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Just want to come in here on the mid week update, talk a little bit about some of the injuries around the Giants as we look ahead to the Chicago Bears matchup this weekend and then also move into the next phase of some of the players positions that we want to take a look at in the linebacking corps.
Really, the front seven overall who we think will be here heading into this offseason.
Players we can keep an eye on as we head down the stretch through these last six games and potentially how many holes we will have to fill on the back end of things.
Well, go ahead and do first.
A look briefly at the injuries right now.
Soldier still in concussion protocol for the New York football Giants.
You also have rumors who, even though he is dealing with a back injury, just limited early in the week in terms of practice schedule.
But realistically, I don't anticipate that soldier's gonna make it out of concussion protocol in time.
Not that it's 100%.
If that were to be the case.
Then you can look over at Nick Geeks Gates coming and filling in again.
Whether it was for Roemer's or for Soldier.
He'd be the first player off the rotation to come in and fill in, and I wouldn't mind it if that was the case.
Anything for Roamers? If he's dealing with the back injury who have unnecessarily scene spitting full so far this week, even if it was that it was borderline able to go, I think the value over these last six games of being able to take a look at the right tackle position, potentially left tackle position just confirmed what you think about Gates.
No, that either is going to be a high end, back up swing tackle for the team going to next year.
Maybe he can even plug in and compete for a starting job there at the right tackle position.
Other news, of course, is that Sam Bill's been activated off the injured reserve list.
Gonna be curious to see if he gets a run of action here in these games coming up.
I would assume that that would be the case because, as we've highlighted before, you know, if generous Jenkins is gonna be moving on on this roster sometime in the off season.
You want to know what level can.
Sandy will play, too.
Can he stay healthy for six straight games, come in and get a high level of reps and certainly explains some of the concerns you have around a player that has been now on the roster for nearly two full seasons and is not seen in the action for us.
So he'd be a guy to keep an eye on.
As we as we work to the rest of the league, you get anything.
Most news and notes from Giants camp and from Pat Shurmur has just been that don't expect any overwhelming change is.
One of the things that we did see is that there was more of an attacking mentality from the defense of bringing pressure five out of the last six games and five, the last six opponents that the Giants will take on are teams that struggle when you pressure their quarterback and have quarterbacks that have had their issues.
Five out of the six, of course, would be excluding Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers, but this match up, coming up with Mitchell, Travis Key.
Then you're talking about getting into the Miami game.
You still have Washington again there, and then even Carson wants.
The Philadelphia Eagles have certainly had an up and down season for themselves.
So be interesting to see how they try toe broach that defensive front and bringing in pressure as we move through the remainder of the year and better looks too put on display some level of defensive prowess and and communicate that, yes, this team or, more specifically, that I, as the defensive coordinator, could be here next year and be a part of the solution for the New York football giants.
That's the perfect transition to get into our look at the linebackers.
Ah, we talked about last time.
We really got in on the offensive line and players that we wanted to keep an eye on over the end of the season.
Nicholas Gates, being one of those guys, will be interesting to see if soldier can't go to the concussion protocol.
And if rumors also couldn't go, then would it be Eric Smith again in that left side? What with it Giants looked to do in that situation.
But we highlighted.
Not only have the offensive line is played to this point, excuse me, but also how we think some of the players and free agency might plug into the Nets, feel to target them and then give a couple of guys to take a look at in the college ranks.
That'll be coming out early in that first round, especially for the left tackle position.
But then we also took a look at some centers and guards in that 2nd 3rd 4th round range that maybe could be targets for the for the Giants in those middle round picks to help solidify and offer some depth there across the one.
But now we dive into the front seven for this defense, and you know it's gonna be interesting because you're going to pro football focus and we take a look at some of these players.
Some of the numbers may be a little bit surprising.
How they rate out the first guy that I'm thinking of there is, as you go across that line back in court, right? We're talking about the inside linebackers.
You have Buchanan Now.
We saw that, uh, we lost the Pittsburgh defensive Ah, linebacker that we have brought in.
He doesn't really get a lot of a run with us.
