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welcome back into a one giant podcast coming to you live on the sports Caster platform.
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Ahem.
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Excuse May.
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Following up on what was a disappointing loss of depending on your perspective.
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Here in the game between the New York football giants down there in Philadelphia, taking on the Eagles, they come out on the short side of a 23 17 loss.
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We briefly take a look inside these numbers a SZ faras.
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The Giants are concerned.
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And what maybe went right or more accurately, what went wrong here for the New York Giants.
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This was a difficult game, right? You felt like certainly there.
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Early on, we get the nostalgia of Eli Manning getting a start in the first half of this one.
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He goes 11 of Ah, uh, should be 19.
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I believe it was 1 79 2 touchdowns connecting with young variously so, uh, you know, a little bit of throw back, right? Had you feeling like maybe there was some magic here and certainly they all had an opportunity.
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Giants score 17 points in that second quarter on, then surrender seven in the 3rd 7 in the fourth, followed up by was ultimately the game winning touchdown there to Zach Ertz in overtime.
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There's a lot of things that you can look at inside of this one.
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I mean, listen, Eli Manning side of it and probably heard around social media today.
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Ah, you know, on the first, take Stephen A.
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Smith talking about the credentials or lack thereof.
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40 line banning when it comes to the Hall of Fame.
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Ah, I'm not going to go to in depth on that beyond, to say, I know that you can talk about now being a quarterback below 500 on his career record.
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Obviously, the interception numbers over his career you can point to those as well, hasn't been to the playoffs in a number of the last few seasons.
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But for May I I still do.
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Come back to it and say Someone had very telling stat this morning that when you dive inside the numbers a CZ faras the most clutch quarterback in playoff history, it's Eli Manning, and that's over.
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I think, on 3 65 sports, they ran that through, came back with Eli, Manning said.
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We need to retool this thing and make sure that we're hunting percent on it. get out.
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Some of the fringe guys.
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The one offs like Dilfer on and cubes of like that made into a Super Bowl is certainly their career.
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But by no stretch would anyone even think they're in that kind of conversation.
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So they went ahead and did it again, and he was still number one and then had number two Joe Montana, regarded by one of the most clutch quarterback, certainly in NFL history.
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So there's that aspect of it.
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Um, it wasn't I'm a pure Giants fans, so ultimately, I'm gonna sit on the side of Eli.
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Manning won two Super Bowl championships.
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He went on to historic playoff runs in those seasons.
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Obviously, the longevity is career as we stay the best, no ability is availability.
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And I would stand to think, um, this isn't it again, I'm not gonna overly defend it.
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But if you think about the number of games over the course of his career that Eli Manning played in, or maybe he wasn't as healthy as you would have liked to have been a lot of quarterbacks.
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A lot of players in the NFL do this, but I'm sure there were a handful of games that he would have been better served to avoid some of the hits that he took.
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That being said, you know, he's a 38 year old quarterback.
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We've been hearing this in and around Social media, certainly a zay catch.
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Of course.
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The obligatory ad here, Running force and gentlemen, Jack, if that's something that you're interested in, uh, but, you know, it is what it is.
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His career has come to a close.
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I think that more than anything, what you're really highlight.
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Coming out of this 23 to 17 loss is that this is a team that again we've been talking about this on the podcast in here on SportsCastr.
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This isn't a good football team.
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Ah, this isn't This wasn't a fantastic secondary for the Eagles.
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We've seen other Q B's have some success against them and the fact that Pat Shurmur is unable to make some adjustments at halftime and continue to find ways to have success going into that second half of this game and continue get some points on the board is just astounding.
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Get shut out over the state there, fourth quarter and then obviously the overtime touchdown there.
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But to not be able to move the ball.
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It all offensively certainly is an issue for them.
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I highlighted this on the broadcast last night.
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Named Soldier is a clear and present issue for this roster you can talk about.
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Across the line is a hole, and you know, some of the areas and players that have unnecessary lived up to what expectations were Hernandez a concern there? Certainly.
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How? Appeal.
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But nevertheless, you have to take that step back and just realize that Nate Soldier has been absolutely that disaster in this game.
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Specifically, on the two sacks that Curry got off that left edge on both plays, it was an opportunity where on the 1st 1 Nate Soldier has tight and shipping, and it was a bleed.
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Kidding. Smith on both, Please.
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It could have been Simonson Pressure was Kid Smith on both.
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He goes ahead and give that shut on.
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Curry pushes him further outside and all that Nate soldier has to do.
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Not all of that, but he's done his job the tight, and he's moved him further outside of the pocket and extended his routes to get to the quarterback named Soldiers.
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Job is to just go ahead and step over.
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Take that shock.
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He's a little bit off balance to get in there on top of him.
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Keep pushing him off field away from the quarterback, instead following the chip from the tight end named Soldier.
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Can't get himself out and over there in time, and he sweeps right around to get to the line.
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Manning.
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The 2nd 1 is where, even though you can say the tight end, you certainly gets held up right there in his position.
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May be taking a step back, but Nate solder tripped over his feet, trying to get around to the outside.
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Now I'm not gonna beautiful too heavy on this play, but the same hunt where the design is to allow you to have a guy to get pushed around the outside of the pocket so that you can continue to get better position and work him up.
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Field away from the quarterback and you're unable to do that.
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That's amusing.
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Excusable.
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If he's either one of these plays have gone the other way.
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We're Nate soldier, so let's say you know tight end mate soldiers.
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Here it is.
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He's moving over this side there to make to get into prison where he's supposed to be and Curry comes inside on the tight end.
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Meeting that tight end has messed up now, his responsibilities on that play, then I can understand it, but you're not getting.
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I've seen that happen.
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What you're seeing is the tight end doing his job name, soldier, knowing that that's what he's supposed to be doing and then still not being able to get over there, get out of the perimeter and defend against the legs of curves.
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So, uh, you know, that's the footnote in and around this game.
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Obviously, it's disappointing.
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Disappointing from a Eli Manning back on the field standpoint ends up finishing 15 to 30 in this 107 9 yards in the first half.
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Finished, which is a hair over 200 in this.
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So really, a defense that has been struggling for the Philadelphia Eagles ends up being able to shut out the Giants again.
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It speaks to Pat Shurmur is lack of in game adjustments and ability to make some changes to try to get things going for this offense on the defensive side of the ball.
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I mean, I'm really not going to hurt them too much by the time you get down there.
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Excuse me, I apologize.
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The cold weather is getting to me by the time you get down to that point of the game, you saw it over the third and fourth quarter.
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Ah, you know, these long drives that the Eagles were going on and I said it in the broadcast last night.
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This was going to take its toll on this team.
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The defense was going to get worn down and you went inside those numbers and saw a CZ we highlighted there.
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That time of possession was brutal by the end of this 1 42 nearly 43 minutes to 22 minutes in favor off the Philadelphia Eagles.
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A lot of time on the field there for this New York Giants defense, and they eventually just get eaten up by the end of it, which happens a lot in Giants games.
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You Carson Wentz ends up going 33 of 53 25 in the two touchdowns.
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That game winner there late the Q b ars 52.5.
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They're rating is 97.
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5 Eli Manning, and this is where again.
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You go inside the numbers when we talked about this, right? Eli Manning, 15 of 32 032 touchdowns, No picks.
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A 94.
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2 rating, which you can think is pretty solid.
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The Q b R 11 and 1/2.
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So I mean, listen again, I'm not making any excuses.
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I got into this problem last night on some of the Facebook groups that are involved in talking about Oh, you're saying, you know, you're saying that Eli Manning should still be the guy when it wasn't what it waas you like.
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Many has been the one for us for a number of years, but it was more just about what it speaks to the issues in and around this team and the deficiencies that it has that don't point unnecessarily.
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A quarterback is being the problem.
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Daniel Jones has looked better national better flashes than Eli Manning, 38 years old.
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That that wasn't a debate that I was trying to get into, but it's more about the offensive line.
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Play was still a problem.
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Daniel Jones would have had issues if he had no protection from a soldier on that left side.
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Certainly and and then on the defensive side of the ball, we were talking about some of these players in the second Dairy.
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Julian love being a highlight.
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That I think is really played well for this Giants team.
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And I think you can kind of chalk him up.
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Is being a future prospect here now for them, which is exciting, certainly going into next season and looking at that second variance in the hold you have to fill.
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And then you talk about even a guy like DeAndre Baker.
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He had a pretty solid game closed.
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The gap on a number of place out on the perimeter broke up a handful of passes, which I thought was a nice job by him as well.
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So certainly some things to be, you know, excited about.
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I thought that Lorenzo Carter and X Man examines, came into this one and got some nice looks in that Carson once they're certainly I thought that when Williams Dexter Lawrence, you know, they got gassed a little bit on a couple of plays, but by and large against the run, a pretty stout.
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The skin goes back to that second dairy, so you start to think about the draft and free agency and potentially, where is this team gonna have to look, you know, I had said, I don't know how soon or how early you want to go to a secondary player when it comes to the draft.
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But you know, that's only because of the glaring needs that they have that at the the offensive line and left tackle position specifically here.
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If you didn't have those and then you talk about maybe a transcendent talent in Chase Young being there, top of the draft, then I would say, maybe you do start to think about one of these cornerbacks there who's gonna come in theoretically replace Ah, you know, generous Jenkins.
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And if you hit on a cornerback early in this track, then you're talking about again.
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Still, it will work the idea of the rotation of the sand, deal on a baker and see if they can continue to grow and get better.
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I think he'll struggle a little bit last night, which is concerning, given that the Eagles didn't have nearly any of their water.
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Steve, three tight end wide receiver sets at certain points in this one, spreading them out and still being able to have, you know, effective game play.
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But if they can develop and then you bring in the new number one there, then you let you know maybe you let just Baker and, uh, certainly, uh, Senate Bill, come in and compete.
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And then you see what happens over the next season and where you go to from there on that side of the field.
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The other thing was late in this game and again, I don't know which side do you fall on here? That that that last overtime touchdown against Ogle Tree.
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You see him trying to communicate, trying to identify with the cornerbacks with six other linebackers who said was becoming where And there's a breakdown in communication.
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And, you know, the biggest threat hurts is the one who find himself wide open in the end zone, which certainly can't happen.
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Um, I I don't know what that points to the Oh, you know, this is just it's just full honesty here.
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I'm not sure if it points to that.
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The players are unable t run in this scheme in the system.
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Or is it? It is better not communicating his bet you're not putting them in the right positions.
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At that point, it feels like, Okay, you've been given the system that you know the scheme, that you want to run the defensive play you want to run.
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And now, though, coming down to the wire there before the snap, you see Ogle Tree, China communicating last minute.
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Who's going where? What are the assignments on this? So again, um, you know, in Game it makes me feel like it's on the players, not executing what the defensive coordinators put into them.
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But then before the game on the front end of this, when you talk about practice and getting these systems in place, that's where I look at it.
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And I think, well, you know better.
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You these guys think that nose before they get on the field.
