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Okay, Any New England Patriots fan who watched the Seattle Seahawks for San Francisco 49 game last night probably cringed every time that Josh Gordon caught a pass.
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The good news is, it came very late in the game, and we only needed to see it a couple of times.
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But it came a crucial third downplays in the fourth quarter.
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It reminded all of us that Josh Gordon can still come up clutch and watching him do it in a Seahawks jersey just straight up.
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Suck, of course.
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What? I woke up this morning and clicked on my Twitter inbox.
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It was filled with Patriot fans asking me if Bill Belichick made a mistake releasing Josh Gordon.
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And that's probably the most complicated.
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Yes, in no question, I could have been asked.
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Well, let me take a shot at it.
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What's going on, everybody? It's your boy, Ray.
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And welcome to my little show here on D P end.
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So I think the first thing that we need to focus on is that we were never really given the rial reason that the Patriots decided to move on and release Josh Gordon.
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Everything that's been said, everything that I've talked about everything we've read.
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It's all been speculation and everything that I will be saying tonight will be based on that speculation.
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So it's not like I have some inside source of, you know, everything Josh Gordon that can tell me exactly what happened.
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But as I always say, I'm just a fan, not immediate guy.
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So I'm gonna talk about it now.
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We've been given kind of like four reasons.
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That charge Gordon was released it Number one.
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It was his injury.
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But seeing him play, I don't know.
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Uh, his work ethic came into question.
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A lot of people are saying it was just a football decision.
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Some people were saying it was a business decision, and I think when you break it all down, it's almost safe to say that was probably a combination of all four.
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So let's talk about all four.
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Let's talk about the business decision.
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Part of it.
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When the Patriots traded for Mohammed Sunu, it pushed the Patriots salary cap really to the limit, and we knew that somewhere down the line, Bill Belichick was going to have to alleviate some of that salary cap.
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That's one of the main reasons.
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I believe at least that we saw Michael Bennett moved to Dallas.
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Now it was a combination of win win for the Patriots.
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Obviously, he didn't have the attitude or the willingness to buy into the Patriots game plan.
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He wanted more game time.
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Ah, he was being vocal in a room that is not a democracy but a dictatorship.
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And it also helped move a chunk of his salary over in Dallas.
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Got to take it over and cleared up some space.
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So it was a win win.
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So when you combine the mom, it's the new trade.
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And Nicki Well, Harry, coming off the I r.
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The Patriots could actually afford to move Josh Gordon to save some of that salary and open up some of the salary cap.
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The reason we all know that he went on the I R.
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With so that he couldn't be released and signed with anybody he wanted.
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He would have to go through waivers.
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Good.
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I think the last thing the patrons want to see is Josh Gordon ending up on the Baltimore Ravens or somebody in the A, F.
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C, or even a team like the Buffalo Bills now the injury.
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Part of it is kind of weird, because to me it feels like he was dealing with something all season.
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It wasn't necessarily the near the ankle or whatever they were saying was injured.
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It was kind of like it just seemed like he was dealing with hand issues.
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He was dealing with an arm issue.
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He's dealing with the leg issue.
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It just felt like Josh Gordon was never actually fully healthy to contribute to the offense.
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And what we really saw this year was he was struggling to create separation away from defenders, something very different than what we saw with his time with the Patriots last year.
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And I mean, really, we don't know why.
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The quite isn't decline, is it? That he's just starting to decline is a wide receiver.
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Is it his time away, or was he dealing with an injury? I think he only missed like what one game before you had to go on to the I R.
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And then obviously at some point he became healthy enough that the Patriots will.
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They were forced to release him, but then before the game, you know before last night's game, he ended up on the Seahawks injury report.
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So obviously, he's still dealing with an ankle issue.
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There's still a bit of an injury there, but when you saw him play last night, he looked okay.
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So I don't know.
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This probably washes it out.
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I don't think the Patriots got rid of it because of his injury issue.
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Um, I think it was other reasons now, when it comes to his work ethic, those were all rumors, right? We heard that he was, You know, being he was showing up late for practice is he was showing up late for meetings, which obviously doesn't fly in New England.
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Jonas, Greg, you know, went from being the cover of Sports Illustrated, too.
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Playing second fiddle to the gear a blank.
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Um, now, that could have happened anyhow, but the rumor is he missed a meeting, you know? Didn't have an alarm clock to get up.
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Whatever it may be, But nothing is confirmed, right? We heard stories that he would just disappear.
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Coaches couldn't find him.
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Whatever.
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The one thing, though, is that story died out very quickly after came out.
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It wasn't something that continued to get heart the boat, so I don't know the truth, and it's really uncharacteristic when you compare.
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When he first joined the Patriots last season, that all people talked about in the organization was they couldn't believe how good Josh Gordon's work ethic is.
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So I don't know.
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The work ethic thing to me is rumor and speculation, obviously, like everything else.
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But I think that, you know, I'm gonna watch that one out.
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I think it comes down to basically like I said, a business decision, but I think it comes down to a football decision.
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He is not the receiver he wants wise.
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He didn't have that speed again.
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It could have been because of injury.
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But we saw him struggling to get separation, and I'm wondering if the pages just believe that that was because it was in decline.
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He's still able to use his size and his strength.
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And even though he struggled to get away from that separation, he was still will make catches.
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We saw it in the Seahawks San Francisco game last night when he was able to break away and make those catchers, especially on third down for Russell Wilson.
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So he's still a useful player now, if he would have played all 16 games this season, which obviously he didn't, he would have been on track of making about 53 catches, 765 yards, three touchdowns, right? The injury problems obviously significantly reduced those stats and the fact that he's now learning the Seahawksoffense is gonna reduce those stats as well.
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The other big pieces when you're talking about football decision is Mohammed Sunu changes the Patriots offense from what they were playing.
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It's actually going back to the more traditional New England offense.
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We know minus the tight end position because I've been preaching along.
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Mohammed Sunu is a better version of Danny Amendola.
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He's bigger, he's stronger, he's faster, He's a better player.
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But he can play in that Danny and he plays that Danny Amendola roll, and we're going to see more of that.
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And you know, I think that Nick Eel Harry returning, played a big part in it as well.
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And I think you know, managing a team like this is you have to balance a lot of different things, right.
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You have to balance the future.
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You have to balance it now.
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And I think they looked at Philip Door set. They looked at Nikki.
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Harry thought those two guys can play the outside.
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When the hell Harry finally starts making on the field, he could be the big, strong guy.
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And the fact that the main targets are going to Edelman and Snoop really kind of, I don't know, made Gordon obsolete to this team.
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So do I think it was a mistake that Bella check release Josh Gordon? I really don't at this time.
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And don't get me wrong.
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I love Josh Gordon, right? And I would have loved to see the Daft twits, a new Josh Gordon Philip Door Satin Akil Herrion, Jacoby Meyers, right? But if some for some godforsaken reason, the Patriots were not to win the Super Bowl this year, and they will.
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But if for some godforsaken reason they were not to win the Super Bowl, you can't blame it on Josh Gordon's release.
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You know, it's a simple is look at the Patriots offense.
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First, the Ravens that was the most fluid.
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We've seen this offense all season.
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They were a Julian Edelman fumble away from really taking control of the game.
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Isaiah Winds gonna be back in two weeks.
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So new is getting more, you know more.
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Click with Brady, and it's gonna be good.
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So I'm not ripping on flasher.
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Do I like Flash? I love him.
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Do I miss him? Yeah, I do.
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Will it continue to wears Jersey? Absolutely.
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I will Gorn in my mind.
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Once your patriot, you're always a patriot as long as you go out the right way.
