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Good morning, everybody.
It is Wednesday.
It's November the 20.
If it is full press coverage is second anniversary.
So Happy birthday.
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Little surprised if you didn't know So Ah, welcome to the show, folks.
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Bye, Mr Mike Debate R F P C Patriots Managing Editor Mike, How are you this morning? Low Happy anniversary night, friend.
Few years already.
And you know, for those of you that don't know, even I have probably worked together now for over three Ah, and two years in a venture that was his brainchild and a oh, so much of the success off full press coverage to this man's vision.
Um, knowing exactly what you want to do is one thing.
Being able to do it and having the courage to do it is another.
This guy has them both.
He has the courage and the vision.
It's been my honor to work with you.
For the past three years.
It's been more of an honor for me to call you a friend and a colleague, but at the same time, I look forward to calling you both for many years.
So congratulations, my friend.
Here's to great things on the horizon for this organization.
Well, like Thea the late, great Harry Stamper once said, I'm on Leah's good as the people around me.
And, ah, I'm gonna listen to a guy that's called all all go.
No, quit Harry Stamper.
So, uh, you know, any any time we get to bring him up the hero that he is fictional or not? Um, you know, it kind of makes sense.
But here are the heroes, my friend.
Yes, but I that it Thanks, Mike.
That that was That was nice.
That was very that was very kind.
And again, you know, I do mean it when I say, you know, the people that do work at the site and do put in the long hours and, you know, just kind of grind through each and every day and each and every week You there, the power behind it.
You know, I just kind of pay the bills.
So and and that's how that's how I knew it was two year anniversary because a few bills came up, but that's that's besides the point.
We're, uh we're not gonna get into specifics of that, But I did want to bring it up and say, you know, thank you to everyone who has, you know, been a fan of the site who continues to be the fantasy.
And, ah, for all you new fans out there.
Hopefully adding this video element, adding some more audio on radio and all this other stuff is it's going pretty good.
So, um, it's Wednesday.
We've got quite a bit to talk about today.
Um, yeah, we do, in fact.
Yeah, Yeah, we Ah, at some point, we're gonna give our baseball Hall of Fame balance.
We kind of started talking about the Hall of Fame yesterday.
We kind of ran short on time, but, um, we're gonna give our ballots as it works.
You can pick up the 10 players.
Ah, in the real Hall of Fame, they have to garner 75% of the vote and to get in.
So it'll be interesting.
You know, we make not have 10 on our ballot and I'm gonna venture to say that maybe both of us probably are gonna hit that 10.
Because going over this list, it was actually a little bit harder to really hammer down.
You know all these names, so we'll go over that in a little bit more detail later in the show, we got some news and notes.
Tonio Brown's back in the news.
I like talking about Antonio Brown.
Um, got some other things.
Mark Walton, Front back.
Dolphins got cut yesterday after some disturbing information coming out following his arrest, about physically harming his pregnant girlfriend.
Which again, that's real life stuff that you don't want to hear, but good for the Dolphins.
They cut bait right away and moved on.
Not not to draw comparisons.
Anything else but dolphins do what they had to do.
And that's that.
So, uh, I'm I'm excited.
We we look, I like baseball.
We don't get to talk about it as much.
Um, I feel like we talked about yesterday.
I feel pretty strongly about some of the processes in the Baseball Hall of Fame, so I'm pretty excited to be able to kind of give our opinion and be ableto list list.
Thea, the players we think should be getting in.
And I think, uh, hopefully differ so we can argue and go back and forth and maybe slip a few cuss words in here.
But we also have Bryan Snow is gonna join us later for a little little crossover action.
I'm gonna talk some N b a with him, I'm sure.
I'm sure he's gonna have a lot of great things to say about LeBron.
We know him Any time he comes on, he, me and him just talk about his LeBron's greatness.
So, uh, we should ask him about Gronk's performance last night on the court statement.
Yes, with Lakers Girl's it is.
It's unbelievable to see that.
And I know there's just something about Gronk wearing Lakers gear.
It just doesn't seem right.
That that was very Ah, that was very David Ortiz putting on a Yankees hat in that classic ESPN commercial.
But no, I I saw that I saw that video this morning.
Actually, I thought it was really funny.
James Corden and Rob Gronkowski kind of reminded me of Chris Farley and, um, the late the great, you know, tricks ways.
This'll ese train from the classic SNL skit, dancing up there for Chip in one of the greatest SNL skits of all time.
I mean, I still there is still not a moment that goes by that.
I'll see that sketch and not laugh hysterically.
That and Matt Foley, motivational speaker.
I mean, you could pretty much put those on loop.
Yeah, that goes into the pantheon of me.
The original Saturday Night Live cast.
Obviously, it's still probably, I think, the greatest collection of talent ever assembled at Studio One A.
Wherever they film, the wherever they film the, uh, the, uh, weekly episodes of Saturday Night Live at NBC Studios.
But, uh, that cast was pretty pretty good and finally was just he was so far ahead of his time.
We'll be very slowly missed.
Yeah, and and and specifically that I again if everyone knows it was a classic, you know that just just the idea of the comedy of the two of them going out competing for a, uh, quote, you know, male dancer parole.
It's just it's funny and, you know, you throw in the fact that you have Ah, I'm completely blanking on the his real name.
For some reason, No, it's coming into my mind.
Is Mr Chisel from from Cram odds boy, But ah, you know who I'm talking about.
