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Okay, you're doing Johnny.
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Ah ah, boy.
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So lay off on this one.
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This is unbelievable.
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You know, I watched that tape and I didn't hear anything to tell you the truth that you know and, you know, they slow down the tape, and it is a one I saw was with Evan Gattis it that I believe itwas and you always said it on the screen is just his bank, but I don't hear anything.
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Have you watched any tape? Have you seen anything? And is wondering how in real time, how quickly can you get Ah, the camera shot from the center field camera, someone underneath looking at a TV monitor, relaying that sign to someone to be able to bang on something? Well, that well, that's the question I think the Astros have to answer.
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I did hear the bangs and I saw a few videos online.
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I even went back Thio some videos that I had and I and if you go back to 2017 there's a home run that George Springer hit off a Chris flexion and it was very state.
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But you did hear a bang and it was an off speed pitch and it was down the middle and Springer headed 9000 miles.
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So, yeah, I do.
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I do think there's something to it.
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You raise a valid point about the cameras because, as you know, from being in Madison Square Garden as often as you are, the live feed that you see in the media room is not what they you don't see that on TV for 15 seconds.
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Then there's a delay, and that's what it is in most arenas in ballparks, there's a delay between what's in house and what goes out on the television.
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So the question is, what feeds or the Astro scene? Did they create their own feeds? And was it something that you could that that was piped into their dugout? That you could see immediately wasn't on an iPad? Was it on what technology did they use? I heard the bangs.
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I think it's legitimate.
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Ah, and and I and I worry for the Astros.
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Not that I have any stake in the Astros, but And now that there's a paper trail with executives asking, how do we steal signs in the report from the major league baseball gonna come at em high and they're going to come at him hard.
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So here's Here's the questions that come out of hiding.
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Come at him hard.
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Who is going to be? What's the extent of the damage going to be? And will it extend to people like, say, Carlos Beltran, that affect his ability to manage the mitts? I think if it extends to people like Beltran and Cora, it will be a token slap on the wrist because they know that it doesn't seem like they were the creators of this whole scheme.
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It seems like this went high.
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It seems that aging Hinch was a part of it, and it seems like Jeff flew as if Jeff Luneau might have known about it, but didn't do anything.
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If he if they find proof that he knew about it, it's gonna be It's gonna be deadly.
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What I what? I think, the courses thing that comes to my mind and tell me if I'm crazy is the New Orleans Saints when they suspended Sean Payton for hire year and Greg Williams for an entire were year for Bounty Gate.
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And I'm not saying that what they did was similar because it was, you know, coming in high and hard, rather as opposed to stealing signs.
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They weren't hurting anybody, but they were.
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But they were cheating and cheating.
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That looked upon very well.
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So I think you could see penalties such as, Ah, half a season to a season suspension for Hinge.
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And with Blue now, I mean, listen, John Coppolella.
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The Braves got got kicked out of the game for cooking the books on prospects.
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The question is whether baseball considers this worse than that.
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I think baseball might.
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And if they do, just Luna was in trouble.
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He said.
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He he may not see another day on the payroll.
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This is the N C. A. A.
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What they do is they end stupid.
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They vacate the championships, they take away the way.
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I don't know.
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I don't think it should.
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I'm not a fan of asterisks.
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I think you're on a slippery slope.
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When you start doing that, I don't I don't think it will do that.
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And I don't I don't like it.
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I do think that they'll come after him with a really heavy suspensions, really heavy fines and graphics.
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So that the Devil's Advocate question, though, is this has been going on sign stealing something on since time immemorial.
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If you remember, the story that came out was about 567 years ago about sign stealing in the 1951 Ryan's World Science World.
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Siris World Siris.
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It was at the playoff game against the Dodgers.
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Yes, Bobby times, there were still they were stealing the signs.
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They have the signs.
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Well, you know, that's baseball has been, to some extent, a room.
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Renegade types, right? But that was a different way. It wasn't with you.
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You know, available technology makes a difference to you if you if you get your selling stolen by the human eye, that's on you.
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What technology you can't do anything about.
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And that's why baseball takes is taking this seriously.
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So two things in reference this number one.
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No, I find it hard to believe because, you know, players get traded So the second the player gets traded from something that knows about that, you know it's done.
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The second player from the Astros organization who has knowledge of this going on gets traded to another team.
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He tell you he's not gonna keep that secret anymore.
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It's kind of unbelievable how brazen it was right in that way.
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Number two.
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And I love the guys.
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I mean.
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And you know how high in regard I hold Michael Kay and John MacGregor.
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So Michael Kay and Donna Graca had on this week as a guest.
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Alex Rodriguez.
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Okay.
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And they were asking Alex Rodriguez about sheeting, and it never dawned on any of them to ask, You know.
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Well, Alex, you've cheated before.
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Is this a different level of cheating? But then they has kind.
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But then they were talking about Alex Rodriguez stealing signs when he was out it at second base from the catcher, and he said, Yes, you know you do that, especially him is a short stop.
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Back in the day, he would have to see his capture signs anyway, so he was always good at picking it up.
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But the fact that you were you're interviewing Alex Rodriguez in reference to, Ah, a cheating scandal I found humorous.
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That is how you can get I yes, books for you if it takes one to know one.
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Yeah, it's almost like us having Lenny sisal on talking about, like a strip club scandal.
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What's gonna come next week? He's even doing anything to stop this from happening on the field. Forget with the punishments.
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What can or what do you think they will do to make sure this type of second technology's not used again to steal signs? I really think it depends on how they did it.
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I think when you when the details start to come out about the machinations of this, what exactly was happening here? What cameras were they using? Were they using iPads? Were they using Apple watches? What were they using? I think once you find that out, I think that they spoke to implement a system to stop it.
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They seem to have some sort of system where there's only the center field camera, Um is is monitored by a club official, and there's somebody monitoring the club official to make sure that they're not that they're not relaying the signs, So I think it will be something like that. Except it will be.
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It'll be kind of shaping Thio match whatever comes out in this investigation.
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All right, John, we didn't get to touch on the fact that the Mets won two major awards this past week.
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Saw Young and Rookie of the Year back to back on.
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$2 gets him on the subway.
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They listen as a friend of the franchise that those are always nice things to get.
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John will speak to you next week.
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Carter Ryan, chairman with you this Sunday evening during us now is the man who was first signed by the New York Rangers.
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He made his NHL debut in the 1958 1959 season, played two years for the Blue Shirts he would go on to play for five or the National Hockey League teams from 1959 to 1975.
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He's probably best known for his time with the Maple Leafs, where he played seven seasons on the left wing as a colorful third line agitator, which earned him the nickname The Entertainer and the Nose.
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During the 1965 66 season.
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He had a breakout season, scoring 26 goals on a line with Ron Ellis and Bob Pulford.
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His popularity was such that a novelty song written in his honor reach number one on the Canadian pop charts and charted for nearly three months.
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He is a four time Stanley Cup champion, a three time All Star.
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It is a pleasure to welcome him to sports Talk New York.
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So clear the tracks.
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Because here comes Eddie Shack. Welcome, Eddie.
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Wow.
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Uh, I'm from pretty nice interview.
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He sounded.
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Did you want me to sing the sound? Clear? The track here comes back.
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Give him a lot.
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You know what? It wouldn't be the listen.
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We've had Ernie Banks sing for us.
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Ronnie Spector sing for us.
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So you got any shock to a little for us? So you have this amazing new book out sharing stories from over the course of your nearly 20 year NHL career.
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Hockey's most entertaining stories features historic news clippings and never be seen photographs, which retells the story of your life from before hockey growing up in Sudbury through your NHL career.
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So how did this book come about? Well, I I go to the framework place, and, uh, they said, Well, what would you like to write? A book? A like you're you know, you're from Sudbury or a butcher.
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You have done all these different things.
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You you worked in a circus selling candy apples.
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You had bars.
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You have, of course, is you had two different things on dhe.
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Maybe. And I met a literature.
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I can't say that means some.
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Sometimes they don't say it properly, but e literate already said again, You got it illiterate.
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Yeah, well, I am.
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And I'd like for other kids if the IRS add that if they work hard, they can get what they want in life.
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You know what I mean? So it's It's a nice thing that things happened to me, and I've been very, very fortunate.
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But I was I was like a strong kid, and I had a lot of fun.
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It's interesting to see the book.
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It's great because there's so many different aspects to it.
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First of all, from where you grew up.
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There's a great joke about Sudbury.
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Could could you share that with us? Because they basically say there are two types of people that come from Sudbury, Right? That is the reason that really grow potatoes.
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And the only way they get a most blast of right every.
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There's a lot of hockey players come from there.
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Uh, like, uh, Timmy Horton.
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George Armstrong, like Andre always say hockey players in that on, and I can't say it and radio, but, like I would say like and girls do, right? Basically, I think the line is two.
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Things come from Sudbury, hookers and occupiers.
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Which team does your mother know? What position team does your mother play for? You gotta watch.
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What you're saying is that look after John Jerry thing and he got involved in a lot of trouble.
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You didn't.
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I'm I'm I'm 82 he's 85 I think he should have just apologized him.
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And that would have been a lot easier, you know? I mean, that's what I I like to make life simple is possible.
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You know, when I played hockey, then after hockey, everything was right.
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You know, what I mean? What was that? John Ferguson was young.
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Delvaux was Gordie Howe.
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You know, after hockey was over, we all got together and we had fun.
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You know what I mean? That's what That whole life have a little bit of fun, you know? I mean, maybe we have to fight like I not know Gordie Howe twice.
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I not Sam the key, the one from not good Reginald Fleming.
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But that's what you have to play hockey, and then you have to have your head down some fans and then yet if you didn't have it up, then you got you got things right.
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It's also interesting because the book is Warren unfiltered.
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It's funny because you asked a very good question right off the bat, and you lay out a great case for it.
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You asked why you're not in the Hall of Fame and point that that you want four Stanley Cups.
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You scored 20 or more goals with five different teams, but you give that answer right off the bat as to why you're not in the Hall of Fame.
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You want to share that with our audience.
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Well, first of all, you know that I've had very success in a lot of different things.
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Businesses and money wise is gonna have property and all that.
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And sometimes I tell people they're going to stick it in their priests.
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Or if I'm in a meeting with the hockey Hockey Hall of Fame, guys like I've I've done much more than they did.
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And I've I've entertained more and I can't get into the Ark elephant, because the ways that I like I can't read.
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If they have me read a script or something like that, I couldn't read it.
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Then I would read it wrong, and then I would probably maybe upset them.
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But a lot of people think I am in the Hockey Hall of Fame.
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No, you know to me when I when I go like I did referee in across Canada and, uh and we had that day like you.
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Do you think any shacks in the Hockey Hall of Fame and everybody thought that I would have been in the front because I've done so many different things that I'm looking If they put me in the hospitality of my cynical you know what I mean.
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I really don't give one I order.
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You know what it means.
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I've done everything that I could do in life.
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And I have had some great great friends.
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And I have good businesses and everything is going my way.
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I don't like when I was younger.
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I didn't really know what the hell Hockey Hall of Fame was you.
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I haven't got it.
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When you can't read, you don't know what different things.
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I didn't know what? That hockey.
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What do you have to do to get in the Hockey Hall of Fame? But then after later on, I found out that you know what? I think maybe I could have been in there, you know? I had it record after me.
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I had a look, you know, to me, and I've had I was the entertainer.
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I scored five goals for all these teams.
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I scored the winning goal.
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I was N v p.
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You know all these things I say? Well, I like Do these guys have that much that I don't know what I mean.
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That's what I like it like, Why not have fun when you're when you're in my state, right? Absolutely.
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And your story is an amazing one.
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You quit school in early age, you get a job like you mentioned at a butcher store.
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The story goes back that you even know, displayed great talents as a salesman, as a butcher.
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But your dad also soared that you have such a hard worker.
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But he also wanted you to play with kids your own age.
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So what he did was even though you guys, your family really couldn't afford it, he bore you pair of skates.
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What was it about the game of hockey that you fell in love with it such an early age that you actually told your mom that one day you're gonna play for the Leafs? Well, you know what? That I was strong, right? And I worked as a cleaning chickens, and I worked, You know what I mean? At the butcher shop.
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And I was young when I got my life when I was 13 you lied about your age of every are all it would do is cost you $100 so I could afford $200.
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I said that and I and I go, you know, and on being in the hockey like I got into it and I had fun with You know what I mean? I had fun, and my dad got me into it because I was working all the time and he said, you got in and what they do it at that you've got skates from somebody hand down or you got what I mean, and and then that's when you you skated are on the road, because in Sudbury they didn't have any self, and they wouldn't.
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But any subject of money what I mean and then I live, right? Besides, uh, that, uh what? How bad? I just use me for a minute that I forget Kim Horton and Brian Campbell and I lived, and then we always played hockey after, you know what I mean? And then I was shooting the Buck Gooden and, you know, like against the garage door and breaking the gradual like God.
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And then I got a chance to go up well for a training camp, and I was only, like, 14 or so, right, and that that's just go go.
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So I went up there, and that's when that on the back did theme pregnant Perry Hall.
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They just they were just out of wealth in on Dhe.
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There was room in well for me.
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And if you made Junior B team, you got 20 bucks a week, 15 for room and board and five bucks to spend a wise not going to work I can make for you know what I mean? And then I made I made the junior B, and then I made the junior A and then I Then things sort of said, Hey, look it, I think I can make the NHL and then the scientist deform for the New York Rangers.
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And the one thing about New York Rangers, I want a stadium.
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See, I was praying Junior A and I was playing fairly well, you know what I mean? And I was I had, like, 48 Bulls.
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But I wanted New York Rangers to bring me up to Toronto to play the maple leaves because I I had a lot of confidence.
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But at that time they didn't do that.
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And then I was sort of madam.
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So while you're in 12 you're playing hockey.
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But you also have a job, a couple of different jobs.
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So how hard was it to balance the demands, but having to play hockey and tryingto work.
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And how How did one helps the other having a job helping the hockey? Well, you like, you know, I worked there at Hales Meat Market in, Well, friend and, you know, you work from, uh, say nine.
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So four and then, you know, your practice practice at 4 30 And that's when that we had the practice.
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And then after practice, my guy had my car, I had a cars and then things air pretty like it was pretty nice there, you know what I mean? And then the people in the room and board was 15 and the people really like they thought the world of you that you're playing hockey and and you're doing well, eh? You know, you make it to the Angela at age 21 in the book, I read this and I went back this I said he could have really said that.
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You said one of the best things the happy to you that year was getting your teeth knocked out.
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Why was that? Well, you know what? Yeah, like I'm Ukrainian A and they we had in our teeth.
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They were spread in the middle.
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You know what I mean? There was like there was a little bit based in the middle, and I didn't like that.
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I hated that.
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I am When I looked at somebody that did that and I said, Right then, loop aren't Natto was it was a New York upstairs in the guy's way.
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Have at that time New York way should be back, this upstairs, and we have to go upstairs.
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Really addressed that downstairs.
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Then you went upstairs and little ****, Mato.
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Like he was a tough guy and eat like Onda.
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At that time, they didn't give one iota the like your I'm playing with you a little, you know, like, what are you doing? Right.
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But he would tackle your hit your wherever there is.
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But he was He was different like that, and he knocked my teeth out, but then they paid for it.
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But you had fallen deep, but they paid part.
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Slide like that was great, wasn't it? I don't have to pay for it, Brandon.
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You enjoyed it.
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So you and Phil Watts and the Rangers coach didn't get along too well after two plus season, they trade you first.
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It was the Red Wings where you thought you were going to get chance to play with Cordy.
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Have what? That deal fell through.
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His red Kelly was going to retire.
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Rather go to New York.
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So you get traded to the team that you had told your mom that you were going to play with when you were 11 years old.
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The Toronto Maple Leafs.
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It's interesting, because in the book, the legendary Leave Captain George Armstrong, who very rarely talks to anybody, is in this book talking about you.
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How did you get George for the book? Well, like a from Sudbury.
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George is from Sudbury, and and I'm like, I I mean literate.
