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Welcome back into the We got nits.
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We come to you here on a Tuesday in the early afternoon, a couple of notes just around the team that I want to go over and then some interesting things regarding the upcoming draft.
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SportsNation came out and did a couple of individual mock draft, but one of them gives us a little more insight than the secondary one, as that involves a compensatory picks and a lot of information going to that we're not really sure about, um, and one of the pick selections that they give their is certainly a player that I don't necessarily think would be available at that time, So one has a little more value than the other.
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But initially, I want to go back in like we had mentioned on Sunday on the Sunday broadcast and take a look at the pro football focus.
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Now that's a couple of days later.
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Should have some updates on that offensive line play and how they've looked and whether or not Hernandez how a P o needs soldiers, certainly, uh, Roemer's there on the outside and even the best one that we've had so far in sight Lor the right garp.
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Is it Sarah Jones performing here another week down into the season? Obviously, the Giants lose this last match up.
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One of the news and notes we highlighted, you know it's Jenkins after the game, talking about how he felt like he isn't traveling around the field anymore, getting himself locked in with the number one wide receiver.
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Ah, Patrick came out and said a couple of things in regards to that mention that he came from Minnesota, where that certainly wasn't have a scheme there defensively, and uh, and then also the overall I thought, which, you know, depending on which way you want to go.
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Is the New York Giants fan, obviously now even more getting out there on social media about how now it's time for a gentleman to be gone, and we need to start doing what the Jets were doing a few weeks ago in flying planes over stadiums to communicate our message.
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But, you know, Shurmur did say he thinks that Jenkins is.
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It's certainly an emotional player, not a nice the negative, but just he's an emotional player.
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It's a reaction after the game, yet had a chance to talk to him directly.
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But I do give Patrick or credit for not maybe taking a dig at his player.
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Ah, and trying to, as we've highlighted, keep this team still feeling like they can win.
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Games can be competitive, can do things certainly well in practice and then on game day.
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So ultimately, that kind of goes by the wayside.
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And I do think that Jenkins is one of the vocal leaders are certainly vocal players in the locker room because he has.
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He does have one of the longer 10 years on this roster and is obviously the one veteran cornerback currently on the roster as well.
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Other interesting notes to would be Carl Banks, who has Everyone knows you could get a lot of, AH, reaction and ****ysis from him when you're talking about Ah, the Giants on game day and then, of course, in game review times.
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I think you have a lot of nice insights there and speaking about where the Giants currently are and whether or not you're talking about talent or scheme on the defensive side of the ball.
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You know, one of the quotes that we have from hitting here over on Twitter.
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Responding to a question was, it is fair to ask ourselves if the team cannot stop the same plays crossing routes in two seasons.
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Is it a scheme or players? If teams continue to target Haley and you give no help, is it scheme or players? Same things equal. Same results.
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So I think there is something in that when we talk about, obviously, the entire coaching roster is up for grabs here.
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We don't hear Shula mentioned because he's not doing the offensive play calling at this point.
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Ah, but you know better, you say when they first bring him in.
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Then last year.
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There's a lot of this mixed, mixed roster there.
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Do they have the town, the players to effectively run the scheme that he wants to? Dave Gettleman flushes out A lot of those players, brings in some new talent.
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You get a guy like Sam Bill back healthy on this roster, obviously for the last couple of weeks, but then when some of the same things keep happening, you have to say, does better have the ability to make in game adjustments.
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And Andy and I have highlighted this on the podcast at times where if you're going to give up opening touchdowns time and time again, as we saw a handful for a stretch there with 45 games in a row being down 14.
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Nothing 17.
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Nothing in games for this defense.
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If after that first drive, you don't come back and can't make some adjustments.
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At what point do you say this defensive coordinator? While you may have a nice scheme in place if you don't have the highest level of talent, then you're going to struggle to execute.
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I think you could even, you know, go back to the Steve packed Spagnola days, where when you have all of those talented players up front, it really makes everything works so much better in that secondary.
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I think the Giants do have some town across this defensive line, and yet you do have to take that step back and say, OK, you know, we're on average from a talent standpoint, maybe below average, whatever it may be.
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You still want to find coordinators and head coaches that can come in and get the most out of those players, maximize what they do well.
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And you do look at an adjustment where you see now with Peel back healthy, him and Baker doing a bit of a time share there at the cornerback position.
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I think that is a smart move, right.
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You probably didn't want to see Baker going rate in there and starting immediately even as a first round pick.
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I think any of these guys and Daniel Jones first round pick, but you want to give them as much time as you feel like you can before you get him out there on the field.
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Ah, and certainly learning in the film room and on the practice field would've been nice for Baker.
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Now you get to content that little step back and we will keep an eye on maybe where we think Baker, how he plays out and how he gets raided out over what will be a slightly less number of snaps.
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I think it was about 60 42 weeks, two games to go with the check for this past one as well.
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But you're giving him the opportunity to put in the better positions, right? Go in there and play some physical presence.
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And then when you expect or you're looking for some deeper rats to get run a little more length from Sam, be a little more athleticism there.
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And maybe he matches up better in some of those spots as well.
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So those are some follow ups on that.
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We are gonna dive into the second daring and talk about free agents and talk about the upcoming draft as well.
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I'm gonna come back in later today as I have just a bit of a hectic schedule, but I want to make sure I came on here.
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Ah, and immaculate and myself are gonna be getting on a little after 2 p.
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m.
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Today with one another to record our next podcast episode, which will be out there for you guys this evening and then going into Wednesday and Thursday.
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Those updates will come back in later in the week, and And just bring four into that information that we touch on today so you can check for that.
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It'll be out later this afternoon, early evening.
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So make sure you keep an eye out for that as ah, I have a few questions to ask.
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Abandon will try to get his insights and see where I'm landing on that.
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Ah, we take a look first at the pro football focus here just to see if we get any updates.
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And actually, I think it was one other Carl Banks.
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I wanted to take a look at here before we move on from it.
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Um, in response to ah Twitter question about in regards execution and the talent, those kinds of things, Carl Banks responding well, so basically is posing execution was bad, but the talent is incapable to perform the planned execution anyway.
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You're basically saying, even if the scheme isn't necessarily what it should be, the talent level still isn't what it needs to be to be able to even execute what the alleged plan would be.
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A lot of layers do right, Carl Banks, coming back to it, said.
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The issue for me is how talent is developed within the scheme and how a scheme adapts to its talent.
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I currently see no cohesion, a lack of execution in basic zone concepts, glaring holes in man concepts, successful please, against a defense that fails to adjust.
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So ah, and then Carl does Dio.
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If you follow the Giants, you do see him break down some film.
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Obviously, when Bob Papa, when they get on their over the course of a week following a game so we can find a lot of footage there and I'll dive into some of that and that'll probably something that I'll give a little more insight about what I see there want to talk to Andy later tonight and then on our Friday episode as well, we'll touch back on that and certainly heading into what will be the Monday night match with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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We'll take a look at all these kind of defensive things, and then I'll come on to Sports Caster here and try to break down.
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If what I can surmise whether or not it is scheme, is it players isn't the combination of both and then ultimately, you know, for me right now, I look at it, I do kind of stand on the side of Carl Banks here where you're talking about, Okay, the talent level, maybe what it is.
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But you also do need to be as a defensive coordinator as a head coach, able to say Fine, we're a little deficient in these areas.
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But what is my best way to utilize what I have and to avoid some of those big plays that we've seen deep touchdown pass for Aaron Rodgers over the middle? And I felt like a complete breakdown with only having Antoine Buffet back there on that.
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Wants a lot of opportunities, really looks Ogle treat, breaking out of his assignment there early in the game of his own coverage as we highlighted last time we were on.
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So there's some things here that I think for me personally.
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I do still.
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Ah, I stand on the side of it.
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Is the coordinator not necessarily the players of the talent level, because I think that these guys remember coming out of the draft.
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A guy like Baker was regarded pretty highly coming out of college when the Giants got back in the first round.
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Felt like, uh, most most pundits.
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You know, most guys on the networks were saying this was, ah, nice move from them.
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You talk about a guy like Corey Valentine or like Love, who is now getting some time, their safety.
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You know, these are guys that in the moment people felt pretty high on, So I think that still bears out, and now it may come down to how they're being utilized.
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But we'll get a little bit deep, dive on that and come back later in the week on some of those thoughts.
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What I do want to take a look at now is rebooting the pro football focus rating.
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Go through these lines real quick.
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I'm fairly, ah, familiar with where these players stood head into the Packers game, so we'll just go ahead and walk rate down the line on them.
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I just want todo down the offensive line that is and just give you exactly what we're seeing here across the board who has improved themselves or who has taken a step back another week. Moving forward.
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If you were with us previously heading into that matchup, we talked about how you saw Hernandez jalopy.
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Oh, even soldier who was the second highest rated player on the line.
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In spite of his struggles, we're all taking steps back over the last two weeks in terms of pro football focus ratings you may have felt early in this game.
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I noticed one got away from the Giants in the fourth quarter, essentially down four going into the fourth quarter.
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But you saw some relative early success running between the tackles.
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For sake, woman Barkley.
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We go ahead and get inside these numbers and we'll just walk right down the line, starting at left tackle and give an update of where these players now stand.
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So if you have been with us, you know that two weeks ago our three gonna be three games ago, Nate Soldier was coming in at a 67 nearly 68 pro football focus rating simple is this.
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He is now to 65.7.
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Last week he was at 66 change.
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So he is steadily going in the wrong direction.
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It means that he is taking a step back, is continuing to take that step back, and then and only that this is a line that is not getting better over the course of the season.
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Rated as a 60 coming into this game, down from the previous week from about a 61 or 62 I think it was for well, Hernandez.
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Now Rayna's a 59.3.
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If that number is coming down from 60 you know, it feels like a relatively small amount in terms of his rating, you certainly have to associate that is being a very bad performance, then, is to continue to bring that number down by a significant margin.
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There seem like a lot, but to me, that is.
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And also it makes three straight weeks since we've been tracking this information that he is trending in the wrong direction.
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Three weeks ago jalape 51 point Sorry, 50 almost 55 Last week 54 Little Under 53 change now stands out of 51.
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8 rating again.
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Not doing what he needs to be doing here.
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Ah, on this offensive line trending in the wrong direction, we move over and raid on down the line to Zeiler at the right guard position now rating out at a 73.4.
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Ah, I would have to double back.
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Here we go.