He was on weeds.
Um, the guy who is judging Kevin dealing? Yes.
Oh, man, I feel so bad because I love can.
Kevin, you And this is just some of this early morning fogginess tryingto No, no, no, no.
I mean, he's been He's been in so many movies. Happy Gilmore.
Yeah, he's done so many, like, great, like, little cameo roles.
And Kevin Nealon was always, I think, very underrated.
I thought he did a good job on weekend update.
I thought he had that subtle, you know, deadpan delivery that just, you know, had a mixture of sarcasm and wit.
So no, it's it's It's all good.
That's Ah, that's fine.
That's that's why I'm here, my friend. Yeah, exactly.
You kind of helped balance me out.
No, I actually I loved him.
If you hadn't seen I think it was Showtime did it, but weeds.
Ah, he was great.
As, like, kind of the spacey like pothead.
So you know, got kind of right up his alley for, like, his like, character type.
You know, the types that he plays in those comedies.
But yeah, it was it was great.
But anyways, I don't know how we got to this point, but yes.
Gronk in court and was like Swayze e and Farley.
So Ah, yeah, I thought that was really funny, but at the same time, my stomach was a little uneasy seeing him in Lakers Golden, uh, and and white and yeah, the bad taste in my mouth.
But anyways, that's what we're talking about.
We're not talking about that former New England patriot to start.
We're gonna talk about another former New England Patriots.
Yes, he was a renewing the Patriot for just 11 days.
But, um Antonio Brown, um, I don't know if it's it's it's necessarily shocking or just I guess, a little unexpected.
But you know, when you start to kind of look at what's been going on the last week or so, it it may be not as unexpected if if certain things kind of come together.
But obviously yesterday he on instagram and eventually on Twitter, he posted, and I'm going to read right from it, and I'm gonna show off my reading ability.
Uh, Mr Kraft, I apologize sincerely to you and your organization.
All I wanted to be was an asset to the organization.
Sorry for the bad media and the drama.
So, um, say what you will about who he is and what he's done in terms of what we know he's actually done, which is at the very worst kind of acted like a fool.
And I think he would admit that.
And this apology to me kind of tells me he probably realizes he he acted a little irresponsibly.
Now again, that's not speaking about the investigation and the ah lawsuit in civil court against him.
I mean, we just don't know.
I mean, again, I've repeated this over and over again.
No one knows one way or the other except those two.
And eventually we will find out, and we we we can you know, that's when you can cast judgment.
I guess you can say and inform your opinion.
Or at least in my opinion, that's when you should Not any time before, because, um, not only does he issued this apology yesterday, but obviously we know on Saturday or I'm sorry.
On Thursday, he went and met with the NFL.
Apparently, he met for his eight hours, he says, or at least reports are that he is hoping for a fairly quick response from the NFL, one way or the other, and, ah, reports about out of his camp is he's cautiously optimistic because, you know, look, let's face it.
Ah, Since he was cut from the Patriots, there's been nothing of nothing new to this case.
There's been nothing.
No new information.
No, we don't know any more than we did the day that he was still in New England Patriots.
So, um, and sunshine, he's he's done a adequate job, I guess of of staying out of it the, you know, the media's I mean, he said a few incidences over the course of the last several months, you know, And when I say incidents, I don't that's probably the worst word because I think that that adds a very negative connotation to it.
But he said a few things on Twitter that, you know, Yeah, you probably just gotta put it down and let it go.
I mean, we're all world guilty of saying stupid thing.
So I'm not gonna well, that necessarily against him.
But look, he's been relatively quiet.
He's kind of just doing his thing, playing with his kids, working out and lobbying for his job back.
So you know me, Mike, You D'oh! Three years.
Um, since day one, I've been kind of on the whole Patriot shouldn't have cut him, and I I I have not moved off that.
I still think they should have let this play out.
And the longer this goes And the more that we learn about all this, all this little these little tidbits coming out.
It makes me feel even stronger about that fact, because I'm getting the feeling that put on this the exempt list, this idea that he would automatically be put on it, the second signed with a team.
I don't understand how this idea caught wind so quickly in the reasoning is the NFL decided that they weren't going to do it to begin with.
So what has changed since then? Yes.
And you could say, Oh, well, the threatening Theo Intimidating, um, text message and you know, you contar pit, interpret it as as however you want, But really, nothing has changed since they decided that they weren't going to do this.
So why would they now, you know, the second he signs with the team, say, All right, you know what you're going on? The example is that that would be in my eyes, look very, very bad on their part.
Not that there, you know, afraid of looking bad.
They kind of look back whenever they open their mouths to do any sort of investigation.
But, um, to me, if there was nothing there that would warrant them all of a sudden, changing and flipping the script and they know what you know what, you're exempt.
Especially with the whole Tyree kill situation over the summer.
It just didn't make sense to me.
So, um, but now we're hearing that.
Okay, Maybe it does come out pretty positive for Antonio Brown through this meeting.
So I am starting to to get more of the feeling that he's eventually gonna play this season, and my percentage of him playing with the Patriots has probably gone up.
And I know people like all, it's just a pipe dream.
This is foolish.
You know, some people on chose social media have kind of dug in on their side, and that's kind of what it is.
I mean, you're you're either a pro are you're either against him or for him.
And, you know, the people are against them are the ones that are saying, Oh, it's stupid, It will never happen.
The the Patriots have never given second or third chances blah, blah, blah.