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And he knew that.
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And then he helped me out.
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Like David.
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You were on the train when we went out one of the training that, like, he would order on my food.
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Like I judge, I'm having the same as you.
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And then at that time, you have to write out what you want, right? And then a lot of times when you can, when you can't read or write like you just say all past, you just say passed around a lot of people don't understand that.
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When when you when you don't read your I mean right, like.
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And I'm amazed, like on television how the people like you people can read their stories and and he's so perfect at it.
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When I started reading, it takes me a long time.
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So your style of play instantly made you a fan favorite.
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And a lot of a lot of that had to do with your play in 1964 playoffs.
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You ended up in a fight with Andre Rashard after 11 and landing several good punches early in the fight.
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You sent them out of the game for stitches.
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Later, in that same game, you continue the chaos by injuring you.
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John Bell of you with a hit into the boards.
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Toronto would win that game in the series and roots of Stanley Cup.
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The Legend of Eddie Shack grew, and then the 1966 song became a number one hit in Canada Way need to play a little bit.
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So, Rick, if you can, could you just play a little bit of that song for us? So I have I have to ask you this.
00:25:37
You know, coming from where you did the trade.
00:25:41
And now you're with the maple leaves.
00:25:42
What was it like hearing that song every single place you went in Toronto for that period of time? Well, you know what it was really like.
00:25:52
It was absolutely dynamite.
00:25:54
It was on the radio.
00:25:56
When you you'll be driving your car and you hear your song on the radio, that was totally, absolutely It was It was really good.
00:26:07
Like, you really feel great about that.
00:26:09
You know what I mean? For a guy for a guy that can't read or write, he's got a number one.
00:26:15
And then who beat me out with Nancy? Every Sinatra, these boots were made for walking, and I I wear a cowboy hat and I were both day and I and mine was number one for a long time.
00:26:28
And then she was one of these, but I was there for three weeks.
00:26:33
Incredible.
00:26:34
You win four Stanley Cups with the make believe 60 to 63 64 67.
00:26:38
You scored the Stanley Cup winning goal in 1963 during your time in the blue and white.
00:26:42
You also played in three All Star games from 62 to 64 You get traded to the Boston Bruins.
00:26:48
May 15th 1967 while playing for the Bruins.
00:26:51
You had your famous stick fight with Larry's Idol of the Flyers on March 7th, 1968.
00:26:57
Bernie Parent is featured in the book Talking about that game.
00:27:00
What do you remember about that? And you know, I have to imagine that's pretty scary being in a stick fight.
00:27:09
Well, not really that here I am.
00:27:13
I sent the Larry's Idol.
00:27:14
I bury one more time and you'll get the stick right over the head.
00:27:18
He saved me right over the head, right? And this was This was a Niagara fall in training camp.
00:27:24
That's when it started.
00:27:25
It started in and the Niagara Falls.
00:27:29
And then we went up in the stands and park and and that's when the cops, they put us both in jail and then naturally played with Philadelphia, Philadelphia and the and the Bruins and Drano, right? It's like a scene as slapshot, you know, the the Anson's and then they locked him up.
00:27:50
And that's not the first time you were in jelly that you got a speeding ticket when you were 13 packing today as well.
00:27:55
So hee phase, like in several, like you could lie about Drake and then it would cost you 100 box that that I'm 13 and I I worked hard and I drove drunk and I washed trucks and, like, drove, like wait with their with their with the pigs and the cows and like and try pots on the clean check ins and everything that I worked hard and then I had.
00:28:23
But then I went to Dominion Stars and at the menu stores they had Wednesday afternoon off, then on then at that time, like if you could afford to drink your drink, right? So then we went out a couple of drinks and this guy had a 40 40 to Dodge and I had a 38.
00:28:38
And I know my dog would do 30 87 miles an hour, and I thought I could beat him, but I didn't.
00:28:46
I said, Okay, after we had a few ****tails, Way said, Well, let's go out Highway 17 and let's see whose whose car is the fastest.
00:28:57
So we went out and we drove, and then he passed me and his guy was the fastest.
00:29:03
So there.
00:29:04
Then he turned in and I was gonna turn in.
00:29:06
But then I looked in my mirror and I think the cops I said, She's actually just get going and then go get going.
00:29:14
But I went in and then they caught us for both for racing and speeding.
00:29:19
And then the final was like 60 boxer stuff like that.
00:29:23
So you played in the time in hockey where people didn't wear helmets and from that kind of those in warm asks how Gifford you think your game would have been and your actions and ice if you had to wear a helmet and go when you play the time.
00:29:38
When goes, one asks.
00:29:39
Okay, What? The helmet.
00:29:42
You know what, guys? We're in a hell of value.
00:29:44
You don't know that the individual is Well, now let's say that he didn't wear the helmet and he had his name on the back.
00:29:53
You could tell the person a lot easier, you know, to me, like Ballard would, it didn't want to have their name on the back because he couldn't sell the programs.
00:30:01
But now what with your no helmet your name on the back.
00:30:06
You could tell the players much easier.
00:30:09
And you and you knew Gordie Howe is your new font, Natalie, You knew, like all these different it was.
00:30:16
But if a guy didn't show much in hockey like you wouldn't recognize him right now, you talk about your time with the Kings and the Sabres and and some great stories from your England stays in the book as well.
00:30:31
Can you tell our audience about how you ended up sleeping at your former teammate, who was then your head coach Red Kelly after a House party landed, and I I like it and I love the guy, and I thank God that he he didn't go toe.
00:30:48
Hey, didn't go to New York because that that deal with them, if he would have went through it to New York and then I I would have known.
00:30:59
I mean, I wouldn't have been where I am today, but Red and I were good.
00:31:03
Bradley's and my wife went out of town, and I had the guys over the house for a party right now where we're having a good party and the party's over and I want to go and see red.
00:31:16
But today that you wouldn't have ah guy going seeing his coach when he was half in the bag.
00:31:21
And then I had my dog.
00:31:23
My dog was with me and that my Leonard wanted to put a pillow under my head because I was half in the bag.
00:31:31
He wanted to put it on.
00:31:32
The dog wouldn't let him touch me.
00:31:35
That goes for you at I are big.
00:31:41
What, What would happen? Go to a coaches brace when you're half innovate.
00:31:46
So for our listeners out there, it's akin to John.
00:31:51
Tomorrow's having a party at his house and then afterwards, walking down the block drunk and going to sleep on Mike Bab****'s floor.
00:32:00
That's basically what happened, right? T Oh, yeah, Those things don't happen these days.
00:32:07
Um, their signature mustache actually gets it.
00:32:10
Started its burgers.
00:32:11
Well, to tell us a little bit about that, Okay, I I got hurt and I was I was in the hospital for a couple of days and I didn't shave my moustache.
00:32:22
My mustache was I figured, why everybody's going there moustache.
00:32:26
I it let it grow and I come home and my wife says that looks absolutely a little You know what I mean? And when she said that, it's gonna stay from that.
00:32:41
If you would have said that.
00:32:42
Oh, that looks really nice.
00:32:43
I would have probably shaved it off.
00:32:45
Hey, Eddie. So this is Ryan.
00:32:47
Chairman.
00:32:48
So you played for some pretty historic franchises over your time playing in the NHL, but also some very new ones.
00:32:52
Can you tell us a little bit about where there any differences between the culture of the team, the way they were run get being on some of those new franchises? Well, it's gonna be a lot different now.
00:33:03
You would like, Like the money and and the way they kids are in great shape, you know what I mean? And then the lake with no helmets and like that, the changes so much different.
00:33:18
You know what I mean? Like, you don't shoot the park like I I was, uh, do today.
00:33:24
And I was through with Bobby Hall and he was signing autographs and he told me he wrote it.
00:33:30
The things that when I went to Chicago, I always a Bobby Bobby, get me a stick.
00:33:35
Right? And he gave me is one of a fix is sure would stick and the commitment it would be one inch and 1/2 and that's when I scored a goal like that.
00:33:45
Thanks, Bobby.
00:33:46
And you never forgot about that.
00:33:50
Then I had, like, I got the hat trick with it, right? They went over again.
00:33:53
They Bobby, Bobby, probably.
00:33:55
And then there's the coach you have.
00:33:58
What is this all about? And I just Thanks, probably.
00:34:03
It's interesting you mention that Sherwood sick.
00:34:05
And I've had this conversation in the press box so many times that I would love for the NHL.
00:34:12
When they do, they're All Star Weekend, and they do the skills competition when they do the hardest shot.
00:34:17
I would like them to do one round with the old school wooden sticks and another round with the graphite that they use now because I can only imagine what Bobby hold slap shot would have been with that graphite stick is the way the torque in the with these guys get now with the shot is so different than back in the day.
00:34:36
Um, have you ever wanted I know that you participated in a lot of those old timers games.
00:34:42
Have you ever just taken out when you've been out there? Some of the newer sticks? No.
00:34:47
No, I've never like they're so light in there.
00:34:51
You know what I mean? Like when? When we're playing for trauma, you had to see the M six, right? Yep.
00:34:56
And they were They were straight.
00:34:58
Right? But then with the sure would they were curved, right? Yes, they had a break.
00:35:03
And then at that time, he only could have an inch and 1/2.
00:35:05
Gert and my car was a little bit more, and I think I got they measured your stick at that time and you get a two minute penalty.
00:35:15
They used to have long claimed that they were trying to fix today.
00:35:18
I I don't know.
00:35:20
I don't know what they're feeling.
00:35:22
If you know me, I know there's, like, the Sherwood, like, you know, you get you get it and you and your shooting from the blue line.
00:35:29
Now they make a perfect pass That gonna make and they get in to get the officers, guy it with his wing, and then he gets them right in the ground.
00:35:37
Then they keep shooting.
00:35:38
That then like when when Bauer played going in on the short side.
00:35:44
Power.
00:35:45
You're going down to the minor leagues if you let one in on the short side.
00:35:48
But they always stood up, and now they're always coaching in that.
00:35:51
The game is totally different, and I think that that we used to always get together more like when we were after a game.
00:36:01
We would all get together and have a drink or I have a beer.
00:36:04
You know what I mean? And after practice, Well, you know what I mean.
00:36:08
I think it's much different now than the kids.
00:36:10
They go on their own.
00:36:12
They're they're busy with Belle there, the count, their money only Jesus.
00:36:16
That's a lot of money, the count like way.
00:36:18
We never have to count that much.
00:36:20
But what one kid said to me, how much did you make a year on? And I said, uh, 7500 He said.
00:36:27
It was at a day or a week.
00:36:29
I said, No, it wasn't around.
00:36:32
You wouldn't be getting what you're getting now just keep quiet and the happy absolutely true.
00:36:37
One of my favorite parts of the book is the Eddie Picks and it's where you go through.
00:36:42
Ah, bunch of yo best Toughest.
00:36:45
So who's the toughest guy you played against? Well, Fergie was Dr Fergie was tough.
00:36:51
And then, you know, you've got a lot of different guys that air where were, you know, unbelievable.
00:36:58
And, like, teddy green.
00:37:00
And they're like, there was every on every team that was like a tough guy.
00:37:04
But you know what I like when they said third man in Remember that deal? Yeah.
00:37:11
Third man in is So I said, Oh, this is the best deal.
00:37:15
I I really like.
00:37:16
This man is out of the game, right? Right.
00:37:20
You know, now we goto were wearing Drano and now birdie Birdie said, I said, Bernie, you grab your partner and I'll grab mine.
00:37:30
Then there's a double came over and I said, You know, I'd rather is Andre Rishard e j as you and me Big boy.
00:37:42
Let's go! And I tried to get my hands a little bit loose.
00:37:46
The gym a shot in the head and I couldn't.
00:37:49
So I had my both hands on his shoulder side coq au bon from E my cocoa bunkum.
00:37:55
And there's the blood Come down in the end.
00:37:57
That **** that **** that God have you? No, Heady, you know? And then Ferguson.
00:38:02
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:03
Forget it goes sticking in your dreams.
00:38:05
You have your partner.
00:38:06
I got mine.
00:38:07
Right? So now we go to Montreal going to Montreal.
00:38:12
He's You happen again, right? Third man in is out of the game, right? I said, I always like I like my partner.
00:38:19
I like Are they always good for me? Right.
00:38:22
So now what? I'm going through the dressing room.
00:38:25
Who's there? But Morris Rocket Pretty sharp.
00:38:29
Oh, my God.
00:38:30
I'm saying what is gonna happen now? Right? I'm walking through.
00:38:35
He says, Eddie, my name's not heady.
00:38:39
Heady.
00:38:41
I looked up and said, Thank God you never heard of what? Your nose Where you would have spread my partner and to know wow, things that we've and more rocketry Sharda that I I I like Alzheimer's game.
00:38:57
And I played one game with him in New York and and more like he was a great guy, you know? And he would drink gin and g****fruit juice in the morning that he'd have a little taste in the morning.
00:39:09
A mortar? Yeah, that way two minutes are looking so their borders You do commercials like that? Well, that's interesting.
00:39:17
You mention that because your life after hockey was pretty busy as well.
00:39:20
You started many television ad campaigns following your retirement, I think is the spokesman for S O Journeys and Hotels and perhaps most famously, the pop shop 1976.
00:39:30
You began appearing on billboards and radio spots, represented the soda company and events.
00:39:35
So and you had your own chain of donut shops as well.
00:39:39
Could you ever envision all of that as well as a hit song? This is there was a book written about you and now this book as well.
00:39:47
Could you have ever have envisioned all that when your dad got you that pair of skates at age 11? Nobody like I'm just thinking that, you know, I'm so lucky that things have happened to me and I wasn't I wasn't a great I didn't have to lie.
00:40:06
I was like I did fight when I have.
00:40:10
But hockey was absolutely dynamite.
00:40:13
And after hockey that I met so many of the guys after hockey that, you know, like like John Ferguson, him and I did commercial he had the prostate cancer and I had to do, and we did commercials together.
00:40:27
So all these things that we've done, you and I and I said, do commercials.
00:40:33
I haven't done any commercials for a while, but I said, wouldn't it? With prostate cancer, I said, Wouldn't that be something? Me with a cowboy hat on and cowboy boots and and the diaper? You know, I got a nose for value, right? Things that I done again, commercials were done.
00:40:55
They would.
00:40:56
They would not.
00:40:57
They would write out the 1st 1 They there's no practice runs with them because I like the one I did with the rough and ready garbage bags.
00:41:05
I kicked it and then I went, Ah hoo! And then, is that the one? They say you never know which one they're gonna take our What's gonna happen, Eddie, thank you so much for your time.
00:41:18
It's a great book available on Amazon and where books are sold all over the place.
00:41:22
I also want to touch base with you because I'm doing a book on Ranger first.
00:41:26
I definitely want to talk to you about some of you remain memorable Ranger games.
00:41:30
What We really appreciate your time tonight and more importantly, the, you know, hundreds of games and entertainment you gave NHL fans for many, many years.
00:41:40
My son is in lives in Brooklyn, New York, and his name is Jimmy.
00:41:44
I just want a payload of Simeon, and he's doing after a thank you, right? Shout out to Jimmy.
00:41:50
I write any thanks So much for the legendary Eddie Shack, four times Stanley Cup champ, a great book that the photos in the book are amazing.
00:41:58
It's also interesting.
00:41:59
He wore Number 23 the reason why I wore Number 23 is backwards.
00:42:04
It looks like his initials and which is pretty cool.
00:42:07
So it's on the map shack and it looked like e a backwards.
00:42:12
All right, we're gonna take a quick break on the other side.
00:42:14
We're gonna talk more hockey.
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00:44:25
Carter, Ryan Sherman with you this Sunday evening.
00:44:27
We just finished talking with the man that was one of the most entertaining hockey players from 1959 to 1975.
00:44:34
So we'll follow it up with one of the most entertaining.
00:44:36
Ah, NHL reporters.
00:44:39
Russ Cone.
00:44:40
So how you doing, Russ? Good mark area.
00:44:42
Pretty good.
00:44:43
All right, so a J is beaming Ajax.