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I know this is gonna go back a little ways.
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So Zeitler actually continuing to progress a few weeks ago he was at 71.
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1, now finds himself up at 73.4.
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So he the best player that we found in this line all year is continuing to perform well, in spite of the fact that what's going on to the left of him, eyes getting worse and worse on a week to week basis.
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Finally, we take a look at Mike remembers there at the right tackle position a few weeks ago when we looked at him, he raided out of the 60 61.2.
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He is now. It is 52.9.
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So he has at least performed a little bit better for you.
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Obviously, it could be a product of the improved play from sight ler.
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But rumors right now, you know, still Ah, an area with five penalties, three sacks allowed in the season.
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This is still gonna be a position that the Giants need to address for May.
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Right tackle position.
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Try to figure out how to get better.
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We did highlight this on off the podcast that I talked about it here on my previous sportscasts about the possibility that if Nate Soldier who, like we said you know, isn't rating out well and it's trending in the wrong direction.
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But if you kicked him around because of the contract that he currently has with the team, if you can't come around to the right side and then still brought in competition for him.
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But if he's going to be on the roster, you're gonna move on from members, you might as well shift him over to the right side, give him an opportunity to compete there and see if you could even play.
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If you play to the same level that he does right now, not just show the best thing to be asking for, but if you were able to keep that kind of consistency.
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Then maybe you say OK, it's still be an improvement, right to be playing better than what the ratings were saying about rumors right now.
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And then You bring in a new piece there on the left side and, uh, and you kind of take it from there were policing and rebuilding that lets out of line.
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Biggest concern for me here has to be Hernandez display Hernandez.
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Is it Will Hernandez has struggled so far this season.
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We've highlighted, especially in pass protection.
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Gets called back on his heels.
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He has that short region short range, and so far it looks like that.
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Certainly, from past protection standpoint, there has been regression this year.
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You combine that with being surrounded by regressing Nate Soldier, who's given up nine sacks on the year jalape o who's not nearly the player that the Giants thought he was going to be coming back into this season.
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And all of a sudden you have big problems and big concerns on 3/5 of your line.
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I mean right now regards whether or not you move, soldier, what happens there? You are talking about moving on from free 3/5 of this line, potentially over the next offseason and draft.
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And even if you do keep a player like Hernandez around, then you're still talking about going into next season, thinking we have serious concerns.
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Because if he does not show improvement with some new pieces alongside him, then you have to start to wonder if we need to replace the left guard position now and then.
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You look, you know where everything lines up across the board.
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So still gonna be a lot of concerns.
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Your and regards about Hernandez.
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You keep him around, even if you still replacing the right tackle potentially was swinging soldier over there that is still replacing your right tackle and then had to replace the left tackle annual to adjust the center.
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So these are the concerns certainly that we're seeing.
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And all the numbers are telling you that the left side of this line is well, along with jalape o has struggled.
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They continue to struggle and they continue to be trending in the wrong direction on a week to week basis.
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And this also then goes back into Ah, the idea about what is Ah, stay calm.
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Barkley doing for you.
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Has he been struggling? Staying between the tackles, Getting you had that e I can't put anything on his feet until I see what this offensive line can be improved to through new players.
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I mean, that's the bottom line.
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I need to see it.
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At least two new players coming in here.
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Ah, the reason why we touch base is because we wanted to take a look here at AA Sportsnation.
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And this is Ah, excuse me.
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Make sure that I give credit where credit is due.
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This is Ah, Chris plum over there on Ah sportsnation.
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He went up.
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It had to actually seven round mock drafts.
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The difference here being is that ah, one of them is a little more loosely based.
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And from his own assessment that in those mock drafts tends to see a lot of players that are more highly rated slide from time to time, which dictates a little bit of confusing terms.
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As far as where you think you can really target players.
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That being said, the reason why I want to touch on it was and both of his draft He goes this way.
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You start to get more and more steam in and around this I can make the case for the tackle.
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We talked about this with highlighted Thomas, some of these other players, but he's looking at Chase Young, that edge rusher out of there.
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You follow that up at the early second round pick with a player in Ah, that is Tyler.
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Bide as and this is And this is the interior linemen coming out of Wisconsin.
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So I want to touch on him because as we go back and think about where we had looked Ah, and a secondary mock draft.
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He did go with Hanson, the player that we had recommended of the center.
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That was, I think, in time in the fifth round.
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So he's talking 4th 5th round area for ah, guy like that.
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And he was the center that we thought, Ah has solid technique and also is gonna give you, um, you know, good experience, combined with the technique to be able to come in, compete and possibly take over that role in competition in the off season against Hal Appeal.
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So we highlight this before need to bring in body, so certainly feels good, at least for this guy to have gone through there and identified a player that I think could have some value for the Giants in the draft and ah, and really given opportunity to improve the position.
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Now that's a little bit later.
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The selection's up.
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We talk about the center there.
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I want to just get I want to get exactly what Chris had listed up.
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And that Waas his feeling is that, and on the mock draft that he plays in the first round, five offensive tackles go.
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So you're talking about the Thomas is the worst.
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The Jacksons, your players along that line well, along with a couple others that have gone.
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And so by time you get to that second round, you can't necessarily draft left tackle because a handful of them have gone.
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Then you've got to take a look in on ah, highlighting but days and you say this is a guy who thinks could be a Top 20 prospects.
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So maybe there's an opportunity based on team needs.
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As you look around this draft and it's always gonna happen, and along the offensive line, you can certainly see it happen where some of these players can fall for you.
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And then the Giants have an opportunity to address an issue of need at the second round when, maybe you would think if you had been in the first round later on, you would take a flier on a player like this instead.
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Again, you get the opportunity to dive right in trying to take a look here on the Taiwan Try guest sense of where these prospects were falling looking over on ah, sporting news just to get an idea as to where they may look to go.
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We're talking about this inside line men.
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It'll take me a minute just to kind of find it here.
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And as I d'oh we will say is, um if Young is going to be that first player that you take and we'll highlight through the rest of his draft here real quick, He then goes, uh, Justin Jefferson and Brian Edwards back to back picks out of L S. U.
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And out of South Carolina certainly get my phone appears.
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So I have this accurately.
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And then also Ah, Antonio Brooks, the safety.
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Ah.
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Then he goes with Labonte Taylor, the cornerback followed up by Runyon late in the draft there out of Michigan.
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So at a glance.
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Excuse me. Have a sneeze.
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I'm trying to fight off here.
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Made it.
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I made the lead.
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It remains like this one rip way Go.
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Sorry about that.
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Um so as you look at a glance at this, though, what are we talking about? Right? If the address is gonna be the play, I think that it makes sense that you go from edge rusher, and then you immediately go into the offensive line to try to help that these your two biggest positions of need as we've highlighted.
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And you could flip flop, either whether you want to do it.
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Obviously, all the indications are everyone says that Young is gonna be a transcendent player, and I'm totally fine with it.
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Taking it.
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I do think that then you do want that early pick in the second round to immediately go to addressing, uh, the offensive line and bring in players.
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Do you think compete at a high level and take over a roll and get plus in one of these margins? And in this instance, they're looking at how appeal the issue that I have with the wide receiver court.
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Now I understand a couple areas of it.
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One Sterling Shepherd, though, is back on the field and playing, and we've been highlighting how we're happy that he is back and healthy.
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You do have to at least consider the idea.
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This is a guy that long term health could be a concern.
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Also, the fact that we know that while I certainly like him and I think that he can impact the game, I think that he is a high to borderline one talent in the NFL level.
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We seen the way he's impacted was back on the would have been on the field of healthy.
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Ultimately, the redundancies that you have across this roster with Golden Tate Shepherd basically Shepherd being the younger version of Golden Tate and Golden Tate on Lee is going to get older and obviously start to lose that step a little bit.
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I love what we've seen from variously, and I think it gives you a little more physicality and size construct that field, but now you do want right.
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It was one of two things.
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More speed on the outside, you know, Allah, Odell Beckham, when you had him or getting that bigger bodied receiver in the door that helps you to stretch this field and gives you an opportunity to make some big plays now to go back into it real quick here.
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This will take me a second to find, ah, the wide receivers that I want to highlight a ce faras.
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The Giants were concerned.
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I went some leader around picks here.
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I personally look at the wide receiving corps with obviously the caveat being, what happens within Evan Ingram.
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Some people have said maybe it's time that they move on from him.
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You just start looking at getting value back, and then you think about a guy like we've seen the way Smith has looked strong, you know? I mean Daniel Jones.
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Emilie gets a report him not remotely the same type of tight end.
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But you know, the reality is when you and you can utilize a tight end and you can get these guys in the later rounds, it's still have them be effective.
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Go see Kittles out there in San Francisco.
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Having used to pick this high on a player like that, I think was probably a mistake in the big picture of things at the time that he was taken.
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And now if you could get any type of reasonable value out of him, I would be okay with them moving on from him.
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And then you start to say, Well, if you're going to move on from him there now, you look back into the track and think about the idea of Is there now another wide receiver that we want to bring into this? Do we feel like we need to bolster up? Are receiving corps.
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But But again, I don't know how high you want to take it.
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And you are talking about 3rd 4th round picks.
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These are highlighted.
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Now is the 98th 130th pick.
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Overall, I need you.
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Here we go.
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Finally got there.
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So in terms of the guys that we're talking about wanting to bring in, right, Ah, highlighting guys like Chanel it out of Colorado, we highlighted Colin Johnson out of Texas.
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Jalen Reagor out of TCU of the big names that I liked were Chase Claypool and then also ah yet give Gery there in the both in 2 to 4 round range.
00:23:07
So what? I want to take a look at real quick is where if this full draft comes up here where exactly it looked like some of these other receivers would be going Because for me and, uh, see if I can dive in here on these wide receivers and just address what we saw when we were talking about those top 50 As we dove in on some of these wide receivers to do there, we saw Henry drugs, of course, at Alabama, that was getting a little bit there.
00:23:33
So let me see if I can pull up.
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Ah, 2020 NFL draft wide receiver.
00:23:44
Okay, so when we talk about looking over just some of what we're seeing here, I want to know if we can find I want to compare him to the players that we were talking about previously in the wide receiver pool.
00:23:57
So now we start to dive down this list, right? The two players that they were listing for us work Justin Jefferson and Brian Edwards.
00:24:05
So, first up, Justin Jefferson out of L s U six foot three buck 92 45 40 time protected to go anywhere from one to third round.