He ends up getting back over to Pittsburgh as as we have to cut him.
We now have Down's as well as a peace.
Aeryn, this unit.
I wouldn't anticipate them being a part of this team in the off season, but again, certainly it's young players and may be looking to see if these guys can give you a spark and neither one of them.
I don't think it's on the under 25 side for sure, but still players that you'll look to give him a run.
You've given other guys an opportunity at that inside linebacker position.
The first guy because if you think of is out poultry, don't anticipate him being back.
Expect the New York football Giants to shed that contract and be able to give themselves additional cap room to target free agents.
As we head into the offseason.
He right now on pro football focus, grades out its 59.
6, certainly not one of the stronger performers across the league, but with him.
This team, the problem of courses that you haven't had a lot of strong performers overall toh fo just a 47.
So while I think he's been a little bit of a fan favorite and we'd like to see you can get not some of the action has not been consistent and certainly has not been effective in his opportunities.
And then, of course, we highlight the player who went down with an injury and Ryan Connolly he was playing at a high level for us, even though he rates out, is a 56.
9 on pro football focus.
I think the eye test tells you that given time to continue to develop and learn the system learn and it was a young NFL player, he can come in and make an impact for this team.
I don't know where you're gonna plug him in next year, but you know that he certainly is going to be a part of this team.
Be a part of the rotation and you'll look to see where he ah lines up as you head through next year and it comes back from his injury.
Most players dealing with a similar injury come back healthy are able to contribute.
So look to see more of the same from him.
And at the same time, you know he's not the answer necessarily for you.
You move in, then you can also play that we brought in 43.9.
Now he's this hybrid player that you wanted to go to flex out.
It is sometimes to be able to do some coverage, work for you and then also coming down and contributed stuffing the run.
Contribute the line of scrimmage but hasn't looked so sharp early in his 10 year with the with the Giants.
And certainly a bit of a trend here is we think back to the Curry Martin's of the world that you expect to be gone after this year.
Think about the Antoine Buffets on the back end of this defense.
Guys that once were Cardinals and now find themselves on this roster getting second opportunities, and I don't necessarily think that they hand out by and large inside of this familiar better system.
Now the interesting note will be as we go to the outside linebackers.
Yeah, you go with Carter, Golden Mayo, Zim, Inez And then you also have Martin Martin's a guy rated 57.
3 on pro football.
I don't see him coming back.
I think he's just an expendable casualty with the introduction of a guy like examine is certainly you currently have also golden on this roster.
Right now he is rated at 69.7.
I think you seeing him take the step forward in your number two.
I think that the Giants like a lot about him.
Curious thing is gonna be whether or not he may be a potential to kick inside on this defense and would strengthen what you have there in the middle of the middle of the defensive front.
And then you talk about how you're gonna replace him through free agency or through the draft and create just some more talent across the front seven there for that.
But he reads out the highest across this line right behind him is going to be X man's image as 65.
4 pro football focus.
He's going to get a bigger run here.
I think over these last six games for the New York football giants and you identify those two players as being the young, talented guys that you think and take positive steps forward as they moved through their young careers and be cornerstone pieces for this defense.
So, you know, from the outside, you said you have two definite.
And then depending on if Carter would kick inside the other interesting player making you have Mayo rates out of 64.3.
I don't you know, even though he's played well for us, I guess.
Technically, depending on what kind of contract he came back on, you wouldn't mind having it as being the back of rotational player.
But, you know, I think that he's a replaceable commodity and the Giants certainly could look into free agency and get a veteran presence in there to fill in that void.
The other guy is actually Ah, Markus Golden, right? And here's a player that, in spite of the fact that he has eight sacks for this team on the year, he certainly has shown some burst in games.
But he only rates out at 55.
3 on pro football focus.
I test might tell you that he's playing a little bit better for you, but the bigger concern for the Giants is he's 28 29 years old.
Are you gonna offer him, You know, possibly a sizable contract to return next season to this team because you only can really do that.
We only really want to do that.
If you feel it could be in our high impact player for you.