It's like Okay, great.
I'm glad you know that.
So we'll see how it actually plays out.
Um, I'm getting the feeling more and more that he's gonna end up playing this year.
And by every indication, I I honestly think a reunion with the Patriots is is starting to look I don't want to say likely, but more like a possibility.
And that possibility.
I think it is far more realistic than I think people are giving credit to.
So, um, I've been talking for, like, six straight minutes.
So, Mike, I'm going to give you the floor a little bit and let you, ah, kind of, you know, has your opinion changed at all.
And do you are you coming over to my side a little bit in terms of thinking, this may be a possibility.
I'm not quite there yet.
But I will say I'm more optimistic about his signing in New England from a pure football standpoint.
Mind you, then I have been in recent weeks, and that's because, first of all, two things like you said information coming out all of a sudden, This apology drops on Instagram yesterday and the timing is suspect, and it's interesting to find out why he did what he did when he did it.
You have to think that the meeting that he had with the NFL, which by all intents and purposes, took place last week you have to wonder if you have to wonder if there was a feeling that came out of that meeting where he believed that putting out a a message of this type was going to be something that was gonna beneficially help him throughout the rest of the season and maybe even down the line and helped to rehabilitate his image.
So that's one thing that kind of surprised me a little bit.
The timing of it, uh, how it came out, the tone of it, which, in my opinion, seems sincere.
I mean, I'm not gonna, you know, question his motives Or, you know, I mean, I've seen people on social media saying, Well, if you believe that or you know the words of skin DD yes, I know, you know, we live in a cynical society.
Let's face it, everybody is skeptical of everyone, and no one's willing to give anybody the benefit of the doubt.
But in this situation, I think it's warranted to at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
When it comes to that, The problem is, and you mentioned the commissioners the list you never completely know for sure what exactly is gonna happen there? I think a lot of that is twofold.
We don't know what the NFL may know.
We don't know if there's any other information.
We don't know if there's a situation where there's another shoe to drop.
Its a little interesting to me that no other team has been has bothered to touch him While he's been a free agent.
He could have been signed and put on a roster at any point if there's any type of doubt in these teams minds or something that the league may have quote unquote slipped under the door of some of these franchises and said, Don't go near him because we've got stuff on him.
You sign them, we're putting him on the exempt list.
That makes sense.
I'm not saying that this is gonna happen by any stretch of the imagination, but it makes you wonder.
It does make you doubt.
It puts that quote unquote reasonable doubt in your head about it.
So that's one thing that's a problem for me.
The second is, I think, maybe a little bit of paranoia on the part of Patriots fans.
And look, we're weary here in New England of the commissioner's office.
I'm not gonna mince words. It's the truth.
Ever since the Flake Gate, ever since not at Wells running around and you're in big trouble and all the junk that went on there and then all of the Spy gate negativity, I think there's some hesitation on the part of Patriots fans and maybe even Patriots media to go out there on a limb and say, This guy's gonna come in.
So those are the issues that I'm looking at right now when it comes to Antonio Brown.
But if there's any traction to be gained foreign Antonio Brown reunion This is the time this is the time, because you're not going to get probably a more sympathetic ear when it comes to the fan's perspective.
And you're probably not going to get a better shot if you're Antonio Brown than right now to come back to New England because time's running out on the season, too.
Let's not forget we're only 12 you know, and that's and that's that's a huge thing.
And like you said, all these all these little things that the timing is peculiar.
I wouldn't say suspect, because I do think again that it seems, Yeah, that was it, that you know what words? Yeah, you're correct.
Did that cause that's no lie.
Here I am coming across his old high and mighty.
I mean, I'm the one yesterday who again I own it, but I still can't believe I typed it out.
But I wrote He leaves out like l e a V e a V e s.
And it took me a minute and then I reread it.
I'm like the hell was I thinking? So you know, I corrected and say left out and whatever and eyes.
Look, people have a pining for an edit button.
Edit buttons are for losers.
Own your mistakes.
All right? And look, the only way I would like it and it.
But edit button on Twitter is if you can see what they originally edited.
So and that would that would to me would that would be the only because of you.
If you If you don't like that, then you're clearly trying to mislead people change.
But, hey, that's just what I own my mistakes.
Okay? I I sometimes miss speak and miss type, So just remember, Twitter support tells you you always have an edit button in your head.
Yes, that's right.
And think before you speak.
And in keeping on that that whole, uh, topic.
It kind of works well with this topic that we're talking about with Antonio Brown.
But, um, look, it just I've always felt that the you know, obviously, aside from the NFL, uh, the biggest hurdle in terms of getting him back on the Patriots is Robert Kraft.
Um, I I think Tom Brady would've welcome welcome him with open arms.
I think Bill Belichick would welcome him with open arms.
I think a majority of the team would welcome him with open arms and and And I'm not one to sit here and try to read into too many of the social media likes that get thrown out by these players.
But, ah, the apology got a lot of reaction from Patriots players.
And and that doesn't tell me that anything's closer.
There's breaking news or anything like that.
No, what it tells me is these guys support him one way or the other, whether they think he they're trying to get him back on the team or if, ah, you know, if they were just supporting him as a human, Um, you know, we don't really know.
But the fact is, I believe they are supporting them.
And then to me, that that's another check box.
And the How do you get Antonio Brown back on the Patriots? Well, he's got to be wanted specifically by the coach in the quarterback.