00:24:13
We're seeing him here listed in the third update at the end of November.
00:24:17
Ah, he's been having a strong season.
00:24:19
75 catches, 1037 yards, 12 touchdowns.
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He had 54 catches the year prior with 8 75 and six score.
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So moving in the right direction has the lengths to go up with some quickness.
00:24:29
And athleticism has its hunt of upside.
00:24:32
That's what this guy that's the scouting report, is on him to make plays downfield and have mismatches with length.
00:24:37
Ah, and to take on defensive backs to get over the top of them at 63 obviously gives us more size to go along with various late in the compliment of a Sterling Shepard has been steady, steady and big play play producer.
00:24:50
Now, the interesting thing is, you're to write the emergence of Burroughs of Borough. Sorry, Joe Burrow.
00:24:56
It certainly has to play a role here, as I almost throw some of my tech to the floor here, but that has to play a role, right? All of a sudden, you're seeing the value may be of a Justin Jefferson when he now has a talented quarterback that has just exploded this season and giving you a real opportunity to take a look at him and see what he might be capable of.
00:25:13
So I certainly am not against that type against that selection.
00:25:17
My curiosity, though again, is going to be Where do you then know? Full.
00:25:22
As we continue to look down the list here and go for it, go for Edwards, which is gonna take us down a ways a little bit more.
00:25:30
And just so you know, a guy like Tae Higgins that we were talking about, one of the previous ones, you're you know, he right now is falling in behind.
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Ah, sorry.
00:25:41
Behind Justin Jefferson there.
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Justin Jefferson.
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Currently listed as thea seventh overall wide receiver in the draft class.
00:25:50
Right.
00:25:51
So we continue to work down this year, and as we find for Edwards, and then I'm just gonna compare him to Of course, the one that I would that I am interested in that is Claypool.
00:25:59
Claypool list is the 15th right? So now, as we continue to move down the list on Lee, a couple spots behind them at 17th is Brian Edwards.
00:26:06
So if you were listening to us on that one, let's go ahead and give you the rundown on both of these players where they stand.
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Latest update.
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Coming right at the end of November.
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So obviously the Internet is current is possible here.
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Ah, Edward.
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Six foot 3458 40 Time to 20 projected to go in that third to four round range, and that's right where they have him going here on this particular mock draft.
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Ah, end of November says that he has been playing from playing well for the Game****s.
00:26:31
2019 now is up to 71 catches, 800 yards, Um, and six touchdowns has computed well against Alabama with a tough performance.
00:26:41
Edwards is a Polish receiver, has quickness, has size and has run after the catch skills so that six foot three good size, decent speed not want to be a burner.
00:26:53
But I think one of the things we are talking about when you look at water see for any position for the Giants is of course, how are you going to address having guy that comes in ready to play? I think they find that diamond rough and Darius leading has been certainly a nice surprise for the Giants and one that they could start to us going forward.
00:27:07
And now, if you bring in a Polish wide receiver in the draft, how can that help elevate the players around him? We slide back up to Notre Dame here and Chase Claypool at the 15th spot.
00:27:17
Reason why I like Tim 45 feet.
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Maybe a little bit faster than a guy like Edwards.
00:27:24
Mmm.
00:27:25
By step or two, Claypool has made some impressive runs after the catch this season.
00:27:30
He's a big receiver, tough and dangerous with the ball in his hands.
00:27:33
He has 56 catches for a 28 10 touchdowns.
00:27:36
If you were a little bit faster, he would be a first rounder in the 2020 draft.
00:27:40
So the reason why, if I'm the New York Giants, you look at that and say, OK, so he has all the skills that they use a little bit faster.
00:27:46
We certainly would love it right if you move on from from heaven.
00:27:49
Ingram, possibly over the offseason.
00:27:50
Maybe then you start to think about what's the best fit for us.
00:27:53
But given that he's at the same speed, has an extra inch of height, a little more weight on him, and it certainly shown some ability with a ball in his hands to make some plays after the catch.
00:28:03
I still look at him.
00:28:05
If he were to be available, I still likely people.
00:28:07
I will highlight Edwards here.
00:28:10
And this will be another name that we're gonna add to the big board of for the New York football giants just so that we can keep an eye on these players as we go forward.
00:28:19
The interesting thing for me is again.
00:28:21
I had highlighted Claypool there.
00:28:23
This is, you know, talking about potentially 1/4 round pick.
00:28:26
Edwards falling in behind him a little bit.
00:28:28
So will he still be available? The guy like late will still be there.
00:28:33
That's certainly debatable.
00:28:34
My concern right now when you talk about going to Justin Jefferson, my issue there is you're talking about 1/3 round pick at a position that to me when you go through the hierarchy, I don't know if I can have this mock draft play out where you see you go.
00:28:53
You go defense at rush hour.
00:28:54
Chase Young. Fantastic.
00:28:56
You go with the interior offensive line number two.
00:28:59
I think it makes total sense.
00:29:00
But now to say that you're going to go down and go wide receiver, wide receiver back to backgrounds When I would say potentially another cornerback or secondary player, they ve obviously goes into safety and cornerback at those next two picks.
00:29:13
But for me, you know, flip, flop these a little bit.
00:29:16
I think getting a safety in the door would make a lot of sense.
00:29:19
Now, I know that love is getting a nice run here, and maybe they're gonna start to look at this in the off season and say our love and peppers, two players that could get alongside each other there buffet is no longer in the picture.
00:29:27
Okay, that's certainly reasonable.
00:29:30
But I again would still look at the linebacker position and say, Where else come to get a little bit healthier? There is gold in 100% gonna come back with us.
00:29:39
We're gonna give him that a new contract.
00:29:41
How how much of a team deal will be? How much will it cost us? Right.
00:29:45
And that you were getting in the door in free agency is gonna play a big factor.
00:29:48
I will say, as we highlighted the last time.
00:29:50
Not a lot of wide receivers out there in terms of players you might want to target.
00:29:54
You know, we enlisted the last last time we talked about right.
00:29:56
Devante Parker down in Miami, Robbie Anderson for the for the Jets, Geronimo, Allison and Green Day.
00:30:02
I got some things going on there.
00:30:03
Then you talked about some bigger names that maybe only moving teams injury playing last couple last 23 years for A J.
00:30:09
Green and Cincinnati.
00:30:10
Is he coming back? That is obviously a team in the rebuilding.
00:30:13
Would we really be looking to bring on that kind of player? I doubt it.
00:30:17
And then a guy like Josh Gordon of Seattle, though I would assume they got him in the door there, that they would maybe like to bring him back.
00:30:23
And certainly so from that standpoint, I do get the idea of needing to were wanting to address this wide receiver position in the draft to give you new death.
00:30:31
I already highlighted on this last one, will go through one more time for you here.
00:30:35
You know you have shepherd sleeping and tape Shepherd through 2024 take and slating through 2023 could move.
00:30:41
It happened with Kate in the off season, certainly.
00:30:43
But let's assume that those three guys were there.
00:30:45
Fowler, Latimer, bushels.
00:30:47
Russel Shepard, these Air guys that I think I love Shepherd and what he's done for us.
00:30:51
I think Fowler is just, you know, a veteran player who is interchangeable and doesn't necessarily give you any dynamic that maybe he could do something for you in a big spot in a big game.
00:31:00
And it isn't necessarily same contributor in terms of the US of special teams.
00:31:05
And that's why you saw him out.
00:31:07
And they brought in.
00:31:08
Ah, Scott back in, I actually confuse him.
00:31:10
I was watching the game, thought that he had been gone, gave the same number up.
00:31:13
So we already know that Fowler was out, and that's a player that we highlighted on moving on from we now pen in there or pencil in, at least for this point, Scott back into this roster who had been with them in the in the off season and then gets a chance here to, ah, have some of those return duties.
00:31:27
A guy like Russel Shepard again, these air, even cold Corey Coleman is maybe a player that I thought you still hold on to.
00:31:34
And because of that, then maybe in this draft, you look and say, Well, if we brought Coleman back and you can come back healthy from his injury again has speak and stretch the fields could give you special teams play.
00:31:44
That means that Russel Shepard doesn't necessarily need to be back.
00:31:48
A guy like Cody Cores show you some things on special teams as well.
00:31:51
Not in the return button coverage, punt and kickoff coverage.
00:31:54
So now you're talking about the three main guys you add in Seo Coleman and you add in, Let's just say a core.
00:32:01
And I'm not even that neither one of these guys is a make or break for me.
00:32:03
But if you kept those two and Latimer Shepherd Toby back on the practice squad, probably that's fine.
00:32:09
Scott, We're Fowler, Scott fellow.
00:32:10
Whatever that players onto your at five with someone on the practice squad Now, I still think going at the fourth round as opposed to the third.
00:32:18
I think you can get away with that.
00:32:20
I don't think the biggest issue is wide receiver here, and that's where I start to say, you know, going for either in Edward's or or a Claypool.
00:32:26
But looking more in the fourth round for that kind of pick makes a little bit more sense to me.
00:32:30
And then that way, as we had highlighted going into some of these linebackers that I like the job.
00:32:37
Bochy's the Patty Fisher and then my favorite guy, and I actually would like to take a look at the updated big boards here for this as well as we kind of crossed over some of these positions we talked about.
00:32:48
How how do we want to build this idea for the off season for the New York football Giants? Where do you want to see them get better through free agency in the draft? Evan Weaver out of California? This is a guy that I really like because of his versatility.
00:33:00
Inside.
00:33:01
Outside.
00:33:02
Big enough at 2 45 63 can get out on the edge, for you can come inside, has a national love enough shooting athleticism to go back into coverage of times if need be.
00:33:12
I really like this piece for the Giants now.
00:33:15
It's just a matter of where does this guy rank out overall? So if I pull up here, I try to just I wanted to try to bring up the, uh here we go.
00:33:29
So we go back into this into the NFL draft here, try to see what we think is going to go on right now.
00:33:36
It is Chase Young to the Giants and in the mock draft that we look over on Walter football dot com.
00:33:40
Then you run through some of these other names.
00:33:42
That's the number two pick overall.
00:33:43
But let's move down that list and just see as it looks like, the only currently maybe working Thio other goes to 17 to 32.
00:33:55
Let's see what we get there.
00:33:58
I just want to find out.
00:34:00
Ah, if you think any jumps here overall in these mock drafts and so far, so good, by the way, when you're doing these SportsCastrs and then and running through your computer like this, you've got to make sure you're reboot that computers every so often to give yourself an opportunity.
