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Good morning, everybody.
It is Thursday, November the 14th 2019.
That's right, folks.
I am getting so much better at name in the days and then being a accountable for knowing what day it actually is.
And of course you know me. I am your host.
I am Ian Glendon.
I am joined on the phone, as always by Mr Mike Debate Mike, how we doing today? Uh low, huh? You know, it is amazing, you know? I mean, I I know I said last week I was so good about, you know, picking the bye week Thio feel under the weather and get back Thio the basics.
But, uh yes, there's been a little tough to shake and I know the weather up here in New England is definitely not helping, But I am here and I assure you folks, we will get our video situation fixed.
My good friend on the other end of the microphone, Mr Rien Glendon has been extremely patient with me.
Very, very good.
And you can always always see his beautiful face every single morning.
I promise you that if you'll get a lot worse than a couple of days when I'm feeling better and I can join him on the other side of that split screen.
But in any case, my pleasure to be here with you this morning.
Always a pleasure to share the microphone with your buddy.
Ah, let's Let's get to it.
Uh, those were those were incredibly kind words that he was obligated under contract to say So you don't You don't send those to me last night under duress.
Oh, wait, That's right.
You're not on camera, so people can't see if you're you're under duress.
It's okay. But that's right.
That's one of the big reasons why I'm on camera.
I'm usually under duress.
When I usually said the stuff that I said Exactly.
Look, we're excited.
I've just had a whole bunch of coffee.
I'm wired right now.
I fell asleep at 10.
Yeah, it was extremely early for Mr Glendon.
Let me tell you.
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's been it's been a struggle trying to ah, to to find the right time.
I find the right times.
Ah, frame when I can go to bed All this fun stuff because, you know, sleep is sleep is important.
Um, and and I like to think that I do get a decent amount of sleep, but not enough.
Um, problem was I, uh so yesterday.
And if anyone saw on Twitter last night, yesterday I had had my debit card number taken.
So I had some money charge to my account, which Okay, that sucks.
But to me, I looked at this as a perfect opportunity to use the Alonzo mourning me because we know it's it's a terrible situation.
You have to go through the bank.
Kept away to the process, will file all the fraud charges, all that stuff, you know, a few 100 bucks.
You know, it's not a big deal.
You know, they'll they'll take care of it.
It's more or less the convene inconvenience of not having the card or having to do, you know, extra work.
Thio change different, Uh, saved information that you have all that all that down said so.
But the one silver lining in all this And it's funny because I just brought this up to someone recently, uh, the only time I ever cancel all those useless subscriptions that I've signed up for over the years is if I lose my card, I need to get a new one.
So guess what? I'm just freed myself.
Of all those dumb subscriptions, I don't even pay attention to all those look like stupid like, Oh, here's 9 99 a month for this.
We're here 6 99 for that? No, none of it.
It's all gone now.
I can go through and refocus and ah, um, you know it choose to spend my money poorly again in the future.
But at least this time I'm starting with a fresh start.
So silver lining things? Absolutely.
You know, it's always good to get a clean slate with stuff like that.
That actually happened to me a couple of months ago.
I was ready to make a purchase that was at a store in Rhode Island and simultaneously just three seconds earlier.
Believe it or not, you want to talk about timing.
Three seconds earlier, someone tried to use my card in northern Massachusetts, and obviously I couldn't be in two places at once and credit the people at the bank that that I do.
What? They were absolutely phenomenal.
They had it right away.
Shut the card off.
I never actually lost any.
They blocked the charge, and it was It was very It was very, very good that that had happened.
They could see the pattern of where I was during the day when I did Ah, you know, a couple of card swipes.
And in between they noticed that there was a card swipe in in northern Massachusetts and they realized that the time frame just wasn't conducive to me being able to drive up there and then use it again.
So they shut it off.
They blocked that charge, and I never had a problem.
The only inconvenience that I had as I had to wait a couple of days to get a new card, but that was it.
That was really, really It's so uh, yeah, I feel your pain, my friend.
It's not It's not fun, but it could have been worse.
And it sounds like you're looking at it with with us with the solar lining, so that's always good.
What can I say? And to those folks that are watching on sports gets.
I did realize, even though I boasted that I was right on top of my days and all that, I forgot to change the date on the top of the screen.
So it still says Wednesday, November 13th when in fact, it really is Thursday.
I'm checking my watch right now, and that's actually it's not.
This is ground Hog Day, folks.
You are caught in that tailspin.
Bill Murray's gonna come popping up any minute.
Ah, it's It's just it's the same day over and over and over again.
And, of course, every New England.
We've been living the same day for the last.
Oh, I don't know what 15 years since the Spy Gate story came out.
That's like ground hog day.
And you get a whole lot of idiots that just keep pushing this narrative.
And no one has any clue what actually happened in spy Gate.
Well, you know, whatever.
You know, I'm I'm glad.
And I'm ah, you know, I'm disappointed that you brought it up disappointed because I was trying to you and I shouldn't have mentioned it yesterday, and I mentioned it yesterday, Uh, just kind of off. And I was like, Oh, great.
We're gonna have to dust off our ah, our battle gear for Spy Gate truthers.
And, you know, I was kind of, like half joking and by half joking.
I was, like, maybe like, 10% joking because in reality, I realized, OK, this this is probably actually gonna happen.
So today, this morning, you know, the very, very little work I did to prepare for the show.
I did come across.
I did come across a tweet or a story from s I now comparing the two comparing and contrasting except my issue and God.
And I hate this because it's it's 2019.
That's almost 2020.
And we're still correcting people over this over simple, simple, simple facts.
And my big issue with this Michael Rosenberg story from S.
I now was first of all, that he was comparing the two acts.
