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00:00:06
Welcome back into the one giant podcast.
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Excuse me as we come to you live here on the SportsCastr platform.
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As we mentioned, I had come in there and taking a look at the Green Bay Packers coming into East Rutherford, New Jersey.
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Obviously, uh, seeing how the Giants were going to be able to fare in a tough matchup against an opponent coming off a difficult loss, certainly against the 40 Niners knew, they need to get themselves right and get back on track.
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Uh, interestingly enough, as we have on in the background here, the 20th 17 Denver Broncos leading the L A charges right now, keeping some of that Ah, was the red zone, the NFL red zone, of course.
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So, as we welcome everybody into this on Facebook, instagram and Twitter at one giant podcast certainly head over and and start to download the podcast.
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If you haven't already love to check it out.
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We highlighted this on our other future, which is the we'd gone.
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That's a platform just over my shoulder.
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It's the Christmas bearded gnome in full holiday swing here.
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So difficult loss for the Giants? Certainly.
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I mean, I don't know if you're gonna call it unexpected by any stretch of the imagination, A lot more positivity in this one early, then we necessarily affected.
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If you call it the early podcast for myself in any Mac awaits.
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I also highlighted it here during the game coverage Earlier today, we were talking about the expectations.
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I had this at 24 to 10 Green Bay Packers and he went 28 to 13.
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So listen, I think we were both right in the wheelhouse and he came darn close on this one.
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You know, you go inside the numbers a little bit here, remember, at halftime, it's a 17 10 game.
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It's a 17 13 game at the conclusion of the third quarter.
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Obviously, you can go.
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You know, some pretty easy directions here.
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20 or 37 for Daniel Jones, 240 yards touchdown.
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Obviously, the glaring one is the three interceptions finishes up with a 49 Q B rating.
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On the other side of the Q B battle was Aaron Rodgers, very controlled to 43 4 touchdowns, 1 25 Q B rating going for ah, 243 yards, 21 of 33 as we highlight there.
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Some of the other things listen difficult.
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We didn't see that.
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Ah, the New York Giants had 13 carries for Saeko on Barkley in the first half on, Lee finishes with 19.
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Ah, you can say on the one hand you fall behind there in the in the fourth quarter.
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On the other hand, just six carries.
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I mean, I easily could have said that.
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You want to get that ball into his hands, you know, 5678 times that third quarter alone.
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To me, it's neither here nor there, because this is a team where you're outmatched.
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Obviously, the turnovers hurt them big fourth down conversion when the Green Bay Packers went for it there.
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And this one, that was the proverbial, you know, John or not, step on the throat kind of mentality.
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The other thing that we want to talk about here is some of the postgame coverage.
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So this is where we'll come in here.
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We'll try to do this most weeks, talk about just what we saw in terms of the any comments, any news or noteworthy things that we maybe want to highlight.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunate thing from from a giant's perspective is one of the things that we've been talking about so much when it comes to this team is they've avoided right.
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They've avoided some of the issues in and around the players speaking out, you know, the cool green.
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And yet so one of these guys here, certainly, and that is Ah, generous Jenkins.
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But for the most part, they, you know, they have been together on this stuff.
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They've tried to keep themselves positive Ah, and avoid some of the fracturing that we can hear at times.
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I mentioned this leading into this game.
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We highlighted have the Jets a few weeks ago.
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We're having some issues.
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They come off just a disastrous loss against Cincinnati Bangles today.
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But in the post game, here is what we have right.
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There's a couple of the easy things that we like to see, a couple of them that are disappointing.
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One will go to the other side of the ball first, where it is Aaron Rodgers.
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We feel like we should win a game like that, you know.
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But it ultimately that's still the execute against a team like that, referring to the New York Giants and I think most, most teams two and nine out of 10.
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You expect to win those games, right? As a huge pass interference penalty is going to get cold against the Chargers here on this one.
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Ah, I can't say I know the player off hand here, but looking around a lot of confusion as they will call this here a three second on the clock, see where this play takes place.
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But you know, when you hear Roger's make a comment like that, I I think it does tell you that this is, ah, team that no one in the league coming into these matchups expects to have an issue with, right.
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More often than not, they think that if we play strong, by the way, if we get some turnovers, which they've been able to get most weeks, whether it's a fumble or this week by Daniel Jones and those interceptions, expectations have to be.
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But you're gonna have opportunities to get W's here.
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Ah, surprise on that pass interference call.
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Looks like the players get their feet tangled up, and now all of a sudden, the Denver Broncos have a chance to pull out a victory with three seconds.
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Taking a look at where they are on the field.
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Don't know if this is just a, you know, a wing and a prayer here.
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Or if they'd gotten themselves into a decent position, we will take a chance here for and seven against three and eight.
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So a real barn burner, but obviously certainly worth highlighting, right? Don't know if they're going Thio.
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You see, they're gonna call the time out here and try Thio.
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Just throw off the chick which went off the upright in on the first attempt.
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Well, obviously the time out is called, so we'll look to see if McM**** can go ahead and just ah, lock himself back in and get that one to go through.
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We highlight the Roger's comments right now, The other one that we're having a problem with here is probably a couple of things, right? Pat Shurmur.
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Uh, I'm not gonna harp on him.
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Too bad.
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I don't know, because because I don't think What are you expecting from a coach to say in this? However, you came in this game saying, behind the scenes, we're making progress.
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You may not see it, but we see it and We have a lot of things that we can hang our hat on, and we'll go into it on the on the one giant podcast coverage this week.
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When we get back on together myself in any Mac, what's there are supposed to take away from this again? I found the defensive side of the ball at Fort Leonard.
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Williams played pretty well.
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Uh, I thought that, you know, I won't. I won't.
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I don't over exaggerate when I say I thought Julian love look pretty strong.
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Contributed.
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You got being felt out of place in a couple of plays, certainly, but contributed in the run defense.
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Well, got down inside the box and had some nice tackle.
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So we'll go in and highlight all those as McM**** makes a beautiful adjustment and puts this one through to give the Denver Broncos the win here is time expires there.
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Ah, in Ah, believe it is in Denver.
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So first win their Ah, as you see the excitement enjoy their 23 20 getting themselves to foreign eight.
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Unfortunately, a sad finished what feels like the finish for Philip Rivers career as it wraps up.
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And, uh, why would I like to know what they said here, what the distance was on this.
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But it was.
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It was a beauty, certainly, anyway, so that wraps up the game between two teams.
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They're going nowhere this season, but hey, football still exciting? If your family, either one of those teams, you gotta like it, that will, ah, wrap that up there.
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But Sherman's comments in the postgame he had said that coming in.
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And then he says, The score got away from us there.
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And yet? Well, yeah, I don't think that's a lot to ask for it, right? I think it's pretty obvious that the score got away from you for in the end, you know, now again with the rookie quarterback and Daniel Jones.
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How much do you want to beat him up in terms of the turnovers? Turnovers they turn over that you saw from Daniel Jones in the first half was a really ugly one of an interception, just looked like the wind.
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Maybe the wind knocked that down a little bit, certainly saw a couple of these plays where the balls were coming up a little bit short.