00:34:14
For example, a guy like Justin Jeffrey's over Ah Jefferson Sorry from L s u 29th in this in the first round So that's also part of this, too, saying that maybe they thought that far of a difference.
00:34:25
But if the team is gonna take a look at and go to the Saints in this particular draft, you know, if you're if you're looking around, you may potentially see whether or not these players, even going to be active, are available for them.
00:34:37
Eso as we continue to work through now, going into that second round, they talk about for the Giants and this again at 36 over on this particular draft.
00:34:45
Talk about going Lyman.
00:34:46
I'm fine with that.
00:34:47
This draft has been looking at McKinney, the safety out of Alabama.
00:34:50
So again, this is the opportunity to maybe pair somebody with him and for me personally either way and rusher hydration, Ruffins tackle first and second round has to be the flip flop if there's a quality player available there, but for right now what? I just want to try to see how far down you could expect.
00:35:08
Maybe the have an opportunity to get a player like Weaver in the door for you, because that, to me, is a big opportunity for the New York football Giants. to solidify.
00:35:18
Ah, position of versatility for them that can help make the entire defense better.
00:35:23
Along with you Think about if you get a chase Young and number two there.
00:35:27
Now, all of a sudden you're talking about turning rain around and really having a great chance to have ah turned this defense pretty quickly here.
00:35:35
So bear with me as I just try to cycle down here seeing how far he falls and this is nice.
00:35:39
The further than I go now into the third round is the better that things look from a giant's perspective about where these players air going Thio going to, you know, come to bear s.
00:35:49
So we're now moving all the way down towards the back end even in the third round, and he said, It's a player gets highlighted anywhere from 2 to 4 range is kind of where you're thinking he may go.
00:36:00
And so they go is so they go through 1st 3 rounds here, it looks like, and to that point when that that's fine, right? That's okay.
00:36:08
That means that this is a player that you might be OD eight, that fourth round spot.
00:36:11
So in the big picture of things.
00:36:14
Looking over this particular mock draft, I'm okay with saying, you know, you take young there at the first pick.
00:36:22
If you tell me that the second pick is going to be alignment of some kind, Okay.
00:36:29
Now, with that third pick, I'm I would rather be looking at going to a guy like like Weaver or along those lines that's going to again improve the team.
00:36:41
I can also take a look at possibly a cornerback slash safety that hybrid.
00:36:45
Some of these save the players to gotta remember they're falling.
00:36:48
Is that hybrid roll coming down to the box? So when you see a mock draft that has them taking a safety here, that should bode well for you, depending on what that looks like from a from a scouting standpoint.
00:37:01
So let's dive in real quick here, taking a look at these safety positions, right? I want to know how this safety grades out and what the expectations are for him as to how he would look plugged in here.
00:37:12
Is he coming down into the box for you? Is it allowed peppers to stay a little more ranging on the back side of things.
00:37:17
It's on.
00:37:18
Julian Love. Certainly doing some nice things.
00:37:20
I thought in this past week, in and around the line of scrimmage, when it comes to Ah! Run, run, run! Help! There! Okay, so 2020.
00:37:27
Let's get into the safe.
00:37:28
He's real quick and see where they graded out.
00:37:30
Ah, for the Giants.
00:37:32
So talk about Examiner McKinney, right? 1st 2nd round prospect there.
00:37:36
Tend.
00:37:37
The Giants are gonna take him there early in the second round.
00:37:39
The 61 buck.
00:37:40
97 runs of 45 He has 58 tackles on the season, one interception and a forced fumble.
00:37:45
Ah, he has been steady and good safety for Alabama.
00:37:49
Okay, Studying good.
00:37:50
You know, I'm not knocking it one way or the other.
00:37:53
It's certainly improvement is okay.
00:37:54
But right now, when I think about having love there, you have peppers there.
00:37:58
Obviously, the thing's gonna move on, I could sing bring in a veteran there to help, you know, give a little bit of extra value.
00:38:06
This team Ah, and then think about later in the draft is certainly getting a safety.
00:38:11
We'll take a look at who they had, which was Ah, Antoine Brooks Jr as we see where he ah plays out here over the mock draft.
00:38:20
Remember? You got to go down the line here as he is.
00:38:23
Ah, round here.
00:38:26
So after you've addressed some other areas, you continue to move through, and then you get all the way down there on the back end of this one.
00:38:33
And we are talking about working down to the 19th.
00:38:35
20th ranked on, still going here as faras thes safeties are concerned.
00:38:43
What? We are really going down this list here.
00:38:51
Case.
00:38:52
That's all they're showing their Didn't see Brooks come up in this one.
00:38:57
Now, you start to think maybe this is a guy that gets it gets wrapped in underneath that Ah, cornerback category.
00:39:04
So we'll take a look here.
00:39:08
Oh, hold on a second. Hold.
00:39:10
Hold the phone.
00:39:12
Here.
00:39:13
Oh, no, that's okay.
00:39:14
I wasn't the right category there.
00:39:15
Thought I jumped around there for a second.
00:39:16
Okay, So running through these quarterbacks real quick just to see if Brooks is gonna get listed.
00:39:19
Your otherwise we touch on a later on.
00:39:21
But the point for me would be that you know, you're talking about taking a guy that late in the later around.
00:39:26
What is the quality of impact there? I'm not saying you need to go that route with him, but I don't think going back to back wider Sears is necessarily the the right choice here.
00:39:34
So as I try to just find Brooks real quick, I'm not gonna do too much heavy scanning here.
00:39:38
If I could get a little bit of look at him otherwise we'll come back in later and do it when we do.
00:39:41
Our are full of mock draft for them so and not seeing anything.
00:39:45
Listen, in the in the initial run through here, so that's OK, so we talk.
00:39:50
We talk about taking young and taking a linebacker.
00:39:53
Sorry, an offensive lineman.
00:39:55
At that point, I'd rather see you go and look, maybe at a guy like Weaver before you look to address the wide receiver position.
00:40:03
I just think that Darius latent being that product, you can get talented.
00:40:07
He's later around, so I don't want to feel like you need to jump the gun and make a commitment on again too wide receivers.
00:40:14
Ah, as I let Andy know is I've run long here now on this so we'll get out of here on this one.
00:40:22
What I will say is, we just take one last look here at this mock draft.
00:40:25
I I like.
00:40:26
I like Chase Young.
00:40:27
You know, that's a no brainer.
00:40:28
I like to then go on to the offensive line.
00:40:31
I want to play with these a little bit and just see.
00:40:33
Then where do you go at linebacker if you're picking at the top of the second there and you don't go chase for Young, all indications are lot more steam getting built up with the Giants and number two.
00:40:41
They're taking Chase Young, so if they don't go offensive lineman there again, I still look at it.
00:40:46
Then maybe even in that third in the third round pick.
00:40:49
What are we talking about? In terms of the offenses lining that we can also look out there.
00:40:53
We highlighted Guard center combos.
00:40:55
I still think you're talking about needing to replace potentially.
00:40:58
What is the future off the left tackle on right tackle position, So I wouldn't say you'll go back to back Lime in there, but But I honestly would look more in that Edwards and Claypool scenario in that fourth round selection and then depending on where we Weaver rises over the remainder of this season, go ahead and given opportunity for a player like that to come in.
00:41:18
And then that continues to help out that defensive corps.
00:41:21
That's my takeaways on this brief one.
00:41:23
What I will quickly do is before I get out the door here, uh, is when you dove down in now to a secondary one.
00:41:29
This is the fans.
00:41:30
Speak where it has compensatory picks.
00:41:32
Listen to this, and that's fine.
00:41:34
They want Chase Young.
00:41:35
His second round pick was Tricia and worse.
00:41:37
And this is where he talks about.
00:41:38
Some of these players falling that far doesn't see that being the case.
00:41:40
But then when he's there, he's gonna draft him.
00:41:42
I don't really look, that is being legitimate.
00:41:44
They again he goes Colin Johnson there down in the fourth round.
00:41:48
Fifth round goes Jake Hanson.
00:41:50
That was a player we talked about that center there out of ah, out of ah, bup up up Oregon.
00:41:57
So taking him there to address that and then you got ah, he goes safety and rusher over those over the 6/7 round, then begin to compensatory seven from picks.
00:42:07
So, you know, the Hanson pick? I do like and I think that is a reachable guy for the Giants.
00:42:13
So combining something like the little bit of a blade of these dresses, I think a guy like Hanson will be available.
00:42:18
Maybe you take a Hanson and you take this earlier round pick using it on a lineman.
00:42:22
And now you're talking about getting to quality players in there to help, uh, build out the depth, give someone who could.
00:42:28
Maybe challenging behind a Nate soldier.
00:42:30
If Hernandez isn't going to work out a long term, be ready to move someone else into that role and have some flexibility at the center guard position across the line.
00:42:38
So I would like that.
00:42:39
And then just to talk about, you know, drafting, remember, 98 is that pick their in the third round.
00:42:46
So you're talking about the the back end third round pick, and that's where I think again you're talking about for me.
00:42:52
I would go weaver there, and then I will go into the wide receiver category for four.
00:42:56
So just to give you a sense of where I would maybe think to go a little, a little, a little sporadic here, kind of jumping around.
00:43:01
Obviously, we highlighted where this offensive line was looking on the pro football focus that I'm gonna come back in later today.
00:43:07
Gotta jump off, take care of any macaroons and one giant podcast recording.
00:43:11
It'll come out later.
00:43:12
Probably highlight some of these things on there as well.
00:43:14
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00:43:16
New content reflecting on what we saw in this Green Bay Packers game.
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00:43:38
I'll be coming back to you later today, most likely in the evening hours to go ahead and dive in a little bit on this secondary and then also flesh out.
00:43:46
We'll start to take a look at just giving you the recap of where my big board stands from a positional standpoint.
00:43:51
What do I think the Giants should address? Assuming no matter which way you go, if it's young first or it's Thomas in that first high round pick, where do you go acts that to fill out this roster over the rest of the draft? Thank you so much for checking in with us here in the early afternoon hour.
00:44:06
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00:44:08
Hopefully, we'll see all there.
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We come to you here on a Tuesday in the early afternoon, a couple of notes just around the team that I want to go over and then some interesting things regarding the upcoming draft.