And at this stage, I'm a little bit between.
I like him, but I don't know if I would say it's worth spending X number of dollars to bring him in on a 43 or four year contract and have him be there long term for you.
And and also then you're saying that we need to rely on him for production going into next season.
So the curious thing that I would want to know is are the Giants in line to get it? Pensa Torrey Pick.
We're golden to sign off on free agency.
If you can line that up with, you know, related back Navy to the Landing Collins scenario where the Giants were able to get 1/3 round compensatory.
If you can tag that two golden, that shirt, he should he move on in the off season, then I think It's a lot easier also because you're giving yourself an additional draft pick to work with and rip, please that body.
So there are a couple of guys there.
Mayo being far less can far less concerning from the Giants perspective than maybe Golden would be.
And a lot of this ties into what happens on the defense's side of the ball is better back next year.
Is Pat Shurmur back? You know, some of these global issues could also reflect on some of the players that brought in on these one year deals. Approve it, deals.
They may come in and then also exit right out the door in the off season.
So that's something to watch on for short.
We already touched on Martin.
I think that he should be gone.
He's obviously fallen right down the depth chart from last season, and it also shows you where the Giants have been in terms of a talent level right the last two years.
Every offseason, new players get brought in, new veterans get brought in.
You see some guys that maybe you were high on start to slide down those depth charts and then they get taken over by someone else.
I think that's going to be similar as we move into just a touch on this defensive front now and how that impacts impacts you across the board.
You know, a guy like Macintosh that maybe we're a little bit higher on last year.
I still like him.
Had injury issues came on late, but now all of a sudden you go and you make the treat for Leonard Williams over from the Jets.
Now you have Dexter Lawrence in the mix there.
You also have B J Hill, who's played pretty well.
And you have a guy like Tomlinson who you know early in the season and certainly living up to the trade deadline.
Once you made the move for Leonard Williams, I was a bit of an advocate for If there's a trade market for Tomlinson, maybe you look to move him to recover some of those draft assets back now, I will.
Maybe I will call it a little bit in between here because, you know, historically, if you're a Giants fan, you know that the defensive front has been such a n'importe component of their success in the Super Bowl runs of the Eli Manning era in the tub with Tom Coughlin.
You know, now when you look at this defensive front and we'll run through, these numbers really is just quickly here for you.
Lawrence getting raided out at 82.
8 rookie already showing that he can be an important component in the middle of that defense of line there.
2 even Macintosh limit not getting as many reps grading out at 67.
4 and then Tomlinson's the big 1 80.
He's had a big year for himself, so you know.
Either way, I think this place of the Giants fever if you shown you that he has value great, you can hang on to him so you could go all the way into next season.
Still have Tomlinson on this roster.
And then maybe as you're working through the week 45 and six, seeing how these rotations shake out, seeing how a BJ Hill was performing, you know, in Dexter Lawrence, and then you have Leonard Williams in a full year.
Maybe then you can still look to move on from him and coming off a strong season would still have some solid trade value, Only difference being.
Now he's gonna be moving into the final year of his contract.
So decisions, we're gonna have to get made around him.
And likewise for Macintosh, Right? Young player has shown that he can contribute.
Hasn't necessarily with the world on fire.
But if you wanna have a rotation of solid bodies that can come in and out that you can mix and match based on passing or running downs.
You know, old a sudden it makes sense that maybe you want Dexter Lawrence and Tomlinson off the field on 1/3 and long.
Okay, so maybe it is that William stays in there along with the B J Hill and a Macintosh, or some combination of those players to give you a little bit of more athleticism and have a little bit arrange as you're fighting for off the offensive line and trying to just maybe cover some of that zone area.
Not that Leonard Williams, you know, is a Jason Pierre Paul athleticism along those lines, but he certainly is more athletic than what you would get out of.
Ah, Dexter Lawrence in the middle.
There so so opportunity to mix and match If those are the five core body that you go into next year with knowing that you have some long term opportunity to get a contract extension down the road for Dexter Lawrence, knowing that you theoretically are supposed to be signing Leonard Williams to an extension.
