Welcome back into the We got nits Podcast Coming to You Live on the SportsCastr Network here on a Thursday afternoon, the day off for the Brooklyn Nets, following a disappointing loss at home, 1 13 to 108 to the Charlotte Hornets.
As we said, we'd be coming back in here just to kind of go over a couple of the notes from the post game press conference and then some other maybe bigger news in terms of roster moves getting made here with the anticipation of the return of Wilson Chandler from his 25 game suspension for P D violations, We first take a look at the post game.
We'll just highlight one player in this one.
Jared Allen gets gets asked a couple of questions here afterwards.
Certainly we highlighted this during the game.
A little bit of thought.
Maybe that this was, Ah, team that the Brooklyn Nets We're taking a little bit for granted in.
The Charlotte Hornets had played some tough matchups early in the year, But you get those 1st 2 victories.
You kind of feel like you can just chalk this one up is a W and then certainly looking ahead to some difficult matchup.
So starting tomorrow with the Toronto Raptors up in Toronto but again, expectations of of of beating them that third time maybe contributed to being, ah, little bit lax, a daisy ical in their focus.
And then beyond that, they were also asked about it.
I mean, a little bit cliche, but still about whether or not this lack of focus, or maybe attention to detail, or being mentally ready to go and get a win against the Charlotte Hornets at home hasn't perked you up.
Now, with two games against the Toronto Raptors again north of the border and then coming home to take on the 76 years, Allen said, certainly into a wake up call.
You know we will be fully locked in on these next couple of games coming up as we transition over thinking from not just what he was saying that talked about what was the difference there from the first half to the second half, Alan, very effective, gave a nice stat line.
Even DeAndre Jordan contributed there in the first half, a cZ well highlighted that the Charlotte Hornets switched to his own defense and then at that point, you're starting to have less easy looks on rebounds, certainly unless opportunities to cut in towards the basket, Um, and then that also going along with his own.
He's talking about how that leaves all five in the paint, which impacts the rebounding and, again, the cuts to the rim.
So in the first half, they were cleaning up on the boards of certainly giving themselves in second chance opportunities.
And even some put back looks not nearly as effective in that second half.
Over on the Kenny Atkinson side of things, really a lot of similar stuff, he thought that they did switch over and certainly they weren't able to make the adjustments.
He takes a little bit of it on the chin there in terms of him needing to make the coaching staff need to make adjustments there to find effective ways to get into the rhythm.
Obviously, he thought coming off of two days arrest, having played games basically every other night for a stretch, there felt like they were going to come in a little bit fresher, a little bit more mentally fresh as well.
Nevertheless, it and they're kind of being that they almost looked fatigued in this one.
Certainly a little bit lax.
A Daisy Cole on both sides, Uh, said that.
Just like saying that there was out of sync.
He talked about again.
They asked him about three point shooting.
Being often this one again highlight just seemed like a little out of rhythm.
You know, the feeds coming into those looks, weren't it strongly highlighted during the game? Player like Joe Harris certainly struggled a little bit on this one, not just from a shooting stand point, but I really took a look at it and thought this was a game where you saw him step out of bounds twice within a series of possessions.
Ah, highlighted as well again by a disappointing shooting night for him, just one of eight from beyond the arc.
And this really was the theme There.
Just 10 of 38 is a team from three point range.
Again, we mentioned that Jared Allen's up over 15 16 points there in that first half, and yet I only finishes with 21 finishes with just 10 rebounds, a fairly low number for him, 14 rebounds for DeAndre Jordan, but again, a player this this bench had 27 points in the first half.
He had seven in that first half finishes with just nine.
So certainly the ability to continue to get those easy looks around the rim to make an impact on the offensive glass and give second chance opportunities was not there as well.
The other thing was, Ah, the consistency of the play. He thought.
Kenny Atkinson mentioned the postgame, also saying, They just didn't seem like on both ends of the floor.
So obviously, there's consistency in the rhythm of the passing, finding the open shooters, making those extra fees that we were so excited about in the Denver Nuggets game, talking about the Christmas within this system.
And then in this game, the letdown kind of carried on both ends of the floor.