If the coach in the quarterback one or the other don't want him there, it's never going to happen.
Let's let's face it, I mean that's they're just too far too important of pieces on this in this franchise that have a direct effect on the field.
Obviously, Robert Kraft and Jonathan Kraft and all that obviously have a big impact.
But you know, not on the actual field.
So these two people have a strong opinion.
They clearly want him back.
That that's one hurdle, Um, another is the whole looming NFL investigation.
That really was kind of the biggest to me.
The biggest thing, because with that hanging over his head, I don't think any team was gonna even bother, because again, there's a whole negative cloud surrounding Antonio Brown and a lot of it is based on, you know how people you know figured his situation was gonna play on a lot of them.
Assumed he's going directly on the the, uh ah, exemplars.
So I'm not gonna put too much stock into other teams not being interested.
I think there are a lot of them just looking at the ah, you know, the likelihood or quote unquote the except the expectation that he was going on the example is, but that hurdle seems to be coming into sight.
He's either gonna clear it or he's not.
And if he clears that, I think that really that would absolutely catapult my percentage in terms of him returning, because on top of that, it's clear as day he wants to be back there.
So I guess this is where he wants to do.
So I think that is a huge factor, especially if other teams come calling now again.
That's not to say he wouldn't latch on somewhere else once he exhausted every opportunity he could get to return to New England.
But I think some teams see that I don't think of bad team's gonna be interested in him because I think he would be a issue with a bed team.
Let's face it like he's not a player that meant to be on a team that's losing one.
He's far too good, too.
You just know it could become volatile.
You put him in New England and let's face it, he was fine on the football field.
He was fined in the locker room.
It was it was that one misstep that I think gave them the reason our Gabe craft the reason to move on and I think with the expectation that things were going to get hotter around him in terms of his vote to, you know, be involved.
But really, it hasn't.
It's actually cool down quite a bit.
So I think those major hurdles are starting to be cross.
Now again, we'll find out about the NFL, hopefully soon.
And if and and I said this last week even before, like they need to make a decision quickly, like they've let this drag on long enough, they're they're very selective in terms of how they want to approach certain topics and how they want to tax certain things.
So, um, yeah, I'll be interested to see what, what? Ultimately, that that entails.
And are they going thio make a decision this week? Who knows? But if they clear him and say, Look, he's until further notice, he's not going to be on the exam Pless.
I expect the pages to be a very serious contender because I do think the apology is going to go well with Kraft and again the influence off.
I think Bill and Tom and if you if you believe the rumors out there, there's There has been some influence in that.
And, uh, I'm keeping the dream alive.
And, uh, like I said, every time, every time I think I'm out.
You just pulled me right back in and absolutely great great line and very appropriate for this.
No question about it.
Look, I think you hit so many good points, but the really the point that I really want to hop on is the point of Bill Bella checking Tom Brady.
So many people, when Antonio Brown was cut, were trying to justify the fact and said all Bill Belichick didn't want any distractions.
He didn't want this guy on the field.
I I don't buy that for a second bill double check and Tom Brady or two guys that can handle distractions, folks.
And I don't think either one of them are really worried about the optics of what it looks like.
Having a guy like Antonio Brown in the locker room.
They're out to win football games.
That's their job, folks.
And to sit there and to say that these guys need to be the the morality police, I think, is a little bit disingenuous if you're looking at pure from a pure football standpoint and what happened off the field factually.
Now, I'm not talking about speculation, and you mentioned this earlier, which I think is a very good point as well.
You have to go with the facts of what happened, what we know to this point.
So basing those two factors, this wasn't a situation where he was cut simply because he was an off field or aren't in the locker room. Distraction.
He was cut because I believe Robert Kraft felt he didn't have a choice any longer and did not want the image of the Patriots tarnished by having a guy like Antonio Brown on the roster.
He probably knee jerk looked like there was a lot more information coming and said, Before this gets worse, we have to cut ties.
He's got the Aaron Hernandez situation on his shoulders.
Granted, I think the Patriots handle that as best they possibly could.
But there is still a lot of people that criticize them and think that, you know, Bill Belichick enabled him, and I mean, we've heard all these things about Aaron Hernandez, which is just absolutely amazing.
And again folks, please do not misconstrue.
I'm not comparing Antonio Brown, Aaron Hernandez.
There is no question about it.
There is one vile human being that is no longer with us on this earth.
Antonio Brown is nowhere near that level.
So please, I'm not, you know, combining the two.
But it's something where this organization is very tuned into their public image.
And I think that's what force crafts and a little bit in terms of their ability to bring him back again.
Another great point that I think you made is that this was never anything to do with on the field.
I mean, even when he was cut, I went on record saying that, you know, I talked to members in the organization that said that he was talking to Jared, stick him on the practice field and says, All right, well, I'm gonna meet you back here tonight.
We're gonna go over these drills And it wasn't so much for in because there were no cameras there.
I mean, there was no, you know, do***entation of this or anything like that.
This actually didn't come out until after he was cut.
He was not only helping himself, he was actually doing it for stadiums benefit as well.
And he says, I'll get you some reps.
I'll get you some throws.
I'll show you how to throw down, You know? Then you know.
So these were things where he was actually very well liked in this locker room.
So it's not a big shock why the Patriots players are liking his instagram.
Post it every every post.
It's, I think, their way of being able to show their appreciation for someone that was a pretty good team mate while he was here.