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SportsNation came out and did a couple of individual mock draft, but one of them gives us a little more insight than the secondary one, as that involves a compensatory picks and a lot of information going to that we're not really sure about, um, and one of the pick selections that they give their is certainly a player that I don't necessarily think would be available at that time, So one has a little more value than the other.
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But initially, I want to go back in like we had mentioned on Sunday on the Sunday broadcast and take a look at the pro football focus.
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Now that's a couple of days later.
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Should have some updates on that offensive line play and how they've looked and whether or not Hernandez how a P o needs soldiers, certainly, uh, Roemer's there on the outside and even the best one that we've had so far in sight Lor the right garp.
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Is it Sarah Jones performing here another week down into the season? Obviously, the Giants lose this last match up.
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One of the news and notes we highlighted, you know it's Jenkins after the game, talking about how he felt like he isn't traveling around the field anymore, getting himself locked in with the number one wide receiver.
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Ah, Patrick came out and said a couple of things in regards to that mention that he came from Minnesota, where that certainly wasn't have a scheme there defensively, and uh, and then also the overall I thought, which, you know, depending on which way you want to go.
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Is the New York Giants fan, obviously now even more getting out there on social media about how now it's time for a gentleman to be gone, and we need to start doing what the Jets were doing a few weeks ago in flying planes over stadiums to communicate our message.
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But, you know, Shurmur did say he thinks that Jenkins is.
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It's certainly an emotional player, not a nice the negative, but just he's an emotional player.
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It's a reaction after the game, yet had a chance to talk to him directly.
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But I do give Patrick or credit for not maybe taking a dig at his player.
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Ah, and trying to, as we've highlighted, keep this team still feeling like they can win.
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Games can be competitive, can do things certainly well in practice and then on game day.
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So ultimately, that kind of goes by the wayside.
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And I do think that Jenkins is one of the vocal leaders are certainly vocal players in the locker room because he has.
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He does have one of the longer 10 years on this roster and is obviously the one veteran cornerback currently on the roster as well.
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Other interesting notes to would be Carl Banks, who has Everyone knows you could get a lot of, AH, reaction and ****ysis from him when you're talking about Ah, the Giants on game day and then, of course, in game review times.
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I think you have a lot of nice insights there and speaking about where the Giants currently are and whether or not you're talking about talent or scheme on the defensive side of the ball.
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You know, one of the quotes that we have from hitting here over on Twitter.
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Responding to a question was, it is fair to ask ourselves if the team cannot stop the same plays crossing routes in two seasons.
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Is it a scheme or players? If teams continue to target Haley and you give no help, is it scheme or players? Same things equal. Same results.
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So I think there is something in that when we talk about, obviously, the entire coaching roster is up for grabs here.
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We don't hear Shula mentioned because he's not doing the offensive play calling at this point.
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Ah, but you know better, you say when they first bring him in.
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Then last year.
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There's a lot of this mixed, mixed roster there.
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Do they have the town, the players to effectively run the scheme that he wants to? Dave Gettleman flushes out A lot of those players, brings in some new talent.
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You get a guy like Sam Bill back healthy on this roster, obviously for the last couple of weeks, but then when some of the same things keep happening, you have to say, does better have the ability to make in game adjustments.
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And Andy and I have highlighted this on the podcast at times where if you're going to give up opening touchdowns time and time again, as we saw a handful for a stretch there with 45 games in a row being down 14.
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Nothing 17.
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Nothing in games for this defense.
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If after that first drive, you don't come back and can't make some adjustments.
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At what point do you say this defensive coordinator? While you may have a nice scheme in place if you don't have the highest level of talent, then you're going to struggle to execute.
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I think you could even, you know, go back to the Steve packed Spagnola days, where when you have all of those talented players up front, it really makes everything works so much better in that secondary.
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I think the Giants do have some town across this defensive line, and yet you do have to take that step back and say, OK, you know, we're on average from a talent standpoint, maybe below average, whatever it may be.
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You still want to find coordinators and head coaches that can come in and get the most out of those players, maximize what they do well.
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And you do look at an adjustment where you see now with Peel back healthy, him and Baker doing a bit of a time share there at the cornerback position.
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I think that is a smart move, right.
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You probably didn't want to see Baker going rate in there and starting immediately even as a first round pick.
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I think any of these guys and Daniel Jones first round pick, but you want to give them as much time as you feel like you can before you get him out there on the field.
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Ah, and certainly learning in the film room and on the practice field would've been nice for Baker.
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Now you get to content that little step back and we will keep an eye on maybe where we think Baker, how he plays out and how he gets raided out over what will be a slightly less number of snaps.
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I think it was about 60 42 weeks, two games to go with the check for this past one as well.
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But you're giving him the opportunity to put in the better positions, right? Go in there and play some physical presence.
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And then when you expect or you're looking for some deeper rats to get run a little more length from Sam, be a little more athleticism there.
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And maybe he matches up better in some of those spots as well.
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So those are some follow ups on that.
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We are gonna dive into the second daring and talk about free agents and talk about the upcoming draft as well.
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I'm gonna come back in later today as I have just a bit of a hectic schedule, but I want to make sure I came on here.
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Ah, and immaculate and myself are gonna be getting on a little after 2 p.
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m.
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Today with one another to record our next podcast episode, which will be out there for you guys this evening and then going into Wednesday and Thursday.
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Those updates will come back in later in the week, and And just bring four into that information that we touch on today so you can check for that.
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It'll be out later this afternoon, early evening.
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So make sure you keep an eye out for that as ah, I have a few questions to ask.
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Abandon will try to get his insights and see where I'm landing on that.
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Ah, we take a look first at the pro football focus here just to see if we get any updates.
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And actually, I think it was one other Carl Banks.
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I wanted to take a look at here before we move on from it.
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Um, in response to ah Twitter question about in regards execution and the talent, those kinds of things, Carl Banks responding well, so basically is posing execution was bad, but the talent is incapable to perform the planned execution anyway.
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You're basically saying, even if the scheme isn't necessarily what it should be, the talent level still isn't what it needs to be to be able to even execute what the alleged plan would be.
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A lot of layers do right, Carl Banks, coming back to it, said.
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The issue for me is how talent is developed within the scheme and how a scheme adapts to its talent.
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I currently see no cohesion, a lack of execution in basic zone concepts, glaring holes in man concepts, successful please, against a defense that fails to adjust.
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So ah, and then Carl does Dio.
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If you follow the Giants, you do see him break down some film.
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Obviously, when Bob Papa, when they get on their over the course of a week following a game so we can find a lot of footage there and I'll dive into some of that and that'll probably something that I'll give a little more insight about what I see there want to talk to Andy later tonight and then on our Friday episode as well, we'll touch back on that and certainly heading into what will be the Monday night match with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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We'll take a look at all these kind of defensive things, and then I'll come on to Sports Caster here and try to break down.
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If what I can surmise whether or not it is scheme, is it players isn't the combination of both and then ultimately, you know, for me right now, I look at it, I do kind of stand on the side of Carl Banks here where you're talking about, Okay, the talent level, maybe what it is.
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But you also do need to be as a defensive coordinator as a head coach, able to say Fine, we're a little deficient in these areas.
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But what is my best way to utilize what I have and to avoid some of those big plays that we've seen deep touchdown pass for Aaron Rodgers over the middle? And I felt like a complete breakdown with only having Antoine Buffet back there on that.
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Wants a lot of opportunities, really looks Ogle treat, breaking out of his assignment there early in the game of his own coverage as we highlighted last time we were on.
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So there's some things here that I think for me personally.
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I do still.
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Ah, I stand on the side of it.
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Is the coordinator not necessarily the players of the talent level, because I think that these guys remember coming out of the draft.
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A guy like Baker was regarded pretty highly coming out of college when the Giants got back in the first round.
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Felt like, uh, most most pundits.
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You know, most guys on the networks were saying this was, ah, nice move from them.
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You talk about a guy like Corey Valentine or like Love, who is now getting some time, their safety.
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You know, these are guys that in the moment people felt pretty high on, So I think that still bears out, and now it may come down to how they're being utilized.
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But we'll get a little bit deep, dive on that and come back later in the week on some of those thoughts.
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What I do want to take a look at now is rebooting the pro football focus rating.
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Go through these lines real quick.
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I'm fairly, ah, familiar with where these players stood head into the Packers game, so we'll just go ahead and walk rate down the line on them.
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I just want todo down the offensive line that is and just give you exactly what we're seeing here across the board who has improved themselves or who has taken a step back another week. Moving forward.
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If you were with us previously heading into that matchup, we talked about how you saw Hernandez jalopy.
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Oh, even soldier who was the second highest rated player on the line.
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In spite of his struggles, we're all taking steps back over the last two weeks in terms of pro football focus ratings you may have felt early in this game.
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I noticed one got away from the Giants in the fourth quarter, essentially down four going into the fourth quarter.
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But you saw some relative early success running between the tackles.
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For sake, woman Barkley.
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We go ahead and get inside these numbers and we'll just walk right down the line, starting at left tackle and give an update of where these players now stand.
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So if you have been with us, you know that two weeks ago our three gonna be three games ago, Nate Soldier was coming in at a 67 nearly 68 pro football focus rating simple is this.
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He is now to 65.7.
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Last week he was at 66 change.
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So he is steadily going in the wrong direction.
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It means that he is taking a step back, is continuing to take that step back, and then and only that this is a line that is not getting better over the course of the season.
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Rated as a 60 coming into this game, down from the previous week from about a 61 or 62 I think it was for well, Hernandez.
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Now Rayna's a 59.3.
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If that number is coming down from 60 you know, it feels like a relatively small amount in terms of his rating, you certainly have to associate that is being a very bad performance, then, is to continue to bring that number down by a significant margin.
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There seem like a lot, but to me, that is.
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And also it makes three straight weeks since we've been tracking this information that he is trending in the wrong direction.
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Three weeks ago jalape 51 point Sorry, 50 almost 55 Last week 54 Little Under 53 change now stands out of 51.
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8 rating again.
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Not doing what he needs to be doing here.
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Ah, on this offensive line trending in the wrong direction, we move over and raid on down the line to Zeiler at the right guard position now rating out at a 73.4.
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Ah, I would have to double back.
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Here we go.
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I know this is gonna go back a little ways.
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So Zeitler actually continuing to progress a few weeks ago he was at 71.
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1, now finds himself up at 73.4.
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So he the best player that we found in this line all year is continuing to perform well, in spite of the fact that what's going on to the left of him, eyes getting worse and worse on a week to week basis.