He alludes to, uh, people accusing the patriots of of taping the walk through the Rams.
He mentions that, uh, I think the quote was players have their su****ions but were never able to prove anything.
And he completely fails to mention that not only the publication that originally published that accusation retracted it in the fact that every indication, except for the salty hate from, you know, guys like Marshall folk have indicated that this never happened.
So to me, I think that's incredibly irresponsible.
I think it's incredibly irresponsible to draw comparisons between the two.
Considering in baseball.
In this situation, a team was literally relaying in real time the signs that were coming in to tell the players and and compared to what the Patriots were doing, which were which again, the, uh, taping signals is still to this day, not illegal.
So to even make that comparison between the two kind of zaps your credibility when talking about this situation.
So in the Patriots situation, they were taping it from a, uh, unapproved location on the field that the NFL stated in a memo that was issued the year before.
That's the rule they broke.
It wasn't because they were taping signals.
They weren't relaying signals in real time, sending it into the linebacker to call the defense or pretending and Brady to call the offense.
Note that none of that happened.
So this whole idea that someone, especially that you know, has a reputation as a writer with a you know, a reputable publication like s I We'll go out and write these things.
It just drives me absolutely.
Bat blank crazy because it's it's absurd.
It's absurd that we have to sit here and, you know, beat down these these these dopes about simple, simple facts.
I mean, I mean, this is an opinion.
This isn't us being, um, objective or subjective.
This is thes air.
The facts of the case, Anything else is just your su****ions.
And most of the time, they're based on literally nothing, or they're based on other su****ions that have no bearing.
So, um, I'm getting frustrated with this, because again, I I would if you would have told me in 2007.
You know what? What a time to be alive.
I was 20 years old.
What do you know? Uh, getting ready to turn 21.
Things were things were a lot different If you were gonna tell me in September 2007 that in November of 2019 I will still be defending the **** basic facts of Spy gate to not just dopes on Twitter, but like actual paid verified blue Checkmark journalists on Twitter.
It's It's absurd.
It's absolutely no, I mean, you know, George is absolutely George is getting upset, and you should be.
You ask the question, my friend.
And where the answer.
We're sitting here talking about that article this morning, and ultimately we feed into the agenda and it's inevitable.
And it's unavoidable simply because of the fact that people are so consumed with hate for the Patriots, that aka Patriots fans.
I mean, there, there they are, the most polarizing franchise in professional sports.
It used to be the New York Yankees.
It is now the New England Patriots.
There's more hatred for the Patriots than there is for the Yankees nationwide.
I never thought I'd say that, but it's the truth and the reason for that.
That is the success that they've had in the last 20 years, and especially in football with NFL being king, You wanna watch your team every week.
People are sick and tired of seeing that red, white and blue uniform that flying Elvis silver helmet on Super Bowl Sunday.
And if they can rationalize the Patriots success by putting forth narratives that don't really have a whole lot of facts behind them, but a lot of opinion, Ah, lot of hot air and a lot of wind.
That's exactly what they're going to dio and the reason why they do it.
They can mask it in all of the, you know, professional rhetoric that they want him ask it in.
But ultimately it's still hey, go back to Vinnie Gam Beanie in my cousin Vinny when he said his card is an illusion and he flips around the card and he says, It's his thin.
Is this playing card? Those of the arguments when you take a look at things like Spy Gate and Deflate Gate there is thin is that playing card.
They have no basis on exactly what the success was for the Patriots, but people were gonna look at it and say, That's a full brick.
That's why they did it.
And it's a rallying cry again.
I said it yesterday.
Philadelphia media is having a ball this week with calling patriots, you know, cheaters, and you know, def laters and and all that.
You know you have, you know, guys on talk radio and guys that were you know, writing for Philadelphia tabloids, that they're they're having a ball with this.
And if they actually took a look at the facts of the case, they'd realize that they weren't true.
But again, it just it stems from ignorance and extends from that old adage of wanting to drink.
And we want to believe the Patriots cheated.
So anything that says they did, we're gonna latch onto, and we're gonna drink it like it's, you know, a gallon of water on a 90 degree day.
Well, And what's amazing, though, in this whole situation and general, is the fact that this is this whole topic came up again because a team in another sport that was just in there league's championship series was accused of doing something.
But yet this has turned into almost a 50 50 split your either talking about the Astros or you're talking about the Patriots of drawing some ridiculous, false ah comparisons between the two and again.
To me, it just speaks to how irresponsible it is because all you have to do is do a simple little bit of research and you'll know that.
Okay, A The walkthrough story was, there's no legit legitimacy.
Legitimacy to it.
There we go. Third time's a charm.
There's no legitimacy to it.
Uh, why would you ever put that in a story or make again if you're gonna make the suggestion of bring up the fact that you know, guys have accused the Patriots of doing that with no basis, in fact, then bring up the fact that the publication that printed the original accusation retracted it and in multiple situations, be objective.
You know, if you're gonna if you're gonna compare the two, give the full story.
Don't just shape it to Okay, Well, this sounds exactly like what the patriots do.
You know, it doesn't.
It's completely different.
It is completely different.
He even makes the suggestion in the article.
And I'm really harping on this one because this one, really, you know, got me going this morning kind of got me out of being struck a nerve.
And one of the things that he suggested in the article was that, um, in baseball, everyone is kind of doing things somewhere to this, Maybe not to this level, but in football.
No one was doing with the Patriots was during which we know to be, Ah ah, 100% fact, because not only have coaches come out and said, I mean, it's just I mean, come on, let's be real.
How do you make that suggestion that no one the Patriots doing things other teams just weren't doing that's that's foolish? And and that's That's the fact that they had the fact that the NFL had to issue that memorandum his shows, You know that all teams were doing this.
