Welcome back to who We got nits Podcast Coming to You Live on the SportsCastr platform here on December 3rd 1 day ahead of the Brooklyn Nets taking on the Atlanta Hawks.
Coming off, obviously a disappointing loss.
They're unable to close out against the Miami Heat.
But as we mentioned following that broadcast, Inter wrap up Certainly still some positive takeaway from their team.
Played a competitive hard game and ultimately down the stretch, unable to get a couple of good looks to go down the offensive end and also unable to get some of those key stops on the other end of the floor against Butler.
But for now, what? We go ahead and take a look at just wanna highlight a couple of things here before we get into the game.
We see that's Kyrie.
Irving will not travel with the team to Atlanta or Charlotte and has yet to be cleared for contact.
We think pick up us, um, news and notes that he's been doing some light warmup drills, dribbling that kind of stuff, but nothing on the court with anyone, a SZ faras practices and getting on there with his teammates.
So Attn least two more games away for Kyrie Irving.
I don't know how long this time lines going to extend out, and as we highlighted last time, we'll touch on him again.
The upcoming schedule certainly points to a couple of difficult matchups for the Brooklyn Nets, where you'd liketo have Kyrie Irving back on the floor for you.
Additionally, just to give you update on Caris Levert he has shed the cast and is set to begin.
Ah, the rehab process.
We saw him, I think, on the sideline there for the Miami Heat matchup did have the cast removed.
Was a soft black bandage wrapped in and around the thumb area there.
So certainly nice to ah t see him moving along to that process.
I guess he's well, we highlight is the 10th was the last game that he had played for the Nets.
So we're coming up close to that four week mark.
They said 5 to 6 weeks, so you figure, get through this.
But again, if I was being probably cautious, I would say Don't expect him to be coming back until after the Christmas area timeline video, because you're still gonna have to go through that process make sure 100% healthy and everything else.
I know it was a thumb injury, but there's no reason to rush.
Um, at this current point on and they also was Ah, wow, this is just listed.
There is going all the way back from, ah, end of October about Kevin Durant.
No intention for him to play this year. Nobody thought he was.
If you're you know, if your true Nets fan, I don't think that we looked at that and said, This is gonna be a player reach with C this season.
Now the other thing we want to touch on was we've been going through this roster and kind of seeing what is going to happen in the continued absence of Kyrie Irving.
You take a look at players on the back end and in this second rotation, with Spencer Dinwiddie moving into that starting role, the uses Pinson, Shumpert's Nawab of the world, are the guys I need to pick up slack when Spencer Dinwiddie is in that starting unit.
And then, of course, you had Garrett Temple also moved up in his role with the absence of Caris Levert.
Now I don't know it on a high bar of expectation for someone like Iman Shumpert.
He's playing nine games for this team so far, 18.
He's giving you just under five points a game.
Had a couple of little spurts in some of these action, we've been able to hit someone's mid range jumpers.
Ah, rebound wise with hair under two almost giving it that was pince in there.
A little over 22 and 1/2 rebounds a game for Shumpert and then, ah, not giving anything wrong.
The assist column averaging about to steal a game as well and certainly predictable, pretty well, averaging a turnover.
So you know he is what he is quote unquote as we edge closer to Wilson Chandler coming back into this rotation as well and giving you yet another somewhat redundant player. Doug.
Nora and I talked about it on the we got next podcast posing this question about would you have rather had Ah, Carmelo Anthony seeing what he's doing? Uh, you know, now for the Portland Trail Blazers having some great success.
And while theoretically right now without Kyrie Irving and caress lover, yes, plugging in the guy that Carmelo, Carmelo Anthony be great because you just say, Get on the floor, do your thing, get some looks for you, helpyou dimly, that second unit and keep some balance.
But then when everyone is back and it's team is all healthy now you're talking about eating into shot opportunities for Caris Levert and then you're eating into shot opportunities for Kyrie Irving.
And then also, he isn't on the ball player.
This isn't a guy who is really in the whatever modern mold of the N b A.