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But was it a mistake for Bill Belichick to release Josh Gordon? No, it wasn't.
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And the Patriots will be absolutely, positively fine.
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That Bill Bouche I gave up on Jacob Hollister I want to look at.
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Besides Bill Belichick, who has been the best coach in the NFL this season, the last night's game cement Russell Wilson to be the M v p.
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Who's the better quarterback Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield? And are the Saints still the best team in the NFC and of course, I'm gonna give my f C top five power rankings of where I see the current crop of the A F C.
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When I say I'm ready for questions, ask away.
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But I already talked about one Bill Belichick mistake.
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That wasn't a mistake.
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The other question is, did Bill Belichick make a mistake trading Jacob Hollister? And obviously I understand why Patriot fans are thinking this.
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I saw it all over Twitter today.
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It was something that I needed to talk about.
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You know, really, if you're a die hard Patriots fan and you worship the players that left like I keep seeing.
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People want Danny Amendola back, even though we have a better version of Amendola and all that kind of stuff.
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You're watching that game last night, you got Jimmy Garoppolo throwing the ball.
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You got Josh Gordon and Jacob Paul Stir on the other side, catching balls from Russell Wilson.
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It was like a Patriots family reunion, and a lot of people are saying, Why do we keep? Ryan is So why did we sign Ben Watson? Why did we sign mouth costs and just kind of throw away Jacob Hollister? At this point? I can't remember if he was waived.
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If he was traded, I think he might have been training for 1/7 round draft pick.
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I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Was it a mistake by the way he's playing? Did we miss out on a prime candidate? No, we didn't.
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And it's not because of a Patriots fan.
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I'm not saying this because I'm you know the way I gotta be.
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I'm saying it because it's a different team in a different system, and that's the most truth I can give you.
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If if we think that he would have had the same success with the Patriot, I think we'd be fooling ourselves if you watch a lot of Jacob and I'm not taking not only from Jacob.
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Policy has been playing great.
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But if you look at a lot of his catches and I've caught most of the Seahawks games this year, he gets a lot of his catches When Russell Wilson is running around and creating space and and getting himself out of trouble cause his offensive line is worse than the Patriots, Jacob Holster doesn't actually separate himself from coverage as well as we think he does.
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And he gets himself open because of Russell.
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Wilson gives him the time to.
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That's what Russell Wilson's legs do when he throws the ball is he can run around the field and move around the field and get guys open.
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Brady got rid of the ball too quickly.
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It's why Hollister never really clicked with the Patriots offense.
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He didn't fit the Patriots system.
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That's okay, guys, You know what? Some guys just need new territory.
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They need a new quarterback.
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I don't think that Jacob Hollister produces with the Patriots what he's doing with Seattle, and I know you want to look at it and say, Yes, he will, Ray, look at him.
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Look how great he's doing.
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It's a different system.
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The system that Pete Carroll built around Russell Wilson works for a Jacob Paulist er.
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It doesn't work for a Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady is not going to run around the field.
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Avoiding tacklers.
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Tom Brady slides out of the pocket.
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He wants to get rid of that ball in two or three seconds.
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Hollister doesn't get that kind of separation that quickly.
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The reason Grok was so good away from his size and his strength, he was able to jump up and fly down the field so much faster than a lot of people actually thought he looks a lot slower on TV.
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That's what they always say.
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He always looks slower on TV than he really was.
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So, yeah, Jacob pollsters having a hell of a season with the Seahawks, but I don't think it would have worked with the Patriots.
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All right, so I want to give my power rankings of the A F.
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C.
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Right everybody, let's get their power rankings on Tuesday.
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I hate the power rankings.
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I think it's the stupidest system. The world.
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It is so reactionary.
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So am I gonna be a little bit different.
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So I'm gonna go from 5 to 1.
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And I think the fifth best team in the A F.
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C.
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When Jacoby percent is back, is the Indianapolis Colts.
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I think that they have a fantastic defense.
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They have a great run game and they have a decent quarterback.
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Jacoby percent has done great leading this Indianapolis team.
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Let's not fool ourselves.
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He's not this future Hall of Fame or nothing like that.
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But he's done great and really in these kind of fifth because a default because there's nobody else there.
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My fourth best team may surprise some people, and I know irritant that live in a certain kingdom by the the fourth best team in the A F. C.
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Regardless what people think.
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It's the six and four Kansas City Chiefs.
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Yeah, they got Patrick Holmes got Tyree kill.
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They got Travis Calc walk ins will be back.
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Their offense is phenomenal and it can play phenomenal.
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We saw them play phenomenal against Tennessee, right? We saw it, but their defense sucks, and that offense is not good enough to win them a championship.
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Look at all the years that Tom Brady had a phenomenal offense, but no defense.
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Those were non Super Bowl years.
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For the Patriots, the best teams are the most balanced teams.
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Look at last year's Super Bowl champions.
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You had two great defense is too great offenses going at it.
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It turned into a defensive game, but that's the way it was.
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Look what happened to the Patriots and two years ago.
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Super Bowl 50 to Tom Brady sets, records, records, Super Bowl records, over 500 yards and three touchdowns.
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And they lose the game because of faulty defense.
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And I could see that if Kansas City got into a big game that turned into a shoot out, their defense not being able to stop anybody.
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My third best team in the A.
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F. C. Is actually the Houston Texans.
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I believe that they are a very balanced team.
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I believe that their defense and their offense are both good enough to drag them through to the playoffs, and I agree with some of the comments I'm seeing.
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I almost had the couldn't do it.
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Not with Patrick Mahomes, but I got Houston and number three, and I think that to Shawn Watson is a stud.
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I think that's the reason he's been in the conversation.
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You know of whether or not um, whether or not ah, you know he should be M V P.
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But yes, so I got them is number three.
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Number two.
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I got to give it to the team that beat the best team in the A F C.
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The Baltimore Ravens.
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Lamar Jackson is a freak.
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He's a stud.
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The guy is a running back who plays quarterback.
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They do now.
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They're adding RG three into their offense.
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They're doing some just strange things that's going to take a while for teams to figure out.
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But, you know, it's We just got a look at it in the sense of they got a good defense, the pass rush socks.
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They got an okay, They got an okay defense, I should say.
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But that offenses creates that offensive line is phenomenal.
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Their running game is phenomenal.
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They can move the ball in the air.
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You gotta put that number two.
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They look great right now.
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Of course, number one is the New England Patriots.
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And why is it the New England Patriots? Because they're the most complete team in the NFL.
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They have the best coach in the league.
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They're the most successful coach in the league.
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They're the most successful quarterback, most clutch quarterback in the league, with an offense that is just starting to gel.
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They're going to start bringing in.
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They're going to start getting their their top lineman back.
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Who's outs? They got a crazy ass, good defense who's only got, you know, one bad game under their belts.
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They just came off the by.
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We're starting in the cold weather.
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We're starting to get in November.
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We're getting close to Thanksgiving, and that's when the Patriots excel.
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Those in my top five. Number one.
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New England. Number two. Baltimore.
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Number three Houston number four.
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Kansas City number five Indianapolis.
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But we do have a watch out.
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We do have honorable mentions of teams that I think we need to look for.
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That could slide themselves into that fourth or fifth spot, and that's the Pittsburgh Steelers who are really coming on now with really a broken team and I'll get more into the Steelers tonight and the Oakland Raiders, who actually have a chance of knocking Kansas City right out of the West, right? Another division right out of the West and taking that over and forcing Kansas City into the wild card.
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They're not in my top five latte yet, but they're getting their and they're starting to build themselves up.
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But I've been really impressed with both of those teams.
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All right, guys.
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So here's a question I gotta ask.
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I didn't advertise it.