This was not something that was sent just to the Patriots folks.
It was sent to all 32 NFL teams, and all 32 NFL teams participated in this, and several teams have come out and said that they were doing the same thing.
They just weren't doing it from the location that the Patriots were doing it at.
And that's the reason why the Patriots got naps.
And again they violated the rules.
They paid the price.
Nobody's arguing that.
And nobody's saying that they shouldn't have been penalized or, you know, uh, admonished for that was the Was it a little bit, maybe too much? Yeah, I think it was.
I think it was excessive you know, and I think they did that for a reason.
But the Patriots did, you know, break the rules, and they had to be admonished for it.
The problem is the narrative that surrounded this and all the you know, they take the Rams walk through, which was a lot of smoke and mirrors, which was completely completely fabricated by a former staffer that had an ax to grind against the organization and thought he was gonna make a name for himself and throw a story out there that was gonna get him. Notoriety.
Well, I guarantee you that 95% of the people that talk about Spy Gate don't even know the guy's name.
That was actually the source in the story.
So, you know, take that.
For what? You will look at the facts and just have an objective point of view.
Try to let the fact that you ate seeing Bill Bella check and Tom Brady cradle that Lombardi trophy.
Try to wipe that, you know garbage from your eyes and try to actually look at what the facts are.
And maybe then you can have an informed in opinion.
Ah, but don't start with with all of this because it's just it's It's ridiculous and really, it's lazy journalism.
You know what scandal happens? Let's compare it to the Patriots.
That'll get some cliques.
No, that was good.
I mean, look, I I agree.
I mean, it's just it just to me.
I I understand why it's happening.
I really do, because, you know, at this point you covered and followed the Patriots for a very long time.
We understand how these things happen and how these things work.
I mean, there's there's only one team that leads the night NBC Nightly News.
When when they're accused of something, it's it's the Patriots.
It's always the Patriots.
But But you know, you, you're right.
It's It's all based on the fact that people are just sick of seeing them.
And and all these Ah, you know, quote unquote.
I hate the phrase where there's smoke, there's fire because no, because where there's smoke, there's a lot of dumb people because that's really where this has come about is there's a lot of smoke because people just don't understand the graphs, the facts of the situation, for you to look at it objectively and be like Okay? Yeah, like you said.
And we both agree.
Yeah, they got they got punished for, you know, disobeying of rule, whatever.
It wasn't, you know, huge deal.
It clearly wasn't like this big issue.
But again, people want to believe what they want to believe in.
Facts be ****ed, You know, because there's plenty of them that suggested otherwise.
But you know whom I accept Someone who follows this very, very closely.
So anyways, um, I did. I did find it interesting.
I don't know if you saw this, and I wish I would have seen it yesterday before, um, before we got on the air, But they there's a guy a believe he covers the Yankees.
Um, I don't have his twitter handle.
I'll look for, you know, try to shout it out or whatever, but he put together kind of a compilation of pitches and kind of what was going on.
And he showed very clearly that the information being relayed to the astros, where was almost Simon thing, like it was almost instant.
Ah, the sign would go down depending on what they were doing that game.
It was ah, they would either bang for a fastball or, UH, don't bang for an off off speed pitch, which would obviously give the batter an indication of what to look forward to make it a little bit easier to hit like again.
I I'm I'm I'm waiting to really make a full judgment on this situation because again, having experienced accusations, not personally but the teams that we follow and the whole situation, I do want to see the situation play out again.
I've said that and I got to stick to my guns.
You know, when it comes with Patriots, when it comes to any team, let let the investigation play out.
Let's let's find out all the information before we jump to any sort of firm conclusion.
But the video showed was was pretty, you know? Let's just say it was 1000 times more ****ing than someone being called a Dorito ****, and we know how we know how.
Ah, volatile the are how much that statement go, deflate, and I'll give you this jacket really galvanized the whole Patriots hater group.
So this video obviously shows, um, sign coming down.
You'll he'll hear a bang on whether it's a fastball or not.
And then you know, there go and and to me, that's deaths.
Taking it to another level.
And that's again another very, ah, huge distinction between the Patriots and what the what the Astros Air are accused of doing.
And, um, you know this this is Ah, it's pretty interesting.
And and I saw also another home road split.
And this is the big thing because, uh, you know, every obviously they were doing this at home.
Their home and road splits in the regular seats, and we're almost identical.
So really, the effect during the regular season was no minimal at that best.
I mean, who can really tell, especially when you have the same numbers away.
But you look at the World Series against the Dodgers and individual players.
Jose Altuve, a Alex Bregman so on and so forth had very, very distinct splits home in a way, um, where obviously the home numbers were far superior to away numbers, and that's where the big issue comes in.
Because is this is this something that's gonna help them win? Ah, 110 games in the regular season? Probably not.
I mean, if they're good they're gonna win a bunch of games and whatnot.
But in a seven game series where, you know, an inning here and inning there makes the biggest difference.
You think about the Dodgers being up 7 to 4 in game game five of the world Siris? I want to say, um and then losing that game.
Yeah, you know what I mean? And I believe if I remember correctly, that was the Kershaw game.
So there are a lot of questions that have come up with this.
And I'm very curious to see what this investigation ultimately comes down to, because, um, there's already some ****ing evidence out there just from from some Internet research.
And ah, again, this is This is far more, uh, of evidence than anything that's ever come out of Spy Gate and definitely get which again, is the is the great irony of all this is that it took people.
It took all of one day for an ex player to come out and talk about this and for all these people to find evidence that supports it.
And we're 16 years into Spy Gate end, about five years into the flight gate, and we have yet to really see any of that.