Was that distributing? We're looking to facility, and I don't think you wanna have another on the bald guy like that in this rotation, While in the short term it may certainly seem like a nice pickup.
We go through this list and I want to get to a key player and highlight what he's done.
These last handful of games you talk about Theo Pinson and 11 games 15 minutes, giving you just five points were dive inside his numbers a little bit more here just to take a look and see how he's been over these last handful of games.
Obviously, you know, 89 games without Kyrie Irving so inside these numbers going back, you know, Sunday, he shot 50% from the field, gave you five points with an assistant, three rebounds.
We get a couple of games of the few games before that.
Doing a decent job right against Cleveland.
Gave you four assists in six points.
Again, these aren't barn burning stats, but it's enough.
Give you eight assists in that game, the first game against Boston. That loss.
And that's key because it meant that he was able to be a facilitator in that in spite of a losing effort that still something.
You want to see that second unit half someone who can make a little extra feeds and set this offense up.
So you still have continuity when the starters come off the floor and then in the Boston win.
Four rebounds, three assists had five points in that matchup.
So a little bit of consistency or they're over those handful of games, as he did see Ah, you know, nice uptick in nice balance and then it's really going back.
So looking pretty good there, one of the players that we've been having a hard time with, And Doug Nori is certainly not eager to see too much of, and that has been a player in Musa.
Now you go back to some of these other games when we talk about it right? You take a look at the New York Knicks game, where in 21 minutes only shot 33% from the field.
But he gave you three rebounds, three assists came away with five points.
Follow that up with the 23 minutes 33 shooting percentage.
Eight points giving you those what? Only one assist in there now and again, though three rebounds, it's a little positive lines.
Here's the issue, though, this last game against Miami, where he only played 12 minutes.
Biggest drop that we've seen for him and then we'll get into the player.
Why? I think you're seeing a drop for this, uh, for Musa in these matchups over those games going backwards.
Boston, Boston, Cleveland, New York.
Three turnovers, two turnovers, two turnovers to turn over.
So for a guy that's only getting 16 to 20 minutes in the game when you're committing that many turnovers, it's something you can't have in this second unit.
Given where they currently are.
You just need guys that are going to avoid mistakes, honestly, with the way the starting unit is playing.
And Doug went into this on our last podcast episode, one of the highest rated starting Hugo's starting four.
Because of the way rotations work, that sometimes the best effective way to get a true stat line on things that's been phenomenal, that starting unit all he needs to avoid mistakes.
That second unit tread water, one that started her off the floor and you're gonna have opportunity to Nitties toe win more games than not so.
Musa is a bit of a problem, and certainly I think if you really pick the brain of Kenny Atkinson, he would come out and tell, you know, I didn't plan on using music the way I have also didn't plan on having two of my starters be hurt this early in the season and missing time.
Now Musa is listed as useless as a shooting guard.
So who's been seeing an uptick in minutes? A guy like David? No mama.
We dive inside of his numbers and see, but after playing from going, we go back here, he plea only back on the 14th 18 and 22nd.
Denver, Indiana and Sacramento play just four minutes six minutes, three minutes.
Last two games didn't play in the wind against Boston, but played on the 27th against in Boston against the Celtics and then played against the Miami Heat.
On both these gains or losses, that's incidental.
He gave the 18 minutes in 19 minutes shot 57% from the field in this last game, 80% of game before gave you 10 points in each of those gave you three total rebounds over that stretch.
Just the one assist block doesn't matter to steals in the game against Boston as well.
The reason why this is big is because he's showing you scoring ability, right? Shot 66% from three and that Boston lost only 25 in the game against Miami.
But this is a player that you talk about.
What do you want from these guys? By the way, turnovers.
On those last five games, you seen zero.
So this is a guy that you can count on to give you quality minutes.
Over his career, he's been a guy that shoots 49% from the field.
Not great, 33% from beyond the arc.
65% from the line.
Giving you almost four rebounds about assisted game.
Don't want to worry about that. Stat too much.
Ah, and avoids turnovers in 20 minute career average has under one turnover.
