors that are gonna happen.
00:36:25
I'm interested to see how the Clippers play this out.
00:36:27
Because if they're sitting at, you know, 234 games behind the Lakers, let's say come time for February March and you've seen Kawai get some might talk.
00:36:35
You see, you get a night off.
00:36:36
I wonder if they say All right, you know what April, May or march.
00:36:39
And in April last 5 62 the season those guys don't get any days off.
00:36:44
So I'm interested to see how Doc Rivers and that staff is going to do this going forward.
00:36:48
But I agree with you.
00:36:49
I think that if all things being equal and everybody is healthy and ready to go, I think that should be the best game on the Christmas.
00:36:55
Basically.
00:36:56
Because that pelican, absolutely looking looking pretty.
00:36:59
Yeah, absolutely.
00:37:00
Pelicans are on there with no Zion.
00:37:02
Warriors are on there with no one, No. One.
00:37:05
Basically, you get the Raptors on there.
00:37:07
They're missing a lot of guys like Paschal Sockem ous.
00:37:10
Well, it's others yet.
00:37:12
Look, it's it's not gonna be great right for Christmas Day, and the NBA's can't be pleased.
00:37:16
So hopefully everybody is out there and ready to go.
00:37:19
Uh, we're gonna dive into our questions and comments here from fans, but but actually, before we get into a real quick, I think in terms of mentality, I feel like the Lakers need the Christmas Day win.
00:37:30
But Maur than the Clippers do as far as the psychological side of things, given the way they played recently, only after the three straight losses and I mean, mind you, they haven't had to bet.
00:37:41
No wonder their two best players for two of the three losses and 80 probably wasn't fully healthy on on Thursday as well against Milwaukee.
00:37:47
So I agree, guy.
00:37:48
And I think they do need to know that if they get the doors blown off again, people are gonna start questioning and the Lakers keep up with the Clippers and are they really good enough? And you know, they've got they've got their butts kicked place in a row.
00:37:58
So I think that's gonna be important as well.
00:38:00
Yeah, 100% agree with that.
00:38:02
It's gonna be important for the Lakers to pick up a win.
00:38:04
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00:39:55
1st 1 I've got Ryan Kapoor said.
00:39:59
We have from Facebook.
00:40:00
We have Jared Dudley on the roster.
00:40:02
Why? Why is Jared Dudley still here? And I feel like we've addressed this a few times just about every show.
00:40:08
But what does Jared Dudley bring? I know fans are frustrated when you don't see him out there on the on the floor, contributing.
00:40:16
I owe it to me.
00:40:17
He's a good guy and he's a guy you have in your tent.
00:40:18
11 10 11.
00:40:20
The guy on your roster in terms of he's able to hit some three pointers.
00:40:24
He's a great teammate.
00:40:25
We see them stick up for people and do that.
00:40:27
He was like that with Brooklyn last year as well, and you can hit some shots and you know what? He's not gonna come out and kill you.
00:40:32
He's also not gonna win you any games.
00:40:34
He's just a guy.
00:40:35
He's a depth feast.
00:40:36
I don't have any issues with your abilities, a cheap piece.
00:40:38
And and I think he does his job to the best of his ability.
00:40:41
What do you think about it? Yeah, I mean, look, I don't I don't have a problem with that.
00:40:44
I know people are saying Get rid of Jared Dudley, get Jamal Crawford instead.
00:40:48
You can argue and say, Look, there should be somebody else in that spot But I think given what the Lakers needed, he's fine looking in space the floor a little bit.
00:40:56
When he is out there, you can occasionally, not great angle when defending.
00:40:59
That's a win.
00:41:00
That's a guy that you need because it's going to further.
00:41:03
Kyle Cruise was development.
00:41:04
I think that's important.
00:41:05
I think that he's a great locker room guy.
00:41:07
He's a great leader and he does.
00:41:09
He does a great job, but he's out there on the floor and we haven't seen we saw it already.
00:41:14
He is not afraid to mix it up a little bit when times are tough.
00:41:18
Jared Dudley is that guy that's gonna help in the middle of the fray.
00:41:21
and every team needs that guy.
00:41:23
So I'm kind of glad to him.
00:41:25
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
00:41:26
And again, You don't know no n b.
00:41:27
A team made up of 12 superstars.
00:41:29
You do have bad sick during w your team, and you look back at a lot of championship teams.
