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No, it's not me.
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A J has not on massive amounts of steroids sitting next to me.
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That is boxing legend Jerry Cooney.
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He's live in studio.
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We're so thrilled to have year.
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Thanks for coming in.
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Um, yeah.
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It's a big throw for us.
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It's nice to be here back to this. Nice studio, guys.
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Got nice things over here on, uh, you know, exciting.
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I left your early got here.
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You're very early today.
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Maybe with tape of someone we don't take.
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People go online, but Jerry got two parents. Our favorite.
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Seven 11.
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If you've been a long time listener of the show, you've heard the stories and Jerry witnessed it for I went.
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I mean, I was over.
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I didn't go in.
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We got something at a bunch of guys looking over my car.
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Long road charity sale of your company.
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So Well, yeah, Mercedes.
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They like to take those kind of things.
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You shouldn't say that They know you're here.
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All right, let's do the actual formal introduction.
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Joining us now live in studio is the man who went international tournaments in England, Wales and Scotland as well as a New York Golden Glove titles.
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He won the two New York Golden Gloves championships in 1973 160.
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Sub novice championship in the 1976 heavyweight Open championship.
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He trained right here on Long Island at the Huntington Athletic Club is amateur record consists of 55 wins and three losses.
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First pro fight.
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February 15th. 1977.
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Beating Billy Jackson by a knockout in the first round.
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His rise to fame would continue over the next four years, peaking with a first round knockout of Ken Norton and Madison Square Garden in 1981 improving his record 2 25 And, oh, he tells the story in a brand new autobiography, Gentlemen.
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Jerry, it is a pleasure again to have him here live in studio.
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The former number one ranked W B C heavyweight contender of the world, the Huntington Moeller himself, Gerry Cooney, A mall on the way.
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I remember it from the one you called weak Will on the other side attracts.
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We call them the hunting them days.
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That's right. The world will mourn.
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My father built it was helped build up plate cookies right stuff, so thanks for coming in.
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But your new book, Gentlemen Jerry, Contender in the Ring and Champion Recover chronicles your legendary boxing career, but no talks about the challenges and triumphs you've had as a trauma survivor.
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And you're 31 years of sobriety.
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So what made you, you know, all these years later? Write this book now because I kind of felt like I was ready.
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You know, I had done a lot of work, had been away from alcohol in trouble and recreational drugs, and I kind of, you know, cleaned up my act a little bit.
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I I start to understand what went on in my house.
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Why I felt that I did.
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I think about how I was in the house.
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I grew up in hiding in the basement.
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If he didn't seem, it wasn't gonna hurt me to make into a heavyweight championship of the world.
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To be number one in the world is a phenomenal feat in my book.
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But growing up, I didn't feel I felt shame.
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I'm no good.
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I failed, you know? Good.
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And it was until now, that important import writing this book at the C.
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All the great things that I've been through in my life, in the places I've been and the people I've met from Frank Sinatra, the bobble, you name it.
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And so I want to tell the story.
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You know, I mean, I can't, you know, brag.
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I mean, you've got five of them.
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What is that? How? How none of mine ever talk about a championship fired.
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So how hard was it to sit down and with your author, John Grady, and basically open up your life.
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You know, the people will be reading about that being really intimately about your relationship with your father and your family growing up.
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And you did this for hopefully thousands and millions of people read.
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Well, the real story and the reason why I really wanted to write it was because I was from Long Island here and I wanted to fight everybody.
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I want to go fight but dunking on those head weights and because I refused to sign with him, he kicked me out.
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So in my a day where I should've been fined 34 times a year, I'm fight once a year.
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And so that's what my problem was.
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And the press and you talked about while the Matthews it affords those people they like, blinded by the light.
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They you Nobody matters, once told me, said, You know, Jerry, when you were number one in the world said I was delivering newspapers to see yet So what? You know, I mean, like, that's a problem, what set it up? And so, uh, those kind of things and I lived through it and experience it, and I never allowed myself to feel the joy.
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And through this book, I was able to feel it.
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And the great part about the brokers.
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It's a happy ending and that, you know, we make it through.
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We get up with that stuff up pants and we find a way to get to the next place and work through it.
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You know, it's interesting.
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A.
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J.
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Mentioned your co author and your co author of the book is John Grady.
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What I found fascinating because he's not an author, okay? He's a licensed professional counselor, license and alcohol and drug counseling, dual certified supervisor in the mental health and addiction fields, and he described the writing process after each chapter, which I found fascinating.