00:44:44
I'm not going.
00:44:45
Oh, I watched 1/3 period.
00:44:48
The hour I accessed the man watch Rocky, lest I watched the third period.
00:44:53
I love the game comeback deficit, and what they have going on there is pretty amazing.
00:44:59
It's a fun time to be an Islander fan. Absolutely.
00:45:02
And we've spoken this, you know, because It just keeps rolling on.
00:45:05
And you were actually at the game and in the locker room.
00:45:07
What's the sense you get from that team? And how much is this confidence helping them to build on this and keep the momentum going? Much like what we saw with the Hurricanes last year, You know, it kind of takes on a life of its own.
00:45:23
Once you start getting on a roll like this, yeah, I mean, first thing you take out is, Is that map ours? Ours really like a complete hockey player.
00:45:32
Now they have taught him the complete game.
00:45:34
He may not score as much as he didn't that 85 point season, but he's still a burgeoning stars.
00:45:41
So that's that's the first thing that you see which they desperately need.
00:45:45
You know, Anders Lee still really good.
00:45:47
Brock Nelson, still very effective.
00:45:49
You might say they need some scoring.
00:45:51
I still agree with that, but they have a confidence there.
00:45:55
That right now is hard to beat and even down three going into the third period after the game I spoke with Cal, Clutterbuck is I know he always shoots straight and he felt like even though the Flyer scored on one shot, the only shot they had in the second period that they really want the period.
00:46:14
And, you know, I understand what he was saying.
00:46:17
And I didn't actually think about that at the time because I wasn't, I guess focused in on that.
00:46:24
But they were, and they knew that they would come out and have a really good chance to win the game.
00:46:29
If you come out of a game, you know, into 1/3 period down three goals and you think you can win, you're gonna win a lot again.
00:46:36
Yeah, and you know, you have to take your hat off to Barry Trotz, ese.
00:46:39
He is a very, very good coach.
00:46:41
He's got them all bought into a system, and they played the system to perfection.
00:46:45
And it works.
00:46:46
There's no question again, you've said it all along.
00:46:48
Remains to be seen.
00:46:50
Come playoff time.
00:46:51
If it's going to be enough, it's that lack of, you know, to me, the takeaway.
00:46:55
You look at what happened.
00:46:56
You bring in a competent general manager and a cop in Koshien.
00:46:59
Look what isn't happening with the other sports in New York would say, one of the teams the place at Madison Square Garden.
00:47:06
We don't want to be confident.
00:47:07
I mean, remember, oh is one of the best ever at his job.
00:47:12
Barry Truck is one of the best in the game at his job in the screen.
00:47:16
One before we coach is the best in the game.
00:47:18
So not often you get a chance to put that kind of staff together. Absolutely.
00:47:23
All right.
00:47:24
Very, very interesting article and United touched on this last week by Liar Brooks in today's paper about sure, Serkin.
00:47:32
And you know the fact that you have about eight more games left before the ability to send Jordan Gordeyev down without passing waivers.
00:47:42
That window closes in eight games.
00:47:44
So looking at the schedule, Larry kind of said that this is the time to bring up Igor.
00:47:49
And you know, he's done everything they've asked of him in the h l.
00:47:52
Um, they could use a boost where ah goalie could get on a roll.
00:47:56
You agree with the time is now to bring him up? I do.
00:48:00
I would prefer they trade Georg you before they bring up Chester can.
00:48:05
And I think that because His value is very high right now.
00:48:09
You put it hard for him.
00:48:10
If he doesn't have a couple of games, they might talk you down.
00:48:13
Value wise come to deadline.
00:48:15
But otherwise I agree.
00:48:17
I mean, there is no reason to hold that kid right now.
00:48:20
And Hartford, uh, with long quest.
00:48:24
You know, as an example, I don't think David Quinn kind of gets him.
00:48:28
He brought him into that game with the day down for nothing.
00:48:30
With the defense doing nothing, and flung Chris was not gonna be ableto stop it and turn it around at the age of 37.
00:48:38
To me, that was just dumb.
00:48:39
So they probably do need assess Jerkins to get in there now to really start running the position that the NHL level for the eventual takeover of Henrik Lundquist.
00:48:50
Job me. Ask you a question.
00:48:53
Does George ing Lius Anderson get u P R V and a number one draft a first round draft pick commitment mother, First round or not? In this draft, it's too deep.
00:49:04
But it could get, you know, pull the RV and may be a first for the next year's draft.
00:49:11
That's possible, but I don't think they'll ever give you a first from this year's.
00:49:14
Even a first from next year, you pull the trigger on that.
00:49:16
Trade our dirt.
00:49:17
Yeah, I would, too.
00:49:18
And I think that's realistic for both teams. Needs as well.
00:49:21
Yep.
00:49:22
All right, Russ, we appreciate we'll see you next week.
00:49:25
Russ Cone here, each and every week.
00:49:26
More hockey agent.
00:49:27
I may have no choice, given the way the Knicks have been playing with.
00:49:33
I didn't have the next dude.
00:49:34
I didn't know they were still playing.
00:49:36
Okay.
00:49:37
All right. No. And rust, by the way.
00:49:39
We got we lost dress.
00:49:40
I want to let you know that there is going to be a Twinkies, serial Russians all over that.
00:49:46
All right, so we bring in from the ice, we move over to the hardwood, and we bring in the time Cone town.
00:49:52
I'm Talbert from school, and I just tapped not spoken to it for a while.
00:49:58
So a j you what? But the thing is, I actually watched him vegetable.
00:50:02
I want this.
00:50:03
How badly Cape he was gonna get boot.
00:50:04
I kind of enjoyed that.
00:50:05
But they said the questions.
00:50:07
Let's put the knicks aside.
00:50:08
for a second, I think leads.
00:50:10
The story of the day is mellow s oh, so mellow Ends up in Portland for me is like Niagara Falls.
00:50:18
Well, no Foley, except he's the story.
00:50:22
So what do you What do you make of this clamp mellow the police.
00:50:25
I mean, I think that firstly, I think time, Jonas, I might start using that, and yeah, I just, um I remember report having done that bit, let's get J.
00:50:38
R.
00:50:39
Smith back on the, um look, I think Melo I can't imagine.
00:50:45
And obviously, I I don't talk to the guy.
00:50:47
I don't have any input into, um, into his psyche.
00:50:52
I would have to imagine that being out of league be not being not being offered a job would have humbled him.
00:50:59
The point where the fiasco in O, K. C.
00:51:02
And Houston and him not understanding who he is, what he can offer or his role at this point be a different mellow.
00:51:09
That at this point, um, he understands his role.
00:51:12
He understands what's being asked of him.
00:51:13
And yet Carmelo Anthony can still score.
00:51:17
Oh, and he could provide some points off the bench.
00:51:19
And if he's embraced that role and he understands who he is, That's what.
00:51:22
Okay, See? Was looking for us that Houston was looking for.
00:51:24
That's a great piece, that the main ad Can he run with these guys? He never could.
00:51:30
He's 1/2 court player.
00:51:31
I can't imagine gonna hurt put on that much.
00:51:33
And honestly, if he does, there's no reason to keep him.
00:51:36
Um, Portland is a team of competing and start a very competitive West.
00:51:41
Their nucleus obviously centered around Damian Lillard, TJ.
00:51:45
They've got a nice young core there to get them at it.
00:51:49
Veteran leadership, somebody who's been in a playoff, somebody who could score off the bench.
00:51:52
It's not gonna hurt him.
00:51:53
The coach isn't gonna let him.
00:51:54
The GM certainly isn't going to either.
00:51:56
So why not? This is an all upside no riel.
00:52:01
I can't see a real negative here.
00:52:03
I can't imagine him about that happen.
00:52:05
So let's talk about a New York team, not the Knicks.
00:52:08
Let's talk about the next.
00:52:10
Kyra has hurt our things, spinning out of control in Brooklyn or is just a small blip in all things will right themselves.
00:52:16
As the season goes out.
00:52:18
Um, I think it's a little more than a small blip.
00:52:20
I think there are some real concerns there in terms.
00:52:22
The way this team is constructed at this point, I also think that it's the East soldiers.
00:52:29
It's not full panic.
00:52:30
Won't I still think Kyrie comes back? Lover, it's gonna come back at some point.
00:52:36
They're gonna do well and not still be able to make the playoffs.
00:52:40
I don't think it's full on crisis.
00:52:41
I think of this with the West.
00:52:43
Yeah, No, we you know, we'd be hitting the emergency button.
00:52:45
We start panicking and you'd be right to, um, again.
00:52:48
I never thought much of Tyree's game from the point guard position.
00:52:52
We've spoken about that ad nauseum.
00:52:55
I'm not sure all the pieces fit again.
00:52:57
Like we said, Um, this year's kind of playing with House money because I'm not gonna sell out season tickets next season.
00:53:05
This all gonna lose their fan base? This is kind of them just treading water until next year, when they're making the real run, I think they'll still be a playoff team.
00:53:13
Um, I think that there are some real issues there, but that's where this season's team in this season.
00:53:19
Like I said, that's house money.
00:53:22
So the so the Knicks will switch it back to the next.
00:53:24
They played with a chip on their shoulder against the Mavericks.
00:53:26
Is there a way that is it coaching? Is it just the players in the room, the chemistry of having them play with that chip on their shoulder in war games than just against the Dallas Mavericks? Well, I think there's a little bit of both.
00:53:37
I mean, in the game since then.
00:53:39
In the Charlotte game, they also played competitively.
00:53:41
Um, I think part of it is playing for post bail.
00:53:45
Obviously, the report on the rumors that he's on the chopping block of a female's press conference has these players playing for Koshetz, genuinely beloved and admired by his team.
00:53:55
I don't think any professional basketball player wants to be a laughing stock, and these guys are playing.
00:54:00
Most of this team are gonna be free.
00:54:03
Agents are not gonna be on the roster next season, so they're playing for the next job.
00:54:06
They're playing for pride.
00:54:07
Most guys, you've got the kids who don't certainly don't want to be losing.
00:54:11
They've never lost her life on A You're not in high school, not in college.
00:54:14
And then you got the veterans who? They certainly want no part of that.
00:54:18
They're not gonna be on the roster next season.
00:54:20
So I think I'm finding that competitiveness signing that edge.
00:54:23
I think it's gonna be there at the verge of telling deficiencies.
00:54:27
That is the plain truth.
00:54:28
They don't have a true point guard as much as they get Frank.
00:54:31
No Latino run.
00:54:32
As much as he's improved, he's not a true one.
00:54:35
I don't think anybody thinks he is.
00:54:37
L for L.
00:54:38
For Peyton, missing is not the problem.
00:54:40
Hey, Dennis Jr.
00:54:41
Even if he starts rounding into shape, he still doesn't look like the guy problem for Texas.
00:54:46
There doesn't seem to be the guy in the next draft.
00:54:48
And unless there's some kind of free agent or trade available, I'm not during answers, really on the horizon.
00:54:55
They roll, fight.
00:54:56
They have been, and I think a lot of that is for Coach Isabelle.
00:55:00
But I wouldn't give Chris stop thinking too much credit for that Dallas win.
00:55:06
I think Charlotte was a hard luck loss as well, and they're fighting okay, We appreciate Talbert not the game later.
00:55:14
Time Cone.
00:55:15
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00:55:21
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00:55:24
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But joining us now is the man who bought, sold and traded his way into the largest Jose Conseco baseball collection in the world.
01:01:14
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01:01:15
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01:01:26
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01:01:27
It is a pleasure to welcome Tanner Jones to 5 40 AM Sports Talk New York Welcome, Tanner.
01:01:33
Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.
01:01:34
It's absolutely out pleasure.
01:01:36
So, first of all, I want you to know that you are not alone.
01:01:39
I at one time had one entire room from Florida ceiling, but with finders that have every single major cards that from 1966 to about 2013 as well as many minor sets.
01:01:50
So I get you totally A J.
01:01:53
And I wrote a book about fathers and sons in baseball, so there are a lot of parallels here.
01:01:57
So first off, tell us what impact your late father, Dwayne Clarke Jones, head on you and your baseball collection card collection, you know? Gosh, I love that You said his name on air here.
01:02:09
That was great that I never had that question before And, uh, my, uh, my dad.
01:02:15
Just a wonderful man.
01:02:17
A wonderful, wonderful man.
01:02:18
Yeah, he helped a lot in my early years of collecting by being the one that actually took me to my favorite baseball card shop, the Bolton and Fries.
01:02:27
No, I was growing up.
01:02:29
Um, actually talked to my mom about this year's layer about what his thoughts on baseball baseball cards already said.
01:02:35
Well, Tanner is, she said there, honestly, he really didn't like baseball baseball cards until you got into it.
01:02:41
It was really come away for him.
01:02:42
Teoh be with you and have something to do with you.
01:02:46
So yeah, I really appreciate it.
01:02:47
I love that story.
01:02:48
No, Another parallel in our book in your book is A J.
01:02:52
And I talk about a Met fantasy camper, Shane McDonald, who comes from just Saskatchewan, and he bought his first baseball card pack, and before he opened it, he committed to whatever player was on the top of that pack.
01:03:05
He was going to be a fan of that team.
01:03:08
It was 1970 he pulled a Jerry Koosman, and he committed to be a life long met fan who every two years, you know, journeys down to Mets fantasy camp.
01:03:17
Spends $5000 to put on the Met uniform.
01:03:20
You get a Jose Conseco card in the first pack that you ever got, and we'll talk about that a little bit.
01:03:27
But out of that pack, you also had your first baseball trade proposal is Well, tell us a little bit about that.
01:03:35
Yes.
01:03:36
So we were, uh, visiting some family friends.
01:03:39
I somewhere in California.
01:03:41
I don't know exactly what city it was, but you know that the son of the family said any dad, I want to go to baseball card shop, and, uh, okay, let's go.
01:03:51
So we all went and I didn't know anything about baseball baseball cards back then, like, Okay, I want to go.
01:03:56
So he gets, uh, a little strange, uh, wax rapper covered thing at cards, and I had never seen anything like this before.
01:04:05
It was like, Hey, Mom, you can't get one too.
01:04:08
Okay, Sure.
01:04:09
So they dropped down the 45 cents or whatever it is, and here me and Charlie are the ones opening these two packs of 87 tops baseball cards and, uh, yeah, so he pulls the National League rookie of the year, Todd Well, and he was excited about it.
01:04:25
Had a gold rookie cup logo and in the bottom corner.
01:04:29
So, you know, I'm happy for him.
01:04:31
But I got one of those two, and, uh, the guy that I got was a rookie of the year, Jose Conseco.
01:04:37
Uh, Charlie, for some reason, was as excited as he was over that Todd Worrell card.
01:04:43
He was, like, way more excited in the kitchen with the Conseco card. I fold.
01:04:47
Oh, man.
01:04:48
Hey, we should trade.
01:04:49
We should trade.
01:04:50
I don't know.
01:04:52
I'm not really sure I don't know anything about either of these guys, but, you know, you seem way too excited about my cards.
01:04:57
I think I'll probably keep her for now.
01:05:00
Amazing way before Facebook groups or Twitter or Instagram, there was Prodigy and CompuServe and other online service is Can you fill our audience in how you use Prodigy to make trades and how one bad experience that still bothers you? Let's just these days later concerning Satchel Paige, let's just stop for one second and describe product if people remember it.
01:05:19
It was basically the Internet without graphics.
01:05:24
Yeah, that's so let me tell you something.
01:05:26
Um, That's pretty amazing that you bring that up the first, while I am I still in line here.
01:05:31
You're Yes. OK.
01:05:33
I just wanna make sure that you know you still hear me.
01:05:34
But, man, Prodigy was like my life back in the late eighties, early nineties.
01:05:40
So I remember sitting in front of this glorious machine called the Computers the 1st 1 we ever had and just growing that orange text, you know, and I loved it.
01:05:51
And so we would die, Elin, and you share all the pops and hisses and everything of the modem, and nobody could use the phone for, you know, however long you're on.
