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My name's Trevor Lane, senior writer for Lakers nation dot com.
And today, well, the Lakers or 19 and three at this point.
So we have a ton of great things to talk about.
The sun is shining in Lakers lands because they are just winning and winning and winning.
Even games were not expecting them to win.
They are finding ways to get it done.
It's so much fun to watch this Lakers team right now, so we're gonna talk all about that.
We're gonna talk a little bit about the upcoming game of the Portland Trail Blazers.
We're gonna talk about the job that Frank Vogel is doing all kinds of things to dive into, and we're even gonna look at a big picture topic where we're going to discuss at the end of the show today the NBA's TV ratings, why they're down and how they can pivot, and why that that might matter here the next five years or so, when it might mean for your Los Angeles Lakers tons of great things to talk about before we dive into it.
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None of everything was it was perfectly fine and it was all good and I definitely didn't have to punch my computer.
That didn't have but but but But lost there, now six and seven and still in first place in the thank you Miami Dolphins.
Thank you, Devante, Parker and Ryan fits magic for pulling that up.
By the way, guys they were not could be talking to which cowboys here.
But I am by marriage.
I'm a Cowboys fan.
And so it's a marriage, not a real no, no, no.
Growing up, there was no football team in Los Angeles, so there was nobody really to latch on to.
My wife is a Cowboys fan so that that's a team I've been watching for the last decade, and so I just kind of, you know, transitioned into being a kind of a quasi Cowboys fan.
It it was a rough night tonight for the Cowboys, So I'm glad that Greg, you and I get to do this night because now I get to wash the ugliness out of my eyes of what we just saw the Cowboys do against the Bears and making Mitchell Tribe risky look like a Hall of Famer.
And we get to talk about a good team in the letters 19 and 3 19 preaching that just took a very, very tough back to back in Denver and in Utah while being sick while going to the highest elevated to put high, highest elevated places.
Huge winds loved every second.
Look at this point, Greg.
Given what the Lakers have just pulled off and everyone, everyone across the national media was questioning the Lakers after that loss to the Dallas Mavericks.
It wasn't just their schedule.
I think they've proven that.
No, the Lakers are actually really good. They're not.
They were just winning games early on because they're playing weaker teams now that they went into Denver and got a win, went into Utah, gotta win and got family dominant winds at that.
At this point, do you think the Lakers should be the betting favorites to win the N B A title? I mean, I think they were right there before the season started, and now a 19 3 absolutely they are, and because what's happening is that they're winning on the road.
They have not lost away from Staples Center and the you can't say on the road, because the first game this season was at technically at the Clippers, but away from Staples Center, they have not lost and seems like the Clippers.
Granted, Paul George wasn't around the team with their three and five away from Staples Center.
So winning on the road is tough and in fact, is that they're they're doing.
The Lakers are winning and they're winning tough games.
It doesn't matter when you're when you do.
They want both games in Dallas and San Antonio.
Those are tough games, no matter what.
Playing in Texas is always tough.
The Texas two step was always a tough thing for them, even back in their threepeat years back in the early two thousands.
And now to take these two at Denver at Utah.
I mean, this team is a really a force to be reckoned with right now.
Yeah, there's a 100% are those winds like you said on the road, I feel like that means more than just winning games at home or anything like that because you go onto the road, you go into somewhat hostile territory, right? I mean, Lakers fans travel differently than like Clippers fans.
Do the Lakers fans across the country.
So you're going to have a solely contingent of the fans in the arena whether you're in Utah, Denver, San Antonio, wherever that are gonna be cheering for the Lakers.
But still, they go into these places and they get winds.
And not only that, but to go into Denver to go into Utah, right playing at at altitude and 1/2.
Anthony Davis is sick and they still go out there and find a way to win.
That's that's amazing stuff, and I'm blown away.
I never would've guessed that this team would be 19 and three.
I thought they were gonna be good, but how good they've been has been incredible.
Yeah, I know it's insane.
There's no way nobody, nobody.
I don't care who you are.
You're the biggest Laker fan.
Nobody is saying 19 and three through 22 games.
It just wasn't possible, and Anthony Davis was getting IV's in at halftime against Denver and he had huge games and both those put double doubles.
And then and then I don't actually have a double double against Utah last night.
But Denver, he did.
And just when you have two superstars like that, it doesn't matter where you are.
If they decide we're gonna play, you're you're not stopping him. Yeah.
I mean, look, Anthony Davis and LeBron James are on a completely different level, and that's just did that.
I think that's what we saw against Denver and against Utah.
The Lakers have a different gear they can get to than those teams can.
I think they look like they're just made of something different compared to what those teams aren't.
Those were considered be two of the better teams in the Western Conference, and the Lakers made it look like they're not in the same league.
It looked like, you know, the varsity team versus the J. B.
Yeah, I mean, it does those two teams, especially at home.
I mean, while they're there, top six teams in the West and the six the West is very tough as always, but they're two top 16.
That's a big deal, and at home.
They're usually very, very strong.
And the funny thing is, if you go look at N ba Twitter, if you look, just listen to some of the pundits they like to say.
Well, Nicole Yokich is just fat this year, so you know, they're really not that good a CZ they should have been because he's out of shape.
They say he's in bad if all year.
And then, oh, you know, there was no Mike Conley and Rudy Go bears.
And as good as you have been, it doesn't matter what the excuses are, but you're still play.
What's in front of them on the road at move.
It doesn't matter. They're playing great ball.
Yeah, they 1% are.
They've been They've been playing incredibly well and one of the things that I wanted to talk about here.
It's not just the Lakers battling through adversity, but what about Frank Vogel? We're talking about the reigning coach of the month here.
This is a guy who came in pretty much expected to be on the hot seat from Day one.
That was supposed to be where we're on Frank Vogel. Watch.
How long until Jason Kidd takes his job.
What's your impression being of Frank Vogel so far? And in the job that he's done? I love everything that Frank Vogel is doing.
There's not one bad thing that I can really say about him.
What he does is just so much different than things we've may be seen in the past or just in general lot around the MBA period.
For the most part, there are coached that do these things, but he he'll make adjustments at halftime.
He'll make adjustments, adjustments, game to game.
He see he watches tape.
He looks at the ****ytics.
He looks to see what went wrong in a game and why they lost against Dallas is that we're going to fix that and we're gonna go out there.
And the next night they fixed that thing.
If it was transition defense, if it was three point perimeter defense, whatever it happened to be, we were turning the ball over Too much.
He finds a way to fix it.
He makes an adjustment that works for the the players that works for scheme.
Maybe they bring in Alex Caruso.
Thio just basically shut down.
Drew holiday against against the pelicans when you get that, those air things that a lot of coaches don't come to think of, and he's doing just that.
And maybe that's because of, you know, Jason Kidd and Lionel Hollins being on the staff.
You got your getting that you're getting the offensive coordinator of the defense of coordinator on the head coach, and they're all working well together and you're all working with the players on the court.
Yeah, I mean, bottom line, they're on the same page and they're finding ways to adjust on the fly mid game, like we're seeing the Lakers throw different things out there.
Whether it's at half time, whether it's part of the way through the third quarter, they're trying different rotations there.
Seeing what sticks and in the flexibility we've seen from Vogel has been really impressive, which you don't always see from guys who are like defense of first coaches, which is what Vogel's known as right.
He's known as a defense first guy.
Usually they get their guys that they want to stick with, and they and they run with those guys because they're comfortable with their decision making their comfortable.
That they're going to make the right reads.
And all that think Vogel has done a great job mixing and matching like you mentioned throwing in Alex Caruso when Drew holidays, lighting them up.
Okay, let's give Crusoe shot here.
Let's see how this works.
And and then he go.
He adjust from there, too.
If Caruso's having success great, he'll leave him in.
If he's not, he'll make another tweak he's been.
I think that's the part that I didn't expect out of vocal.
I expected a solid defense.
I expected, you know, little things like that.
But the flexibility that he's shown to make adjustments mid game has been really impressive.
Yeah, it really has.
And I want to go back even further.
Back in the seat that would really started to see these things kind of started happening.
I think it was the heat at home.
I don't remember exactly what the game was, but they were throwing out a, um, a different type of defense that he was throwing a different type of defense against the Lakers.
They were throwing their zone, did they? They they went zones of really the first time that the Lakers have seen his own against them, and now they see it all the time.