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You know how he sat down I'm just wondering, having written that with him, how much of this book is? Obviously, you know, you talk about it openly now.
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How much of the book was therapeutic for you Understanding? You know what went on in your childhood when the whole thing was therapeutic? I mean, the whole The whole process was a great experience because it made me dig inside.
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I remember when I first stopped drink and I talked to a doctor and he said, When you close your eyes, what do you see? I see.
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I see a big black hole makes a good.
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Now you gotta start going in that hole.
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And that's what this book is about and about.
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We're making my way out and standing up and making it out of the hole and get into the top and and being successful and having a great family and not making those mistakes.
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My father, me with my family and it's been a great, great processing.
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Plus a lot of people here lounge.
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They didn't notice those stories, and I would think about it.
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A bunch of nice girlfriends back in the day I was unveiled for, but I didn't know it like I couldn't trust.
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I couldn't feel like, um, you know, scared, you know, scared of everything.
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And I'm a believing they.
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And so a lot of those things got worked out in this book, you know, and listen, we we find their way through it life, you know, it's interesting you mentioned that nobody knew.
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And it's one of those things, especially in society.
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Now, even today, more so back then because, you know, one of the themes that comes through is both the physical and mental abuse he suffered from your father.
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But to the outside world, everything seemed normal.
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In Holland Street in Huntington Station, where Tony and Eileen Cooney raised you, your three brothers Thomas, Michael and and Stephen and your two sisters on Lean and Madeline.
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You know, from the outside, it looks like the typical strong working class long on family.
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You know, you guys went to mass together, you know, always doing chores around the house from the outside world that looked like the perfect family.
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But obviously no one ever talked about that back then.
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Do you think now if your child would happen now, do you think teachers might have been more attuned to what was going on.
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Our neighbors and someone might have said something or gotten your father counseling.
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Do you think it might be different if you were born in this generator? I want to tell you one story.
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Somebody.
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He came home, put his belt on, and workers built some place.
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He went in the garage, and it wasn't there.
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So he called the four boys in the garage and close the door behind them and said, Okay, who did it? Who did it? I didn't do it, Daddy.
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I didn't do it, Daddy.
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I didn't do it, Daddy.
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And so we're gonna work it out.
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You know, if we would take the blame once, the next guy would take the blame.
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That kind of stuff is just wrong.
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And unfortunately, that's the best he could do.
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So how to forgive him in life.
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But, you know, it's ah, it was very tumultuous and also difficult to find my way.
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I couldn't trust anybody at a good friend of mine, Frank.
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Venetian.
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Thank God he's from them around.
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And when I was 18 years old, I wanted to turn pro because, like also got invited to the finals of the Olympic trials.
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And I got the phone call and I told him, Sorry, I'm not able to make it.
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My father's sick, he said.
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Jerry's the finals of Olympic trials, where the top eight guys go to color.
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I said, I'm really sorry I couldn't make it yesterday When? What Time? And I hope the phone with him.
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And that was 10% true.
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90% was.
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I'm not good enough.
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I want to make an ass of myself.
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Why am I going to go there and do that? And I missed the biggest opportunity of my life.
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And that's those are the things that this book's talks about, where someday I'm gonna have a kid where I'm gonna make him say, Listen, kid, this is important.
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I pay attention.
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Let's get to the next level.
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That's what the idea of this book was about.
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And John Grady helped bring it out.
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I mean, I gotta toughen it up by the tough life.
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You know, sometimes those therapists makes you sound like a wussy, right? I was a bad man.
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I was a bad man.
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You know, I'm probably jumping way ahead of most days on this But in the book, you do a very, very detailed description.
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Frankly, boat or by blow of the homes fight.
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So did you.
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How much of that did you remember? How much good it did you go back, you have to watch films of the fight.
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I remember.
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How did not recreate that? That fight basically second by second.
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Listen, when you are a fighter and you go in and fight ring, I fought like homes for the heavily chance where I remember every second of it.
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I remember where I was.
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That what was going on, how I felt.
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I remember there was such a bad problem here and in the world about racism and blew up their Don King blew it up in all that money.
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I had five Georgia months.
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My Patani, Jimmy Burr, Brick.
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You know all guys, Gary Gladstone, rest his soul.
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We had all these guys in camp with us.
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Listen, I was the internal soup lobster tail.
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You think I was worried about racism? I never Anything about it, right? I never Nothing about it.
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And everything I thought about is the fight, Junior.
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Because I thought to myself I cannot wait for that belt drink.
