Hello, Lakers nation.
Welcome in to the Lakers Nation postgame show.
Hey, it's good to be the Lakers right now.
Back to back wins on the road.
What? Flu? Yeah, These guys air sick on the road Doesn't matter.
They go into Utah and absolutely destroy the Utah Jazz.
Unbelievable performance for the Lakers.
They look like they're just on another level.
Finish off the game with a 1 2196 win.
Must have had some up time.
That's That's how energy should feel.
Fine with 7 11 GNC and amazon dot com Joining me, Jazz Kang Jazz How You know, we were worried about this game head in, Just like last night's game against the Nuggets and the Lakers came through.
I don't know what to say.
This team is really good.
We're gonna have a short postgame show tonight. Lakers a great.
That was a complete ass kick.
And we'll see you all next time, right? That's no, really, but, um, to me, Yeah.
I mean, we were talking about the fact that we were scared that they might come a little bit slow to start of the game because you get to travel a little bit.
It's not that far, obviously from from Denver to Salt Lake City.
But, um, you know, we're worried about the fact that our they're gonna have their legs He had the flu thing with and Frank Vogel saying before the game that Cal Koosman Anthony Davis are kind of the guys that are fueling it the most.
And I mean 80 played great, Kyle Cruise, My handsome, handsome, great stints, I would say had some bad moments as well.
But, uh, yeah, we were expecting it.
I think this kind of stands things right now in 19 and three.
You can't question anymore.
The Lakers are for real, and I saw a sit down Oh, uh, Georgia O'Donnell from ESPN Tweet this earlier and I kind of jumped in on it as well.
To me, it's a two horse race, right? It's gonna be the Lakers and Clippers.
I don't know if anybody else has the horses to deal with these guys.
Um, this wind kind of I don't want to say it validated it because I always knew the Lakers were a championship contender as they were, but to me, I think this wind kind of showed me that there is separation between the Lakers, the Clippers and everybody else in the Western Conference.
What about you? Yeah, I agree that that does appear to be the way things are shaking out of the It's a little bit of running because we went into this season talking all about parody and how much parody there is across the league and all of those things now that there's just no Golden State Warriors anymore, right? The waters are this, This juggernaut, in fact, there, I think, the worst team in the West right now.
But But they've kind of been there.
Spot has been taken now by the Lakers and the Clippers.
It's It's not just before where it was like, OK, it's clearly the Warriors of the best team in the West.
And maybe Houston could give the discussion.
No, Right now it's the Lakers.
It's the Clippers.
Maybe Houston is kind of in that same spot where they could potentially get in the discussion, but they are on a different level than everyone else.
And again, that's what's really scary is that the Clippers have had players who have been together for a little while now or not.
Paul George and Kawai Leonard.
But guys like mantra is Harold Lou Williams.
Players like that.
The Lakers have a lot of new faces coming together and they're already this good, and that's got to be really frightening for the rest of the league.
Well, I think you know, and the thing that keeps standing out to me is the defense and as good as, and there's a couple things.
I mean, I'm sure we'll jump into him as we go along here like I was going over this two blocks.
Lakers 11 to 3 over Utah today, 11 to 3, then steals.
Lakers 13 The Jazz three.
Fast break points.
The Lakers 32 Fast break points.
You've had 55 48 minutes.
You told them that they were the ones that were sick? Yeah, they look like they were.
They were tired coming up, so packed it back.
You know what I mean? This is both Boquillas playing three games at four nights, but the Lakers played yesterday, and so when you're watching when you're watching this when I was watching this game, I was thinking OK, especially the first quarter I'm like, Okay, I don't think it's gonna be a slow start.
Obviously, you can tell within 45 minutes, the Lakers that kind of have some jumping.
They had their legs under him.
But as we're going along, I mean, this was and and people who are making excuse I saw some people online making excuses that, well, the Utah is playing without my Connie.
Okay, Mike on they would have made a difference.
And it's taking like this.
Okay, like this is just straight dominance.
And and so what I'm watching this to me is just the defense, right? And we've talked about this a little bit before on the show is how good and how much of a ceiling that this team is getting closer to the ceiling in terms of playing defense.
Uh, to me, when they're locked in like this and they're engaged like this, they're almost making the game look easy.
And when I, when I would have saved by that, is even offensively with the way the ball's moving lately.
The last couple of games and I have LeBron's facilitating things, eighties doing on and the way they're kind of collapsing and they're willing to get the team's just aren't.
I mean, Dallas was on fire.
They also started.
Think 40 somewhat threes against the Lakers that day.
But for you, So you already ate something like that? Yeah, I'd like that.
But, you know, you're watching this, and you're like, this is a clinic, and and this was supposed to be like, Oh, before this.
I'm not even yesterday.
I'm saying, looking at this game, like, two weeks ago, I was sitting here thinking who that might be a tough one, going into Utah on a back to back.
And these guys made it look like they were playing against a J B squad tonight.
Yeah, I really did.
It looked like the high school.
It looked like the high schoolers against eighth graders or something like that.
It was ridiculous how good the Lakers looked in this game and look, I mean, yet we can't forget that just two games ago, they got their butts kicked by by the Mavericks.
So it's not like this team is infallible.
They're not perfect or anything like that.
But, I mean, we we talked about this jazz we talked about are the Lakers going to respond to losing to the Mavericks? Is this gonna be kind of the kick in the ass that they need in order to take things to the next level? And so far, it appears the answer's yes.
Their defense locked down the Nuggets last night and then they should be tired. They should be exhausted.
They should be obviously sick.
All of these things, that should have been a really difficult game, and they breathe through it.
You know what right is beginning of the game.
The Jazz hit a few threes in a row and I went, Oh, Utah's hitting their threes that as the quarter went along, I went, Wait, Utah, stating that the reason the Lakers are still up.
That's a really good sign when the Jazz are making threes and the Lakers are still up because that's kind of been their Achilles heel so far.
