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How you doing, Tim? I'm good.
How are you? Well, you know how good we're doing.
We're doing fan, eh? Fantastic.
While you're down here are inside of your official winter meetings.
Insider, uh, rubbing elbows with the greats like Haman and Nightingale.
Another dignitaries that Aaron Scott.
What's going on out there? Tim? Well, is, um it's for it's starting to get a little quieter, but, you know, just you do see all those people you mentioned.
Even I didn't know I thought am I betting times and all that.
But you know, you walk around and you go past the that where they're doing the the light that often it's, you know all about Mystery Team thinks that it's okay.
There's the ministry teams that Giants Astros whoever be, Um, but you know nothing.
You know, it's not like someone's going Hey, someone signing really quick.
It's still cold.
Thio today to the Yankees.
Yeah, the Scots skunks, as I like to call because they're black and white and with the new Nike swoosh on their jersey.
But we don't need to get into that.
Yeah, I mean, that's been the way saw, obviously, the huge deal that that, um, Stephen Strasburg inked to re up with Washington's, as I like to call them, was it seven years, $245 million? I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure it's a lot of bacon.
Like literally, you can purchase a lot of bacon with that kind of money.
So what they're saying over 300 million now or something like that for Garrett Cole, if that's what it looks like, I mean was I mean when I saw the Strasbourg thing at that house when I was open the you know that that's not happening.
99 years, nine years.
Three is my guest.
I don't have that kind of money.
Just laying around.
You lie, you lie.
But the funny thing is, you kind of saw this this huge market, this huge deal coming after the Zach Wheeler deal of a couple days ago.
When you're getting, what, five years in $118 million to a dude that's made what 30 starts twice in his lifetime or something like that, it starts to get a little iffy.
So we know the Yanks air definitely gonna back up several Brinks trucks full of money.
But a since it is a hashtag mystery team season, Of course, we know the Dodgers air in and the Angels have been in, and it looks like the Angels are making some moves today to possibly try to set themselves up t ink.
I mean, they seem or Maur invested in coal.
It looks to me like already, really.
Artie Moreno, owner of Lows Anaheim's really wants to get Garrett Cole over.
Then they need Jericho over there.
He either wants Garrett Cole.
He wants the top to your starting pitcher, and there is a top tier starting pitcher that came out of Los Angeles that's also available who we said would fit in.
And I'm so you know, I think that's a good fallback plan for him.
But it certainly seems like and Tim, you probably get the same sense of it yourself that they seem like they're gearing up for a Garret Cole.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, is I listen to the stuff on the radio on every like that and listen to boroughs on the radio.
He goes right after that.
He goes right past the GM and straight to the owner works on them.
I mean, that's why I believe that he totally worked that Strasbourg thing with with with the owner, not with the, uh, the GM.
And I think he's doing the same thing with the Angels Yankees.
Only thing you can do that now, I definitely know what the doctors, They're not let that happen.
No, they they barely want to go out and spend any money as it is.
You had no kidding.
So, yeah, I mean, it just means that that that would be it if I still had the gas.
Doesn't just somehow be able to be outrageous.
Pull up Josh Hamilton.
Outrage Just really a dumb contract.
Yeah, well, I mean, if if anybody can do it, it's gonna be Anaheim.
That's what they do best.
Is spending stupid money when they probably shouldn't.
I mean, this time they actually should.
Gerrit Cole makes the most sense.
It's not like they're going out and getting Josh Hamilton for all the money in the world once again or something like that.
This is a guy that I mean, you look at it for Anaheim and I understand we were Dodger showed a lot of people want to talk Dodgers, but you look at it.
And when you get Coal and Otani and who, me? No.
Andrew here for a friend of the show, Andrew Heaney.
I mean, you start Thio, get some credibility over there in Anaheim, and we're not about that.
The other the other report that happened as soon as ah Strasbourg re signed with with Washington, was they? I think the report was you know, the owner came out, said we don't probably don't have the money to sign both.
So that puts Anthony rundown on our doorstep.
That puts Anthony rundown on a lot of people's doors.
Not only are Oh, yeah, only on our Z, I forgot.
But, I mean, if you forget the angels don't really have a What's that called? Oh, yeah, a baseball team.
Ah, outside of view star players.
So, angels, actually, in my eyes when Don't actually fits in on that team pretty well, a lot of people might not agree with it, but they also just got the Giants to pay for Zach Cozaar straight up.
Just I mean, they are including money.
Kudos to the Angels on that one.
That's a heck of a move for them to get his contract off the books that clear.
I mean, you only clearing up $12 million so you pay for, like, 1/4 of a Gary call.
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How about now? Yeah, There it is. Good.
You were saying, huh? No.
The Angels, the Angels air like 70 million under under the cat under there, you know, the luxury tax.
And so that's, you know, that's quite a bit, but if they were to do you know, sign went down at and cold for some crazy reason that that's that leaves them with nothing else there.
Remember, they still need a lot of pitching.
Yeah, we said if they get hold of you still, you still need to have, you know, 13 pictures on your staff.
And I don't know if they have something like that.
Yes, they have three.
My travel could probably pitching.
Yeah, that they're fine.
I mean, if you can get again, you can get Otani.
You can get Cole.
You can get rend own, you get Mike Trout.
What more do you need? You can figure it out from there.
Just just play it the fringes.
And that's all you need.
Just outscore everybody.
Yeah, that sounds for easy.
I mean, Al Thani could, you know, I don't think I was thinking about which is pointless, and we'll get on to real talk for a second.