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Somebody hit him on the chin with the best hook I ever threw.
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And so then we're understanding the ring.
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Getting instructions from Mills Lane and Larry Holmes looks amazes.
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Jerry.
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Let's have a good fight, I said.
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What'd you say now before I hated you? Wanna knock your ass out? And that's the boxing game we became.
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Friends were great friends today, with together 12 15 20 times a year.
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We always talk to each other, and that's what boxing is about.
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For me, the book had so many different levels, and it was interesting the way it seemed like in some senses.
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There were two Jerry Cooney's.
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Your father taught you not to trust people, but yet when you were taking the Long Island Railroad from Long Island into Manhattan to train.
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I love people.
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You love people, and you had confidence to strike up conversations with strangers.
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So you did, in some senses, trust people.
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But there was always in the back your money, so they're very practical.
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So how did you walk that line? It must have been like I can't imagine the inner torment.
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That is what it was, is it was free.
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I was communicating with them.
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They were communicated with me.
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And when we left each other, we're better off.
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I enjoyed it. They laughed.
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We joked.
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I always get invited back.
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You know, that's life.
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And that's the personality I developed.
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My brother Michael was it was the jokester.
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He was a funny guy.
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I think I got it from him.
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But when I I love people, I love visiting with people.
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I love spending time with people, old people, people calling.
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My father loved you. I said to me, Favorable.
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No Call.
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Mark it on the phone with them.
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What? What? What What is the life I have? I think I could Chill is telling you this stuff.
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But I get this every day of my life.
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I get a chance to do this.
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You're one of the questions I had, which and this is this might sound cold and callous, but I was wondering if you could watch it.
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I know.
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I'm a day after I asked a question on the step back.
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So I know how much you loved your father.
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No question about it.
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You know, warts and all.
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You love your father, but it is not love my father again with my father.
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You're on my side now.
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E couldn't love my father, My foes unavailable to love.
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You know, he built a ring.
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My mother used to keep time and he boxed me and I couldn't hit him.
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I could have could have beat him up.
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But I couldn't hit him.
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And he try and punch me around and I over thought to myself, You know, I wished I would have hit him with the shot one time.
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Tell him.
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And then I talked to some man who did do that, and he felt terrible the rest of his life.
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So I'm glad it in.
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But no, my father was I mean, I guess so.
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Maybe it's not the right word.
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I mean, you respect your dad, but so what? I feared my father for us. So here's the question.
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Because I love my father.
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You grieved his death, obviously.
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But in some respects, when someone that has been both verbally and physically abusive to you in your life was it also somewhat of a sense of.
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It's a horrible thing to ask, but was it also somewhat of a sense of relief? when he passed.
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We're, um yes, it was. It was It was a relief.
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I mean, I had left the house already, and I had to forgive my father.
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I spent an hour at the grave site and I talked to him, and I apologize for my part in it, Whatever that was.
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And I I forgave him in order for me to move on.
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That's why I need to do.
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And that was hard.
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Took a long time.
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And, you know, I've just been going over it again recently that I need to get a deeper level of that because I'm still bitter inside a little bit about Listen, I'm your son.
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I mean, my children, 99% of the world trying to put my kids down.
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I gotta pick him up.
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I got the greatest kids in the world, three of them, And I'm in some sense, a lot of times.
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People who grew up in abusive family schism abuse their kids.
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I love my kids.
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Every day.
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I tell him every day I love how much I love it, and that's a gift I got in.
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So and then this is a friend of mine.
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Was retired captain.
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You know, Jerry, whatever your father did you he gave you the strength to become number one in the world.
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And to learn all about these things, though, that's another, you know, way to figure myself.
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There are a lot of things that happened you over the years, some within your control and some not within your control.
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What happened after boxing your bouts with alcoholism and other things, Someone in your control and other things that happened? Probably not in your control.
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If there's one thing in your life, you would change If you could change it or wish had happened differently, what would it be? I wish somebody could have grabbed me by the arm and said, Hey, Cooney, listen, this real now this is a big deal.
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Let's pay attention.
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Let's let's give it a shot.
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I didn't know I didn't allow anybody in and to manage that couldn't stand each other, so I am leaving.
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My idea was, I had one watch the other, so I saved my money.
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But, you know, I never found that person.
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I was.
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I couldn't I wasn't available to find that person.
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Life was so fast for me.
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and scary that I just had a hold on.
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And I knew that once I got in that ring, once the bell rang, I was gonna hit you.