Now again, a lot of this is predicated on the fact that maybe the allegations against him are not as serious as they once appeared.
That's a complete game changer.
If all of a sudden hard evidence is presented that he's guilty of what he's accused of, that could be the only thing that could really derail this and then in that situation.
If that's the case and he is guilty of these accusations, then you have to wonder whether he ever deserves to be on a football field again.
Well, and that's and that's and that's obviously the thing and unfortunately, the people Ah, you know, nowadays, people lean towards guilt rather than innocence when things first come out.
You have to work backwards.
And I think, uh, you know, and that's the biggest hurdle that Antonio Brown has had the face.
And look, I tell people all the time when they sit here and be like, you know, how can you support this? Blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, look, you know, imagine.
Put yourself in his shoes and you know you're innocent.
And he is, say, is Anderson.
I mean, there's certainly a very good possibility he is.
All these things that were said about him.
Maybe there again, just we We've seen it in the past like people make stuff up.
So yeah, you know, say he's innocent.
In all of a sudden, you're being attacked by every every person and out of every corner of every part of this world, calling you a rapist and and this that and the other.
And you just how would you handle it? I you know, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like, you know, I was gonna handle it any better than he did.
And by that I mean going on and voicing my frustration and saying things that.
You know, maybe if I wasn't as worked up or anxious or, uh angry, I wouldn't say so again.
I'm not justifying the things that you know, he said.
Or how he hand himself on social media sometimes even though again, I you know, it's You may not like what he said about Robert Kraft, but look, the tweet was true.
I mean, I love Robert Kraft, and I don't think it was, Ah, big issue, and I don't think it is a big deal.
What happened? You know, he's dealing with his situation, and so be it.
It's not a big deal, but, um, what Antonio Brown said wasn't false.
It's just it was a It's just not the right thing to say when you're when you're trying to get back to what you're trying to get to.
So, um, Sony Sony this say if that's the worst thing a patent Antonio Brown, then you know what I again he deserves to play, deserves to be in this league.
He deserves to be able to earn a living off of this league.
And, ah, let's face it, this isn't just some player.
I mean, you know, he comes, he hits the football field.
He's the top 34 receiver in this league.
And, ah, you know, on this team, I think you would be a great benefit.
And there's there's one other thing to and not one other connection here.
That I think it's very, very important within this whole structure and how this situation is played out.
And that's Drew Rosenhaus, agent and, uh, point.
He has a A a very strong relationship with the Patriots.
He's done business with Bill Bell, check in the craft family for a very long time.
Uh, that was part of I think that was part of the way they got Antonio Brown there so quickly.
You know, once he was cut from the Raiders, there was, ah, longstanding relationship, which makes these things easier to come, you know, get together.
So I think that plays a factor.
Ah, one of the other interesting things.
And again, I don't wantto I don't want to give too much credence to against social media likes and Instagram likes and and all that.
But, um, another, another person who liked that apology was Willie McGinest and I I think that's ah intriguing if you know the Patriots organization even now, well, he's pretty tight in, um, especially how close he is with Tom in particular, how close he is with Robert Kraft and obviously Bill Belichick.
So you and I think he was one of the Ah, you had to cut him at the time, people.
And I think he basically echoed a lot of things we've said.
It's like you just can't You can't do what you did.
You can't send that text message.
You can't do this, which which is understandable.
And I accept that and and I think he's Ah, he's a guy you listen to or at least you know, think about things that he says or likes or whatever.
So I I think that's little factor.
If you want to sit here and try to read the tea leaves, So um yeah, no, I think so.
I think that you make some good points.
And again there were.
That's funny that you mentioned about Social Media likes because there is an Internet rumor floating around right now, and I haven't been able to substantiate it.
So in no way am I endorsing this or anything are saying that there's substance behind it.
There isn't Internet, um, rumor out there that I haven't been able to debunk yet, either.
So if you want the Lloyd Christmas, so you're saying there's a chance.
Yeah, there's a chance there is a rumor out there right now that back channel communications between Real Rosenhaus and may be members of the organization acting under, you know, good faith, I guess is the best way to put it said that a Antonio Brown reunion would be off the table but would be considered if Antonio deletes a Social media accounts for the rest of the year.
Now again, I don't have any credence in this, and I'm not saying it's true at all.
The team Nobody's commented, so this is just pure speculation and rumor out there.
But it's interesting that it actually fold out, so you have to wonder if that was, you know, a precipitous or something that was dropped in their disappear.
Could it be Antonio Brown social Media swan song until after the Super Bowl? It's an interesting point to at least make well in again.
I I saw that, too, and it was trust me.
It is very hard to try to substantiate.
And your gut tells you that it's probably not 100% true in terms of exactly this person.
What they're saying? Oh, yeah.
I mean, it could it could be.
Try not saying that it's impossible because, you know, you look at like you said the peculiar peculiar Lor cut. **** it.
I've got to stop trying to say that word because I I just looked like a doofus every time.
You know what, we should probably just call it interesting, because that's really what it is.
Thank you, Julia.
Even, I think has, like, a negative connotation to it. Interesting.
Just a very, very interesting, But yes, this eye catching apology, Um, the timing of it, everything with the meeting, too.
And, like you said that the idea that there's some sort of back channel communication Well, this would kind of fine kind of full right in line, because, look, I mean, if you're going to take him back, Okay.