But it was working great in the first half and the second half they moved Anthony Davis to the free throw line and let him be a distributor or find his way to the basket.
And all of a sudden everything changed because Frank Vogel made the change that needed to be made in order to win that game.
And then the Lakers ended up blowing out the heat.
That game, like 15 20 points.
I remember correctly, that's that's a great point.
And you went like like beating that zone.
That's not I mean, that's not super high level stuff, right? Hey, you need to get them in order to be his own.
You get the ball into the middle and then you work from there, right? You collapsed.
You kick the ball out.
If they don't collapse quick quick enough, you make your move to the basket.
You attack the offensive boards because you're not matched up. Man demands.
So a lot of times box out assignments gets get missed.
Those air very, very simple things.
But still, like Vogel, made that switch.
You know, It's not like it's not like he came up with some brilliant new offensive scheme, but he recognized what was going on.
They made the change and they got the players to adapt on the fly and granted these professional players, they can go do these things.
But, like you said, it changed the entire game, all based on just some simple scheme fixes that they applied a halftime.
So, like we've been saying, Vogel has been really, really, really good.
I mean, at this point, he's coach of the month, and if this continues, which we don't know, there's still a lot of basketball to play.
But I'd have to think that he'd be on the short list for coach of the year.
Oh, he absolutely should.
If he takes this team, Thio, 65 wins.
You have to put it there.
That's a that's a huge change.
But I mean, these are things that how often do you see a coach gets have their ego start to get into their own brain and they start saying my offense works.
I'm going to stick with Frank Vogel's like not look that work in the first half. Let's change it up.
Let's fix it up on them.
And then thing on, they go home out because the other team doesn't adjust in the second half thinking that they worked in the first half.
Why go away from him? I'll tell you what I really liked about Vogel.
There was a moment I was the game against the Pelicans.
You probably remember the play that Vogel challenge when KCP was contesting Brandon Ingram Jumper.
Yeah, and they were right on the L. I didn't.
He was nowhere near no and the like.
When you saw the angle that the refs didn't get.
I don't Maybe they didn't get all the angles.
But the one angle showed that he wasn't close to him.
I didn't touch him, right? But, Vogel, you watch KCP run over to Vogel, and the first thing Vogel says is he's a don't f in.
Lie to me, you know.
Tell me, is this is this a Fowler or whatever? And he listened.
It wasn't It wasn't like Vogel made the decision for himself.
He let KCP make the decision and he wasn't what I say when I quote him there.
He wasn't saying it in an angry way or anything like that.
He was just saying, This is your decision to make don't lie, Don't get caught up in emotion or anything like that Here.
Just tell me, did you foul him? And when KCP said no and LeBron was standing right there, too, and said no, Vogel went OK, challenge.
He let his players make the decision, and there's a lot of coaches that wouldn't be comfortable with that.
There's a lot of coaches that would that they don't want to give up that control.
But Vogel had no problem believing his player, even though the challenge didn't work.
It was still the right decision to make, and I think it was just a kind of a small microcosm of what he's done so well as coach.
And I actually like the fact that he used the F bomb in the hill, right? Yeah.
I mean, like your calls it the moment calls for right? Absolutely.
And that's like one of those things when you're when you're talking to someone in the heat of the moment in a close, tight game and I don't have to lie to me, are you telling me the truth.
Yes, I'm telling truth.
All right, I'm with you.
You like that kind of whole thing? It totally changes.
Then you're saying all right.
My coach has my fact.
He's listening to me.
You got LeBron, who's also listening to me.
Those are all things that it's how closely knit this entire team is.
It's not just the players, is not just the coach's by themselves.
Everybody seems to all be on one mindset.
It's what we talked about very early on when you've had me on my right before the season or the season started.
This is a workman like attitude from these guys, where they just get along.
They know their goal, and that's all showing right now. Yeah, 100%.
And speaking of the guys all being on the same page, and the guys kind of building this chemistry, this camaraderie and all of that, and Vogel's done a great job fostering that, But, uh, against the Jazz and this was this was last night.
Some of you are gonna be listening to this in the morning before the Lakers take on Portland and maybe two nights ago, depending on when you're listening here, but against the Jazz.
The Lakers players on their bench are going crazy, are celebrating for their team mates and actually drew a lot of criticism.
We talked about it on the postgame show the other night that the Lakers were getting criticized for their the way they celebrated on the bench because LeBron wasn't wearing his shoes and they were the Jazz announcer for saying that it was.
It's not the playground out here and how disrespectful it was to come into somebody else's house and celebrate like that.
I looked at it and I thought, Man, these guys, and it's the starters that were on the bench At this point.
There's like four minutes left in the fourth quarter.
These guys are legitimately pulling for each other like the game's over you.
By that time, you've played your tired.
You could just be sitting on your bench, But no, they're up.
LeBron's up, everybody's up and they're celebrating their bench doing good things out there.
I think that's a great sign.
It's a great look for the Lakers and I can't believe that The Jazz announcers actually criticized the Lakers for that.
I've heard that hope that clip multiple times and right at the end of it, they have the jazz announcers go.
Well, he did give away his shoes to some kids.
So I think what happened was a producer got into his ear and, you know, being a producer, I kinda understand how these things go, like someone said into one of their ears, like he gave the shoes to some kids.
That's why something wrong? Yeah.
And then So they kind of started to back off.
But they were still upset.
Like Look, if he just took off his shoes and was running around with no shoes on and they were sitting right behind him, I would understand why they were calling it disrespectful.
But two little kids come up and say, Hey, can we have your shoes? It would be more disrespectful if you didn't.
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
A. LeBron has shown that he is.
He's the guy that is going to help those kids out.
It was a couple of games ago.
There was the kid in the stands.
He was trying to give him his shooting sleeve, and the adults in the crowd grabbed it before the kid could, and then he tried to give him his wristband and same thing happened.
And so finally he had nothing left of him.
So he took off his shoes and walked over and gave him to the kid to make sure the kid got him.
You know, I mean, that's that's a good look for LeBron.
That's a great thing for the Lakers.
That's a great thing for the league, to see those sorts of things.
So look, this a CE for is the dad look for the fans? Yeah, exactly.
It's It's a great thing to see the way that this team has reached out to fan base is even on the road.
I can see this like it's not just the fact that they're winning on the floor.
It's the way they're winning.
It's the way they're supporting the supporting each other.
It's the interactions with the fans.
It's all been so, so positive this season.
There's just this this aura of positivity around the team and it's It's a noticeable difference in what we've seen in the past and for a lot of reasons.
But it's a lot of fun seeing this it it feels like what Lakers basketball is supposed to feel like again.
I mean, it helps when you're 19 and three and you're winning a lot of games for sure.
You're having 10 team win streaks.
But yes, these are the types of things that happen.
And you know it the first time that I really started to notice.
And maybe for you, maybe, is before I don't know.
But when Dwight Howard came out and was shocked that I'm saying Dwight Howard is right.
But when Dwight Howard came out on Instagram and was backing up KCP through his struggles, that was the first time that you like.
All right, well, everybody kind of has ever even a guy struggling like that.
We see what he doesn't practice.
We know what he's gonna do on the floor.
And then he starts starting and playing really well, playing the defense, hitting some three point shots, making you know, good back cuts you saw four times in a row.
It's your brother.
He made LeBron look like Travis Key, right? Exactly.
Full circle? Yes.
Oh, but that's all the things that are happening.
Guys jumping up on the bench like boogie cousins getting up after a Dwight Howard three pointer and being like, Oh my God, this is the greatest thing ever.
That's just the excitement that you're seeing around team.
It's so nice, is something.
Speaking of all the flak that KCP was getting, where you at on Kyle Koosman? Because right now he has no favorite of Lakers fans.
I'm seeing tons of trade cause I'm looking by the way guys I am following along here with our chat and looking at your questions and all of that.
And I'm seeing a lot of people saying, Is it time to trade Cosmo? That's been a big topic lately.
Uh, what do you think about what's been going on? With whose money does he just need support, like KCP did, and eventually he's gonna turn it around or or what's happening? So Carla Koosman is a very interesting guy.
He's the most frustrating player I've watched on the Lakers in quite some time, and that's not just this year.
I kind of give him a little bit of past.
Right now, I don't really expect to be able to fully ****yze him until middle of December.
Beginning of January middle of January somewhere around there.