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So when the call comes in, everybody knows where they need to go.
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It can't be this thing where a veteran like Older Tree is trying to identify who's gonna go where Or maybe there's some confusion on the outside.
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So probably some plaintiff followed everyone's future, certainly, but nevertheless disappointing, disappointing end of the game, certainly, but I said it in the overtime there as soon as the Giants had lost.
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And then, you know what? If you want to talk back on one other element to I certainly was disappointed.
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A T end of regulation.
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There.
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You get the stop, and once again, we see a number of times start this season.
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Pat Shurmur gets caught in this game playing chicken, I guess with Doug Peterson about calling a timeout or not, Giants have a full complement of time outs of the Eagles have one remaining.
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It's going to be 1/4 and one, uh, they're inside their own zone.
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Eagles have everything to play for in their season, so I don't see them taking that risk and going for it on fourth and one.
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Maybe they dio and maybe by calling a time out there with 40 plus seconds on the clock, you're leaving yourself open to them, having to pick up that first and still have their time out available and give them more looks.
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That's fine, but the reality is, is that if Pat Shurmur calls that time out anywhere before he does was 17 19 seconds left, he could have called it in nearly 50 seconds on the clock, At which point you let's assume that they pump the ball away, right? Because I don't think the Eagles are in a risk if they believe they can get a stop there.
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And I'm not saying that the Giants were going to score on this drive, right? But you call the time out.
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You get Philadelphia to punt the ball away, you're probably gonna get it in and around your 20 to 30 yard line, something along those lines, and you're gonna have 35 to 40 seconds on the clock with two time outs.
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That again, do I think that anything is gonna come in that? Maybe not, But you certainly have toe.
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Want to give the offense one more chance? Try to get another couple of those looks to Darius later.
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Try to get him in a good match of Maybe you're a little work. Something to say, Kwame.
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Bark that at the back there and see what can happen there.
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You're in a relatively no lose situation. One.
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You're too in 10.
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You're in another situation because your season is going nowhere anyway.
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You're also in another situation because the Eagles only had that one time out there anyway.
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So even if you went for it and go for a throw and you don't act on first **** wanna draw play on second down forced the Eagles to maybe take that time out to get it off the clock, but probably not gonna do it anyway.
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They're gonna play for overtime.
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So it was just something about this mentality where Pat Shurmur somehow thinks that, you know, losing in overtime makes it look better than losing in regulation, and I just don't get it.
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And further is the idea that Pat Shurmur is probably in.
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This coaching staff probably needs to be moved on from the secondary piece of that.
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Then, of course, goes into What are the expectations around Dave Gettleman.
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Do you think that she needs to be moved on from here? And we can certainly go into that.
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We can go inside.
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It's a little bit here.
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One of the areas that I want to touch on next is going to be the running back room.
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We highlighted the same game.
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Ah, player like a Jordan Howard, possibly being a nice compliment.
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Still pretty young at 25 26 years old could be a nice opportunity to bring in the guy that can run between the tackles.
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A spell, say, comb, Barclay next year.
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So I want to go into running backs a little bit and get inside some of the players that we can look for there.
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But the other thing that I will try to bring up here quickly is going to be I want to try to see if I can pull up.
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What? I want to get the draft to draft picks here, uh, for the New York football Giants.
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So we'll go back and let's just take a look.
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You know, trying to figure out what we have seen here from the Giants as far as the Galman regime and who has brought it.
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Okay, so we go inside, we go inside here.
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We're going back to this 2019 draft, right? We highlight that.
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Yeah, Daniel Jones, obviously.
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Right.
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And we think that this is gonna be a positive.
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We think that this is identify the Q b of the future for the New York football giants.
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You get into John Drake. DeAndre Baker.
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Here is a bit of an issue, right? We have to wonder what's gonna become of him.
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He's had his issues this year been raiding one lowest cornerback shows a little bit of spark here against a depleted receiving corps, certainly for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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I think jury still has to be out.
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I think, Uh oh, Shane Examine is X Man.
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I think that he has shown a nice job here for this team already and can be a contributor in this linebacking corps.
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He wants to start or not started.
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That's to be determined.
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But I do think that he's shown you enough here, where you feel like he's gonna be a part of this team next season, getting a little bit of, ah, bigger share their spelling, Maybe some of the guys you bring in through free agency or some draft selections that you may take a look at.
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I think that you have an opportunity for success there.
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Julian Love transition from cornerback to safety.
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I think you already showing that he's going to be a hit here for this team.
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A guy like Ryan Connolly before the injury showing flashes doesn't mean he's a starter for this team.
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Maybe, maybe not, but it means it could be a contributor, and in this in this type of New York Giants revealed, That's what you need is reasonable bodies that are able to make plays and play with consistency.
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And I think that he was showing that spark and that ability.
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Big time hit on Darius sleep right? He's already proven that he is a deep threat that he can play possession football when you need him to.
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He's gotten over the top on coverage.
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Is he's shown that run after catch ability that you love.
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So this is a guy that I think has been a massive success for the Giants and immediately helps to ship that that that perspective on this wide receiving corps, We know you have a guy like golden tape veteran getting up in age.
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Sterling Shepard was some injury concerns.
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Certainly, injuries have played Evan Ingram in times in his career as well.
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So getting in a guy like this, I think that he has proven that he can be a legitimate, you know, borderline number one receiver for this team, at least be a part of a nice wide receiver group.
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So I really like what I've seen from him you call that a hit as well? Jury has to be out, obviously, on Ballantine.
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At this point, it had some really ugly games.
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Has shown a couple of flashes with some good play again, though.
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Can't can't say for sure.
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They're certainly.
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And then you talk about a player in Ah Szabo, a Dodge A out of Kentucky gets injured.
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Go isn't on injured reserve.
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I think the jury out is obviously out of him until next season.
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Big body raw player.
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Be curious to see how he looks in the next off season on.
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Then, of course, you also have Ah, Chris lied in there.
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It's Sara.
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Choose who hasn't seen a lot of action as well.
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Much. You're talking injury or not, but we'll take a look.
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Bottom line is here.
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You This drives right now on on as it stands right now, Baker being probably the biggest one that you're concerned about being in miss right? You got Dexter Lawrence there, which I think I almost feel the highlight him.
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He's obviously he is a hit for me as well, and he's going to be a big body in the center of this line for years to come so you don't listen.
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Is the baker is a baker pick potentially going to be missed for this team? Maybe it is.
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When I looked throughout this draft and you go, Daniel Jones feels like a hit.
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Lawrence a hit.
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Ziman has a good contributor.
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Julian Love looks like he's going to be a hit.
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Darius Late Diamond in the rough there, and by the way, you talk about fourth round picks and love.
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You know, love and Connolly fits round pick and Slaten, even Ziman as the third round pick.
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That's not borderline, one that you want to see turn into a player, anything those 1st 3 rounds to see success on So likewise.
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Zim Inez, You talk about Baker in that first round? That's why you're so concerned in and around him.
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But you've already had these guys like Darius leading be a hit there in the fifth round.
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These air late round guys that you feel like you're connecting on.
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So you know, by and large this last draft is a hit for him.
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I know that they're falling off, you know, we're coming underneath a lot of scrutiny. Enter around.
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Certainly I understand it Um, but far more hits than misses and some nice late round picks that we've seen there is.
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Well, let's go inside.
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Now. Back it up. That 2018 draft.
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Hey, we talk about obviously, they make that choice to go with sake.
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Want Barkley? We know what he is, right? A couple of little injury scare early in the season, but by and large, no concerns in and around this player, right? He's a hit.
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Now here's where it is where it gets interesting.
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You get into this 2018 draft because this is the problem that you're talking about.
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Uh, notable.
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We go back end of this.
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The notable rookie freedoms that the Giants have brought in were Sean Chandler just got back on the field that healthy recently.
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Tae Davis, who was released now playing out there in Cleveland.
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And then he got Grant Haley, who has certainly looked very regress this year, is, well, supplemental draft that took the sand took Sam Beale finally gets back on the field this season.
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You showed some flashes.
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I think you've been contributor.
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Third round pick is the guy you want to pan out of.
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You have some concerns and curiosities about.
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Here's where it becomes concerning going back to this 2018 draft.
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Macintosh hasn't seen a lot of playing time on the field in 2019 was injured that rookie year came on late.
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Look at you showed a flash, but nothing really doing.
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Kyle Loleta moved on from it.
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That quarterback position had a problem with that pick of the time fourth round quarterback.
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I just don't understand it at the time.
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I think I've got to wrap it around by saying, Well, if you're the New York football Giants and you have Pat Shurmur a quarterback guru, okay, she's gonna go ahead and take this guy and try to develop him over a season and potentially is going to be a starter for you down the line.
00:21:10
Obviously, that doesn't pan out whatsoever.
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I like still for me.
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I like Lorenzo Carter.
00:21:16
I know it's been a little bit of a debate in and around him, but I think that he's a solid player and possibly could get kicked inside in this linebacking corps.
00:21:24
See who else you bring in again.
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The value of players has to be assessed by what pieces are around them.
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as well, affording them the opportunity to have success certainly young early in their careers.
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So I like Carter B.
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J.
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Hill, who showed a little bit in this past game against the Eagles in there in a couple of plays.
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But by and large, I was miss labeling Dalvin Tomlinson 94 95 in terms of their Jersey numbers.
00:21:46
But be jail another guy.
00:21:48
The question mark there, Right? What's gonna happen with him in this offseason? Jerry talking about just a year later? You know, after two years on the roster, some of these players eventually not being there, Will Hernandez has obviously been a starter for this team.
00:22:00
I've been highlighting my concerns and around him.
00:22:03
My bigger concern is that he's paired next to a neat soldier, and then he's in between him and have appeal there.
00:22:09
The center position And how much is that poor play around him, impacting his ability to have success and, interestingly enough, against pro football focus numbers, he's actually degrading as a better a better pass rusher than run blocker at times.
00:22:23
So that certainly is a concern, was well, but again, I do look at the line of the hold pieces around him as being a big issue there.
00:22:29
So when you look back at that 2018 draft Bill Gold Barclay a hit, you can call Hernandez borderline.
00:22:35
Let's see what happens this next season.
00:22:37
I like Lorenzo Carter, B J Hill, Macintosh.
00:22:40
Loleta these roll guys that were kind of out there in the wind now and then back McIntosh Well, I mentioned there and then you get into someone like Sam Bill, you spent that third round supplemental draft pick.
00:22:51
Now you start to wonder he asked that he actually it does become pretty important in this As far as making that equality draft.
00:22:58
I think the 2019 draft looks a little bit better in a little bit brighter for the Giants, certainly than this has.
00:23:04
Now, if you want to go into the free agent signings, this again is a notable issue here for the New York football giants because you're talking about bringing in Corinne Martin now.
00:23:16
And here's where the issue that you have and I always kind of say about this is when you're talking about the signs that you make, you have to, you have to at least be acknowledging of the fact that Dave Gentleman comes in and Mayor says, I want to be competitive, right? I want to be able to try to compete this upcoming season.