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I was gonna make you feel my power and that's what kept me alive.
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Was up just that released for you.
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There's a picture in my gym.
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It's a picture of me and here's what happens the you're drawing you dress in moments up in the guy, says Cooney, You're next and you go, Oh, shit, you're next night here.
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My life is going to be in front of me so that walk from the dressing room into the ring is the most intense time of your life.
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And then all you care about is that bell to ring once the buildings, I gotta fight.
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So how do you shut out that that feeling of you're not good enough? Because boxing is all confidence.
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We've spoken so many boxes that you, you continuing your undefeated, you feel that sense of invincibility that first lost all of a sudden the next time it's a little bit in the back of your head, so when you have all these thoughts from your that you're not good enough.
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You'll never be good enough.
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How do you shut that out when you're going to the ring? If you'd wipe that away, you can't pay attention to that.
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You've got You know, I'm focused on my three or 45 plans.
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I'm listening to my trainer.
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He's my other set of eyes and I'm just focusing, waiting for that bell to ring. I'm frustrated.
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I I feel like like like an animal.
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I want to go.
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I want I want I want to hit him.
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I wanted to feel see the fear in his eyes.
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I want to see his expression change and then I know him.
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I mean, that's how different is it whether you're fighting a club fight or your first professional fight in a small group and fighting in Madison Square Garden or fighting in the parking lot of a Las Vegas casino when you have 30,000 people is opposed to Sunnyside Gardens.
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Since I've got it in terms of being able to block everything out, is there a difference? Was it was much harder.
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The larger the crowd.
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No, it's just, you know, it's the same process.
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I mean, when I was a kid.
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I'm fighting, you know, And some things, like gardens.
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I'm my first pro fight.
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I'm like, Oh, my God.
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I gotta win here and then fighting Larry Holmes.
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I had a lot of stuff going.
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Have a girlfriend, was in a bad car accident, and so we were having some kind of problems and issues.
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And, yes, there's always stuff going on, but I got a chase that on my brain, and I gotta pray, and I gotta pray and and and stay focused in on giving in that ring and wait for the bell to ring.
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You mentioned your two trainers, you two managers, but they introduce you to a guy who you mentioned You never found that guy.
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How close to that guy that you can trust in that, you know, directed you was Victor Valley? Victim Valley came from a similar background like me.
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He left Puerto Rico when he was a young kid.
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You didn't have a father, so he had a lot of anger in him too.
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But we we kind of hit it off with each other right off the bat.
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I mean, I first went to custom.
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Otto and I was in our league for the meeting.
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He was saying you're a now Wait to see me.
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I said, Listen, bro, the dream was late.
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Not me.
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I didn't like it might be.
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I got rid of him and he was the man because he taught me.
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He made me a great train.
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I'ma break training today.
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I know.
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I know what the what the deal is.
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I know the defense is the most important thing.
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You got to stay away from the power.
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You know, I learned that whole process through is this thing.
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He was like a son of your father.
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You don't figure for me.
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So so as a trainer now, and through your experiences and and now, you know, coming up and then back down.
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And then here we are.
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But you talked about how it was like a, you know, a released once you got to that point of just getting in the ring, but a release in almost a negative way.
00:20:39
Where how can like the boxers these days? If you're training them, have that be something positive and then get out of the ring and they don't need to go seek other ways to help themselves.
00:20:49
Well, I mean, obviously, you know, it's it's getting to know each other.
00:20:52
I mean, I work with kids today and troubled kids, and I tell them it's not love you.
00:20:56
And I know you want to play basketball.
00:20:58
You wanna be a fighter, but you're gonna have to actually, that doesn't work.
00:21:01
You gotta have something to fall back on.
00:21:03
And so education is a great thing today that most managers and most trainers, they don't want to fight to get educated, because with get educated, they're going.
00:21:13
So they could be the next trainers.
00:21:15
Yeah, but I mean, that was like it's a process that you have to trust the guys.
00:21:21
You have to help educate them.
00:21:22
I understand what the contract means, what they're fighting for, how much expenses you need to learn all that.
00:21:27
We never did that.
00:21:28
We've talked a lot with other boxers about how boxing used to be the way out of the slums out of the ghetto.
00:21:36
That was the way to get out of the biggest one.
00:21:39
Was LaMotta Well, that was that was a tough So what happens when you see kids today? First of all, where the kid.
00:21:47
What happened? Cancer coming to you? The box.
00:21:50
And what do you tell them? Well, I may have assortment. I have a gym.