Uh, this is just I mean, this was under dominance, and it just shows you how good this team really can be, and they've done it and again doing it on back to back nights.
I just think it validates what we were kind of thinking, but we were scared to confirm that the Lakers are, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna write up the Clippers yet, obviously, but I mean, I'm saying the Lakers and Clippers are head and shoulders above the rest of the Western Conference Eastern Conference.
Completely different story that's gonna shake out the way it shakes out between Milwaukee Toronto.
I still think Billy will have something to say about that you used as well.
But when I'm looking at the West and it's not that the teams like Denver, Utah, Houston, you know these teams are still good, but they're not at the same level that the Lakers are out right now.
And it's like we were scared after the Dallas game that we were, you know, kind of looking at it like Okay, losing, losing to our winning team.
The Lakers were three and three after that game.
Well, how are they gonna respond against Denver and Utah? Way got the answer that they are.
They're one of the top three top to may be the best team in the league.
I don't think that's a stretch to say at this point where it might have been to say that their head and shoulders above everybody else in the West.
I think a week later.
Right now, I don't I don't think it is.
What about you? Yeah, Based on what we're seeing right now, I think there's no denying that they are better than everybody else in the West, except for maybe the Clippers.
I think the Clippers are right there on that level, but this team is playing so well and I loved that.
They got they got punched by the Dallas Mavericks as they went.
Okay, let's go to work and they rolled up their sleeves.
They went and ran off to wins against some pretty good teams.
They get Portland on Friday night.
Remember, heading into this? I said, if they win two out of three, I'll be ecstatic.
They're two for two.
Yeah, they rode that. That's incredible.
Just to jump into some stats here.
Anthony Davis, nine of 11 9 of 11 shooting from Anthony Davis, Lakers shot 51% from the field.
Six boards, one assist, one steal, three blocks, 26 points.
LeBron James, 20 points, is basically playing quarterback for most most of the game.
12 assists had some touchdown passes to continuous Caldwell.
Pope on backdoor cuts, which had to be driving jazz coach Quin Steiner.
Absolutely crazy because the Lakers made their defense look ridiculous.
Uh, 14 for K c p r guy, our guy KCP our favorite.
I've been saying it since the season started, how important KCP is and how wonderful the player is.
And everybody should have patients.
Not just that he's playing.
He's playing really well.
And you know what? Your boy Rondo, man.
14 points, 12 dimes.
Nine Board a triple double.
Yeah, you know what way? And this is another talking point we've had on the show is okay.
You beat the teams you were supposed to be. You actually killed.
The teams were supposed to be, you know, the 14 ano against teams with losing records.
But in the games that they had lost in all three games that they had lost previous to this, they're not pro.
Previous to this lot of previous to that loss to the maps, it was the bench and we were looking to bench saying, Man, they got to get some consistent output from it doesn't have to be one guy but just a bunch of different guys off the bench and the last couple of games.
All those guys have delivered like, who's I know.
I mean, I don't think he was great in the first half.
You look much better in the second half, especially late with those blocks that he was getting their 13 points.
Like I mentioned 14 Ferrando, Dwight chipped in seven.
This is what you want to see from these guys.
Alex Caruso had five.
This is what you want to see from these guys because this is what makes the Lakers that much better when their benches willing because we've seen in their other losses that it was 80 and LeBron combined for 55 to 60% of the team's points.
And when they're getting production like this from the bench, this is a hard team to beat.
This could be a really, really difficult team to beat.
Some people are commenting here, managing that somewhere.
Audio's off a little bit, something with with my Mike, Maybe hopefully I just played with Level's a little bit, so hopefully that fixed there they can they can let us know, but look, you know when this team is is able to perform at this level.
You got the role players chipping in like we're saying That's where suddenly they become unbeatable just about.
I mean, look, if you're getting almost a triple double out of Rondo, who has been tremendous and his outside shooting has been, has been great, then you're going to be almost unstoppable and that's that's where this team can get to.
We've been talking about this.
We talked about how there's another level still this team can get to.
I think we saw glimpses of it tonight.
Not everybody had a perfect game, but this really was.
It was one of those games where there was just energy.
These teams, these players, all came together and it's exciting for what they could.
They could be in the future here.
Well, that's the thing people were, you know we would sing in the beginning of the season.
Even when the team was rolling them, they were sitting at nine and one and all this stuff.
We're like they have another gear, they could hit another level and we're not harping on the fact that they're bad. They're poor.
They're not gonna be in the championship contention were saying, if this team can figure out small little things like the like, the defensive rotations as they started to slow down a little bit there, like getting bench production, like getting a little bit better three point shooting and especially some some three point shooting from the bench that they're gonna be that much scarier.
And I don't know how long this is going to last.
I'm hoping we see him for another 60 games, but a TTE this point right now, it's like, How hard is it? Who do you have against this team that that can stack up against other than the Clippers and maybe the Bucks right now in the East? Yeah, absolutely.
There's nobody that can really stand up to these Lakers if they're playing at this level.
By the way, I've got a few questions.
You're one person saying forever.
You're wearing the same shirt as yesterday, man.
So there was a comment a few days ago that the reason why the Lakers lost of the Mavs is because I didn't wear the L A Bron shirt before that game, and so I just now I've just taken wearing it out of superstition.
I mentioned on that one that, you know, I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little bit su****ious, just like Michael Scott.
And apparently other people are saying that I sound like Robocop.
Some people have said Darth Vader, or like, I sound like a robot.
There was just You're not hearing this, are you? So something is kind of messed up there, but I'll take it to me.
That probably sounds like an improvement.
I don't have you, Whiting.
And why? I shall have you winding it.
At least the people watching it don't have to listen to it right now.
He s if you were that sure to get next game.
I'm glad we don't do this in person, so I don't just know.
Sit next to you spell that stuff.
So Okay, like I'm running in this thing or anything like that.