Said that one of the hurdles was being the NFL, and if he gets cleared, it's like, Well, what's what's the next thing? Well, until your Brown said something very public about Robert Kraft, and, uh, he's got to apologize, and he's got to do it publicly, and that's what he did.
So again, if you're if you like to read tea leaves and kind of put a lot of weight in certain things, you're having a lot of fun with us like I am.
So, um, look, my percentage is still pretty low that he returns, but yes, it was mine For the first time in weeks and perhaps months, Um, it's actually gone up Thio, actually something you can measure.
1 Actually, you know what? I'm up pushing.
I've made a huge leap.
I'm actually given it, like, a 15% chance right now.
Uh, double digits.
Yeah, Well, I I just I'm really buying into the situation, and like I said, I mean, I've never seen someone I want to be on a team so badly You have seen Antonio Brown want to be on the New England Patriots? Um, and you know, again, the guy the guy loves football for all his faults, flaws that you think he as he loves football, and he's a perfect patriot in the sense that he's gonna like you said he's gonna come in, he's gonna put the work in He's gonna be focused.
He's gonna wanna win and produce and and all that.
So again, hopefully hopefully we have a little bit new.
So we've spent a incredibly disproportionate amount of time on this topic because, uh, you know, I, uh I'm sitting here in front of camera.
I got you know, this whole no cheat here if everyone could see Yeah, yeah.
So you use no cheat whole bunch stuff talk about, um, gotten about that much done.
So we're gonna move on real quick because I do want to talk about our Hall of Fame ballots before we get Brian on here for the last 10 minutes or so.
So, um, we were both tasks but me late last night, Thio fill out our ballot.
If is if we were Ah B B w A members, Um, and like a midget atop the show, the way it works, you get 10 years on the ballot at the most.
You have to get 75% of the vote to get into the Hall of Fame, and you need 5% to stay on the ballot.
Both kind of gave our opinion yesterday about how we felt about the steroid era.
Players include both in general believe they should be getting in.
We do differ on a few names like Mark McGwire.
Um, but let's let's do this.
So I'm gonna give you my list first, because I actually found that I had a very short list, to be honest with you, Um, I really didn't have as many people getting in as I expected.
And and I mentioned yesterday to I'm a pretty tough I'm a pretty tough Hall of fame.
Greater, I think.
Like I think there's absolutely zero chance Philip Rivers gets into Pro Football Hall of Fame.
So do the give you an idea.
So, um, first off, right off the bat.
Barry Bonds. Roger Clements.
I gave my returning yesterday.
Baseball should let all these guys in that deserved to be in steroids or not.
And ah, my reasoning is, it's It's part of baseball history and baseball.
Hall of Fame is about talking about history, good or bad, and I think this is a situation where you embrace it.
You if you want to give him a whole section in the hall? Be like, Look, this was the steroid era.
Label it, you know, Scarlet letter Put it right on the front runner on their, you know, shirts.
Um, so I do I do think, uh, I I do think those guys need to get in.
I mean, it's just I mean, you're talking about perhaps the greatest hitter and picture of the generation, not in the Hall of Fame.
It's It's absurd.
Like if you know, to these things, certain metrics like hall fame worthy metric or whatever.
You know, in terms of all the candidates right now, if you if you go to baseball reference or whatever, their numbers so far off the charts compared to all these other players and all these other players are potential Hall of Famer, so you can just tell how good these players were.
I don't I don't care about the steroids.
They were the best of the steroid era people.
So, um, right off the bat, those two need to get in.
Yeah, I got I gotta put Derek Jeter and I mean it.
I I can't sit here and justify.
I'm of the opinion like, Look, if if it takes you more than a few years to get in, you're probably not gonna get in unless that's some sort of ridiculous grudge in which we know baseball writers tend to hold against certain players and for whatever reason, again steroids, the whole morality clause to me like it's that it shouldn't matter and it's just whatever.
But I think Derek Jeter is good enough to get, and I think he gets in.
So add him to my list.
I got three Curt Schilling.
We talked about him yesterday.
Ah, the postseason success cannot be ignored.
What he did it has done in the postseason and what he's done for a couple of different teams.
It's just it's remarkable things.
Whole idea that he's been losing support because of who he is outside of baseball is ridiculous.
Because that that should have been nothing, nothing to do with, um, you know, just being able to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame because he was a great picture again.
I always go back and say like Look, if if you had to write an encyclopedia off baseball history, you have to tell these stories, you have to talk about Curt Schilling.
You have to talk about Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.
And you know these guys Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa.
You have to talk about these guys, and, um, I just I just don't see how you can avoid it.
So Roger Clements Very bad's Derek Jeter.
Aah! Curtailing Manny Ramirez.
We talked about yesterday.
I mean, I think you and I both agree.
One of the best hitters.
You said he was the best thing you've ever seen.
He's one of them.
For me, it's just incredible.
He needs to get in.
Uh, I got Larry Walker.
I I I think I don't know how many people are gonna go for that or have Larry Walker in, but he's in his final year of eligibility.
Um, you know, he was a career 3 13 hitter.
Ah, 383 home runs.
I mean, guy played for what, 20 years was it? I think it was for 17 years.
So, uh, I think he gets in.
Let's see, we got right down here.
I think I'm just kind of hopping all over this list right now.
So you have to forgive me.
Um, I think I had one more.
Where was he? Ah, no.
Oh, yeah. No Sammy Sosa.
Like look again.