00:21:54
Uh, Jerry Coombs Boxing Academy and Scotch Plains, New Jersey.
00:21:58
And we get little kids we get.
00:22:01
I got a kid the Saturday in Hoboken who's six years old.
00:22:04
I told him for half an hour he was picking everything up here.
00:22:08
That sense at six years old, you could pick it up, which is very hard.
00:22:11
It's hard to keep him focused.
00:22:13
Then you have a little older kids have two, a boy and a girl, Another 10 that a phenomenal fighters.
00:22:19
And now they have to give in to the next level. I got a box.
00:22:22
And so I have that grown ups.
00:22:25
I trained the pro before, and so it's It's really unbelievable.
00:22:29
It's a magic you see in the person's eyes.
00:22:32
They have this look in their eye, but I'm gonna work it out.
00:22:35
I'm going to figure this out.
00:22:36
I'm going to get there where I got to get to you got to create the opening, and then you gotta land.
00:22:41
And when you do, you can still smiling face like I got you.
00:22:44
I got you about its big feeling, but circle back a little bit back into the book.
00:22:50
Um, you mentioned Victor and you trained to Gleason's Gym as a young fighter walking into that gym.
00:22:57
There's so much history.
00:22:58
What's the first date like, Do you feel like it's almost like you've made your in the mecca of the boxing world when you're training police? Instant, right? Well, let me take some.
00:23:07
It was hard.
00:23:08
I had 45 sparring partners that each one's what you know.
00:23:12
I'm in there with one.
00:23:14
The three or four other guys are watching where they're going to find to get me right So it makes That's how you get better as a fighter.
00:23:20
We had guys like Holmes come in when I was 21 years old.
00:23:24
Duran Ali.
00:23:26
I mean, everybody has been anybody, have Bean Camacho and so that was magic was magic to be there and then to be a part of it, but realistic.
00:23:35
What it comes down to is it's hard work.
00:23:37
I take my training from Mona Alan.
00:23:39
I get to the gym, I get dressed, I get downstairs, I gotta go to work and then it gets my dream.
00:23:45
Where have was so much fun? Driving on the ball call with these guys came over sometimes working myself in and having the time of my life putting people on the bar car.
00:23:57
People haven't heard that if I can interrupt for one second those you know, the Jets were playing the Cowboys 23 seconds left.
00:24:03
Don't tell me what the Cowboys come down.
00:24:06
They score. Touched out is 24 22.
00:24:08
The Jets stop them on the two point conversion to win the game.
00:24:12
The game still wants the three onside kick, but I also want to tell you guys I'm a very big Jets fans.
00:24:20
I love to see that because I've been very disappointed for a lot of Bill Parcells was there for a while.
00:24:24
We got, we got the magic and then he left.
00:24:27
And now to see this Donald you guys talking about is great, especially so you know, people of a certain age, you know, we love the books.
00:24:34
Look back at the boxing over and above your personal issues, You know, um, the great names of the heavyweight division in the seventies and and how they shaped your rise within the division.
00:24:44
June of 1980 you face the first of many big names of that era.
00:24:47
And that's Jimmy Young, when 1976 took Mohammad Ali the distance 15 rounds before losing on the decision.
00:24:53
Ali's victory in that fight was, by all accounts, a gift from the judges because Young really looked much quicker, shorter and he hit hard.
00:25:01
I mean, he hit hard.
00:25:03
What did that fight mean to you in sense of your career? What do you remember of that about that fight? Gil Clancy says it.
00:25:10
That night, when I knocked your young Adam four rounds, he said, I just made it to the top of the world.
00:25:15
And what that man was Jimmy Young.
00:25:17
Nobody look good against Jimmy Young.
00:25:19
He was so awkward here, nine wins in a row.
00:25:21
When I fought him and I was playing, I was tested them testing, and every time I fell hook he's blocking, trying to get the block, but just leave his insides wide open.
00:25:30
So I turned to hook into an uppercut and I split it between the eyes.
00:25:34
And so when that happened, when I was put you between the eyes is over, and they want to stop it in four rounds.
00:25:41
I was $100,000 payday at that time for a little kid was I got 22.
00:25:46
It was like I felt like it's machine.
00:25:47
That is, just five months later, you find another one of those name fighters, and that's Ron Lyle.
00:25:57
And he had fought well against two champions, Ali and Foreman, before that fight, right? Which is very interesting.
00:26:04
Your mom got a very interesting call from one of those fighters.