But the idea of Shohei Otani and Joe Maddon working together, it's just gonna be a lot of fun. Beautiful.
Some of the weirdest.
Baseball's too bad it's gonna be for a bad team.
But, uh, you know, if we're looking at Ren, don't l a, though like that? That's what a lot of people are saying.
The feeling is that L A prefers rend own over Cole right now.
And I would say, And from what we've seen on ah, Dodgers Nation Pole, we ran, you know, like the idea of eight years, $300 million to Jericho.
People don't want to do that six years, even though what Scott Boris came out today saying that you know, they're the right in line with what they're looking for for window in, like, seven years.
Is that even too much for Ren, Don't I? I don't know.
What What is your you guys feel about Ren Donut? Seven years and however much money, he turns 30 in April.
Um, so That would be if you seven years, he's, you know, 33 36.
I mean, the last couple years might might not be so good, but dude can play.
It's a really good ballplayer.
I mean, we're seeing Justin Turner play at at a decent enough level, not elite anymore.
But he's he's playing up there in age now, fit and still performing well enough, and you out by then, you know, maybe a Gavin Lux is better.
Is more of, Ah production threat.
So there's a lot of different options I would sort of feel in that regard.
You you're paying for the you know that four or five years the first, you know, those Percy for years, and then you realize you get what you get at the end of it and hope Hope that all works out condones.
Unlike Turner, in turn, remember, had all those knee issues and, you know, you see Justin out there just looks like sometimes it looks painful, formed, even be out there to get live.
Yeah, I mean, those needs those needs air.
You know, the poor guy, he's he's obviously terribly valuable because he can actually hit the ball and put the ball in play, you know, versus half the other team or the rest of the team.
But Rendon's another one of those on the night disco.
Give me Rend own Salinger Turner in the lineup right in a row and that that would not suck.
That just seems like such a terrifying line of To have to Face like that.
So much firepower? Not, I mean, not only this, too, but we had talked about it a little bit.
You and I have a lot of confidence in, like a lot of the younger guys that are in the system already, and I think a lot of people write those guys off.
But you look at like a Dustin May type who Dustin May didn't have a huge impact on the roster throughout the course of the year, but has the potential to be that guy through the whole year.
He has the potential to be a Walker Bueller type.
It was, you know, throughout the year, so when you think about that because people are like when we need pitching, we need starting pitching like what? We have pitching and we have bullpen help and we have these guys, they just had down years or they just, you know, this was their first year or they didn't get consistent time, whatever it might be.
But I think the biggest problem that I have with all this when you're considering, you know, if you were to pick Rynn known or Cole, there's a very obvious reason that I would pick Riendeau NW.
And it's the fact that a he's a position player and B he's gonna want a shorter contracts.
He wants a shorter contract.
Higher annual average makes sense, especially for his caliber of type of player on DDE, where he's looking to play, and the type of moves that Friedman would go for exactly.
It all makes sense.
But whereas Gerrit Cole you know you're thinking about a 10 year ish contract like somewhere in that ballpark, I have no problem with high annual averages, have no problem with that.
All that's fine by me.
I have a problem with long term deals that put you in the hole for a decade, and I hate those kind of things.
So, you know, you talk about the Machado deals and the Bryce Harper deals and I looked at those and I was like, My child is the only guy that I would give that length of a contract.
There's no other guy in baseball that I give a 10 year contract.
It's just there's just no way to know.
Think about how they ever worked out then, no.
And for starting pitching.
It doesn't often work out, and they're very few and far between foreign in between.
Even long term pitching contracts.
You look at David Price.
David Price signed a seven year contract to their already 20 million.
They're already trying to get the hell out of that contract, you know, and and he's pitched like a three and 1/2 e r a.
And this time in Boston and just not looked very good and not very consistent.
If you break it down, it's like they're paying like almost $12 million per wins above replacement in his time in Boston.
If you look at Kershaw's contract, Kershaw's contract was actually a lot better, paying a lot less for wins above replacement.
Obviously, he had the All Star Games and a Cy Young Award, the M V P Award, and he's pitched you know he's getting older, so it's kind of tough to judge that one.
But you look at shares or who also had a really good contract.
Has worked out pretty well.
Greek e Not so much.
You have the I guess the most obvious to me was like the Felix Hernandez contract where he signed $180 million deal for seven years, was great for a second and then had that huge fall off that he had was like, What in the hell happened Felix Hernandez? And so you look at that.
If you looked at, you know, when Felix Hernandez got that contract at the time of his career, you're like, yeah, needs a lot of money.
Should get paid a lot.
Needs a long term deal.
Of course, Gary Cole.
Same thing. Needs a lot of money. Should get paid a lot.
Of course, you don't know what's gonna happen.
You don't know if he's gonna end up being a shares or if he looks Hernandez and there's so much risk behind it.
Position players play, you know, 150 games a year, not every five days.
And you get your money, you get 100 60 starts or or 34 starts if if you have two perfectly healthy players.
But then you look at the long term deals with position players.
You think of somebody like Prince Fielder.
What he was traded in year two or year three and then is already out of baseball, of course, sticking in Detroit.
They want out of that deal like you already mentioned Albert Pool's probably the worst deal in all of baseball, and we're in Korea, the Mets still paying Bobby Bania.
Josh Hamilton's another one.
But of course, that was shorter and hire a V, but still there.
It just really doesn't seem to pay to pay for a lot of these teams, but still, we're saddled with this.