He already has five q B hurries in just two games for the Giants, so we've already seen an impact from him.
I know a lot of times fans wanna look at sack numbers and say, If you're not getting sacks and you're not effective, he has been impacting please.
Even in the Dallas game, we saw him look pretty sharp.
Being able to force Dak Prescott to get rid of a little bit sooner lead to some incompletions.
I know that was an ugly game for the Giants, but there are still positives from individual play perspective.
So this is an area that I'm not I'm not necessarily sure about.
Tomlinson and Macintosh are probably the two question marks here.
Would you move on from either one of them? I think Macintosh a little bit easier to keep on the roster and let that play itself out.
Where's Tomlinson? You're in a position of either you need to move on from him and get value back.
Or you're thinking that maybe he really is a part of the long term, a future for the Giants and hit he along with a B.
J Hill and along with the Macintosh.
Maybe these guys play out next year and you try to siphon out.
Is there too out of these three bodies that we would prefer? And, you know, does Tomlinson and a kind of going the route of Linval Joseph, who plays his time here, moves on and then certainly takes his game two to a new level when he when he goes and joins the Minnesota Vikings.
But I'll be curious to see, because I always liken that defensive front needing it to be something that you can run different guys out there keep people young and fresh when they're on the field.
Ah, I wouldn't mind if they were all back, but I don't know right now what you want to look for when we talk about some of the possibilities that the Giants may look at to bring in here, right? A couple of edge guys are outside guys.
So let's say the corner kicks into the inside linebacker position and you want to pair him up with I mean, you know, theoretically, right now you're talking about putting him there with Ogletree.
But let's say Ryan Connelly, if healthy, and you have Carter and Connolly there in the middle of that linebacking corps going into next season, bent on the outside edge, the others players like Barrett down in Tampa Bay.
He's 27 years old.
He has 12 sacks on the year, has 44 funnels.
I mean, this is a guy who's having a heck of a season.
I don't know if his availability is going to be there.
Come free agency is unrestricted.
Would attempt Bay Buccaneers want to bring him back again? You're talking about a team under a new regime, and certainly we're gonna be having some moving parts.
And sometimes, you know, an organization identifies a guy who has a good season for them, but they don't equate the value, and that's where someone else can come in.
Unlike last year and likes a pretty years passed with the Giant.
I don't want to see us over pursuing guys in free agency and, you know, just spending money for the sake of it.
You know, like Nate Soldier, where he ends up being the richest left tackle at the time and, you know, coming in that it wasn't about we're paying him, you know, the highest contracting a left tackle because he's the number one left tackle.
Know it because we have a whole of this position and we need to fill it.
But if a guy like Barrett was available reading out a 72.
1 on pro football focus, you know, 27 years old, you consign them to, you know, for your contract and feel like you're going to now get the best stretch of him over the next four seasons.
And as we talked about those other ratings, he would immediately plugin out on that edge and become a starter for you so you could put if you kicked in Carter and then you replaced him with Barrett on the outside.
Maybe down in Baltimore of Judah and 28 years old race out of 67.
3 on pro football focus.
23 tackles, three assists, six sacks and a forced fumble for the Baltimore Ravens.
Again, this is a team where, unlike maybe, Tampa Bay, who's in a rebuilding Mozart on themselves, trying to piece things together, Baltimore playing at an incredibly high level.
But when you play a scheme in a system, sometimes a guy 28 years old, he can be a movable piece.
The age is right on the border of where I would want the Giants to be presuming a free agent at that position.
28 gonna be 20 I and then next year.
So, you know, are you getting Are you gonna get the one or two more years of his high level football? Or are you talking about a guy who's may be reaching a ceiling and then started to take a step back? And with it without reading that you see out there? You certainly would.
I think that you know it's going to be someone who is going to be on par with what we've seen from some of the guys were favorable for on the current Giants roster and the interesting to see if he could plug in and be effective there as well.
You know, the other There's also Fowler's out there.
I don't see that being really an option.