So he's a guy that protects the ball well.
He's also a guy that could give you some score, and you see him driving to the basket.
Gonna be difficult against some of the bigger teams around the league.
But in these last couple of matchups, he's shown an effective his inconsistency that you can like, UH this season for the Nets, averaging 11 little over 11 minutes, 11 and 1/2 minutes, showing an uptick shooting 63 a half percent shooting 40% from downtown Onley shooting 58 fromthe line.
That's a concern.
A lot of players on the Nets have had some of those struggles two rebounds a game, nothing about the assist column.
Don't worry about it, but again, turnovers under ah, half a turnover per game.
So a guy of per 11 minutes there.
So it is a guy that is having success for you.
He's the guy that's contributing for you.
We've seen this around the Internet.
A Cuban, if you follow the nets.
He started a force that issue.
And I think youse are really opened the door here for no water to start to eat into his minute share.
And now going forward will be really curious Tow.
Watch a player like him and see if he continues to get some consistent minutes there.
And then what you start to want to know is in that second unit.
You know, at least over these next two games, we're going without Kyrie Irving, where do you start to look for? For him to come in and have a ah role that can be consistent.
As I try to highlight here.
I want to take a look at the starting rotation and just let you know where Nawab I can plug in and whether or not you can see that impact as dumb as a dog Nori special in the margins.
So we talk about obviously you have Spencer Dinwiddie.
He's giving you 30 minutes a game.
That number's going up over this stretch here.
You have your Joe Harris territory on prints or Jared Allen? Now you're talking about, though, in that second unit which will involve DeAndre Jordan.
Obviously you're gonna have Shumpert in there for a blended minutes.
Pinson is gonna be on the floor if no Wahba can start to show the ability toe one drive at the basket a little bit and then maybe give you something in the mid arranged a perimeter shot.
Now I think you want to try to continue to push.
Pinson is that facilitator role as we highlighted giving you two and 1/2 2 and 1/2 assists per game if he can push that thing towards three and 1/2 4 assists per game and utilize a guy like Muamba there and give him some easy looks in and around the basket is gonna look out scientist Shumpert as well, at times.
And then, you know, I I've been harping on this, but I think that klaxon deserves at least a little bit of a run here.
We highlight what he's done playing in 12 games, giving you 11 minutes averaging just three little over three points.
He does give you two rebounds a game.
He has come close to almost assists per game, close to a steel per game as well.
Ah, and then not giving you a block average.
But these are numbers that get skewed based on how much time he gets to spend on the floor.
But I think that he deserves an opportunity to play himself into a little bit of a minute share where you start to talk about that second unit on Lee Big guy that you have there, by the way, is we'll be rolled through those numbers.
The only other large play large plane only forward they have going into that bench is is crooks.
Those are the only players that they have.
When you look at this bench after DeAndre Jordan, it is use of Pinson Shumpert, no Wahba, clacks and cruise.
And then you do get into an Ellen and Ellenson who hasn't seen any time a complete three minutes, one game.
So you know, this is not the expectation that you're going to have this kind of set up long term, because again you're talking about Garrett Temple gives you some length, and you so, though, is the other guy that's supposed to give you like that second unit.
He's been struggling a little bit as they get healthy and then temples.
Maybe Temple slides down into that second unit.
Now he gives you more length on the defensive end.
So does Cruise if he's playing well.
But all of a sudden all of these pieces get the shift a little bit in the matches, get a little bit better.
We did highlighted the last time, also, that when you think about the Brooklyn Nets, you can now, because Temple has shown the ability to play strong play strong in that starting unit and the equality compliment now will the sun.
And when, Uh when you talk about Caris Levert coming back, you know that one.
You're getting better continuity with Den Woody and some of these starters and temple being one of them.
You're gonna see more in the second unit.
Then you've also seen them be flexing Joe Harris a little bit into that second unit for Maur extended minutes.
He's been playing high minute shares here over these last handful of games.
Now you can start to think about, though, is in that second unit as you blend in and out of this. Certainly.
You're in your seat, Donna Jordan Common and spell out at some point.