01:06:01
And and so there were these little, uh I guess you could call in chat rooms, and so we would buy and sell and trade.
01:06:08
Now, we're not supposed to buy and sell on these on these groups here.
01:06:12
We're only supposed to be trading.
01:06:14
So we thought were so clever.
01:06:17
We would actually add a little secret code that let's say we wanted in 1987 were Will Clark.
01:06:24
We would be willing to trade for H G W.
01:06:28
R sees, which stood for George Washington rookie cards.
01:06:31
So eight bucks for that will court on.
01:06:34
And I'll tell you that it was a great thing because it actually kind of jump started me into.
01:06:39
Actually being somebody that could buy and sell baseball cards is first thing online as well.
01:06:45
I mean, I mean airport 20 online.
01:06:47
It's nothing like the Internet nowadays or anything like that at all.
01:06:50
But it was a blast, and I remember on our wedge every single day I have, like a lion of packages going out and a bunch of them coming in.
01:07:01
So the Mel Day back then when I was 9 10 11 years old was just as exciting.
01:07:05
Uh, has been for the last several years.
01:07:08
Uh, and you know, kind of answer the other question about what happened with Satchel Paige.
01:07:13
I had this 1982 and we'll tell you all something right away.
01:07:18
If you remember the early nineties, this is like this is like the time to be a baseball card collection, right? So when you have a 1982 Don Rhys complete set with Cal Ripken Jr rookie card in there, it's something.
01:07:32
And so I thought I was just a high roller here.
01:07:35
I found out somebody that wanted Thio trade me a 1953 top Satchel Paige.
01:07:40
And I think there's something else I don't remember.
01:07:43
Uh, what? It was offhand.
01:07:44
Uh, but yeah, we did the trade online, and I got the cards in turn there from 1991 tops archives.
01:07:52
Instead, I knew that the size was off and I knew that was glossy.
01:07:56
You shouldn't be like that for the original 50 trees.
01:07:59
I was I was I was just absolutely heartbroken.
01:08:03
You drift away from the hobby at age 14 as many of us do.
01:08:07
You girls come into the play and things like that, but you get back to it due to an act of nature, an act of God.
01:08:13
Hurricane Rita, which brought you back to the hobby.
01:08:16
Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah.
01:08:19
So, uh, it's probably about 2005 or so.
01:08:23
I think the electricity was out, and it's like, What do you do when you don't have electricity or Internet, You know, I mean, like, you just, like, sit there like a knucklehead.
01:08:33
I mean, what happens? What do you do? So I was like, Well, I guess I'll go up into my office into the closet.
01:08:38
I saw my Jose Conseco baseball card collection from when I was a child.
01:08:43
I pulled him out and I go, Oh, hey, I remember bringing him downstairs.
01:08:47
Put him all over, Table on going.
01:08:49
This is possum.
01:08:50
I remember this $1980 19 8 I'm clear.
01:08:54
1987 thoughts.
01:08:55
There's the rookie Cup card, and I was just so excited.
01:08:58
And so my mother in law and sister in law come in.
01:09:01
And so they see this grown man sitting here in front of like this table full of the small cars.
01:09:07
Not just baseball cards, but baseball cards of one baseball player and the my sister in law.
01:09:12
Looks at them looks because wow, man, crush much.
01:09:17
I felt kind of ashamed a little bit like, you know, she had me tag.
01:09:21
That's that's pretty much what it was.
01:09:23
You know, it's interesting because the second half of the book is dedicated to how you establish your truly monumental Jose Conseco collection, which includes the rarest of the slugger's baseball cards.
01:09:34
For me, um, when they kept on adding the chase cards is kind of what I lost it for May because it almost made it truly impossible to complete, You know, complete sets of any individual year.
01:09:47
But you love the chase for all things Conseco.
01:09:50
So saying that what is the holy grail of all Jose Conseco cars? Man, you know, it's kind of difficult to say nowadays just because there's been such a glut of new cards.
01:10:04
I mean, there's one of ones that produced, like daily it seems like So I would say, probably for me, they're like, First of all, I love inserts and payrolls from the nineties like That's just that's the place to be.
01:10:18
I think you know it's where's cards go.
01:10:19
So I would say probably one would be the 1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold.
01:10:26
It's a print run of 30 and ah, it's a gorgeous card.
01:10:30
I've only seen one for sale ever.
01:10:32
There's others.
01:10:33
Obviously, there's tons of one of one's out there.
01:10:35
I when I have my entire collection, I had over 201 of one, you know, But I would have probably given up any of those hurt me for the nice Ex lecture.
01:10:44
Five year gold for me.
01:10:46
I think the ultimate would be the Jose Conseco celebrity boxing card because it was actually Ozzy.
01:10:52
Conseco showed up, but I don't think they have that card.
01:10:55
But A J had a question, a question.
01:10:57
He was looking at the value of a single person's card collection.
01:11:02
How does that value get changed up and down.
01:11:06
But what happens to that person in the news? When the disclosures came out with the old in with the Jews with them when the book came out, when the Christians how did the value of Canseco carts riser full baseball was happening to him in his life with other things? Yeah, that's actually a very, very good question that happened.
01:11:23
Like his, uh, his books Female, I think around 2000 for So, um and to be honest with yet, I think we really get hardcore insecure Saeko collecting as an adult.
01:11:35
So probably about 2013 or 14.
01:11:37
Um, now, I do have, uh, say also, which is kind of interesting to me is, uh, whenever I first started, it was almost like, you know, have a black balled Jose from baseball.
01:11:49
Well, it seems like they also blackballed him from baseball cards because from 2007 to 2013 there's like almost nothing out there is for his car because there's a few weeks cars and everything but tops doesn't have anything.
01:12:03
And, like the 2014 is really when they start ramping up everything again, you know, there is now, you know, like I mentioned I had a tremendous collection.
01:12:13
When I moved, I kept, you know, sold everything with the exception of for some reason when I was nine years old.
01:12:19
That 1969 cops said, held special meaning to me.
01:12:22
So I held on to that in the 1970.
01:12:24
Kellogg's three D set is basically, you know what I've held onto.
01:12:28
I've also picked up a couple of the heritage sets, so but A.
01:12:31
J and I still, every year when baseball our season ramps up, we stopped at the 7 11 right down the block.
01:12:38
Here we pick up and and we open a couple of packs on the air and we give Rand Gunn.
01:12:43
You're exactly you know he's broken a few teeth on it, but for someone who still loves the hobby.
01:12:48
Especially now with all the different, you know, online communities and tops back.
01:12:53
What would you suggest for me to rekindle my love for collecting? What would you suggest I do? What would be something I should get into at this point? So my first suggestion would be for you to actually sit down and really think about that collection that you had in the past and make a list of the cars that you wish you had not sold.
01:13:13
Uh, it's not necessarily right, right? Yes, it's not necessarily all about the new cars.
01:13:21
Obviously, I think we have such a rich history of baseball cards that we can choose from over the past several decades and you know, you really past century and 1/2.
01:13:31
So let's say, for example, you kept at 69 top set in this kind of all kind try a retro fitness for everybody else is listening as well.
01:13:39
But you know, my thing is like, if you if you say well, I really like that At 71 top said Also, the black borders were beautiful.
01:13:47
Man, why I sell that? So maybe you think OK, well, Let's go after the 70 ones instead.
01:13:52
Auras well or, you know, I only went back to 66.
01:13:55
What about the 57 tops? Oh, that's it.
01:13:58
That's a beautiful set is Well, so let's let's go for that.
01:14:01
So I think it's really important to be intentional.
01:14:03
A ce faras what you collect.
01:14:05
Because if you don't, you're just gonna continue getting packed in boxes in cases and, uh, hit something every now and then, but not really can't be meaningful.
01:14:13
True, My wife, you know, she knows how much I love it when every garage sale she picks up these huge 500 you know, count boxes of the wax pack junk stuff, but it's no fun going through an open.
01:14:24
You're gonna find something, but, um, I love the book, and it was definitely something that had meaning for me.
01:14:31
Where's the best place for people to pick up this amazing new book and keep up with you on social media as well? Yes.
01:14:38
So the book could be picked up on Amazon, uh, and Scot free shipping for Amazon Plain folks, I would like to also come out with the audio version of it pretty soon We'll see you whenever I get time to do that.
01:14:49
Er and er you know, socially you can hit me up at, Ah Tan Man BB san on Twitter and that email tam and baseball fans.
01:14:57
You know what calm and my website came in. Baseball fan dot com.
01:15:00
Awesome that the one thing I have got into because you mentioned that the look of those cards the 69 70 71.
01:15:06
I do love that the tops heritage when they use those designs with the new players that that I enjoy a lot, especially some of the inserts.
01:15:14
But that's what killed me.
01:15:15
The inserts where you couldn't collect what officially I would consider the complete set is they just kept on, adding and adding and adding, and before you know, turned around.
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It was like 1100 cards for 19 No.
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2017 set.
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Yeah, I completely understand.
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And I think that that's why it's really, really important for us to impose on limits on the sets, even if But you say, for instance, like the 2019 Heritage, instead of going for the variations in the S, P S and the SS peas and the other parallels and stuff.
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It's it's like a legitimate basis version.
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I think it's just a wonderful idea to try collect as well.
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Yeah, I think that that's you booked me on it because as I'm reading the book, I said, I gotta get back into collecting something And it's a great great read.
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So thank you so much it reading the book gives you the feeling of opening up a wax packet and getting cards.
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So it was great.
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Great. We really enjoyed having you on tonight. Tanner.
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Well, thank you for allowing me to come on.
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When were you last week? Mark? I knew you were gonna be back.
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So I tell me work.
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Would you have this week? We re played the national anthem last week.
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That will always be good.
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So what we have this week is they talk about how exercise is good for you Exercises stimulating for the brain.
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You ever seen Japan? Just did a study.
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Guess what sport they looked at to find it is very good.
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If you wanted to help stave off the onset of Alice farmers, aging dementia, things like that.
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What support? You think they came up your hockey? Hockey with hitting? You know, of course, the head with a stick.
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I know what it is.
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It's that, um, wife carrying beer, right race that you always talk about your clubs.
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Okay, It is bad.
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They took a look in that said bad men is good for the brain.
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They wrote in the journal.
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They said that bad for not going to breast feed for bits of the shuttle spatial position of the opponent, roasted choose appropriate shots and perform.
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And because of this, because you have to think in different ways badminton more so than running love.
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Other sports, they said, can help keep you help stave off the onset of dementia.
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You know, I don't know the veracity of this study.
01:19:08
A how many people play badminton while they wait.
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They had 20 year at least with a study.
01:19:14
How many? 20.
01:19:15
They took a test group of 20 study brain function Happen to other sports.
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20 people from what are their ages.
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I don't know.
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Doesn't say here when I have here, but they think it was a university in Japan.
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So I don't know what the age range is there, but, uh, I have a feeling this is, like, you know, similar to like n Zeit or when it was male enhancement Drugs was not stopping by the badminton founding.
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I believe it is.
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I'm sure it is because, first of all, who even dreamed up.
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All right, let's say about about who picked that night and who came up with the control group.
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All right.
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I want to find 20 Bad Mitch and around 20 complaint people have played badman and a criminal had the run that Z which produced the best maintaining of brain function.
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Uh, so if you wanted I'm sorry, Chard.
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I do find you forgetting things like, Oh, I don't know if we should be saying that pickle ball is the best.
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What you're saying? I know just what you just said.
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I was Oh, my.
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Well, that Reed is getting better and better.
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I hope I get a little weird.
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Yeah, right.
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What was that? It was.
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So it's like you just saw 53 guys.
01:21:42
What about 53 on the other? And then the coaches are wearing the military's the flutes of service Day, so they kind of stood out, but they looked where they looked like somebody that was going to take your order for Frank.
01:21:53
Let's actually have serious right? So let's start with Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph.
01:21:58
You know, a lot of people are saying that, you know, Listen what Miles Garrett did, there's no excuse for that is so incredibly ugly.
01:22:07
If you haven't seen it, look at no, no, look, it's just it's one of the most disgusting displays in any professional sport that I've seen in all my years.
01:22:17
So break that down.
01:22:18
And do you think that the suspension is, you know? Is it enough? Even? Yeah, I think he's going to be done for the year on then in the office, I think maybe home miss two games, thanks to a tutor for bounty it much longer than that.
01:22:33
You know, it's kind of funny.
01:22:34
Mark, you and I being big hockey guys.
01:22:36
Branches in the lighting have been going at it two games this year.
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And in all those scrums, you don't see anybody.
01:22:42
We're gonna stick at anybody nor filling in a helmet at anybody.
01:22:46
Just a black eye for the NFL.
01:22:48
Mason Rudolph Definitely on a guy that you know without fault here.
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But no excuse.
01:22:53
No excuse to use a helmet as a weapon like that.
01:22:55
You put you put that in the category of the wonderful John Roseboro.
01:22:59
Oh yeah, that that that's the first thing I thought of you and Marty McSorley.
01:23:04
Yeah, those the hit on Dominic's brother Steve Maura's Well, that's what those some of that minor league baseball game or things that the batter turns and kicks the catcher used the question.
01:23:18
Can Myles Garrett rebuilding himself rebuilt a symbol? What does he have to do to rebuild his image? The biggest thing is to do other than that, what he was doing, being a defensive player of the year candidate.
01:23:31
That's the thing in the NFL looking to give you a leeway as egregious.
01:23:35
We've seen Bridges, counties all the time, but you can play.
01:23:38
You're going to get an opportunity again.
01:23:40
You can't repeat the guy number one overall pick built like a Greek god, and I guess that he's on the short list for a defensive player of the year.
01:23:47
So if he can get back to playing at that level, we're gonna think more about that than what happened just a couple days ago against Pittsburgh.
01:23:54
It's funny you say that because if you can play on, you do something previous on the field during the game, they let you back in the league but trying out a rotating image, you know, smiling during the national anthem.
01:24:11
Was this a dog and pony show? Do you think this was legit? Do you think that this was just the NFL saying, Well, look, we gave you.
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Try no you want.
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And what is the meaning behind him? Moving? This is the location of the tryout.
01:24:23
One of his choosing.
01:24:25
I wish during this whole process, like there'd be something where it was like it's right around there.
01:24:30
Used to be so much gray area.
01:24:32
I think both sides have probably at fault here.
01:24:34
I mean, he was a crude, too.
01:24:35
Can take T shirt, too.
01:24:37
I mean, guys, that's not really the best message.
01:24:39
At the end of the day, I know he's trying to make a point here, but it is a job interview.
01:24:43
So you you kind of have to be good to the boss and said, It's kind of like you or me this I don't know.
01:24:49
It just I understand what he was trying to dio.
01:24:52
I thought there was some good media attention that those kind of wonky with the NFL did.
01:24:55
But I don't know this.
01:24:57
I don't think that's brought resolution.
01:24:59
Anything up.
01:25:00
I agree with you.
01:25:01
So you're feeling well, Anybody sign him in the next two weeks? Well, this just continue on going the next season and see what happens in the off season.
01:25:09
This, you, anybody, anybody bites it from signing.
01:25:13
We have a better chance, in my opinion, the off season.
01:25:15
I don't know if anybody wants to bring that surface to their team.
01:25:19
I mean, you want to minimize distractions this time of year, You want to make sure everybody's on the same page.
01:25:24
You want to eliminate all that outside stuff.
01:25:26
If he's not gonna come in and play for somebody right away, why it's not worth it.
01:25:30
Was anyone in dire need of a quarterback is basically looking.
01:25:34
What happened? Piccoli.
01:25:35
Today you've got all the backup pull, these backup quarterbacks playing.
01:25:38
You got people putting in, hardly chatted rookies and not so tattered rookies because there's a guy who has been played in three years.
01:25:44
You know, I think there would have been a bigger chance of him being in the league had he spent one season playing in the CFL.
01:25:51
No, continue playing competitive ball when you're different.
01:25:55
While Arenas not safe, it's nothing CFL going against.
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There is much different, do you? What was the reason? I don't know if you know J behind moving the tryout.
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I just thought that that was a weird image.