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So if you stuck around to now, you know, you you didn't know it was coming, but he's a little treat for you.
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Was Jimmy Garoppolo exposed Last name? I've seen my fellow Patriots video maker, a master at work, formally kissed.
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Arrange my boy.
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Taison coined him is jittery G, which I love.
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Thank you for that.
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And when I use jittery G, always make sure that we get the credit to Tyson.
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But was he really exposed? It was one game.
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Was he really exposed in one game? The answer is absolutely yes, and I know what the argument's gonna be. Book Ray.
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The Patriots defense was exposed by the Baltimore offense, and you're saying it's still good.
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How can you say that Jimmy Garoppolo has been exposed after one game, a game that they lost in overtime? I know the argument.
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I've seen it out there.
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I don't San Fran fans are saying right now I know what some Patriot fans are saying they were still, you know, sharing for Jimmy G.
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Let me tell you why.
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There's a reason that Jimmy Garoppolo has not been in the conversation for Most Valuable Player this season.
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He hasn't been.
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The team is eight.
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What team do you know in the history of the NFL that sits at eight? And Oh, and there's not even a conversation around somebody on that team being M V P.
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Nobody in San Francisco and Jimmy G.
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Wasn't there, you might say.
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But the Patriots rate no, and Tom Brady wasn't in the conversation.
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No, but you know what? If defensive players had an opportunity to win the most valuable player stuff on, Gilmore would be there.
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Jamie Collins would be there.
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They've had two players on the Patriots have been defensive players of the month.
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Right now, according to Vegas, stuff on, Gilmore is the favorite to win defensive player of the Year, so it wasn't all coming from their offense.
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But that defense was so good.
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There's nobody Jimmy Grapple was not in that conversation, and nobody in New England was crediting Tom Brady with the eight.
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No, we said that they were doing enough, right? We said that the offense was doing enough in the defense was absolutely historical and unbelievable.
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But what was the world waiting for? Boogie Set it on the on the, uh, broadcast last name.
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The world has been waiting to see Jimmy Garoppolo in a pressure situation.
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And, yeah, he led the 40 Niners down the field and they kicked the game time field goal because Seattle let him because he should have thrown, too two interceptions on that final drive.
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I don't even care when it starts are for the season just like I never care.
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It's like I never care what Tom Brady stats are, and I'm not a big fan of Skip Bayless.
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I'm not a fan of any of those Talking has, but Skip Bayless says it all the time.
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Tom Brady is clutch.
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You hardly ever see Tom Brady and critical moments blow it.
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But if you watch that game last night, in the fourth quarter and in overtime, Seattle tried to give the 40 Niners every opportunity to win the game.
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Dropped interceptions.
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Terrible penalty.
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Russell Wilson throws a second interception of the year in overtime, and Jimmy G.
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Could not get it done.
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And, yeah, he drove them.
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The guy missed the game winning kick.
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I get that, but it's like a 54 yard kick or what Universe? 47.
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If I'm wrong, it's not like that's a gimme.
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Russell Wilson brought his guy in what should be classified as a chip shot for a pro kicker.
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Russell Wilson doesn't under throw a ball, which he doesn't do often.
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I've only got two picks on the year, and that was the second pick.
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The game's over before it gets there.
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The 40 Niners got the ball back in overtime and couldn't get it done.
00:25:19
Jimmy Graham potion either Tied that game of Seattle, intercepts the ball. It's over.
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He looked shook in the pocket.
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I tweeted it out, I said.
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He looks panicked in the pocket.
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He didn't look like he was ready.
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When we think of his performances in New England, we think of his performances is here. They're blowouts.
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There's no panic in a blowout.
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You're not panicking in the first or second quarter.
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It's when it comes down to five minutes and you're trailing by two or you got to kill a clock.
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So yeah, man, I do think Jimmy Garoppolo was exposed.
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Last name.
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I'm not afraid to say it.
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And I'll tell you what.
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I was having a conversation with my with my wife tonight about this because for two years I have been saying, I love Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady is the Patriots quarterback.
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I respect it and he can decide when he wants to leave the team.
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But deep down, I always felt Jimmy Garoppolo should be our quarterback because I always thought our future was in San Francisco until last night because I don't believe that Jimmy Garoppolo What? I had the fortitude.
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I don't believe that Jimmy Garoppolo had the patients.
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I don't think he had the confidence, and I don't think he will have the confidence.
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I don't care what his salary is to lead a team to the Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl.
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Tom great Tom Brady is the best quarter is isn't the best quarterback to ever step on the field, but he's the greatest to step onto the field, and there's a difference between the best and the greatest.
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And I said, I don't care about stats.
00:27:16
Aaron Rodgers has better stats and Tom Brady, but only stop that matters is six Super Bowl championships toe one Super Bowl championship.
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But Tom Brady, time and time and time again comes through in the clutch, comes through when the Patriots need it.
00:27:34
And last night Jimmy Garoppolo had the opportunity to come out and win the game.
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The referee set them up.
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Do you think Jimmy Garoppolo could have overcome that sack? That should have been a sack on Russell Wilson, third and 16? I don't think he could have.
00:28:04
At the end of the day, the best players win.
00:28:09
Peyton Manning had it, and I know we had some playoff struggles, but Peyton Manning had it.
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Tom Brady has it.
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I'll see a man.
00:28:21
Aaron Rodgers has it.
00:28:24
Drew Brees has it.
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I know they only got one ring each, but they got it.
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Those are the guys that can come through.
00:28:33
Tom Brady does it better than everybody but those guys had it.
00:28:36
Montana had it.
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Steve Young had it.
00:28:41
Jimmy G shows us.
00:28:42
He didn't have it.
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Right now Patrick Mahomes doesn't have it.
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Besides one game against Denver, he's lost every big game under the lights.
00:28:58
Jimmy Garoppolo And what was probably the biggest game of his career? Last name look like a panicked rookie in the pocket.
00:29:09
And I'm sorry.
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You're right, right? I missed it.
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And Russell Wilson has it, and I'm sure those guys are missing.
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So I'm not, You know, if I'm missing somebody, I apologize.
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But Jimmy G, Maybe if he stays under Brady until now, he can get it together.
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But he was exposed.
00:29:36
All right, I got to move on from that.
00:29:40
An interesting topic came up, and I'm gonna ask.
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Besides Bill Belichick, who's been the best coach in the NFL this season, and I think it be a really easy answer to turn around and say Shanahan's been the ******* eight and one.
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Look what he's done with Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Look what this defense is done.
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Look what he's done with this franchise.
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But I don't think it's him and the guy that I'm gonna give credit for I hate giving credit for, but I think the coaches coach the best this season has been Mike Tomlin.
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You gotta look at what he's had to deal with this season.
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Doesn't have Antonio Brown anymore.
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He doesn't have Lavy on belly loses Ben Raw this Burger Wiley week to week three.
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James Connor has been in and out.
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It has been playing that great, and yet there's sitting at five and four.
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I mean, they're fighting it out for a wild card spot.
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They might be in a wild card spot right now.
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I hate Mike Tomlin.
00:31:01
I hate the Steelers.
00:31:03
I hate given any credit to that black and gold team.
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I mean, he lost.
00:31:15
Mason ruled off for a couple of games when he, like, almost died on the field.
00:31:22
You got to give him credit, man.
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You gotta give him credit with how he's worked.
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I saw that Mike Tomlin's 10 year and career was done in Pittsburgh.
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I really did.
00:31:35
I thought he was done.
00:31:36
This was gonna be the season after the train wreck with Antonio Brown, lady on Belle.
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But now here's lady on Belle not performing.
00:31:43
Here's a baby out of the league.