So I know I'm going on a little bit, but it just this this thing really got to me this morning when I woke up.
No, no, I can definitely imagine that.
And I definitely understand it.
And look, I know we've done a lot of Patriots ranting, but really, what it comes down to is this is about the Astros.
It's about major league baseball and how they're gonna handle this.
And I think that you absolutely were prudent and saying, We have the wait and see all the events we have to wait until all the information comes out.
It's disingenuous to the Astros to major league baseball, to their opponents, to sit there and make a judgment call on something that we don't have all the evidence on yet.
So that's first.
But it does have to play out, and this can't be something that simply just swept under the rug.
I know a few, um, ****ysts for Major League Baseball.
In a few sports, ****ysts have come out and said, Well, this is not gonna probably not gonna materialize in any things they'll never be able to definitively prove it? Well, yeah, I mean, there is.
There's video evidence of it now, So now you have to take a really sharp look and a really in depth look at what's happened, because if the Astros were doing this, folks, I don't necessarily believe they're the only team doing this.
I don't think they're the only ones that ad this epiphany that o weaken videotape and weaken Bang, for one thing, and we can be silent for another.
It's probably going on in some way, shape or form.
And honestly, it really shocks me.
That's that's things like this are not more rampant in professional sports, even college sports nowadays, because of all the technological advances that we have, it's a lot easier to do that.
I mean, you know, back in the fifties and sixties, no way you could get away with any of this stuff and they were still stealing signals.
There are still people that believe, and honestly, there's video, not video.
But there's evidence to support that.
The infamous shot heard Round the world was a tipped pitch by Ralph Branca that allowed Robby Thompson to get that home run.
So probably showing my age there.
They don't give a plugged up. Don't worry, folks.
That was not I was.
I don't even think my father was alive for that.
So I think that's it.
So I'm not that old.
But I do know my baseball history, and it's been going on for a long, as you can imagine in baseball.
But with the technological advances, it surprises me.
This is, um, or more rampant, because it's just simply a lot more a lot easier to do now.
Well, let me be clear, I think stealing signs and baseball and stealing coach's signals of football.
Um, I have zero issue with that.
That to me, it's part of the game.
It xgames friendship.
That's exactly you know when people and see, Here's the thing that happened with Spike ate.
All of a sudden, every rule broken amounts to debate here.
But, um, I don't consider in a game and a sport that every rule broken is considered cheating.
I think you know there's levels.
You know, cheating to me implies that you directly influence the outcome of a game by, um doing things out of the norm, or at least in the sense that they have a great effect again.
You know, you cheat by in the essence of what the Astros air doing again, if it is true and again, if everything is is amounted to what they've ah explained.
And it goes directly against what the MLB.
And this is the only direct comparison I would say between Spy Gate in this situation, where this rule this using technology, it not the rule itself, but just issuing a rule to emphasize how the MLB is going to act is what happened in this case where, you know, like you said, the teams are always trying to get the upper edge and trying to steal signals and sends signs.
I mean, that's why you have a second baseman sitting in their relaying signs to the batter and all that stuff.
I mean, it's just it's part of the game.
But when you go that extra link that other teams aren't doing again, I'd be president to say that a lot of teams they're sitting there with this intricate relay system that you know in real time, you know, shows you what the signal is sign is and all that stuff that to me seems like it's going a little bit over the top, but sitting there trying to pick up whatever you can.
You know whether it's again from an Apple watch a couple of years ago.
The with the Red Sox are you know what whatever just named the team, and it's like there's always a situation of them trying to steal signs.
This does seem like it's gone a little bit over the top, but again, I want to see the investigation play out.
I need to see all the facts before I sit here and and condemn them.
But, you know, as it stands right now, it doesn't look good.
And, um, I just ate that.
Unfortunately, we've had to spend 15 minutes of this 30 minute discussion on the Patriots and basic facts.
So with that said, I've changed things.
I'm changing my mood a little bit because I don't want to talk about I don't want to talk about Spy Gate more than half an hour show, so we're gonna we're gonna try to shift focus here a little bit because we do have a Thursday night football game tonight, and, uh, yes, we do.
Yes, we do Thursday, it's Ah, it's the Cleveland Browns and the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Which again? I mean, what, what a wacky season for the Steelers? Um, and we talked about it a little bit yesterday, about kind of really what great job Mike Tomlin's doing.
And if you know me and you know it, Z, it's not easy for me to say that, because I don't necessarily think Tomlin's You know, I think he's one of the top coaches in the league.
But you know, some coaches have to be Some of, you know that.
That's what I'm saying.
Like I think he's a good coach.
I just don't think he's all right.
Didn't think he was as great as some people have made him out to be.
I think he just kind of benefited from Bill Cowers team early on in his career and kind of just built a foundation from there and the fact that ah, the Rooneys just never get rid of a coach.
I mean, this is their This is their third coach in, and, uh, you know, your entire lifetime my entire lifetime, Um, our parents entire lifetime.
So, um, it just it feels like It's been like that forever.
And then on the flip side, Cleveland.
Ah, you know, he's had, like, three coaches in the last 12 months.
So, uh, you can see and and it makes sense why Cleveland, with all this talent, is at two and six in the, um, Steelers air at five and four right now, so just grew quick.
I guess you know, just your initial impressions of this.
Um, you know what? How do you see this game playing out? So I feel like this is just gonna be a bad night for Cleveland.
I don't know that I woke up this morning, and that's kind of what I felt.
Well, the thing that I'm looking at is the Pittsburgh defense and how well they've played and how big of an acquisition make a fitzpatrick out of them.
I mean, they were absolutely just, you know, ripped upside and another when they decided to trade for him because they were talking about Oh, well, you got achieved.