But this curse of needing to be good, it sort of seems.
And if the Dodgers aren't in on coal either way, we do need pitching and you're looking at you're talking about the players we have sort of up and coming.
You have a dust in May of your Tony Gonsouland.
What are they going to do? What is Ah, air quote full season, going to look like for Julio Urias, but you are as good as you know.
The rotation was last.
Missing the Cy Young runner up is that now if they go all in on Brendan, is re you the fallback, the for sure fallback who now has a lot of teams, including mystery teams, probably coming after him.
But our Rando kn and re you enough of a true wind in the off season.
Tim, what do you think about that check? Yeah, shoot.
Even if we get Donaldson and Real, I'd be pretty.
Give me Blake trying.
And at the same time, yeah, that's having a lot of people were in on trying, and a lot of people want the trying and Guzman's now off the market.
A lot of people were ****ed off at that, but that Cosmo note for nine billion? That's insane.
That's not what we doctors have, what, 41 to 42 million, where they hit the cap that's factoring in courage.
On it is incentives.
Nine million would take nine million away from someone else.
You know, like where you are Donald's reunion, Donaldson or whatever were you and Ana Riendeau on whatever give me those guys.
Yeah, that's a nine million on that guy.
Yeah, that's $9 million for a guy who's gonna make either really trash spot starts or gonna end up in the bullpen one way or another.
And probably also Billy gonna get traded at the deadline because I think that's kind of what the Giants are just hoping for.
This point is that he's gonna have a decent first half of the year and earned them some top prospects.
That's about it.
You know, there's this thing.
There's a fun when we Miss Mike on YouTube brings up Yu Yu Darvish, as is one of the big contracts that just plainly has not worked out straightaway so far.
It just pays that this doesn't seem to pay to play the pay for other teams have franchise players.
Friend of the show motion motion motion Motion Motion said that he pointed out that Jon Heyman two years that the Dodgers were very disciplined and free agency in recent years.
But But they're willing to make an exception for Cole, and in his words, they're heavily in on the bidding, etcetera, etcetera.
Take with that with a grain of salt because it is Jon Heyman.
Who is Ah, What's the word I'm looking for? Um, she'll need help in some pockets somewhere.
So I mean, if you look at the past, you know, it's hard to judge.
People always say the Dodgers don't want to spend money or they're not willing to spend money.
And realistically, we don't know, like we don't know what That what was offered in the past.
There were so many reports about what they offered Bryce offer.
There's so many reports about all these free agents in the past that they have apparently been in on.
But we never got any information on what they offered to them, but they could have very well offered a ton of money.
And Friedman basically said that today where he's like, Yeah, we've had permission to spend a lot of money from ownership.
This ownership wants to win.
And that's not to say that we haven't offered big money.
That's just to say that we haven't given anybody a big contract yet.
No one's taking us up on it, and it would.
And the real question is, yeah, there's big making offer, big money, but it's Is it stupid money or is it smart money? Yeah, well, never smart money to spend a lot.
But is it dumb and throwing money at a problem that you just It just could be worse, like you pull for nine years.
Just boggles my mind.
Brooke Brooke already said everything that needs to be said about that.
But what are your thoughts on 10 years? That's a good round number.
If you're going, 90 miles will just make it 10.
It's easy to do the math on annual averages.
You will just do the just do the 10 on the same amount at least stretch.
You know, you go down, just give me a little bit more on.
It's so weird and money is wild this offseason, it seems like, but of course, its students Wheeler got that money.
It was like, This is gonna be a weird off season, and I mean, we've already alluded to kind of talk around it, but there is that need the What is it? Friedman and casting a vote come out saying that the team needs pitching.
That's what they're what crystallizing something like that were stolen.
Think like 12 pictures or 12 players that they really are are focused in on one, of course, is our two of them, of course, are ren down and cold.
But I'm the third, you know, even like with blank trying.
And that's a pretty big flyer to be like your savior of the bullpen.
But if you're looking at Gausman, Kevin Gausman getting $9 million what the hell is a down year trying and gonna look for? Cause he what? He had Cy Young votes two years ago.
He was an All Star two years ago.
We got our Kevin Gausman had, what, 22 innings of ah fip over three.
After we get moved to the bullpen last year like it's just that's not doesn't make me feel good on the insides.
It definitely wasn't mind blowing.
And then, but the other thing it was that they are talking about me for that doctor talk about Gavin Lux playing in the outfield.
That's a big deal.
I mean, that that show, I mean, who knows the things that they say, of course, that half of our lives B s.
But for it to even get floated out on that That was a big deal.
The kid has the athleticism and that fits bright in you.
Wouldn't you rather see him, but showing the outfield over Max Muncy No much left field.
I hate Muncie at second.
A guy can't catch a ball.
Tag a guy out of a second.
You don't You don't remember the leap.
He did the Jordan leap and count that one ball.
Yeah, that wasn't that wasn't a tag at second.
It was not to take a second, guys. Super clumsy.
But he's a good athlete.
I mean, I didn't go with Muncie outta here.
Infield defense is was mediocre last year, but, hey, you put Riendeau Nen their input Turner.
First, it makes it automatically quite a bit better.
Um, Lux can handle the outfield.
I just want to see those those guys in there.
But you forget Lux in the outfield.
Was that meat for Jock? Well, you don't get it Ripples. You hope.
Well, I mean, both of them.