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Even on the Jenkins tip away there in the end zone from a rod's look like me The wind just knocked that thing down and got a little bit below the target.
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The touchdown pass to Sterling Shepard.
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Feeling the wind knocked that thing down, he was able to make that adjustment.
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Get that that catch there in the early going, eh? So that I mean, listen, is that a hollow statement? Certainly does feel a little bit, you know, Bill Bella, check in terms of just not really giving you much insight as far as the play goes.
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Yes, it also feels that way, too.
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Um and then really a little bit of a snide comment, saying you get to see us 20 minutes at a time.
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You don't see what we're doing over the length of our practices and everything else, but again, the results are on the field here.
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Uh, you know, you're losing games.
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You announce you and 10 you can't say you can't look at last year when you have those five wins and say, we're building on something, you know, 37.
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31 Miami Dolphins beating the Eagles today.
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If you think that's all the sudden the chalk up a win, it isn't anymore by any stretch of the imagination.
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So if you were a fan or if you're Pat Shurmur thinking, Well, well, well, just beat the Washington Redskins will beat the Miami Dolphins.
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You know, we'll get a couple of these extra wings here and there, and then we can go ahead and feel like a We still got that five win mark on the season.
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Now you're talking about maybe getting the four win mark if you're lucky and even at that, I don't know if either of those games or lock up wins.
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Given how this team has been performing the other, and probably it may be more concerning, is coming out of generous Jenkins in the postgame comments.
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Ah doesn't know Jack.
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It's basically doesn't know why he's not travelling.
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You know, he in the system over the years there, the last last year with Petra, certainly, and over his time he has been a guy that has been stuck on a number one and gone anywhere in the field that they've gone.
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Certainly mentioned, he says he plays on the left side.
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Only saw two passes in this one, probably a lot of opportunities where they could have looked to move him around and match up with the Davante Adams.
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Now, that being said, as people will probably rightly bring up.
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When he was matched up, all game along against Mike Evans had one of the worst games, certainly of his career and Evans have one of the best.
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But, you know, when the biggest performances of the season for him, you know it's chicken or the egg here, Really? You know, Do you want to say that A 31 he's over the hill? Do you want to say that he's not being used effectively is and should you know, you go to better and look for responses here.
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But this is where things get muddled for the Giants.
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You're talking about a veteran cornerback that certainly could be getting utilized more.
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You're talking about a secondary that is filled with you know what? Valentine of first year Player with love of first year player with Baker, first year player Sam Bill, though a second, you know, really more of a first year player.
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You've got great Haley, a second year guy, young player.
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So you have five players like this allover the secondary.
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You're gonna be limited in your options and what you're looking to.
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D'oh! We highlighted the baker and Ah, Sandy, we're in a time.
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Cheryl, I'll take a look at those numbers and then come back in tomorrow and highly what we saw from them in terms of rotation.
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How to some of these players great out in terms of their performances yesterday as well.
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Obviously, when you have a quarterback throwing four touchdowns in a Q B R but 1 25 R B rating Excuse me, You have to feel like you weren't doing something.
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Certainly the strongest there.
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But, you know, it's a little bit of a concern here in that regard.
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I'm trying.
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Look, take a look down here.
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Uh 01 of the other notes was, of course, what the giant's gonna look to do in this We thought about how they might live.
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Look to trade Jenkins trade deadline.
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I could certainly understand you're trying to have some levels of respectability by keeping him around so the defense doesn't get totally torched that you have young players trying to learn on the job.
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The other side of that is, we thought maybe trade in the off season.
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But remember, they can cut him and take a 3.
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5 penalty cap penalty.
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And that'll clear off, though, over 11 million off the books.
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So the net gain there still gonna be worth it? Be curious to see.
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Are there is anyone really that's gonna be looking to be a suitor for him? If you could get 1/4 4th Graham fifth round pick for this guy? Is that something that team will be looking to do to bring a minute that $11 million cap number? Or would they just kind of ride the line on him? And then, if the Giant once, you know whatever the Giants make the choice to let him go, then you bring him in on what will be a much cheaper contract.
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So if the Giants have any suitors at the trade deadline, I would probably will be looking at this and saying, You should have made the move when you had the chance, because I don't necessarily see there being value for a player like this in the off season.
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Certainly not knowing that he's going to have that that again.
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11 plus $1,000,000 cap it.
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I think other teams will be able to get him cheaper if they just wait it out.
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Would also be curious, depending on any coaches changes that maybe would go on.
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Obviously, that can lead to some turnovers in the roster.
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But would they may be just ride out this this contract with generous Jenkins again.
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If you brought in a locked down corner through free agency or through the draft and the pieces that fit in around a guy like this, maybe you still feel like it's a quality presence in the locker room and on the field.
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I actually like Jenkins.
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I like what he's done.
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I think he's done a nice job with some of the younger players and helping them out.
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I think that it's unfortunate for Jenkins because just found himself in a situation you didn't anticipate.
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You comes into the Giants on that contract and you really thought that they were building in the right direction and instead he's watched things go the other way.
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He's watched a coaching change of regime change of the G. M.
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You know you're seeing so many changes around you in a 31 year on the back end, of things, especially the cornerback position.
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And I think you start to look at the time, you know, saying, slipping through the hourglass and winds being a competitive situation.
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For the most part, I think he's done pretty well for for himself, as far as you know, watching what he says and post game wrap up.
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So you basically just refer to ask the defensive coordinators, do whatever you go talk to whoever you want to talk to.
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But he's certainly not satisfied.
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Giants have options and opportunities when it comes to these players.
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When a player like this and what they want to do in the off season, I will.
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While we have, everybody here has been picking up some additional eyes on this one.
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I'll dive over to, ah, pro football focus here is well and just think about where some of the lines have moved on.
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A couple of players after this game, you know, going inside those those numbers again.
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Here we talked about what did we see? Ah, overall here.
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This defense for the Packers might as well high like this.
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The other talking point is always gonna be offensive line play, and then we'll get out the door here.
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You know Q B hits.
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They had seven in this one pass deflections.
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They had seven in this one tackles for loss.
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They had three no sacks on the day.
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But again, a product of just trying get that bull out early and often certainly plays a factor in that as well.
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We will go inside these, Ah, the pro football here and just see what we liked or did not like when we talk about the offensive line play.
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So I basically know where a lot of these numbers were coming into this game.
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So we'll see if they've updated these.
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Remove the needle at all.
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If not, we'll stick away from it. And they have.
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So ah, jalape o.
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He was out of 55 plus a couple of weeks ago, down to 54 after last week, now down to a 53 6 So he performed on the down side of things.
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You see that pressure coming in the face of ah Daniel Jones, usually a big indicator that it's not going well for how appeal uh, four got.
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Hernandez still shows up as a 60 rating, so maybe just a net hold there for him.
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I want to look through here.
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That's actually seeing a change on a soldier as well.
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So there could have been some movement on how appeal.
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I wouldn't say that.
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It's necessarily bore out any kind of change just yet.
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So we won't I'm into that.
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Too much will touch back in on this tomorrow when we'll see that movement over on pro football.