I mean, the guy was just been hurt for too long, and I know he's been playing for a little while now, but still doesn't.
I don't feel like he still has his legs back.
That and you got any guts? A key.
I poked in the eye.
He rolled his ankle like tango.
It's been an avalanche, but the fact of the matter is that he was frustrating player last year.
He was a frustrating player of the year before.
He just I mean, when he was a rookie like whatever.
But last year he was frustrating player to where he just seems like he's late on his jumps when he's trying to defend a shot.
He he's a little bit behind a step behind everything, something as terrible hands around the basket, usually where he don't just lose the ball out of nowhere.
How did you lose that? Um, he he takes poor shots.
You know, a lot of times that he's kind of looks like he's out of control, right? Doesn't know where he's going.
Um, it doesn't know what he wants to do, like he'll make a couple big moves at the top of the key, and then maybe they'll just step back and give it away because like, I didn't know where I was gonna go, So I'm gonna just pull back.
So but then he has moments when he has these great back cuts or he gets a big three pointer or he's playing good defense of getting in multiple blocks on a couple shots or getting some steals and and he also like, Okay, this is the guy that I'm looking for.
I just don't know the type of later that he is yet, and I think he will eventually figure it out.
I still think that he will eventually become that third score that the dog later So looking for, I don't know where that came from.
Maybe I was looking at something in the background.
But anyway, I think that Kuzma could eventually become the third score that the Lakes were looking forward, that 15 16 point range.
But he's really frustrating.
He's not being traded.
Let's take that out of the way.
Yeah, I agree, and I've talked about this on the postgame show a few times.
Part of it is his salary.
He's super chief.
He's making, like 1.
So just in terms of salary matching, it's really hard to get equal value for Kyle Kuzma without adding and other pieces of making super complicated.
And then some guys have defacto no trade clauses like KCP JaVale players like that.
So, uh, it's tough to try to trade Koosman even if they wanted to, and I don't think they do.
I think that there's something there with Kyle Kuzma.
I think that he's got a nice skill set that the N BA needs right now.
He's got that stretch ability and all of that, but he just hasn't quite put it together.
And part of that, it could be just adjusting to playing with Anthony Davis, adjusting to playing with all these new faces.
Plus, he was hurt for for training came.
I didn't get all that in so like you, I'm reserving judgment on Concho.
I'm not gonna say okay, he's clearly not a guy that's going to fit until we get.
I'm probably gonna wait till January because I think that he's going to have some games where he flashes where he shows his potential and people will be back up on him.
I think right now we're just kind of in the downward swing right now where it's gonna come back up at some point, just like with KCP, right? KCP started off the season.
Then he shot up.
He's kind of cooled off a little bit and he'll kind of average out.
I feel like we're just in the downward swing right now, and Koosman is gonna come back up.
Maybe he won't be that that third star type that we need or anything like that, But But I think he's a lot better than what we've seen right now and the defensive end of the floor to I think, the little things as the season goes on, having like Jared Dudley next to him pointing things out, I think he's going to become a better defender as the season goes on as well.
Yeah, I mean, I really hope so.
I think that he's done here in the off season.
You asked Yeah, in off season he was doing a lot of things that you kind of are hoping he would be doing.
He was working with Metta World peace.
He was working with Jared Dudley like you're talking about.
He's doing the things to be able to become a better defender.
It's hard to kind of see it all the time. Disease.
He gets beat a decent amount or he's like I said, he's He's that second lates on the jump is always it seems like when you look at Anthony Davis, who obviously defensive player of the Year favorite right now, but really Dan Davis, it's the timing of his jump.
Same with Danny Green, especially, who is also a great defensive player.
It's all about that timing where they're getting their hands up to block a shot, and either they block, it really needs to get the hand up there to contest it.
Well, it's timing and having a 76 links, man.
Yeah, OK, it doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt at all.
But David Greene doesn't have a 76 wins Wings fan and he's still his time.
Jump is very much on on time and really whether he doesn't really get us into many blocks, but he's getting a hand up and contesting the shots that I just I'm not seeing with crews Now where he's just a second too late like now.
It's done like he's just right a little bit slow.
Yeah, he's afraid to jump into the player.
Yeah, he tends to get bodied off when he's in that when he's in the post like he doesn't have that kind of strength, where you where you can bump him and he's just gonna stand still.
Like like LeBron has been standing in and taking charges.
And every time he takes a charge, you don't look at and go, Oh, man, I hope he doesn't get hurt on that, cause LeBron's just so solid, like you can tell it just the guy's kind of bounce off.
LeBron takes the charge of whatever.
It's all fine Kozma.
Somebody hits him.
He kind of goes flying because you know he's He's got more more muscle on him than say like Brandon Ingram did.
But that's not saying a whole heck of a lot.
He's just he can't absorb as much contact as as maybe you would like and so you see that come into into play when he's trying to get up and contested shot so instead he can mitigate that a little bit by becoming a better perimeter defender and becoming a smarter defender.
Right now, he's doing some kind of dumb things.
I don't mean dumb, like like he's not smarter or anything.
Just he's missing, reads on the defensive, and he's turning his head at the wrong moment.
We saw teams we saw the Nuggets actually picked on him, ran plays to go at Cosmo and put him in situations where he had to read backdoor cuts, and he struggled with that.
So I think there's some little things like that that he can pick up one with his positioning.
And that's why I want to see Jared Dudley really work with him like he's dead.
He's really good at positioning.
Would make him a lot better.
Yeah, and so what? You're talking about taking the charges? What do you say about Caruso then? Because he's always taking charges.
He's always on the floor.
He's not a big body.
No, but But Caruso's also, he's also Captain America.
He's got soldier serum pumping through his veins.
He recovers so fast.
So, yeah, I mean, he's Caruso is just that guy where he's he's Rudy like he could you can beat Caruso down and he's gonna pop right back up, and he's gonna be ready for more.
He In fact, I pretty sure like I have no sources on this whatsoever.
But I have to imagine that whenever Caruso takes a charge at the very least, in his head, if not out loud, he's got to be saying I could do this all day.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
And since we're talking about first of just a second, all I want for Christmas Hanukkah, I'm Jewish.
So, Monica, the only thing I want is Alex Caruso to be in the dunk contest.
Can we Can we make this a pink? We make it happen.
I'm all for him in the dunk.
Hashtag let Caruso dunk.
Yes, hashtag collectors. So dunk.
Because like this, it's one duck.
Someone takes a shot from three point range.
It misses and he comes flying in over three guys.
And that's what does every time, how long it is.
One of those guys is Kevin Durant.
Then I think he wins it.
Right? Just re create that.
See that again? Hashtag Collectors of dunk.
It's a thing we're gonna make it happen way Definitely need to make it a thing, all right, we're gonna talk a little bit about the upcoming match up with the Portland Trail Blazers, which, if the Lakers win, they will sweep this road trip, which would be incredibly impressive, but first quick shot to response.
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So let's talk about the upcoming game.
Lakers taking on the Portland Trail Blazers heading to Portland.
Game three of a three game road trip.
I said before the road trip that I would be happy if they want to.
Out of the three.
Well, they've already done that.
Now they have a chance to sweep the road trip, but Portland's not an easy place to play.
Blazers fans see the Lakers as their biggest rifle, at least in general.
They dio they get fired up whenever the Lakers come to town.
So let's talk about this matchup.
The Blazers haven't been quite as good as we thought they would be this season, their ninth place in the Western Conference.
What do the Lakers new need to do to go into Portland, get a win and finish off the road trip with a perfect 33 record? It's basically going to keep doing the same thing that they have been doing that.
But it's really stopping Damian Lillard and C. J.
And they need to have good defensive presence against those two guys because they can beat you by.
We've seen Damian Lillard beat the Lakers over the years by himself.
So if you could get somebody on paying in green, yeah, it's tough.
So whenever, like Rondo's in and Willard's in the same time, that's gonna be a difficult matchup.
You're gonna have that Caruso there to try and slow him down, or it's gonna have to be somebody like we're not gonna have Avery Bradley.
So there's not a lot of guards that can really stick with him.
And if you'd leave him open than that, if you leave him unguarded, then you have C.
McCollum is gonna be, too, and flick it right now.
You have Carmelo Anthony playing very well in the offense.
Been not so much on the defense event.
Well, I think the biggest matchup that is gonna be the most fun to watch is Hassan Whiteside is having a really good season actually track here.