All of those guys you mentioned there are two of those guys and we can mix in Key K where it was reported that they're the guys that the Dodgers are air quote willing to listen to offers on, you know, so we'll see if mystery teams in on them.
But as good of enough of players as they are, there aren't really teams.
I'm assuming clamoring to go pick up Kiki Hernandez to change there, their shortstop back up, Theo to shortstop position or whatever that may be.
But you have the chance to get rent.
Don't those guys.
That something. There's has to be more money moves.
And, um, my land man, Let's do it.
What else you get, Brooke? Well, listen, the money's weird this year, guys. That's all I know.
That's all I really know about.
Money is very strange, is here? And you guys need to stop overlooking my boy rule.
You got to give that boy some money, man.
I swear if you guys give Cole a ridiculous $330 million plus contract and don't give you his proper dues, I don't care where he goes.
I'm gonna be ****ed, so I'm gonna be so mad that more you deserve some money, man.
Between Wheeler and on Strasbourg, right? It's just so hot tar.
Hard to say because of his injuries, like 33 He's going to be three piece put up numbers, and he's put up a lot of really good starts.
And he's played a lot, but the injuries that he has had our bad injuries, you know, there's nothing with his elbow, but shoulder stuff.
And that freakin hip thing really derailed in big time.
So the growing the groin just ripped up? Yeah, it just like it took a lot early.
Took his gun, wearing at 6 20 and you got married. He's got the honeymoon.
It's a crazy, you know, seven kid, right? Yeah.
Must've just that.
Any any final thoughts for your 10 before we let you go? Well, Brooke What? Brooke, what do you think? What would you think a good contract would be for re you? Because I I can't even come up with anything.
He's Yeah, he really is one of those guys that the market's gonna be set by Gerrit Cole for him.
That's really gonna determine.
Like what? The ceiling is for pictures, and then you're gonna find a middle ground somewhere.
I don't think he's going to get as long of a deal. Is he would like.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with a three year deal with with the, um with an option year.
Um, that's probably best case scenario for him just because he is one of those weird players where you're like he should be a guy that gets a big contract, But he's just not going through because of his injury history, I guess a little bit the fact that he was protected by some really good pictures in L.
Things like that, I think I don't know, man.
He gets like a $28 million annual average on on that deal.
I can't even I can't even come up with a number for him.
Charles Hammell says Rio is gonna be 160 million. Just guessing.
We got Jeremiah saying three for 60 because that's what people are kind of putting him in that 20 million range.
But I think see, now that's got blown out because of Wheeler.
You see, a you got old man Ah Bumgarner asking for five years and 100 million.
I think before Wheeler made this signed that contract, I think maybe you could have gotten like a 22 to 25 annual average with for you.
But I think there's just no way now, like you gotta think there's no way.
If that's what the market's been set out because it is based off of what the market gets set, it has nothing to do with last year.
So I'm interested to see how much money that boy rakes in.
Maybe the Dodgers do Get him back.
Maybe they go the route they want to do, which is the high Avie shorter term deal.
Look at that Jake area at a deal.
Three years, 75 million could be a good idea.
Yeah, I do have one question Ren going.
I think I forgot to ask this because I was too busy tweeting Um what do your sayings on Ren Don's? Ah, hardware that he's gonna bring it to a locker room.
And how much? How valuable is that? I mean, he's a ah, World Series champion right now.
Think about the idea that he's a is like a closet stoner.
Oh, that was about to be because being illegal, but, um yeah, with with him carrying that weight like it's not a old man.
Chase Utley coming in.
You know it's not that he would bring in more credibility than Justin Turner doesn't turn.
It just gets credit because he, you know, he worked himself from out of trash and became an All Star, and that's a lot of credit goes to him.
But now this is Randall, who wanted championship last year went through this team, too.
Is that the necessary tone that we need to be that need to be brought into this locker room to win a championship? I think there's something to be said about guys who have been there before, but the thing is with the Dodgers, they have all been there several times, like a lot of them have.
And so you know, for what it's worth, they didn't win, obviously.
But Riendeau has been there one time and he won that one championship.
So there's something to be said about that in the locker room and you know, having the person that has been there versus hasn't in my mind is always beneficial is always better than somebody who hasn't been there before because you just never know what you're gonna get out of those guys.
So there is something to be said about that for sure.
Yeah, I just like a veteran who actually has ones have already other veterans who haven't go ahead, right? No, Gary, aren't you? Aren't you tired? Way Had a good conversation If he comes to L.
This is Gary now before look, doctor played him.
We're looking at players that have just you get the man a beer.
Uh, we're looking at players that have just been there, reverses the players.
That would maybe make a difference in the locker room.
And we know you hear enough.
You've seen enough.
You can just kind of pick up what Rendon's laying down.
He's Ah, he's a clubhouse presence, for sure.
But the other guy, you kind of look at that Josh Donaldson.
That definitely fits that mold.
He's Maura of Senate.
Before here in the last couple of weeks, he's I sort of clubhouse cop in a way that won't take no guff.
And, you know, that did work for L.
In 1988 when Gibson wasn't taken anything from people but Tim, Are you going? Let's let's like, put the money aside.
Put the better player aside.
Let's look at a difference in the clubhouse actual thing.
You need somebody that's gonna help put the team over the top when it comes to these thes tough moments where they might just get complacent.
Do you want Riendeau? Nor do you want Donaldson.
In that case, I still want rent down way.
I kind of saw it in person.
Um, just the way we always talk about with the Dodgers.
Their lack of clutch with runners in scoring position, especially the playoffs Rend own, has proven.