00:26:08
Who was it? And what did she tell your moms Know? My mother got a phone call from Mohammed Ali and he said, Don't worry, your son is gonna be fine.
00:26:17
And that's where Mohammed Ali was.
00:26:19
He had a I remember the first time I saw my family at the airport, he had a glow about him walking down down the airport. It was amazing.
00:26:26
And I sat with him at Thea Thea human building for boxing convention, and we hit it off so well, I just bought a place in the invested mama.
00:26:34
You gotta come to my house.
00:26:35
And then you only told me.
00:26:36
All right, I will.
00:26:38
That wasn't pretty good hour.
00:26:39
That is good.
00:26:40
What happened was I figured I'm 21 years old.
00:26:44
How am I gonna take care of all these people? Have 30.
00:26:46
40 people are gonna die.
00:26:48
I want to cancel it.
00:26:50
No, no, no.
00:26:52
That's That's your experience for you.
00:26:54
For me, the if no one has ever seen Gerry Cooney fight younger people.
00:26:59
You know this YouTube from me, the one that defined just your roar strength and power was against Kenmore.
00:27:06
You go when you watch that fight.
00:27:08
You know, 1981 you slam Norton with a devastating right on the side of his head.
00:27:13
You follow that with a deadly left hook, which snapped Norton's head back.
00:27:17
And then there's maybe 9 to 10 shots in a row, and the fight is stopped in the first round.
00:27:23
I've watched that fight several times.
00:27:26
It is.
00:27:27
Have you gone back and watch your fights? And if so, what went to someone that's never seen you fight as the one you would want to put a time capsule and say, This is what Gerry Cooney, the boxer Waas, You know, Jimmy and was a big fight from because That was a really big step up from me.
00:27:44
Honestly, Kenny Norton was a big fight, And losing the homes in 1982 was that I was in that fight the whole time.
00:27:52
Now you gotta understand.
00:27:53
I was drinking through the whole year.
00:27:54
I wasn't taking care of myself as I should.
00:27:57
I think what happened was the pressure of growing up in the house of I Did you? No, no, no confidence.
00:28:03
You're not gonna make You can't do this.
00:28:05
Got to me and booze took away that pain and so little did I know it got me.
00:28:10
I want to get Jerry Quarry.
00:28:11
I want to get other people.
00:28:13
I never thought I was gonna get me, and it did before I knew it.
00:28:16
And so that night, I fought like homes.
00:28:18
I got stopped in the 13th round.
00:28:20
It was a great time.
00:28:21
A lot of stuff was going on in my life too.
00:28:24
And, uh and so, you know, listen, looking back, Had I won that fight, I probably wouldn't be here with you guys say, because life was so fast and so hectic.
00:28:35
I mean, I had a phone in my room from President Reagan was in my room on 47 wins.
00:28:40
I didn't get the call that Theo ner, the president seizures, wanted to fly me to his daughter's graduation.
00:28:47
You know, all these things were going on.
00:28:49
It was just phenomenal.
00:28:50
And so, uh, you know, maybe I'm here today and I can talk about it.
00:28:54
I remember I I saved my money.
00:28:57
I have a great family today.
00:28:59
I made some mistakes.
00:29:00
I tried to clean up the records from my best and get get all my life.
00:29:04
And this is part of that as well.
00:29:06
And this book is about yes, we have to look at it.
00:29:10
We have to work through it, and then we can let it go and be free.
00:29:13
It's interesting that you point that fight because the book also chronicles that tremendous fall off.
00:29:19
You know, after that fight and and the escapism and you know, your attempts prior a few times to get sober.
00:29:26
What? What finally clicked for you? It was just one time.
00:29:30
I I, uh listen, when I forget that finish that Holmes fight with all the racism and the problems that was going on there and my management's and, uh, how I felt like I failed the people because I remember running through Huntington, the hunted, the recreation we deep in the one at me, you know, the, you know, construction crews I had made.
00:29:53
You're on the cover of Sports Illustrated with Noah.
00:29:56
I'm told that this alone time I'm like, Oh, his home's refused to be on the cover.
00:30:03
Now that was another issue of Sports Illustrated where they want to put me on the cover and they want to put him inside.
00:30:08
And he was mad.
00:30:09
So they put me on the coat and they drew him in on the inside.
00:30:12
But it was so boring.
00:30:14
No, with were best of friends.
00:30:15
Stay with friends.
00:30:16
And I love the guy and and we get to enjoy life, build each other up.
00:30:22
He told me one time, You know, you make me a better person.
00:30:26
I thought, Wow, that's big deal.