I'm not like I don't like it up here and then go run a mile or something like that.
Yes, that's that's still valid.
Um, let me see if I can play with this a little bit more on fixed.
Just we talked a little bit about Kyle Kuzma.
Uh, still started.
It seemed like the Lakers were trying to get him going at the end of the game there.
What were your thoughts on what was going on there? I just think it's a little mental mistakes that that Cruz is making.
And with this team, you look at the players around Empty Davis and LeBron James, right? You got Danny Green.
Patient player, continuous.
Caldwell Pope patient player um, Alex Caruso will sit in the corner and wait.
He doesn't need the ball, whereas for a guy like Kyle Kuzma he is trying to force things, and he's trying to come to the ball right away.
And he said he started a soon as he gets in his hand. He's trying to make things happen.
So I think with me, that's what I'm looking at.
What Cooze? Until he learns how to stop forcing things, forcing bad three's forcing driving when it may be a better opportunity to catch the ball right away, make a pass and then cut, I think a soon as he stops kind of doing that and just saying All right, let the game come to me and let me feed off the guys that I'm around because he was not ah, guy who can control the offense.
That's Rajon Rondo is all but the second unit.
But when he's getting that run with a D and LeBron, stop forcing things, let it comes in.
I still I Like I said, I'm not gonna say to your heart one on who is yet.
But if this is still an issue that we're seeing at the end of December into January, then it's going to be time to be a cause for concern that okay, maybe this is just what? Who's my? It's well, we did see before the game, the report came out that he he indeed is one of the guys that's been been dealing with illness, that he's been sick and that he was the him and 80 were the two that were the most sick out of anybody and people responding to be saying say, Oh, well, it didn't seem to affect Anthony Davis.
You know, being sick affects people differently, right? I mean, it just it just it does.
That's the way it goes, You know, when my wife gets sick, when my daughter gets sick, they really get sick.
I tend to bounce back pretty quickly.
Just kind of depends on each person.
So it look, Kyle Kuzma, Uh, I'm I'm willing to write this offense.
It Look, this could be an eldest thing.
This could be a comfort thing where he's just not quite getting used to the offense just yet.
Hit some big shots and being buzzer beaters at the end of the first, the end of the second as well.
I think I think we saw some progress, But you're right.
I mean, I think we kind of need to give them through the end of the month and then see where things are at.
Yeah, well, you would you look at I obviously you're not going to get value for him based up in salary, But is that something that again, I'm just saying hypothetically right now, it's the struggles continue into January.
Would you look at maybe seeing what your options are? Four clues to to see if you can.
If you could do that or you just say now he's on the team and he's gonna be here for the rest of the season.
At least in a long time.
I mean, look, I think that I think that Vogel and by the way, guys, I just tried something on here with my audio.
I tried reinstalling the mic, so let me know if that fixed it.
If it didn't, then, uh, I guess we just have I'll just be a robot voice for the show.
But look, it's the kind of thing where up they said it's mixed.
Yes, success stay the same time. I'm a little bit disappointed.
I like robot boys that they sound pretty ***y over there.
Hey, like, that's probably a better, better, better voice for me, anyway.
But no, I think that look, if Cosmo still struggling and if they get the right offer at the trade deadline, Yeah, I think the Lakers would consider moving.
Who's my don't think, But I think I would say that of anybody that's not named LeBron James or Anthony Davis.
Look, if there's a move out there that they could make, that's gonna make it more likely that the win a championship this year, I think they make it.
But again, they like Cosmo a lot.
They hung on to him for a reason they made sure that he wasn't in the Anthony Davis trade for a reason.
And so I don't think they're ready to, you know, throw up their hands and say, Oh, well, Kokou is just not gonna work.
It's way, way, way too early for that.
I mean, I I'm with your 200.
Remember this happened what? After you first come back from the injury back in October and we were saying, No, you don't give it some time, you know, it's a little bit patient.
And then he had that running games I believe was Chicago Dallas.
And after I got the other one where he had, like, you know, close to 20.
24 around there, we're thinking Okay, you know, he finally got his legs back and he's okay.
And then he went through a stent where he struggled again.
And now, you know, again we could give the benefit of the doubt and say, And if the Lakers have lost the last three games, people would be ****ed.
That kind of cool.
We're gonna give him the benefit of the doubt because because they've won and yeah, okay, he's doing with the illness.
But, yeah, it is a cause for concern because we were all looking at him coming into the season, and especially when Boogie went down.
We're looking at this thing.
He's the third most important player on that team.
And if you look at it, if he can get it rolling, the way he's playing right now is he's like the 78 best 1200 team, like just his stats and its performance.
But if he can get it rolling, I still think that elevates the Lakers to another level.
And that is a scary part for the rest of the MBA.
Is that right now Kyle Kuzma has been wildly inconsistent, whereas we're looking at him as a guy who's gonna come in and score 15 and 16 a game off the bench every night.
And he hasn't been able to do that yet.
Yeah, you know what? Jazz? That's it.
That's a great way to look at it that I hadn't thought of yet.
So the Lakers just beat the Denver Nuggets in Utah Jazz, two of the supposedly top teams in the Western Conference, back to back on the road with Kyle Kuzma struggling and players sick like that's That's a little bit ridiculous that that is scary when you think of Oh my gosh, What if Kyle Koosman does get rolling? What if he might up? What if he winds up getting even better? What if he winds up becoming the guy that we thought he was going to be? Then? How good can this Lakers Team B? What happens when things really start clicking? I threw it out on Twitter.
I said, the offense starting to figure things out.
It's like Happy Gilmore learning how to putt like they don't have a weakness anymore.
If the offense figures it out right because their defense is already so good, this is, Ah, cash as as good as they've been.
It's so exciting to think about that.
This is how far along they are already.
You know, whatever 22 games into the season? Yep, Ed, how much room they started to grow.
This isn't their ceiling, and that's the crazy part.