Contract your contract, right? So he's having good and sew him against Anthony Davis.
That's gonna be some to watch, because that's too big bodies that like to block shots and can do a lot of damage around the rim.
It's gonna be a battle in the post there between those two, Uh, some people asking L cowboy N B A.
Hopefully it's not the Dallas Cowboys reference their eggs that just that hurts right, right there.
But when is Avery Bradley coming back? So just a quick update as we talk about the Blazers, Bradley is gonna get re evaluated when the Lakers get back from this road trip.
So we're talking probably Saturday he'll get re evaluated, and, uh so that's, uh then we'll know more, right? We had hoped to be back by now.
Here's the thing like Avery Bradley being out this week.
We hoped he would be back, but obviously didn't happen.
Rough time, because look at who we would have been going up against.
He would have been guarding Donovan Mitchell.
He would have been guarding Jamal Murray, and now he would have had a chance to take on C.
McCollum and or Damian Lillard.
And so the Lakers were gonna have to find a way to get by without him.
Greg, I want to hit you with some stats here because the Blazers right now, our 11th in the N B A.
And offensive rating, which not surprising considering they have McCollum and Willard, but 21st and defensive rating, 19th and net rating overall.
So this is a team that that there, they could score points, but they get scored on quite a bit as well.
Their defense isn't great, so the Lakers are going to need to try to take advantage of that.
And if they can do a few things here and there to slow down at least one of Lillard or McCollum, you can at least stop one of them to a degree I'm talking about, keep them in the safe 15 to 20 point range instead of 25 to 30 then, uh, I think they've got a really good shot here.
Yeah, and the thing is like with a triple.
It's just they're a very good three point shooting team.
Alert McCollum and even Carmelo Anthony, big time three point shooters.
And we've already seen over the last week or so that the Lakers perimeter defense has kind of slacked off a little bit here and there where they're not.
They're giving up a lot of three pointers.
I don't know if it's just the guys were just hitting them more off the handsome because it seems like sometimes these guys just can't miss.
Didn't Memphis in, like, eight in a row to start a game. It was insane.
But then you go and you look at the stats and the Lakers are bad.
I want to say they're like sixth or seventh in the N B A right now in terms of opponents, three point percentage.
It feels like they just get lit up from deep, but they're actually doing OK there.
But you're right, though.
I mean, look, if the Blazers are gonna stick in this game, it's just like a lot of the games we've seen recently.
If they're gonna do it, if they're going to somehow beat the Lakers, it's going to be from behind the arc.
Yes, and that's I mean, those three guys until we're talking about, are all like right around 40% there.
That's a high rate of them.
You know you're gonna get those.
Three guys could easily go for 25 points, especially with the way that Carmelo Anthony is playing right now, which is really proving why he should have never been with the Lakers at any point. Anyway.
While he's playing well, he still doesn't get it.
He still has not figured out the same kind of Dwight Howard time situation because this is what Portland kind of gave them.
They said, Hey, we're gonna make you a focal point.
You can do what you want.
We just want the scoring and he's doing just that.
You try and put that on this Laker seeing people getting upset because Carmelo Anthony is putting up, you know, 20 points a game, whatever it is.
And then that's not for the Lakers.
Because he wouldn't fit with the Lakers.
You wouldn't have accepted the eventual like Dwight did.
He wouldn't have accepted.
He would have wanted to start and he wants the ball and he's gonna still a ball stopper.
So, Greg, just just to clarify, I mean, we've got people that are in our life chat here that have been saying that it's the Lakers should have picked up Carmelo Anthony that they should have gone.
I mean, reigning player of the week and all that.
And you're saying I got to know that he's not, Don't you want? Absolutely not.
I don't think he would have fit into this scheme.
You really think that when you your focal point of the offense is Anthony Davis? And if it's not Anthony Davis, it's LeBron James.
Where he gets that he's the one that could be the ball stopper at times.
You can't add another one of those guys in there just because he's scoring on a team that the Portland Trail Blazers that needed scoring, they were like we're losing games were only scoring 90 points a game.
Damian Lillard was hurt for a little bit, so that's why they brought him in.
And it just seemed to kind of work.
That was not gonna work here, not with the type of team that they have it.
He's wasn't gonna come off the bench.
Could you see Carmelo Anthony working with LeBron and Anthony Davis and being the ball stopper and not being a defensive presence? With the way this defense, it is plain.
I could see the Lakers using him off the bench in that kind of role.
What commitment? Those minutes when LeBron and 80 aren't on the floor? Maybe which is basically what Kyle Kuzma is supposed to be doing.
But he's just not having a lot of success right now.
I could I could see him, maybe in that kind of role, but as a starter, probably not.
And like we said, I mean the Lakers so much.
What they've been doing is their defense.
I don't I don't know how exactly that would work out.
Okay, so that's the one party with Mel on defensive end, then take up.
You said that you would see him in an eventual.
You can see him in the ventral eyes.
See himself on eventual because he's starting in Portland.
He's doing whatever he wants.
If he gets the ball. You could.
There was a There was a play where he body, he backed up.
A guy missed the shot on a turn away.
John turnaround jumper ran after the board got the board.
Mr Missed the shot, got another board, put it back in, and people like, Oh, my God, Carmelo, so good.
You don't do that on the Lakers.
That's not a thing that is allowed to happen with this team, especially not as a start.
So again, No, Carmelo Anthony was never the right guy for the Lakers.
So everyone out there saying, God, we would have loved in here.
You would not have and it would not have worked.
Yeah, sure for sure.
You know what? Like I I agree with you.
And by the way, I'm happy for Carmelo Anthony.
I'm happy that he's back in a little.
I'm happy that he's finding success important, unhappy that he's doing those things.
A lot of people are saying, No, they shouldn't have Jared Dudley.
They should've got Carmelo Anthony.
The Lakers need more of a Jared Dudley, Then they need Carmelo Anthony because the chemistry because, like we've been saying, the camaraderie, all of that that matters to a team that matters to a team that wants to win a title like the Lakers do.
If you're the Blazers and you're suddenly needing scoring and you need that burst, that's gonna put you back into into the mix and you're willing to try something, then you go grab Carmelo Anthony.
The Lakers need stability right now, and I don't think that's that's what he would provide.
You know one thing that I want to get into here.
Portland and their last game.
This was their starting lineup Lillard McCollum, Rodney Hood, Carmelo Anthony and Hassan Whiteside.
So, assuming that we see the Lakers regular starting lineup, which surveillance center that would mean that Carmelo Anthony is guarding Anthony Davis? Yeah, that's not working.
There's no way that that works in any sense.
So what is Portlandia? What's Terry's thoughts going to Dio deal with that? Can they go? Yes, and I think the way that they are going to do that is because they're gonna try and kind of hide Carmelo on JaVale McGee, knowing that your bail is just gonna do.
He's not really a focal point of the offense.
He's just a guy that's gonna kind of fly in for a dunk every once in a while or they'll find him down low.
But you can kind of allow Carmelo to cheat and help a little bit of help with her son.
But I can't imagine putting white side on, um on JaVale.
And if they do, that's a gigantic mistake from Portland because you need to hide Carmel.
He cannot stay with Anthony Davis.
Can Whiteside like? Okay, if you put let's say you put whites out on a nadie, don't you just set a D up 20 feet for the basket? Given the ball and say Go.
I can't stick with Anthony Davis on the permits.
Well, I mean, that's why the Lakers were gonna win this game, right? Yeah.
Yeah, the red look.
Realistically, most teams don't have somebody that can defend and Davis, right? So this isn't just like picking on Portland or anything.
I'm just saying there's some intriguing matchups here that we're going to see and look.
Stocks is a good coach, and I'm legitimately curious to see how he handles this lakersroster, right, because yes, like you're saying, I mean, that's what the great thing about Anthony Davis is.
He could beat you inside.
You compete you outside, and if you and if he goes outside and they play, pick and roll with LeBron James, which is pretty much an unstoppable play, I'm not sure anybody has an idea, really, how to stop the LeBron James Anthony Davis pick and roll.
So if you do any of those things, that's why there are none available is it's gonna come down to.
Can the Blazers outshoot the Lakers? It's not gonna be on the defensive, and they're going to give up 120 points.
The Lakers is whether they can get 122 130.
Yeah, that's what it's gonna be.
It's gonna turn into a issued out and we'll see what happens there.