00:23:33
Now I can shake my head coming into the 2019 season and say they should have known better after last year.
00:23:38
But going to 2018 season, you're tasking, Gettleman, we need to do a couple of things right, build for the future and also try to give us an opportunity to win.
00:23:46
Now, in the twilight of your time in his career.
00:23:48
This is what this would Amara is feeling.
00:23:50
Is the opportunity certainly.
00:23:52
Um, so we talk about you know who they looked at and who they brought in over the course of that season.
00:23:59
Signings that they brought in were Corinne Martin.
00:24:01
Now, again, at the time you thought better system, you bring in a familiar face.
00:24:05
He played okay last year.
00:24:06
We see off their injury whatever and has fallen right down the depth chart again.
00:24:10
It does come down to depth on a roster and playing time getting dictated that way.
00:24:15
The big one, obviously, Nate soldier was a huge miss.
00:24:18
Their ah, 40 years.
00:24:19
$62 million deal again.
00:24:21
Out of necessity, you need to go sign someone.
00:24:23
I don't know if you should be doing that, though, right? I mean, I think you take a look around the league and you wonder you remember that that was the year where they wanted Norwell from.
00:24:31
Ah, Carolina a guard.
00:24:34
But if you wanted him to go spend the big money on the player you truly want, Don't pivot and make a knee jerk reaction and sign Nate soldier who has been an unmitigated disaster for them.
00:24:44
You brought in Patrick.
00:24:45
Oh, Mama, That was a miss.
00:24:46
Obviously, at the guard position.
00:24:48
Not not on the roster.
00:24:50
Now, Cody Latimer was brought in.
00:24:53
Michael Thomas Scott. Simon Sin.
00:24:55
You talk about Zach? Karen? That's kind of a nonsensical one there.
00:25:00
Connor Barwin played for one year, obviously.
00:25:02
And miss overall there you say as well a guy like Leonard Johnson again.
00:25:06
One small contract.
00:25:07
They're some of the big names that I would look at that I think about.
00:25:10
You know, I think that Michael Thomas been a special teams.
00:25:12
Ah, contributor.
00:25:13
Very solid player for us.
00:25:15
Good depth.
00:25:16
So actually has a smart signing and a good signing as they'll come up on free agency now.
00:25:20
Uh huh.
00:25:22
You know, following that.
00:25:23
Now then you talk about Cody Latimer injuries.
00:25:26
Nothing really to write home about there.
00:25:28
I think he's been amiss.
00:25:29
The name Soldier one.
00:25:30
So most of free agent signings are not particularly impressive here for the year football giants.
00:25:37
Then you get inside players that were signed after being cut.
00:25:40
This is the big one.
00:25:41
Everybody knows Jonathan Stewart, obviously a big swing and a miss.
00:25:44
They're trying to bring in a veteran presence, you know, two years. Seven.
00:25:49
The number was really absurd.
00:25:50
$7 million feels that that was a gift from Gentleman to Jonathan Stewart.
00:25:55
Teddy Williams don't even know who that is.
00:25:57
BJ Webb played a cornerback for one year old is obviously a guy like Josh Morrow Signed a one year deal. He's gone.
00:26:04
William Gay, Alex Tanney, Francis Auri on Stuart Russell Shepard.
00:26:09
There's a guy you know stuck around with This team came back.
00:26:12
A special teams contributor, John Jones.
00:26:15
There on the offensive line. Nothing doing.
00:26:17
John Jenkins and Nate Stupor, so stupid place for one season obviously moved on as Well, so you know, Not a lot to write home about when you talk about what he did in free agency after that draft there you and then this is where you start to be concerned, right? That's a 2018 free agency period.
00:26:34
And then we say, Ah, guys, they signed off the street.
00:26:38
Quote unquote.
00:26:39
Just running through a really quick aside.
00:26:40
Alonzo Russell.
00:26:41
He ends up still on the practice.
00:26:43
Want now this year, Immunity.
00:26:44
Some potential there, young player.
00:26:46
But Bennie Fowler doesn't move the needle for you Just flashing through the nature.
00:26:50
No one really have known that they brought in there that did anything for them, and then you talk about recent practice was players were at a tower there.
00:26:57
The wide receiver uh Cooper McKinnon.
00:27:01
You know, Tim Scott, the cornerback? Nothing really worth noting there, either.
00:27:05
So, you know, a relatively lackluster free agent and certainly the big splash being a big negative there for the New York football giants.
00:27:15
Let's go inside this free agency the past season now, right? The exclusive rights free agency that were You know, if tender they had a penny jalape o on then a couple other guys Rose sauce.
00:27:27
Was there a CZ? Well, so the restricted free agents that Tenney, Coleman, Spencer, Polian, Hamilton, right? So they go ahead and that you see Jonathan Stewart goes out the door, they re signed Simonson Seems like a basic with I don't know if that was really necessary coating Vladimir again.
00:27:44
That's a whiff for May I talk about that Alonzo Russell player on highlight this in the preseason.
00:27:48
Going back to what I was seeing from him doesn't mean that I thought he was going to be a world turner.
00:27:53
But I did think at the very least, what I expected was you give a young player an opportunity as opposed to what they've done.
00:27:59
Now, where you just end up bringing back you brought back Cody Latimer.
00:28:02
You brought back Bennie Fowler and guys and really just don't move the needle that brought back Russell Shepard.
00:28:06
I was okay with that.
00:28:07
Contributor gets injured.
00:28:08
Not much you can do about that.
00:28:11
Um, you know Mario Edwards carry, win Morrow.
00:28:14
These guys all move on to other teams.
00:28:15
They brought back stupor.
00:28:16
Huge mess.
00:28:17
He ends up getting released during the season.
00:28:19
BJ Web signs away to the Bangles.
00:28:22
Nothing else really worth noting here, but the free agent that were brought in here is where you talk about trying to judge these right running back Rod Smith.
00:28:31
That's a Net zero, and it wasn't a big contract, but nothing doing their Olsen Pierre defensive end.
00:28:37
Nothing doing there really hasn't seen a lot of the field buried on the depth chart.
00:28:40
Markus Golden, certainly a hit right, has had a nice game for them, and I season for them. And now you wonder.
00:28:46
What will the Giants look to do in the off season in terms of re signing him.
00:28:50
Then you talk about Golden Tate, Miss.
00:28:51
Four games to dispensing has sown some flashes, but again as the big free agent signing.
00:28:57
Not unlike a Nate soldier, this feels like a bit of a swing and a miss.
00:29:01
Certainly you go back and think about again.
00:29:03
What was the thinking within the organization? A veteran wide receiver to go through veteran quarterback great two games in the season? You banshee lie, man, and you start to rookie Daniel Jones.
00:29:11
You start to wonder, Why did you spend four years and 37 a half 1,000,000 on a wide receiver that's on the back and his career and creates a bit of a redundancy with Sterling Shepherd.
00:29:21
There, free agents that were signed.
00:29:24
Sorry. After they were cut by another team.
00:29:26
We get inside this one, right? We talked about Antoine Buffet.
00:29:29
It's a big swing and a miss.
00:29:30
Don't expect him to be back next year to year six and 1/2 $1,000,000 deal, My grammars.
00:29:34
One year deal he'll be gone.
00:29:36
Has played okay to slightly below average ball on the offensive line.
00:29:41
Eric Tomlinson There.
00:29:42
The tight end.
00:29:43
Nothing doing believe you got hurt.
00:29:45
Went along the way.
00:29:46
John Buchanan has been a relative No show here getting signed just around the trade deadline area off the street.
00:29:52
And then, Ah, David Mayo has been a contributor and I think is showing you something.
00:29:57
Do I think again I feel like people in the cream Martin category.
00:30:00
You thought Martin looked okay last year doing some nice things, you know, not necessarily a world burner.
00:30:06
And then now it's like, Well, mayo little bit better, right? Showing you a little bit more than what Corinne Martin showed for you.
00:30:11
It doesn't mean that an overall, though, for the quality of the team that you don't need to still get better across the board there as well.
00:30:18
Some guys that got signed back to the practice squad.
00:30:20
Nothing really to write home about here.
00:30:22
Not going to really go to that.
00:30:23
I will go into the off the street signings when you talk about Devora Javorius.
00:30:28
Alan hasn't seen the field at all.
00:30:31
Uh, Tower, he ends up on the practice.
00:30:33
What, again? I'm fine with him.
00:30:34
I like him as a young player.
00:30:36
Um, nobody else really Here has been a guy got signed and has resulted in being someone that has contributed by any stretch of the imagination.
00:30:47
So hey, this is the issue to not a lot of free agency moves that have paid off or worked out for the Giants.
00:30:54
So now when you go big picture about Dave Gettleman taking in totality, you've got one shaky draft in 2018 with a disappointing let down free agency period.
00:31:05
You come into 2019 you say looks like more positive than negative.
00:31:09
Out of the draft.
00:31:10
I like most of what we've seen here.
00:31:11
Jury's out on a couple of players, but I like what he did in this draft.
00:31:15
Free agent Superior again, though more misses than hits.
00:31:18
This is, of course.
00:31:19
And if you want to go, you know, big picture and silver lining.
00:31:22
This is what it was about those about getting to this free agency, period, being able to address some of the needs.
00:31:27
But this team has If gentlemen is still the general manager, then he has a lot of work to do and a lot of capital to do it with.
00:31:36
If you're going to turn the page, this might be the best time to do it.
00:31:39
Because you're talking about being bringing in fresh set of eyes of fresh coaching staff, a new GM that gets to say, with all of this capital, What are the guys that I want to sweep rate off this roster? Get into that offensive line.
00:31:52
See you later. Remembers off of his contract.
00:31:54
Drop the dead weight of Nate, soldier.
00:31:56
You know, move on from jalape o.
00:31:58
Let's try to read.
00:31:59
Oh, this line and free agency Possibly.
00:32:01
Let's know we're gonna look to the draft as well.
00:32:03
Certainly secondary.
00:32:04
And what do we want to do Linebacker's where do we want to go here.
00:32:07
So that's kind of where I lead when it comes to this situation for the Giants, where you have to wonder if you're going to commit, you're you're giving Dave Gettleman a lot of money to work with here.
00:32:18
You haven't had a lot the last couple of years.
00:32:20
Now he has big capital to work with.
00:32:22
So now if you go into the offseason with him, you are pot committed on what he's going to do for this team was gonna do for this roster, and then that's going to affect you for the next 2 to 3 years.
00:32:32
So this is the time when you need to make the choice.
00:32:34
If you're going to move on from him before we get out the door here.
00:32:39
The real reason that we came in here wants to go ahead and take a look at free agent running backs around the league.
00:32:45
And then a brief look at the draft class and where we think the Giants can look to go Now.
00:32:50
Obviously you have, say, Kwame Barkley, this is about creating, uh, not a once you punch, but just someone who can spell him.
00:32:58
We highlighted on the broadcast last night.