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Finally, we take a look at Mike remembers there at the right tackle position a few weeks ago when we looked at him, he raided out of the 60 61.2.
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He is now. It is 52.9.
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So he has at least performed a little bit better for you.
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Obviously, it could be a product of the improved play from sight ler.
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But rumors right now, you know, still Ah, an area with five penalties, three sacks allowed in the season.
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This is still gonna be a position that the Giants need to address for May.
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Right tackle position.
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Try to figure out how to get better.
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We did highlight this on off the podcast that I talked about it here on my previous sportscasts about the possibility that if Nate Soldier who, like we said you know, isn't rating out well and it's trending in the wrong direction.
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But if you kicked him around because of the contract that he currently has with the team, if you can't come around to the right side and then still brought in competition for him.
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But if he's going to be on the roster, you're gonna move on from members, you might as well shift him over to the right side, give him an opportunity to compete there and see if you could even play.
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If you play to the same level that he does right now, not just show the best thing to be asking for, but if you were able to keep that kind of consistency.
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Then maybe you say OK, it's still be an improvement, right to be playing better than what the ratings were saying about rumors right now.
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And then You bring in a new piece there on the left side and, uh, and you kind of take it from there were policing and rebuilding that lets out of line.
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Biggest concern for me here has to be Hernandez display Hernandez.
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Is it Will Hernandez has struggled so far this season.
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We've highlighted, especially in pass protection.
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Gets called back on his heels.
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He has that short region short range, and so far it looks like that.
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Certainly, from past protection standpoint, there has been regression this year.
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You combine that with being surrounded by regressing Nate Soldier, who's given up nine sacks on the year jalape o who's not nearly the player that the Giants thought he was going to be coming back into this season.
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And all of a sudden you have big problems and big concerns on 3/5 of your line.
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I mean right now regards whether or not you move, soldier, what happens there? You are talking about moving on from free 3/5 of this line, potentially over the next offseason and draft.
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And even if you do keep a player like Hernandez around, then you're still talking about going into next season, thinking we have serious concerns.
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Because if he does not show improvement with some new pieces alongside him, then you have to start to wonder if we need to replace the left guard position now and then.
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You look, you know where everything lines up across the board.
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So still gonna be a lot of concerns.
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Your and regards about Hernandez.
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You keep him around, even if you still replacing the right tackle potentially was swinging soldier over there that is still replacing your right tackle and then had to replace the left tackle annual to adjust the center.
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So these are the concerns certainly that we're seeing.
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And all the numbers are telling you that the left side of this line is well, along with jalape o has struggled.
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They continue to struggle and they continue to be trending in the wrong direction on a week to week basis.
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And this also then goes back into Ah, the idea about what is Ah, stay calm.
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Barkley doing for you.
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Has he been struggling? Staying between the tackles, Getting you had that e I can't put anything on his feet until I see what this offensive line can be improved to through new players.
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I mean, that's the bottom line.
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I need to see it.
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At least two new players coming in here.
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Ah, the reason why we touch base is because we wanted to take a look here at AA Sportsnation.
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And this is Ah, excuse me.
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Make sure that I give credit where credit is due.
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This is Ah, Chris plum over there on Ah sportsnation.
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He went up.
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It had to actually seven round mock drafts.
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The difference here being is that ah, one of them is a little more loosely based.
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And from his own assessment that in those mock drafts tends to see a lot of players that are more highly rated slide from time to time, which dictates a little bit of confusing terms.
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As far as where you think you can really target players.
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That being said, the reason why I want to touch on it was and both of his draft He goes this way.
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You start to get more and more steam in and around this I can make the case for the tackle.
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We talked about this with highlighted Thomas, some of these other players, but he's looking at Chase Young, that edge rusher out of there.
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You follow that up at the early second round pick with a player in Ah, that is Tyler.
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Bide as and this is And this is the interior linemen coming out of Wisconsin.
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So I want to touch on him because as we go back and think about where we had looked Ah, and a secondary mock draft.
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He did go with Hanson, the player that we had recommended of the center.
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That was, I think, in time in the fifth round.
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So he's talking 4th 5th round area for ah, guy like that.
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And he was the center that we thought, Ah has solid technique and also is gonna give you, um, you know, good experience, combined with the technique to be able to come in, compete and possibly take over that role in competition in the off season against Hal Appeal.
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So we highlight this before need to bring in body, so certainly feels good, at least for this guy to have gone through there and identified a player that I think could have some value for the Giants in the draft and ah, and really given opportunity to improve the position.
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Now that's a little bit later.
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The selection's up.
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We talk about the center there.
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I want to just get I want to get exactly what Chris had listed up.
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And that Waas his feeling is that, and on the mock draft that he plays in the first round, five offensive tackles go.
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So you're talking about the Thomas is the worst.
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The Jacksons, your players along that line well, along with a couple others that have gone.
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And so by time you get to that second round, you can't necessarily draft left tackle because a handful of them have gone.
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Then you've got to take a look in on ah, highlighting but days and you say this is a guy who thinks could be a Top 20 prospects.
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So maybe there's an opportunity based on team needs.
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As you look around this draft and it's always gonna happen, and along the offensive line, you can certainly see it happen where some of these players can fall for you.
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And then the Giants have an opportunity to address an issue of need at the second round when, maybe you would think if you had been in the first round later on, you would take a flier on a player like this instead.
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Again, you get the opportunity to dive right in trying to take a look here on the Taiwan Try guest sense of where these prospects were falling looking over on ah, sporting news just to get an idea as to where they may look to go.
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We're talking about this inside line men.
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It'll take me a minute just to kind of find it here.
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And as I d'oh we will say is, um if Young is going to be that first player that you take and we'll highlight through the rest of his draft here real quick, He then goes, uh, Justin Jefferson and Brian Edwards back to back picks out of L S. U.
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And out of South Carolina certainly get my phone appears.
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So I have this accurately.
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And then also Ah, Antonio Brooks, the safety.
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Ah.
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Then he goes with Labonte Taylor, the cornerback followed up by Runyon late in the draft there out of Michigan.
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So at a glance.
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Excuse me. Have a sneeze.
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I'm trying to fight off here.
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Made it.
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I made the lead.
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It remains like this one rip way Go.
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Sorry about that.
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Um so as you look at a glance at this, though, what are we talking about? Right? If the address is gonna be the play, I think that it makes sense that you go from edge rusher, and then you immediately go into the offensive line to try to help that these your two biggest positions of need as we've highlighted.
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And you could flip flop, either whether you want to do it.
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Obviously, all the indications are everyone says that Young is gonna be a transcendent player, and I'm totally fine with it.
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Taking it.
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I do think that then you do want that early pick in the second round to immediately go to addressing, uh, the offensive line and bring in players.
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Do you think compete at a high level and take over a roll and get plus in one of these margins? And in this instance, they're looking at how appeal the issue that I have with the wide receiver court.
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Now I understand a couple areas of it.
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One Sterling Shepherd, though, is back on the field and playing, and we've been highlighting how we're happy that he is back and healthy.
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You do have to at least consider the idea.
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This is a guy that long term health could be a concern.
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Also, the fact that we know that while I certainly like him and I think that he can impact the game, I think that he is a high to borderline one talent in the NFL level.
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We seen the way he's impacted was back on the would have been on the field of healthy.
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Ultimately, the redundancies that you have across this roster with Golden Tate Shepherd basically Shepherd being the younger version of Golden Tate and Golden Tate on Lee is going to get older and obviously start to lose that step a little bit.
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I love what we've seen from variously, and I think it gives you a little more physicality and size construct that field, but now you do want right.
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It was one of two things.
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More speed on the outside, you know, Allah, Odell Beckham, when you had him or getting that bigger bodied receiver in the door that helps you to stretch this field and gives you an opportunity to make some big plays now to go back into it real quick here.
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This will take me a second to find, ah, the wide receivers that I want to highlight a ce faras.
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The Giants were concerned.
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I went some leader around picks here.
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I personally look at the wide receiving corps with obviously the caveat being, what happens within Evan Ingram.
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Some people have said maybe it's time that they move on from him.
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You just start looking at getting value back, and then you think about a guy like we've seen the way Smith has looked strong, you know? I mean Daniel Jones.
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Emilie gets a report him not remotely the same type of tight end.
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But you know, the reality is when you and you can utilize a tight end and you can get these guys in the later rounds, it's still have them be effective.
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Go see Kittles out there in San Francisco.
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Having used to pick this high on a player like that, I think was probably a mistake in the big picture of things at the time that he was taken.
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And now if you could get any type of reasonable value out of him, I would be okay with them moving on from him.
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And then you start to say, Well, if you're going to move on from him there now, you look back into the track and think about the idea of Is there now another wide receiver that we want to bring into this? Do we feel like we need to bolster up? Are receiving corps.
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But But again, I don't know how high you want to take it.
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And you are talking about 3rd 4th round picks.
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These are highlighted.
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Now is the 98th 130th pick.
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Overall, I need you.
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Here we go.
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Finally got there.
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So in terms of the guys that we're talking about wanting to bring in, right, Ah, highlighting guys like Chanel it out of Colorado, we highlighted Colin Johnson out of Texas.
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Jalen Reagor out of TCU of the big names that I liked were Chase Claypool and then also ah yet give Gery there in the both in 2 to 4 round range.
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So what? I want to take a look at real quick is where if this full draft comes up here where exactly it looked like some of these other receivers would be going Because for me and, uh, see if I can dive in here on these wide receivers and just address what we saw when we were talking about those top 50 As we dove in on some of these wide receivers to do there, we saw Henry drugs, of course, at Alabama, that was getting a little bit there.
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So let me see if I can pull up.
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Ah, 2020 NFL draft wide receiver.
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Okay, so when we talk about looking over just some of what we're seeing here, I want to know if we can find I want to compare him to the players that we were talking about previously in the wide receiver pool.
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So now we start to dive down this list, right? The two players that they were listing for us work Justin Jefferson and Brian Edwards.
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So, first up, Justin Jefferson out of L s U six foot three buck 92 45 40 time protected to go anywhere from one to third round.
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We're seeing him here listed in the third update at the end of November.
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Ah, he's been having a strong season.
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75 catches, 1037 yards, 12 touchdowns.
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He had 54 catches the year prior with 8 75 and six score.
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So moving in the right direction has the lengths to go up with some quickness.
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And athleticism has its hunt of upside.