You have a chance to tank and you can pick up a quarterback and Ben's probably not gonna be playing anymore.
And what are you doing? You do We reckon this season, and Steelers fans were really, really upset with that.
Fitz Fitzpatrick has been so good in that defense and really has fit into the scheme that they want to play.
I mean, they've allowed 33 28 points in their 1st 2 games, respectively.
One of those was to our New England Patriots.
Both losses were without Minka Fitzpatrick, but since then, the Steelers haven't allowed more than 26 points.
And that was just once against the Baltimore Ravens, who beat the New England Patriots.
So that gives you an opportunity to see how good they've been on defense since the addition of Fitzpatrick.
I think he's really establishing himself as one of the better players in that defense and someone that could be a difference maker.
That's why I think it is going to be a long night for Cleveland tonight.
I just, you know, Cleveland is, believe it or not, they still have a chance to turn around their season.
And if they were to win this with the win against Buffalo less, it's weak.
It did give Cleveland life and probably probably extended the fact that Freddie Kitchens will at least finish the season, you know, in not in Cleveland.
And if they would pull out this win tonight, it would be huge for Cleveland, but I just don't see it happening.
I think Pittsburgh is playing too well on defense.
I think they're secondary is playing extremely well.
And I think that's going to give Baker Mayfield some confusing looks tonight, and I just don't see them being able to come out on top in this one.
So I I agree with your assessment.
I think that the Steelers will will take this.
No, I I I I'm right there with you, because again, I I really like the Steelers defense.
Um, you know, I think they're slowly approaching being one of the best units in the league.
I think there's a few that are, I think, obviously better.
But I was kind of on the fence about the trade because I thought Okay, well, you're getting a draft pick from Miami who we all assume is gonna be probably top.
I mean, at this rate, top five at the worst.
Um, because, like, the bangles are just so efficient at losing its incredible.
So I don't I don't think any teams kind of catch them in terms of getting that topic.
I think they're gonna finish with that topic.
So you're talking about a first round pick that's gonna fall somewhere in the top five.
And you have an aging quarterback who's done for the season and e questions on offense and you go out in trade for a defensive player.
So naturally, you're like, Okay, that doesn't really I mean, it makes sense because Meghan Fitzpatrick is a good player.
But, you know, you would think OK, well, maybe they used that high draft pick for a quarterback.
Well, clearly, they had no indication of doing that.
They're going to roll with Ben Roethlisberger or Mason Rudolph, whoever next year, and just build around this defense.
And it's smart because, you know, again, how often do we get high draft pick quarterback Smith Strabinsky amount to absolutely nothing.
I mean, he's probably worst two or three quarterbacks in the league.
I mean, you know.
So how valuable is that topic? I mean, who knows? Sometimes it puts a little bit too much pressure on teams, and it forces you to make bad decisions.
Um, so so who knows? I mean at the end of day.
They look like they made the right move because you're getting efficient.
Quarterback play from Mason, Rudolph.
I mean, he's not, You know he's not gonna go out when you're too many games, But he's going to control the clock, and he's gonna be able to make the right decisions more often than not.
So, um, I look, I like it.
I like where their team is right now.
Obviously, they're not being talked about as one of those real teams the Patriots be.
But you know how people get that.
You know, it's go.
They haven't beaten a real team it, except for, you know, the Steelers.
And week 1 33 to 3.
And that was with Ben Roethlisberger.
Yes, don't make a Fitzpatrick, but clearly this team is talented enough to be where they're at.
So, you know, again this whole idea that the teams you know don't play real teams or the college football teams, whatever. It's foolish.
But I got getting off track here a little bit.
Um, no, I like I like, uh yeah, I like I like with Stuart to do when I think they're gonna win this game and I do agree with you.
I think ultimately think Freddie Kitchens last the entire season.
But I honestly don't think he should honor, and I think it's probably the best move for them to just cut.
They move on to someone else.
Yeah, I think that probably will be the case because I don't see Cleveland being able to string together, wins and be able to sal***e this season.
I think he's essentially lost the guys that are in that locker room, and I think they're playing for pride and these thieves are professional players, and I think that they're gonna be able to at least get a couple more before the end of the year.
But, uh, this Steelers team, they're coming in, facing again on defense, very, very impressed with them.
And offensively, I think they've been a lot more efficient and a lot better than people have given him credit for.
You mentioned Mason Rudolph.
He's been efficient.
I think is the best way to put it.
Ah, he's been, you know, a good game manager.
He's not gonna win you games like you said.
But he's not gonna lose you. Aton either.
James Connor has been solid.
James Washington has been a very good wide receiver for them, really taking some of the pressure off a juju Smith Shuster, who, you know, everybody was going to be focusing on juju this year.
There wasn't any question Antonio Brown was not going to be there anymore.
So this is Ju Juice team.
He is the number one option and the guy that people are gonna try to take away.
He's had a solid season, but James Washington's emergence has been big in terms of the success that Mason Rudolph has been ableto abso this.
This is a talented club on both sides of the ball, and it's only just beginning for the Steelers right now, they're really starting to come together and bring it all together.
So it's gonna be a statement game for them tonight.
It's a divisional opponent.
Big rival Steelers Browns to fan bases that ate one another.
So it's this is gonna be a fun one toe watch.
I think tonight, and I think the Steelers are gonna try to put the league on notice and say, You know what? We're not gonna be an easy out if we make it into the playoffs.
We might be that team.
You don't want to play you like Huey Lewis and the news? No.
Do you think, Monica, You like Mike now? Ah, serious question, though.
Do they do the Steelers make the playoffs? Ultimately, at the end of the day, that's a tough question.