00:32:59
You think about Camaro? Had Ingram there with a very much a 12 dynamic.
00:33:03
But now, even with even with Murray, they're still able to spell him.
00:33:07
Run between the tackles.
00:33:08
Being more physical, runner free up.
00:33:11
Uh, you know, Camara to get out there and catch passes out of the backfield.
00:33:16
Now the Giants have to look around the league and just think, Who could we possibly bring in? That gives an opportunity for sake one bark and stay fresh throughout a game coming to be as effective as possible.
00:33:26
You're still gonna get 2025 touches.
00:33:28
But if you know 10 to 12 of them are coming through the passing game and allowing to go out in space and then trying to get some of those nice runs on the edge, You know, you certainly would like to make sure that you keep him available throughout the season and not picking up a nagging injury, especially in difficult games.
00:33:45
We need to stay in between the tackles.
00:33:46
Games worth getting ugly in the trenches.
00:33:48
You like to have someone you can rely on I don't not like Wayne Goldman, but you haven't seen him get a lot of looks here and again.
00:33:54
It goes back to the coaching staff and what they think about it.
00:33:57
But certainly as you look into free agency, number of guys are gonna be available.
00:34:02
We will go.
00:34:03
I'll go unrestricted free agent for this particular look.
00:34:06
Just do that.
00:34:08
We're not talking about guys.
00:34:09
That team's gonna have their first right there.
00:34:11
Well, you got Lamar Miller out and used.
00:34:13
And that's enough to know for me, Chris Thompson in Washington, Another past for me as well.
00:34:18
The Shawmut McCoy, Carlos Hyde coming out of Houston.
00:34:22
I'm listen. He's still just 20 years old.
00:34:24
It feels like he should be 40 but he's just 28 years old.
00:34:27
I wouldn't necessarily want to move the needle on him by any stretch of the imagination.
00:34:32
I think Melvin Gordon is gonna want a big contract.
00:34:35
Now you get down.
00:34:36
It's like the field ready if you're ready.
00:34:37
Only 29 years old.
00:34:39
How about that in Denver after his time in Detroit? There.
00:34:42
Wow, He's gotten old in a hurry.
00:34:43
You think? Feel ready, being older than Carlos Heights.
00:34:46
It feels absurd, right? Derrick Henry.
00:34:49
You would expect that he gets brought back there in Tennessee? Certainly.
00:34:54
And then you got Darren Sproles.
00:34:55
At 37 he'll be done.
00:34:57
Frank Gore, 33 7 years old, Frank.
00:34:59
Or, you know, maybe a guy like Peyton Barber out of, Ah, out of Tampa Bay.
00:35:03
You want to take a little look at him? As you can tell, Not a lot of great great players that certainly have a peek at a guy.
00:35:10
Like what about, You know, Kenyon Drake.
00:35:12
Arizona trades for him.
00:35:13
Will they go to bring him back? Possibly.
00:35:16
Ah, there's really not a lot of names as you go down this list.
00:35:20
So unless you're gonna go with a veteran ish style guy, you start to go inside the draft, and this is where we think certainly for me personally, you know? Where do you want to go? You're not going first round.
00:35:33
You're not going in the first round guy or even a second round guy.
00:35:35
There's too many needs here.
00:35:37
So we move ourselves well down the list here, getting into, You know that this is now where the 9th 10th rights running back in the league, where you can still find prospects, though anyone that maybe falls in that chute of four range.
00:35:50
Maybe you can back end them certainly, and look to get someone value there.
00:35:56
So we want to take a look at.
00:35:58
Maybe a guy like Harris out of Alabama runs a 45 40 to 36 foot two big bruiser, right? You're talking about a physical player, you know they're highlighting here through the end of November is average 5.
00:36:11
9 per carry, 642 yards, five touchdowns as 16 receptions for 1 71 Not necessarily.
00:36:19
And his four scores scores a receiver as well.
00:36:21
So he has got some nice touchdown looks.
00:36:23
16 catches, not necessarily world burning, but can't do it.
00:36:26
And he feels like, as they say, you might want to go looking at Ah, Josh, Jacob's a Damian Harris or even a Derrick Henry in terms of what he looks like for the NFL standpoint, he's a big backhoe, asked some quickness and athleticism over the past few seasons, has not run to his size and look to bounce out human.
00:36:43
He carries to the outside rather than use his power and staying behind those tackles.
00:36:47
So that would be concern.
00:36:49
If he's not going to use that physical manner lately, especially, they're highlighting l issue of Mississippi State games.
00:36:55
He's one aggressively downhill and decisive.
00:36:57
So you start to wonder, Ah, whether or not it's a guy protecting himself, the college love before against the pros.
00:37:04
But I think if you're a guy, you know, they can stay between the tackles.
00:37:09
That six foot 22 30 frame, he would not be an ideal fit for the Giants in this scheme.
00:37:14
You look it may be a Paree in there out of Florida, certainly a Scottie Phillips there in Old Miss.
00:37:20
But I'm looking for more some of these physical, bigger backs.
00:37:24
You know, a guy like cash on Vaughn at a Vanderbilt 5 10 to 15 runs of 45 40.
00:37:32
This is his averaging 5.
00:37:33
3 has 1000 yards on the season, nine touchdowns certainly is at 28 receptions to 81 so he's doing all things nicely.
00:37:41
Here, Uh, does a nice job through contact at the collegiate level and has been out would outrun a couple of defenders.
00:37:49
Certainly, too. So at least a little bit of quickness and a burst.
00:37:51
You wonder about him, but for again, and these are guys that we're talking about, 2 to 4.
00:37:56
So maybe someone looking them in the third in the third round.
00:37:59
And I don't think the Giants can afford to risk to do that.
00:38:02
A guy like Joshua Kelly at a U. C. L.
00:38:05
A.
00:38:06
Was benched in season over in Cincinnati, but his return to the lineup and on the years gone 4.
00:38:10
7 984 yards, 11 touchdowns.
00:38:13
So you know, maybe a player like that is production could climb as you look to work through it. Here.
00:38:19
Uh, I'm trying trying.
00:38:20
I'm looking at a guy that maybe fits the bill for this team in terms of giving a dynamic.
00:38:26
Now I'm saying about going bigger body and larger size guys talk about a guy like Jay Jay Taylor at Arizona.
00:38:32
His average five yards per carry as five touchdowns on the year, 29 receptions.
00:38:37
So you wanna have multiple options? He's a someone who's looking for a rotational back.
00:38:43
This could be a guy like that, and maybe that is the way the Giants like to go around and talking about a rotation here in some ways, and maybe you want to go with some quickness, opportunity to catch out of the backfield.
00:38:52
So you're still maintaining an offensive dynamic that allows for Daniel Jones under center.
00:38:57
Have options.
00:38:58
One of the things I think Goldman the struggle with is receiving out of the backfield.
00:39:01
So do you wanna have a guy that has a level of balance? And if the Giants were gonna go that way, maybe a player like Jay Jay Taylor highlights to go in that 3rd 3 to 5 round range.
00:39:10
Somewhere along those ways.
00:39:12
Let's try to go this deep prospect here before we get out the door.
00:39:16
I want to go.
00:39:17
I want to get someone that's really gonna be down the list here.
00:39:19
A little ways on Just see.
00:39:22
So let's talk about Louisiana Lafayette running back Elijah Mitchell, 5 11 to 21 projected to go back into the draft.
00:39:29
He's averaged six yards a carry, 905 yards, 14 touchdowns.
00:39:33
A lot of receptions on the year, Uh, but he's running there with a tandem in this roster.
00:39:39
He's a thick power back.
00:39:41
Who's made it onto onto some of these watch lists because of what he did in 2018 averaging 6.7 per carry.
00:39:48
Nine. Understand seven yards of 13 touches.
00:39:50
So here's a guy that is physical enough has some explosion that maybe you could think.
00:39:56
Ah, late round prospect of the Giants would want to take a peak.
00:39:59
Yet I'll dive in a little bit more on some of these guys, but you know, by and large is obviously fall down a list of things.
00:40:05
Maybe when you look at that free agent class, you do think about the I mean, honestly, I wouldn't I wouldn't hesitate to maybe take a flier on a Carlos Hyde.
00:40:13
It's a price tag was right.
00:40:15
A 28 29 years old.
00:40:16
I think he's at least shown enough ability that he's not a John and Stewart hasn't broken down like that s o.
00:40:22
Maybe that someone you do you want to take a flier on beyond him? I don't see a lot of guys.
00:40:27
He's curiously what happened with Kenyon Drake.
00:40:30
They're certainly, but you figure he's looking to get a bit of a payday for himself.
00:40:33
Um, not a lot of opportunities outside of that in this region than Jordan.
00:40:37
Howard was the other guy.
00:40:39
Excuse me that I forgot the highlight here.
00:40:42
He's a player who is surprisingly enough, just 25 26 years old, play with Chicago 1st 1st 3 seasons, right, gets traded and is now gonna go into this at 25 years old and unrestricted free agent.
00:40:55
Here's a player that I honestly think the Giants would be doing themselves a favor by at least taking a look at, because I think that he does enough of everything well for you that he can contribute inside the tackles and outside.
00:41:11
Good physical runner, certainly still young enough that is gonna have tread on the tire willing, maybe looking for a decent sized contract.
00:41:17
I think the running back rotation that he's fallen into a certainly diminished his value probably say he's played, you know, 119 carries off, averaging 4.
00:41:29
4 per carry, 525 yards on this season.
00:41:33
Ah, 69 pro football focus rating, you know, Listen, you know, does that blow your top off? Maybe not, but I think that he's a guy that would come at the right price tag for the Giants that in free agency, they might have an opportunity to get him off to this roster and be a contributor inside this running back room in a different way from a Wayne Goldman from the Rod Smith of the world.
00:41:54
So that's Mia.
00:41:55
I need to keep an eye, and I'm gonna know him down on the on the board here for the Giants when it comes to free agency, depending on what price tag you're talking about.
00:42:02
23 words bring in as a contributor.
00:42:04
So with that, we wrap up and get out the door here, kind of taking a look at last night's game and just some of the thoughts about Eli Manning, obviously, and then touching on some of these free and prospects and the issues that the Giants are facing As we continue to move through this season, they keep their draft stock high now to an 11 tightly clenched into that number two spot.
00:42:24
Feels like that.
00:42:25
They're gonna be able to hold himself true to it, and we'll take a look.
00:42:28
It was last couple games.
00:42:29
I think they can win a game against Washington or against Miami and still keep themselves in that number two draft spot.
00:42:34
So you certainly will keep our fingers crossed.
00:42:36
Moving forward.
00:42:37
I'll check in throughout the week We want to do definitely get back on here and go back over.
00:42:41
All the players you talked about, the position that we've highlighted, just bullet point.
00:42:44
The guys that work looking at it for you can see it in the draft there and kind of establish our big board. Four.