00:41:33
They do have bad like that.
00:41:34
So I don't have any issues with him being on the roster more than I look it Troy Daniels and Quinn Cook and said, What the hell are they doing? Not another series, right? Yeah.
00:41:43
I mean, that's That's a job, Jared.
00:41:44
Only I think it is doing exactly what was advertised to do when you get when you signed on with the Lakers.
00:41:49
Right? Which, by the way, Quinn Cook, one of five shooting tonight in 17 minutes.
00:41:53
His first opportunity to play hasn't seen the floor since December 8th.
00:41:57
Did not really make the most of those minutes tonight.
00:42:00
Unfortunately, Yeah, I've got Roman raise.
00:42:03
Hey, Jazz and Trevor has father time caught up with LeBron.
00:42:09
I feel like this is kind of Ah, a knee jerk reaction here is father time cut up.
00:42:13
We've been spending most of the season, talking about how LeBron is somehow defying father time and turning in all these incredible throwback performances.
00:42:21
Hey, gets one injury and it suddenly Father time is catching up to him. I don't know.
00:42:26
I still think that he's been tremendous all season, and this is the first thing that's come up.
00:42:30
Um, that look, if it ends up being more serious than we think and he's out two weeks, three weeks a month, something like that, then maybe it's something to be more concerned about.
00:42:39
But Frank Vogel early earlier said he literally is day to day there.
00:42:42
Check out up day by day.
00:42:44
Um, wouldn't surprise me if you played on Christmas Day.
00:42:47
I'm not. I'm not all that concerned.
00:42:49
I think LeBron's had a great season.
00:42:51
No, father.
00:42:52
Time is you can look at us physically and And And if you see us out there doing actual exercise, no, Father time has caught up to me and Trevor at his lab.
00:42:58
That has happened.
00:43:00
Yes, yes, but when it comes to LeBron, No, I wouldn't say that.
00:43:03
I mean, every guy susceptible to injuries.
00:43:05
You wouldn't say that Father Time's caught up to Ah Anthony Davis for missing a game.
00:43:09
He's only 26 27 years old.
00:43:10
He wouldn't say that about Collide, Leonard.
00:43:11
All these guys do miss games, and it happens.
00:43:14
Throughout the season, he's been he's been remarkably healthy and very dependent, Thrones and rear if he does, you know.
00:43:21
And even if he does end up missing 10 games this season or 10 games in a row right now, I wouldn't attribute it to being father time.
00:43:26
I just attributed to being bad luck, and the guy got hurt playing a professional sport.
00:43:29
Yeah, which that happens.
00:43:31
That tends to happen when you play professional sports.
00:43:34
At some point, you get injured.
00:43:35
We can't all be a c green and just be the iron Men.
00:43:38
At some point, we have to.
00:43:39
Ah, you have to deal with some injuries here there.
00:43:42
Yep.
00:43:44
Let's see.
00:43:47
I'm gonna get in a few of the other other questions and comments here.
00:43:50
Just got to find a few good ones.
00:43:52
Uh, all right, Mr Brennan, from YouTube.
00:43:54
Do you feel the Lakers need to focus more on defense than offense in picking up players? 100 points with 20 turnovers and no LeBron looks like the defense should be the focus.
00:44:05
So should they focus more on the defensive side of things? Should they be looking at defense? First players, Right.
00:44:10
The offensive players, When we're talking about either the buyout or the trade market, I think they've been.
00:44:16
I think they're very good defensive team when they're locked in and they have all their guys in there.
00:44:19
You know, I don't have any issues with how they play that where they're gonna progress a little bit after.
00:44:24
They're really, really good starting some of the opponents that they played.
00:44:27
Yeah, I expected that to happen, but, uh, I think they need a mixture, too.
00:44:30
I honestly do.
00:44:31
I think they need to find a guy was a three and a guy who can bring your shooting and and defending the perimeter and be a good reliable.
00:44:37
But you can have on the court at the end of games.
00:44:39
But I mean, if I had to choose between the two right now and I'm saying this based on what I've seen the last two or three weeks on this team, I think it's very important that they get a guy who can who could score and and be a guy who can penetrate against defense, create the offense.
00:44:52
I think defense goes secondary to offense.
00:44:54
How do you look at it? Yeah, at this point, I think that the defense of foundation that's in place is pretty good and they've got some good defenders on the squad.