00:31:49
Roth's burger goes down Mason Rudolph goes down for a bit.
00:31:52
James Connor gets hurt, but he's taking this defense led by another.
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What he's done a lot, man, I got to give Tom in the credit.
00:32:06
I don't like to, and as a fan, as a Patriot fan, I won't want to do it.
00:32:13
But as a football fan, I gotta give the credit a couple of quick things here after Layer at last night's game, I think to me Russell Wilson has cemented himself is the clear cut front runner for the M V P.
00:32:31
I know people are trying to throw the Mark Jackson and that someone was saying today, I'm one of those shows that if it wasn't for Jackson, you know Russell Wilson would be the clear cut favorite.
00:32:41
And if he wasn't proven to be the clear cut favorite last night, I don't know who is.
00:32:47
We know it's gonna be a quarterback, right, cause I will argue a lot, right? Sometimes I will argue a lot that defensive and I still argue that defensive players, running backs, receivers, they should all be considered in that place.
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But a quarterback is the most obvious.
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And that's why quarterbacks win.
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M v p fine.
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I'll accept it all.
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Except so if we're going on the premise that it's got to go to a quarterback, it's got to go to Russell Wilson.
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He's got no offensive line lock.
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It goes down last night.
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He's got Josh.
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Gordon is dealing with an with an ankle injury who's had, like what? Like like a week of practice time.
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It's got Jacob pollster who was, Ah, a cast off of New England and, yeah, they got it.
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They got a decent defense looking the wrong.
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But what he does offensively, two minute drives down the field, I think he's got the most two minutes are the most game winning drive.
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Since he's coming to the league, he's got to be the front runner.
00:33:57
And so you go from one great quarterback like Russell Wilson, who's, you know, M v P candidate, bubble block.
00:34:05
And then I'm getting questions like, Who's the better quarterback Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield and a lot of people are giving their opinion on this.
00:34:13
I know that first take, give their opinion on it.
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It's kind of what sparked quite it started a conversation between myself and somebody else, and then they asked me the question, and I kind of sat on it for a couple days.
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And now I'm here to talk about it.
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And my answer is we won't know until next season, because I want to say that Baker Mayfield is the best quarterback.
00:34:37
I mean, from appeared talent perspective, It has to, you know, it all logic tells me that it's Baker Mayfield, but what we need to see is, and he's been handicapped this season by having the worst coach in professional football.
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Freddie Kitchens you guys could make.
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People are making every excuse eyes a new coach, and he's a rookie coach.
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But I know he's the worst coach in the NFL straight up, so I don't want him out of this excuses for Freddie Kitchens.
00:35:12
So he's been handicapped on there.
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You can't get out of his own head, either.
00:35:19
You know, Baker needs to shut up and play football, and I say that all times stop talking crap about other people.
00:35:24
Stop talking about Rex Ryan.
00:35:26
Ignore what people are saying about you and start playing football so we'll know next season.
00:35:38
I don't think you know Sam Darnold, Miss.
00:35:41
Sometime you seen goes against the Patriots.
00:35:43
He's handicapped as well with Adam Gaze.
00:35:46
I mean, you got two young good quarterbacks who are just being handicapped by two brutal coaches.
00:35:53
How New York thought Adam Gaze was a good hire.
00:35:56
I don't understand how the Brown start Freddie Kitchens with a young team with a young quarterback with two star receivers was a good hire.
00:36:06
If they both get new head coaches next year, then we will see who the better quarterback is, who can overcome the end superior coaching and my last topic before I ask questions.
00:36:22
So if you guys wanted to start our taking questions, so if you guys wanted to throw your questions out now, you probably can.
00:36:32
But Seattle wins last night and dramatic fashion and good face it and what was probably the most entertaining game of the season so far, They look like they could be the best team in the NFC.
00:36:44
I know that Tyson has them as the best team in the NFC.
00:36:49
Some people have the Saints as the best team in the NFC and after losing to the Falcons and Rather and Russell Wilson of the Seahawks winning to the, You know, beating the San Francisco 40 Niners.
00:37:01
Are the Saints still the best team in the NFC? In my opinion, regardless of the loss to the Atlanta Falcons, I still believe the Saints arm because I still think they're the most complete.
00:37:18
I think they have a good run game.
00:37:20
They've got a good quarterback.
00:37:22
They've got a good offensive line and they've got a good defense.
00:37:27
Russell Wilson is missing an offensive line, which could eventually hurt the Seahawks.
00:37:32
Going forward.
00:37:36
I get the argument for Seattle, and I will gladly debate people about it.
00:37:45
I'm not even necessarily saying people are wrong.
00:37:47
It's all a matter of opinion, power rankings or a matter of opinion.
00:37:58
But to me, I still think I still think it's the Saints.
00:38:08
That's it.
00:38:11
All right, guys, this is your opportunity.
00:38:12
Now, if you have a question, you can ask the question.
00:38:16
If not, I can wrap it up and go to bed nice and early tonight, regardless of it. I'm here.
00:38:24
You have a comment question.
00:38:25
I love when I'm on here and I'm looking down my chat and it's like you guys just agreeing with everything I'm saying.
00:38:32
I love it.
00:38:33
I love it.
00:38:35
I am, You know, go on.
00:38:36
YouTube.
00:38:37
Everyone to debate you and tell you you're wrong.
00:38:39
And I'm like, Shut up, Ben.
00:38:43
And I know as I grow here on SportsCastr I know as a SportsCastr becomes a stronger platform will have some more debates in the in the chat log butt.
00:38:54
Not right now is Tuesday night.
00:38:57
It's freezing here in Canada, and Ah, you guys the best.
00:39:04
I don't see any questions, so I'm probably gonna call it a night.
00:39:07
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00:39:09
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00:39:10
A SportsCastr for giving me the opportunity to come out here each and every night and talk to Pats Nation.
00:39:19
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00:39:20
Thank you for just giving me this platform and saying, Go ahead, Ray, talk to the people.
00:39:29
Thank you.
00:39:30
Everybody who tuned in tonight.
00:39:32
Oh, I got a question.
00:39:33
I will answer that.
00:39:34
Okay, now I'm gonna answer this one question that I'm gonna cut it off because I was already ready to cut it off.
00:39:38
Now, what do you think about the 40 Niners being carried into the game? Dab goes game by the refs.
00:39:46
I think that's been the story of the NFL this season.
00:39:49
I think that the NFL has been absolutely brutal.
00:39:54
Ah, as officials, There was brutal calls last night.
00:39:58
I hated the sack on Russell Wilson.
00:40:01
I wanted to throw **** through the TV.
00:40:03
I think there's been even worse calls made this season on that.
00:40:06
I feel like if I made a CZ many mistakes is NFL referees.
00:40:10
I would be fired straight up straight down.
00:40:13
I mean that comment last night and I mean it now.
00:40:15
They they should be punished the same way that the players are punished when they make crucial mistakes.
00:40:22
Players are cut from teams.
00:40:24
Players are released. It's a business.
00:40:26
There should be.
00:40:27
A general manager for referees was always out looking for new officials.
00:40:31
And if you can't do your job, you're released or your back to the practice squad until you can learn how to referee.
00:40:39
I think that video review is a joke.
00:40:42
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Did The Patriots Make a Mistake Releasing Josh Gordon? / Patriots & NFL News

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Okay, Any New England Patriots fan who watched the Seattle Seahawks for San Francisco 49 game last night probably cringed every time that Josh Gordon caught a pass.
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The good news is, it came very late in the game, and we only needed to see it a couple of times.
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But it came a crucial third downplays in the fourth quarter.
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It reminded all of us that Josh Gordon can still come up clutch and watching him do it in a Seahawks jersey just straight up.