00:42:50
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00:42:52
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00:42:53
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00:43:00
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Free Agency/Draft: Running Backs

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Adam Armbrecht @OneGiantPodcast

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welcome back into a one giant podcast coming to you live on the sports Caster platform.
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Ahem.
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Excuse May.
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Following up on what was a disappointing loss of depending on your perspective.
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Here in the game between the New York football giants down there in Philadelphia, taking on the Eagles, they come out on the short side of a 23 17 loss.
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We briefly take a look inside these numbers a SZ faras.
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The Giants are concerned.
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And what maybe went right or more accurately, what went wrong here for the New York Giants.
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This was a difficult game, right? You felt like certainly there.
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Early on, we get the nostalgia of Eli Manning getting a start in the first half of this one.
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He goes 11 of Ah, uh, should be 19.
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I believe it was 1 79 2 touchdowns connecting with young variously so, uh, you know, a little bit of throw back, right? Had you feeling like maybe there was some magic here and certainly they all had an opportunity.
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Giants score 17 points in that second quarter on, then surrender seven in the 3rd 7 in the fourth, followed up by was ultimately the game winning touchdown there to Zach Ertz in overtime.
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There's a lot of things that you can look at inside of this one.
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I mean, listen, Eli Manning side of it and probably heard around social media today.
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Ah, you know, on the first, take Stephen A.
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Smith talking about the credentials or lack thereof.
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40 line banning when it comes to the Hall of Fame.
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Ah, I'm not going to go to in depth on that beyond, to say, I know that you can talk about now being a quarterback below 500 on his career record.
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Obviously, the interception numbers over his career you can point to those as well, hasn't been to the playoffs in a number of the last few seasons.
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But for May I I still do.
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Come back to it and say Someone had very telling stat this morning that when you dive inside the numbers a CZ faras the most clutch quarterback in playoff history, it's Eli Manning, and that's over.
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I think, on 3 65 sports, they ran that through, came back with Eli, Manning said.
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We need to retool this thing and make sure that we're hunting percent on it. get out.
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Some of the fringe guys.
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The one offs like Dilfer on and cubes of like that made into a Super Bowl is certainly their career.
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But by no stretch would anyone even think they're in that kind of conversation.
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So they went ahead and did it again, and he was still number one and then had number two Joe Montana, regarded by one of the most clutch quarterback, certainly in NFL history.
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So there's that aspect of it.
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Um, it wasn't I'm a pure Giants fans, so ultimately, I'm gonna sit on the side of Eli.
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Manning won two Super Bowl championships.
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He went on to historic playoff runs in those seasons.
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Obviously, the longevity is career as we stay the best, no ability is availability.
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And I would stand to think, um, this isn't it again, I'm not gonna overly defend it.
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But if you think about the number of games over the course of his career that Eli Manning played in, or maybe he wasn't as healthy as you would have liked to have been a lot of quarterbacks.
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A lot of players in the NFL do this, but I'm sure there were a handful of games that he would have been better served to avoid some of the hits that he took.
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That being said, you know, he's a 38 year old quarterback.
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We've been hearing this in and around Social media, certainly a zay catch.
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Of course.
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The obligatory ad here, Running force and gentlemen, Jack, if that's something that you're interested in, uh, but, you know, it is what it is.
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His career has come to a close.
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I think that more than anything, what you're really highlight.
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Coming out of this 23 to 17 loss is that this is a team that again we've been talking about this on the podcast in here on SportsCastr.
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This isn't a good football team.
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Ah, this isn't This wasn't a fantastic secondary for the Eagles.
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We've seen other Q B's have some success against them and the fact that Pat Shurmur is unable to make some adjustments at halftime and continue to find ways to have success going into that second half of this game and continue get some points on the board is just astounding.
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Get shut out over the state there, fourth quarter and then obviously the overtime touchdown there.
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But to not be able to move the ball.
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It all offensively certainly is an issue for them.
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I highlighted this on the broadcast last night.
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Named Soldier is a clear and present issue for this roster you can talk about.
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Across the line is a hole, and you know, some of the areas and players that have unnecessary lived up to what expectations were Hernandez a concern there? Certainly.
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How? Appeal.
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But nevertheless, you have to take that step back and just realize that Nate Soldier has been absolutely that disaster in this game.
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Specifically, on the two sacks that Curry got off that left edge on both plays, it was an opportunity where on the 1st 1 Nate Soldier has tight and shipping, and it was a bleed.
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Kidding. Smith on both, Please.
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It could have been Simonson Pressure was Kid Smith on both.
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He goes ahead and give that shut on.
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Curry pushes him further outside and all that Nate soldier has to do.
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Not all of that, but he's done his job the tight, and he's moved him further outside of the pocket and extended his routes to get to the quarterback named Soldiers.
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Job is to just go ahead and step over.
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Take that shock.
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He's a little bit off balance to get in there on top of him.
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Keep pushing him off field away from the quarterback, instead following the chip from the tight end named Soldier.
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Can't get himself out and over there in time, and he sweeps right around to get to the line.
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Manning.
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The 2nd 1 is where, even though you can say the tight end, you certainly gets held up right there in his position.
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May be taking a step back, but Nate solder tripped over his feet, trying to get around to the outside.
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Now I'm not gonna beautiful too heavy on this play, but the same hunt where the design is to allow you to have a guy to get pushed around the outside of the pocket so that you can continue to get better position and work him up.
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Field away from the quarterback and you're unable to do that.
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That's amusing.
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Excusable.
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If he's either one of these plays have gone the other way.
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We're Nate soldier, so let's say you know tight end mate soldiers.
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Here it is.
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He's moving over this side there to make to get into prison where he's supposed to be and Curry comes inside on the tight end.
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Meeting that tight end has messed up now, his responsibilities on that play, then I can understand it, but you're not getting.
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I've seen that happen.
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What you're seeing is the tight end doing his job name, soldier, knowing that that's what he's supposed to be doing and then still not being able to get over there, get out of the perimeter and defend against the legs of curves.
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So, uh, you know, that's the footnote in and around this game.
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Obviously, it's disappointing.
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Disappointing from a Eli Manning back on the field standpoint ends up finishing 15 to 30 in this 107 9 yards in the first half.
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Finished, which is a hair over 200 in this.
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So really, a defense that has been struggling for the Philadelphia Eagles ends up being able to shut out the Giants again.
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It speaks to Pat Shurmur is lack of in game adjustments and ability to make some changes to try to get things going for this offense on the defensive side of the ball.
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I mean, I'm really not going to hurt them too much by the time you get down there.
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Excuse me, I apologize.
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The cold weather is getting to me by the time you get down to that point of the game, you saw it over the third and fourth quarter.
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Ah, you know, these long drives that the Eagles were going on and I said it in the broadcast last night.
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This was going to take its toll on this team.
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The defense was going to get worn down and you went inside those numbers and saw a CZ we highlighted there.
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That time of possession was brutal by the end of this 1 42 nearly 43 minutes to 22 minutes in favor off the Philadelphia Eagles.
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A lot of time on the field there for this New York Giants defense, and they eventually just get eaten up by the end of it, which happens a lot in Giants games.
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You Carson Wentz ends up going 33 of 53 25 in the two touchdowns.
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That game winner there late the Q b ars 52.5.
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They're rating is 97.
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5 Eli Manning, and this is where again.
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You go inside the numbers when we talked about this, right? Eli Manning, 15 of 32 032 touchdowns, No picks.
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A 94.
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2 rating, which you can think is pretty solid.
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The Q b R 11 and 1/2.
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So I mean, listen again, I'm not making any excuses.
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I got into this problem last night on some of the Facebook groups that are involved in talking about Oh, you're saying, you know, you're saying that Eli Manning should still be the guy when it wasn't what it waas you like.
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Many has been the one for us for a number of years, but it was more just about what it speaks to the issues in and around this team and the deficiencies that it has that don't point unnecessarily.
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A quarterback is being the problem.
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Daniel Jones has looked better national better flashes than Eli Manning, 38 years old.
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That that wasn't a debate that I was trying to get into, but it's more about the offensive line.
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Play was still a problem.
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Daniel Jones would have had issues if he had no protection from a soldier on that left side.
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Certainly and and then on the defensive side of the ball, we were talking about some of these players in the second Dairy.
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Julian love being a highlight.
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That I think is really played well for this Giants team.
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And I think you can kind of chalk him up.
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Is being a future prospect here now for them, which is exciting, certainly going into next season and looking at that second variance in the hold you have to fill.
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And then you talk about even a guy like DeAndre Baker.
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He had a pretty solid game closed.
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The gap on a number of place out on the perimeter broke up a handful of passes, which I thought was a nice job by him as well.
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So certainly some things to be, you know, excited about.
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I thought that Lorenzo Carter and X Man examines, came into this one and got some nice looks in that Carson once they're certainly I thought that when Williams Dexter Lawrence, you know, they got gassed a little bit on a couple of plays, but by and large against the run, a pretty stout.
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The skin goes back to that second dairy, so you start to think about the draft and free agency and potentially, where is this team gonna have to look, you know, I had said, I don't know how soon or how early you want to go to a secondary player when it comes to the draft.
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But you know, that's only because of the glaring needs that they have that at the the offensive line and left tackle position specifically here.
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If you didn't have those and then you talk about maybe a transcendent talent in Chase Young being there, top of the draft, then I would say, maybe you do start to think about one of these cornerbacks there who's gonna come in theoretically replace Ah, you know, generous Jenkins.
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And if you hit on a cornerback early in this track, then you're talking about again.
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Still, it will work the idea of the rotation of the sand, deal on a baker and see if they can continue to grow and get better.
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I think he'll struggle a little bit last night, which is concerning, given that the Eagles didn't have nearly any of their water.
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Steve, three tight end wide receiver sets at certain points in this one, spreading them out and still being able to have, you know, effective game play.
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But if they can develop and then you bring in the new number one there, then you let you know maybe you let just Baker and, uh, certainly, uh, Senate Bill, come in and compete.
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And then you see what happens over the next season and where you go to from there on that side of the field.
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The other thing was late in this game and again, I don't know which side do you fall on here? That that that last overtime touchdown against Ogle Tree.
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You see him trying to communicate, trying to identify with the cornerbacks with six other linebackers who said was becoming where And there's a breakdown in communication.
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And, you know, the biggest threat hurts is the one who find himself wide open in the end zone, which certainly can't happen.
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Um, I I don't know what that points to the Oh, you know, this is just it's just full honesty here.
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I'm not sure if it points to that.
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The players are unable t run in this scheme in the system.
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Or is it? It is better not communicating his bet you're not putting them in the right positions.
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At that point, it feels like, Okay, you've been given the system that you know the scheme, that you want to run the defensive play you want to run.
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And now, though, coming down to the wire there before the snap, you see Ogle Tree, China communicating last minute.
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Who's going where? What are the assignments on this? So again, um, you know, in Game it makes me feel like it's on the players, not executing what the defensive coordinators put into them.
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But then before the game on the front end of this, when you talk about practice and getting these systems in place, that's where I look at it.