Lapses in communication, necessarily, but just, you know, players that did not look like there was locked in as you thought they should be.
Every single night, you need to be focused.
But it seemed a little bit lackadaisical, little bit of lack of consistency in terms of getting out and covering on some of these three point shooters as well as we saw the Hornet shooting this one from beyond the arc, noting that 26 of 30 sorry, the 15 of 35 there gotta get that adverti*****t at least once every episode.
So nearly basically 43% from beyond the arc.
That's a recipe for disaster when you're shooting that high volume from a defensive perspective.
Some of them were difficult shots, but a lot of them were open looks.
So that's about getting over on those defensive rotations and making sure that you're communicating and covering for one another.
As you move through this, we talk about the specifically about.
Graham goes for a career high 40 big night for him.
Obviously, this was a game where just to give you his final stat line one more time goes 12 21 from the field, seven of 12 from beyond the arc.
Nine of 11 of the line kicked in five rebounds along with his five assists.
But obviously, the 40 point night is the big stat line for him.
Um, you know Kenny Atkinson said.
They tried to switch up a couple of the pick and rolls, run a couple of different defenders Adam to feel like he said that maybe they couldn't blitz them on, tried to double team out of possession.
Ah, and again, this is an area where he has to take responsibility for it and did saying These are some choices and decisions that as a coaching staff, we could have made to try to impact Graham and get him out of his rhythm.
Ultimately again, And I think I said this may be in the midway through the fourth quarter, maybe even early in the fourth quarter.
This just felt like a game that was destined to shift in the direction of Charlotte.
It looked like the Nets came out in that first half and basically played like a team that was better than the opposition, right, and then that's what they are.
Ultimately, Charlotte is not as good a team as the Brooklyn Nets.
But as you start to work through the game, you see Charlotte's not going away.
I kept highlighting at halftime when you're only up 11 when you had a lead is biggest 20 means you left the door open a little bit there and then it began to that fourth quarter.
We obviously know all the sudden Charlotte comes back, compute competes, completes the comeback, takes the lead and then you're in this back and forth battle and a bad point.
When you start to look inside the numbers, you know, you're you're feeling like, boy, these three, these three point shots are not necessarily gonna go down.
The zone defense that they've shifted to is now starting to nice.
Some of the penetration from Spencer didn't Winnie and other players to get into the lane with a little bit more consistency as well.
So all of a sudden things start breaking down the offensive end.
And in the last thing that Atkinson also mentioned, there was, ah, highlighting about needing.
You want to feel like at the very least, you could get some stops on the defensive end.
They've been playing strong defensive basketball of late, and suddenly here, it just felt like you got in that back and forth, up and down the court, you know, going shot for shot with Charlotte.
And while you were able to knock some down there later in the game, ultimately I looked at it and just felt like, you know, you knew that Charlotte was in this consistent offensive rhythm and that you were struggling to get these looks on the other end.
So being able to kind of lock yourself in and really get some of those stops would have come up a certainly key here.
And as we do highlight, that is gonna be the next thing that we move on to here in just a moment as ah, our coup three.
Good to see you back in here on the broadcast.
The last thing was that when you have that 20 point lead, when you have that 16 point lead, Kenny Atkinson did mention saying that he did feel like that was the opportunity there where you do what I was saying.
It put your foot down, really make it clear the Charlotte Hornets that they weren't gonna have a chance to come back in this one and said it always felt like you were gonna give him a little bit of a chance, A little bit of a run there.
And then ultimately it plays out that way.
And the nets full.
We talked about that to 16 to 16 and 1/2 lines had take the over on it a bit of a flip flop in the scoreline, but it certainly got up over that number as well.
I probably would look to this more in the 1 13 toe. Wanna wait.
One of five in favor of the Brooklyn Nets doesn't pan out to our coup.
Three's mentioning here.
That is the other big news in anticipation of the return of Ah Wilson Chandler from that 25 game P E D suspension.
It's a little bit surprising we talked about this on the last podcast episode.
Doug and myself will be getting back together tomorrow, so there will be an episode out and available for everyone.
Ah, head of the match up against the Toronto Raptors.