Yeah, that's what that's what we've been talking about all year.
I mean, it's hard to complain about it.
Even who sent that? 19 and three.
You know what I mean? Like, what can you say is going wrong? Not not much has gone wrong for the Lakers.
Just some of the things that you look at that.
Okay, come time for May June because I still think they're head and shoulders above anybody who's gonna be a 78 seed in the West.
You know what I mean? Now that we know the lawyer isn't gonna have Steph Curry most like he's going to shut down for the season, Clay Thompson probably won't come back.
You know those guys, it's like, Okay, well, who else are they gonna play the 7 18 with Sacramento? You know what I mean? Like the Lakers going to kill him.
But if you look at if you look at May June time, you're looking at it like Okay, what can this team do to be able to say? All right, we're in the final four teams there.
How can we make sure that we separate ourselves from them? This is no longer about the Lakers being a top three or four team in the West.
Now we're looking at the Lakers like you guys are the one of the championship favors.
It's not be topped up.
And so if there's a way that they can even get better than that, that the only place I'm looking at right now is is Kyle Kuzma and I've said this before and I'll say it again.
Despite the fact that the benches played really well the last couple of games, we saw how ugly they could play against Dallas as well last Sunday.
So, you know, we're looking.
I'm looking at it and saying, If Koosman can get rolling, start being a consistent 15 16 point a game guy and they could get one of, um, original Rhonda, one of Dwight Howard.
Want Alex Caruso Wanna Troy Daniels to chip in with 9 12 points at night? This team is going to be very, very hard to be.
And I don't see how this team can't win 65 to 70 games.
They're gonna win 70 games 65 to 70 six.
Hey, look, I get it.
I still even though they're they're, what, 19 and three at this point, that's still something.
You think 65 out of 65 out of the room that they can't go 45 14 the rest of the way.
I mean, they certainly can it certainly positive.
I just still feel like it's some point.
You're gonna have to start looking at load management.
You're gonna have to start started getting some guys.
I just think it's some point that's coming.
You know, they're not gonna win.
They're not gonna win 19 out of every out of every 22 games throughout the entire season.
I just don't think that's what's going to happen.
But they have been really, really good, and I think that a lot of that I think some losses.
They're going to come just in their own self preservation because they can play at that level every single night.
I don't think you want them to look.
The Warriors set the record for most wins in a season of what happened.
They got into the playoffs on fumes and they wound up not win a championship because they're burnt out by the end of it.
So I don't think you even want them to a good start for a regular season record.
The good news The good news for the Lakers is if it's the Lakers and Clippers in the top two seeds.
They're gonna be playing at home every game on the Siri's anyways, when they play the Clippers.
So they could stick with that.
But I'll make you all but your six pack on this.
What do you think? We'll set the over under at 62 a half? 63 a half and I'll take the over.
What do you want? Yeah, that's fine with me.
I'll take the under on that.
We'll take 62 62 a half that way.
So tasty tour or less than than I would Maybe that's what that means.
I kinda have to pull for them to lose some games.
That's all right. I will be.
Happily, I would have liked by your ex.
Expect six pack today.
I don't want but like Dr Petter, I want some good Canadian beer, which is the way it should be.
The ****** pit Stop.
You guys drink down here, Jazz Now.
Now those are fighting words.
We're gonna We're gonna start an international incident right here.
Let's do it, baby.
A Helping of Canadian beer if you have any day.
So let's let's talk a little bit about some of these, uh, these questions that are coming in here.
Well, well, I try to figure out exactly what a USB Canada war is gonna look like it's gonna be.
It's gonna be whole Kogan versus Brett Hart.
I'm pretty sure we're gonna Chris Master's gonna come in here and chime in on that with hey, uh, everybody is fired up about this.
Obviously, some people are saying 60 and 22 That's what they're gonna they're gonna do.
People are laughing at your claim of 70.
Ah, lot of people that were saying keep Kuzma Uh oh.
And Eric McGill says from YouTube Says Christmas will tell the tale if we are better than the Clippers.
What do you think about that? Is that the benchmark at this point, or is it or is it the Bucks game coming up before that? What game are you really looking at that you think this is the measuring stick? I would say the two out of those three games that go on that stretch where they go at Malaki home, Denver home versus the Clippers on on Christmas again.
I'm not gonna sit here and write out the Nuggets.
You have to, Ah, something that they are going to improve and they can get better at the Utah will get better.
I still don't think even at their best versus the lakersbest think they stand a chance any of those two teams in a seven game series.
But yeah, I think those of the games you're looking forward to at this point and you got Milwaukee, you're gonna play twice right there once and then at home ones, the Clippers.
You're still going to see a few times and then you go through it. I just don't see.
Um I don't see anything that is gonna really make the other games that meaningful, but I would probably lean towards the Clippers.
I don't think that's what everybody at this point wants to see.
You know, if you get to the Finals, it's either gonna be Milwaukee, uh, Philly or Toronto in Toronto.
Raptors have been a huge surprise, you know, playing without playing the way they are without my letter.
But to me, it's the Clippers game, and I I think the way that things went on Game one and obviously being in the hallway, Siri's and everybody kind of having the extra emotions involved, you're gonna have 95% Lakers fans and the 5% of people here from the Clippers in l.
A go in for the Clippers.
But that, to me, is the bigger one.
What about you? I think you're being generous without 5%.
They're just I think there's there's about 1000 of them Clippers fans, probably.
But, you know, I I agree with you.
I think people will look at the Clippers game as the as the bigger measuring stick.
But I can't write off that Milwaukee game.
I think that's a big game as well.
But again, seeing what the Lakers did tonight, it's pretty tough to Ah, it's pretty tough to say that they aren't It may be the best team in the league, certainly one of the best teams, like even if they lose to Milwaukee and they lose to the Clippers yet that's gonna create a lot of questions.
But it's not gonna make me believe that they suddenly aren't a good team or anything like that, because there's so much that could happen within a single game that it could just get a bit noisy when you're trying to evaluate things.