Get putting up 120 to 125.
Whatever points on the Lakers, Probably not like now, if anybody is gonna do it, Lillard and McCollum, I'm not gonna count them out.
But difficult, considering how good the Lakers have been defensively, right? And I think Anthony Davis is a good matchup for a guy like like Hassan Whiteside, who has been playing very well, but that's a body that he's gonna have to.
Whiteside is gonna have to try and get through.
He's gonna have to be kind of like, um, some of the other players that we've seen that are just flying like a Dwight Powell who just goes in for dunks and that kind of his only thing you know, that's where he that's what he is, where he's not to live.
Because if you're gonna try and run any through anything through him, he's not gonna get it done.
Now check this out, Greg.
If I'm Frank Vogel, there's a stat out here that jumps out to me, jumps off the page that if I'm gonna beat the Portland Trail Blazers, there's one thing that I can do and that is crashed the glass because check this out.
The Portland Trail Blazers, as of right now, our 30th which that means dead last really n ba in second chance points.
Oh, there and their 28th in offensive rebounds.
There also 30th an opponent free throw attempts.
So that means that it was a team that is fouling a lot, and this is a team that is giving up.
Ah, lot of offensive boards, a lot of put backs.
And I'll tell you, I haven't seen a ton of Blazers games, but what I think is happening is Hassan Whiteside is known as a guy who chases blocks because he knows, Look, contract here, get those blocks up, then you can go into contract negotiations and say, Look, I blocked three shots a game, isn't that great? But the reality is, when you're chasing blocks, all it takes is something getting up on the rim and then the Lakers secondary big.
Whether it's javale, whether it's a d, whoever it is, it could be.
LeBron is gonna come in and absolutely feast because the next best guy try to box anybody out is Carmelo Anthony, right? So s so that would be the one thing.
If I'm Frank Vogel, I am writing it on the white board.
I'm circling it a 1,000,000 times, crash the offensive glass because I think that's where the Lakers can really separate themselves from the Blazers.
Take advantage of a mismatch there and then push this from a game that maybe they have to fight for two a game that could be a blowout if they can really hit the offensive glass against the players.
And that's where guys like JaVale, McGee and especially Dwight Howard has been a blast, especially on that second unit.
So if that's gonna be a big time, when you know if it seems like they're giving up a lot of there's a lot of fouls and that just usually gonna be a white side, that's it's gonna be an interesting dynamic.
What happens here because we've seen that LeBron doesn't get to the free throw line is probably as often as you should if they're a team that fouls as much as you're saying that they do.
That kind of fits right into LeBron being aggressive, getting to the basket, getting fouled and going to the free throw line, hopefully hitting most of his free throws.
Some depends on the night friend, but But, yes, I think this could be very well be a big time game for both those Hamma and Anthony Davis.
We've seen Anthony Davis shoot 27 free throws in the game.
We could possibly see that kind of thing again.
Well speaking 27 the Lakers right now, our 27th in the league and free throw percentage.
So and and I believe it, why, yes, that then that's why.
But I'll talk my head, too.
I believe I could be wrong.
Does not top my head.
But I believe the Blazers actually allow 27 free throws per game is like 27 point something free throw attempts per game.
So that number's coming up a lot, so I don't know what that means.
Maybe it's a sign the Lakers gonna win by 27.
That's gotta be.
That's a great call. That would be it.
And I think I mean, when it comes to the free throw percentage, it's It's interesting to look at it, too, because Rondo is bad free throw shooter.
He's gonna miss a couple of those, Um, but with the way that Dwight Howard plays, gets to the free throw line, a pretty decent amount, he's not been, he's basically 50%.
Sometimes you hit a couple of like a white sitting some free throws, but he's a guy that he's gonna miss.
A lot of his S O is JaVale.
This is they've never been a great free throw shooting.
But when you have a guy like Anthony Davis, who's shooting 88% from the free throw line, that kind of helps everything out along the way.
Yeah, yes, he's the one to stay out of the most.
He's I mean, he's even the guy taking the technical free throws right breast because he's the He's the better free throw shooter than LeBron James is.
He's a better future to the most guys, or maybe KCP can get in there or something.
But he's probably the best free throw shooter on the team right now, I guess.
I mean, aside from like a Quinn cook or somebody like that, right, But it has been rhythm, too.
So if you're gonna send him to the free throw line, he's hitting those Fritos.
That's just him being like, Oh, OK, now I know I can hit these jump shots do so Your prediction for this game before we move on to our next topic, what do you What do you think's gonna happen when the Lakers take on the Portland Trail Blazers in Portland, which is a weird city, But they like being that's gonna happen.
I think the Lakers were gonna still win this game.
I don't really believe in Portland.
A lot of the lot of the numbers that you're throwing at me to just kind of boat well for the Lakers and match up wise.
There's not a lot of good matchups for Portland, so as long as they can keep down Lillard in a column for the most part, then I see this game acting associate being closed because playing in Portland's very, very difficult they lose in Portland, even when they're a good team.
So I'm gonna call it, Let's say 1 12 108 Lakers.
Okay, 1 12 Wanna wait? Lakers? I like it.
I'll take it based on whatever this weirdness of 27 popping up so much, I'm going to say the Lakers win by 27.
I'm gonna make the back and say, I would say it's 127 to 100.
I would never bet that, but I feel like I'm gonna have to eat this.
Think 99 of the three road shirts games all kept around 100 there we go. Okay. All right.
I like that one.
So what? 26 to 29.
We'll roll with that.
We'll roll will roll with that 11 26 to 99.
That's that's what I'm saying.
That if it happens, then uh, then great.
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John or End for The Sports Business Journal reported that the NBA's TV ratings on TNT are down 23% on your your company, ESPN, down 20% and on ours and down 13%.
I'm not expecting them to stay down this low as the season goes on or anything, but Adam Silver's mentioned that he's concerned about it, that this isn't working out.
So I thought we were talking about a little bit.
What do you think is that cause of this? Why RNB ratings down right now? What do you think, Greg? Well, there's a lot of things, A lot of reasons for it.
So the best team in all of the MBA for a long time last 56 years has been the Golden State Warriors.
So on nationally televised games this year, the Golden State Warriors were expected to be on a lot of those games.
They're not good.
There's a lot of there's a lot of injuries on that team and they're just not the same team that you were kind of looking at.
There's also things like Who was the best player in the NBA that was on the East last year was quite Leonard.
He is now in L. A.
Where they played almost.
They played most of their games at home.
I think it's what I'm actually looking at it.
14 of their games at home, which means that most of those games it's not nationally televised starts at 7 30 right? So those numbers all of a sudden start dropping, which is 10 30 on the East Coast, where you lose a lot of these Coast fans on you lost.
The other main guy that was for the East was LeBron James, also in L.
A starts his games at 7 30 Playing a lot of games at home, then is you go in and look at the East.
You're looking at teams that the teams that really need to hold the audience and get those four games really plain and really getting those numbers up.
Milwaukee, Boston and Toronto.
And are they holding people's interests as much as you would kind of want them to toe hold those four games for them? Probably not.
So you're missing the The East doesn't have lots of your earlier games, even if they're not even nationally televised games.
They're still injuries.
They're still guys that aren't playing.
Brooklyn has Kevin Durant.
There's no Kevin Durant to play in Brooklyn, and Harry's been hurt.
And Kyra's been er so your two superstars, who? You probably gave a lot of national televised games, too, as well again, it hurt injury, and then the other part of it is you're just kind of It's kind of weird.
You're just talking about, you know, what is it? That's what you were doing that right? But 50 Ends VP ends are another reason why these numbers air down.
Is the cord cutting cord cutting exactly.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
I'm a cord cutter.
I still watch games, and I still you know, there's I don't use a VPN, but these air types of things that make the rain go down.
So I mean those there's a whole bunch of reasons but ratings itself for a very weird thing in general, to and working in radio.
It's kind of a big part of my job is understanding ratings ratings, and I'm not trying to stop talking.
This is that I was going to say this is This is why I want to make sure I went into this topic with you because because I knew that you would have that side of it for us because it would give us a whole other perspective on it.
So no, I appreciate everything you're saying here.
So ratings the way that ratings workers Very weird and interesting.
So it's really much the same.
It's all kind of all works together.
Arbitron was not even Arbitron anymore. It's Nielsen.
The way they work is that one guy in the 25 54 Rangers.