That is a very tough question, because there are some teams that are vying for that.
Look, I would have said normally that Indianapolis would have been a shoo in to make it.
You look at the injuries they have now, Jacoby percent looks like he probably will be back after the bye.
I'm not completely sure what that team is gonna really bring to the table.
I was I on Indy earlier on in the season, and even after they lost Andrew Luck, I figured that they were going to be a team that was still going to turn some meds and get a playoff spot and maybe even challenge for that division.
I'm not sure that's gonna happen right now.
I still hold some some hope on them, but not much.
Um, right now, I think you have to look at the Steelers and say that they're a team that is very, you know, they're very well equipped to make a playoff run.
The playoffs started today, they would be in it.
And that's amazing, considering how they started the season.
Ah, lot is gonna be determined by Buffalo.
We saw Buffalo drop a game last week.
Everybody pretty much figured they should win and they were going to win.
Um uh, we seeing the same Buffalo swoon that we usually see in the latter half of the season.
I think they're better than that.
But you know, the jury's still out on that one.
So there's a lot of teams that are vying for those wild card and spots right now to try to procure one.
If the season started today, Buffalo would be in it.
I'm leaning towards Yes, I think they will be.
And look, I think we can assume that they're going to be fighting for a wild card spot because we do think that Baltimore is pretty good team and they're likely not gonna, you know, give up the lead that they have, although I mean, it's not insurmountable.
Deficit overcome in terms of division play.
But assuming everything stays the way it has been, you know they'll be fighting for that wild card spot.
And, to be honest, like I'm thinking about the teams around.
Okay, well, New England's in the playoffs. Division winner.
Ah, South. Probably ***.
Since I'm assuming.
And so you're basically talking about the Colts, the Raiders, Which is surprising.
Um, yeah, Colts, Raiders, Steelers.
Um, probably That's that's found it, Really? I mean, a f c South. I mean, the Jaguars.
I don't I don't think they're, you know, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm, you know, forgetting what their record is.
But I don't think they're really in the mix.
And I think any other A f C East teams in the mixed A F C North.
I mean, we pretty much covered that the West.
I don't see San Diego.
Um, I don't see San Diego making it.
Um, I just I Yeah, so I mean, look, we're coming down to about three.
Team's gonna be fighting for that.
Those two wild card spots and fight if I had to put money on it, I probably you know what? I'd probably honestly pick Oakland and the Steelers.
Ah, just because, I mean, I'm starting to get a little hesitant on Buffalo, cause look, I do think they're gonna at the very least, lose at least one more game, and that's to the Patriots.
Um, and that's that's being very generous.
I haven't really even ah look too hard at their upcoming schedule, but I'm assuming there's gonna be at least what two losses in that mix.
So, yeah, again, I I just I I mean at least one, there's no question about it.
I mean, Buffalo does have a favorable schedule to finish the season.
So if there's any hope that Buffalo fans air cleaning to that may help you.
And look, if this team can make it in the playoffs, they do have a very formidable defense.
We've seen that, Um I mean, you and I have seen that up close and personal.
When you watch the play the New England Patriots, they're capable of stringing together, you know, the, um you know, some plays consecutively that can give quarterbacks difficulties.
Um, I Yeah, I mean, I I ste It's tough for me to become optimistic on Buffalo, but it's tough for me to quit on them just yet because of the defensive prowess that they have.
A lot of this is going to be determined by whether or not offensively they can move the ball.
Josh Allen's got to show more than he's shown this year.
There's no question about it.
I think he's got more in the tank, but let's see what he's got to finish out this season.
This is where quarterbacks make names for themselves.
We saw Lamar Jackson do it last year in in Baltimore.
Baltimore struggled mightily.
They made a strong playoff push last year, and Jackson got Mo Mentum heading into this season.
And he's come into his own playing some of the best football anywhere right now.
I'm not comparing Josh Allen to Lamar Jackson folks, but he's got to show that same type of grit and determination that Jackson showed last year to finish the season on a high note, maybe a playoff loss, but get into the playoffs and then they can build on that next year.
If they don't and they collapse, especially after the beginning that they add, then all of a sudden you might start to see rumblings about weather in for that franchise because they just have not found that God.
Jim Kelly, that really is going to be able to do that, say, for some fluting magic back in the early part of the decade.
Other than that, I don't really have a lot to know.
So I I love life, so I absolutely do.
But I think his successful years worm or in New England and I also think he had some successful time in, ah somewhat in in Dallas.
A cz well, but I just the the blood.
So Buffalo Arab let Drew played very well, but I just think that was That was just a tough match up with the with the exception of the Glad, So Lawyer Milloy revenge game, I don't have a whole lot of indelible memories of Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo.
So to me, he'll always be a patriot.
Yeah, that was That was certainly something that the players hate their coaches is what the narrative was after that one.
If we all remember Tom Jackson getting up there and saying that it's funny again, it's it's way.
We all remember how that's and we all remember how the season ended, and the two words that bill delicate ad for Tom Jackson on the dais after the Patriots were victorious in that Super Bowl.
But again, it's a family show we're not going to repeat exactly.
But you can use your imagination well.
We'll release a unscripted, raw addition of this show.
You know how they used to do that for, like, you know, any sort of show.
It's like, Okay, here's the Here's the episode.
But here's the raw uncut edition, you know, extra material.
You know all that, you know.
No believes that that's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna We're the director's.
The editors will call it the editor in chief's cut.
Yet there you go.
It's basically just 30 minutes of us, Ah, cussing back and forth and saying every vulgar thing that comes in our mind and that's essentially be our release.
But what we both agree.
I think we both have Steelers.
If you're if you're in the SportsCastr room, let us know.