Tomorrow night's enough to take a look at that.
It's going to be probably a brief look at this wrap up game in Charlotte highlights some of the issues we saw and then focusing on the roster moves and what to expect in the Toronto Raptors game and also the 70 Sixers game.
So this will be a nice episode to tune in for, because we'll be Highland.
These two big matchups and what we anticipate from the Brooklyn Nets So, uh, with Wilson Chandler about to come back here one more game off.
Ah, they actually go ahead and wave Amman.
So Doug and I were talking about this.
We thought certainly the Nawab A has shown enough to deserve keeping a roster spot for himself.
We also thought that Pinson was probably the guy on the outside looking in here.
We really been highlighting the veteran presence of Shumpert.
The last match up against Charlotte did a great job against Grant, forcing turnovers.
This last game, not as strong, did a little bit.
A little bit of us more shooting the maybe wanted to do necessarily.
But in a game that felt his joint, I think you would have taken the run from anyone you could have gotten it from.
But I was pretty positive with him.
I thought that it was the veteran presence really showing you some good things on the defensive side of the ball.
And yet he does ultimately get waved as they start to create that space in anticipation of Wilson Chandler coming back.
We go inside here with the quote from Kenny Atkinson.
I think Chandler strength is important.
He's a strong and physical guy, which is a helpful piece for us.
Ah, and he's a mature player.
He's been the legal while now.
Also went on to say he's got a lot of credibility in the league, which helps him in so many ways will help us improve quite honestly.
So I mean, listen, I mean, that's kind of boilerplate statements.
And around him, I think that Shumpert has a lot of credibility in the league.
And, uh, isn't that selling out from a size standpoint? You're getting something different there. Certainly.
Um, now this is where he said, there is a decision to be made, and we all understand that it's a tough decision when when? Uh when you're playing well, So if he had lost in a six in a row, it would make it easier.
But right now it makes a little bit more difficult.
So ah Mahn Shopper will be getting waved in favor off Tyson.
Start Tyson Chandler in favor of Wilson Chandler.
And we'll go inside here because I guess the interesting thing that I will highlight is we talked about that is more of a defensive presence, obviously not the offensive game that you're concerned about.
The interesting thing that certainly goes along with it is that he does have injury history, some back issues, knee issues.
So you know, keeping it healthy is going to be the important thing, certainly from a Brooklyn that standpoint.
Wilson Chandler does come in at 68 so ah, you know, he gives you a little bit more size.
Ah mahn Shumpert.
Do you think a little bit more physicality on the defensive and I I align him Maur in the vein of Garrett Temple in terms of size and build.
We'll see if that if that bears out when we catch him on the court here.
But I do think that when you look across this roster as strong and Shumpert was playing for this team defensively, you do think about those size matchups having to get into some of these perimeter battles with with some bigger teams.
And that's when I think you start to look at and say, Okay, Wilson Chandler offers a little bit more sized, little more physical presence there that's going to allow us to match up better there and and again listed as a shooting forward.
Um You know, I think that this probably makes sense in terms of a depth perspective as well.
We don't have a lot of forward son of a lot of size of the forward position mentioned about Kourou, Kes being shifted down there into the G League.
He has not seen any run on the offense on this unit at all over these last handful of games.
So, um, you know, listen, it's a little bit disappointing.
Kenny Atkinson's quote regarding Shumpert been a spark plug.
He's really what we asked for on a printer defender, a guy that can guard multiple positions.
And then he's also ah, great spirit in the locker room.
So it certainly hasn't been easy having this go that way.
We go inside when we're talking about a Taurean Prince and Joe Harris mentioning about Shumpert.
He's, Ah, very unique personality.
Just brings that energy, that entertainment every every time you see him was Harris speaking on Shumpert.
I was just with him in Cleveland and he was authentically himself.
He doesn't change for anybody in that People love him, so I mean, you are talking about a guy again and we highlight this on the podcast as well.
This is just a consistent player.
You knew what you were getting from him on a game In game out basis, you lose one veteran presence, you gain another one.
I'm sure that Wilson Chandler is going to be in that same vein as a guy that folds right in here with the locker room and starts to get into a rhythm.