Yeah, you gotta look at that, too.
I mean, that's the walking games at the end of a five game trip.
They play, you know, December 11th they start that trip in Orlando the 19th there at Milwaukee's that maybe it might be tough, you know, whatever.
It could be an ugly one for the Lakers to appear at the end of the trip.
Playing a team as good as Milwaukee is.
Yeah, I mean, that Clippers game and they're gonna have you know they're gonna play one game in between the 19th in the 25th at Denver game that I mentioned on.
So for me, I just think the energy will be amped up.
Everybody's gonna be ready and I'm looking for I'm looking forward to that as well, you know, Like I said, and I don't think it's too early to say it right now, but yeah, this is going to the West is going to come down to Lakers Clippers.
And unless one of these teams goes on a crazy run, I just don't see any other.
Their team's having enough to be able to compete with these two going into, uh, going into the playoffs.
Yeah, I agree with you there.
I think that weaken at this point.
Make that statement.
But again, we'll see what they were dressed in Syria.
There's still a lot that can go on a couple of things that I want to get you from this game.
And first of all, I don't know how we haven't talked about this yet.
Dwight Howard made a three Jazz.
I mean, it's the 2nd 1 has taken the season.
He took one against Denver to he knocked it in.
That was impressive.
He played great second, good game and roadways of kind of two weeks where he just kind of looked off, and now it's like he's back and he's back to playing incredibly well.
He was impressive out there.
Yeah, he's been way talked about this before, you know, before, when he had that kind of run in the preseason, that ****, this is the Dwight we're going to get.
You know, this is this is a huge pickup for Rob Blink and the entire franchise, really, that they made the choice to go with him over guys like Joe keep no over guys like, uh, marching Gortat.
And you look at what he's bringing.
It's just the energy.
And I actually like the fact that I know we have talked about this earlier in the season after he had a couple of big games that okay, Do you sway start Dwight ST started late.
Are starting to deal.
What do you want to go with you? And I think we both were like, No, we like the fact that they're starting to feel McGee and bringing Dwight off the bench because he doesn't add an element of he's not great in terms.
You can't give him the ball now anymore and say, Hey, get on the way And Dwight, go do your thing Exited again his points of lobs and put backs.
But it just help.
The fact that we crash his offensive rebounds, changes shots defensively.
I just love what he's brought to the team so far.
He's only doing it in, like, what, 2025 minutes a game? So, uh, yeah, I mean, he's, you know, he's not getting that much run.
So I don't know what that something Frank Vogel will look at going forward.
But would you mess with that at all? Like try and say, get more minutes over JaVale or just stick with the Big Man rotation as it is? No, I think it's the same answer as that G lead question that we got the other night last night about about onto Taku Po and about tailing Horton, Tucker and all those players.
Maybe you would look that way if the Lakers were 11 and 11 or whatever.
Right? Maybe you have to switch some things up, but they're not.
They're winning, so there's There's no reason to switch anything at this point, you just don't.
He's averaging 19.
9 minutes per game right now, so basically 20 minutes per game put up seven points.
Nine boards, three blocks.
Diet was over four from the free throw line, so he missed all four free throws, but he hit his only three, so so well, given that and also there was a play, the Lakers actually forced a 24 2nd violation on it.
It was in the fourth quarter, the Jazz.
We're kind of trying to do what they could muster come back.
And he locked up Bogdanovich on the perimeter like Dwight Howard was out five feet beyond the three point line down.
Yeah, it was impressive.
I thought that was just as impressive as that three point shot that you've got a center his size doing that, locking up a perimeter bass player, that was that was tremendous.
He has been playing in a really high level, and I want to throw one other thing.
It suggests I want to talk about sportsmanship a little bit.
And this thing, this questionnaire, because this was something that I watched the Utah feed, and this was something that the Utah Jazz announcers brought up.
They were, and they were not happy.
They were not pleased at all, and they were upset because I don't know if you saw it, But LeBron James took off his shoes, saw that came to a fan, and then he was kind of on the floor celebrating at one point.
So this is with the Utah announcers.
I'm quoting them here.
They said, That's some disrespect there, clowning right now.
If you're the jazz, you have to watch that and put it in your head for the next time you play.
You don't come into someone else's building and just wow, they they couldn't believe that the Lakers bench was so fired up and demonstrative to the point where they were offended by the Lakers bench and what was going on.
What's your take on that? Are they Are they off base? Is there? Should the Lakers have been more reserved with What are your thoughts on that whole situation? No way to stop him from getting to getting your ass kicked that if you don't want to see that stuff happening, stop it from stopping from you.
You're getting dominated like that.
I don't I don't take any offense that could.
I think it's ridiculous that announcers are are saying this kind of stuff, what's offensive and what isn't.
I'm sure there's games or Utah's blowing out the other team that the guys on the bench doing fun dump stuff too.
So I I just find that kind of stuff ridiculous.
I think the Lakers are going to get, um, a little bit more flak for that kind of stuff because they are the liquor's.
But the Jazz announces, You need to shut the hell up and tell the guys on the team Thio not allow themselves to get Paris the way that it tonight, this stuff would happen.
Well, that that's just said too, right? I mean, like that.
The building had a bunch of Lakers fans in, and it could be annoying for the home announcers for the home fans.
All that, because Lakers fans travel well and Lakers fans are all over the place.
So I'm sure that frustration is probably part of the equation here.
But just that they were bringing up the Lakers bench in the way they were celebrating and all that kind of stuff.
You know, I think there is such a thing as over celebrating, and there is kind of a unwritten law in sports that you you don't push things too far, right? I mean, there's a reason why guys get a technical foul if they don't go on somebody and knock a guy down and then go and stand over him, write it and make you think that that's the problem.
They shouldn't that's great.
I mean, in baseball, right? If you're stealing when Europe.