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That's what this guy that's the scouting report, is on him to make plays downfield and have mismatches with length.
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Ah, and to take on defensive backs to get over the top of them at 63 obviously gives us more size to go along with various late in the compliment of a Sterling Shepard has been steady, steady and big play play producer.
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Now, the interesting thing is, you're to write the emergence of Burroughs of Borough. Sorry, Joe Burrow.
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It certainly has to play a role here, as I almost throw some of my tech to the floor here, but that has to play a role, right? All of a sudden, you're seeing the value may be of a Justin Jefferson when he now has a talented quarterback that has just exploded this season and giving you a real opportunity to take a look at him and see what he might be capable of.
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So I certainly am not against that type against that selection.
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My curiosity, though again, is going to be Where do you then know? Full.
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As we continue to look down the list here and go for it, go for Edwards, which is gonna take us down a ways a little bit more.
00:25:30
And just so you know, a guy like Tae Higgins that we were talking about, one of the previous ones, you're you know, he right now is falling in behind.
00:25:40
Ah, sorry.
00:25:41
Behind Justin Jefferson there.
00:25:43
Justin Jefferson.
00:25:44
Currently listed as thea seventh overall wide receiver in the draft class.
00:25:50
Right.
00:25:51
So we continue to work down this year, and as we find for Edwards, and then I'm just gonna compare him to Of course, the one that I would that I am interested in that is Claypool.
00:25:59
Claypool list is the 15th right? So now, as we continue to move down the list on Lee, a couple spots behind them at 17th is Brian Edwards.
00:26:06
So if you were listening to us on that one, let's go ahead and give you the rundown on both of these players where they stand.
00:26:11
Latest update.
00:26:12
Coming right at the end of November.
00:26:14
So obviously the Internet is current is possible here.
00:26:16
Ah, Edward.
00:26:17
Six foot 3458 40 Time to 20 projected to go in that third to four round range, and that's right where they have him going here on this particular mock draft.
00:26:27
Ah, end of November says that he has been playing from playing well for the Game****s.
00:26:31
2019 now is up to 71 catches, 800 yards, Um, and six touchdowns has computed well against Alabama with a tough performance.
00:26:41
Edwards is a Polish receiver, has quickness, has size and has run after the catch skills so that six foot three good size, decent speed not want to be a burner.
00:26:53
But I think one of the things we are talking about when you look at water see for any position for the Giants is of course, how are you going to address having guy that comes in ready to play? I think they find that diamond rough and Darius leading has been certainly a nice surprise for the Giants and one that they could start to us going forward.
00:27:07
And now, if you bring in a Polish wide receiver in the draft, how can that help elevate the players around him? We slide back up to Notre Dame here and Chase Claypool at the 15th spot.
00:27:17
Reason why I like Tim 45 feet.
00:27:19
Maybe a little bit faster than a guy like Edwards.
00:27:24
Mmm.
00:27:25
By step or two, Claypool has made some impressive runs after the catch this season.
00:27:30
He's a big receiver, tough and dangerous with the ball in his hands.
00:27:33
He has 56 catches for a 28 10 touchdowns.
00:27:36
If you were a little bit faster, he would be a first rounder in the 2020 draft.
00:27:40
So the reason why, if I'm the New York Giants, you look at that and say, OK, so he has all the skills that they use a little bit faster.
00:27:46
We certainly would love it right if you move on from from heaven.
00:27:49
Ingram, possibly over the offseason.
00:27:50
Maybe then you start to think about what's the best fit for us.
00:27:53
But given that he's at the same speed, has an extra inch of height, a little more weight on him, and it certainly shown some ability with a ball in his hands to make some plays after the catch.
00:28:03
I still look at him.
00:28:05
If he were to be available, I still likely people.
00:28:07
I will highlight Edwards here.
00:28:10
And this will be another name that we're gonna add to the big board of for the New York football giants just so that we can keep an eye on these players as we go forward.
00:28:19
The interesting thing for me is again.
00:28:21
I had highlighted Claypool there.
00:28:23
This is, you know, talking about potentially 1/4 round pick.
00:28:26
Edwards falling in behind him a little bit.
00:28:28
So will he still be available? The guy like late will still be there.
00:28:33
That's certainly debatable.
00:28:34
My concern right now when you talk about going to Justin Jefferson, my issue there is you're talking about 1/3 round pick at a position that to me when you go through the hierarchy, I don't know if I can have this mock draft play out where you see you go.
00:28:53
You go defense at rush hour.
00:28:54
Chase Young. Fantastic.
00:28:56
You go with the interior offensive line number two.
00:28:59
I think it makes total sense.
00:29:00
But now to say that you're going to go down and go wide receiver, wide receiver back to backgrounds When I would say potentially another cornerback or secondary player, they ve obviously goes into safety and cornerback at those next two picks.
00:29:13
But for me, you know, flip, flop these a little bit.
00:29:16
I think getting a safety in the door would make a lot of sense.
00:29:19
Now, I know that love is getting a nice run here, and maybe they're gonna start to look at this in the off season and say our love and peppers, two players that could get alongside each other there buffet is no longer in the picture.
00:29:27
Okay, that's certainly reasonable.
00:29:30
But I again would still look at the linebacker position and say, Where else come to get a little bit healthier? There is gold in 100% gonna come back with us.
00:29:39
We're gonna give him that a new contract.
00:29:41
How how much of a team deal will be? How much will it cost us? Right.
00:29:45
And that you were getting in the door in free agency is gonna play a big factor.
00:29:48
I will say, as we highlighted the last time.
00:29:50
Not a lot of wide receivers out there in terms of players you might want to target.
00:29:54
You know, we enlisted the last last time we talked about right.
00:29:56
Devante Parker down in Miami, Robbie Anderson for the for the Jets, Geronimo, Allison and Green Day.
00:30:02
I got some things going on there.
00:30:03
Then you talked about some bigger names that maybe only moving teams injury playing last couple last 23 years for A J.
00:30:09
Green and Cincinnati.
00:30:10
Is he coming back? That is obviously a team in the rebuilding.
00:30:13
Would we really be looking to bring on that kind of player? I doubt it.
00:30:17
And then a guy like Josh Gordon of Seattle, though I would assume they got him in the door there, that they would maybe like to bring him back.
00:30:23
And certainly so from that standpoint, I do get the idea of needing to were wanting to address this wide receiver position in the draft to give you new death.
00:30:31
I already highlighted on this last one, will go through one more time for you here.
00:30:35
You know you have shepherd sleeping and tape Shepherd through 2024 take and slating through 2023 could move.
00:30:41
It happened with Kate in the off season, certainly.
00:30:43
But let's assume that those three guys were there.
00:30:45
Fowler, Latimer, bushels.
00:30:47
Russel Shepard, these Air guys that I think I love Shepherd and what he's done for us.
00:30:51
I think Fowler is just, you know, a veteran player who is interchangeable and doesn't necessarily give you any dynamic that maybe he could do something for you in a big spot in a big game.
00:31:00
And it isn't necessarily same contributor in terms of the US of special teams.
00:31:05
And that's why you saw him out.
00:31:07
And they brought in.
00:31:08
Ah, Scott back in, I actually confuse him.
00:31:10
I was watching the game, thought that he had been gone, gave the same number up.
00:31:13
So we already know that Fowler was out, and that's a player that we highlighted on moving on from we now pen in there or pencil in, at least for this point, Scott back into this roster who had been with them in the in the off season and then gets a chance here to, ah, have some of those return duties.
00:31:27
A guy like Russel Shepard again, these air, even cold Corey Coleman is maybe a player that I thought you still hold on to.
00:31:34
And because of that, then maybe in this draft, you look and say, Well, if we brought Coleman back and you can come back healthy from his injury again has speak and stretch the fields could give you special teams play.
00:31:44
That means that Russel Shepard doesn't necessarily need to be back.
00:31:48
A guy like Cody Cores show you some things on special teams as well.
00:31:51
Not in the return button coverage, punt and kickoff coverage.
00:31:54
So now you're talking about the three main guys you add in Seo Coleman and you add in, Let's just say a core.
00:32:01
And I'm not even that neither one of these guys is a make or break for me.
00:32:03
But if you kept those two and Latimer Shepherd Toby back on the practice squad, probably that's fine.
00:32:09
Scott, We're Fowler, Scott fellow.
00:32:10
Whatever that players onto your at five with someone on the practice squad Now, I still think going at the fourth round as opposed to the third.
00:32:18
I think you can get away with that.
00:32:20
I don't think the biggest issue is wide receiver here, and that's where I start to say, you know, going for either in Edward's or or a Claypool.
00:32:26
But looking more in the fourth round for that kind of pick makes a little bit more sense to me.
00:32:30
And then that way, as we had highlighted going into some of these linebackers that I like the job.
00:32:37
Bochy's the Patty Fisher and then my favorite guy, and I actually would like to take a look at the updated big boards here for this as well as we kind of crossed over some of these positions we talked about.
00:32:48
How how do we want to build this idea for the off season for the New York football Giants? Where do you want to see them get better through free agency in the draft? Evan Weaver out of California? This is a guy that I really like because of his versatility.
00:33:00
Inside.
00:33:01
Outside.
00:33:02
Big enough at 2 45 63 can get out on the edge, for you can come inside, has a national love enough shooting athleticism to go back into coverage of times if need be.
00:33:12
I really like this piece for the Giants now.
00:33:15
It's just a matter of where does this guy rank out overall? So if I pull up here, I try to just I wanted to try to bring up the, uh here we go.
00:33:29
So we go back into this into the NFL draft here, try to see what we think is going to go on right now.
00:33:36
It is Chase Young to the Giants and in the mock draft that we look over on Walter football dot com.
00:33:40
Then you run through some of these other names.
00:33:42
That's the number two pick overall.
00:33:43
But let's move down that list and just see as it looks like, the only currently maybe working Thio other goes to 17 to 32.
00:33:55
Let's see what we get there.
00:33:58
I just want to find out.
00:34:00
Ah, if you think any jumps here overall in these mock drafts and so far, so good, by the way, when you're doing these SportsCastrs and then and running through your computer like this, you've got to make sure you're reboot that computers every so often to give yourself an opportunity.
00:34:14
For example, a guy like Justin Jeffrey's over Ah Jefferson Sorry from L s u 29th in this in the first round So that's also part of this, too, saying that maybe they thought that far of a difference.
00:34:25
But if the team is gonna take a look at and go to the Saints in this particular draft, you know, if you're if you're looking around, you may potentially see whether or not these players, even going to be active, are available for them.