01:26:05
Tohave the NFL invite everyone toe one place and then hours before changing from what I was hearing, news that it was a lack of transparency as far as recording the workouts and when they couldn't agree to terms on that happening, said, Hey, we'll go to a high school about an hour away And whoever you know, they didn't want in Copper next month, the NFL to control the narrative.
01:26:26
So on Lee showing to process any overthrows receivers or something to that effect.
01:26:31
So that's why Kaepernick decided to move it.
01:26:35
It doesn't, you know it's not a good situation, because now it's like, Well, why don't the NFL starter home business eyes in this So open, so greedy on pump? It didn't seem like again there was any resolutions right there.
01:26:48
We got 30 seconds Quick question for you the last two weeks.
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Is it because Jets played? It's inferior competition? Or is it? The fact that their quarterback might finally be over? The effects of mononucleosis say is look so good these last two weeks.
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I think it's a little bit of both sides of the fence here, but I like stand on.
01:27:07
I like your body language.
01:27:08
I like the approaches he takes to the game.
01:27:10
And, hey, Jamal Adams.
01:27:12
I guess we got to start doing what you're more like, a dozen.
01:27:14
There's Nora boss for a little while and then come out like you planned.
01:27:18
I think the combination with those two guys to play makers on both sides doing their thing James and crowded with that touchdown catch.
01:27:24
I think it's some positive signs going forward for the Jets, for sure.
01:27:28
Getting some great play out of the tight ends as well.
01:27:30
All right, Jay.
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We appreciate it.
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Jane Retro here each and I broke with you.
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That means it's time for our baseball report.
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And that means it's Ah, it's an off speed pitch John Carpenter heard here each and every week on 5 40 AM Sports talking.
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Okay, you're doing Johnny.
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Ah ah, boy.
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So lay off on this one.
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This is unbelievable.
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You know, I watched that tape and I didn't hear anything to tell you the truth that you know and, you know, they slow down the tape, and it is a one I saw was with Evan Gattis it that I believe itwas and you always said it on the screen is just his bank, but I don't hear anything.
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Have you watched any tape? Have you seen anything? And is wondering how in real time, how quickly can you get Ah, the camera shot from the center field camera, someone underneath looking at a TV monitor, relaying that sign to someone to be able to bang on something? Well, that well, that's the question I think the Astros have to answer.
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I did hear the bangs and I saw a few videos online.
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I even went back Thio some videos that I had and I and if you go back to 2017 there's a home run that George Springer hit off a Chris flexion and it was very state.
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But you did hear a bang and it was an off speed pitch and it was down the middle and Springer headed 9000 miles.
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So, yeah, I do.
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I do think there's something to it.
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You raise a valid point about the cameras because, as you know, from being in Madison Square Garden as often as you are, the live feed that you see in the media room is not what they you don't see that on TV for 15 seconds.
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Then there's a delay, and that's what it is in most arenas in ballparks, there's a delay between what's in house and what goes out on the television.
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So the question is, what feeds or the Astro scene? Did they create their own feeds? And was it something that you could that that was piped into their dugout? That you could see immediately wasn't on an iPad? Was it on what technology did they use? I heard the bangs.
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I think it's legitimate.
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Ah, and and I and I worry for the Astros.
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Not that I have any stake in the Astros, but And now that there's a paper trail with executives asking, how do we steal signs in the report from the major league baseball gonna come at em high and they're going to come at him hard.
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So here's Here's the questions that come out of hiding.
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Come at him hard.
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Who is going to be? What's the extent of the damage going to be? And will it extend to people like, say, Carlos Beltran, that affect his ability to manage the mitts? I think if it extends to people like Beltran and Cora, it will be a token slap on the wrist because they know that it doesn't seem like they were the creators of this whole scheme.
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It seems like this went high.
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It seems that aging Hinch was a part of it, and it seems like Jeff flew as if Jeff Luneau might have known about it, but didn't do anything.
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If he if they find proof that he knew about it, it's gonna be It's gonna be deadly.
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What I what? I think, the courses thing that comes to my mind and tell me if I'm crazy is the New Orleans Saints when they suspended Sean Payton for hire year and Greg Williams for an entire were year for Bounty Gate.
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And I'm not saying that what they did was similar because it was, you know, coming in high and hard, rather as opposed to stealing signs.
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They weren't hurting anybody, but they were.
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But they were cheating and cheating.
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That looked upon very well.
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So I think you could see penalties such as, Ah, half a season to a season suspension for Hinge.
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And with Blue now, I mean, listen, John Coppolella.
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The Braves got got kicked out of the game for cooking the books on prospects.
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The question is whether baseball considers this worse than that.
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I think baseball might.
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And if they do, just Luna was in trouble.
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He said.
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He he may not see another day on the payroll.
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This is the N C. A. A.
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What they do is they end stupid.
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They vacate the championships, they take away the way.
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I don't know.
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I don't think it should.
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I'm not a fan of asterisks.
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I think you're on a slippery slope.
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When you start doing that, I don't I don't think it will do that.
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And I don't I don't like it.
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I do think that they'll come after him with a really heavy suspensions, really heavy fines and graphics.
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So that the Devil's Advocate question, though, is this has been going on sign stealing something on since time immemorial.
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If you remember, the story that came out was about 567 years ago about sign stealing in the 1951 Ryan's World Science World.
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It was at the playoff game against the Dodgers.
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Yes, Bobby times, there were still they were stealing the signs.
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They have the signs.
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Well, you know, that's baseball has been, to some extent, a room.
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Renegade types, right? But that was a different way. It wasn't with you.
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You know, available technology makes a difference to you if you if you get your selling stolen by the human eye, that's on you.
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What technology you can't do anything about.
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And that's why baseball takes is taking this seriously.
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So two things in reference this number one.
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No, I find it hard to believe because, you know, players get traded So the second the player gets traded from something that knows about that, you know it's done.
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The second player from the Astros organization who has knowledge of this going on gets traded to another team.
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He tell you he's not gonna keep that secret anymore.
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It's kind of unbelievable how brazen it was right in that way.
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Number two.
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And I love the guys.
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I mean.
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And you know how high in regard I hold Michael Kay and John MacGregor.
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So Michael Kay and Donna Graca had on this week as a guest.
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Alex Rodriguez.
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Okay.
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And they were asking Alex Rodriguez about sheeting, and it never dawned on any of them to ask, You know.
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Well, Alex, you've cheated before.
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Is this a different level of cheating? But then they has kind.
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But then they were talking about Alex Rodriguez stealing signs when he was out it at second base from the catcher, and he said, Yes, you know you do that, especially him is a short stop.
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Back in the day, he would have to see his capture signs anyway, so he was always good at picking it up.
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But the fact that you were you're interviewing Alex Rodriguez in reference to, Ah, a cheating scandal I found humorous.
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That is how you can get I yes, books for you if it takes one to know one.
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Yeah, it's almost like us having Lenny sisal on talking about, like a strip club scandal.
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What's gonna come next week? He's even doing anything to stop this from happening on the field. Forget with the punishments.
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What can or what do you think they will do to make sure this type of second technology's not used again to steal signs? I really think it depends on how they did it.
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I think when you when the details start to come out about the machinations of this, what exactly was happening here? What cameras were they using? Were they using iPads? Were they using Apple watches? What were they using? I think once you find that out, I think that they spoke to implement a system to stop it.
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They seem to have some sort of system where there's only the center field camera, Um is is monitored by a club official, and there's somebody monitoring the club official to make sure that they're not that they're not relaying the signs, So I think it will be something like that. Except it will be.
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It'll be kind of shaping Thio match whatever comes out in this investigation.
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All right, John, we didn't get to touch on the fact that the Mets won two major awards this past week.
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He had a breakout season, scoring 26 goals on a line with Ron Ellis and Bob Pulford.
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His popularity was such that a novelty song written in his honor reach number one on the Canadian pop charts and charted for nearly three months.
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He is a four time Stanley Cup champion, a three time All Star.
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It is a pleasure to welcome him to sports Talk New York.
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So clear the tracks.
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Because here comes Eddie Shack. Welcome, Eddie.
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Wow.
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Uh, I'm from pretty nice interview.
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He sounded.
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Did you want me to sing the sound? Clear? The track here comes back.
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Give him a lot.
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You know what? It wouldn't be the listen.
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We've had Ernie Banks sing for us.
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Ronnie Spector sing for us.
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So you got any shock to a little for us? So you have this amazing new book out sharing stories from over the course of your nearly 20 year NHL career.
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Hockey's most entertaining stories features historic news clippings and never be seen photographs, which retells the story of your life from before hockey growing up in Sudbury through your NHL career.
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So how did this book come about? Well, I I go to the framework place, and, uh, they said, Well, what would you like to write? A book? A like you're you know, you're from Sudbury or a butcher.
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You have done all these different things.
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You you worked in a circus selling candy apples.
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You had bars.
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You have, of course, is you had two different things on dhe.
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Maybe. And I met a literature.
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I can't say that means some.
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Sometimes they don't say it properly, but e literate already said again, You got it illiterate.
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Yeah, well, I am.
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And I'd like for other kids if the IRS add that if they work hard, they can get what they want in life.
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You know what I mean? So it's It's a nice thing that things happened to me, and I've been very, very fortunate.
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But I was I was like a strong kid, and I had a lot of fun.
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It's interesting to see the book.
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It's great because there's so many different aspects to it.
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First of all, from where you grew up.
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There's a great joke about Sudbury.
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Could could you share that with us? Because they basically say there are two types of people that come from Sudbury, Right? That is the reason that really grow potatoes.
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And the only way they get a most blast of right every.
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There's a lot of hockey players come from there.
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Uh, like, uh, Timmy Horton.
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George Armstrong, like Andre always say hockey players in that on, and I can't say it and radio, but, like I would say like and girls do, right? Basically, I think the line is two.
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Things come from Sudbury, hookers and occupiers.
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Which team does your mother know? What position team does your mother play for? You gotta watch.
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What you're saying is that look after John Jerry thing and he got involved in a lot of trouble.
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You didn't.
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I'm I'm I'm 82 he's 85 I think he should have just apologized him.
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And that would have been a lot easier, you know? I mean, that's what I I like to make life simple is possible.
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You know, when I played hockey, then after hockey, everything was right.
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You know, what I mean? What was that? John Ferguson was young.
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Delvaux was Gordie Howe.
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You know, after hockey was over, we all got together and we had fun.
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You know what I mean? That's what That whole life have a little bit of fun, you know? I mean, maybe we have to fight like I not know Gordie Howe twice.
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I not Sam the key, the one from not good Reginald Fleming.
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But that's what you have to play hockey, and then you have to have your head down some fans and then yet if you didn't have it up, then you got you got things right.
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It's also interesting because the book is Warren unfiltered.
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It's funny because you asked a very good question right off the bat, and you lay out a great case for it.
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You asked why you're not in the Hall of Fame and point that that you want four Stanley Cups.
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You scored 20 or more goals with five different teams, but you give that answer right off the bat as to why you're not in the Hall of Fame.
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You want to share that with our audience.
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Well, first of all, you know that I've had very success in a lot of different things.
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Businesses and money wise is gonna have property and all that.
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And sometimes I tell people they're going to stick it in their priests.
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Or if I'm in a meeting with the hockey Hockey Hall of Fame, guys like I've I've done much more than they did.
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And I've I've entertained more and I can't get into the Ark elephant, because the ways that I like I can't read.
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If they have me read a script or something like that, I couldn't read it.
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Then I would read it wrong, and then I would probably maybe upset them.
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But a lot of people think I am in the Hockey Hall of Fame.
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No, you know to me when I when I go like I did referee in across Canada and, uh and we had that day like you.
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Do you think any shacks in the Hockey Hall of Fame and everybody thought that I would have been in the front because I've done so many different things that I'm looking If they put me in the hospitality of my cynical you know what I mean.
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I really don't give one I order.
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You know what it means.
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I've done everything that I could do in life.
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And I have had some great great friends.
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And I have good businesses and everything is going my way.
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I don't like when I was younger.
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I didn't really know what the hell Hockey Hall of Fame was you.
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I haven't got it.
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When you can't read, you don't know what different things.
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I didn't know what? That hockey.
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What do you have to do to get in the Hockey Hall of Fame? But then after later on, I found out that you know what? I think maybe I could have been in there, you know? I had it record after me.
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I had a look, you know, to me, and I've had I was the entertainer.
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I scored five goals for all these teams.
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I scored the winning goal.
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I was N v p.
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You know all these things I say? Well, I like Do these guys have that much that I don't know what I mean.
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That's what I like it like, Why not have fun when you're when you're in my state, right? Absolutely.
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And your story is an amazing one.
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You quit school in early age, you get a job like you mentioned at a butcher store.
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The story goes back that you even know, displayed great talents as a salesman, as a butcher.
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But your dad also soared that you have such a hard worker.
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But he also wanted you to play with kids your own age.
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So what he did was even though you guys, your family really couldn't afford it, he bore you pair of skates.
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What was it about the game of hockey that you fell in love with it such an early age that you actually told your mom that one day you're gonna play for the Leafs? Well, you know what? That I was strong, right? And I worked as a cleaning chickens, and I worked, You know what I mean? At the butcher shop.
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And I was young when I got my life when I was 13 you lied about your age of every are all it would do is cost you $100 so I could afford $200.
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I said that and I and I go, you know, and on being in the hockey like I got into it and I had fun with You know what I mean? I had fun, and my dad got me into it because I was working all the time and he said, you got in and what they do it at that you've got skates from somebody hand down or you got what I mean, and and then that's when you you skated are on the road, because in Sudbury they didn't have any self, and they wouldn't.
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But any subject of money what I mean and then I live, right? Besides, uh, that, uh what? How bad? I just use me for a minute that I forget Kim Horton and Brian Campbell and I lived, and then we always played hockey after, you know what I mean? And then I was shooting the Buck Gooden and, you know, like against the garage door and breaking the gradual like God.
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And then I got a chance to go up well for a training camp, and I was only, like, 14 or so, right, and that that's just go go.
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So I went up there, and that's when that on the back did theme pregnant Perry Hall.
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They just they were just out of wealth in on Dhe.
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There was room in well for me.
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And if you made Junior B team, you got 20 bucks a week, 15 for room and board and five bucks to spend a wise not going to work I can make for you know what I mean? And then I made I made the junior B, and then I made the junior A and then I Then things sort of said, Hey, look it, I think I can make the NHL and then the scientist deform for the New York Rangers.
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And the one thing about New York Rangers, I want a stadium.
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See, I was praying Junior A and I was playing fairly well, you know what I mean? And I was I had, like, 48 Bulls.
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But I wanted New York Rangers to bring me up to Toronto to play the maple leaves because I I had a lot of confidence.
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But at that time they didn't do that.
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And then I was sort of madam.
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So while you're in 12 you're playing hockey.
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But you also have a job, a couple of different jobs.
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So how hard was it to balance the demands, but having to play hockey and tryingto work.
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And how How did one helps the other having a job helping the hockey? Well, you like, you know, I worked there at Hales Meat Market in, Well, friend and, you know, you work from, uh, say nine.
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So four and then, you know, your practice practice at 4 30 And that's when that we had the practice.
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And then after practice, my guy had my car, I had a cars and then things air pretty like it was pretty nice there, you know what I mean? And then the people in the room and board was 15 and the people really like they thought the world of you that you're playing hockey and and you're doing well, eh? You know, you make it to the Angela at age 21 in the book, I read this and I went back this I said he could have really said that.
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You said one of the best things the happy to you that year was getting your teeth knocked out.
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Why was that? Well, you know what? Yeah, like I'm Ukrainian A and they we had in our teeth.
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They were spread in the middle.
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You know what I mean? There was like there was a little bit based in the middle, and I didn't like that.
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I hated that.
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I am When I looked at somebody that did that and I said, Right then, loop aren't Natto was it was a New York upstairs in the guy's way.
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Have at that time New York way should be back, this upstairs, and we have to go upstairs.
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Really addressed that downstairs.
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Then you went upstairs and little ****, Mato.