00:45:02
I think they need somebody that can get in and light it up.
00:45:05
Somebody they can actually run the offense with LeBron isn't out there.
00:45:07
I think that's the more glaring weakness at this point, then the defense of side of things.
00:45:11
And I think they showed that tonight when they really put forth the effort and they really get after it, they could be a good defensive team.
00:45:16
Even without LeBron, what they can't be without LeBron is a good offensive team, so I think you need somebody that get out there and put the ball in the basket.
00:45:26
Let's see, Josh King said.
00:45:28
Without without draft picks.
00:45:30
Hey said, he said.
00:45:32
Dead picks.
00:45:33
But I'm assuming we mean draft picks there.
00:45:35
I hope so.
00:45:36
I don't know what that is that that stuff for for Halloween to get the wrong holiday here without traffic, saying Cruz was low salary.
00:45:43
Do we even have the assets for a decent trade? Josh? Look, if I'm trying to be unbiased here no, they don't.
00:45:53
They don't have that many assets available.
00:45:55
But Rob Pelinka has been extremely creative in the past.
00:45:58
And so I wouldn't put it past him, figuring out something, figure out some way to bring in a piece that helps them.
00:46:04
But in terms of getting like a blockbuster deal, like go get, uh, a quasi I star level like go get, like, a drew holiday or something like that.
00:46:12
That's not happening.
00:46:13
It is not.
00:46:14
They don't have the pieces to make that kind of move.
00:46:17
Yeah, I'm with you.
00:46:18
I mean, we we talked about this a lot, You know that They just don't have the draft picks.
00:46:21
They don't have the capital room.
00:46:22
They don't have the guys that other teams one s o to us.
00:46:25
It's either gonna have to come like you said from a very creative solution in terms of maybe some sort of weird three way trade or something.
00:46:31
But ah, the other option is kind of looking at doing it.
00:46:34
The buyout market, where you're gonna get older players who again are on the downside of their career.
00:46:39
Nobody's buying up players and in their in their private, their life in the prime of their career.
00:46:43
So you're gonna Look, guys, we're on the down side mid thirties, and we know there's one guy that everybody's kind of clamoring for.
00:46:48
And that's That's Andre Iguodala.
00:46:50
Yep, and the latest on him.
00:46:51
And we talked about this on the last podcast was that was that the Dallas Mavericks say they're not going to try to trade for him.
00:46:57
No, that's that's good for the Lakers.
00:46:59
The more teams say, no, Memphis, we're not falling for it.
00:47:02
You're gonna have to buy amount.
00:47:03
That's better for the Lakers because they don't have the pieces to trade for him. Wouldn't make sense.
00:47:07
And stacking up all those salaries won't work.
00:47:09
Speaking, which on Facebook, Tommy Tommy Cortez, would you take on Chris Paul's salary? They can't really.
00:47:16
They don't have the pieces to trade to make that work.
00:47:19
They don't have like a big expiring contract to send out or anything like that.
00:47:23
So they really can't swing a trade for Chris Paul.
00:47:27
But let's say let's say they did would you take on that salary? I'd say Probably not.
00:47:32
Because it's so long term.
00:47:34
Like any deal that goes past two years.
00:47:36
At this point, I mean, no shot at Yonas in 2020.
00:47:41
Now, you want to give up a shot Ayanna Santa to Cooper or a number of other free agents that are on the market that summer.
00:47:47
LeBron could be walking away that summer.
00:47:49
You might still have Anthony Davis.
00:47:51
You want to be able to sell a D on? Hey, look, if LeBron does leave us, we're gonna have a ton of cap space.
00:47:55
We could go get a guy like you, honest.
00:47:57
We can go get some of these other players that are out there.
00:48:00
Uh, I don't think you sacrifice that for a Chris Paul.
00:48:03
As much as I think Chris Paul is an amazing player.
00:48:06
I don't think I want to be the team playing.
00:48:08
Paying him $40 million.
00:48:09
2 years from now.
00:48:11
No, I mean, I agree 100%.
00:48:13
If you could have got him for one year, like a rental for the rest of the season that you will find a way to make the cap work. Absolutely.
00:48:19
But if you're screwed up your chances going forward to not only be a good team, a championship contender now, but continually be that no, it's just not worth it. Yeah.
00:48:27
Now, you if something happened in Okay, see? But this is not going to happen.