I am a little bit interested to think, because I don't know what the Nets expected to get from Shumpert when they signed him on.
I think he probably exceeded expectations in some ways.
So from that standpoint, maybe that's why I was kind of thinking this could be a guy that moved the needle enough to deserve a roster spot.
But then again, you talk about ball handling ability, someone who can lead the up the court.
And that's where I think Pinson.
We've seen him in that role in that second unit of playing the point guard.
Essentially, that has been probably something that you see a little bit of value from him as well.
But knowing that he can be someone who gets on bowl when even if Spencer Dinwiddie transitions a little bit to the first unit, even at the return off Kyrie Irving.
And right now that still games away for Kyrie Irving.
So we highlighted that as well, that this is a guy who has yet to do physical contact drills.
So his return is probably a handful of games away, at least still at this point.
So that being said, you're talking about who else is gonna handle the ball? If didn't what? He's still in that first line up, then you look too Pinson.
Nawab has certainly done it a little bit.
You see other guys to get on the ball, working through.
Even Joe Harris brings up the court at times, but in terms of on the bullet dribblers.
That's one of the things that Doug, actually Norrie, had mentioned in our last one about you see him, Amman Shumpert sometimes get a little bit sloppy on the with the ball, his dribble on that sort of thing on the offensive end.
So I think again when you have a relatively small margins for error when you're missing two of your big starters, then from that standpoint, Kenny Atkinson, Sean Marks starts to look at these pieces of the roster and say, I need a little bit of versatility and then also dependability, knowing on a game to game basis what I'm gonna get out of these players.
And that's why you highlighted guy like Garrett Temple.
You've already been on the lock in and nobody's gonna give you on the defensive.
And now he's shown you over the start of the year that you're going to be able to depend on him, rely on him for consistency on the offensive end and give you some nice numbers on a game to game basis.
So as Kyrie comes back as Caris, Levert comes back now, you look into that second.
You didn't say we have some offensive options.
Nawab has shown that he can do some things for you on the offensive end, driving and penetrating towards the basket.
Garrett Temple has the perimeter shot, you know, though, both those players and what does a guy that could defend multiple positions? Garrett Temple, a strong defender as well.
So now you're talking about having that balance throughout the roster, and that's really where I think it comes down to that Shumpert essentially being a low percentage shooter on the offensive end.
Not strong from the from the outside, Really, a mid range game is where he's best suited.
Defensively, obviously conduce from great things for you, but in terms of redundancies, you think about Penson can handle the ball and bring it up.
The court, at times can also get to the basket here and there has some streaky outside shooting at times, but certainly gives you that look.
And then you think about what Wilson Chandler brings to it.
I was just looking up in the background here, going from six foot 86 foot five, the difference in height and size there.
So now you're talking about a guy that you want to be a defensive shoot, a defensive stopper for you.
Now you get some more flexibility there and give your team an opportunity.
Get better matchups on the defensive end because by and large, I think you from game to game basis.
This is where you are seeing some of those matchups where guys are just playing up a size and trying to defend trying to stop some of these physical, larger bodies on other teams and Wilson Chandler should contribute to that again.
Veteran player jumper.
Not a young guy, either.
Be interesting to see what happens from this year into next year with a guy like Wilson Chandler.
Obviously, this is kind of those collections of veterans that come in around Kyrie and Cady along with that DeAndre Jordan movement.
These are some of the players that they probably liked and wanted to see on this roster, and and that's, you know, that can play a big factor as to why a Wilson Chandler kept himself a roster spot in spite of the P D suspension.
Be interesting to see how he comes back.
Obviously, we'll be looking forward to this.
Ah, well, again, this next matchup will mark the 25th game and then we'll be eligible to return, which would be on that match up against the Philadelphia 76 years back home at Barclays, you know? So the intro and the hard part about this too, by the way, is that the Nets will go to mention this on the broadcast last night.
They're gonna have to go up to Toronto and then come back the next day and play again If I'm not mistaken, I'll double check the dates on this here just to be sure.
Yeah, so it will be.
So it's Saturday game.