I think that, you know, he'll return back to his same spot there, but, you know, out in ah, out in Kansas City, out in Tennessee, guys like wrangling guys like Korea.
These were players that are younger that haven't raided out particularly well.
But they're 25 24 25 26 years old.
You're gonna have a little bit more to stretch with them a little bit more athleticism.
And also, they're gonna come in a smaller price point.
So you have to think about not only replacing starters as the Giants need to, but a combination between this and then looking into the draft.
How are you going to get that complement of having plugging in a player that you feel like you have a quantifiable return on that investment lake? Lorenzo Carter.
I think internally the organization would say we know what to expect from him on a week to week basis, and then you want maybe a younger player that is going to struggle at times, but as a sub package and can come in and maybe give you a flash make a couple of impact plays, you know, throughout the season that's worth taking.
The gamble on, especially the contract, makes sense and then avoiding putting in a lot of money to a veteran player that then expectations air on Martin is a good example of that from last year, right come down to this year, he's on a big contract, but he's a guy that now you Giants fans were told he's going to be a player that plugs in and makes an impact for this defense.
And by year to all the sudden, you're looking at him.
I know he's had some injuries, but bottom line is now, so you're gonna go right.
This was just he plugged in to start on a bad team, But he's not a contributor on a decent or good team, and that's where you want to see the Giants move away from some players like that.
Uh, you know, I won't go too much into defensive line front.
We all know about Chase Young being out there in that top echelon of the draft for the Giants.
I think we should We touched on this the last time left tackle.
You know, edge rusher, defensive lineman and in those in those ranges, or where you want to see the Giants go certainly in the draft, you know, depending on where they fall.
If we happen to win a couple of games and start to push back a little bit, do you take that opportunity to slide back? Few more spots is worth the guy for left tackle that maybe you can snag closer than 10 or 12 12.
Pick in the draft as opposed to needing to be up in the top three like Thomas would.
Or like a Chase Young would be.
So, you know, interesting to see how these six games play outs that's gonna dictate what we want to target when it comes to draft time.
Free agency wise.
You know, I touched on some of those guys in a linebacker corps.
There's not a lot of great options, and Shaq Lawson is also a player that's out there.
But again, you can't go too far down the road about a player that you think he was having a good season than team likes him that you would expect him to return.
You have to see how these things kind of play out and again.
Also, I don't want to see us fishing with money.
I want to see us making this smart moves, not necessarily the reach moves.
And again, I don't want heart back on the soldier but to spend money.
Or we could go back even further.
Jonathan Stewart, right to bring that in a guy like that.
I knows, you know, veteran in the locker room.
Good present stands of having injuries is not effective.
His career was clearly over.
You end up investing a lot of money in a player that you could have put into.
Ah, Young, 23 24 undrafted free agent.
You could go on a multiple young free agents at any position around the team and then just said, Okay, let's get him into camp.
Let's see what they can do.
Instead, you utilize a roster spot on a you know, past his prime, done Jonathan Stewart, and you don't know what you could have brought in or who could have shown you something over the course of the year and find those proverbial diamond in the rough.
So as we move towards the matchup with Chicago Bears, I'll be coming back in later in the week and doing a little bit more on it.
I will give you just a quick as I take a look at the notes here.
Ah, you got the Giants getting getting six and 1/2 in this one.
The over under is at 40 and 1/2 currently.
So, you know, on the Moneyline sits at Giants getting plus 2 35 So you know, the ah, if you're if you're in that bed and kind of mentality and you want just the early tidbits on it Giants are five against the spread going, eh? Uh, against the cargo bears in their last five matchups.
For what that's worth? Certainly Chicago's been up and down.
Um, you know, getting six and 1/2.
I can see that being reasonable.
The Giants offense has certainly shown flashes and games probably comes down to have have the Chicago Bears look, as they say as the defensive unit tries to attack and get us out of our rhythm.
And then again, who's healthy? Who's not? I have not been a fan of Nate Soldier.
I'd rather see if Bremer's looks like he's healthy enough to go great.
Plug him back in at right tackle.