Approved it over and over.
They could do it, it might seem set a new tone.
That's the tone I'm looking for.
You don't sense me, just kind of.
He's kind of a weird dude, but he's a talented.
Were due on Di do do like that clubhouse cop thing a little bit, but I don't think that doctors what they need is a kick in the butt.
It seems like, um, you know, if you don't, it provides that if they don't have a bunch of screwballs kind of miss a couple balls, I think it's very you're saying Go get twig.
I mean, Lux is Lux is showing that he is that he can take the edge off a little bit.
I think that's enough rundown.
When I had my conversation with them through the fence, he comes off.
I mean, when he's talking his teammates, he has his quiet confidence about him very well spoken to go from what I'm seeing off off the field with him.
He's a very just a good man, you know? And he's like he's a player that I think Dodger fans will be proud to root for with all these other like bad players around.
Basic, really good player toe to root for.
So that's, you know, just basing my one conversation with him.
I really wanted one drunk, really drunk, inebriated conversation.
He talked him through the financials of moving into California Task everything percentages and actual income tax issues.
Yeah, let's just hope state income tax issues don't come into play or else he's going to Texas.
I had to break this down to you next time, Tim.
There are actual numbers that yes, from ah, surface level.
It looks good to go to Texas, but there are other things in Texas that screw you over like property.
Text you and then you break it down.
Texas still wins by just a few percent in Texas, but then that percentage points makes it worth to live in worth.
It live in California? There's nothing in Texas.
Texas started longer than that.
Come on, Step right.
That would be a good article, Actually.
You know what? Your friends and see my friend of the finance guys broken.
That's final final thoughts there, Tim.
Um, I just I just wish something would happen.
It would be, you know, that causes chaos.
And I called back in and, you know, with pictures of me celebrating, you know, Yeah.
Jumping up and down with candor, Nick.
Yeah, that's right.
If you happen to see Matt Kemp again, I know you saw him in passing before the phone call, but if you happen to see him again, just let him know Cupcakes.
They're still here.
And it was He was so friendly.
I mean, he grabbed my camera and said, Hey, let's do itself.
He's one of the keys.
I mean, we met him at the thing.
He's probably one of the nicest guys I've ever met.
Like if I had met him and I didn't watch baseball, I would have no idea that he was an athlete.
Not that athletes are jerks or anything like that, but he's just very nice.
Like it would take a man, you know, way out of them for making even got gigs down home.
Okay, See, boy, man, he's good people.
Yeah, before ever loved anyone.
Muncie This offseason on the field, you know a good guy.
I want to be around.
He went with Muncie to two ah football game.
He was also at Kershaw's challenge, the his Texas big country party.
Yeah, so he's still homies, like Forever a Dodger.
And if he's looking to play softball, I think we're gonna have a tournament coming up next month.
But he's been working at it first, so I watch out for G spot that this seems like such a clunky player.
1st 1st base if the Dodgers Tim Rogers, thanks for hanging out with us, but my board turned off so one second, and if anything pops up, go and give us a call. Happy holidays.
So Tim's demands it was.
Yeah, that's it.
That's the end of the show. Everybody's leaving way.
What we learned today.
Kids don't give pitchers long contracts.
Give them high average contracts.
Yes, Matt Kemp still likes to eat.
I need to talkto amping urine doing more and give you should talk to more people getting talked. More players.
Now we should just get you season tickets.
Front row on visitors like Kickstarter for ESU says whatever helps us win.
So you could be the difference maker.
I'm two for tuber.
I talked to Goldschmidt the year for that year Way nobody got a bigger contract.
I'm from 16 to 20.
What contract? 22.
And now we're going to get paid.
Man, I'm a good look.
All right, you guys seeing any? Any good comment? Let's take a few comments before we get cause I got some beef.
I wantto air with, uh, with Stan Kasten real soon, but, uh, Logan Jones says he would buy a coal and rend own lifetime in and out if they signed a contract.
So, Logan, we're gonna hold you to that one.
I Well, what I'm sayin, girlfriend, I too will sign the contract.
I will take that as well.
I would like free in and out right there quite often.
Uh, there are several calls to keep Russell Martin just in general.
Nothing specific that I don't even think we had anything close to that kind of conversation.
But sure, there you go.
Big moves so far that they have signed Austin Barnes and science got Alexander.
Don't forget the two.
Ah, lefty pitchers that nobody likes are nobody like the hard throwing.
I were just talking about that kid Casey Crosby or something like that.
I think that actually is their biggest pickup so far this year.
Yeah, 100 mile an hour.
100 mile per hour throwing dude that came from Not even a good a place as good as Dr Line.
I don't get why people are so upset right now.
They don't want any of those guys being signed right now.
Guys, that's the issue.
We don't want any of those guys unless you want that.
In which case I'm sorry.
I mean, the fringe guys, they do prove to work.
But the problem is like think of of where this team would be if some of those fringe dudes didn't work out.
Turner worked out.
C t three worked out when you when they made the trade to get ah, Kee Cay and Austin Barnes.
You know, as much as people might not like them, and as much as they are not starters for sure that one we can give us a lot of people who also like them, but trade away D.
You got that? And those.
I mean, those players have have really made your franchise for the next few years.
Matt can't come and go.
And he he gave so much to this ranch, as in terms of trade value coming back, I just have such a good feeling that that Crosby is gonna be one of those guys that for one year is just lights out for the Dodgers and ends up signing a contract somewhere else and sucks.