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And I think, well, you know better.
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You these guys think that nose before they get on the field.
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So when the call comes in, everybody knows where they need to go.
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It can't be this thing where a veteran like Older Tree is trying to identify who's gonna go where Or maybe there's some confusion on the outside.
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So probably some plaintiff followed everyone's future, certainly, but nevertheless disappointing, disappointing end of the game, certainly, but I said it in the overtime there as soon as the Giants had lost.
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And then, you know what? If you want to talk back on one other element to I certainly was disappointed.
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A T end of regulation.
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There.
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You get the stop, and once again, we see a number of times start this season.
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Pat Shurmur gets caught in this game playing chicken, I guess with Doug Peterson about calling a timeout or not, Giants have a full complement of time outs of the Eagles have one remaining.
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It's going to be 1/4 and one, uh, they're inside their own zone.
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Eagles have everything to play for in their season, so I don't see them taking that risk and going for it on fourth and one.
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Maybe they dio and maybe by calling a time out there with 40 plus seconds on the clock, you're leaving yourself open to them, having to pick up that first and still have their time out available and give them more looks.
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That's fine, but the reality is, is that if Pat Shurmur calls that time out anywhere before he does was 17 19 seconds left, he could have called it in nearly 50 seconds on the clock, At which point you let's assume that they pump the ball away, right? Because I don't think the Eagles are in a risk if they believe they can get a stop there.
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And I'm not saying that the Giants were going to score on this drive, right? But you call the time out.
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You get Philadelphia to punt the ball away, you're probably gonna get it in and around your 20 to 30 yard line, something along those lines, and you're gonna have 35 to 40 seconds on the clock with two time outs.
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That again, do I think that anything is gonna come in that? Maybe not, But you certainly have toe.
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Want to give the offense one more chance? Try to get another couple of those looks to Darius later.
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Try to get him in a good match of Maybe you're a little work. Something to say, Kwame.
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Bark that at the back there and see what can happen there.
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You're in a relatively no lose situation. One.
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You're too in 10.
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You're in another situation because your season is going nowhere anyway.
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You're also in another situation because the Eagles only had that one time out there anyway.
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So even if you went for it and go for a throw and you don't act on first **** wanna draw play on second down forced the Eagles to maybe take that time out to get it off the clock, but probably not gonna do it anyway.
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They're gonna play for overtime.
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So it was just something about this mentality where Pat Shurmur somehow thinks that, you know, losing in overtime makes it look better than losing in regulation, and I just don't get it.
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And further is the idea that Pat Shurmur is probably in.
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This coaching staff probably needs to be moved on from the secondary piece of that.
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Then, of course, goes into What are the expectations around Dave Gettleman.
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Do you think that she needs to be moved on from here? And we can certainly go into that.
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We can go inside.
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It's a little bit here.
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One of the areas that I want to touch on next is going to be the running back room.
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We highlighted the same game.
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Ah, player like a Jordan Howard, possibly being a nice compliment.
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Still pretty young at 25 26 years old could be a nice opportunity to bring in the guy that can run between the tackles.
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A spell, say, comb, Barclay next year.
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So I want to go into running backs a little bit and get inside some of the players that we can look for there.
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But the other thing that I will try to bring up here quickly is going to be I want to try to see if I can pull up.
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What? I want to get the draft to draft picks here, uh, for the New York football Giants.
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So we'll go back and let's just take a look.
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You know, trying to figure out what we have seen here from the Giants as far as the Galman regime and who has brought it.
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Okay, so we go inside, we go inside here.
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We're going back to this 2019 draft, right? We highlight that.
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Yeah, Daniel Jones, obviously.
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Right.
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And we think that this is gonna be a positive.
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We think that this is identify the Q b of the future for the New York football giants.
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You get into John Drake. DeAndre Baker.
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Here is a bit of an issue, right? We have to wonder what's gonna become of him.
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He's had his issues this year been raiding one lowest cornerback shows a little bit of spark here against a depleted receiving corps, certainly for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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I think jury still has to be out.
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I think, Uh oh, Shane Examine is X Man.
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I think that he has shown a nice job here for this team already and can be a contributor in this linebacking corps.
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He wants to start or not started.
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That's to be determined.
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But I do think that he's shown you enough here, where you feel like he's gonna be a part of this team next season, getting a little bit of, ah, bigger share their spelling, Maybe some of the guys you bring in through free agency or some draft selections that you may take a look at.
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I think that you have an opportunity for success there.
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Julian Love transition from cornerback to safety.
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I think you already showing that he's going to be a hit here for this team.
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A guy like Ryan Connolly before the injury showing flashes doesn't mean he's a starter for this team.
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Maybe, maybe not, but it means it could be a contributor, and in this in this type of New York Giants revealed, That's what you need is reasonable bodies that are able to make plays and play with consistency.
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And I think that he was showing that spark and that ability.
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Big time hit on Darius sleep right? He's already proven that he is a deep threat that he can play possession football when you need him to.
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He's gotten over the top on coverage.
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Is he's shown that run after catch ability that you love.
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So this is a guy that I think has been a massive success for the Giants and immediately helps to ship that that that perspective on this wide receiving corps, We know you have a guy like golden tape veteran getting up in age.
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Sterling Shepard was some injury concerns.
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Certainly, injuries have played Evan Ingram in times in his career as well.
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So getting in a guy like this, I think that he has proven that he can be a legitimate, you know, borderline number one receiver for this team, at least be a part of a nice wide receiver group.
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So I really like what I've seen from him you call that a hit as well? Jury has to be out, obviously, on Ballantine.
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At this point, it had some really ugly games.
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Has shown a couple of flashes with some good play again, though.
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Can't can't say for sure.
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They're certainly.
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And then you talk about a player in Ah Szabo, a Dodge A out of Kentucky gets injured.
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Go isn't on injured reserve.
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I think the jury out is obviously out of him until next season.
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Big body raw player.
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Be curious to see how he looks in the next off season on.
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Then, of course, you also have Ah, Chris lied in there.
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It's Sara.
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Choose who hasn't seen a lot of action as well.
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Much. You're talking injury or not, but we'll take a look.
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Bottom line is here.
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You This drives right now on on as it stands right now, Baker being probably the biggest one that you're concerned about being in miss right? You got Dexter Lawrence there, which I think I almost feel the highlight him.
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He's obviously he is a hit for me as well, and he's going to be a big body in the center of this line for years to come so you don't listen.
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Is the baker is a baker pick potentially going to be missed for this team? Maybe it is.
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When I looked throughout this draft and you go, Daniel Jones feels like a hit.
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Lawrence a hit.
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Ziman has a good contributor.
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Julian Love looks like he's going to be a hit.
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Darius Late Diamond in the rough there, and by the way, you talk about fourth round picks and love.
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You know, love and Connolly fits round pick and Slaten, even Ziman as the third round pick.
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That's not borderline, one that you want to see turn into a player, anything those 1st 3 rounds to see success on So likewise.
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Zim Inez, You talk about Baker in that first round? That's why you're so concerned in and around him.
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But you've already had these guys like Darius leading be a hit there in the fifth round.
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These air late round guys that you feel like you're connecting on.
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So you know, by and large this last draft is a hit for him.
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I know that they're falling off, you know, we're coming underneath a lot of scrutiny. Enter around.
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Certainly I understand it Um, but far more hits than misses and some nice late round picks that we've seen there is.
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Well, let's go inside.
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Now. Back it up. That 2018 draft.
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Hey, we talk about obviously, they make that choice to go with sake.
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Want Barkley? We know what he is, right? A couple of little injury scare early in the season, but by and large, no concerns in and around this player, right? He's a hit.
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Now here's where it is where it gets interesting.
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You get into this 2018 draft because this is the problem that you're talking about.
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Uh, notable.
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We go back end of this.
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The notable rookie freedoms that the Giants have brought in were Sean Chandler just got back on the field that healthy recently.
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Tae Davis, who was released now playing out there in Cleveland.
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And then he got Grant Haley, who has certainly looked very regress this year, is, well, supplemental draft that took the sand took Sam Beale finally gets back on the field this season.
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You showed some flashes.
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I think you've been contributor.
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Third round pick is the guy you want to pan out of.
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You have some concerns and curiosities about.
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Here's where it becomes concerning going back to this 2018 draft.
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Macintosh hasn't seen a lot of playing time on the field in 2019 was injured that rookie year came on late.
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Look at you showed a flash, but nothing really doing.
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Kyle Loleta moved on from it.
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That quarterback position had a problem with that pick of the time fourth round quarterback.
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I just don't understand it at the time.
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I think I've got to wrap it around by saying, Well, if you're the New York football Giants and you have Pat Shurmur a quarterback guru, okay, she's gonna go ahead and take this guy and try to develop him over a season and potentially is going to be a starter for you down the line.
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Obviously, that doesn't pan out whatsoever.
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I like still for me.
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I like Lorenzo Carter.
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I know it's been a little bit of a debate in and around him, but I think that he's a solid player and possibly could get kicked inside in this linebacking corps.
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See who else you bring in again.
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The value of players has to be assessed by what pieces are around them.
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as well, affording them the opportunity to have success certainly young early in their careers.
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So I like Carter B.
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J.
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Hill, who showed a little bit in this past game against the Eagles in there in a couple of plays.
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But by and large, I was miss labeling Dalvin Tomlinson 94 95 in terms of their Jersey numbers.
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But be jail another guy.
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The question mark there, Right? What's gonna happen with him in this offseason? Jerry talking about just a year later? You know, after two years on the roster, some of these players eventually not being there, Will Hernandez has obviously been a starter for this team.
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I've been highlighting my concerns and around him.
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My bigger concern is that he's paired next to a neat soldier, and then he's in between him and have appeal there.
00:22:09
The center position And how much is that poor play around him, impacting his ability to have success and, interestingly enough, against pro football focus numbers, he's actually degrading as a better a better pass rusher than run blocker at times.
00:22:23
So that certainly is a concern, was well, but again, I do look at the line of the hold pieces around him as being a big issue there.
00:22:29
So when you look back at that 2018 draft Bill Gold Barclay a hit, you can call Hernandez borderline.
00:22:35
Let's see what happens this next season.
00:22:37
I like Lorenzo Carter, B J Hill, Macintosh.
00:22:40
Loleta these roll guys that were kind of out there in the wind now and then back McIntosh Well, I mentioned there and then you get into someone like Sam Bill, you spent that third round supplemental draft pick.
00:22:51
Now you start to wonder he asked that he actually it does become pretty important in this As far as making that equality draft.
00:22:58
I think the 2019 draft looks a little bit better in a little bit brighter for the Giants, certainly than this has.
00:23:04
Now, if you want to go into the free agent signings, this again is a notable issue here for the New York football giants because you're talking about bringing in Corinne Martin now.
00:23:16
And here's where the issue that you have and I always kind of say about this is when you're talking about the signs that you make, you have to, you have to at least be acknowledging of the fact that Dave Gentleman comes in and Mayor says, I want to be competitive, right? I want to be able to try to compete this upcoming season.