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Like he was a tough guy and eat like Onda.
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At that time, they didn't give one iota the like your I'm playing with you a little, you know, like, what are you doing? Right.
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But he would tackle your hit your wherever there is.
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But he was He was different like that, and he knocked my teeth out, but then they paid for it.
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But you had fallen deep, but they paid part.
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Slide like that was great, wasn't it? I don't have to pay for it, Brandon.
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You enjoyed it.
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So you and Phil Watts and the Rangers coach didn't get along too well after two plus season, they trade you first.
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It was the Red Wings where you thought you were going to get chance to play with Cordy.
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Have what? That deal fell through.
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His red Kelly was going to retire.
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Rather go to New York.
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So you get traded to the team that you had told your mom that you were going to play with when you were 11 years old.
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The Toronto Maple Leafs.
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It's interesting, because in the book, the legendary Leave Captain George Armstrong, who very rarely talks to anybody, is in this book talking about you.
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How did you get George for the book? Well, like a from Sudbury.
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George is from Sudbury, and and I'm like, I I mean literate.
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And he knew that.
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And then he helped me out.
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Like David.
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You were on the train when we went out one of the training that, like, he would order on my food.
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Like I judge, I'm having the same as you.
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And then at that time, you have to write out what you want, right? And then a lot of times when you can, when you can't read or write like you just say all past, you just say passed around a lot of people don't understand that.
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When when you when you don't read your I mean right, like.
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And I'm amazed, like on television how the people like you people can read their stories and and he's so perfect at it.
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When I started reading, it takes me a long time.
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So your style of play instantly made you a fan favorite.
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And a lot of a lot of that had to do with your play in 1964 playoffs.
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You ended up in a fight with Andre Rashard after 11 and landing several good punches early in the fight.
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You sent them out of the game for stitches.
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Later, in that same game, you continue the chaos by injuring you.
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John Bell of you with a hit into the boards.
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Toronto would win that game in the series and roots of Stanley Cup.
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The Legend of Eddie Shack grew, and then the 1966 song became a number one hit in Canada Way need to play a little bit.
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So, Rick, if you can, could you just play a little bit of that song for us? So I have I have to ask you this.
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You know, coming from where you did the trade.
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And now you're with the maple leaves.
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What was it like hearing that song every single place you went in Toronto for that period of time? Well, you know what it was really like.
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It was absolutely dynamite.
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It was on the radio.
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When you you'll be driving your car and you hear your song on the radio, that was totally, absolutely It was It was really good.
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Like, you really feel great about that.
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You know what I mean? For a guy for a guy that can't read or write, he's got a number one.
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And then who beat me out with Nancy? Every Sinatra, these boots were made for walking, and I I wear a cowboy hat and I were both day and I and mine was number one for a long time.
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And then she was one of these, but I was there for three weeks.
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Incredible.
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You win four Stanley Cups with the make believe 60 to 63 64 67.
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You scored the Stanley Cup winning goal in 1963 during your time in the blue and white.
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You also played in three All Star games from 62 to 64 You get traded to the Boston Bruins.
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May 15th 1967 while playing for the Bruins.
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You had your famous stick fight with Larry's Idol of the Flyers on March 7th, 1968.
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Bernie Parent is featured in the book Talking about that game.
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What do you remember about that? And you know, I have to imagine that's pretty scary being in a stick fight.
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Well, not really that here I am.
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I sent the Larry's Idol.
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I bury one more time and you'll get the stick right over the head.
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He saved me right over the head, right? And this was This was a Niagara fall in training camp.
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That's when it started.
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It started in and the Niagara Falls.
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And then we went up in the stands and park and and that's when the cops, they put us both in jail and then naturally played with Philadelphia, Philadelphia and the and the Bruins and Drano, right? It's like a scene as slapshot, you know, the the Anson's and then they locked him up.
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And that's not the first time you were in jelly that you got a speeding ticket when you were 13 packing today as well.
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So hee phase, like in several, like you could lie about Drake and then it would cost you 100 box that that I'm 13 and I I worked hard and I drove drunk and I washed trucks and, like, drove, like wait with their with their with the pigs and the cows and like and try pots on the clean check ins and everything that I worked hard and then I had.
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But then I went to Dominion Stars and at the menu stores they had Wednesday afternoon off, then on then at that time, like if you could afford to drink your drink, right? So then we went out a couple of drinks and this guy had a 40 40 to Dodge and I had a 38.
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And I know my dog would do 30 87 miles an hour, and I thought I could beat him, but I didn't.
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I said, Okay, after we had a few ****tails, Way said, Well, let's go out Highway 17 and let's see whose whose car is the fastest.
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So we went out and we drove, and then he passed me and his guy was the fastest.
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So there.
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Then he turned in and I was gonna turn in.
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But then I looked in my mirror and I think the cops I said, She's actually just get going and then go get going.
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But I went in and then they caught us for both for racing and speeding.
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And then the final was like 60 boxer stuff like that.
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So you played in the time in hockey where people didn't wear helmets and from that kind of those in warm asks how Gifford you think your game would have been and your actions and ice if you had to wear a helmet and go when you play the time.
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When goes, one asks.
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Okay, What? The helmet.
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You know what, guys? We're in a hell of value.
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You don't know that the individual is Well, now let's say that he didn't wear the helmet and he had his name on the back.
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You could tell the person a lot easier, you know, to me, like Ballard would, it didn't want to have their name on the back because he couldn't sell the programs.
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But now what with your no helmet your name on the back.
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You could tell the players much easier.
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And you and you knew Gordie Howe is your new font, Natalie, You knew, like all these different it was.
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But if a guy didn't show much in hockey like you wouldn't recognize him right now, you talk about your time with the Kings and the Sabres and and some great stories from your England stays in the book as well.
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Can you tell our audience about how you ended up sleeping at your former teammate, who was then your head coach Red Kelly after a House party landed, and I I like it and I love the guy, and I thank God that he he didn't go toe.
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Hey, didn't go to New York because that that deal with them, if he would have went through it to New York and then I I would have known.
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I mean, I wouldn't have been where I am today, but Red and I were good.
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Bradley's and my wife went out of town, and I had the guys over the house for a party right now where we're having a good party and the party's over and I want to go and see red.
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But today that you wouldn't have ah guy going seeing his coach when he was half in the bag.
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And then I had my dog.
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My dog was with me and that my Leonard wanted to put a pillow under my head because I was half in the bag.
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He wanted to put it on.
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The dog wouldn't let him touch me.
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That goes for you at I are big.
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What, What would happen? Go to a coaches brace when you're half innovate.
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So for our listeners out there, it's akin to John.
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Tomorrow's having a party at his house and then afterwards, walking down the block drunk and going to sleep on Mike Bab****'s floor.
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That's basically what happened, right? T Oh, yeah, Those things don't happen these days.
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Um, their signature mustache actually gets it.
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Started its burgers.
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Well, to tell us a little bit about that, Okay, I I got hurt and I was I was in the hospital for a couple of days and I didn't shave my moustache.
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My mustache was I figured, why everybody's going there moustache.
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I it let it grow and I come home and my wife says that looks absolutely a little You know what I mean? And when she said that, it's gonna stay from that.
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If you would have said that.
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Oh, that looks really nice.
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I would have probably shaved it off.
00:32:45
Hey, Eddie. So this is Ryan.
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Chairman.
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So you played for some pretty historic franchises over your time playing in the NHL, but also some very new ones.
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Can you tell us a little bit about where there any differences between the culture of the team, the way they were run get being on some of those new franchises? Well, it's gonna be a lot different now.
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You would like, Like the money and and the way they kids are in great shape, you know what I mean? And then the lake with no helmets and like that, the changes so much different.
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You know what I mean? Like, you don't shoot the park like I I was, uh, do today.
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And I was through with Bobby Hall and he was signing autographs and he told me he wrote it.
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The things that when I went to Chicago, I always a Bobby Bobby, get me a stick.
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Right? And he gave me is one of a fix is sure would stick and the commitment it would be one inch and 1/2 and that's when I scored a goal like that.
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Thanks, Bobby.
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And you never forgot about that.
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Then I had, like, I got the hat trick with it, right? They went over again.
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They Bobby, Bobby, probably.
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And then there's the coach you have.
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What is this all about? And I just Thanks, probably.
00:34:03
It's interesting you mention that Sherwood sick.
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And I've had this conversation in the press box so many times that I would love for the NHL.
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When they do, they're All Star Weekend, and they do the skills competition when they do the hardest shot.
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I would like them to do one round with the old school wooden sticks and another round with the graphite that they use now because I can only imagine what Bobby hold slap shot would have been with that graphite stick is the way the torque in the with these guys get now with the shot is so different than back in the day.
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Um, have you ever wanted I know that you participated in a lot of those old timers games.
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Have you ever just taken out when you've been out there? Some of the newer sticks? No.
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No, I've never like they're so light in there.
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You know what I mean? Like when? When we're playing for trauma, you had to see the M six, right? Yep.
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And they were They were straight.
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Right? But then with the sure would they were curved, right? Yes, they had a break.
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And then at that time, he only could have an inch and 1/2.
00:35:05
Gert and my car was a little bit more, and I think I got they measured your stick at that time and you get a two minute penalty.
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They used to have long claimed that they were trying to fix today.
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I I don't know.
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I don't know what they're feeling.
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If you know me, I know there's, like, the Sherwood, like, you know, you get you get it and you and your shooting from the blue line.
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Now they make a perfect pass That gonna make and they get in to get the officers, guy it with his wing, and then he gets them right in the ground.
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Then they keep shooting.
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That then like when when Bauer played going in on the short side.
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Power.
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You're going down to the minor leagues if you let one in on the short side.
00:35:48
But they always stood up, and now they're always coaching in that.
00:35:51
The game is totally different, and I think that that we used to always get together more like when we were after a game.
00:36:01
We would all get together and have a drink or I have a beer.
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You know what I mean? And after practice, Well, you know what I mean.
00:36:08
I think it's much different now than the kids.
00:36:10
They go on their own.
00:36:12
They're they're busy with Belle there, the count, their money only Jesus.
00:36:16
That's a lot of money, the count like way.
00:36:18
We never have to count that much.
00:36:20
But what one kid said to me, how much did you make a year on? And I said, uh, 7500 He said.
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It was at a day or a week.
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I said, No, it wasn't around.
00:36:32
You wouldn't be getting what you're getting now just keep quiet and the happy absolutely true.
00:36:37
One of my favorite parts of the book is the Eddie Picks and it's where you go through.
00:36:42
Ah, bunch of yo best Toughest.
00:36:45
So who's the toughest guy you played against? Well, Fergie was Dr Fergie was tough.
00:36:51
And then, you know, you've got a lot of different guys that air where were, you know, unbelievable.
00:36:58
And, like, teddy green.
00:37:00
And they're like, there was every on every team that was like a tough guy.
00:37:04
But you know what I like when they said third man in Remember that deal? Yeah.
00:37:11
Third man in is So I said, Oh, this is the best deal.
00:37:15
I I really like.
00:37:16
This man is out of the game, right? Right.
00:37:20
You know, now we goto were wearing Drano and now birdie Birdie said, I said, Bernie, you grab your partner and I'll grab mine.
00:37:30
Then there's a double came over and I said, You know, I'd rather is Andre Rishard e j as you and me Big boy.
00:37:42
Let's go! And I tried to get my hands a little bit loose.
00:37:46
The gym a shot in the head and I couldn't.
00:37:49
So I had my both hands on his shoulder side coq au bon from E my cocoa bunkum.
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And there's the blood Come down in the end.
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That **** that **** that God have you? No, Heady, you know? And then Ferguson.
00:38:02
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:03
Forget it goes sticking in your dreams.
00:38:05
You have your partner.
00:38:06
I got mine.
00:38:07
Right? So now we go to Montreal going to Montreal.
00:38:12
He's You happen again, right? Third man in is out of the game, right? I said, I always like I like my partner.
00:38:19
I like Are they always good for me? Right.
00:38:22
So now what? I'm going through the dressing room.
00:38:25
Who's there? But Morris Rocket Pretty sharp.
00:38:29
Oh, my God.
00:38:30
I'm saying what is gonna happen now? Right? I'm walking through.
00:38:35
He says, Eddie, my name's not heady.
00:38:39
Heady.
00:38:41
I looked up and said, Thank God you never heard of what? Your nose Where you would have spread my partner and to know wow, things that we've and more rocketry Sharda that I I I like Alzheimer's game.
00:38:57
And I played one game with him in New York and and more like he was a great guy, you know? And he would drink gin and g****fruit juice in the morning that he'd have a little taste in the morning.
00:39:09
A mortar? Yeah, that way two minutes are looking so their borders You do commercials like that? Well, that's interesting.
00:39:17
You mention that because your life after hockey was pretty busy as well.
00:39:20
You started many television ad campaigns following your retirement, I think is the spokesman for S O Journeys and Hotels and perhaps most famously, the pop shop 1976.
00:39:30
You began appearing on billboards and radio spots, represented the soda company and events.
00:39:35
So and you had your own chain of donut shops as well.
00:39:39
Could you ever envision all of that as well as a hit song? This is there was a book written about you and now this book as well.
00:39:47
Could you have ever have envisioned all that when your dad got you that pair of skates at age 11? Nobody like I'm just thinking that, you know, I'm so lucky that things have happened to me and I wasn't I wasn't a great I didn't have to lie.
00:40:06
I was like I did fight when I have.
00:40:10
But hockey was absolutely dynamite.
00:40:13
And after hockey that I met so many of the guys after hockey that, you know, like like John Ferguson, him and I did commercial he had the prostate cancer and I had to do, and we did commercials together.
00:40:27
So all these things that we've done, you and I and I said, do commercials.
00:40:33
I haven't done any commercials for a while, but I said, wouldn't it? With prostate cancer, I said, Wouldn't that be something? Me with a cowboy hat on and cowboy boots and and the diaper? You know, I got a nose for value, right? Things that I done again, commercials were done.
00:40:55
They would.
00:40:56
They would not.
00:40:57
They would write out the 1st 1 They there's no practice runs with them because I like the one I did with the rough and ready garbage bags.
00:41:05
I kicked it and then I went, Ah hoo! And then, is that the one? They say you never know which one they're gonna take our What's gonna happen, Eddie, thank you so much for your time.
00:41:18
It's a great book available on Amazon and where books are sold all over the place.
00:41:22
I also want to touch base with you because I'm doing a book on Ranger first.
00:41:26
I definitely want to talk to you about some of you remain memorable Ranger games.
00:41:30
What We really appreciate your time tonight and more importantly, the, you know, hundreds of games and entertainment you gave NHL fans for many, many years.
00:41:40
My son is in lives in Brooklyn, New York, and his name is Jimmy.
00:41:44
I just want a payload of Simeon, and he's doing after a thank you, right? Shout out to Jimmy.
00:41:50
I write any thanks So much for the legendary Eddie Shack, four times Stanley Cup champ, a great book that the photos in the book are amazing.
00:41:58
It's also interesting.
00:41:59
He wore Number 23 the reason why I wore Number 23 is backwards.
00:42:04
It looks like his initials and which is pretty cool.
00:42:07
So it's on the map shack and it looked like e a backwards.
00:42:12
All right, we're gonna take a quick break on the other side.
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We're gonna talk more hockey.
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00:44:27
We just finished talking with the man that was one of the most entertaining hockey players from 1959 to 1975.
00:44:34
So we'll follow it up with one of the most entertaining.
00:44:36
Ah, NHL reporters.
00:44:39
Russ Cone.
00:44:40
So how you doing, Russ? Good mark area.
00:44:42
Pretty good.
00:44:43
All right, so a J is beaming Ajax.
00:44:44
I'm not going.
00:44:45
Oh, I watched 1/3 period.
00:44:48
The hour I accessed the man watch Rocky, lest I watched the third period.
00:44:53
I love the game comeback deficit, and what they have going on there is pretty amazing.
00:44:59
It's a fun time to be an Islander fan. Absolutely.
00:45:02
And we've spoken this, you know, because It just keeps rolling on.