What everybody's kind of looking for the 20 foot male, 25 54 is what is important to most ratings.
One guy has a meter or whatever it is, and that says that Let's say I'm the meter and I'm sitting in my house and I don't watch a basketball game.
I'm not a I'm not a basketball fan. I'm watching.
You know, C s I or whatever that's telling me that I'm watching C s.
I So everybody else around me in a certain Radius is also watching C.
So they're not watching, even if the guy next door to me is watching.
You know Lakers Blazers, It doesn't matter.
He doesn't kept because the rating doesn't actually say that.
He is one of those guys.
Oh, yeah, it's really outdated.
System and ratings are just silly in general, but that's kind of the way that we say.
That's That's why John Orin is putting out stories about ratings because that's the That's the measurement that we have.
It also doesn't take into effect of streaming.
It doesn't take into the fact that, like, I don't know if the n b A package gets put into that into that part of it, so that people have the package and they're watching Desert CNC game work on it on a package like the test it's nationally televised will be blacked out on Big Pass unless you're using a VPN like we're just talking about the games people don't watch are the games that are not nationally televised.
That would be N B, A, T v, TNT, ESPN and all those right, so those are all reasons that people, because you can still get your local channel even it's inserted a TNT game.
You can still find a way to watch the game.
It doesn't matter.
So I think that if you look at ratings, I don't think that that ratings are overall down for the MBA.
I think television ratings are down.
Those 20% people are still watching.
People are still interested that I think it's a popular as it's ever been.
I think that if anything, NFL might have gone down a little bit because people the MPs were interesting in the NFL.
And I hate to say that you were gonna start killing me now, but whatever it is, but but the NFL has fantasy and fantasy is set up.
So you have people watching who don't even care about football that much.
But watch it because they're into fantasy football.
And I think that's you know, the N B.
A doesn't have anywhere near anything near that.
It's a bad part of the equation, too.
But but the other part of this year you mentioned the n B A is interesting.
The NBA's excuse much, much younger, then the NFL does then certainly that MLB does So when you're looking at at the n.
A, and we're talking about how many cord cutters there are in all of that, the demographics for cord cutters tend to skew younger.
Is going to be affected by court cutting.
Their numbers are gonna be affected more than, say, Major League Baseball will, where the demographic is much older, right? And if you if you want to pay, you know, 125 bucks to $200 for your for your cable package, more power to you.
But being the younger generation that we are in that you know, I have a good job, I still had a court because I got to save that money.
That's a lot of money in months.
So and I'm not alone in saying that I can't afford $150 a $200 for of a monthly fee on my on my television.
So if I get rid of that and I can put more food on my table, most other people are going to do that, and that's going to affect the overall ratings.
But people are still watching.
There's finding ways to watch it.
There's there, used to be read it, streams read it, took it away, which was a very smart thing.
But they're still always there's ways that people do things.
Where's ways that people get around it? And that's one of the main reasons wide ratings are down.
Well, so then let me ask you if you're if you're the n b A.
And you know that your TV deals are a big source of income.
And so if you're saying that the the eyeballs on the league may not be down, just you have less people actually watching on television through these, these these TV packages and things like that.
What do you do to monetize the other avenues that people are using Tow Watch NBA games if you're the N b A.
Knowing that probably your next TV deal isn't gonna be as good as the one that we have right now, which means you could be looking at a decrease in in revenue, which means we could talk about the salary cap being affected by that and everything else.
So if you're the N B A.
How do you pivot from here and still capture this younger generation and still find a way to monetize what you've got.
And that's the the eyes being on the league.
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
There's a lot smarter people than I am that are thinking that exact same thing and trying to figure that out right now, I don't think there is a a pure solution right now unless having some kind of destabilized Internet or whatever it is where you can't where you can't go and decentralized that what it is, whatever it is, but where you can go anywhere you can't these sites get shut down and they almost forced you to, but people will always find waits.
I mean, there's their sights that you'll be able to find unless they actually go in and shut him down, which would be a disaster, because a lot of people wouldn't be able to watch your products Still, Then I think that putting it on Twitter, putting it, just putting it live and not getting monetization out of it, which kind of goes against solve everything that they want to dio.
They're they're a business just like everything else, so they want.
If you put free stuff on the Internet, people are gonna find that this is kind of what the Internet does.
Right now, everything you get is for free.
So I don't I don't have a great answer. Free Trevor.
I'm sorry. I wish I had a great answer for it.
Hey, wishes wishes you to write They would there be Adam Silver will be calling you up right after this, right.
Hey, that's a great idea.
But I just don't know what the answer is because it's just going.
This is how it's going to be.
If you can find anything you want on the Internet for fruit, you're gonna find basketball for Yeah.
Yep, that's true.
And then, you know, it's it's a challenge.
They're going to figure out a solution to it at some point.
For now, you've got cable network networks that want to keep things locked down.
They want to keep things under their control.
I mean, look at you.
Look at what the NFL is done.
Their their system where you have to have direct TV in order to have their package, and they've locked down their content as much as they can and everything.
Like, I think the n b A country needs to go the opposite way that they have to try to make sure their their product gets in front of as many people as possible.
But then again, finding a way to monetize it is the trick.
And it's gonna be interesting to see how all that all that plays out.
I mean, you can shut down certain things here and there, but well, I'm always gonna quote Jurassic Park here, right? Like the Internet finds a way like life finds a way right, they find ways to get around it.
So it's going to be a key thing to watch her moving forward for the league.
For the Lakers, the team that has the most eyeballs on them.
It's gonna be something that's gonna be really important to this league.
And I think something within the next five years is gonna have to give.
Yeah, I think you made a great point of saying that you know that the NBA's needs to go the opposite way.
That they kind of are.
They go on YouTube.
You can't go on YouTube and look and find a game from an NFL game.
They won't let you watch it.
They say No, but that's ours.
You can't watch.
You can't play our highlights.
Those are our highlights, NB says.
Go ahead, take our highlights.
Put him out everywhere.
Have everybody see them? It's It's just a world where you can actually play highlights and they don't care.
Like yes, yes, Maur n B a is better, and that's the That's the right model.
That's why Adam Silver should be the god of all the commissioners and just allow it to be the commissioner of all commissioners.
And do this for everyone because he is the best that he understands.
The model understands younger generation shockingly, and he just he knows that getting his product out there, he wins.
Yeah, it may not be in the TV revenue, but it's at the revenue at the gates.
It's that revenue, its revenue by buying like shirts and hats and all the other stuff you find you still find ways to make money by having your product be more accessible, by the way totally off topic.
But speaking of hats, one of our commenters here said said Gregor had his dope, by the way.
Actually, that's one thing that I'm very proud of.
Like I have a nice little collection of that's back here that are, You know, they're all really This is what my favorite one, which, if you like that, this one is my a D. C. I.
That's a good one right there, too.
But yeah, this one is, uh, this is a free plug, but Mitchell and Ness good stuff right there.
They always make it a nice, nice I've got Xander Stein from YouTube says cheaper league past access is the key.
Everyone has Netflix because it's just within 10 bucks a month.
Like if Look, Disney has their own streaming service.
ESPN is ESPN plus.
If the NBA's were to either latch onto another streaming service and market it wide like that and have that be the main method of of consuming some of these games? You know you don't want to lose the big TV deals on top of it, but still, if you can find a way to get all of that out there at a better rate, maybe you get more people that are willing to say okay, I'm not gonna go find an illegal stream somewhere.
I'm just gonna give the NBA's whatever, you know, the small fee per month.
And I'm gonna be able to watch anything anytime I want.
And it's gonna be better quality and all of these things.
I think maybe that's a that's a path forward.
We've seen it with the MLS a little bit where they've put all of their games online.
They've partnered with ESPN Plus because they want to see Maur people view their product.
Maybe there's something there, but again, they look I don't have all the details worked out, but maybe some sort of streaming service would work, possibly.
And I think that's a great thoughts, and it's a very astute thought.
Here's the issue and you were talking about just a second ago, but if you can get it for free, that's it.
You're not gonna pay for it if I can go online and I can find a way to watch the N B A.
If I can watch the Laker game every single night, nothing.
But if I watch the Laker game every single game off of a site for free.
I'm not gonna pay.
Even if they charge me 6 99 a month to put like Disney pluses.
I'm not gonna pay that 6 99 a month tow watch something I can get for free trade war.