00:23:33
Now I can shake my head coming into the 2019 season and say they should have known better after last year.
00:23:38
But going to 2018 season, you're tasking, Gettleman, we need to do a couple of things right, build for the future and also try to give us an opportunity to win.
00:23:46
Now, in the twilight of your time in his career.
00:23:48
This is what this would Amara is feeling.
00:23:50
Is the opportunity certainly.
00:23:52
Um, so we talk about you know who they looked at and who they brought in over the course of that season.
00:23:59
Signings that they brought in were Corinne Martin.
00:24:01
Now, again, at the time you thought better system, you bring in a familiar face.
00:24:05
He played okay last year.
00:24:06
We see off their injury whatever and has fallen right down the depth chart again.
00:24:10
It does come down to depth on a roster and playing time getting dictated that way.
00:24:15
The big one, obviously, Nate soldier was a huge miss.
00:24:18
Their ah, 40 years.
00:24:19
$62 million deal again.
00:24:21
Out of necessity, you need to go sign someone.
00:24:23
I don't know if you should be doing that, though, right? I mean, I think you take a look around the league and you wonder you remember that that was the year where they wanted Norwell from.
00:24:31
Ah, Carolina a guard.
00:24:34
But if you wanted him to go spend the big money on the player you truly want, Don't pivot and make a knee jerk reaction and sign Nate soldier who has been an unmitigated disaster for them.
00:24:44
You brought in Patrick.
00:24:45
Oh, Mama, That was a miss.
00:24:46
Obviously, at the guard position.
00:24:48
Not not on the roster.
00:24:50
Now, Cody Latimer was brought in.
00:24:53
Michael Thomas Scott. Simon Sin.
00:24:55
You talk about Zach? Karen? That's kind of a nonsensical one there.
00:25:00
Connor Barwin played for one year, obviously.
00:25:02
And miss overall there you say as well a guy like Leonard Johnson again.
00:25:06
One small contract.
00:25:07
They're some of the big names that I would look at that I think about.
00:25:10
You know, I think that Michael Thomas been a special teams.
00:25:12
Ah, contributor.
00:25:13
Very solid player for us.
00:25:15
Good depth.
00:25:16
So actually has a smart signing and a good signing as they'll come up on free agency now.
00:25:20
Uh huh.
00:25:22
You know, following that.
00:25:23
Now then you talk about Cody Latimer injuries.
00:25:26
Nothing really to write home about there.
00:25:28
I think he's been amiss.
00:25:29
The name Soldier one.
00:25:30
So most of free agent signings are not particularly impressive here for the year football giants.
00:25:37
Then you get inside players that were signed after being cut.
00:25:40
This is the big one.
00:25:41
Everybody knows Jonathan Stewart, obviously a big swing and a miss.
00:25:44
They're trying to bring in a veteran presence, you know, two years. Seven.
00:25:49
The number was really absurd.
00:25:50
$7 million feels that that was a gift from Gentleman to Jonathan Stewart.
00:25:55
Teddy Williams don't even know who that is.
00:25:57
BJ Webb played a cornerback for one year old is obviously a guy like Josh Morrow Signed a one year deal. He's gone.
00:26:04
William Gay, Alex Tanney, Francis Auri on Stuart Russell Shepard.
00:26:09
There's a guy you know stuck around with This team came back.
00:26:12
A special teams contributor, John Jones.
00:26:15
There on the offensive line. Nothing doing.
00:26:17
John Jenkins and Nate Stupor, so stupid place for one season obviously moved on as Well, so you know, Not a lot to write home about when you talk about what he did in free agency after that draft there you and then this is where you start to be concerned, right? That's a 2018 free agency period.
00:26:34
And then we say, Ah, guys, they signed off the street.
00:26:38
Quote unquote.
00:26:39
Just running through a really quick aside.
00:26:40
Alonzo Russell.
00:26:41
He ends up still on the practice.
00:26:43
Want now this year, Immunity.
00:26:44
Some potential there, young player.
00:26:46
But Bennie Fowler doesn't move the needle for you Just flashing through the nature.
00:26:50
No one really have known that they brought in there that did anything for them, and then you talk about recent practice was players were at a tower there.
00:26:57
The wide receiver uh Cooper McKinnon.
00:27:01
You know, Tim Scott, the cornerback? Nothing really worth noting there, either.
00:27:05
So, you know, a relatively lackluster free agent and certainly the big splash being a big negative there for the New York football giants.
00:27:15
Let's go inside this free agency the past season now, right? The exclusive rights free agency that were You know, if tender they had a penny jalape o on then a couple other guys Rose sauce.
00:27:27
Was there a CZ? Well, so the restricted free agents that Tenney, Coleman, Spencer, Polian, Hamilton, right? So they go ahead and that you see Jonathan Stewart goes out the door, they re signed Simonson Seems like a basic with I don't know if that was really necessary coating Vladimir again.
00:27:44
That's a whiff for May I talk about that Alonzo Russell player on highlight this in the preseason.
00:27:48
Going back to what I was seeing from him doesn't mean that I thought he was going to be a world turner.
00:27:53
But I did think at the very least, what I expected was you give a young player an opportunity as opposed to what they've done.
00:27:59
Now, where you just end up bringing back you brought back Cody Latimer.
00:28:02
You brought back Bennie Fowler and guys and really just don't move the needle that brought back Russell Shepard.
00:28:06
I was okay with that.
00:28:07
Contributor gets injured.
00:28:08
Not much you can do about that.
00:28:11
Um, you know Mario Edwards carry, win Morrow.
00:28:14
These guys all move on to other teams.
00:28:15
They brought back stupor.
00:28:16
Huge mess.
00:28:17
He ends up getting released during the season.
00:28:19
BJ Web signs away to the Bangles.
00:28:22
Nothing else really worth noting here, but the free agent that were brought in here is where you talk about trying to judge these right running back Rod Smith.
00:28:31
That's a Net zero, and it wasn't a big contract, but nothing doing their Olsen Pierre defensive end.
00:28:37
Nothing doing there really hasn't seen a lot of the field buried on the depth chart.
00:28:40
Markus Golden, certainly a hit right, has had a nice game for them, and I season for them. And now you wonder.
00:28:46
What will the Giants look to do in the off season in terms of re signing him.
00:28:50
Then you talk about Golden Tate, Miss.
00:28:51
Four games to dispensing has sown some flashes, but again as the big free agent signing.
00:28:57
Not unlike a Nate soldier, this feels like a bit of a swing and a miss.
00:29:01
Certainly you go back and think about again.
00:29:03
What was the thinking within the organization? A veteran wide receiver to go through veteran quarterback great two games in the season? You banshee lie, man, and you start to rookie Daniel Jones.
00:29:11
You start to wonder, Why did you spend four years and 37 a half 1,000,000 on a wide receiver that's on the back and his career and creates a bit of a redundancy with Sterling Shepherd.
00:29:21
There, free agents that were signed.
00:29:24
Sorry. After they were cut by another team.
00:29:26
We get inside this one, right? We talked about Antoine Buffet.
00:29:29
It's a big swing and a miss.
00:29:30
Don't expect him to be back next year to year six and 1/2 $1,000,000 deal, My grammars.
00:29:34
One year deal he'll be gone.
00:29:36
Has played okay to slightly below average ball on the offensive line.
00:29:41
Eric Tomlinson There.
00:29:42
The tight end.
00:29:43
Nothing doing believe you got hurt.
00:29:45
Went along the way.
00:29:46
John Buchanan has been a relative No show here getting signed just around the trade deadline area off the street.
00:29:52
And then, Ah, David Mayo has been a contributor and I think is showing you something.
00:29:57
Do I think again I feel like people in the cream Martin category.
00:30:00
You thought Martin looked okay last year doing some nice things, you know, not necessarily a world burner.
00:30:06
And then now it's like, Well, mayo little bit better, right? Showing you a little bit more than what Corinne Martin showed for you.
00:30:11
It doesn't mean that an overall, though, for the quality of the team that you don't need to still get better across the board there as well.
00:30:18
Some guys that got signed back to the practice squad.
00:30:20
Nothing really to write home about here.
00:30:22
Not going to really go to that.
00:30:23
I will go into the off the street signings when you talk about Devora Javorius.
00:30:28
Alan hasn't seen the field at all.
00:30:31
Uh, Tower, he ends up on the practice.
00:30:33
What, again? I'm fine with him.
00:30:34
I like him as a young player.
00:30:36
Um, nobody else really Here has been a guy got signed and has resulted in being someone that has contributed by any stretch of the imagination.
00:30:47
So hey, this is the issue to not a lot of free agency moves that have paid off or worked out for the Giants.
00:30:54
So now when you go big picture about Dave Gettleman taking in totality, you've got one shaky draft in 2018 with a disappointing let down free agency period.
00:31:05
You come into 2019 you say looks like more positive than negative.
00:31:09
Out of the draft.
00:31:10
I like most of what we've seen here.
00:31:11
Jury's out on a couple of players, but I like what he did in this draft.
00:31:15
Free agent Superior again, though more misses than hits.
00:31:18
This is, of course.
00:31:19
And if you want to go, you know, big picture and silver lining.
00:31:22
This is what it was about those about getting to this free agency, period, being able to address some of the needs.
00:31:27
But this team has If gentlemen is still the general manager, then he has a lot of work to do and a lot of capital to do it with.
00:31:36
If you're going to turn the page, this might be the best time to do it.
00:31:39
Because you're talking about being bringing in fresh set of eyes of fresh coaching staff, a new GM that gets to say, with all of this capital, What are the guys that I want to sweep rate off this roster? Get into that offensive line.
00:31:52
See you later. Remembers off of his contract.
00:31:54
Drop the dead weight of Nate, soldier.
00:31:56
You know, move on from jalape o.
00:31:58
Let's try to read.
00:31:59
Oh, this line and free agency Possibly.
00:32:01
Let's know we're gonna look to the draft as well.
00:32:03
Certainly secondary.
00:32:04
And what do we want to do Linebacker's where do we want to go here.
00:32:07
So that's kind of where I lead when it comes to this situation for the Giants, where you have to wonder if you're going to commit, you're you're giving Dave Gettleman a lot of money to work with here.
00:32:18
You haven't had a lot the last couple of years.
00:32:20
Now he has big capital to work with.
00:32:22
So now if you go into the offseason with him, you are pot committed on what he's going to do for this team was gonna do for this roster, and then that's going to affect you for the next 2 to 3 years.
00:32:32
So this is the time when you need to make the choice.
00:32:34
If you're going to move on from him before we get out the door here.
00:32:39
The real reason that we came in here wants to go ahead and take a look at free agent running backs around the league.
00:32:45
And then a brief look at the draft class and where we think the Giants can look to go Now.
00:32:50
Obviously you have, say, Kwame Barkley, this is about creating, uh, not a once you punch, but just someone who can spell him.