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Focus. Weaken.
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Great out what the changes are for some of these positions on the team here and again.
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Listen, this one I actually think you can chalk up to.
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We talked about what games can you blame, Or would you blame the quarterback play of a rookie quarterback? Three interceptions? I feel like you can put this one down two feet of Daniel Jones, especially when you know that you're in a situation down for going to the fourth quarter and then ultimately giving up big place.
00:15:17
I don't know if the defense would have held up, but certainly you don't give them opportunities.
00:15:21
Remember, the early interception in the first half lead to three in the second quarter for the Green Bay Packers? All those numbers matter right? Otherwise you're sitting there in the, uh, the third quarter and you're talking about being down 13 to 14 and literally being a point away from tying the game up and how that dictates the way Packers looked.
00:15:40
Place certainly could have played a factor, though.
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Ultimately, you have to remember to.
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This is a quarterback that has had numerous opportunities to do whatever he pleased there as faras the ah, the offense.
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Look, you know, I think if you had to do more, watchers could have done more.
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We didn't mention those those rushing numbers.
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10 for 41 for Jamal Williams.
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We saw Aaron Jones Ah, just 11 for 18 in this 13 for 24 4 others scrambled a few times and got the job done inside of those receiving numbers out of the backfield.
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Jamal wins for for 26 Jones for for 13.
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So, you know from that running back room, you're talking about giving yourself eight catches for 39 yards and then the rushing attack overall, including Aaron Rodgers, give you 79 2nd week in a row where the Giants have done a nice job in terms of defending against the run But how much is that skewed? Because you're giving up of so many big chunk plays, A lot of holes inside of some zone looks from the defense.
00:16:39
Certainly we talked about earlier during the broadcast where Ogle Tree gets out of position on the Davante Adams, don't they? Yes, the about the Adams touched down there on that first drive by the Packers, where it just looked like instead of shipping and keeping his integrity of his own.
00:16:54
Spacing doesn't gets caught up following the tight end, where Mayo is already ready to pick him up.
00:16:59
And then you see a wide open look.
00:17:00
They're over the top.
00:17:02
Um, you know, there's not a lot of things that I'm gonna point you in terms of teams changes that you want to see within this team.
00:17:07
The roster is the roster the rest of the way.
00:17:10
The best thing I think we can hope for is that you do see improvement from some of the rookies and seeing if they can buy into this the hard part here, as well as a lot of people, are pointing to whether it's the play, calling it Pat Shurmur and me that he needs to go in the off season.
00:17:22
Maybe it's the play calling a better and he needs to go in the off season.
00:17:26
Then all of a sudden, though, you turning out to start to re evaluate so many of these players.
00:17:30
A guy like Grant Hanley in his second year that maybe has struggled a little bit now, all of a sudden, you have to be thinking Okay, does that mean that we need to consider drafting and replacing a player like that? We know that we have Valentine, but you know what stage do you say it? Valentine isn't.
00:17:43
The answer is I don't think you could make a determination on a rookie cornerback just yet.
00:17:47
Uh, love, I think, has already shown you a little spark.
00:17:49
I think Sam deal has shown you a little something here early, but a lot.
00:17:52
A lot of players to try to sort out here and if you overhaul this team again with new coaches and I'm not saying it's right or wrong to go on one side of the other on that, I think at this point if you've finished with two or three wins here and you are Pat Shurmur.
00:18:07
Writing's on the wall, right, right, Wrong, indifferent.
00:18:09
Q B play or not? I think there's plenty of games you could say You want to talk up and say that Daniel Jones cost you a couple of these games? Certainly, you could make that argument.
00:18:18
But, ah, I do still think there are enough holes and what we've seen Pat Shurmur doing to really start to question and wonder whether or not this is, ah, the head coach going forward.
00:18:29
And then you're probably saying, Well, that means you get to bring in the new head coach and then you go up the chain to Dave Gettleman and you say You're probably not gonna strip him out on go full regime change.
00:18:39
So now you're talking about bringing in a new head coach and then giving Gettleman maybe another two years, another three years to see if that works.
00:18:46
So a lot of people an opportunity here.
00:18:49
The other thing that we will highlight before we get out the door here and then we'll look to come back in off the new from NFL side of things.
00:18:55
We'll take a look at the game tonight.
00:18:56
That'll be coming up in just over an hour here, so maybe we'll check in around at halftime.
00:19:00
Ah, halftime point and coming on some second half action, if you have been someone's been following this here.
00:19:05
You know that I've been coming in on something in football Monday, Thursday night games when the Giants aren't playing and taking a look at some free agent targets that the Giants may want to look at and highlighting some of those.
00:19:14
And then we've already been talking about Gates, that big board point, where we start to line up some of these players who want a target, talk about cap room and where will stand in the off season and then going to the draft et cetera down the road.
00:19:25
The last thing that we will look at, of course, right is the standings, and this is where the big impact comes into play.
00:19:31
We mentioned there off the cuff that the Dolphins gotta win.
00:19:34
Mention that the Jets lost.
00:19:35
There is, well, not really a big deal as they go to foreign ate Another team.
00:19:40
Was the Cincinnati Bangles getting their first win of the year against said Jets Jacksonville.
00:19:45
It four wins is at the bottom of the barrel there.
00:19:47
Denver Broncos Getting a win here against the L.
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A.
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Chargers helps to the Giants as well.
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Now two teams there at the bottom in the A F C West of four wins apiece.
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The New York Giants at two and 10 Washington Gotta win.
00:20:00
Ah, also.
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Ah, you know Detroit Lions.
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They have three wins on the year right now.
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Three wins for the Falcons, three wins for the car.
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So I have a three month for the cartels.
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Their percentages.
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They're gonna keep them out of some of the top spots as well.
00:20:12
What that means that the Giants now stand all alone at the second pick of the draft right now.
00:20:17
And we highlighted your intake on Washington.
00:20:19
Depending on how that game shakes out, You're talking about having an opportunity to solidify your position, and obviously that match up again with the, uh with the Miami Dolphins, which I honestly, at this point, if their offense can be moving, it looks like the Dolphins were willing to win some games here if they can get them and taking some victories and certainly trying to maybe build towards the future.
00:20:40
This head coach down there in Miami.
00:20:41
Has the team stripped away from him.
00:20:43
It's still gone out and played tough, and I think that, at the very least, he's solidifying case that he deserves to have this job going forward.
00:20:49
And not that I know whether or not they would have looked to make a change in any point, but he may have put him out there to be a lame duck.
00:20:54
He certainly has done a nice job of that team.
00:20:56
Three wins is nothing short of ah, you know, ecstatic.
00:21:00
If you're Miami Dolphins fan because the Giants have to and they've made a move to trade them blindly, bringing letter Williams try to keep this team strong.
00:21:07
So you know, you have to like what you've seen there over the course of this rain of the season, though, where the Giants are going to shake out.
00:21:13
Remember to match ups with the Eagles.
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Eagles lose to the Dolphins today, so you know, everything kind of goes topsy turvy in terms of what you expect.
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But at five and seven with the Dallas Cowboys at six and six, some easy, unquote easy games.