And if the problem with Netflix and distant plus and who plus and whatever other streams that you want to use, they can't stop you from sharing your password.
And so you let's say you, Trevor by you by the league past.
And I'm just like, Hey, man, help me out with that the past year.
Sure. Here you go. Here's my password.
And I now I have it.
Yeah, Yep, that's true.
There's always gonna be something.
There's always gonna be way.
It's gonna be really interesting.
CEO Adam Silver handles This whole thing is he's a smart guy.
And, uh, like I said, this is gonna be there for free.
This is this is gonna be the push moving forward.
What what happens here.
Let's finish up with some of the, uh the the questions that are coming on here.
Ah, lot of different comments about about the Lakers.
People are saying they enjoyed our conversation on the league, past situation and in ratings and all that, which is awesome.
Few people said, Go back to basketball.
I mean, just just fine.
I get it wanted to throw it.
Something did to finish off the show.
Uh, let's get into just a few comments here.
A lot of people are throwing trade stuff out already, which I think is, is a little anything for another.
What is We're on this fifth, so least another 10 days for a very, very, very earliest.
Imagine that once, once we hit December 15th then, yeah, people are going crazy with I go with the trade with all the trade stuff.
Who's on your trade block, if you contrary.
If if you had if there was a great trade out there, let's say you does anybody want out there doesn't like of of like a Negro dolla type level.
Who would you actually move from? This thing, I mean anybody, But in my mind, if I'm the Lakers, anybody but LeBron or a D is, I would consider it.
If there's a move out there that will give them the peace they believe puts them over the top and makes them the favorites to win the title.
I'm listening on anybody. Anybody.
That's not LeBron or Anthony Davis, right? Right.
I mean, most words that you'd move Danny Green, you'd move.
I mean, I moved to Vail.
Dwight, he's on the nuns.
I mean, yeah, there's not.
But that's what's happening.
What? This team is just kind of interesting.
They will make a move like, let's be honest, they're not gonna like, Yes, we're going in with this team.
This is our ride or die crew.
I think a lot of these guys sticking around with you and saying that I would trade almost anybody on this team besides Andi Davison, LeBron James.
But I think the most the pieces that will possibly move are gonna be guys like Troy Daniels Quid cook, right? Yeah.
It's gonna be the lower level guys. Jared.
Dudley, I'm not expecting a huge move or or anything like that.
I'm save a team called Reminds.
You would have to listen, but, you know, like I'm not I wouldn't be looking to make huge changes.
I'm not If I'm the Lakers are not going out there being super aggressive trying.
Thio swap out the whole roster or anything like that, because chemistry matters.
Okay, And you're trying to win right now because LeBron James is 34 years old and you need to win right now.
So yeah, I'm not.
I'm not looking to trade the whole roster anything but I've been listening just to see Maybe there's a little tweak.
You could make hair there.
There's a piece you can pick up the bio market.
I think it's gonna be huge for them.
I think they'll be very active there.
So, yeah, that's that's That's where I met with the whole trade situation.
I'd listen on anybody, but I don't think I'd be super motivated to go try to force a trade through or anything like that.
At this point, yes, you have to say a name or anything, but like, what is the thing that you're most looking for for this team to really put them over the top? What's that one piece that's missing? I think I think they need.
I think there's really two pieces.
There's two things that they really need, and that's they needed another wing defender because you're gonna run up against the Clippers.
At some point, you're going to run up against some other teams that have really good wing players.
And so you need somebody else with some size.
So we're not seeing KCP on Kawai or anything like that because they saw that doesn't work.
That's not even fair to KCP.
Any know anybody number to the viewers at home? Not for anybody but uh, And then the other thing is, I think they could use like a like a Williams type microwave scores somebody who could get out there and just create it.
And I know it's supposed to be Kuzma, but somebody who could just flat out create buckets when the Bronner 80 is not on the floor.
I think that's another thing that they're lacking.
But so those are the two things that I that I'd be looking for on the trade market.
100% agree with you, and I think you could even push that into one guy and find somebody that's like that.
We're just a straight up three, and the guy on a pretty decent contract is plenty of guys that are out there that you could possibly try and find.
I don't have names on it right now I gotta look way deeper into it.
But there's always guys around trade, I guess.
Three, indeed. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, look, it was Reggie Bullock last year.
Didn't really work out, But that type of thing we've got I don't know how to say how to say the name.
Here are four on YouTube.
Reagan, Cal for I guess, uh, Avery Danny LeBron Koosman A D.
Thinks that is ultimately going to be the lakersbest lineup.
I think that's what we're probably saying. Preseason.
Do you agree now or do you think the Lakers go with the other big and they're being like like Dwight Howard or JaVale McGee? Do you think that maybe actually the best lineup now that we've seen them play 22 games? So any lineup that has Anthony Davis playing the five to me is the best lineup.
When it has Danny Green, LeBron Anthony Davis on the floor and Avery Bradley as well.
You can pick who is the fifth Got I didn't.
It was It was Avery Bradley.
Was Danny Green LeBron a d and then Kyle Kuzma? Yeah.
I don't think Koosman is the fifth guy there.
Um, I think you can find somebody else to be the fifth guy.
Um, may maybe through a trade, maybe through bio market.
Hopefully that be like an Andre with dollar, which seems kind of unlikely.
But I think somebody else in that situation, Kyle Kuzma I feel like it's got it needs to be on the bench, um, and come off and be the score that he's supposed to be.
But I don't think that either the bigs belong in there as well.
You're gonna You're gonna play javale and Dwight at the five to kind of push Anthony Davis because he wants to be a four.
But the best line of this him as a five.
And I also this doesn't This has this is maybe a different conversation, and you can weigh in on it.
I don't I still don't believe that your veil McGee belongs in the starting lineup.
I still don't think that his game fits with slow half court offense type play.
They do on that on that starting line.
I think that in the on the bench, am I saying moved white into the starting lineup, saying javale off the bench with guys like Rondo, Kuzma and Troy Daniels.
Guys that want to run and get out and move.
That's the best place for him.
Yeah, that's true.
That's, um, look a on paper and practice and theory, whatever.
That's correct, right? I mean, javale.
What he's got over most of the other Biggs is that he's faster than them.
He gets run down the floor faster if he's going up against the pizzas.
Nick Nickell, Yokich Any of these kind of bigger plotting Big Biggs.
Javal can beat them down the floor.
He can rim run and then he can get a dunk in transition.
That was why the Lakers went after him because they had Lonzo ball and you wanted to get a team that could get out and run.
Right? So you have those things.
So I agree with you there.
Why they're not doing it right now is they're winning, right? So there's no reason to mix it up right now because what they're doing is working.
If they were 11 and 11 right now, then, yes, you're I think you're experimenting with those things, but sure But maybe at some point that happens, and I think that I think that you're right.
At some point you may need to move JAVALE, but until they start to struggle, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Look, he's only getting 12 to 15 minutes a game.
It's not that much of a big deal.
He really only gets the beginning of the first quarter and the beginning of the third quarter, and that's really is time on the floor and maybe some mop up duty in the fourth quarter if there are bigger down thing.
But no, I'm not saying to change because, yes, why change anything in 1983? I totally understand that.
But I think moving forward and going ahead, I don't think that he belongs on that starting lineup.
But, yes, you don't do anything right now.
I'm just thinking, sure, yeah, in the future, I could definitely see them going on going to something like that.
Let's see, we've got Shane Howard him from Facebook.
Dwight Howard is 50% from three on the season.
Yeah, yes, he is.
He's one for two.
Absolutely, he's the best three point shooter on the team.
But speaking of that, that was a great We're talking about Frank Vogel earlier.
Why everybody just kind of love with a comment? No.
Yeah, they had the comment from the major league.
Does love that you did it, but never do it again.
Great. That's fantastic.
Like the fact that he dropped a major league reference.
Yeah, just just made me love Frank Vogel.
Not much more like everything he's done with a team.
But you just you just dropped a major league reference in a press conference at Delvaux Bravo.
Vogel like he's saying if he drops in like something from super troopers like snobs, Berry states like I don't love before, but that is another good one.
Do you boys like Mexico? So, Yeah, I love that.
Or this year's D'oh! Yes, hold up.
I don't know if it holds up anymore.
No, the beginning still does.
I think I think 1st 10 minutes till one of the best 1st 10 minutes of any movie.