But now, didn't We can be in there and you can even flex a little bit of Caris Levert into that second unit.
That's kind of what Doug Nor is lying out thinking that you want to split up Kyrie and Caris Levert now, because didn't what He has solidified the fact that he could get on the floor for you.
He can run this offense, he can facilitate for others and he can get his own scoring consistently and fairly error free basketball that he's gonna give to you could be a leader for this team.
You have three players that you think can theoretically take over a game for you at a given point.
And given the fact that cares, Liver was struggling a little bit to find his rhythm till identify his new role is being number two on this team.
All of a sudden, he can slide into onto that floor there with den witty, dimwitted come up and down and flex over top of where Kyrie Irving is now the son you're gonna have.
Kyrie Irving Carousel of sorry, Kyrie and didn't win, you know, inside of one another and then didn't woody and lover together with one another.
And I think that can actually bring more bath, please Affecting This is also gonna give Revert some easier looks in and around the basket a little more freedom toe to go at the's defense is at times And then again, a guy like temple showing quality minutes in that first roll.
Now, all the sudden you feel like Okay, if I want to take, you know, Laverne off the floor there.
I can sub in Garrett Temple and he's gonna give you lengthen the defensive end, gives you the perimeter shot.
You still have quality on both ends and obviously ah, high end defensive defensive presence there for Gary Temple.
So those are things that you like now continuing to develop this flexibility, I do start to wonder what are the expectations for the Brooklyn Nets in and around the tree deadline? I'm not saying they're going to some big, splashy play, but I do wonder if they can identify a piece that's maybe someone that gives you a little bit of length on the defensive end for that second unit and then also has some ability to create a shot.
Even even an extra three indeed got pure three.
Indeed, Guy, another Garrett Temple view a clone Garrett Temple and then have him available in both units.
I think that the Nets would be ecstatic in that regard because he's done so many things consistently well for you.
But right now you talk about Shumpert.
That's an up and down as far as an offensive side of things you talk about.
He's shown some improvements here, but I think maybe he's gonna be more of the offensive value for because he's undersized.
Not gonna do a ton for you defensively.
Ah, you know, so trying to find that one more piece, I don't know who they might look around to pick up, But certainly I'd be curious to see if it is trying to make a little tweak and maybe get some extra value here in the middle of the season heading towards that trade deadline to give themselves an opportunity to give a little more depth as well.
We don't know what Wilson Chandler is gonna give you when he comes back 25 game suspension.
Gotta remember he has injury issues, back injury issues, and that usually spells a guy that is going to have a hard time staying healthy in the long term.
So now this suddenly comes back from 25 games.
Gonna take him a while, maybe another 10 games to get back into a rhythm and flow.
Now you're halfway through the season.
What if he goes down with another injury? I mean, that is why you brought in a guy like Shumpert.
But you have to think when Wilson Chandler gets back in here, you'll see some shuffling of minutes.
And then again, really, this stretch here, especially without Laverne and without Kyrie Irving.
Guys like Musa and we're so curious.
I'll try a little more research on.
But I don't like to speak to this stuff too much.
We can discuss it, and that is Ah, you know, karaoke sees off the court potential issues.
If there's something going on there, then I get it.
Otherwise, you know, he struggled a little bit early in this season as well, and you start to think, What do we expect out of Musa and crooks in the long term for this team over the course of this season.
That's certainly going into next year.
When you're going tohave kg bank, you need to have quality pieces around them.
Right now, you feel good about Tori on Prince.
You feel good about Temple.
You feel good about Laverne and Den Witty and Joe Harris, and that's great.
But you know, the Shumpert's and you know you have no Wahba certainly is this mixed bag of players here, but the Shumpert's the guavas and uses the core.
Oops, the Wilson Chandlers and these are all movable, movable pieces.
So I think trying to identify some younger talent than that goes again into this idea about why, over the course of sees another, you're right now.
But over the length of the season, I do want to see Nicholas Clacks and getting a few more runs here in minutes that he could start to make some of those mistakes learn some things, develop some skills so that all of a sudden, at the power forward position, you start to have a new emerging asset as you head into next year.