00:30:28
That's a big deal.
00:30:29
And I try to make everybody a better person in my life.
00:30:32
That's not supposed to do.
00:30:34
I'm supposed to help those people that are less fortunate than me and and I get the opportunity because of my experience.
00:30:41
The course of my background that I get a chance to do it.
00:30:44
And what a great feeling is.
00:30:45
I don't get paid for it.
00:30:46
You know, I don't tell nobody about it.
00:30:48
It's a great man and we walk away, smile on the hugging me.
00:30:51
Who's got a better me.
00:30:52
So you take a look at the head of a division. Boxing.
00:30:56
People follow boxing largely because of the success of a fighter in the heavyweight division.
00:31:01
Yeah, they're people.
00:31:02
Follow some of the lighter weight class is really what makes what, What has to happen now to get boxing back.
00:31:09
Where were the next great heavyweight come like a Mike Tyson that people want to follow? For better or worse, You want to see when you want to see him lose when I tell you something.
00:31:17
So boxing was on ABC, NBC, CBS.
00:31:20
All the kids could watch.
00:31:22
It was amateur boxing.
00:31:23
United States was great.
00:31:24
I remember watching every Friday night Grandal seven.
00:31:27
Like even the lordly for me.
00:31:29
I even remember Oscar Bonavena like you remembered.
00:31:31
It was like almost like baseball card.
00:31:33
Remember the way that scythe just like these guys? We got the radio face now so so I mean, listen, that just threw me off from you Are we talking about? We're gonna take the boxing.
00:31:55
The old S O.
00:31:56
Okay, So so then boxing got raped and robbed by by, uh, Don King and some of the other guys in the business.
00:32:03
And people got the source.
00:32:05
I got the, uh, ripped off robbed.
00:32:08
So a lot of those guys that would have took the best boxing went to basketball, baseball, football and whatever else they went to Now it's back with but us Guys, I am for you guys are not back.
00:32:18
Caught up in the zone is big.
00:32:20
Bob Graham is big on ESPN, ESPN.
00:32:23
Plus we got Adela, We have delahoya.
00:32:26
We had way Have Ah, Beller.
00:32:31
We have, you know, so many guys and boxing is getting The problem is we have to get them together.
00:32:37
So they're all separate and different Emotional cos we've got to get them together.
00:32:41
And what happened was Anthony Joshua got stopped by Angie Ruiz and Bob Graham.
00:32:47
Say, you know what? There's $100 million fight out of a dream fury.
00:32:51
And while the we gotta make that fight before one of these guys loses.
00:32:55
So now they start to come together again.
00:32:57
And you gotta follow.
00:32:58
You go.
00:32:59
I tell everybody, put boxing scene on on your come front page on your computer, put ESPN boxing and follow a couple of stories.
00:33:07
These guys are great today.
00:33:08
So is it a good thing or a $100 million fights? A lot of that is paper.
00:33:14
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that if you're gonna fight, great fight, you're promoting toe watching at home, you have to pay $75.
00:33:21
100 dollars or shouldn't be some way of getting a fight like that on even a radio.
00:33:27
I'm gonna remember fights.
00:33:29
Listen to fights alive on radio, you don't hear a lot of that anymore.
00:33:33
Should be more, more top fights, Not you Open commerce and things like that.
00:33:38
You get, you know, there.
00:33:39
Are you okay? Is it good or bad that that you have to pay 70 $5? Pluses for 95 you have The zone is 9 95 Those put on the majority of great fights.
00:33:50
Now, sometimes there's gonna be showtime.
00:33:53
They're gonna put a review on.
00:33:55
It's only normal.
00:33:56
So listen, So I'm I'm sitting home.
00:33:58
I don't make a lot of money.
00:33:59
I work three jobs.
00:34:00
Say, and I got this big fight I want to see So I have for my friends.
00:34:03
Come over.
00:34:04
He pays 10 you bake that.
00:34:06
I've done something like that, right in my generation of someone who grew up without you know, all the radio.
00:34:13
The ABC is to see it.
00:34:14
It was always pay per view.
00:34:15
But when a big fight came like the big ones you mentioned how It's awesome.
00:34:18
Now that ESPN ares, some of those amateur, even smaller ones, everyone gets to see.
00:34:23
But if I wanted to watch a fight, it was who's coming over? Because we need to put $10.
00:34:26
10 dollars a fight with my friend. Yeah, it was great.
00:34:32
So how much did the the Merryweather and you know, there was a certain Mmm.