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Suck, of course.
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What? I woke up this morning and clicked on my Twitter inbox.
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It was filled with Patriot fans asking me if Bill Belichick made a mistake releasing Josh Gordon.
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And that's probably the most complicated.
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Yes, in no question, I could have been asked.
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Well, let me take a shot at it.
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What's going on, everybody? It's your boy, Ray.
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And welcome to my little show here on D P end.
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So I think the first thing that we need to focus on is that we were never really given the rial reason that the Patriots decided to move on and release Josh Gordon.
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Everything that's been said, everything that I've talked about everything we've read.
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It's all been speculation and everything that I will be saying tonight will be based on that speculation.
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So it's not like I have some inside source of, you know, everything Josh Gordon that can tell me exactly what happened.
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But as I always say, I'm just a fan, not immediate guy.
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So I'm gonna talk about it now.
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We've been given kind of like four reasons.
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That charge Gordon was released it Number one.
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It was his injury.
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But seeing him play, I don't know.
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Uh, his work ethic came into question.
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A lot of people are saying it was just a football decision.
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Some people were saying it was a business decision, and I think when you break it all down, it's almost safe to say that was probably a combination of all four.
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So let's talk about all four.
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Let's talk about the business decision.
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Part of it.
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When the Patriots traded for Mohammed Sunu, it pushed the Patriots salary cap really to the limit, and we knew that somewhere down the line, Bill Belichick was going to have to alleviate some of that salary cap.
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That's one of the main reasons.
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I believe at least that we saw Michael Bennett moved to Dallas.
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Now it was a combination of win win for the Patriots.
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Obviously, he didn't have the attitude or the willingness to buy into the Patriots game plan.
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He wanted more game time.
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Ah, he was being vocal in a room that is not a democracy but a dictatorship.
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And it also helped move a chunk of his salary over in Dallas.
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Got to take it over and cleared up some space.
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So it was a win win.
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So when you combine the mom, it's the new trade.
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And Nicki Well, Harry, coming off the I r.
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The Patriots could actually afford to move Josh Gordon to save some of that salary and open up some of the salary cap.
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The reason we all know that he went on the I R.
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With so that he couldn't be released and signed with anybody he wanted.
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He would have to go through waivers.
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Good.
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I think the last thing the patrons want to see is Josh Gordon ending up on the Baltimore Ravens or somebody in the A, F.
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C, or even a team like the Buffalo Bills now the injury.
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Part of it is kind of weird, because to me it feels like he was dealing with something all season.
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It wasn't necessarily the near the ankle or whatever they were saying was injured.
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It was kind of like it just seemed like he was dealing with hand issues.
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He was dealing with an arm issue.
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He's dealing with the leg issue.
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It just felt like Josh Gordon was never actually fully healthy to contribute to the offense.
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And what we really saw this year was he was struggling to create separation away from defenders, something very different than what we saw with his time with the Patriots last year.
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And I mean, really, we don't know why.
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The quite isn't decline, is it? That he's just starting to decline is a wide receiver.
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Is it his time away, or was he dealing with an injury? I think he only missed like what one game before you had to go on to the I R.
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And then obviously at some point he became healthy enough that the Patriots will.
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They were forced to release him, but then before the game, you know before last night's game, he ended up on the Seahawks injury report.
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So obviously, he's still dealing with an ankle issue.
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There's still a bit of an injury there, but when you saw him play last night, he looked okay.
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So I don't know.
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This probably washes it out.
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I don't think the Patriots got rid of it because of his injury issue.
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Um, I think it was other reasons now, when it comes to his work ethic, those were all rumors, right? We heard that he was, You know, being he was showing up late for practice is he was showing up late for meetings, which obviously doesn't fly in New England.
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Jonas, Greg, you know, went from being the cover of Sports Illustrated, too.
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Playing second fiddle to the gear a blank.
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Um, now, that could have happened anyhow, but the rumor is he missed a meeting, you know? Didn't have an alarm clock to get up.
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Whatever it may be, But nothing is confirmed, right? We heard stories that he would just disappear.
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Coaches couldn't find him.
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Whatever.
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The one thing, though, is that story died out very quickly after came out.
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It wasn't something that continued to get heart the boat, so I don't know the truth, and it's really uncharacteristic when you compare.
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When he first joined the Patriots last season, that all people talked about in the organization was they couldn't believe how good Josh Gordon's work ethic is.
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So I don't know.
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The work ethic thing to me is rumor and speculation, obviously, like everything else.
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But I think that, you know, I'm gonna watch that one out.
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I think it comes down to basically like I said, a business decision, but I think it comes down to a football decision.
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He is not the receiver he wants wise.
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He didn't have that speed again.
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It could have been because of injury.
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But we saw him struggling to get separation, and I'm wondering if the pages just believe that that was because it was in decline.
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He's still able to use his size and his strength.
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And even though he struggled to get away from that separation, he was still will make catches.
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We saw it in the Seahawks San Francisco game last night when he was able to break away and make those catchers, especially on third down for Russell Wilson.
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So he's still a useful player now, if he would have played all 16 games this season, which obviously he didn't, he would have been on track of making about 53 catches, 765 yards, three touchdowns, right? The injury problems obviously significantly reduced those stats and the fact that he's now learning the Seahawksoffense is gonna reduce those stats as well.
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The other big pieces when you're talking about football decision is Mohammed Sunu changes the Patriots offense from what they were playing.
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It's actually going back to the more traditional New England offense.
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We know minus the tight end position because I've been preaching along.
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Mohammed Sunu is a better version of Danny Amendola.
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He's bigger, he's stronger, he's faster, He's a better player.
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But he can play in that Danny and he plays that Danny Amendola roll, and we're going to see more of that.
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And you know, I think that Nick Eel Harry returning, played a big part in it as well.
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And I think you know, managing a team like this is you have to balance a lot of different things, right.
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You have to balance the future.
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You have to balance it now.
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And I think they looked at Philip Door set. They looked at Nikki.
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Harry thought those two guys can play the outside.
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When the hell Harry finally starts making on the field, he could be the big, strong guy.
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And the fact that the main targets are going to Edelman and Snoop really kind of, I don't know, made Gordon obsolete to this team.
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So do I think it was a mistake that Bella check release Josh Gordon? I really don't at this time.
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And don't get me wrong.
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I love Josh Gordon, right? And I would have loved to see the Daft twits, a new Josh Gordon Philip Door Satin Akil Herrion, Jacoby Meyers, right? But if some for some godforsaken reason, the Patriots were not to win the Super Bowl this year, and they will.
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But if for some godforsaken reason they were not to win the Super Bowl, you can't blame it on Josh Gordon's release.
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You know, it's a simple is look at the Patriots offense.
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First, the Ravens that was the most fluid.
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We've seen this offense all season.
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They were a Julian Edelman fumble away from really taking control of the game.
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Isaiah Winds gonna be back in two weeks.
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So new is getting more, you know more.
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Click with Brady, and it's gonna be good.
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So I'm not ripping on flasher.
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Do I like Flash? I love him.
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Do I miss him? Yeah, I do.
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Will it continue to wears Jersey? Absolutely.
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I will Gorn in my mind.
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Once your patriot, you're always a patriot as long as you go out the right way.
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But was it a mistake for Bill Belichick to release Josh Gordon? No, it wasn't.
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And the Patriots will be absolutely, positively fine.
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What's going on, guys? Thank you to Everybody is here on SportsCastr.
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Make sure you stick around because I'm not done.
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I got a lot more than I want to talk about. Tonight.
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I got a full roster.
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I want to talk a little bit about another guy.