I'm thinking I'm a day off here, so we'll probably come back in tomorrow and talk a little bit more about the Toronto matchup, which will be on Saturday the 14th.
So that podcast that will come out tomorrow probably come out sometime in the afternoon.
So you have the full evening and then the rest of Saturday to kinda just that.
But nevertheless, Saturday's game 7:30 p.m.
Up in Toronto, getting back down six game on Sunday.
So you have a little bit of time to rest there? Certainly.
And then you get a day off in between before you head out to New Orleans to take on the pelicans.
But these air too tough matchups.
Obviously, if you're going to be without Kyrie for both of these games, you're going to be undersized and a little bit outmanned.
One of the best footnotes that I would also bring up we'll look back at this game then, Charlie, you know, fairly thin loss for right now.
We highlighted the groups within getting minute shares.
You know, Shumpert.
Shumpert will certainly get it runs in there, but given pits to getting some looks happy.
But I think it probably has to do with just trying to keep everybody fresh and try to buy some minutes that you could get those nice runs like in the first half on The second unit did a fantastic job, but ultimately, I think they've finished with just about 37 or 39 points there.
So 27 in the first half, 10 to 12 in the second, and you see how a ll these bodies were trying to start, slow down and maybe could use a night off.
I'm sure Spencer did what he could use a game off it some point here just to give himself refraction.
And no one's gonna make this kind of excuses.
And I'm not saying that they know they need it, But when you don't have guys that can, you can lean on consistently like Kyrie.
So Kyrie rises up for a game, and then it's didn't Woody's opportunity.
Then it's caress liver.
And then Tory on Prints and Joe Harris are able to do a little bit smaller rules, but do them at a higher rate, higher success rate because they don't do as much heavy lifting.
Not to mention not just offensively but defensively as well.
So these Listen, these are some of the brief takeaways that we saw certainly from that game, Not gonna overreact to it.
I really liked the win against Denver.
I think that's more in line with what you're gonna get from this team.
I'll be interested to see how they come out a sock.
Um, is going to be a handful up there in Toronto.
Certainly he has continued to develop his game.
He's getting smoother and more consistent working in towards the basket.
So those were going to be issues there.
You know you have Castle as well.
You still have Kyle Lowry back in the mix.
There's plenty of plenty of weapons up on Toronto that are going to create problems for us as they come off a Lhasa last night as well, losing to the returning Kawai Leonard with the L. A Clippers.
So you know it's going to see how these next two games play out.
I think this will be a nice barometer Doug, and I'll dive into this tomorrow.
The podcast, nice barometer about where this team really stands.
Even without Valkyrie and caress, you're still going to get a sense of what what this team is and where some of the issues we're gonna be.
Because by and large, even without those two players, they're not really defensive.
Presence is defensive presence on this team.
So you are talking about being able to take a look at these at this roster and say, Defensively, Haouari matching up, obviously a see ya comes presents his own set of issues.
And then you talk about that game on Sunday against the Philadelphia 76 years and thinking how we're gonna match up with size.
How are we going to try to stretch them on the offensive end, give ourselves some looks in and around the basket? How well did Woody penetrate when indeed is there and a presence Al Horford is there is well, you, you, Tobias Harris is even a bit is a larger for his position as well, too.
So a lot of size to think about there.
So that's what we'll probably start to dive in a little bit on that podcast episode tomorrow, but for right now we say thank you and a tip of the hat to Amman Shumpert for giving us some quality games as his brief careers, Brooklyn Nets ends will be interested to see.
He may resurface back on this roster.
At some point, I would like to see and maybe catch on with another team, at the very least because I think he showed enough in this run with the Nets that he can be a valuable asset on a roster.
So that being said, we go ahead and wrap up our check in here on Thursday afternoon.
I will be back again tomorrow.
Talking news and notes.
Injury notes around this one as well will highlight Toronto and see how the health of their team is looking right now.
Diving a little bit of game previously talked about.
So when it comes to Saturday, we can dive right in on the action on not miss out on any of that initial stuff as we get the tip underway there at 7 30 up in Toronto.
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Yes, the thunder are doing pretty good.
Coup three there as well.
I think that they've played better than maybe you anticipated at the start of the season.