There is that is that kind of bran tomorrow written all over 100%.
That kind of guy.
I'm okay with that. I'm fine with as long as the World Series here.
Oh, we have. Thank you, Charles.
Forgot. Rocky. Gail.
Which is basically like David.
I mean literally lighter than him.
Not that's Ah Tyler.
Light, light, light light because he's skinny now.
But anyways, it was It was great.
It was a great transition.
But, um, I don't know who happened to to see the bit of clip, but your boy, everybody's favorite stand cast and had a microphone in front of him, and he was asked about the team spending money.
And, you know, whenever stand casting has asked about team spending money, he tends to be angry.
He definitely tend to be angry about the narrative off.
Hey, why welcome This team doesn't go out and spend money, and he's an immediately be like, Oh, yeah, we do spend money I don't like talking about.
We always spend money, which is I mean, it's not wrong, but it's wrong, but it's wrong.
So the quote Ah, few of the quotes he had because he was asked about that, uh, stand being ever so angry.
Stan, what is this Jet I mind trick thing Friedman has with you guys? Because that's just what he does.
You know, we've led baseball on payroll for us five years in L.
A and all of your sister insists the guys cheap but never spends any money.
It annoys the heck out of me, which I mean, you could you could hear the boomer coming stand cast in here Cubs and casting, of course, going to defend, he says.
You can criticize our moves, but you can.
You can criticize our judgment.
That's all fair when it comes to teams.
And then he's gonna go with comparison row are the comparative route of the $60 million teams in the $80 million payroll.
Teams like like Tampa and Oakland making the playoffs because they do have some talent, the type of town the Dodgers are built on right now with a cheap Cody at, you know? I mean, he's finally starting to get paid a little bit more.
Now Seeger, all these type of players, You know, this here, you got you got what baby you got, Lux, you got May all of these guys that are dirt cheap and Dan hey, recall from Turkey for stand to come out and say I don't think you can criticize us.
You know, if we're around 200 million again, it's yes.
The Dodgers were spending money when it comes down to the bottom line when it comes down to that.
What that final payroll, Talley says on cots payroll.
At the end of the season, however, the question can be asked, is asked, Is it the right money? And that's what we talked about a little bit here earlier.
It's not because yes, and each season Friedman has has come on board with L. A.
The team spending has been right there near the top of payroll, for sure, no doubt on that.
But, ah, large portion.
That cast tends to be for everybody.
L together players no longer on the team, and 2019 was Cat ****.
It was no exception when it comes to the mean on that 2019 alone.
The club Smith, I think, was $43 million on on players not on their 40 man roster.
Homer Bailey got $23 million to get released after the sale, putting trade because a doctor legend, the Dodgers made sure to pay pretty much what they they cut, like 17 million or something like that.
Are I forgot what the total was that a trim.
It trimmed it off the long term, the long term, but they were also able to get to very, very good prospects.
So I mean, hey, if you could go out and pay 27 $23 million for exceptional prospects, I guess you go and make that move.
But, uh, funny enough, they're actually paying two teams for Matt Kemp.
$7 million went to Cincinnati and three and 1/2 $1,000,000 with San Diego.
But that contract is finally over.
You guys remember Hector Olivera when he was going to be the savior of the team all them years ago, And then they traded him immediately.
The Atlanta and he turned out to be a pile of crap person.
6 million went to Atlanta.
Ah, yeah, I sell Sierra another one of those flamethrower dudes that did nothing.
So and he's still in the organization, but he's a nobody.
But all of these players that are not on the 40 man roster $43 million.
Yeah, what? They spend 196 197 $188 million this year against the luxury tax bracket thing.
Whatever the hell it's called right now, because I've been drinking, I can't think, but you're spending this kind of money.
But $43 million of that payroll isn't on your team.
It isn't your end product on field products.
That's why I asked you, what kind of Jedi mind tricks are you trying to play on us? Because it's not fooling this boy stuff full of this boy.
I tell you what, Does he not get it? That's it.
That's the biggest question I have.
Does he not understand what fans are saying? I think we knew that he was not great with what normal people think When he said when he said it was really inside baseball, stuff over was really inside.
Baseball economics cannot make stuff this, so he's basically like, I'm smarter than you.
I don't have time to explain to you what's happening, like stuff's happening.
Shut up and it's like, Yeah, maybe just let Andrew talk.
Maybe just let him talk for a while.
You know, Friedman's really good about talking to people when he talks.
I mean, Gary, when he talks at press conferences and stuff like right on by exactly what you'd want to hear from somebody who leads your team like the way he talks really long, handles people the relationship he has with reporters and media like takes super straightforward.
He will take those tough questions, and he does take him.
He will stop to think about him.
He won't just blurt stuff out like, you know, he's not nervous.
He's like I will take it as it comes.
You guys can ask all the questions you want.
I got some time.
This is how much time I have.
You can ask questions for this long.
Everybody gets a shot.
I don't care if your b, b, b, B, B, B B w, a writer or whatever the hell we call fate is really good at.
You can tell how passionate he is because when reporters trying to egg him on driving drop answer out of him, you can see that he wants to engage, but he's holding back just a little bit, you know.
He's got some fight in him.
Yeah, he's got a way to fight them.
Oh, yeah, for sure he has it. He's normal.
Yeah, it's over the fight that you see the thing the caricature that you see on Twitter of the Andrew Frogman character that people are creating.
It's funny that casting is less restrained.
That's the funny part is for sure.