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But you know, the Philadelphia Eagles could get two wins against the Giants is well over there.
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Last handful of games.
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We have to see where all these things shake out there right now.
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Giants Air pushing themselves toward that number one spot, potentially depending on how the Bangles play the rest of the way.
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And even at that number two spot you think about are the Washington Redskins.
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Skin's gonna make a move that they believe in Dwayne Haskins.
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If not, they'll be in a situation.
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Maybe.
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Look, stick quarterback, Certainly a team.
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You know, maybe you think about the Detroit Lions.
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At what point is it time to think about moving on from Matthew Stafford? I think that's still a few years away.
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Cardinals, you know, aren't going to need it.
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Ah, the Atlanta Falcons.
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I mean, they could They could look to draft the guy.
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They want to sit behind them, But I don't think that would be the case, you know.
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Ah, then, though a team like the L.
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A Chargers, I think that they would certainly be in the market to maybe look at drafting a quarterback and trying to make a move up that draft For depending on where they sit so Giants could have some flexibility and mobility at that position if they can still drop back a spot or two, maybe and still get Chase young or still get Thomas and left tackle whatever you want to look to accomplish, um, you know, and then maybe get some his assets back, be interesting to see where they go.
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So these are obviously some down the road, things that were always highlighting as we work through of these postgame wrap ups and even our live game coverage.
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Because when you are now, too, and said as the New York Giants, you have to kind of look big picture and think about where this team is going to shift in a long term.
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That being said, we will.
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We'll go ahead and get out the door here, as we do.
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Think, uh, do you think ahead to worth where the Giants upcoming schedule will take them and what we talk about possible wins.
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I mean, you know, possible winds are in the rear view mirror.
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Remember just that Miss Field goal away from the Buccaneers from being a one win team and then really battling that number one draft pick overall.
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Next week's gonna be in Philadelphia against the Eagles.
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Eagles coming off a loss, the Dolphins not dissimilar to the Packers, right, coming off a loss against the 40 Niners.
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Want to come out, Make sure you lock up when they get it done.
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I think the Eagles, in regards of how their season plays out, I think they're going to be able to get that done for themselves.
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Then you talk about taking on the Dolphins at home.
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You talk about being at home, starting a way for the Redskins than home for Philly.
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So, you know, I don't know how this is gonna shake out.
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I would certainly think that you're gonna chalk up a lost next week in Philadelphia and then over those last three games, you want to call for a moral victory somewhere in there, Maybe you get it.
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But again, I think the Eagles will still have things to play for down the stretch.
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They're gonna have a big matchup against the Dallas Cowboys for themselves as well.
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So you have to consider about where that team is going to be thinking a CZ.
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They look over the end of their schedule We'll go ahead and highlight that role quick because you want to think about.
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Does this team have something to play for in spite of being five and seven? Were they to beat the Giants? Okay, now there's six and seven will have to go to Washington that yet that win their seven and seven.
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Then they'll get that big match up with the Dallas Cowboys, followed up by the Giant so they could be 787 or even seven and eight.
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But maybe still having an opportunity, because again, we'll go ahead and just Sprinkle this in a swell.
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When you talk about the Dallas Cowboys, their matchup will be with Chicago next week at Chicago.
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So you're talking about Chicago Bears, you know, they can still have a reasonably something expectation and reasonable but thinking about can they get that wild card conversation? Still, they're gonna have games at Chicago home for the Rams, who have been a very inconsistent team this year than at Philadelphia and home for Washington.
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So I can easily tell you that Thea, you know the Cowboys can lose to the Bears, beat the Rams, lose to the Eagles and then beat the Redskins and find themselves sitting at 18 8 on.
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Then it comes down to head to head matchups, and then it comes down to divisional schedule there and how they look.
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So when you go back over this and you see that they've already beaten, obviously the Giants twice and the Redskins once on, then they have that win against the Eagles.
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So Eagle's getting a sweep against the Giants and taking care of business and start moving that needle.
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Were they able to get the win against Dallas? They're in their upcoming match up.
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So this is going to be a vision again.
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Could I see one of these teams going on a run? Certainly.
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But as of right now, I see these Eagles and the Cowboys battling it out to a meeting eight.
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And certainly if one of them is at nine and seven, I think it takes it for themselves.
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The Eagles are gonna have plenty to play for in the matchups against the Giants.
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And that's why, um, boy, I tell you what.
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If you want to paint a scenario, I'd be fine.
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If the Giants lost out here against the Eagles next week against the Dolphins following that, even against the Redskins, Because then it's kind of solidify this in that top to pick area.
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And then, once we know that, were securing that number two pick.
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If you want to play spoilers in Week 17 we know what's happened to us.
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The other way to play spoilers against the Philadelphia Eagles than to kick them out of their playoff opportunities would certainly be impressive.
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The only downside being is by kicking them out, maybe playing Dallas in.
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So it's all topsy turvy in that regard.
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But And when you can beat the team that you're facing on the field and steal away a playoff opportunity or maybe even a wild card opportunity, a division title or wild card opportunity for them, that's something I think the Giants could hang their hat on.
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You go back to Eli Manning, his rookie.
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You're getting that big win in the final game of the season against I believe it was Dallas.
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If I'm not mistaken, you know, that meant a lot, right, helping to build some of that positivity going to the next year.
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I wouldn't want to move the needle in terms of coaching or potential coaching changes.
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But for some of the young players on this team, that would certainly be Ah highlight for them as they exited into the offseason.
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If they could rip the hearts out of some Philadelphia Philly fans in the metal lands.
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Give the fans and I set off into the offseason as well.
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So that will do it here as we see the red zone is gone completely blank.
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Following that victory, there will turn over.
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I'm gonna take a step away here and then maybe I will.
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Dive back in on some commentary in and around it.
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Green Bay Packers VS New York Giants

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Welcome back into the one giant podcast.
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Excuse me as we come to you live here on the SportsCastr platform.
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As we mentioned, I had come in there and taking a look at the Green Bay Packers coming into East Rutherford, New Jersey.
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Obviously, uh, seeing how the Giants were going to be able to fare in a tough matchup against an opponent coming off a difficult loss, certainly against the 40 Niners knew, they need to get themselves right and get back on track.
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Uh, interestingly enough, as we have on in the background here, the 20th 17 Denver Broncos leading the L A charges right now, keeping some of that Ah, was the red zone, the NFL red zone, of course.
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So, as we welcome everybody into this on Facebook, instagram and Twitter at one giant podcast certainly head over and and start to download the podcast.
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We highlighted this on our other future, which is the we'd gone.
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That's a platform just over my shoulder.
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It's the Christmas bearded gnome in full holiday swing here.
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So difficult loss for the Giants? Certainly.
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I mean, I don't know if you're gonna call it unexpected by any stretch of the imagination, A lot more positivity in this one early, then we necessarily affected.
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If you call it the early podcast for myself in any Mac awaits.
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I also highlighted it here during the game coverage Earlier today, we were talking about the expectations.
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I had this at 24 to 10 Green Bay Packers and he went 28 to 13.
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So listen, I think we were both right in the wheelhouse and he came darn close on this one.