00:48:31
Don't Don't get me wrong.
00:48:33
But if Okay, see, suddenly bought out Chris Paul.
00:48:35
And you could just bring him onto the team is a free agent.
00:48:38
Yes, of course.
00:48:39
All day, every day without a second, without hesitation.
00:48:42
You do that right? Absolutely.
00:48:44
I think you'd be a great fit, but the contract makes it so just it doesn't work.
00:48:49
It's not absolutely not gonna work for them.
00:48:51
Uh, let's see.
00:48:55
Some people say you not Chris Paul.
00:48:57
I get it.
00:48:58
I get that ex Clipper stink is kind of calling to him.
00:49:01
I understand all of that.
00:49:02
Louise from YouTube saying LeBron is leaving with a bunch of question marks.
00:49:07
That's it.
00:49:08
He is a player option a year, Guys, he is a player option.
00:49:11
Which would mean that he would be done after that summer.
00:49:13
He could Who knows? Maybe he retires.
00:49:15
Maybe he could.
00:49:16
He could sign another contract.
00:49:17
He could play another four years past that, right? Like I'm not saying he's leaving.
00:49:22
I'm just saying he's got a player option that summer.
00:49:24
That's does it.
00:49:25
He might pick it up.
00:49:26
He might wind up playing another season with the Lakers and then leaving.
00:49:29
Maybe he declines it.
00:49:30
And he signed a new deal, tons of options on the table, just saying there's the possibility he will be under contract.
00:49:36
At that point, that's all Nick Dougherty.
00:49:41
If the Wolves buyout, Jefty, would you want the Lakers to take a gamble on him? Uh, for one, I don't think the Wolves are buying out Jeff Teague.
00:49:48
I think they would trade him rather than buy him out.
00:49:50
But yes, absolutely.
00:49:51
That's the type of player that I would 100% take a gamble on.
00:49:54
Yeah, he's a guy.
00:49:55
Come off the bench and kind of fill some of the holes that we were talking about off the top of the show that they need to have guys who can penetrate and dish and and hits him open threes and be a little bit better defender than Rondo.
00:50:04
So yes, 100% if that was happening, agree with you there's no way it's going to be.
00:50:08
Jeff Cheek would be a great option for the Lakers.
00:50:10
Yeah, I would definitely be okay with that.
00:50:12
Not that he's had an amazing season or anything.
00:50:14
But again, that's the type of player that you'd be looking for.
00:50:17
Ah Stewart, Percy from periscope said.
00:50:19
Can the Lakers trade Kuzma? Yes, absolutely can.
00:50:23
Problem is, he only makes 1.
00:50:24
9 million, and he hasn't had a great season so far.
00:50:27
So you in terms of salary matching, let's say you want to go get Dennis Schroder K off top my head.
00:50:34
I know this salaries, right, but let's say he's making 15 million.
00:50:37
Great.
00:50:38
Let's just say Dennis Rader's making 15 million and you decide he's the piece that you need and you're gonna go trade Kyle, who's gonna get him? 1.
00:50:45
9 million isn't going to get closer.
00:50:47
You have to get within 125% of that 15 million over to make that trade.
00:50:52
So then you're stacking up other contracts, and so that's where it gets complicated.
00:50:55
At just 1.
00:50:56
9 million, Cosmo's a tremendous value, but in terms of trade, bringing back a valuable piece.
00:51:02
That's probably gonna make a lot more than that.
00:51:04
It makes things really complicated and especially complicated when you have an $8 million salary.
00:51:09
Like in TV's couple.
00:51:10
Pope, who has, in fact Oh, no trade clause, as does javale McGee.
00:51:14
As does Roger Rondo.
00:51:16
You quickly start running out of options to put into a deal that would even build you up to that type of salary.
00:51:20
So, yes, you can trade Kyle Kuzma.
00:51:23
But doing so is actually pretty difficult.
00:51:27
Yeah, and and you're right.
00:51:28
I mean, what are you gonna believe? You try and trade crucify straight up, One for one with, you know, you can't make it where you're not gonna get much back at a $2 billion a year of guys.
00:51:35
So I just don't think it's an option.
00:51:36
I think the cruise is on this team for the long term, unless they unless they choose not to sign them or they can package them with something else so they could do it.
00:51:44
I just don't see it happening.
00:51:45
At least not this season.
00:51:47
Yeah, agreed.