When Europe 12 runs like that's that's frowned about, you're going to get thrown out, right? Somebody's gonna gonna hit you with the ball right next time when you're batters is up.
There is that kind of unwritten code.
But that said, I don't think the Lakers crossed any lines here right there in the second night of a back to back there playing probably that one of their one of, if not their best games of the season.
They're going to be excited.
They're going to be fired up.
They're going to have that natural emotion.
I don't think you can expect them just to sit there and be quiet just because they're in Utah.
So I I don't feel like I think there is a line somewhere, but I don't think the line was crossed here tonight by the Lakers.
No, it's not like they were.
They were getting the Jazz players face and pointing out that been laughing at them.
None of that stuff was they were celebrating to celebrate with his teeth.
Babe did, and for them to take that kind of stuff personally, so dumb.
I mean, that's what kind of makes the N B A fund is the fact that the players are so free and there, and they have personalities and you get to know them.
Whereas you look at kind of baseball and hockey, you were just like, you know, everything is done by the book and and by the rules and that people don't wanna watch out stuff.
And what was that? That college game? I think it was against Kansas, where they were down like 50 and the guy they were dribbling out the clock and the guy came and stole it from behind and went down to Duncan and started talking about that stuff is foolish.
Okay, I don't You guys remember the highlight I'm talking about That is what LeBron's duties encouraging his teammates.
He's having a good time with the fact that they came out one.
A second game of it was supposed to be a very tough back to back.
They're having a good time.
I think that the fun police needs to stop Sometimes when it comes to the n b A and just let these guys be.
There's nothing disrespectful about that. Nothing wrong with it.
I think there were there were public irritated, agitated with how the game was going loco.
You better put this in your memory bank for next game.
It's like whatever to deal with it.
Yeah, I agree on added element to these anger.
Stein from YouTube, just mentioned.
I should have mentioned this before, that LeBron gave his shoes to a kid in the crowd.
Like what about that? Wasn't taking his shoes off as a sign of like, Look at this.
You have to go back in.
There were like, four minutes left.
He wasn't doing it as like, I don't even have to go back into the game. This thing's over.
Let me just take off my shoes and relaxed.
He was giving them to a kid, and clearly he wasn't going back in.
The Lakers were up by 20 with 10 minutes to play, so, yeah, it wasn't.
And I love the way you put it.
Just that it wasn't like they were pointing fingers in the faces of the Jazz and doing things like that to try Thio rub it in or anything like that.
They were cheering for their own teammates, not trying to make the Utah team feel bad or anything.
So I understand frustration towards the Lakers and towards Lakers fans and everything from jazz announcers, people who are looking at it from that perspective.
But I don't feel like and again, maybe I'm biased.
But I don't feel like the Lakers did anything that would warrant criticizing them or being offended by what they what they did.
Well, you are biased.
Yes, and you were in it.
And even if you weren't, you would absolutely be right for the fact that there was nothing wrong with what LeBron James, didn't it? Yeah, 100%.
And I don't think so.
I think there was a lot of people saying they are salty.
Here's a good one.
Cosmic from YouTube Says we came for jazz and gave them the blues.
Yeah, There you go.
Like like, uh, let's see.
Gloria Pedro, 98 from YouTube.
Says Trevor, Do you think the Lakers defense is scarier than the Clippers? Defense? What? You think you are this guy? I'm gonna say yes, but what do you think? In a weird way.
And I hope people understand how I'm saying this.
I think the quarters have better individual on ball defenders.
When I'm talking about guys like Patrick Beverley Kawai lender, when he's fully healthy and Paul George, I think as a team, the Lakers are have a better defense and and there's there.
Those are two different things that I don't know.
People understand it, but you're on the perimeter.
Certain guys ain't gonna get beat.
You're not gonna get beat Middle.
That's what you do with the goal is in basketball.
Don't let him beat you to the middle of the floor.
You could give up the baseline, hope that your help comes over and is able to slide over and prevent the penetration, whereas with with the Lakers, it's everybody's buying into the system.
So I would say it's almost a toss up.
If you're looking at as a teammate, I would definitely see the Lakers have a better defense overall.
Yeah, especially if Avery Bradley comes back healthy because he was such a big part of that.
We talked about this last night that with between Bradley and Crusoe, those air to top 10 players in terms of defensive rating, Patrick Beverley said about 30.
So I think his reputation is a little bit bigger than what he actually produces on the floor.
He's still a good defensive player.
Don't get me wrong, and in any given game he could lock people down, right? I don't think he's getting a little bit older, and I don't think he could do it consistently every single night.
But you go up against him in the playoffs, you're gonna be getting the very best out of him, so don't get me wrong.
I'm not criticizing Patrick Beverley defensive ability or anything like that, But you're right.
I think it's very, very different.
It's you've got.
The Clippers are excellent on the perimeter.
The Lakers are a great defensive team on the interior, which we knew that coming in.
But your point about it.
Being a team defense versus individual defenders is a good one, because we see that on the other end all the time, right? I mean, look, the Utah Jazz this season, their offense was not good, especially not tonight.
It was terrible, okay, but they didn't have that many great individual offensive players, but they were a good offensive team.
They were very good offensive team because they all worked well together.
They can ping the ball around on the perimeter.
They could make things happen.
They were better as a team than they were individually.
And that's what the Lakers are on defense right now, because they've gotten very good at reading where to funnel players and what to do it.
And part of that is just Anthony Davis is ridiculously good.
He blocked a shot from out of bounds, for crying out loud.
But, yeah, look this, this Lakers team together when they're all really rotating.
I'm still worried about the three point defense a little bit, but when they're all really playing together, they are.
I think they are the more impactful defense.
But it's awfully close.
Oh, for sure, Yeah, I mean, I think that's a toss up to I'm just saying in the difference between I can't really say, but I would just say as a team, I think the Lakers just systematically what they have going for him right now, and that's on a disrespected Doc Rivers or anything like that.