00:45:05
And you were actually at the game and in the locker room.
00:45:07
What's the sense you get from that team? And how much is this confidence helping them to build on this and keep the momentum going? Much like what we saw with the Hurricanes last year, You know, it kind of takes on a life of its own.
00:45:23
Once you start getting on a roll like this, yeah, I mean, first thing you take out is, Is that map ours? Ours really like a complete hockey player.
00:45:32
Now they have taught him the complete game.
00:45:34
He may not score as much as he didn't that 85 point season, but he's still a burgeoning stars.
00:45:41
So that's that's the first thing that you see which they desperately need.
00:45:45
You know, Anders Lee still really good.
00:45:47
Brock Nelson, still very effective.
00:45:49
You might say they need some scoring.
00:45:51
I still agree with that, but they have a confidence there.
00:45:55
That right now is hard to beat and even down three going into the third period after the game I spoke with Cal, Clutterbuck is I know he always shoots straight and he felt like even though the Flyer scored on one shot, the only shot they had in the second period that they really want the period.
00:46:14
And, you know, I understand what he was saying.
00:46:17
And I didn't actually think about that at the time because I wasn't, I guess focused in on that.
00:46:24
But they were, and they knew that they would come out and have a really good chance to win the game.
00:46:29
If you come out of a game, you know, into 1/3 period down three goals and you think you can win, you're gonna win a lot again.
00:46:36
Yeah, and you know, you have to take your hat off to Barry Trotz, ese.
00:46:39
He is a very, very good coach.
00:46:41
He's got them all bought into a system, and they played the system to perfection.
00:46:45
And it works.
00:46:46
There's no question again, you've said it all along.
00:46:48
Remains to be seen.
00:46:50
Come playoff time.
00:46:51
If it's going to be enough, it's that lack of, you know, to me, the takeaway.
00:46:55
You look at what happened.
00:46:56
You bring in a competent general manager and a cop in Koshien.
00:46:59
Look what isn't happening with the other sports in New York would say, one of the teams the place at Madison Square Garden.
00:47:06
We don't want to be confident.
00:47:07
I mean, remember, oh is one of the best ever at his job.
00:47:12
Barry Truck is one of the best in the game at his job in the screen.
00:47:16
One before we coach is the best in the game.
00:47:18
So not often you get a chance to put that kind of staff together. Absolutely.
00:47:23
All right.
00:47:24
Very, very interesting article and United touched on this last week by Liar Brooks in today's paper about sure, Serkin.
00:47:32
And you know the fact that you have about eight more games left before the ability to send Jordan Gordeyev down without passing waivers.
00:47:42
That window closes in eight games.
00:47:44
So looking at the schedule, Larry kind of said that this is the time to bring up Igor.
00:47:49
And you know, he's done everything they've asked of him in the h l.
00:47:52
Um, they could use a boost where ah goalie could get on a roll.
00:47:56
You agree with the time is now to bring him up? I do.
00:48:00
I would prefer they trade Georg you before they bring up Chester can.
00:48:05
And I think that because His value is very high right now.
00:48:09
You put it hard for him.
00:48:10
If he doesn't have a couple of games, they might talk you down.
00:48:13
Value wise come to deadline.
00:48:15
But otherwise I agree.
00:48:17
I mean, there is no reason to hold that kid right now.
00:48:20
And Hartford, uh, with long quest.
00:48:24
You know, as an example, I don't think David Quinn kind of gets him.
00:48:28
He brought him into that game with the day down for nothing.
00:48:30
With the defense doing nothing, and flung Chris was not gonna be ableto stop it and turn it around at the age of 37.
00:48:38
To me, that was just dumb.
00:48:39
So they probably do need assess Jerkins to get in there now to really start running the position that the NHL level for the eventual takeover of Henrik Lundquist.
00:48:50
Job me. Ask you a question.
00:48:53
Does George ing Lius Anderson get u P R V and a number one draft a first round draft pick commitment mother, First round or not? In this draft, it's too deep.
00:49:04
But it could get, you know, pull the RV and may be a first for the next year's draft.
00:49:11
That's possible, but I don't think they'll ever give you a first from this year's.
00:49:14
Even a first from next year, you pull the trigger on that.
00:49:16
Trade our dirt.
00:49:17
Yeah, I would, too.
00:49:18
And I think that's realistic for both teams. Needs as well.
00:49:21
Yep.
00:49:22
All right, Russ, we appreciate we'll see you next week.
00:49:25
Russ Cone here, each and every week.
00:49:26
More hockey agent.
00:49:27
I may have no choice, given the way the Knicks have been playing with.
00:49:33
I didn't have the next dude.
00:49:34
I didn't know they were still playing.
00:49:36
Okay.
00:49:37
All right. No. And rust, by the way.
00:49:39
We got we lost dress.
00:49:40
I want to let you know that there is going to be a Twinkies, serial Russians all over that.
00:49:46
All right, so we bring in from the ice, we move over to the hardwood, and we bring in the time Cone town.
00:49:52
I'm Talbert from school, and I just tapped not spoken to it for a while.
00:49:58
So a j you what? But the thing is, I actually watched him vegetable.
00:50:02
I want this.
00:50:03
How badly Cape he was gonna get boot.
00:50:04
I kind of enjoyed that.
00:50:05
But they said the questions.
00:50:07
Let's put the knicks aside.
00:50:08
for a second, I think leads.
00:50:10
The story of the day is mellow s oh, so mellow Ends up in Portland for me is like Niagara Falls.
00:50:18
Well, no Foley, except he's the story.
00:50:22
So what do you What do you make of this clamp mellow the police.
00:50:25
I mean, I think that firstly, I think time, Jonas, I might start using that, and yeah, I just, um I remember report having done that bit, let's get J.
00:50:38
R.
00:50:39
Smith back on the, um look, I think Melo I can't imagine.
00:50:45
And obviously, I I don't talk to the guy.
00:50:47
I don't have any input into, um, into his psyche.
00:50:52
I would have to imagine that being out of league be not being not being offered a job would have humbled him.
00:50:59
The point where the fiasco in O, K. C.
00:51:02
And Houston and him not understanding who he is, what he can offer or his role at this point be a different mellow.
00:51:09
That at this point, um, he understands his role.
00:51:12
He understands what's being asked of him.
00:51:13
And yet Carmelo Anthony can still score.
00:51:17
Oh, and he could provide some points off the bench.
00:51:19
And if he's embraced that role and he understands who he is, That's what.
00:51:22
Okay, See? Was looking for us that Houston was looking for.
00:51:24
That's a great piece, that the main ad Can he run with these guys? He never could.
00:51:30
He's 1/2 court player.
00:51:31
I can't imagine gonna hurt put on that much.
00:51:33
And honestly, if he does, there's no reason to keep him.
00:51:36
Um, Portland is a team of competing and start a very competitive West.
00:51:41
Their nucleus obviously centered around Damian Lillard, TJ.
00:51:45
They've got a nice young core there to get them at it.
00:51:49
Veteran leadership, somebody who's been in a playoff, somebody who could score off the bench.
00:51:52
It's not gonna hurt him.
00:51:53
The coach isn't gonna let him.
00:51:54
The GM certainly isn't going to either.
00:51:56
So why not? This is an all upside no riel.
00:52:01
I can't see a real negative here.
00:52:03
I can't imagine him about that happen.
00:52:05
So let's talk about a New York team, not the Knicks.
00:52:08
Let's talk about the next.
00:52:10
Kyra has hurt our things, spinning out of control in Brooklyn or is just a small blip in all things will right themselves.
00:52:16
As the season goes out.
00:52:18
Um, I think it's a little more than a small blip.
00:52:20
I think there are some real concerns there in terms.
00:52:22
The way this team is constructed at this point, I also think that it's the East soldiers.
00:52:29
It's not full panic.
00:52:30
Won't I still think Kyrie comes back? Lover, it's gonna come back at some point.
00:52:36
They're gonna do well and not still be able to make the playoffs.
00:52:40
I don't think it's full on crisis.
00:52:41
I think of this with the West.
00:52:43
Yeah, No, we you know, we'd be hitting the emergency button.
00:52:45
We start panicking and you'd be right to, um, again.
00:52:48
I never thought much of Tyree's game from the point guard position.
00:52:52
We've spoken about that ad nauseum.
00:52:55
I'm not sure all the pieces fit again.
00:52:57
Like we said, Um, this year's kind of playing with House money because I'm not gonna sell out season tickets next season.
00:53:05
This all gonna lose their fan base? This is kind of them just treading water until next year, when they're making the real run, I think they'll still be a playoff team.
00:53:13
Um, I think that there are some real issues there, but that's where this season's team in this season.
00:53:19
Like I said, that's house money.
00:53:22
So the so the Knicks will switch it back to the next.
00:53:24
They played with a chip on their shoulder against the Mavericks.
00:53:26
Is there a way that is it coaching? Is it just the players in the room, the chemistry of having them play with that chip on their shoulder in war games than just against the Dallas Mavericks? Well, I think there's a little bit of both.
00:53:37
I mean, in the game since then.
00:53:39
In the Charlotte game, they also played competitively.
00:53:41
Um, I think part of it is playing for post bail.
00:53:45
Obviously, the report on the rumors that he's on the chopping block of a female's press conference has these players playing for Koshetz, genuinely beloved and admired by his team.
00:53:55
I don't think any professional basketball player wants to be a laughing stock, and these guys are playing.
00:54:00
Most of this team are gonna be free.
00:54:03
Agents are not gonna be on the roster next season, so they're playing for the next job.
00:54:06
They're playing for pride.
00:54:07
Most guys, you've got the kids who don't certainly don't want to be losing.
00:54:11
They've never lost her life on A You're not in high school, not in college.
00:54:14
And then you got the veterans who? They certainly want no part of that.
00:54:18
They're not gonna be on the roster next season.
00:54:20
So I think I'm finding that competitiveness signing that edge.
00:54:23
I think it's gonna be there at the verge of telling deficiencies.
00:54:27
That is the plain truth.
00:54:28
They don't have a true point guard as much as they get Frank.
00:54:31
No Latino run.
00:54:32
As much as he's improved, he's not a true one.
00:54:35
I don't think anybody thinks he is.
00:54:37
L for L.
00:54:38
For Peyton, missing is not the problem.
00:54:40
Hey, Dennis Jr.
00:54:41
Even if he starts rounding into shape, he still doesn't look like the guy problem for Texas.
00:54:46
There doesn't seem to be the guy in the next draft.
00:54:48
And unless there's some kind of free agent or trade available, I'm not during answers, really on the horizon.
00:54:55
They roll, fight.
00:54:56
They have been, and I think a lot of that is for Coach Isabelle.
00:55:00
But I wouldn't give Chris stop thinking too much credit for that Dallas win.
00:55:06
I think Charlotte was a hard luck loss as well, and they're fighting okay, We appreciate Talbert not the game later.
00:55:14
Time Cone.
00:55:15
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Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.
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It's absolutely out pleasure.
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So, first of all, I want you to know that you are not alone.
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I at one time had one entire room from Florida ceiling, but with finders that have every single major cards that from 1966 to about 2013 as well as many minor sets.
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And I wrote a book about fathers and sons in baseball, so there are a lot of parallels here.
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So first off, tell us what impact your late father, Dwayne Clarke Jones, head on you and your baseball collection card collection, you know? Gosh, I love that You said his name on air here.
01:02:09
That was great that I never had that question before And, uh, my, uh, my dad.
01:02:15
Just a wonderful man.
01:02:17
A wonderful, wonderful man.
01:02:18
Yeah, he helped a lot in my early years of collecting by being the one that actually took me to my favorite baseball card shop, the Bolton and Fries.
01:02:27
No, I was growing up.
01:02:29
Um, actually talked to my mom about this year's layer about what his thoughts on baseball baseball cards already said.
01:02:35
Well, Tanner is, she said there, honestly, he really didn't like baseball baseball cards until you got into it.
01:02:41
It was really come away for him.
01:02:42
Teoh be with you and have something to do with you.
01:02:46
So yeah, I really appreciate it.
01:02:47
I love that story.
01:02:48
No, Another parallel in our book in your book is A J.
01:02:52
And I talk about a Met fantasy camper, Shane McDonald, who comes from just Saskatchewan, and he bought his first baseball card pack, and before he opened it, he committed to whatever player was on the top of that pack.
01:03:05
He was going to be a fan of that team.
01:03:08
It was 1970 he pulled a Jerry Koosman, and he committed to be a life long met fan who every two years, you know, journeys down to Mets fantasy camp.
01:03:17
Spends $5000 to put on the Met uniform.
01:03:20
You get a Jose Conseco card in the first pack that you ever got, and we'll talk about that a little bit.
01:03:27
But out of that pack, you also had your first baseball trade proposal is Well, tell us a little bit about that.
01:03:35
Yes.
01:03:36
So we were, uh, visiting some family friends.
01:03:39
I somewhere in California.
01:03:41
I don't know exactly what city it was, but you know that the son of the family said any dad, I want to go to baseball card shop, and, uh, okay, let's go.
01:03:51
So we all went and I didn't know anything about baseball baseball cards back then, like, Okay, I want to go.
01:03:56
So he gets, uh, a little strange, uh, wax rapper covered thing at cards, and I had never seen anything like this before.
01:04:05
It was like, Hey, Mom, you can't get one too.
01:04:08
Okay, Sure.
01:04:09
So they dropped down the 45 cents or whatever it is, and here me and Charlie are the ones opening these two packs of 87 tops baseball cards and, uh, yeah, so he pulls the National League rookie of the year, Todd Well, and he was excited about it.
01:04:25
Had a gold rookie cup logo and in the bottom corner.
01:04:29
So, you know, I'm happy for him.
01:04:31
But I got one of those two, and, uh, the guy that I got was a rookie of the year, Jose Conseco.
01:04:37
Uh, Charlie, for some reason, was as excited as he was over that Todd Worrell card.
01:04:43
He was, like, way more excited in the kitchen with the Conseco card. I fold.
01:04:47
Oh, man.
01:04:48
Hey, we should trade.
01:04:49
We should trade.
01:04:50
I don't know.
01:04:52
I'm not really sure I don't know anything about either of these guys, but, you know, you seem way too excited about my cards.
01:04:57
I think I'll probably keep her for now.
01:05:00
Amazing way before Facebook groups or Twitter or Instagram, there was Prodigy and CompuServe and other online service is Can you fill our audience in how you use Prodigy to make trades and how one bad experience that still bothers you? Let's just these days later concerning Satchel Paige, let's just stop for one second and describe product if people remember it.
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It was basically the Internet without graphics.
01:05:24
Yeah, that's so let me tell you something.
01:05:26
Um, That's pretty amazing that you bring that up the first, while I am I still in line here.
01:05:31
You're Yes. OK.
01:05:33
I just wanna make sure that you know you still hear me.
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But, man, Prodigy was like my life back in the late eighties, early nineties.
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So I remember sitting in front of this glorious machine called the Computers the 1st 1 we ever had and just growing that orange text, you know, and I loved it.
01:05:51
And so we would die, Elin, and you share all the pops and hisses and everything of the modem, and nobody could use the phone for, you know, however long you're on.
01:06:01
And and so there were these little, uh I guess you could call in chat rooms, and so we would buy and sell and trade.
01:06:08
Now, we're not supposed to buy and sell on these on these groups here.
01:06:12
We're only supposed to be trading.
01:06:14
So we thought were so clever.
01:06:17
We would actually add a little secret code that let's say we wanted in 1987 were Will Clark.
01:06:24
We would be willing to trade for H G W.
01:06:28
R sees, which stood for George Washington rookie cards.
01:06:31
So eight bucks for that will court on.
01:06:34
And I'll tell you that it was a great thing because it actually kind of jump started me into.
01:06:39
Actually being somebody that could buy and sell baseball cards is first thing online as well.
01:06:45
I mean, I mean airport 20 online.
01:06:47
It's nothing like the Internet nowadays or anything like that at all.
01:06:50
But it was a blast, and I remember on our wedge every single day I have, like a lion of packages going out and a bunch of them coming in.