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You know, you go inside the numbers a little bit here, remember, at halftime, it's a 17 10 game.
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It's a 17 13 game at the conclusion of the third quarter.
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Obviously, you can go.
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You know, some pretty easy directions here.
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20 or 37 for Daniel Jones, 240 yards touchdown.
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Obviously, the glaring one is the three interceptions finishes up with a 49 Q B rating.
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On the other side of the Q B battle was Aaron Rodgers, very controlled to 43 4 touchdowns, 1 25 Q B rating going for ah, 243 yards, 21 of 33 as we highlight there.
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Some of the other things listen difficult.
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We didn't see that.
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Ah, the New York Giants had 13 carries for Saeko on Barkley in the first half on, Lee finishes with 19.
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Ah, you can say on the one hand you fall behind there in the in the fourth quarter.
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On the other hand, just six carries.
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I mean, I easily could have said that.
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You want to get that ball into his hands, you know, 5678 times that third quarter alone.
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To me, it's neither here nor there, because this is a team where you're outmatched.
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Obviously, the turnovers hurt them big fourth down conversion when the Green Bay Packers went for it there.
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And this one, that was the proverbial, you know, John or not, step on the throat kind of mentality.
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The other thing that we want to talk about here is some of the postgame coverage.
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So this is where we'll come in here.
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We'll try to do this most weeks, talk about just what we saw in terms of the any comments, any news or noteworthy things that we maybe want to highlight.
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Yeah.
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Unfortunate thing from from a giant's perspective is one of the things that we've been talking about so much when it comes to this team is they've avoided right.
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They've avoided some of the issues in and around the players speaking out, you know, the cool green.
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And yet so one of these guys here, certainly, and that is Ah, generous Jenkins.
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But for the most part, they, you know, they have been together on this stuff.
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They've tried to keep themselves positive Ah, and avoid some of the fracturing that we can hear at times.
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I mentioned this leading into this game.
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We highlighted have the Jets a few weeks ago.
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We're having some issues.
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They come off just a disastrous loss against Cincinnati Bangles today.
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But in the post game, here is what we have right.
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There's a couple of the easy things that we like to see, a couple of them that are disappointing.
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One will go to the other side of the ball first, where it is Aaron Rodgers.
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We feel like we should win a game like that, you know.
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But it ultimately that's still the execute against a team like that, referring to the New York Giants and I think most, most teams two and nine out of 10.
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You expect to win those games, right? As a huge pass interference penalty is going to get cold against the Chargers here on this one.
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Ah, I can't say I know the player off hand here, but looking around a lot of confusion as they will call this here a three second on the clock, see where this play takes place.
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But you know, when you hear Roger's make a comment like that, I I think it does tell you that this is, ah, team that no one in the league coming into these matchups expects to have an issue with, right.
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More often than not, they think that if we play strong, by the way, if we get some turnovers, which they've been able to get most weeks, whether it's a fumble or this week by Daniel Jones and those interceptions, expectations have to be.
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But you're gonna have opportunities to get W's here.
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Ah, surprise on that pass interference call.
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Looks like the players get their feet tangled up, and now all of a sudden, the Denver Broncos have a chance to pull out a victory with three seconds.
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Taking a look at where they are on the field.
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Don't know if this is just a, you know, a wing and a prayer here.
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Or if they'd gotten themselves into a decent position, we will take a chance here for and seven against three and eight.
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So a real barn burner, but obviously certainly worth highlighting, right? Don't know if they're going Thio.
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You see, they're gonna call the time out here and try Thio.
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Just throw off the chick which went off the upright in on the first attempt.
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Well, obviously the time out is called, so we'll look to see if McM**** can go ahead and just ah, lock himself back in and get that one to go through.
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We highlight the Roger's comments right now, The other one that we're having a problem with here is probably a couple of things, right? Pat Shurmur.
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Uh, I'm not gonna harp on him.
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Too bad.
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I don't know, because because I don't think What are you expecting from a coach to say in this? However, you came in this game saying, behind the scenes, we're making progress.
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You may not see it, but we see it and We have a lot of things that we can hang our hat on, and we'll go into it on the on the one giant podcast coverage this week.
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When we get back on together myself in any Mac, what's there are supposed to take away from this again? I found the defensive side of the ball at Fort Leonard.
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Williams played pretty well.
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Uh, I thought that, you know, I won't. I won't.
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I don't over exaggerate when I say I thought Julian love look pretty strong.
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Contributed.
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You got being felt out of place in a couple of plays, certainly, but contributed in the run defense.
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Well, got down inside the box and had some nice tackle.
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So we'll go in and highlight all those as McM**** makes a beautiful adjustment and puts this one through to give the Denver Broncos the win here is time expires there.
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Ah, in Ah, believe it is in Denver.
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So first win their Ah, as you see the excitement enjoy their 23 20 getting themselves to foreign eight.
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Unfortunately, a sad finished what feels like the finish for Philip Rivers career as it wraps up.
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And, uh, why would I like to know what they said here, what the distance was on this.
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But it was.
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It was a beauty, certainly, anyway, so that wraps up the game between two teams.
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They're going nowhere this season, but hey, football still exciting? If your family, either one of those teams, you gotta like it, that will, ah, wrap that up there.
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But Sherman's comments in the postgame he had said that coming in.
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And then he says, The score got away from us there.
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And yet? Well, yeah, I don't think that's a lot to ask for it, right? I think it's pretty obvious that the score got away from you for in the end, you know, now again with the rookie quarterback and Daniel Jones.
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How much do you want to beat him up in terms of the turnovers? Turnovers they turn over that you saw from Daniel Jones in the first half was a really ugly one of an interception, just looked like the wind.
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Maybe the wind knocked that down a little bit, certainly saw a couple of these plays where the balls were coming up a little bit short.
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Even on the Jenkins tip away there in the end zone from a rod's look like me The wind just knocked that thing down and got a little bit below the target.
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The touchdown pass to Sterling Shepard.
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Feeling the wind knocked that thing down, he was able to make that adjustment.
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Get that that catch there in the early going, eh? So that I mean, listen, is that a hollow statement? Certainly does feel a little bit, you know, Bill Bella, check in terms of just not really giving you much insight as far as the play goes.
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Yes, it also feels that way, too.
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Um and then really a little bit of a snide comment, saying you get to see us 20 minutes at a time.
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You don't see what we're doing over the length of our practices and everything else, but again, the results are on the field here.
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Uh, you know, you're losing games.
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You announce you and 10 you can't say you can't look at last year when you have those five wins and say, we're building on something, you know, 37.
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31 Miami Dolphins beating the Eagles today.
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If you think that's all the sudden the chalk up a win, it isn't anymore by any stretch of the imagination.
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So if you were a fan or if you're Pat Shurmur thinking, Well, well, well, just beat the Washington Redskins will beat the Miami Dolphins.
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You know, we'll get a couple of these extra wings here and there, and then we can go ahead and feel like a We still got that five win mark on the season.
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Now you're talking about maybe getting the four win mark if you're lucky and even at that, I don't know if either of those games or lock up wins.