00:34:37
Eso as we continue to work through now, going into that second round, they talk about for the Giants and this again at 36 over on this particular draft.
00:34:45
Talk about going Lyman.
00:34:46
I'm fine with that.
00:34:47
This draft has been looking at McKinney, the safety out of Alabama.
00:34:50
So again, this is the opportunity to maybe pair somebody with him and for me personally either way and rusher hydration, Ruffins tackle first and second round has to be the flip flop if there's a quality player available there, but for right now what? I just want to try to see how far down you could expect.
00:35:08
Maybe the have an opportunity to get a player like Weaver in the door for you, because that, to me, is a big opportunity for the New York football Giants. to solidify.
00:35:18
Ah, position of versatility for them that can help make the entire defense better.
00:35:23
Along with you Think about if you get a chase Young and number two there.
00:35:27
Now, all of a sudden you're talking about turning rain around and really having a great chance to have ah turned this defense pretty quickly here.
00:35:35
So bear with me as I just try to cycle down here seeing how far he falls and this is nice.
00:35:39
The further than I go now into the third round is the better that things look from a giant's perspective about where these players air going Thio going to, you know, come to bear s.
00:35:49
So we're now moving all the way down towards the back end even in the third round, and he said, It's a player gets highlighted anywhere from 2 to 4 range is kind of where you're thinking he may go.
00:36:00
And so they go is so they go through 1st 3 rounds here, it looks like, and to that point when that that's fine, right? That's okay.
00:36:08
That means that this is a player that you might be OD eight, that fourth round spot.
00:36:11
So in the big picture of things.
00:36:14
Looking over this particular mock draft, I'm okay with saying, you know, you take young there at the first pick.
00:36:22
If you tell me that the second pick is going to be alignment of some kind, Okay.
00:36:29
Now, with that third pick, I'm I would rather be looking at going to a guy like like Weaver or along those lines that's going to again improve the team.
00:36:41
I can also take a look at possibly a cornerback slash safety that hybrid.
00:36:45
Some of these save the players to gotta remember they're falling.
00:36:48
Is that hybrid roll coming down to the box? So when you see a mock draft that has them taking a safety here, that should bode well for you, depending on what that looks like from a from a scouting standpoint.
00:37:01
So let's dive in real quick here, taking a look at these safety positions, right? I want to know how this safety grades out and what the expectations are for him as to how he would look plugged in here.
00:37:12
Is he coming down into the box for you? Is it allowed peppers to stay a little more ranging on the back side of things.
00:37:17
It's on.
00:37:18
Julian Love. Certainly doing some nice things.
00:37:20
I thought in this past week, in and around the line of scrimmage, when it comes to Ah! Run, run, run! Help! There! Okay, so 2020.
00:37:27
Let's get into the safe.
00:37:28
He's real quick and see where they graded out.
00:37:30
Ah, for the Giants.
00:37:32
So talk about Examiner McKinney, right? 1st 2nd round prospect there.
00:37:36
Tend.
00:37:37
The Giants are gonna take him there early in the second round.
00:37:39
The 61 buck.
00:37:40
97 runs of 45 He has 58 tackles on the season, one interception and a forced fumble.
00:37:45
Ah, he has been steady and good safety for Alabama.
00:37:49
Okay, Studying good.
00:37:50
You know, I'm not knocking it one way or the other.
00:37:53
It's certainly improvement is okay.
00:37:54
But right now, when I think about having love there, you have peppers there.
00:37:58
Obviously, the thing's gonna move on, I could sing bring in a veteran there to help, you know, give a little bit of extra value.
00:38:06
This team Ah, and then think about later in the draft is certainly getting a safety.
00:38:11
We'll take a look at who they had, which was Ah, Antoine Brooks Jr as we see where he ah plays out here over the mock draft.
00:38:20
Remember? You got to go down the line here as he is.
00:38:23
Ah, round here.
00:38:26
So after you've addressed some other areas, you continue to move through, and then you get all the way down there on the back end of this one.
00:38:33
And we are talking about working down to the 19th.
00:38:35
20th ranked on, still going here as faras thes safeties are concerned.
00:38:43
What? We are really going down this list here.
00:38:51
Case.
00:38:52
That's all they're showing their Didn't see Brooks come up in this one.
00:38:57
Now, you start to think maybe this is a guy that gets it gets wrapped in underneath that Ah, cornerback category.
00:39:04
So we'll take a look here.
00:39:08
Oh, hold on a second. Hold.
00:39:10
Hold the phone.
00:39:12
Here.
00:39:13
Oh, no, that's okay.
00:39:14
I wasn't the right category there.
00:39:15
Thought I jumped around there for a second.
00:39:16
Okay, So running through these quarterbacks real quick just to see if Brooks is gonna get listed.
00:39:19
Your otherwise we touch on a later on.
00:39:21
But the point for me would be that you know, you're talking about taking a guy that late in the later around.
00:39:26
What is the quality of impact there? I'm not saying you need to go that route with him, but I don't think going back to back wider Sears is necessarily the the right choice here.
00:39:34
So as I try to just find Brooks real quick, I'm not gonna do too much heavy scanning here.
00:39:38
If I could get a little bit of look at him otherwise we'll come back in later and do it when we do.
00:39:41
Our are full of mock draft for them so and not seeing anything.
00:39:45
Listen, in the in the initial run through here, so that's OK, so we talk.
00:39:50
We talk about taking young and taking a linebacker.
00:39:53
Sorry, an offensive lineman.
00:39:55
At that point, I'd rather see you go and look, maybe at a guy like Weaver before you look to address the wide receiver position.
00:40:03
I just think that Darius latent being that product, you can get talented.
00:40:07
He's later around, so I don't want to feel like you need to jump the gun and make a commitment on again too wide receivers.
00:40:14
Ah, as I let Andy know is I've run long here now on this so we'll get out of here on this one.
00:40:22
What I will say is, we just take one last look here at this mock draft.
00:40:25
I I like.
00:40:26
I like Chase Young.
00:40:27
You know, that's a no brainer.
00:40:28
I like to then go on to the offensive line.
00:40:31
I want to play with these a little bit and just see.
00:40:33
Then where do you go at linebacker if you're picking at the top of the second there and you don't go chase for Young, all indications are lot more steam getting built up with the Giants and number two.
00:40:41
They're taking Chase Young, so if they don't go offensive lineman there again, I still look at it.
00:40:46
Then maybe even in that third in the third round pick.
00:40:49
What are we talking about? In terms of the offenses lining that we can also look out there.
00:40:53
We highlighted Guard center combos.
00:40:55
I still think you're talking about needing to replace potentially.
00:40:58
What is the future off the left tackle on right tackle position, So I wouldn't say you'll go back to back Lime in there, but But I honestly would look more in that Edwards and Claypool scenario in that fourth round selection and then depending on where we Weaver rises over the remainder of this season, go ahead and given opportunity for a player like that to come in.
00:41:18
And then that continues to help out that defensive corps.
00:41:21
That's my takeaways on this brief one.
00:41:23
What I will quickly do is before I get out the door here, uh, is when you dove down in now to a secondary one.
00:41:29
This is the fans.
00:41:30
Speak where it has compensatory picks.
00:41:32
Listen to this, and that's fine.
00:41:34
They want Chase Young.
00:41:35
His second round pick was Tricia and worse.
00:41:37
And this is where he talks about.
00:41:38
Some of these players falling that far doesn't see that being the case.
00:41:40
But then when he's there, he's gonna draft him.
00:41:42
I don't really look, that is being legitimate.
00:41:44
They again he goes Colin Johnson there down in the fourth round.
00:41:48
Fifth round goes Jake Hanson.
00:41:50
That was a player we talked about that center there out of ah, out of ah, bup up up Oregon.
00:41:57
So taking him there to address that and then you got ah, he goes safety and rusher over those over the 6/7 round, then begin to compensatory seven from picks.
00:42:07
So, you know, the Hanson pick? I do like and I think that is a reachable guy for the Giants.
00:42:13
So combining something like the little bit of a blade of these dresses, I think a guy like Hanson will be available.
00:42:18
Maybe you take a Hanson and you take this earlier round pick using it on a lineman.
00:42:22
And now you're talking about getting to quality players in there to help, uh, build out the depth, give someone who could.
00:42:28
Maybe challenging behind a Nate soldier.
00:42:30
If Hernandez isn't going to work out a long term, be ready to move someone else into that role and have some flexibility at the center guard position across the line.
00:42:38
So I would like that.
00:42:39
And then just to talk about, you know, drafting, remember, 98 is that pick their in the third round.
00:42:46
So you're talking about the the back end third round pick, and that's where I think again you're talking about for me.
00:42:52
I would go weaver there, and then I will go into the wide receiver category for four.
00:42:56
So just to give you a sense of where I would maybe think to go a little, a little, a little sporadic here, kind of jumping around.
00:43:01
Obviously, we highlighted where this offensive line was looking on the pro football focus that I'm gonna come back in later today.
00:43:07
Gotta jump off, take care of any macaroons and one giant podcast recording.
00:43:11
It'll come out later.
00:43:12
Probably highlight some of these things on there as well.
00:43:14
But we will be giving you different content.
00:43:16
New content reflecting on what we saw in this Green Bay Packers game.
00:43:19
Follow us on social media, one giant podcast, Get over the iTunes subscribe, get those auto downloads going for us and certainly continue to get some questions out to us on social media.
00:43:28
If you would like a CZ well, trying to line up some additional a crossover episode as we close out this season.
00:43:33
Beyond that, I am at a marmot as always for one giant podcast live on SportsCastr Stream.
00:43:38
I'll be coming back to you later today, most likely in the evening hours to go ahead and dive in a little bit on this secondary and then also flesh out.
00:43:46
We'll start to take a look at just giving you the recap of where my big board stands from a positional standpoint.
00:43:51
What do I think the Giants should address? Assuming no matter which way you go, if it's young first or it's Thomas in that first high round pick, where do you go acts that to fill out this roster over the rest of the draft? Thank you so much for checking in with us here in the early afternoon hour.
00:44:06
I will be back on later tonight.
00:44:08
Hopefully, we'll see all there.

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@Rumboyz Smokey & Bogie Invitational Fantasy Football Draft and recap show! #Fantasy#Football#NFL#FFB#FantasyFootball#Rumboyz#AllTalk#SplitScreen
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