I think they're still going to sellers around the trade deadline.
Little footnote there for you, sir.
Uh, I think you're still going to see some bodies.
And you'll have to take a look at a whether or not a guy like Adams gets moved and who may be interested in him.
We highlighted this yesterday as well.
Kevin love conversations.
Would we want to see the Brooklyn Nets get involved in a scenario like that? Would you be willing to sacrifice a den Witty a Harris, a Caris Levert in one of those scenarios for again, an older guy certainly would create a very different dynamic for this offense.
Change the size perspective, honest.
And then when you look ahead to next year with Kevin Durant coming back, that'd be a very formidable group of players there with Kyrie Love and K d.
But how much of this team do you want to see taken away? All right, we've highlighted this.
Um, the last close, I thought I will say before I get out the door Year is Doug Nori came into the we got next podcast is just pure basketball fan Overall an n b A fan and ah, an ****ytics guy.
I came in as a pure fan of the Brooklyn Nets, so he's been helping me grow in that side of things, and I have been trying to pull him down into The Phantom of the Brooklyn Nets.
And it's working by the way.
But the interesting thing is, you go back these past years in the dim Ari carols and you know some of the other players that have been on this roster even the brief, brief stint with crab meat and then those.
And this isn't anything where I look at it and say, This is something that I lament some of these players, but some of them I do, right? D'Angelo Russell has a great run in the off season.
And by happy to have Kyrie the Open lead, it gets this. Cady.
Does that lead us to a championship? Is that amazing? Yes, it certainly is.
But it takes time to develop a sense of of excitement.
And then, ultimately, you know, really real love of a team of players.
And Tori on Prince has done a great job with that.
Certainly early in his Nets career, I really started to grow toe love Garrett Temple on what he's brought to this team.
But, you know, it takes time.
And now when you talk about possible trade moves as we work towards the mid season point and the trade deadline, you start to think about boy, you know Joe Harris guy that you signed out of Cleveland and over these last handful of seasons, look how he's flourished underneath Kenny Atkinson.
I think you want to see the payoff of him being there.
Toe help be ah, contributor on a championship winning team.
This run here without Kyrie on the floor certainly has shown you what he's capable of taking his game, not s O to another level, but just a za minutes have gone up.
He's just continue to be as consistent as we've seen him with that second unit.
So a lot of excitement around that as well.
And then certainly a guy like Caris.
Levert is a player who we highlight has this kind of team friendly contract, a movable contract extension that he signed with the Nets and that, you know, when he comes back from this injury, you want to see him come back healthy.
You want to see him surge into this roster, you want to see him be a contributor.
And I think, along with Jared Allen, those of those guys that you talk about it's probably was four core guys now that have been together since Jared Allen was drafted.
You know that our Huai identifies breathe being the Brooklyn Nets, its den Woody Harris, Alan and Caris Levert.
So, even though D'Angelo Russell came through here briefly, you know that was kind of an easier one to see go.
He gets to revamp his career, move on from us.
But now you're talking about still want to keep this nucleus together and have these other players come in and contribute around them and elevate us to that next year.
Too Deep playoff run, the championship aspirations.
But you hope, as they make these moves that you don't know the sudden find yourself in a situation where nevertheless, as a Brooklyn Nets fan overall, will I be excited if they win a championship? Of course, but we'll be that much sweeter if some of the guys that helped rebuild this franchise with underneath Kenny Atkinson with Sean Marks and rebuild the identity of the Brooklyn Nets basketball program.
Yeah, I think I'll make it that much sweeter if they get to be a part of that.
So we'll keep our eye in and around those rumors.
As we move through this second quarter of the season here, Obviously, we'll be back in on the game.
Action comes Saturday against the Toronto Raptors up there in Canada, and in the meantime, we'll check back in tomorrow with some additional news and notes around this roster, any injury updates and see what we can think about over the weekend that will give us a sense of where the franchise currently stand.
That will give it for me here for the men's pockets.
Thank you so much for checking in with that.
I've been kind of Barbara continued happy and healthy December holiday season for everyone out there, and we will be back in tomorrow talking all things Brooklyn Nets.