00:32:58
We highlighted on the broadcast last night.
00:32:59
You think about Camaro? Had Ingram there with a very much a 12 dynamic.
00:33:03
But now, even with even with Murray, they're still able to spell him.
00:33:07
Run between the tackles.
00:33:08
Being more physical, runner free up.
00:33:11
Uh, you know, Camara to get out there and catch passes out of the backfield.
00:33:16
Now the Giants have to look around the league and just think, Who could we possibly bring in? That gives an opportunity for sake one bark and stay fresh throughout a game coming to be as effective as possible.
00:33:26
You're still gonna get 2025 touches.
00:33:28
But if you know 10 to 12 of them are coming through the passing game and allowing to go out in space and then trying to get some of those nice runs on the edge, You know, you certainly would like to make sure that you keep him available throughout the season and not picking up a nagging injury, especially in difficult games.
00:33:45
We need to stay in between the tackles.
00:33:46
Games worth getting ugly in the trenches.
00:33:48
You like to have someone you can rely on I don't not like Wayne Goldman, but you haven't seen him get a lot of looks here and again.
00:33:54
It goes back to the coaching staff and what they think about it.
00:33:57
But certainly as you look into free agency, number of guys are gonna be available.
00:34:02
We will go.
00:34:03
I'll go unrestricted free agent for this particular look.
00:34:06
Just do that.
00:34:08
We're not talking about guys.
00:34:09
That team's gonna have their first right there.
00:34:11
Well, you got Lamar Miller out and used.
00:34:13
And that's enough to know for me, Chris Thompson in Washington, Another past for me as well.
00:34:18
The Shawmut McCoy, Carlos Hyde coming out of Houston.
00:34:22
I'm listen. He's still just 20 years old.
00:34:24
It feels like he should be 40 but he's just 28 years old.
00:34:27
I wouldn't necessarily want to move the needle on him by any stretch of the imagination.
00:34:32
I think Melvin Gordon is gonna want a big contract.
00:34:35
Now you get down.
00:34:36
It's like the field ready if you're ready.
00:34:37
Only 29 years old.
00:34:39
How about that in Denver after his time in Detroit? There.
00:34:42
Wow, He's gotten old in a hurry.
00:34:43
You think? Feel ready, being older than Carlos Heights.
00:34:46
It feels absurd, right? Derrick Henry.
00:34:49
You would expect that he gets brought back there in Tennessee? Certainly.
00:34:54
And then you got Darren Sproles.
00:34:55
At 37 he'll be done.
00:34:57
Frank Gore, 33 7 years old, Frank.
00:34:59
Or, you know, maybe a guy like Peyton Barber out of, Ah, out of Tampa Bay.
00:35:03
You want to take a little look at him? As you can tell, Not a lot of great great players that certainly have a peek at a guy.
00:35:10
Like what about, You know, Kenyon Drake.
00:35:12
Arizona trades for him.
00:35:13
Will they go to bring him back? Possibly.
00:35:16
Ah, there's really not a lot of names as you go down this list.
00:35:20
So unless you're gonna go with a veteran ish style guy, you start to go inside the draft, and this is where we think certainly for me personally, you know? Where do you want to go? You're not going first round.
00:35:33
You're not going in the first round guy or even a second round guy.
00:35:35
There's too many needs here.
00:35:37
So we move ourselves well down the list here, getting into, You know that this is now where the 9th 10th rights running back in the league, where you can still find prospects, though anyone that maybe falls in that chute of four range.
00:35:50
Maybe you can back end them certainly, and look to get someone value there.
00:35:56
So we want to take a look at.
00:35:58
Maybe a guy like Harris out of Alabama runs a 45 40 to 36 foot two big bruiser, right? You're talking about a physical player, you know they're highlighting here through the end of November is average 5.
00:36:11
9 per carry, 642 yards, five touchdowns as 16 receptions for 1 71 Not necessarily.
00:36:19
And his four scores scores a receiver as well.
00:36:21
So he has got some nice touchdown looks.
00:36:23
16 catches, not necessarily world burning, but can't do it.
00:36:26
And he feels like, as they say, you might want to go looking at Ah, Josh, Jacob's a Damian Harris or even a Derrick Henry in terms of what he looks like for the NFL standpoint, he's a big backhoe, asked some quickness and athleticism over the past few seasons, has not run to his size and look to bounce out human.
00:36:43
He carries to the outside rather than use his power and staying behind those tackles.
00:36:47
So that would be concern.
00:36:49
If he's not going to use that physical manner lately, especially, they're highlighting l issue of Mississippi State games.
00:36:55
He's one aggressively downhill and decisive.
00:36:57
So you start to wonder, Ah, whether or not it's a guy protecting himself, the college love before against the pros.
00:37:04
But I think if you're a guy, you know, they can stay between the tackles.
00:37:09
That six foot 22 30 frame, he would not be an ideal fit for the Giants in this scheme.
00:37:14
You look it may be a Paree in there out of Florida, certainly a Scottie Phillips there in Old Miss.
00:37:20
But I'm looking for more some of these physical, bigger backs.
00:37:24
You know, a guy like cash on Vaughn at a Vanderbilt 5 10 to 15 runs of 45 40.
00:37:32
This is his averaging 5.
00:37:33
3 has 1000 yards on the season, nine touchdowns certainly is at 28 receptions to 81 so he's doing all things nicely.
00:37:41
Here, Uh, does a nice job through contact at the collegiate level and has been out would outrun a couple of defenders.
00:37:49
Certainly, too. So at least a little bit of quickness and a burst.
00:37:51
You wonder about him, but for again, and these are guys that we're talking about, 2 to 4.
00:37:56
So maybe someone looking them in the third in the third round.
00:37:59
And I don't think the Giants can afford to risk to do that.
00:38:02
A guy like Joshua Kelly at a U. C. L.
00:38:05
A.
00:38:06
Was benched in season over in Cincinnati, but his return to the lineup and on the years gone 4.
00:38:10
7 984 yards, 11 touchdowns.
00:38:13
So you know, maybe a player like that is production could climb as you look to work through it. Here.
00:38:19
Uh, I'm trying trying.
00:38:20
I'm looking at a guy that maybe fits the bill for this team in terms of giving a dynamic.
00:38:26
Now I'm saying about going bigger body and larger size guys talk about a guy like Jay Jay Taylor at Arizona.
00:38:32
His average five yards per carry as five touchdowns on the year, 29 receptions.
00:38:37
So you wanna have multiple options? He's a someone who's looking for a rotational back.
00:38:43
This could be a guy like that, and maybe that is the way the Giants like to go around and talking about a rotation here in some ways, and maybe you want to go with some quickness, opportunity to catch out of the backfield.
00:38:52
So you're still maintaining an offensive dynamic that allows for Daniel Jones under center.
00:38:57
Have options.
00:38:58
One of the things I think Goldman the struggle with is receiving out of the backfield.
00:39:01
So do you wanna have a guy that has a level of balance? And if the Giants were gonna go that way, maybe a player like Jay Jay Taylor highlights to go in that 3rd 3 to 5 round range.
00:39:10
Somewhere along those ways.
00:39:12
Let's try to go this deep prospect here before we get out the door.
00:39:16
I want to go.
00:39:17
I want to get someone that's really gonna be down the list here.
00:39:19
A little ways on Just see.
00:39:22
So let's talk about Louisiana Lafayette running back Elijah Mitchell, 5 11 to 21 projected to go back into the draft.
00:39:29
He's averaged six yards a carry, 905 yards, 14 touchdowns.
00:39:33
A lot of receptions on the year, Uh, but he's running there with a tandem in this roster.
00:39:39
He's a thick power back.
00:39:41
Who's made it onto onto some of these watch lists because of what he did in 2018 averaging 6.7 per carry.
00:39:48
Nine. Understand seven yards of 13 touches.
00:39:50
So here's a guy that is physical enough has some explosion that maybe you could think.
00:39:56
Ah, late round prospect of the Giants would want to take a peak.
00:39:59
Yet I'll dive in a little bit more on some of these guys, but you know, by and large is obviously fall down a list of things.
00:40:05
Maybe when you look at that free agent class, you do think about the I mean, honestly, I wouldn't I wouldn't hesitate to maybe take a flier on a Carlos Hyde.
00:40:13
It's a price tag was right.
00:40:15
A 28 29 years old.
00:40:16
I think he's at least shown enough ability that he's not a John and Stewart hasn't broken down like that s o.
00:40:22
Maybe that someone you do you want to take a flier on beyond him? I don't see a lot of guys.
00:40:27
He's curiously what happened with Kenyon Drake.
00:40:30
They're certainly, but you figure he's looking to get a bit of a payday for himself.
00:40:33
Um, not a lot of opportunities outside of that in this region than Jordan.
00:40:37
Howard was the other guy.
00:40:39
Excuse me that I forgot the highlight here.
00:40:42
He's a player who is surprisingly enough, just 25 26 years old, play with Chicago 1st 1st 3 seasons, right, gets traded and is now gonna go into this at 25 years old and unrestricted free agent.
00:40:55
Here's a player that I honestly think the Giants would be doing themselves a favor by at least taking a look at, because I think that he does enough of everything well for you that he can contribute inside the tackles and outside.
00:41:11
Good physical runner, certainly still young enough that is gonna have tread on the tire willing, maybe looking for a decent sized contract.
00:41:17
I think the running back rotation that he's fallen into a certainly diminished his value probably say he's played, you know, 119 carries off, averaging 4.
00:41:29
4 per carry, 525 yards on this season.
00:41:33
Ah, 69 pro football focus rating, you know, Listen, you know, does that blow your top off? Maybe not, but I think that he's a guy that would come at the right price tag for the Giants that in free agency, they might have an opportunity to get him off to this roster and be a contributor inside this running back room in a different way from a Wayne Goldman from the Rod Smith of the world.
00:41:54
So that's Mia.
00:41:55
I need to keep an eye, and I'm gonna know him down on the on the board here for the Giants when it comes to free agency, depending on what price tag you're talking about.
00:42:02
23 words bring in as a contributor.
00:42:04
So with that, we wrap up and get out the door here, kind of taking a look at last night's game and just some of the thoughts about Eli Manning, obviously, and then touching on some of these free and prospects and the issues that the Giants are facing As we continue to move through this season, they keep their draft stock high now to an 11 tightly clenched into that number two spot.
00:42:24
Feels like that.
00:42:25
They're gonna be able to hold himself true to it, and we'll take a look.
00:42:28
It was last couple games.
00:42:29
I think they can win a game against Washington or against Miami and still keep themselves in that number two draft spot.
00:42:34
So you certainly will keep our fingers crossed.
00:42:36
Moving forward.
00:42:37
I'll check in throughout the week We want to do definitely get back on here and go back over.
00:42:41
All the players you talked about, the position that we've highlighted, just bullet point.
00:42:44
The guys that work looking at it for you can see it in the draft there and kind of establish our big board. Four.
00:42:50
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00:42:52
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00:42:53
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00:43:00
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