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Given how this team has been performing the other, and probably it may be more concerning, is coming out of generous Jenkins in the postgame comments.
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Ah doesn't know Jack.
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It's basically doesn't know why he's not travelling.
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You know, he in the system over the years there, the last last year with Petra, certainly, and over his time he has been a guy that has been stuck on a number one and gone anywhere in the field that they've gone.
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Certainly mentioned, he says he plays on the left side.
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Only saw two passes in this one, probably a lot of opportunities where they could have looked to move him around and match up with the Davante Adams.
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Now, that being said, as people will probably rightly bring up.
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When he was matched up, all game along against Mike Evans had one of the worst games, certainly of his career and Evans have one of the best.
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But, you know, when the biggest performances of the season for him, you know it's chicken or the egg here, Really? You know, Do you want to say that A 31 he's over the hill? Do you want to say that he's not being used effectively is and should you know, you go to better and look for responses here.
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But this is where things get muddled for the Giants.
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You're talking about a veteran cornerback that certainly could be getting utilized more.
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You're talking about a secondary that is filled with you know what? Valentine of first year Player with love of first year player with Baker, first year player Sam Bill, though a second, you know, really more of a first year player.
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You've got great Haley, a second year guy, young player.
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So you have five players like this allover the secondary.
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You're gonna be limited in your options and what you're looking to.
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D'oh! We highlighted the baker and Ah, Sandy, we're in a time.
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Cheryl, I'll take a look at those numbers and then come back in tomorrow and highly what we saw from them in terms of rotation.
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How to some of these players great out in terms of their performances yesterday as well.
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Obviously, when you have a quarterback throwing four touchdowns in a Q B R but 1 25 R B rating Excuse me, You have to feel like you weren't doing something.
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Certainly the strongest there.
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But, you know, it's a little bit of a concern here in that regard.
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I'm trying.
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Look, take a look down here.
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Uh 01 of the other notes was, of course, what the giant's gonna look to do in this We thought about how they might live.
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Look to trade Jenkins trade deadline.
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I could certainly understand you're trying to have some levels of respectability by keeping him around so the defense doesn't get totally torched that you have young players trying to learn on the job.
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The other side of that is, we thought maybe trade in the off season.
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But remember, they can cut him and take a 3.
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5 penalty cap penalty.
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And that'll clear off, though, over 11 million off the books.
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So the net gain there still gonna be worth it? Be curious to see.
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Are there is anyone really that's gonna be looking to be a suitor for him? If you could get 1/4 4th Graham fifth round pick for this guy? Is that something that team will be looking to do to bring a minute that $11 million cap number? Or would they just kind of ride the line on him? And then, if the Giant once, you know whatever the Giants make the choice to let him go, then you bring him in on what will be a much cheaper contract.
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So if the Giants have any suitors at the trade deadline, I would probably will be looking at this and saying, You should have made the move when you had the chance, because I don't necessarily see there being value for a player like this in the off season.
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Certainly not knowing that he's going to have that that again.
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11 plus $1,000,000 cap it.
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I think other teams will be able to get him cheaper if they just wait it out.
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Would also be curious, depending on any coaches changes that maybe would go on.
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Obviously, that can lead to some turnovers in the roster.
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But would they may be just ride out this this contract with generous Jenkins again.
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If you brought in a locked down corner through free agency or through the draft and the pieces that fit in around a guy like this, maybe you still feel like it's a quality presence in the locker room and on the field.
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I actually like Jenkins.
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I like what he's done.
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I think he's done a nice job with some of the younger players and helping them out.
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I think that it's unfortunate for Jenkins because just found himself in a situation you didn't anticipate.
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You comes into the Giants on that contract and you really thought that they were building in the right direction and instead he's watched things go the other way.
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He's watched a coaching change of regime change of the G. M.
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You know you're seeing so many changes around you in a 31 year on the back end, of things, especially the cornerback position.
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And I think you start to look at the time, you know, saying, slipping through the hourglass and winds being a competitive situation.
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For the most part, I think he's done pretty well for for himself, as far as you know, watching what he says and post game wrap up.
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So you basically just refer to ask the defensive coordinators, do whatever you go talk to whoever you want to talk to.
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But he's certainly not satisfied.
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Giants have options and opportunities when it comes to these players.
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When a player like this and what they want to do in the off season, I will.
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While we have, everybody here has been picking up some additional eyes on this one.
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I'll dive over to, ah, pro football focus here is well and just think about where some of the lines have moved on.
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A couple of players after this game, you know, going inside those those numbers again.
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Here we talked about what did we see? Ah, overall here.
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This defense for the Packers might as well high like this.
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The other talking point is always gonna be offensive line play, and then we'll get out the door here.
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You know Q B hits.
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They had seven in this one pass deflections.
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They had seven in this one tackles for loss.
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They had three no sacks on the day.
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But again, a product of just trying get that bull out early and often certainly plays a factor in that as well.
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We will go inside these, Ah, the pro football here and just see what we liked or did not like when we talk about the offensive line play.
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So I basically know where a lot of these numbers were coming into this game.
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So we'll see if they've updated these.
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Remove the needle at all.
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If not, we'll stick away from it. And they have.
00:14:12
So ah, jalape o.
00:14:13
He was out of 55 plus a couple of weeks ago, down to 54 after last week, now down to a 53 6 So he performed on the down side of things.
00:14:21
You see that pressure coming in the face of ah Daniel Jones, usually a big indicator that it's not going well for how appeal uh, four got.
00:14:31
Hernandez still shows up as a 60 rating, so maybe just a net hold there for him.
00:14:36
I want to look through here.
00:14:37
That's actually seeing a change on a soldier as well.
00:14:39
So there could have been some movement on how appeal.
00:14:41
I wouldn't say that.
00:14:42
It's necessarily bore out any kind of change just yet.
00:14:45
So we won't I'm into that.
00:14:46
Too much will touch back in on this tomorrow when we'll see that movement over on pro football.
00:14:51
Focus. Weaken.
00:14:52
Great out what the changes are for some of these positions on the team here and again.
00:14:57
Listen, this one I actually think you can chalk up to.
00:15:00
We talked about what games can you blame, Or would you blame the quarterback play of a rookie quarterback? Three interceptions? I feel like you can put this one down two feet of Daniel Jones, especially when you know that you're in a situation down for going to the fourth quarter and then ultimately giving up big place.
00:15:17
I don't know if the defense would have held up, but certainly you don't give them opportunities.
00:15:21
Remember, the early interception in the first half lead to three in the second quarter for the Green Bay Packers? All those numbers matter right? Otherwise you're sitting there in the, uh, the third quarter and you're talking about being down 13 to 14 and literally being a point away from tying the game up and how that dictates the way Packers looked.
00:15:40
Place certainly could have played a factor, though.
00:15:42
Ultimately, you have to remember to.
00:15:43
This is a quarterback that has had numerous opportunities to do whatever he pleased there as faras the ah, the offense.
00:15:53
Look, you know, I think if you had to do more, watchers could have done more.
00:15:57
We didn't mention those those rushing numbers.
00:15:59
10 for 41 for Jamal Williams.