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That Bill Bouche I gave up on Jacob Hollister I want to look at.
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Besides Bill Belichick, who has been the best coach in the NFL this season, the last night's game cement Russell Wilson to be the M v p.
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Who's the better quarterback Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield? And are the Saints still the best team in the NFC and of course, I'm gonna give my f C top five power rankings of where I see the current crop of the A F C.
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But I already talked about one Bill Belichick mistake.
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That wasn't a mistake.
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The other question is, did Bill Belichick make a mistake trading Jacob Hollister? And obviously I understand why Patriot fans are thinking this.
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I saw it all over Twitter today.
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It was something that I needed to talk about.
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You know, really, if you're a die hard Patriots fan and you worship the players that left like I keep seeing.
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People want Danny Amendola back, even though we have a better version of Amendola and all that kind of stuff.
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You're watching that game last night, you got Jimmy Garoppolo throwing the ball.
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You got Josh Gordon and Jacob Paul Stir on the other side, catching balls from Russell Wilson.
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It was like a Patriots family reunion, and a lot of people are saying, Why do we keep? Ryan is So why did we sign Ben Watson? Why did we sign mouth costs and just kind of throw away Jacob Hollister? At this point? I can't remember if he was waived.
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If he was traded, I think he might have been training for 1/7 round draft pick.
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I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Was it a mistake by the way he's playing? Did we miss out on a prime candidate? No, we didn't.
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And it's not because of a Patriots fan.
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I'm not saying this because I'm you know the way I gotta be.
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I'm saying it because it's a different team in a different system, and that's the most truth I can give you.
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If if we think that he would have had the same success with the Patriot, I think we'd be fooling ourselves if you watch a lot of Jacob and I'm not taking not only from Jacob.
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Policy has been playing great.
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But if you look at a lot of his catches and I've caught most of the Seahawks games this year, he gets a lot of his catches When Russell Wilson is running around and creating space and and getting himself out of trouble cause his offensive line is worse than the Patriots, Jacob Holster doesn't actually separate himself from coverage as well as we think he does.
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And he gets himself open because of Russell.
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Wilson gives him the time to.
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That's what Russell Wilson's legs do when he throws the ball is he can run around the field and move around the field and get guys open.
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Brady got rid of the ball too quickly.
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It's why Hollister never really clicked with the Patriots offense.
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He didn't fit the Patriots system.
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That's okay, guys, You know what? Some guys just need new territory.
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They need a new quarterback.
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I don't think that Jacob Hollister produces with the Patriots what he's doing with Seattle, and I know you want to look at it and say, Yes, he will, Ray, look at him.
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Look how great he's doing.
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It's a different system.
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The system that Pete Carroll built around Russell Wilson works for a Jacob Paulist er.
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It doesn't work for a Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady is not going to run around the field.
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Avoiding tacklers.
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Tom Brady slides out of the pocket.
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He wants to get rid of that ball in two or three seconds.
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Hollister doesn't get that kind of separation that quickly.
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The reason Grok was so good away from his size and his strength, he was able to jump up and fly down the field so much faster than a lot of people actually thought he looks a lot slower on TV.
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That's what they always say.
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He always looks slower on TV than he really was.
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So, yeah, Jacob pollsters having a hell of a season with the Seahawks, but I don't think it would have worked with the Patriots.
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All right, so I want to give my power rankings of the A F.
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C.
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Right everybody, let's get their power rankings on Tuesday.
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I hate the power rankings.
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I think it's the stupidest system. The world.
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It is so reactionary.
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So am I gonna be a little bit different.
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So I'm gonna go from 5 to 1.
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And I think the fifth best team in the A F.
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C.
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When Jacoby percent is back, is the Indianapolis Colts.
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I think that they have a fantastic defense.
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They have a great run game and they have a decent quarterback.
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Jacoby percent has done great leading this Indianapolis team.
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Let's not fool ourselves.
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He's not this future Hall of Fame or nothing like that.
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But he's done great and really in these kind of fifth because a default because there's nobody else there.
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My fourth best team may surprise some people, and I know irritant that live in a certain kingdom by the the fourth best team in the A F. C.
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Regardless what people think.
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It's the six and four Kansas City Chiefs.
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Yeah, they got Patrick Holmes got Tyree kill.
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They got Travis Calc walk ins will be back.
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Their offense is phenomenal and it can play phenomenal.
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We saw them play phenomenal against Tennessee, right? We saw it, but their defense sucks, and that offense is not good enough to win them a championship.
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Look at all the years that Tom Brady had a phenomenal offense, but no defense.
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Those were non Super Bowl years.
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For the Patriots, the best teams are the most balanced teams.
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Look at last year's Super Bowl champions.
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You had two great defense is too great offenses going at it.
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It turned into a defensive game, but that's the way it was.
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Look what happened to the Patriots and two years ago.
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Super Bowl 50 to Tom Brady sets, records, records, Super Bowl records, over 500 yards and three touchdowns.
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And they lose the game because of faulty defense.
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And I could see that if Kansas City got into a big game that turned into a shoot out, their defense not being able to stop anybody.
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My third best team in the A.
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F. C. Is actually the Houston Texans.
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I believe that they are a very balanced team.
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I believe that their defense and their offense are both good enough to drag them through to the playoffs, and I agree with some of the comments I'm seeing.
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I almost had the couldn't do it.
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Not with Patrick Mahomes, but I got Houston and number three, and I think that to Shawn Watson is a stud.
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I think that's the reason he's been in the conversation.
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You know of whether or not um, whether or not ah, you know he should be M V P.
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But yes, so I got them is number three.
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Number two.
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I got to give it to the team that beat the best team in the A F C.
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The Baltimore Ravens.
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Lamar Jackson is a freak.
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He's a stud.
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The guy is a running back who plays quarterback.
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They do now.
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They're adding RG three into their offense.
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They're doing some just strange things that's going to take a while for teams to figure out.
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But, you know, it's We just got a look at it in the sense of they got a good defense, the pass rush socks.
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They got an okay, They got an okay defense, I should say.
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But that offenses creates that offensive line is phenomenal.
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Their running game is phenomenal.
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They can move the ball in the air.
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You gotta put that number two.
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They look great right now.
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Of course, number one is the New England Patriots.
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And why is it the New England Patriots? Because they're the most complete team in the NFL.
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They have the best coach in the league.
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They're the most successful coach in the league.
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They're the most successful quarterback, most clutch quarterback in the league, with an offense that is just starting to gel.
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They're going to start bringing in.
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They're going to start getting their their top lineman back.
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Who's outs? They got a crazy ass, good defense who's only got, you know, one bad game under their belts.
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They just came off the by.
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We're starting in the cold weather.
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We're starting to get in November.
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We're getting close to Thanksgiving, and that's when the Patriots excel.
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Those in my top five. Number one.
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New England. Number two. Baltimore.
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Number three Houston number four.
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Kansas City number five Indianapolis.
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But we do have a watch out.
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We do have honorable mentions of teams that I think we need to look for.
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That could slide themselves into that fourth or fifth spot, and that's the Pittsburgh Steelers who are really coming on now with really a broken team and I'll get more into the Steelers tonight and the Oakland Raiders, who actually have a chance of knocking Kansas City right out of the West, right? Another division right out of the West and taking that over and forcing Kansas City into the wild card.
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They're not in my top five latte yet, but they're getting their and they're starting to build themselves up.
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But I've been really impressed with both of those teams.
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All right, guys.
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So here's a question I gotta ask.
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I didn't advertise it.
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So if you stuck around to now, you know, you you didn't know it was coming, but he's a little treat for you.
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Was Jimmy Garoppolo exposed Last name? I've seen my fellow Patriots video maker, a master at work, formally kissed.