A nice restrained I called him.
I called him the Omni Boomer because he wants it's his way or the highway when it comes to this stuff.
I've seen it like, yeah, we understand you saw it in in the Atlanta for all those years.
What did you get for? Yeah, you get this durability, you get the sustainability, which something a lot of teams have paid pay for to be able to play in October, multiple years in a row.
But at some point, you do need that world Siris toe have any credibility behind your name.
So are we just gonna continue to see them? Not.
I mean, this is finally the year that what they've been doing since the Guggenheim er's took over.
This is what they've been trying to do is is get to this point where all of the bad contracts are allegedly gone.
They got rid of camp the first time they were able to remove cap again and Puig and, you know, people like Adrian Gonzalez.
But age Hagen was a necessary evil to get the team to credibility again.
And it worked, obviously.
But this is their time where they they have the money and they need to push up against that 200 million need to push up against that, that luxury tax or they're gonna look like an idiot because they're gonna look like idiots when we already see, you know, Friedman coming out and saying, Oh, you know, I like this team.
I don't think we really need anything, which is inaccurate.
Well, the funny thing is like, it's not Friedman's money.
So when you think about caste, Friedman was just saying, You know, he's given the political answer of like, Hey, it's not my money.
I can't really say right now whether or not we're gonna be adding on free agents.
I don't want to commit to anything without, you know, needing to commit to something for his castles like Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, we're spending some money like we're doing stuff we're making.
Moves were doing stuff.
I mean, it's not all his money, but it's partially his money, really real inside baseball stuff, real inside, baseball, economics guys.
Freeman's always going to say that this team's gonna be willing to compete because it's his team.
It's a thing that he built, so he's very proud of it because he put so much time into it, already talked about it.
But right after the season ending ended, like how much work years of work it takes to build it this moment.
So Friedman is still, like just living off how many years of work.
So he's going to say this team is still good enough to compete, which is true.
The one issue I do have with him is when he says the post post season is a um was that where he uses? It's just like it's free for all you know.
He just thinks that if you just make it, you can never predict what happens in the postseason.
I don't like that.
That's the one thing.
I don't like that attitude because it just makes it seem that he's just building a team to make it to the postseason.
And he's **** good at it.
Yeah, He's very quickly.
He's done a really good job.
But to build a team that was a championship, he needs to prove that.
Did you guys see his comments today about that? The front office feels Atmore than fans, so he doesn't understand.
Like why fans get so upset about the team losing.
We all feel it more like Who the hell do you think you are, where the ones who pay to go see your product and you're ripping us off of $40 million on field? But saying, Well, we spend $200 million.
Yeah, Homer Bailey, who pitched for what? He, uh, I think Oakland for 28 minutes.
Something like City some, Yeah, a bad team, even though the Oakland's were good.
But still you see the point here, it's like you're not paying it stand.
You're right in every sense of the word that yeah, the team is spending $200 million but you're not spending it on the team.
You're spending it on other problems, so it just you get, you get the frustrations, you know, latest update that I have from Michael Jordy eyes that the Dodgers are reportedly making a stronger push for Garrett goal than initially perceived.
That's it, which is basically the same way saying everybody's in you gotta I mean, you gotta put something out there, right? You gotta put whatever you know out there, and that's what they know.
That is that he's not doing the John Hammond angry.
It's like saying the same thing 75 different ways within a four hour span.
So I respect that.
But he's not doing the double the beat writers find it. Ugo.
Well, do you have any comments? Cause my comments are broken right here.
Oh, yeah, I I thought you meant, like, personal kind of kind of feet in the U.
I mean, there's Jason underscore Mukti trolling the whole fee by just saying that Freeman doesn't do anything basically and that all we do is licked the Dodgers boots.
So this guy is They were clean.
Probably like he's got no research.
Yeah, he didn't see us blow the mikes or blow the speakers out last week with all the yelling.
So turn your mic up really loud, Like in the Elian? No, but by the Travis d'Arnaud.
And I mean I mean, Ryan wants to talk about the bullpen situation like if we had to run a poll and maybe we should.
What's the most important thing that we need to address this offseason? Yeah, but then that's the problem is that no one has addressed it.
Hey, of industry.
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Thanks, John. Real insightful.
That's kudos to Daniel.
Aren't you supposed to be studying breast? That's Dan Jae.
Always always a classic follow on Twitter.
Oh man, Yeah, the way it's looking, it's very surprising that we might actually see two huge contrast get dropped this winter meetings because that never really happened.
Always happens in February 20.
Hardly, they're not.
There are like Fandi 50 years.
They are on the field, probably.
Yeah, people were not sure. Jon Heyman tweets.
I see the up 1995 saying bullpen bullpen is definitely the biggest need.
We saw that this team lost on the bullpen yet again.
They lose in the playoffs on the bullpen every single year because they build it.
They piecemeal the bullpen.
And while they've been very lucky with players like Turner Taylor, like I was saying, Muncie being scrapheap dudes that worked the bullpen, it doesn't work as well.
It doesn't work as my little gonna play every day to figure it out.
And, I mean, the law of averages.
Most of the time, these dudes sort of do work out, uh, over 162 games.
People like people like you.
I mean, they had a 360 already.
That was good, man.
Do, day after it was all these New York Publications saying all these coming in the Yankees be some numbers. He's a great relief.
Wait, What? He needs a smaller market.
20 years ago, it would be he would be a fantastic addition to any team, but they're just those aren't the right guys.