Do you think is going to be the FC wild card teams? We have the Steelers, um, and I probably Well, you know what? That I'm kind of putting myself on the spot here because I haven't really thought too much about it.
But who do I think the two wild card teams are gonna be? And maybe it is the Raiders and the Steelers.
And then who would have thought about it at the end of this year? You know, at the beginning of this year, so we'll see.
We'll see how that goes.
Ah, another somewhat related Patriots Steelers news and Rader snooze.
Really? Actually, if you think about it, it's kind of works out pretty well.
Ah, Antonio Brown.
Ah, he's reportedly supposed supposed to have his meeting with the NFL today at nine.
AM So, um, we, ah, according I believe, is Josina Anderson had said that he has obviously denied all the accusations against him, and he is obviously looking to to fight this case or whatever.
So, um, uh, you know, we'll see.
We really haven't had much on the Antonio Brown thing since he was cut by the Patriots.
And on many levels, I mean, one that really hasn't been much talk about it, probably because he's no longer a patriot and two, there really hasn't been any new information coming out of either camp in terms of how this lawsuit or how this Ah, the whole situation is progressing.
So hopefully we will learn a lot more soon because, you know, look, I you know how I feel about the situation until there's some definitive results to what this investigation entails.
I think you should be playing.
I think he should be signed.
I think a team should be able to sign him without worry that Theo NFL is just gonna turn around and put him on.
The example is the moment he signs his contract.
I don't think the Patriots should a condom.
I still even though I think it's, Ah, it's, Ah, less than a 1,000,000 in one shot.
I still think they should entertained the idea of bringing him back solely because I think it would make them a better team.
I mean, we just I mean, everyone will sit there and pretend not to think it, but let's be real.
If he's out on that field, there are a lot better team offensively.
Um, not to say that that's their biggest issue.
I think we all agree that they need to get they need to play more efficiently on the offensive line.
However, you put Antonio Brown in this offense.
We saw it for very, very brief moment in time.
It's pretty explosive.
Any think it will open things up for the Patriots? But again, that's a that's a long ways away.
I think we're gonna find out so more information today, or at least in the coming days, or at least hopefully get a resolution.
Is R the R Is the NFL gonna place him on the exempt list? Are they going to suspend him? You know, basically, until this is done or not, because if they if they come out and it's status quo than it further further Ah tells me that they just have no interest in resolving this situation.
And they're really doing him a disservice.
Regardless of what you think he may or may not done, we don't know.
And, um, you know, if if the NFL was, unless they have the information, unless they're provided with with reliable information as to what happened in this situation, Um and they don't you know, unless they do that in the end, suspend him or whatever, that's fine.
But you know, if they not presented with anything different, and it's still the same thing we've been living to for the last couple months.
You just let him linger out there.
Then that's that's shame on you NFL, And that's That's not the first time I've said that.
It's true, you know.
It really is true.
I mean, this meeting absolutely has to yield some sort of vector in terms of where we're going to go from here.
There hasn't been anything on.
You're absolutely right since he was cut and released by the Patriots.
It's almost like, Well, the story went away.
We kind of we got what we wanted.
And now Antonio Brown is on the almost like, Well, if you can't have him, then no one's gonna know.
And you know, I think a lot of this obviously there needs to be dialogue between me and the NFL because the NFL needs to hear exactly what happened.
Law enforcement needs to hear exactly what happened.
I think that's lost in all of this.
That's you know, those are serious accusations and right now folks, that's all they are is accusations backed up by a civil litigation there has not been any criminal charges filed against Antonio around when it comes to this, so he's not accused of committing a crime.
At this point, he's accused of what could end up being considered criminal acts.
There's a big difference in So at this point, let's see what this meeting yields.
Let's see how, uh, this progresses and if indeed that this does come out of it, where it looks like the NFL is not gonna be able to place him on the commissioner's exempt list, then I think activity will start up because come on, let let's face it.
I mean, he's not being unsigned because of his antics, their teams out there that would gladly put up with Antonio Rounds antics if it meant the production that they're going to get on the field.
One of them is the New England Patriots.
Obviously, they knew about the antics beforehand.
It did not deter them.
They signed it, but so they knew what they were going to be getting.
It was everything that came out afterwards that just became too much for the team to endure what would have been too much of a distraction.
And I think That's why the team cut him loose.
It wasn't so much because they were fed up with him.
They just realized that this story was never gonna go away.
As long as he took the the field, the little bell a truck was gonna get creamed with with questions.
Every single day, Tom Brady was gonna get questioned.
All the players in the locker room, we're going to get question.
It was gonna be about the Antonio Brown saga rather than the team.
And I think Robert Kraft looked at it, looked at the optics of the situation and made a decision in cut Antonio Brown loose.
But I do think that that chatter can start up again and I think you'll see him signed if you don't.
If this meeting does not yield any type of indication as to whether or not he's gonna be placed on the commissioner's exempt list and teams start to believe that he could finish the season, absolutely, contenders will be lining up to sign him.
And I believe that full in and look, I mean, I I disagree a little bit because I do think, uh, look, distractions and the Patriots that it's never been an issue.
They've dealt with far worse.
I mean, they had a guy accused of murder and ultimately convicted of my role.
Technicalities may make disagree with me, but the guy was convicted of murder.
And, you know, obviously that Zoe, you were convicted.
That was the most extreme Ah, situation.
But there's been other situations where just questions and comments and, you know, everything around the Patriots gets blown up.
So I don't think that was really think I Honestly, I think Robert Kraft game gave into the public outcry and and to me, that is, and I'll sit here and defend craft for countless things.
I don't think his situation town of Florida was that big of a deal.