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Arrange my boy.
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Taison coined him is jittery G, which I love.
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Thank you for that.
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And when I use jittery G, always make sure that we get the credit to Tyson.
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But was he really exposed? It was one game.
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Was he really exposed in one game? The answer is absolutely yes, and I know what the argument's gonna be. Book Ray.
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The Patriots defense was exposed by the Baltimore offense, and you're saying it's still good.
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How can you say that Jimmy Garoppolo has been exposed after one game, a game that they lost in overtime? I know the argument.
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I've seen it out there.
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I don't San Fran fans are saying right now I know what some Patriot fans are saying they were still, you know, sharing for Jimmy G.
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Let me tell you why.
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There's a reason that Jimmy Garoppolo has not been in the conversation for Most Valuable Player this season.
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He hasn't been.
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The team is eight.
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What team do you know in the history of the NFL that sits at eight? And Oh, and there's not even a conversation around somebody on that team being M V P.
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Nobody in San Francisco and Jimmy G.
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Wasn't there, you might say.
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But the Patriots rate no, and Tom Brady wasn't in the conversation.
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No, but you know what? If defensive players had an opportunity to win the most valuable player stuff on, Gilmore would be there.
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Jamie Collins would be there.
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They've had two players on the Patriots have been defensive players of the month.
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Right now, according to Vegas, stuff on, Gilmore is the favorite to win defensive player of the Year, so it wasn't all coming from their offense.
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But that defense was so good.
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There's nobody Jimmy Grapple was not in that conversation, and nobody in New England was crediting Tom Brady with the eight.
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No, we said that they were doing enough, right? We said that the offense was doing enough in the defense was absolutely historical and unbelievable.
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But what was the world waiting for? Boogie Set it on the on the, uh, broadcast last name.
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The world has been waiting to see Jimmy Garoppolo in a pressure situation.
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And, yeah, he led the 40 Niners down the field and they kicked the game time field goal because Seattle let him because he should have thrown, too two interceptions on that final drive.
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I don't even care when it starts are for the season just like I never care.
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It's like I never care what Tom Brady stats are, and I'm not a big fan of Skip Bayless.
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I'm not a fan of any of those Talking has, but Skip Bayless says it all the time.
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Tom Brady is clutch.
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You hardly ever see Tom Brady and critical moments blow it.
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But if you watch that game last night, in the fourth quarter and in overtime, Seattle tried to give the 40 Niners every opportunity to win the game.
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Dropped interceptions.
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Terrible penalty.
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Russell Wilson throws a second interception of the year in overtime, and Jimmy G.
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Could not get it done.
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And, yeah, he drove them.
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The guy missed the game winning kick.
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I get that, but it's like a 54 yard kick or what Universe? 47.
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If I'm wrong, it's not like that's a gimme.
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Russell Wilson brought his guy in what should be classified as a chip shot for a pro kicker.
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Russell Wilson doesn't under throw a ball, which he doesn't do often.
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I've only got two picks on the year, and that was the second pick.
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The game's over before it gets there.
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The 40 Niners got the ball back in overtime and couldn't get it done.
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Jimmy Graham potion either Tied that game of Seattle, intercepts the ball. It's over.
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He looked shook in the pocket.
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I tweeted it out, I said.
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He looks panicked in the pocket.
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He didn't look like he was ready.
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When we think of his performances in New England, we think of his performances is here. They're blowouts.
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There's no panic in a blowout.
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You're not panicking in the first or second quarter.
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It's when it comes down to five minutes and you're trailing by two or you got to kill a clock.
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So yeah, man, I do think Jimmy Garoppolo was exposed.
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Last name.
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I'm not afraid to say it.
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And I'll tell you what.
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I was having a conversation with my with my wife tonight about this because for two years I have been saying, I love Tom Brady.
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Tom Brady is the Patriots quarterback.
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I respect it and he can decide when he wants to leave the team.
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But deep down, I always felt Jimmy Garoppolo should be our quarterback because I always thought our future was in San Francisco until last night because I don't believe that Jimmy Garoppolo What? I had the fortitude.
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I don't believe that Jimmy Garoppolo had the patients.
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I don't think he had the confidence, and I don't think he will have the confidence.
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I don't care what his salary is to lead a team to the Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl.
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Tom great Tom Brady is the best quarter is isn't the best quarterback to ever step on the field, but he's the greatest to step onto the field, and there's a difference between the best and the greatest.
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And I said, I don't care about stats.
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Aaron Rodgers has better stats and Tom Brady, but only stop that matters is six Super Bowl championships toe one Super Bowl championship.
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But Tom Brady, time and time and time again comes through in the clutch, comes through when the Patriots need it.
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And last night Jimmy Garoppolo had the opportunity to come out and win the game.
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The referee set them up.
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Do you think Jimmy Garoppolo could have overcome that sack? That should have been a sack on Russell Wilson, third and 16? I don't think he could have.
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At the end of the day, the best players win.
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Peyton Manning had it, and I know we had some playoff struggles, but Peyton Manning had it.
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Tom Brady has it.
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I'll see a man.
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Aaron Rodgers has it.
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Drew Brees has it.
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I know they only got one ring each, but they got it.
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Those are the guys that can come through.
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Tom Brady does it better than everybody but those guys had it.
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Montana had it.
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Steve Young had it.
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Jimmy G shows us.
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He didn't have it.
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Right now Patrick Mahomes doesn't have it.
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Besides one game against Denver, he's lost every big game under the lights.
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Jimmy Garoppolo And what was probably the biggest game of his career? Last name look like a panicked rookie in the pocket.
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And I'm sorry.
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You're right, right? I missed it.
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And Russell Wilson has it, and I'm sure those guys are missing.
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So I'm not, You know, if I'm missing somebody, I apologize.
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But Jimmy G, Maybe if he stays under Brady until now, he can get it together.
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But he was exposed.
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All right, I got to move on from that.
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An interesting topic came up, and I'm gonna ask.
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Besides Bill Belichick, who's been the best coach in the NFL this season, and I think it be a really easy answer to turn around and say Shanahan's been the ******* eight and one.
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Look what he's done with Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Look what this defense is done.
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Look what he's done with this franchise.
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But I don't think it's him and the guy that I'm gonna give credit for I hate giving credit for, but I think the coaches coach the best this season has been Mike Tomlin.
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You gotta look at what he's had to deal with this season.
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Doesn't have Antonio Brown anymore.
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He doesn't have Lavy on belly loses Ben Raw this Burger Wiley week to week three.
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James Connor has been in and out.
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It has been playing that great, and yet there's sitting at five and four.
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I mean, they're fighting it out for a wild card spot.
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They might be in a wild card spot right now.
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I hate Mike Tomlin.
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I hate the Steelers.
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I hate given any credit to that black and gold team.
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I mean, he lost.
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Mason ruled off for a couple of games when he, like, almost died on the field.
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You got to give him credit, man.
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You gotta give him credit with how he's worked.
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I saw that Mike Tomlin's 10 year and career was done in Pittsburgh.
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I really did.
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I thought he was done.
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This was gonna be the season after the train wreck with Antonio Brown, lady on Belle.
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But now here's lady on Belle not performing.
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Here's a baby out of the league.
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Roth's burger goes down Mason Rudolph goes down for a bit.
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James Connor gets hurt, but he's taking this defense led by another.
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What he's done a lot, man, I got to give Tom in the credit.
00:32:06
I don't like to, and as a fan, as a Patriot fan, I won't want to do it.
00:32:13
But as a football fan, I gotta give the credit a couple of quick things here after Layer at last night's game, I think to me Russell Wilson has cemented himself is the clear cut front runner for the M V P.