00:16:01
We saw Aaron Jones Ah, just 11 for 18 in this 13 for 24 4 others scrambled a few times and got the job done inside of those receiving numbers out of the backfield.
00:16:12
Jamal wins for for 26 Jones for for 13.
00:16:15
So, you know from that running back room, you're talking about giving yourself eight catches for 39 yards and then the rushing attack overall, including Aaron Rodgers, give you 79 2nd week in a row where the Giants have done a nice job in terms of defending against the run But how much is that skewed? Because you're giving up of so many big chunk plays, A lot of holes inside of some zone looks from the defense.
00:16:39
Certainly we talked about earlier during the broadcast where Ogle Tree gets out of position on the Davante Adams, don't they? Yes, the about the Adams touched down there on that first drive by the Packers, where it just looked like instead of shipping and keeping his integrity of his own.
00:16:54
Spacing doesn't gets caught up following the tight end, where Mayo is already ready to pick him up.
00:16:59
And then you see a wide open look.
00:17:00
They're over the top.
00:17:02
Um, you know, there's not a lot of things that I'm gonna point you in terms of teams changes that you want to see within this team.
00:17:07
The roster is the roster the rest of the way.
00:17:10
The best thing I think we can hope for is that you do see improvement from some of the rookies and seeing if they can buy into this the hard part here, as well as a lot of people, are pointing to whether it's the play, calling it Pat Shurmur and me that he needs to go in the off season.
00:17:22
Maybe it's the play calling a better and he needs to go in the off season.
00:17:26
Then all of a sudden, though, you turning out to start to re evaluate so many of these players.
00:17:30
A guy like Grant Hanley in his second year that maybe has struggled a little bit now, all of a sudden, you have to be thinking Okay, does that mean that we need to consider drafting and replacing a player like that? We know that we have Valentine, but you know what stage do you say it? Valentine isn't.
00:17:43
The answer is I don't think you could make a determination on a rookie cornerback just yet.
00:17:47
Uh, love, I think, has already shown you a little spark.
00:17:49
I think Sam deal has shown you a little something here early, but a lot.
00:17:52
A lot of players to try to sort out here and if you overhaul this team again with new coaches and I'm not saying it's right or wrong to go on one side of the other on that, I think at this point if you've finished with two or three wins here and you are Pat Shurmur.
00:18:07
Writing's on the wall, right, right, Wrong, indifferent.
00:18:09
Q B play or not? I think there's plenty of games you could say You want to talk up and say that Daniel Jones cost you a couple of these games? Certainly, you could make that argument.
00:18:18
But, ah, I do still think there are enough holes and what we've seen Pat Shurmur doing to really start to question and wonder whether or not this is, ah, the head coach going forward.
00:18:29
And then you're probably saying, Well, that means you get to bring in the new head coach and then you go up the chain to Dave Gettleman and you say You're probably not gonna strip him out on go full regime change.
00:18:39
So now you're talking about bringing in a new head coach and then giving Gettleman maybe another two years, another three years to see if that works.
00:18:46
So a lot of people an opportunity here.
00:18:49
The other thing that we will highlight before we get out the door here and then we'll look to come back in off the new from NFL side of things.
00:18:55
We'll take a look at the game tonight.
00:18:56
That'll be coming up in just over an hour here, so maybe we'll check in around at halftime.
00:19:00
Ah, halftime point and coming on some second half action, if you have been someone's been following this here.
00:19:05
You know that I've been coming in on something in football Monday, Thursday night games when the Giants aren't playing and taking a look at some free agent targets that the Giants may want to look at and highlighting some of those.
00:19:14
And then we've already been talking about Gates, that big board point, where we start to line up some of these players who want a target, talk about cap room and where will stand in the off season and then going to the draft et cetera down the road.
00:19:25
The last thing that we will look at, of course, right is the standings, and this is where the big impact comes into play.
00:19:31
We mentioned there off the cuff that the Dolphins gotta win.
00:19:34
Mention that the Jets lost.
00:19:35
There is, well, not really a big deal as they go to foreign ate Another team.
00:19:40
Was the Cincinnati Bangles getting their first win of the year against said Jets Jacksonville.
00:19:45
It four wins is at the bottom of the barrel there.
00:19:47
Denver Broncos Getting a win here against the L.
00:19:50
A.
00:19:51
Chargers helps to the Giants as well.
00:19:52
Now two teams there at the bottom in the A F C West of four wins apiece.
00:19:57
The New York Giants at two and 10 Washington Gotta win.
00:20:00
Ah, also.
00:20:01
Ah, you know Detroit Lions.
00:20:03
They have three wins on the year right now.
00:20:05
Three wins for the Falcons, three wins for the car.
00:20:07
So I have a three month for the cartels.
00:20:09
Their percentages.
00:20:10
They're gonna keep them out of some of the top spots as well.
00:20:12
What that means that the Giants now stand all alone at the second pick of the draft right now.
00:20:17
And we highlighted your intake on Washington.
00:20:19
Depending on how that game shakes out, You're talking about having an opportunity to solidify your position, and obviously that match up again with the, uh with the Miami Dolphins, which I honestly, at this point, if their offense can be moving, it looks like the Dolphins were willing to win some games here if they can get them and taking some victories and certainly trying to maybe build towards the future.
00:20:40
This head coach down there in Miami.
00:20:41
Has the team stripped away from him.
00:20:43
It's still gone out and played tough, and I think that, at the very least, he's solidifying case that he deserves to have this job going forward.
00:20:49
And not that I know whether or not they would have looked to make a change in any point, but he may have put him out there to be a lame duck.
00:20:54
He certainly has done a nice job of that team.
00:20:56
Three wins is nothing short of ah, you know, ecstatic.
00:21:00
If you're Miami Dolphins fan because the Giants have to and they've made a move to trade them blindly, bringing letter Williams try to keep this team strong.
00:21:07
So you know, you have to like what you've seen there over the course of this rain of the season, though, where the Giants are going to shake out.
00:21:13
Remember to match ups with the Eagles.
00:21:15
Eagles lose to the Dolphins today, so you know, everything kind of goes topsy turvy in terms of what you expect.
00:21:20
But at five and seven with the Dallas Cowboys at six and six, some easy, unquote easy games.
00:21:26
But you know, the Philadelphia Eagles could get two wins against the Giants is well over there.
00:21:30
Last handful of games.
00:21:32
We have to see where all these things shake out there right now.
00:21:34
Giants Air pushing themselves toward that number one spot, potentially depending on how the Bangles play the rest of the way.
00:21:39
And even at that number two spot you think about are the Washington Redskins.
00:21:43
Skin's gonna make a move that they believe in Dwayne Haskins.
00:21:46
If not, they'll be in a situation.
00:21:48
Maybe.
00:21:49
Look, stick quarterback, Certainly a team.
00:21:51
You know, maybe you think about the Detroit Lions.
00:21:54
At what point is it time to think about moving on from Matthew Stafford? I think that's still a few years away.
00:21:59
Cardinals, you know, aren't going to need it.
00:22:01
Ah, the Atlanta Falcons.
00:22:03
I mean, they could They could look to draft the guy.