I mean, there's two guys on this list of candidates that have over 600 runs.
It's Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa again.
Say what you want to say about him.
Um, it's still part of baseball history and a very productive part of baseball history.
So I only got what, six players on my list? 67 So have at it. Mike.
I mean, we agree on a lot, and there are a couple that I do disagree with, and I think it will make for some good arguments.
Bonds and Clemens.
I'm right there with you.
I believe their Hall of Famers.
I believe they were Hall of Famers with or without the E.
And to me, that's really the deciding factor in terms of why these guys should be in and why I can't justify any b b w.
A writer's not putting these guys in all of fame, other than just to say that they're sitting on the morals clause and acting holier than now.
Look, if you want to make the argument that guys that had Hall of Fame numbers because of performance enhancing drugs and on Lee because of performance enhancing drugs, I'm saying there's an argument and I'm not saying I agree with it, But I'm saying there's an argument with Bonds and Clemens.
I don't see that argument.
I just don't thes guys had Hall of Fame careers before anyone ever accused them of even starting to use performance enhancing drugs.
So, in my opinion, without any question, both of those guys Aaron, Derek Jeter probably a shoo in.
I mentioned yesterday, and I didn't really get a chance to finish my thought because we were running so close on time.
But I was starting to believe that Jeter was going to be either the either the first or one of the first unanimous inductions into the Hall of Fame.
I'm not sure that's gonna happen now because we've seen ah, unanimous induction in Mariano Rivera and to me so well deserved.
Probably more well deserved, then would have been if Jeter would have been the first unanimous Hall of Famer without any question.
But Jeter is a Hall of Famer.
You look at the 3000 it's you.
Look at the longevity, the postseason resume.
It's impossible to get him out of the game.
Yeah, exactly up that now there were There were a lot of defensive holes there in his game, and I think that is probably the only reason why you'll see a few people abstained from giving him that first place vote.
For him to go into that ever happened to him was making that diving into the stands.
Catch that really had no significance on the overall outcome of the season are projected.
Whenever you see a Derek Jeter highlight package, what do you see? You see the Classic, you know, jump up in the air, throw to, you know, from short, you know, from shortstop the first, or you see the diving play.
Which again Red Sox fans will remember that as the day that Nomar was lost because he sat out that day.
You? That was his thing.
He was He was a little banged up.
He was, you know, the J D Drew drew of the time.
If he had a sniffle out and that, You know, in that same game that Nomar sat out, You know Derek? Yeah.
There's Jeter is his rival diving into the stands and doesn't for wait.
What happened? So we're going.
There have been some instances as well.
I mean, you know, you talk about the the flip the heads up, flip to what? To nail.
Ah, Jeremy Giambi at the plate.
I mean, these air, you know, moments that are gonna live in MLB and for all intensive purposes, I do believe he gets in Ramirez.
I said this yesterday about Manny Ramirez.
He is probably the most feared hitter I've ever seen.
I've talked to Yankee fans significantly.
Uh, my father, God rest his soul was a Yankees fan, and he absolutely feared Manny Ramirez more than any other hitter on the Boston Red Sox.
Whenever he came up, he was the guy he did not want to see because he said he can beat you in so many ways he could beat you with long ball.
He can grind out in it that he can get a slap it and be able to do that.
Now there's a lot of people that will believe that man.
He would never beat out a throw to first because he's not gonna run and get out.
There's an argument to be made there, but most of time he didn't have to do that. He had in point.
Control of it is bad and one of the best pure, gifted editors I've ever seen live play.
So in that regard, I do put him in.
I do put him into the Hall of Fame because I believe that that type of contact, that type of hand eye coordination that's required to be a very good hitter in this league is not something that's just happenstance.
It's not something that a performance enhancing drug is going to help you with.
It's something that is a natural talent and a natural ability and man.
He did that as well as anybody that's ever played the game.
So I have him in the Hall of Fame shelling.
I also have in the Hall of Fame as well.
Postseason resume, second to none inspire is I'm concerned.
You really have to look at what this guy did in Arizona.
In Boston, just always a big game pitcher.
Even in the regular season, He was a big game pitcher.
Schilling was always a stopper.
He was always a guy that would give you that performance that you needed to get over the hump.
So shilling I definitely have in and one that I really, really went back and forth on.
And this was something that was very difficult for me to to reconcile.
Ah, I I did give a vote to Andy Pettitte, and I know a lot of people are gonna mask off and roll your eyes.
But I will say this.
I looked at his career and look, he's got a 63.
6 winning win loss percentage of Korea 3 85 e R A.
It's, you know, he's a two time 20 game winner, three time All Star.
He was the top six and Cy Young voting five times.
He competed against a lot of great pictures in his generation, pitched against a lot of guys in the in the American League that really overshadowed him.
Guys like Clemens, guys like Pedro Martinez, and he was always in the thick of those races, time in and time out.
I mean, you could make the argument that the Cy young that he lost the Pat Anke and I believe in I believe it was 96 or 97.
I think he competed with Lincoln.
That should have been is, um, career postseason 19 and 11.
In the postseason, which is very very, you know.
And he was a key cog in five World Series titles with the Yankees.
So that's the reason why I ended up going with him.
You could make the argument there.
That's probably my weakest case, but because I put Shilling in because the postseason greatness I looked at pe**** longevity and I gave him the nod.
I don't think you'll get it, but that's just my personal ballot.
Well, that's a good point.