I'm not saying going that way, but I just think I like what they What they do is a team, which is Hey, let's funnel everybody into our big man and let Anthony Davis, JaVale McGee, Dwight Howard change any shot anybody has when they're penetrating and we'll live and die.
It's if people want to kill us on the outside, then go ahead and let them do it.
Whereas the Clippers are more like we're gonna lock you down on the outside.
But they don't really have a great shot blockers inside.
It's kind of if we want to look at it this way, it's it's weird because the Lakers are seeing is like the old school franchise and the Clippers are trying to be the new guy coming in.
But the way the Lakers air structured, it's almost old school versus new school.
In terms of its not, say, the Lakers aren't incorporating the new N B a style or anything, because they definitely are.
But just the focus on the interior having the size advantage, doing all the running to Biggs out there.
At the same time, the Lakers play Maur of a similar style to board the old school teams and then the Clippers, don't they? They don't have that interior presence, so it's it's an interesting kind of division there as well.
Well, you know, it's funny you're saying that because I mean, look, look, man, I mean, look at look at what we saw with Golden State, right? When When they came.
And I think you started to see a little bit of a shift in 20 years.
2014 when the Spurs won to beat Miami and LeBron and it was kind of all ball movement, cutting and spacing.
And the Spurs won Warriors offense been the reputation as a defensive team.
And everybody had to go.
Well, wait this year and they want this thing because they were so good.
On the offensive end, everything shifted and you look and you look at the way they were said sharing the ball and everybody was getting done together.
And then you look at you, Look at the warriors.
I mean, they obviously took that to another level, right? They took that to outer space in terms of what they're what they're able to do it.
That that was just with the sheer talent that they had.
But now you look at it in the Lakers, probably looking to like, Okay, we have Anthony Davis in the post on offense, right? Who? Who's gonna be able to match up with him? Down, look, And so you have to look at where you're straight.
The Lakers aren't aren't gonna be the best fast break team.
They're not gonna kill you in terms of scoring points in transition.
They're methodical and what they do.
They slow the game down there playing to their strengths.
And right now their strength is having size mixed up with athleticism and gets to be a hard match up for other teams to play against.
It definitely is.
In fact, look, you look at the way the Clippers handle them in the first game of the season.
Their game plan was to make sure they were getting open looks from three, because that can somewhat mitigate the Lakers, UH, the Lakers ability to dominate inside.
And you sent extra players to the boards to try to keep the Lakers from having a big rebounding advantage.
If you could somehow mitigate the Lakers rebounding advantage, then you have a decent shot and winning the game.
But like we've seen, the Lakers have been getting better and better and better at exploiting those advantages when they didn't quite do that in Game one.
So it's gonna be a really interesting, dynamic win.
If and when the Lakers do meet up with the Clippers in the playoffs, it's gonna be It's gonna be a lot of fun to watch, because this is it's not just two teams, you know, the battle for L.
A and all that. It's very much Two contrasting styles.
Yeah, it is, man.
And that's what that's gonna be the That's what I'm saying.
It as a basketball fan, I'm just interested in and seeing how the teams are gonna match up.
And I'd love to see that.
A seven game series for sure? Yeah, yeah, definitely would.
I'd love to see it as long as the Lakers win it, because we'll never have the innovative if they don't know.
The 3% of Los Angeles County that are cheering for the Clippers won't shut up about it. That problems.
So let's talk about the next game coming up Friday.
Lakers take on the Portland Trailblazers.
They're going to be in Portland, so weird City just is they like that there were there, but in Portland has been a tough place to play for the Lakers.
Historically, what are your thoughts on on that matchup? You've got two very good guard.
They're in demand.
Lillard and C J.
McCollum what the Lakers look to dio rolling in tow into Portland to deal with the Blazers.
Honestly, I just think they gotta stick to stick to what they're doing, and I don't think the Lakers are.
The Blazers have a lot coming off the bench, and so I want the Lakers to be able to attack, try and try and get some of the starters into foul trouble.
Whether that's Ah Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, Carmelo Anthony Whiteside, whoever it is that they can attack, get him in foul trouble in tow and test the depth of the Blazers.
And see if those guys coming off the bench you could build a hang with with some of the big boys on the Lakers.
And and I think that they're able to do that again.
I'm going to see this almost every game.
The Lakers should win.
What about, you know? Yeah, I mean, like, the Blazers are eight and 13 on the season.
They did get a nice boost from Carmelo Anthony, which bike out? Just can you imagine how many Carmelo Anthony comments were going to get if if Melo gets, goes out and has a good game against the Lakers, I'm calling in sick on Friday.
That Z I'm just I'm just gonna put up like it's just gonna be an M I a graphic underside of the screen if it has a good game because that's all we're gonna be dealing with this Carmelo Anthony comments.
But I think this is a game they should win, which is what we'd say about most games.
But again, the Blazers, like most teams of the West, see the Lakers as their big rival.
They get fired up.
The fans there get all excited about playing the Lakers.
So there's going to be a home court advantage there.
Absolutely, that that happened.
So the Lakers just need to be ready for a fight.
But if they play like they did tonight, if they play like they did last night, this will be a win.
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
And then I don't see.
I don't see a reason why.
Why wouldn't be? And that's where that's where looking at It's almost like we're gonna go through 82 games.
And now that I mentioned in Milwaukee one end of a five game trip, Okay, you can say you expect the Bucks to win there, but I would say out of what they played 22 already of the next 60 games, 56 57 times that the Lakers play as good as it can.
They should win, which is something you weren't saying last year.
So yeah, I think that will make that.
That's what makes this season that went better than last year.
You regretting the Anthony Davis trade? Yeah, completely, of course.
And so I'm so glad that they did that.
We talked about a lot last year.
Like if they got to give up those guys they gotta give, you gotta throw coups in there to get Anthony Davis, You doing our feet, So I mean, we've seen that they obviously blank I had a plan, and and maybe Magic Johnson was the reason why it wasn't getting done.