00:51:48
It's it's not something that's gonna happen right now.
00:51:49
At least I don't think so, unless somebody blows them away with an offer that we weren't We weren't expecting.
00:51:54
Hey, you know what? Somebody comments on here saying, doesn't Dennis shooter make like 21 million? No, he doesn't.
00:52:00
I was actually really, really close.
00:52:02
He makes 15.5 million.
00:52:04
So good guess.
00:52:05
Pat myself on the back here is pretty good. Pretty good.
00:52:09
Ah, a lot more people saying Jamal Crawford.
00:52:13
What you think Jazz said this? Have we Have we come around on Jamal Crawford yet or is that still affirmed? You know what? I will say That I'm not opposed to it.
00:52:22
If you have the roster spot open there, you want to you know, Taylor and Tucker put it back down.
00:52:26
And would you be which they don't? Yeah, Yeah.
00:52:28
I mean, they don't at this point where you gotta create space for him.
00:52:32
Wherever you think you could help, you're gonna take a flier on a guy went on.
00:52:35
But, I mean, you gotta make sure you're not worsening team that you have in front of you right now, but I mean, okay, let me ask you this.
00:52:39
Troy Daniels or Jamal Crawford right now, Jamal Corporate in street clothes, coming off and come into play.
00:52:44
What do you like better? Jamal Crawford? Okay, at this point, and that's and that's not trying to be a knock on Troy Daniels.
00:52:50
He just hasn't given them what they needed.
00:52:52
And there's a chance that Jamal Crawford could.
00:52:55
And so I could see that.
00:52:56
But if you're the Lakers perspective, you still have to pay Troy Daniels, right? So then you're gonna play Troy Daniels and Jamal Crawford at the same time, like Troy Daniels can do some good things out there for them.
00:53:07
And you can probably defended a higher level than Jamal Crawford can.
00:53:10
But but knowing that you need someone who could get out there and score if you were to sign him to a non guaranteed deal, knowing that if it's not working out you go try somebody else, I'd be at least willing Thio go that route.
00:53:23
I think it's an interesting Andy. Anyway.
00:53:25
I'm one with you on that.
00:53:28
Somebody said he can get his own shot.
00:53:30
That's it.
00:53:31
That's exactly that's why that's the one thing they'll be interesting about Jamal Crawford.
00:53:34
But he tends to take a lot of long twos.
00:53:36
He's not gonna help you defensively.
00:53:39
There's a whole list of reasons why you'd be concerned about doing that.
00:53:41
So I totally understand if the Lakers would would pass on doing something like that.
00:53:45
Yeah, I'm going with you Don ish Akhtar from YouTube said.
00:53:51
Clippers have four plus guys who can score 20.
00:53:53
And if Kawai and Paul George have an off night, they could still have Lou and trends and a deep bench player.
00:53:58
How do you think we can beat the Clippers in a seven game series? Um, again, it's kind of like what we already outlined being bigger and stronger and more physical than them on the interior, right? I mean, yes, Lou Williams can get going.
00:54:10
Yes, Montrose Harold can get going.
00:54:12
They've got those guys who can score.
00:54:14
But at the top end, Can LeBron James keep pace with them? Can, uh, can Anthony Davis keep pace there and then can you get 20 points a night from a from one of Cosma and Danny Green and some of these other players that they've got? Maybe it's a long shot, but yes, I do think there is a path for the Lakers to beat the Clippers in a seven game series of the playoffs.
00:54:34
Oh, to me, the pathogen.
00:54:35
Anthony Davis and LeBron James.
00:54:37
Don't forget the Clippers got to be able to sell those guys down for four out of seven times, too.
00:54:40
So that's what I think makes that serious.
00:54:42
So appealing to not only Lakers and Clippers fan, but eh, NBA fans in basketball fans in general is Bill how those teams and you mentioned the contrast in styles and how they match up.
00:54:51
So it says so to me.
00:54:52
Yes, the Clipper.
00:54:53
The Lakers can beat the Clippers in a seven game series.
00:54:54
They have.
00:54:55
They have the guys to be able to do it.
00:54:57
Yeah, they definitely d'oh! And it's gonna be fascinating if they do wind up running into each other in the playoffs.
00:55:03
All right, let's do one more question before we get out of here before we call it an evening and family from YouTube said, Our players do not make threes consistently.