01:07:01
So the Mel Day back then when I was 9 10 11 years old was just as exciting.
01:07:05
Uh, has been for the last several years.
01:07:08
Uh, and you know, kind of answer the other question about what happened with Satchel Paige.
01:07:13
I had this 1982 and we'll tell you all something right away.
01:07:18
If you remember the early nineties, this is like this is like the time to be a baseball card collection, right? So when you have a 1982 Don Rhys complete set with Cal Ripken Jr rookie card in there, it's something.
01:07:32
And so I thought I was just a high roller here.
01:07:35
I found out somebody that wanted Thio trade me a 1953 top Satchel Paige.
01:07:40
And I think there's something else I don't remember.
01:07:43
Uh, what? It was offhand.
01:07:44
Uh, but yeah, we did the trade online, and I got the cards in turn there from 1991 tops archives.
01:07:52
Instead, I knew that the size was off and I knew that was glossy.
01:07:56
You shouldn't be like that for the original 50 trees.
01:07:59
I was I was I was just absolutely heartbroken.
01:08:03
You drift away from the hobby at age 14 as many of us do.
01:08:07
You girls come into the play and things like that, but you get back to it due to an act of nature, an act of God.
01:08:13
Hurricane Rita, which brought you back to the hobby.
01:08:16
Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah.
01:08:19
So, uh, it's probably about 2005 or so.
01:08:23
I think the electricity was out, and it's like, What do you do when you don't have electricity or Internet, You know, I mean, like, you just, like, sit there like a knucklehead.
01:08:33
I mean, what happens? What do you do? So I was like, Well, I guess I'll go up into my office into the closet.
01:08:38
I saw my Jose Conseco baseball card collection from when I was a child.
01:08:43
I pulled him out and I go, Oh, hey, I remember bringing him downstairs.
01:08:47
Put him all over, Table on going.
01:08:49
This is possum.
01:08:50
I remember this $1980 19 8 I'm clear.
01:08:54
1987 thoughts.
01:08:55
There's the rookie Cup card, and I was just so excited.
01:08:58
And so my mother in law and sister in law come in.
01:09:01
And so they see this grown man sitting here in front of like this table full of the small cars.
01:09:07
Not just baseball cards, but baseball cards of one baseball player and the my sister in law.
01:09:12
Looks at them looks because wow, man, crush much.
01:09:17
I felt kind of ashamed a little bit like, you know, she had me tag.
01:09:21
That's that's pretty much what it was.
01:09:23
You know, it's interesting because the second half of the book is dedicated to how you establish your truly monumental Jose Conseco collection, which includes the rarest of the slugger's baseball cards.
01:09:34
For me, um, when they kept on adding the chase cards is kind of what I lost it for May because it almost made it truly impossible to complete, You know, complete sets of any individual year.
01:09:47
But you love the chase for all things Conseco.
01:09:50
So saying that what is the holy grail of all Jose Conseco cars? Man, you know, it's kind of difficult to say nowadays just because there's been such a glut of new cards.
01:10:04
I mean, there's one of ones that produced, like daily it seems like So I would say, probably for me, they're like, First of all, I love inserts and payrolls from the nineties like That's just that's the place to be.
01:10:18
I think you know it's where's cards go.
01:10:19
So I would say probably one would be the 1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold.
01:10:26
It's a print run of 30 and ah, it's a gorgeous card.
01:10:30
I've only seen one for sale ever.
01:10:32
There's others.
01:10:33
Obviously, there's tons of one of one's out there.
01:10:35
I when I have my entire collection, I had over 201 of one, you know, But I would have probably given up any of those hurt me for the nice Ex lecture.
01:10:44
Five year gold for me.
01:10:46
I think the ultimate would be the Jose Conseco celebrity boxing card because it was actually Ozzy.
01:10:52
Conseco showed up, but I don't think they have that card.
01:10:55
But A J had a question, a question.
01:10:57
He was looking at the value of a single person's card collection.
01:11:02
How does that value get changed up and down.
01:11:06
But what happens to that person in the news? When the disclosures came out with the old in with the Jews with them when the book came out, when the Christians how did the value of Canseco carts riser full baseball was happening to him in his life with other things? Yeah, that's actually a very, very good question that happened.
01:11:23
Like his, uh, his books Female, I think around 2000 for So, um and to be honest with yet, I think we really get hardcore insecure Saeko collecting as an adult.
01:11:35
So probably about 2013 or 14.
01:11:37
Um, now, I do have, uh, say also, which is kind of interesting to me is, uh, whenever I first started, it was almost like, you know, have a black balled Jose from baseball.
01:11:49
Well, it seems like they also blackballed him from baseball cards because from 2007 to 2013 there's like almost nothing out there is for his car because there's a few weeks cars and everything but tops doesn't have anything.
01:12:03
And, like the 2014 is really when they start ramping up everything again, you know, there is now, you know, like I mentioned I had a tremendous collection.
01:12:13
When I moved, I kept, you know, sold everything with the exception of for some reason when I was nine years old.
01:12:19
That 1969 cops said, held special meaning to me.
01:12:22
So I held on to that in the 1970.
01:12:24
Kellogg's three D set is basically, you know what I've held onto.
01:12:28
I've also picked up a couple of the heritage sets, so but A.
01:12:31
J and I still, every year when baseball our season ramps up, we stopped at the 7 11 right down the block.
01:12:38
Here we pick up and and we open a couple of packs on the air and we give Rand Gunn.
01:12:43
You're exactly you know he's broken a few teeth on it, but for someone who still loves the hobby.
01:12:48
Especially now with all the different, you know, online communities and tops back.
01:12:53
What would you suggest for me to rekindle my love for collecting? What would you suggest I do? What would be something I should get into at this point? So my first suggestion would be for you to actually sit down and really think about that collection that you had in the past and make a list of the cars that you wish you had not sold.
01:13:13
Uh, it's not necessarily right, right? Yes, it's not necessarily all about the new cars.
01:13:21
Obviously, I think we have such a rich history of baseball cards that we can choose from over the past several decades and you know, you really past century and 1/2.
01:13:31
So let's say, for example, you kept at 69 top set in this kind of all kind try a retro fitness for everybody else is listening as well.
01:13:39
But you know, my thing is like, if you if you say well, I really like that At 71 top said Also, the black borders were beautiful.
01:13:47
Man, why I sell that? So maybe you think OK, well, Let's go after the 70 ones instead.
01:13:52
Auras well or, you know, I only went back to 66.
01:13:55
What about the 57 tops? Oh, that's it.
01:13:58
That's a beautiful set is Well, so let's let's go for that.
01:14:01
So I think it's really important to be intentional.
01:14:03
A ce faras what you collect.
01:14:05
Because if you don't, you're just gonna continue getting packed in boxes in cases and, uh, hit something every now and then, but not really can't be meaningful.
01:14:13
True, My wife, you know, she knows how much I love it when every garage sale she picks up these huge 500 you know, count boxes of the wax pack junk stuff, but it's no fun going through an open.
01:14:24
You're gonna find something, but, um, I love the book, and it was definitely something that had meaning for me.
01:14:31
Where's the best place for people to pick up this amazing new book and keep up with you on social media as well? Yes.
01:14:38
So the book could be picked up on Amazon, uh, and Scot free shipping for Amazon Plain folks, I would like to also come out with the audio version of it pretty soon We'll see you whenever I get time to do that.
01:14:49
Er and er you know, socially you can hit me up at, Ah Tan Man BB san on Twitter and that email tam and baseball fans.
01:14:57
You know what calm and my website came in. Baseball fan dot com.
01:15:00
Awesome that the one thing I have got into because you mentioned that the look of those cards the 69 70 71.
01:15:06
I do love that the tops heritage when they use those designs with the new players that that I enjoy a lot, especially some of the inserts.
01:15:14
But that's what killed me.
01:15:15
The inserts where you couldn't collect what officially I would consider the complete set is they just kept on, adding and adding and adding, and before you know, turned around.
01:15:25
It was like 1100 cards for 19 No.
01:15:28
2017 set.
01:15:31
Yeah, I completely understand.
01:15:33
And I think that that's why it's really, really important for us to impose on limits on the sets, even if But you say, for instance, like the 2019 Heritage, instead of going for the variations in the S, P S and the SS peas and the other parallels and stuff.
01:15:48
It's it's like a legitimate basis version.
01:15:51
I think it's just a wonderful idea to try collect as well.
01:15:54
Yeah, I think that that's you booked me on it because as I'm reading the book, I said, I gotta get back into collecting something And it's a great great read.
01:16:02
So thank you so much it reading the book gives you the feeling of opening up a wax packet and getting cards.
01:16:07
So it was great.
01:16:09
Great. We really enjoyed having you on tonight. Tanner.
01:16:11
Well, thank you for allowing me to come on.
01:16:13
It's been good talking to you.
01:16:14
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When were you last week? Mark? I knew you were gonna be back.
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That will always be good.
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Other sports, they said, can help keep you help stave off the onset of dementia.
01:19:05
You know, I don't know the veracity of this study.
01:19:08
A how many people play badminton while they wait.
01:19:12
They had 20 year at least with a study.
01:19:14
How many? 20.
01:19:15
They took a test group of 20 study brain function Happen to other sports.
01:19:20
20 people from what are their ages.
01:19:23
I don't know.
01:19:24
Doesn't say here when I have here, but they think it was a university in Japan.
01:19:28
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Yeah, right.
01:21:38
What was that? It was.
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So it's like you just saw 53 guys.
01:21:42
What about 53 on the other? And then the coaches are wearing the military's the flutes of service Day, so they kind of stood out, but they looked where they looked like somebody that was going to take your order for Frank.
01:21:53
Let's actually have serious right? So let's start with Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph.
01:21:58
You know, a lot of people are saying that, you know, Listen what Miles Garrett did, there's no excuse for that is so incredibly ugly.
01:22:07
If you haven't seen it, look at no, no, look, it's just it's one of the most disgusting displays in any professional sport that I've seen in all my years.
01:22:17
So break that down.
01:22:18
And do you think that the suspension is, you know? Is it enough? Even? Yeah, I think he's going to be done for the year on then in the office, I think maybe home miss two games, thanks to a tutor for bounty it much longer than that.
01:22:33
You know, it's kind of funny.
01:22:34
Mark, you and I being big hockey guys.
01:22:36
Branches in the lighting have been going at it two games this year.
01:22:39
And in all those scrums, you don't see anybody.
01:22:42
We're gonna stick at anybody nor filling in a helmet at anybody.
01:22:46
Just a black eye for the NFL.
01:22:48
Mason Rudolph Definitely on a guy that you know without fault here.
01:22:51
But no excuse.
01:22:53
No excuse to use a helmet as a weapon like that.
01:22:55
You put you put that in the category of the wonderful John Roseboro.
01:22:59
Oh yeah, that that that's the first thing I thought of you and Marty McSorley.
01:23:04
Yeah, those the hit on Dominic's brother Steve Maura's Well, that's what those some of that minor league baseball game or things that the batter turns and kicks the catcher used the question.
01:23:18
Can Myles Garrett rebuilding himself rebuilt a symbol? What does he have to do to rebuild his image? The biggest thing is to do other than that, what he was doing, being a defensive player of the year candidate.
01:23:31
That's the thing in the NFL looking to give you a leeway as egregious.
01:23:35
We've seen Bridges, counties all the time, but you can play.
01:23:38
You're going to get an opportunity again.
01:23:40
You can't repeat the guy number one overall pick built like a Greek god, and I guess that he's on the short list for a defensive player of the year.
01:23:47
So if he can get back to playing at that level, we're gonna think more about that than what happened just a couple days ago against Pittsburgh.
01:23:54
It's funny you say that because if you can play on, you do something previous on the field during the game, they let you back in the league but trying out a rotating image, you know, smiling during the national anthem.
01:24:11
Was this a dog and pony show? Do you think this was legit? Do you think that this was just the NFL saying, Well, look, we gave you.
01:24:17
Try no you want.
01:24:18
And what is the meaning behind him? Moving? This is the location of the tryout.
01:24:23
One of his choosing.
01:24:25
I wish during this whole process, like there'd be something where it was like it's right around there.
01:24:30
Used to be so much gray area.
01:24:32
I think both sides have probably at fault here.
01:24:34
I mean, he was a crude, too.
01:24:35
Can take T shirt, too.
01:24:37
I mean, guys, that's not really the best message.
01:24:39
At the end of the day, I know he's trying to make a point here, but it is a job interview.
01:24:43
So you you kind of have to be good to the boss and said, It's kind of like you or me this I don't know.
01:24:49
It just I understand what he was trying to dio.
01:24:52
I thought there was some good media attention that those kind of wonky with the NFL did.
01:24:55
But I don't know this.
01:24:57
I don't think that's brought resolution.
01:24:59
Anything up.
01:25:00
I agree with you.
01:25:01
So you're feeling well, Anybody sign him in the next two weeks? Well, this just continue on going the next season and see what happens in the off season.
01:25:09
This, you, anybody, anybody bites it from signing.
01:25:13
We have a better chance, in my opinion, the off season.
01:25:15
I don't know if anybody wants to bring that surface to their team.
01:25:19
I mean, you want to minimize distractions this time of year, You want to make sure everybody's on the same page.
01:25:24
You want to eliminate all that outside stuff.
01:25:26
If he's not gonna come in and play for somebody right away, why it's not worth it.
01:25:30
Was anyone in dire need of a quarterback is basically looking.
01:25:34
What happened? Piccoli.
01:25:35
Today you've got all the backup pull, these backup quarterbacks playing.
01:25:38
You got people putting in, hardly chatted rookies and not so tattered rookies because there's a guy who has been played in three years.
01:25:44
You know, I think there would have been a bigger chance of him being in the league had he spent one season playing in the CFL.
01:25:51
No, continue playing competitive ball when you're different.
01:25:55
While Arenas not safe, it's nothing CFL going against.
01:25:58
There is much different, do you? What was the reason? I don't know if you know J behind moving the tryout.
01:26:04
I just thought that that was a weird image.
01:26:05
Tohave the NFL invite everyone toe one place and then hours before changing from what I was hearing, news that it was a lack of transparency as far as recording the workouts and when they couldn't agree to terms on that happening, said, Hey, we'll go to a high school about an hour away And whoever you know, they didn't want in Copper next month, the NFL to control the narrative.
01:26:26
So on Lee showing to process any overthrows receivers or something to that effect.
01:26:31
So that's why Kaepernick decided to move it.
01:26:35
It doesn't, you know it's not a good situation, because now it's like, Well, why don't the NFL starter home business eyes in this So open, so greedy on pump? It didn't seem like again there was any resolutions right there.
01:26:48
We got 30 seconds Quick question for you the last two weeks.
01:26:51
Is it because Jets played? It's inferior competition? Or is it? The fact that their quarterback might finally be over? The effects of mononucleosis say is look so good these last two weeks.
01:27:02
I think it's a little bit of both sides of the fence here, but I like stand on.
01:27:07
I like your body language.
01:27:08
I like the approaches he takes to the game.
01:27:10
And, hey, Jamal Adams.
01:27:12
I guess we got to start doing what you're more like, a dozen.
01:27:14
There's Nora boss for a little while and then come out like you planned.
01:27:18
I think the combination with those two guys to play makers on both sides doing their thing James and crowded with that touchdown catch.
01:27:24
I think it's some positive signs going forward for the Jets, for sure.
01:27:28
Getting some great play out of the tight ends as well.
01:27:30
All right, Jay.
01:27:31
We appreciate it.
01:27:32
Jane Retro here each and I broke with you.
01:27:33
Just escape l i dot com And, you know, maybe next week we'll let Rick do it.
01:27:38
Just keep on the passenger around.
01:27:40
You know, I am a graduate of the Connecticut School of Broadcasting.
01:27:43
You're also remember, all right, we'll see everyone next week.
01:27:47
We appreciate you hanging with us, and we hope the Have you tune in again next week? If ah, you enjoyed the show so hope to see you next week Have a good one, everybody

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