He hasn't been setting the world on fire there, but I wouldn't mind getting Gates over then to the left side of both of them around.
You're talking about having Smith going back into that left tackle position, then I think we're facing some some issues when it comes to the clear maximum world for Chicago and then our offense being able to be effective.
So we'll dive into this game a little bit deeper later in the week.
I just want to come on, talk about some of those injury updates, and if you join us a little bit late, you could obviously go back and watch this again.
Back at the start of it, talked about how Nate soldiers, still in concussion protocol, rember is dealing with a back injury has been seen on the practice field.
I didn't mention Evan Ingram is out of the walking boot, but kind of in between there.
There's rumors about Sterling Shepard and the possibility of him returning this season.
I don't know if this week is going to be the week for him.
From a pure fan perspective, I'd rather him just almost shut it down this year.
Get himself 100% healthy concussions, head injuries or no joke.
And now he has two already this year to go with other concussions that he's had in his career.
So I'm not looking to force him back early in any way, shape or form.
But Evan Engram, if you could get out there, be healthy.
Obviously, it's another weapon, and we'll see if Daniel Jones could have the same kind of connection.
And success with the Dairy is sleeping in this one that we saw last week.
So Stillson moving parts, I'll come back in.
It's Wednesday, So probably on Friday.
We'll check back in and just see where we stand on some of these injury updates and and how some of the players are looking and then also dive into the draft side of the linebacker and who we maybe want to target in the draft for the New York football Giants and just players that they can certainly take a look at as we had to drive it now for the linebacking corps outside of the Chase young piece, I'm gonna go back more towards 3rd 4th 5th round selections I'm gonna pull up all the pics that the Giants have in this one coming up, Then talk about the potential.
If we sign Leonard Williams to a contract, that fifth becomes 1/4.
So we'll get our fifth back but will obviously lose 1/4 round pick.
They're trying to figure out where we line up in terms of the draft from that regard.
And then saying, If we talk about the tackle offensive line being need number one and then dictating about you around Chase Young were you staff Getting into linebackers is the second round pick.
But Or maybe you go D B, depending on how San Veal looks, depending on how Baker can play over these last handful of games.
So you know the hearts dictate where they go.
So I kind of want to go into the middle pics of this draft where the Giants can have a little bit of play and maybe find some players that you think you'd be contributors, if not, you know, from day one starting studs.
But I'd like to know that we have options throughout the draft to plug in and get contributors that can come in and help this defensive unit.
So if you head into this weekend matchup, obviously excited, we'll be touching back in.
But keep an eye on the linebacking corps, so use getting in there again.
You kind of know who's not gonna be here.
Most likely, but that defensive front, it's certainly a unit. Tow watch.
How does Tomlinson continue to look? How is Leonard Williams look as he gets up to speed and into rhythm with this defense? And then in the second units that Macintoshes, you know, see how he could books when he comes in as well? Because I think the Giants are gonna be evaluating him very heavily so that they know if we wanted to move on from Tomlinson, who's playing at a high level and get some draft captain compensation back for him.
Is Macintosh going to be the contributor next year? Can we look to extend him on a contract as being a part of this unit? So those are the areas that I would certainly look at, and then, if you're if you're watching around the NFL in general, touch it and see what Barrett is doing for Tampa Bay, see what you Don is doing for Baltimore and see if you think that they would plug into our system.
Well, it could be an asset for us because these last handful of games and we know the Giants are playing for anything in terms of playoffs.
I know technically we're not eliminated just yet, But assuming that we're not playing for anything here now, you want to look around not just in our own team, but also around the league and see if there's guys that we might like that's gonna do it for the mid week, wrap up here.
I'll come back in on Friday.
I'll probably try to get it on Friday morning and just give you some of the insights around the college game and what we're seeing.
Identify some players.
You can take a look on Saturday matchups at the college level to see if you like any of the players you're seeing on the defensive side of the bowl.
There we'll go over any updates to the lines heading into the Chicago matchup game and then if you are following us on iTunes and likings with driving, downloading the one giant podcast, Andy and myself will be getting on.
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