00:22:05
They want to sit behind them, But I don't think that would be the case, you know.
00:22:08
Ah, then, though a team like the L.
00:22:10
A Chargers, I think that they would certainly be in the market to maybe look at drafting a quarterback and trying to make a move up that draft For depending on where they sit so Giants could have some flexibility and mobility at that position if they can still drop back a spot or two, maybe and still get Chase young or still get Thomas and left tackle whatever you want to look to accomplish, um, you know, and then maybe get some his assets back, be interesting to see where they go.
00:22:33
So these are obviously some down the road, things that were always highlighting as we work through of these postgame wrap ups and even our live game coverage.
00:22:40
Because when you are now, too, and said as the New York Giants, you have to kind of look big picture and think about where this team is going to shift in a long term.
00:22:48
That being said, we will.
00:22:49
We'll go ahead and get out the door here, as we do.
00:22:52
Think, uh, do you think ahead to worth where the Giants upcoming schedule will take them and what we talk about possible wins.
00:22:59
I mean, you know, possible winds are in the rear view mirror.
00:23:02
Remember just that Miss Field goal away from the Buccaneers from being a one win team and then really battling that number one draft pick overall.
00:23:10
Next week's gonna be in Philadelphia against the Eagles.
00:23:12
Eagles coming off a loss, the Dolphins not dissimilar to the Packers, right, coming off a loss against the 40 Niners.
00:23:18
Want to come out, Make sure you lock up when they get it done.
00:23:20
I think the Eagles, in regards of how their season plays out, I think they're going to be able to get that done for themselves.
00:23:27
Then you talk about taking on the Dolphins at home.
00:23:29
You talk about being at home, starting a way for the Redskins than home for Philly.
00:23:32
So, you know, I don't know how this is gonna shake out.
00:23:36
I would certainly think that you're gonna chalk up a lost next week in Philadelphia and then over those last three games, you want to call for a moral victory somewhere in there, Maybe you get it.
00:23:45
But again, I think the Eagles will still have things to play for down the stretch.
00:23:48
They're gonna have a big matchup against the Dallas Cowboys for themselves as well.
00:23:52
So you have to consider about where that team is going to be thinking a CZ.
00:23:57
They look over the end of their schedule We'll go ahead and highlight that role quick because you want to think about.
00:24:02
Does this team have something to play for in spite of being five and seven? Were they to beat the Giants? Okay, now there's six and seven will have to go to Washington that yet that win their seven and seven.
00:24:11
Then they'll get that big match up with the Dallas Cowboys, followed up by the Giant so they could be 787 or even seven and eight.
00:24:18
But maybe still having an opportunity, because again, we'll go ahead and just Sprinkle this in a swell.
00:24:24
When you talk about the Dallas Cowboys, their matchup will be with Chicago next week at Chicago.
00:24:30
So you're talking about Chicago Bears, you know, they can still have a reasonably something expectation and reasonable but thinking about can they get that wild card conversation? Still, they're gonna have games at Chicago home for the Rams, who have been a very inconsistent team this year than at Philadelphia and home for Washington.
00:24:47
So I can easily tell you that Thea, you know the Cowboys can lose to the Bears, beat the Rams, lose to the Eagles and then beat the Redskins and find themselves sitting at 18 8 on.
00:24:58
Then it comes down to head to head matchups, and then it comes down to divisional schedule there and how they look.
00:25:03
So when you go back over this and you see that they've already beaten, obviously the Giants twice and the Redskins once on, then they have that win against the Eagles.
00:25:12
So Eagle's getting a sweep against the Giants and taking care of business and start moving that needle.
00:25:16
Were they able to get the win against Dallas? They're in their upcoming match up.
00:25:20
So this is going to be a vision again.
00:25:22
Could I see one of these teams going on a run? Certainly.
00:25:25
But as of right now, I see these Eagles and the Cowboys battling it out to a meeting eight.
00:25:29
And certainly if one of them is at nine and seven, I think it takes it for themselves.
00:25:33
The Eagles are gonna have plenty to play for in the matchups against the Giants.
00:25:36
And that's why, um, boy, I tell you what.
00:25:40
If you want to paint a scenario, I'd be fine.
00:25:42
If the Giants lost out here against the Eagles next week against the Dolphins following that, even against the Redskins, Because then it's kind of solidify this in that top to pick area.
00:25:51
And then, once we know that, were securing that number two pick.
00:25:55
If you want to play spoilers in Week 17 we know what's happened to us.
00:25:58
The other way to play spoilers against the Philadelphia Eagles than to kick them out of their playoff opportunities would certainly be impressive.
00:26:06
The only downside being is by kicking them out, maybe playing Dallas in.
00:26:10
So it's all topsy turvy in that regard.
00:26:12
But And when you can beat the team that you're facing on the field and steal away a playoff opportunity or maybe even a wild card opportunity, a division title or wild card opportunity for them, that's something I think the Giants could hang their hat on.
00:26:25
You go back to Eli Manning, his rookie.
00:26:27
You're getting that big win in the final game of the season against I believe it was Dallas.
00:26:31
If I'm not mistaken, you know, that meant a lot, right, helping to build some of that positivity going to the next year.
00:26:35
I wouldn't want to move the needle in terms of coaching or potential coaching changes.
00:26:39
But for some of the young players on this team, that would certainly be Ah highlight for them as they exited into the offseason.
00:26:46
If they could rip the hearts out of some Philadelphia Philly fans in the metal lands.
00:26:50
Give the fans and I set off into the offseason as well.
00:26:53
So that will do it here as we see the red zone is gone completely blank.
00:26:58
Following that victory, there will turn over.
00:27:01
I'm gonna take a step away here and then maybe I will.
00:27:04
Most likely what I'll do is take a look to Sunday's matchup.
00:27:06
Dive back in on some commentary in and around it.
00:27:09
I'll go ahead and do a little bit a research here on some of the free agents that the Giants could take a look at on either side of the bowl as they build that big board for the off season.
00:27:17
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00:27:26
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00:27:34
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00:27:37
We go a little bit big picture, but did focus in on this Green Bay matchup.
00:27:40
Certainly you could take a listen to that one if you want some ah, postmortem information about where we thought our mindset was, and he certainly called for trying to stay within the tackles with Saeko on, Barclay had thought maybe that was working a little bit early.
00:27:52
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00:28:11
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00:28:13
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00:28:15
And as I said before, we've gotten a little bit attraction on a couple of these fast ones when I come on later, feel free to jump in, asked giant related questions.
00:28:23
Free agents that we see on the field in the Sunday night matchup.
00:28:26
Ask, ask about the matchup and the teams that you have on the field there.
00:28:29
That's a nice chatter with the play, with one of the guys following the last game talking about the Miami Dolphins and where they stood and all of a sudden they are winning more games than New York football giants.
00:28:39
Would you thought that not on my not my wildest dreams would I have thought that was coming this way following what is now the 12th game for the Giants in the 13th week of the NFL season For the one giant podcast I have been Adam are Brick thanking you as always for joining in with us and we will myself and the happy little gnome of Christmas.
00:29:00
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