I think it's obviously got blown up because of you know who it was and some of the irresponsible reporting that came out because of it all.
But I do think he just he gave in, which surprises me, because I've never sed never once thought he was someone who to give in to outside pressure.
But I feel like he did because, um, again, you know everyone you know, all these people *****ing and complaining and all that stuff about, you know? Well, that I can't believe the Patriots.
They obviously, uh, how they sign him so quickly, Member that remember, that was the thing for, like, two days, you know? Oh, you know, people without were out pitchforks because of the ah, you know, the signing of them to begin with.
And then all of a sudden, this story comes out and and naturally, that's what you're gonna latch onto, because it's easy.
So, um, I think you know, again, J Minecraft for forgive if this was the case, Shame on him for giving into public perception, because again, we see it now already.
Some of the same people that were out there, you know, Lam basking the Patriots were signing this guy are up there.
You know Stephen a.
Smith? Well, I think the Ravens could actually look at him, and it would be a smart It's like, Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Six weeks ago to eight weeks ago, you're sitting there talking about how you know Antonio Brown's antics.
All this all this nonsense.
He's bad for the game.
He doesn't deserve this.
That and the other will ease off the Patriots and now other teams are interested.
Well, I think it would be a smart move by them all.
Of course, you d'oh! I mean, it's just kind of showing like where people is basis of their opinion comes from.
And exactly it's a bias on when we know that, you know? I mean, we've seen it so many times and yeah, you're absolutely right.
The team that does sign him, if it's not, the New England Patriots will be praised for signing him and saying, You know what? They're giving him a chance.
He hasn't been convicted.
All the narratives that you heard when he was with the Patriots, the vile human being that they made the guy out to be is all of a sudden going to change and it's gonna change.
It's gonna do 180 degree turn and look.
I am no way advocating if he is guilty of what he's accused of being guilty of, then he has no place in the NFC active force, and neither one of us are arguing that point.
And then, you know, and that's not the point here, folks.
Is that what Ian and I are trying to articulate is that at this point there's not enough information out there toe warrant, the type of stonewalling that he's, that he's been us that he's been subject to.
But the NFL is no stranger to that, and we're seeing at Maur and Maura and Maura's.
The Days go on here with Colin Kaepernick workout at the end of the week, I think there's there's an agenda that thes teams, maybe ownership Mars.
So I think the front office is really trying to push here, and it's it's really a double edged sword because I think it's alienating more people than its then it's accepting this.
Well, I'm glad you brought that up because we actually don't have a lot of time to touch on it.
But, um, you know, it's come out at least in the last 24 hours.
A lot of the same sentiments that I had about that Colin Kaepernick situation yesterday and I felt and I said it yesterday morning.
I thought it was so far.
So I thought the entire thing was just a sham and the more information that comes out about it and the comments coming from you know, other people within organizations.
It only further tells me that that was the case.
I mean, this was reportedly someone said that, you know, this was Roger Goodell trying to do something because he felt bad.
I mean, which, which was just silly and stupid.
And And, look, I I I think he should um I honestly, I hope some team does sign him, I hope.
I hope they dio I mean, I was never, you know, I was always in, and I said that chefs way.
I was always indifferent about Colin Kaepernick.
I never you know, like I said, I didn't want to sit here and pretend like I knew what I was talking about because, you know, again, what? What do I know about the struggles that he talks about? I don't I just Not that I'm empty, You know, I sympathize, and I'm empty.
You know, I have empathy and all. That's right.
And I want to know.
But I can't sit here and pretend to be some sort of ah authority on the subject, because I just I don't I just That's not how I grew up.
Um, it's situations.
There's a lot of people that didn't grow up in that situation, but wanna talk like they know what they're talking about.
And it's like, No, you're the last person I want to hear from guys like Colin Kaepernick.
You know, I want to hear what they say because they're the ones who lived through all this stuff.
So, um, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know that, But at the same time, I just I It was such a muddied situation because of all the misinformation being spewed about and, ah, but again overtime, it's It's become quite clear that there's there's a I'm not going to say every single owners involved because I mentioned it yesterday.
Some teams just there.
It makes no sense to sign him just from a football standpoint, So I'm not going to say every team is joining together to, ah, to keep him out of league.
But I think there's a concerted effort to just ignore him, and that is not right, especially for a guy who clearly can still play.
Maybe not at the level that he was when you know he was going to the Super Bowl, but we talked about it yesterday.
There's a lot of quarterbacks with starters or backups that could be replaced easily by Colin Kaepernick, and they'd be, You know, that team would be better because of it.
So, um, we're going to see how that plays out.
Obviously, his work out his own Saturday, Uh, there's again.
I don't want to get in.
We don't have that much time left, so I don't want to get into it too much.
But there is some disagreement as to whether or not the truth is the NFL said they were gonna provide a list of teams that wanted to go.
That's not the case.
That's what Kaepernick side saying now.
The NFL say no, We never did that so clearly there's already a disconnect.
I'll be I'll be interested in what this actually works out to be on Saturday and to see if your team to actually takes it seriously.
And, um, you know, I saw one rumor that you know that Patriots will have someone as a representative.
Now, what does that mean? Probably nothing.
But, um, at least we know some teams are going, and it'll be interesting to see what happens, and, uh, hopefully he gets signed Hopefully, some team go goes out there and says, You know what? Um, we're gonna go out there and make this move, and we're gonna put him on a roster and see what he can do.
Coming, I'm sure or not.
Absolutely will be a year.
And you know, so asking, like, why haven't Hasn't a team signed Colin Kaepernick yet? Well, theseventy, five years old, he hasn't played in 50 years, but there will still be exactly.
And the answer will be I am the Walrus.
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