And I thought about Pettitte, too, and he's kind of like the Drew Brees of that era, where it's like he was a great picture.
But he was overshadowed by so many other great pictures of the time.
And you mentioned Pedro you make.
And obviously there was Roger Clemens and you know Randy Johnson.
I mean, the list goes on and it's like, you know when you're talking about great pictures of that time you know you're gonna take a little bit to get down to Andy Pettitte.
But that's not Ah, you know, That's not a knock on Andy Pettitte.
I think that just speaks to you know, some of those play.
I mean, e come out.
Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Roger, Clint Like that's that's something.
So I You know what? I think I might agree with you and I'd have to look at his, ah, his case a little bit closer because, you know, I did go back and forth.
But maybe it was Thea, the Red Sox fan, and me where I just couldn't couldn't advocate to Yankees.
I mean, I I mean, let's face it, I try to not let my bias get into the in the way, but sometimes with certain teams, it's just it's it's not it's not.
It's not possible for me to let that go, So ah, we're winding down.
We got about eight minutes left, and ah, with that.
With that, I would like to welcome in host of Snowman in the morning from nine to noon every day on full press radio.
And, of course, on SportsCastr He is Mr Brian Stowe he is the authority when it comes to LeBron James and his delusional have to be the greatest player of all time.
Brian, how we doing this morning? I'm wonderful.
Good to be back on the on the cross, over with you.
Yeah, well, we've been trying to squeak it in here, but we tend thio talk far too much about all the topics that we like to do.
And I was showing people on camera the amount of notes I had ready for the show.
And I've touched on about two sentences, two sentences I got through.
And most of that talk was spent on Antonio Brown.
So which is not surprising, if you know, May.
So I don't want to talk about that because I do want to talk about basketball because I love talking basketball with you and, you know, a lot more than I do.
So I I like when you can carry it.
Um, it's looking a lot like 8 4009 in these parts.
And by that I mean the Patriots, the Lakers and the Celtics are atop the their respective conferences.
You've already told me that you feel like the Celtics are the best team in the league.
I I'm right there with you.
Uh, are you now? There's two things I want to ask you because we only have a few minutes.
I'm gonna ask you both questions.
Then you can respond.
First of all, are you impressed with what the Lakers they're doing are And are you surprised at how well that they've? I guess quote unquote come together this early in the season.
And to Carmelo Anthony is back.
What are you thoughts about his signing? And what are your thoughts about him honoring Ben Simmons with the double zero with, as in, I've never hit a three point shot in my life.
Carmelo needs to go.
And no, I'm not impressed with the Lakers.
It's November when they wait when they clinch.
I said this on your program, and you know, you've heard me say this on my program.
When they clinch us by this April, then I'll be impressed when Anthony Davis and LeBron James actually complete their task of a fool's.
Even then I'll talk on fill in.
I ain't having it.
Look, I you know we could.
We could sit here and, you know, you take what we can and, ah, you know, take whatever we've seen and say, OK, look there 12 into And you know he's playing pretty well.
He looks re quote unquote refreshed, but at the same time, it's like Talk to me in April.
Let's see how well this is going in April.
Let's see what happens if they deal with a few injuries or if LeBron gets a little banged up or, you know, if he shows his age after months of, ah, heart, you know, quote unquote hard basketball on.
By that, I mean on offense, not on defense.
He doesn't but he still he still doesn't play defense.
Everybody who was watch the N B a nose defense is a big part of it.
It's a big part of basketball, no matter what the levels, and he ain't playing it it.
If you watch the games this year, you see he's not playing defense.
He's conserving most of the energy for the offensive end.
You don't win championships that way.
That's his load management.
You know why we co I takes a kyrie? Jeez, I don't I don't know if we have enough time to even talk about Kyrie yet, but okay.
Don't get me started on Kyrie.
I made I'm gonna do that during our one of my shows.
So, yeah, what is their status? Fans of FTC. Get ready.
I've got a lot to say on Kyrie going to Brooklyn.
Kevin Durant has an excuse.
Okay? Kyrie does not.
I'll leave it there and on all of saying, I think he's trying to avoid that rematch coming up for that match with the game with Celtic.
So you know, Mr I'm gonna miss a game here and there, and it's just still happens to be the one in Boston.
You know, I'm sure he's not gonna be getting any, uh, Isiah Thomas tribute video, to say the least.
So, um no real quick.
Carmelo Anthony seems to have gotten this, like, cult following of He needs to be in the league.
Although he really hasn't been that great of a player for quite some time now.
What do your thoughts about his Ah, coming in? Coming in, playing with the Blazers.
And obviously he made his debut and he started So what? Your thoughts? And do you think this is just gonna be a fad? It's a bad.
It's a fair Carmelo Anthony will go the way of LeBron James.
Load management on defense.
Try to get everything on offense.
If you looked at last night's game, Carmelo Anthony hasn't changed.
He hasn't changed.
Its my people want to sail.
Carmelo Anthony, the first ballot Hall of Famer, which is politics to me.
Everybody wants to say Carmelo Anthony needs to be in the leads which again is abolished to me.
And I got a lot more on that during the show.
Do you all not understand? Carmelo Anthony has not been good.
I'm gonna say this.
It's gonna hurt a lot of Carmelo Anthony stands, and I know quite a few, and I know you do.
Also, the Carmelo Anthony has been good since his days of Syracuse in 2003 and he's been worse