Ah, that de Fend fan Thomas iam.
We've got some crazy Thio.
Just read off the letters is here. Oh, Here it is.
Can you guys talk about the de facto no trade clause before talking about trading guys away? So the defacto no trade clause the way that works is you have guys like KCP believe it's Avery Bradley may have won javale McGee.
These guys that have player options on their second year because they would lose their bird rights if they're being traded away.
They have a saying that they need to know if they're if they're gonna be negatively impacted, they can actually squash the trades.
That's why they don't have, like, an official, no trade clause.
That's not something is part of their contract.
I thought it's not allowed by the c B A.
You have to have a certain number of years with the same team and everything to be eligible for no trade clause that very hard to get in the NBA.
But what they do have is they have the ability to deny a trade which acts and kind of the same way because they because they would lose their bird rights if they're traded because they have that second year option.
So that's why they have those.
It has come up before Devon George years ago.
If you guys remember him, he actually stopped the trade from happening back when he was playing because he had a no trade.
I think it was when I was with the Mavericks.
So that's that's something to look at K C.
In his case, he also has a 15% trade kicker, though, so if he was traded, maybe he would just go cool.
I'm getting 15% more money.
I'll sign off on this, but But maybe not if he wants to be on a winning team, but on a contender.
The bottom line is you can't trade those guys without their consent, right? And most of the time, guys like case U P you really gonna agree to move from a 19 and three team, which, at that point, maybe they're, you know, 20 something in five or whatever it happens to be? Yeah, it's KCP.
And also clutch itself is not gonna say, Yeah, let's move this guy and because they're hoping that he becomes the three Andy guy that they're looking for, that's the third score that just hit a couple three pointers in a game and play good to decent defense.
Well, and even And even with the mean, the clutch thing obviously is important.
But even without that, right, I mean, we just saw Dwight Howard go to bat for KCP.
LeBron James has said good things about about KCP about the negative comments that he was getting it and all of that.
So the team just stood up for the guy, right? They helped him out.
They come and they showed that camaraderie.
They showed that the brotherhood, all of that you're not gonna go and then trade that guy like that's chemistry.
Could be a delicate thing.
So I don't think the Lakers were gonna try to push to get any of these guys out the door.
Hey, KCP, can we start shopping you around? What you sign off on on this? I I don't see it.
Not with the way things are going right now.
No, no, I don't think so either.
And I think begin.
And you're saying this is the closest team that I've seen in quite some time.
You get that phone fake Like Like oh, getting cited for Mo Wagner when he hits his first basket last year.
That's something that's it's like a fake like, Okay, we all love each other, but they actually do really like each other.
It's where you can see it in the locker room, and it's all starts with LeBron.
You hear there was a There was a cut from yes from last night's game, where he where he said something in the back of in the middle of Anthony Davis's press conference with reporters.
He was just like Oh, good golly or something.
I don't never exactly what the words were, but he's just talking in there.
He's getting everybody hyped up in there.
It's This is a very closely knit team and I'm breaking it up.
It might be tough to do.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It might be because, look, you said one of these guys on his way and the rest of the team is gonna be brought down because they're seeing somebody that you really like Go.
I think that matters, that chemistry matters and all of that.
Hey, this is a name.
It's been thrown out here a ton.
A lot of people have been mentioning that, saying the ideal person for the Lakers to go after.
If they could get this person. Don't say it.
What do you think I'm gonna say? Jamal Crawford? That has popped up.
That was popped up.
But this is what I'm gonna go with.
That name has popped up a bunch.
But the name that I'm seeing the most Joe Ingles, Joe Ingles he's been having a bad year with with Utah.
Where is it? But that's I mean, Dude can shoot, and Utah has kind of fallen off.
Yeah, I kind of see him doing it, but I'm gonna have to look at his contract.
That's a look, A whole bunch of things because we're gonna move four.
Joe Ingles And who is Utah? Who's notoriously a second half team.
They come out, they start off slow every single year.
And the second half, they go absolutely bananas.
And everybody started saying, Oh my God, Utah's really good again.
I feel like that's gonna happen again.
And I think Joey goes will eventually figure it out.
But you would be great.
I just can't imagine that Utah would make that trade within within conference like that.
Joe Ingles has three years on his deal, including this season, making 13,000,000 this year.
8 the year after and then 14 million the year after that.
So, I mean, he's making a pretty sizable amount.
You would have to find a piece that piece to send to Utah.
And Utah's not just gonna go. Hey, Joe Ingles.
Do you want to go help the Lakers, right? Exactly.
They're not gonna do anything to try to help l.
They're not in that business, so but But I think he's a good name.
Like if you could get him, I think he'd be a great fit.
I mean, if that's something that actually happens, you have to find the money to work.
So you're talking about a KCP? That's kind of right there on his on his level.
But then, yeah, I don't know how his defensive rating is.
So what is his defense if we're gonna go really deep into this because this team is built on defense and if he does not play defense well enough, I don't think they make that move, but yeah.
Look, I love Ingles.
I think this game is great.
He just hasn't been hidden this year.
Yeah, I think that he's the kind of smart player that can really help a team.
And again, I'm I don't think that that's something it's really gonna happen, that they're gonna make a move to get him or anything like that.
I'm trying to pull up his defensive rating.
When it comes up, I'll let you know.
But yeah, look, I mean, that type of player, I think, could be an interesting fan.
And I like that.
Our chat through that out there because it's a That's a pretty pretty solid name to go after.
Yes, no, absolutely.
That's why I was before the season started and they were still in, Um, they were still in the free agency period.
I really wanted boy on Bogdanovich.
Yes, I thought that was I thought that would have been a great pickup.
And I thought it was a fantastic pickup for Utah.
And I mean, he was 6 to 10 last night.
Yeah, so I mean, like, yeah, you can shoot from all over the place anyway, with the Bogdanovich name ends up getting everything so and beating Lakers consistently, but yeah, he, you know, I think would have been a great fit, and I think Ingles would be, too.
It can't see it happening.
I can't see it either.
But that's every player you find.
Somebody got a little bit of size complain.
The perimeter can shoot.
Obviously, you'd like somebody who could defend it on high level.
Not sure if Ingles could do that.
For whatever reason.
I'm not being able to pull up his defensive rating right now.
So to that point, sorry he has on his contract.
I'm looking at SPO track of his contract.
It says $250,000.
Unlikely defensive rating.
Less than less than 100.
So he gets money for being with defender because it's unlikely because I figured that out.
Hey, Joe Ingles, we're gonna put this into your contract because you are unlikely to be a good defendant, right? Yeah, like we don't expect you to get under 100 but if you do, here's $250,000 s.
Oh, yeah, that's that's just kind of saying, Mike, he has an incentive in its contract to be a good defender.
He's also 32 years old, so he's kind of on the wrong side of 30.
That's another guy that if you're going for the for the youth, which I don't know if they are, I think they're going more for when now.
So you could say exactly be a fit? Yep, for sure.
Yeah, it could still work out, but like we said, I don't know that I don't think trade right now is super high on their priorities.
But it's certainly something that as we get closer to the trade deadline they're gonna be looking at.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a move.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Clippers made a move.
I think the Clippers Aaron an easier spot to make a trade than the Lakers are.
So who knows if they start getting wind of the Clippers might be doing something.
Maybe that pushes the Lakers to kind of respond with the move their own.
But But we'll see.
You know Rob Pelinka is not a guy to just kind of sit on his hands and okay, it's all good.
I think I think he'll be pretty active.
Whether or not anything comes of it.
Well, we'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, I honestly think that there will be some kind of trade.
They won't go into the postseason.
We're in the second half.
Looking at the exact same team.
There will be some moves.
Don't figure out this is what we need.
This is what we're going to go out and get.
It is whether or not another team just decides to help.
Same with the Clippers.
I think that clippers seem when you have Jerry West sitting back there helping you make move right, they're gonna make some type of move as going like, Oh, God did it again.
So, yeah, it's gonna It's gonna be fun down the stretch.
Yeah, Should be interesting, that's for sure.
Well, I think that we we covered a lot here.
There's a lot of people thrown out, all kinds of names and things like that, which is Lakers fans will love talking trade.
But, Greg, this was great.
Really appreciate you coming on here.
We obviously covered a wide variety of topics and, uh, had a lot of people saying that they were really happy with this show.
So appreciate you joining in, of course, always happy to do it whenever you need.
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