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I know people are trying to throw the Mark Jackson and that someone was saying today, I'm one of those shows that if it wasn't for Jackson, you know Russell Wilson would be the clear cut favorite.
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And if he wasn't proven to be the clear cut favorite last night, I don't know who is.
00:32:47
We know it's gonna be a quarterback, right, cause I will argue a lot, right? Sometimes I will argue a lot that defensive and I still argue that defensive players, running backs, receivers, they should all be considered in that place.
00:33:05
But a quarterback is the most obvious.
00:33:06
And that's why quarterbacks win.
00:33:08
M v p fine.
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I'll accept it all.
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Except so if we're going on the premise that it's got to go to a quarterback, it's got to go to Russell Wilson.
00:33:21
He's got no offensive line lock.
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It goes down last night.
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He's got Josh.
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Gordon is dealing with an with an ankle injury who's had, like what? Like like a week of practice time.
00:33:34
It's got Jacob pollster who was, Ah, a cast off of New England and, yeah, they got it.
00:33:41
They got a decent defense looking the wrong.
00:33:43
But what he does offensively, two minute drives down the field, I think he's got the most two minutes are the most game winning drive.
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Since he's coming to the league, he's got to be the front runner.
00:33:57
And so you go from one great quarterback like Russell Wilson, who's, you know, M v P candidate, bubble block.
00:34:05
And then I'm getting questions like, Who's the better quarterback Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield and a lot of people are giving their opinion on this.
00:34:13
I know that first take, give their opinion on it.
00:34:16
It's kind of what sparked quite it started a conversation between myself and somebody else, and then they asked me the question, and I kind of sat on it for a couple days.
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And now I'm here to talk about it.
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And my answer is we won't know until next season, because I want to say that Baker Mayfield is the best quarterback.
00:34:37
I mean, from appeared talent perspective, It has to, you know, it all logic tells me that it's Baker Mayfield, but what we need to see is, and he's been handicapped this season by having the worst coach in professional football.
00:34:54
Freddie Kitchens you guys could make.
00:34:56
People are making every excuse eyes a new coach, and he's a rookie coach.
00:34:59
But I know he's the worst coach in the NFL straight up, so I don't want him out of this excuses for Freddie Kitchens.
00:35:12
So he's been handicapped on there.
00:35:15
You can't get out of his own head, either.
00:35:19
You know, Baker needs to shut up and play football, and I say that all times stop talking crap about other people.
00:35:24
Stop talking about Rex Ryan.
00:35:26
Ignore what people are saying about you and start playing football so we'll know next season.
00:35:38
I don't think you know Sam Darnold, Miss.
00:35:41
Sometime you seen goes against the Patriots.
00:35:43
He's handicapped as well with Adam Gaze.
00:35:46
I mean, you got two young good quarterbacks who are just being handicapped by two brutal coaches.
00:35:53
How New York thought Adam Gaze was a good hire.
00:35:56
I don't understand how the Brown start Freddie Kitchens with a young team with a young quarterback with two star receivers was a good hire.
00:36:06
If they both get new head coaches next year, then we will see who the better quarterback is, who can overcome the end superior coaching and my last topic before I ask questions.
00:36:22
So if you guys wanted to start our taking questions, so if you guys wanted to throw your questions out now, you probably can.
00:36:32
But Seattle wins last night and dramatic fashion and good face it and what was probably the most entertaining game of the season so far, They look like they could be the best team in the NFC.
00:36:44
I know that Tyson has them as the best team in the NFC.
00:36:49
Some people have the Saints as the best team in the NFC and after losing to the Falcons and Rather and Russell Wilson of the Seahawks winning to the, You know, beating the San Francisco 40 Niners.
00:37:01
Are the Saints still the best team in the NFC? In my opinion, regardless of the loss to the Atlanta Falcons, I still believe the Saints arm because I still think they're the most complete.
00:37:18
I think they have a good run game.
00:37:20
They've got a good quarterback.
00:37:22
They've got a good offensive line and they've got a good defense.
00:37:27
Russell Wilson is missing an offensive line, which could eventually hurt the Seahawks.
00:37:32
Going forward.
00:37:36
I get the argument for Seattle, and I will gladly debate people about it.
00:37:45
I'm not even necessarily saying people are wrong.
00:37:47
It's all a matter of opinion, power rankings or a matter of opinion.
00:37:58
But to me, I still think I still think it's the Saints.
00:38:08
That's it.
00:38:11
All right, guys, this is your opportunity.
00:38:12
Now, if you have a question, you can ask the question.
00:38:16
If not, I can wrap it up and go to bed nice and early tonight, regardless of it. I'm here.
00:38:24
You have a comment question.
00:38:25
I love when I'm on here and I'm looking down my chat and it's like you guys just agreeing with everything I'm saying.
00:38:32
I love it.
00:38:33
I love it.
00:38:35
I am, You know, go on.
00:38:36
YouTube.
00:38:37
Everyone to debate you and tell you you're wrong.
00:38:39
And I'm like, Shut up, Ben.
00:38:43
And I know as I grow here on SportsCastr I know as a SportsCastr becomes a stronger platform will have some more debates in the in the chat log butt.
00:38:54
Not right now is Tuesday night.
00:38:57
It's freezing here in Canada, and Ah, you guys the best.
00:39:04
I don't see any questions, so I'm probably gonna call it a night.
00:39:07
Guys, I love you all.
00:39:09
Thank you.
00:39:10
A SportsCastr for giving me the opportunity to come out here each and every night and talk to Pats Nation.
00:39:19
Thank you for discovering me.
00:39:20
Thank you for just giving me this platform and saying, Go ahead, Ray, talk to the people.
00:39:29
Thank you.
00:39:30
Everybody who tuned in tonight.
00:39:32
Oh, I got a question.
00:39:33
I will answer that.
00:39:34
Okay, now I'm gonna answer this one question that I'm gonna cut it off because I was already ready to cut it off.
00:39:38
Now, what do you think about the 40 Niners being carried into the game? Dab goes game by the refs.
00:39:46
I think that's been the story of the NFL this season.
00:39:49
I think that the NFL has been absolutely brutal.
00:39:54
Ah, as officials, There was brutal calls last night.
00:39:58
I hated the sack on Russell Wilson.
00:40:01
I wanted to throw **** through the TV.
00:40:03
I think there's been even worse calls made this season on that.
00:40:06
I feel like if I made a CZ many mistakes is NFL referees.
00:40:10
I would be fired straight up straight down.
00:40:13
I mean that comment last night and I mean it now.
00:40:15
They they should be punished the same way that the players are punished when they make crucial mistakes.
00:40:22
Players are cut from teams.
00:40:24
Players are released. It's a business.
00:40:26
There should be.
00:40:27
A general manager for referees was always out looking for new officials.
00:40:31
And if you can't do your job, you're released or your back to the practice squad until you can learn how to referee.
00:40:39
I think that video review is a joke.
00:40:42
I think they do everything they can not to overturn calls, and that's where it is.
00:40:52
All right, So I think SportsCastrs and I'm gonna thank you case for ah, coming in.
00:40:58
I love you.
00:40:59
all pass station.
00:41:00
You're the best. If you're not a patch fan and you're here, I love you, too.
00:41:02
I know that I got I interact with a lot of non patriot fans now who claimed to be fans of mine, even though they're not Patriot fans.
00:41:07
And I truly appreciate that as well.
00:41:10
Your are amazing and Ah, yeah, And you're absolutely right.
00:41:18
Meteorologists are jealous of referees that say, guys, I'm done for tonight.
00:41:23
Take care. You're welcome.
00:41:25
See? Ah!

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