I mean, I'm not I'm not advocating that the Dodgers go out and do what the Yankees were doing where they have, what, 17 closers in their bullpen or whatever the hell it is.
34 actual legitimate people with, like, 50 career saves.
under their belt and then also Adam Ottavino to boot.
But they do need help in apparently, uh, well, your boy Joe Kelly, wasn't the help we were hoping it would be was here.
I thought he was. This was the second half.
A second he did. He did.
Ah, scrap heap narrative arc of like, I'm talking about what he was.
Book ended bad regular season.
The middle dominated as all hell and then was straight trash.
He wasn't towards the end because something happened to his body would just hit the lower body injury.
He had a whole body itis, whole body itis.
He, uh he wasn't instant gratification, so we automatically wasn't a fan.
You said last week that he hasn't come back with the year.
I think he's gonna be one of the best players on the team next year.
He's gonna be one of those guys that we look back and were like, ****, I'm glad we had him because we're getting a little ahead of ourselves, because we're not gonna do our pre season.
You know, we have, like, a preseason like predictions like our big, shocking predictions that we d'oh you that like January, probably January February after, like scientific training.
It'll be after signings, having already did. I don't mind.
It was disgusting.
I think Kenley Jansen is gonna lose his closing job in 2020.
That's my purse.
I'll win July by by the All Star break.
So by July, by the All Star break, you, who's gonna be the backup closer? Is it going to be Blake trying it? TBD eyebrows And it was other tidbits and news and headlines that have gone on today.
We haven't really mentioned it, but Cody Bellinger was named to the first ever all MLB team.
So let's give let's give Cody the clap.
He made the first team the Clapper. Yes.
No, that's not good.
And re you was named Ryu with was named to second team all MLB.
So that's pretty cool.
They don't have all l'm Abi's first teen second team 13 as just first and second team.
How disrespectful to re you.
Second place, second place and Cy Young voting.
Well, the idea is better.
Bet you're not upset.
I'd stop being so disrespectful to my man. My man.
My man is so good.
Guys, my man is such a good picture in such a nice boy.
So how's I mean? We already talked about it here, but I had the note here in our run of show here, and I really wanted to bring it up again.
I love like you guys think.
It's kind of funny that as soon as the Dodger said, you know, we're probably holding on to Gavin Locks.
All of a sudden, all the tweets were coming out.
Oh, Francisco and doit isn't available.
And trade says the Cleveland Indians.
That was a bad human.
Funny, really Get a good impression.
Funny how that works out, huh? Yeah, it's like it's almost like they wanted him on Thursday.
What goes on Thursday there, Chief, You got a real big group that's coming up, so I'll start Rule Five draft.
The Rule Five draft is coming up on Thursday, where the Dodgers probably will not go after anybody.
But they are gonna likely lose one or two players and we'll clap for your birth.
Jordan Sheffield, a hard throwing right e and Christian Sand data.
And he just killed Gary.
So we're very proud of you.
We're gonna be ah, money, Bert for sure, and that one was stinky.
Rule five draft.
It's Von Dodgers have the 29th pick.
They're gonna pass.
It doesn't matter if the Rule five pick Rule five draft one of the things ah ah, lot of people seem to have very mixed feelings on is the new Nike jerseys.
Anybody? You guys start putting in your comments now, before I give my opinion.
How do you feel about the Nike jerseys? I don't care.
It's not gonna make a difference.
And when opening day happens, here's my opinion, because I know you want my opinion so very bad.
Listen, my opinion is I don't care, but it's gonna bring a lot of money into baseball, and that's all I really care about.
But are we getting it back? Is that gonna go into the $40 million that the team spent on players not playing for? Probably, It's just really good for Nike to be in on baseball like that.
That's only Artie's.
New Jersey's, like 300 bucks now, too, are they? I mean, there's something Yeah, that's ridiculous.
They're more think they're like 3 59 or some I get mine from China anyways, so it doesn't matter.
I got when I was in China a couple years ago, I bought a Bryce Harper jersey that was, uh, in athletics jersey or something like that.
Bryce Harper was on the A's in China.
I don't know why.
I don't know where it is always prepared over there.
You never know Oakland's gonna make a run.
People in John Rob's 93 says they look the same.
It's just a classic swoosh.
Um, and and usually there's another one will roll in.
Howard likes him.
I like the Nike jerseys.
They seem find enough. Of course.
Um, l a d fan Sofia would prefer to see the Nike on the sleeve, which is the think That's the biggest complaint.
Yeah, they want another sleeve, not on the chest.
Which, of course, that's what Authentic Had they had it down there.
They also had it on the the little hip area.
Is it gonna be tougher to make these knockoff jerseys with the solution? The front now, man, you got that on the computer programs.
That man I missed, I missed the good old days.
The garbage you would get the swap meet you be the exaggerated see would be the Swiss.
It's upside down.
See it? Wow, I got I got a hat from some bicep that at the swap meet back in the day, the hat like the MLB logo, the hat on, like, you know, like the MLB guy.
Hes wearing a hat.
I was wearing a baseball cap, and it's like three times the size of his head the way they stitched it.
That's my hat, Jeremiah, assist.
Nike is easily copied, so we're cool.
We could just spread it just finally ready.
Just know that that the fan fest, man, that deal.
They're gonna be crazy for all the jerseys because they had to get rid of a lot.
And I had not considered that.
Yeah, you could barely go top of the I just went thio ****s sporting good and all the data.
The majestic stuff is on sale