So I was just I was glad to see Glad to see that they bounced back and it makes the game more fun.
It makes her shows more fun that I'm sure it makes it more fun for the fans as well.
Oh, yeah, I I love talking.
You know, I've always loved talking about the Lakers, obviously, but talking about it winning Lakers team, this is This is amazing.
Roberts, Kyle from Periscope Rondo is our best three point shooter.
Well, I think we need to let that one's thinkin.
Roger Rondo is the best three point shooter on the Los Angeles Lakers right now.
That's crazy, either.
What 48% is basically close to 50 and 32%.
I believe career free throws are three point shooter.
I don't know if he's gonna regress or not.
Maybe he didn't feel handy.
Maybe he's taking him when he's getting a matter.
No, but if he shouldn't like, I'm not gonna expect him to stay in 48% obviously.
But if you shooting somewhere closed between 38 40 that's a huge boon for the Lakers.
Yeah, I mean, look, the best three point shooter in the league last season.
I want to say it was Joe Harris, and I believe he was at 47 or 48%.
So if Rondo sticks where he's at right now, that means he is legitimately the best three point shooter in the league, which I don't think that's going to be the case, right.
I don't I don't buy that, Okay, I don't I'm not ready go that far.
But I think his three point shot has indeed improved.
And that was what we heard coming out of training camp.
So credit to him credit for what he's been doing.
It's been it's been really impressive that he's been knocking down threes at the rate he has, and hopefully that's something that'll stay.
If he sticks around 40 42% just wait.
Going to start covering him hasn't happened yet.
Defense is still kind of backing off of them a lot, but at some point something's gonna click and we're going to see defense's shift and start getting out on him, and that's gonna open up even more things on the inside when they do that.
Yeah, I'm just gonna say that, not even either way, you've talked about this quite a bit on the show not going this season, but last season is well, that Yeah, you're gonna have to live with some of the deficiencies that he brings defensively.
But if he's able to hit that three point shot, it opens up a whole new world for the Lakers on offense.
So now he's been consistent in hitting on.
If he keeps it up for another, you know, 10 15 games.
Yeah, team's gonna respect it more.
And that gives more room for guys like LeBron James.
Guys like Anton Davids do their thing when they're on offense.
Yep, which is Ah, great thing for the Lakers either way.
I mean, you're pretty much pick your poison.
And for undertaken hits three, you're either gonna let Rondo shoot it open three, which he's showing he can knock down.
Or you're gonna have to deal with LeBron James, Anthony Davis and whoever else having space tow, work, work with inside the paint.
And that's a scary prospect either way.
Yeah, all right, Jess, why don't we wrap things up here? Final thoughts before we head off to Friday's game against the Portland Trail Blazers.
This'll just this victory to meet sealed it.
Not gonna say I was questioning that they were championship contenders.
This seal that to me that they're a top two or three team in the league, You know what I mean? There's no questions about it and and the way they came over today and dominated and especially defensively and made it look easy, Man in Utah a lot.
Not a lot of teams have been able to do that.
Obviously saw, they haven't won in Utah. I believe in life.
Seven tries or whatever it was.
So the fact that we're able to do this, it just makes it that much more impressive.
What about you? Yeah, definitely.
I think this was the game that really made me go.
We knew they were good, but this is a whole nother level to go into Utah blowout.
A Jazz team that's that's been kind of desperate for some wins.
And on the heels of handling the Denver Nuggets, this tells us that they are indeed in a different tier.
And perhaps the Dallas Mavericks belong in that upper tier.
Maybe we should have been mentioning them because that is a good thing. Here.
Is that Is that you know, as much as people were pointing at the man's game, and now we see there's proof the Lakers aren't really that good.
I think it's more proof, the way of looking at things now that the Mavs just are very good and the letters are a very good team as well.
It still take the Lakers over the maps in a seven game series, but I think there's a separate here.
I think it's here here, and I think the Lakers are definitely in that upper tier.
And some of these other teams, like the Nuggets, like the Jazz, they just are not in that tear.
That's what we found out.
And ah, man, it's great.
It really is great to see a Lakers team that's playing at this level.
It's a lot of fun.
Teams of superstar is always win championships, man.
The Lakers have two of the best, so that's that's what separates them from teams like Utah and and Denver who have all stars, not not superstars.
So that's the way these guys are playing in.
The supporting cast has been the last few games.
It would be a hard, hard, hard thing for teams to do to be able to beat the Lakers night in night out 100%.
Definitely has great spot to end it on, guys.
Everybody who came in here thank you for for waiting through my robot voice that I apparently had to stay like they loved it.
I appreciate you guys hanging in there.
Thank you guys in the live chat for letting me know so I could get in there and try to fix it.
Appreciate all the questions you guys have been throwing out some wonderful comments when they're coming in from Facebook, Live from YouTube from periscope.
Wherever you're joining us from.
Appreciate all of the comments that you guys have had.
We will be back again Friday evening after the Lakers take on the Blazers.
I will definitely be here if Carmelo Anthony has a good game.
Apparently jazz will be going into hiding, so he he may or may not be be with us that night, but you can't appreciate everybody tuning in and joining us.
The support you guys have given to the show has been overwhelming, and we're very much humbled by it and do appreciate it.
You guys, I hope you have a great rest of the week.
Make sure you guys follow jazz on social media at Jazz King 21.
That's on Instagram and Twitter.
You can follow me on Twitter at Trevor Underscore Lane or on Instagram at Trevor Lane and B A and make sure you're following Lakers Nation at Lakers Nation on Twitter and Facebook at Lakers Nation.
Official on Instagram.
I hate that subscribe button on the Lakers nation YouTube channel.
Make sure you ring the bell, so you get notified every time we have a new video coming out.
That's it for today.
Had the Lakers nation dot com for more on the Lakers win over the Jazz till next time.