But these are all big picture stuff, but when you're sitting here and you don't have Kyrie, Irving, Caris, Levert on the floor.
You do get opportunities to assess some of these younger players and ignore it would tell you to.
There's a reason why these guys don't get a lot of minutes right.
There's a reason why Musa isn't it wasn't punching his ticket in their hats of injuries and stuff, but you know why.
He's not getting big line minute shares because, you see, when he sees the uptick, you're not getting the results.
He can give you a 45 minutes for one shift spurt.
But over the course of the game, where you want to play 15 to 20 minutes, it's been bearing out that he comes up with a couple turnovers.
He has issues identifying the correct past to make.
He finds himself getting caught in between driving the lane and taking charge calls on the offensive end.
So you know it's not the hard part is still a young player, but that's why these guys don't play big minutes.
That's what you saw.
Veterans like Shumpert come in where you just feel like Lisieux, consistency out of them, and now you're starting to turn over to know Wahba again.
Another guy who certainly has a veteran presence and knows how to do what he does well correctly.
And that's what I think Any actions and more than anything is looking for is just consistency from these players across the board, knowing what he's going to get with him when he puts him on.
So we've come on here.
We just highlighted that next two games.
No Kyrie Irving again.
More consistency from from Spencer.
Demi gives you opportunities.
It's against Atlanta.
It's against Charlotte to very winnable games for the Brooklyn Nets.
I think you'd love to see them 12 and two coming back into that more difficult stretch of the lineup, which we will just briefly highlight right here for you.
We know you're gonna go to Atlanta.
Then you will go to Charlotte, and then you're gonna follow back, coming against Denver.
Get Charlotte home once more on the 11th which is nice.
Then you gotta go to Toronto and then at home for Philly.
You get that nice sandwich, the pelicans with the Spurs on and with the Atlanta Hawks after that.
So not not a lot of difficult games here, but that three out of four.
They're starting on the sixth, starting on the eighth there with Denver yet, Charlotte.
But then you get right back into it with Toronto and 76 years.
And if you want to say, not saying right, wrong, indifferent.
But just that all right, if you don't, if you're not gonna have ah, Kyrie Irving for those games, if you're gonna call those games losses, which is easy to say they can be Certainly the Sixers game that size.
And you know what toronto doing? See how come I need, you know, these are going to issues for you.
So if you're gonna lose those three games and then it means that you'd liketo win Atlanta, Charlotte, Charlotte.
So that way, when you wrap up on the 15th after the 76 years and you go on the road for the pelicans and Spurs and that home for the Atlanta and Nick's matchups excuse me, then you get four games, Four matchups there, that hopefully you can win at least three of those, if not four.
And again, you're talking about going from 10 and 10 to 13 and maybe, you know, uh, go 14 and 11 over this next four games stretch.
Maybe lose those tough ones against Toronto in Philly.
Now you're at 14 13 with an opportunity to get some wins back in your column there.
So this is what we're talking about.
Just having that balance and getting through this next quarter of the season.
I will jump out of the way here for a little bit as we head towards that afternoon drive time.
And then my intention will be to come back on a little bit later and kind of go over what we saw in this first quarter of the season.
Those 1st 20 games, Jeanette's have played to a 10 and 10 records.
So what have you seen? 500 basketball? But we know about the injury, so we kind of go over and highlight who have been the key player.
Spencer Dane. But he's gonna be one of them.
Maybe take a big picture.
Look at Kyrie and he's this little injury for him.
Any long term concerns we have around that going through the remainder of the season and then will outline the full next 20 games for the Brooklyn Nets on their schedule.
Talk about what the expectations can be with and without Kyrie Irving, and start to identify those dates when we think we're gonna have Caris Levert working back in and how that can impact their their win lost totals as well as we look ahead to the midpoint of the season, the All Star break, and just get an assessment of where this team stands with so many new pieces coming in and that big horizon of Katie next year, that'll do it for the We got next podcast.
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