00:55:14
No one's a real threat on making threes.
00:55:16
Uh, other than David Greene, can we go after J. J.
00:55:21
Red****? Yes, but the money again, I think the money problem.
00:55:27
And on top of that, the pelicans are gonna be just trying t o takeaway Maur assets from the Lakers.
00:55:34
I don't think the pelicans are the team that you trade with to begin with in order to go get like a J J. Red**** style piece.
00:55:40
I don't know that look, he's a great three point shooter, and you could certainly use that.
00:55:44
But I need somebody who can create offense a little bit. J.
00:55:47
J Red**** is is amazing at running off of screens, but I think you need somebody that can actually handle the ball a little bit and create their own shot on their own.
00:55:55
And I don't think that's really J J.
00:55:56
Red**** at this point.
00:55:57
So, yeah, that's that wouldn't be the first guy not saying I'd be upset if they went and got him.
00:56:03
But finding the pieces to trade for him first ball is difficult.
00:56:07
And then even if you do, I don't know if he solves the problems that the Lakers have, at least in their entirety.
00:56:14
Yeah, you know, I think that's where you look at Cosmo, too.
00:56:17
And I think you know, we know that Kuzma is the fit Next to LeBron hasn't been great Let's just call it what it is of the last couple seasons, but that's gonna knock on him.
00:56:26
Is you need him? Kind of maybe cutting Maura and he's not really bad.
00:56:29
Isn't coming off screens and a spot up shooter like that, your curling on slasher and catching it.
00:56:34
He's a slasher, and you know what he's again.
00:56:36
A guy who is not able to go to the hoop and feel that find the open man outside for a three point or find a nice little dish down low.
00:56:42
That's never been his strength, like you mentioned J. J. Red**** again.
00:56:45
Fascinating guy to have on your team.
00:56:47
I don't think it would help the Lakers, but I just don't think he's at the top of the list right now.
00:56:51
In terms of potential people.
00:56:52
They want to bring it.
00:56:53
Yes, and I don't look at this team and go man.
00:56:55
This team is a J.
00:56:56
J.
00:56:57
Red**** away from being a championship team.
00:56:59
Yeah, I think that's what it comes out.
00:57:01
Okay, guys, Uh, thank you, Tony.
00:57:04
Yo, from YouTube said Robert Covington is the answer.
00:57:07
Yes, yes, he's our guy.
00:57:08
That that type of player that would be a perfect fit.
00:57:12
He's not gonna be give he coming for any cheaper, cheap price or anything like that that, like the Lakers, aren't gonna be able to just crammed together if you're their bench players and turn that into Robert Covington like, that's not He's a pretty He's a player that's in high demand around the league.
00:57:26
Oh, yeah, that's not gonna happen, But but that type of player, that's that's the type that I'd be looking for on the wing anyway.
00:57:32
All right, guys, I want to say thank you to everybody coming in from YouTube coming in from Facebook.
00:57:35
Live committed from periscope.
00:57:37
Thank you guys for joining us.
00:57:38
Thank you for all of our questions.
00:57:39
Appreciate all of this.
00:57:42
Uh, somebody from periscope.
00:57:43
Just ask.
00:57:44
Do we have to cut someone for Iggy? Yes.
00:57:46
You would have to cut someone in order, bring in under a dollar just to answer that real quick Jazz.
00:57:50
Thank you so much for joining me.
00:57:51
Obviously you are traveling.
00:57:53
You're with family.
00:57:54
Thank you for taking the time to Ah, come on here anyway.
00:57:57
Oh, any time I'm looking for the Christmas night already.
00:57:59
Hopefully it's all fully healthy.
00:58:00
and we get to watch a good one because, as we said, the rest that's late.
00:58:03
I don't think I would be watching too much basketball on Christmas Day, then that game. So that's right.
00:58:08
Hopefully, hopefully it's a merry Christmas for us in Laker land and Chris Masters is going to join us on Christmas night.
00:58:14
So we'll have all three of us together chatting and talking Lakers basketball.
00:58:17
So hopefully you guys come back, join us, then we'll be talking about Lakers versus Clippers. Postgame.
00:58:22
Hopefully, everybody stays healthy.
00:58:24
Fingers crossed that LeBron and 80 are able to play in that one because that would certainly be a big, big help if the Lakers do hope to pick up a win against the Clippers again, guys, make sure you support our sponsors up time.
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