00:34:38
How much is that? That Mitch the sport? I think I think it hasn't really.
00:34:45
It's helped.
00:34:46
Fans from MM may come over to boxing.
00:34:50
Maybe it's his boxing fans come over.
00:34:52
Mm May.
00:34:53
So in the long run, it works out fine.
00:34:55
I mean, it was a showcase.
00:34:56
They put it on the mean Mayweather.
00:34:59
Ah, um, record.
00:35:01
Noah Mayweather and Pacquiao took five years to happen and pack.
00:35:07
It was they could never match up to me. Will.
00:35:10
Although you take Mayweather, you put a 1,000,000 with Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns or Roberto Duran.
00:35:17
They eat him alive.
00:35:18
He just came into right.
00:35:19
Time is a great promoter.
00:35:20
So, listen, boxing is gonna fall down. It's going to take it shots.
00:35:24
It's gonna gives black guys, you know, static night, summon forth, he's in a coma.
00:35:28
A tough kid is not doing too well.
00:35:31
These things happen in the game, and we gotta be more careful.
00:35:34
We have to pay attention.
00:35:36
But it's someone.
00:35:37
What do you What do you think about mm A versus boxing? Personally. Me.
00:35:41
I think it's you know I mean, uh, you know, it's brutal.
00:35:46
I mean, and they wrestle each other on the floor.
00:35:48
I mean, s O.
00:35:50
I mean, if you're gonna get a boxing guy, put him in a boxing ring with the M m A guy and then make a Georgian gives escape.
00:35:55
But if you put them in the cage, I mean, you know, you don't see really any boxes getting engaged? We have.
00:36:03
We saw re Mercer.
00:36:04
Did James Tony did.
00:36:06
A couple of guys did.
00:36:07
But basically, we're not gonna get a lot of crossover.
00:36:10
Algerian Weidman.
00:36:11
Two guys that have done that. Boxing. Yeah.
00:36:14
So anyway, it's, you know, you're not going to see that.
00:36:17
And I think that there's enough room for people to be able to People.
00:36:20
Smart fans are smart enough to understand what's going on now.
00:36:24
You've been working at Sirius X M radio with, um, really going with Randi Gordon on Monday and Friday during your time there.
00:36:32
Have you seen the spike and interest during the time you've been there From when you started to now has boxing start to pick up again? You know em in May was going crazy back there when I first started 11 years ago, 12 years ago there.
00:36:44
And, uh, but enemy is, in my opinion, is not boxing.
00:36:48
Great, great, great.
00:36:50
And but back them what Emma Mae did is it forced boxing to correct itself.
00:36:56
So we had fights back then.
00:36:57
There were all mismatches and the final you put the final who could fight it, but all the other fights of mismatches.
00:37:03
So now, because mm bay, it forced boxing to correct itself will seem better fights.
00:37:08
And we got tons of town.
00:37:10
I mean, you can't believe the light heavyweight division.
00:37:12
You have 8 10 guys in the light heavyweight division that a super fantastic fighters.
00:37:17
The heavyweight division is big coming back between all these guys, Joshua while the Fury Louise.
00:37:22
I mean, you got I mean, Joe Joyce, you got these couple of guys from Africa that a phenomenal you got.
00:37:29
You know, you Lomachenko who's Ah, lightweight moving.
00:37:32
I want to see him fight back.
00:37:34
Yo, because package is still dangerous enough to get a shot, you can get down the 35 but he's powerful enough to launch a girl gets in as you move up.
00:37:42
As it gets, cities get hurt more often.
00:37:44
So there's a perfect fight for my talk to Bob Arum about that.
00:37:47
He said, Jury, I'm gonna have to pay you for that.
00:37:49
You may need that fight.
00:37:51
I've got a cheque ship.
00:37:52
You mentioned the $100 million fight and then also you mentioned the three coming up.
00:37:57
You mentioned Mayweather and Pacquiao on how that happened a few years late.
00:38:01
So with your experience and you've been in those meetings like how do we avoid these fights happening too late or limited sum? So it's agreed that happened five years too late.
00:38:10
But look what they did.
00:38:12
They put a little numbers.
00:38:13
Oh, yeah, People waited for it.
00:38:15
People wait and see if they didn't have a press comments.
00:38:18
They lasted on on Instagram or whatever, however they use to bid it.
00:38:22
And it did phenomenal numbers.
00:38:23
So there's a lot of magic out there for us.
00:38:25
We can do a lot of different things, and we're going to see a lot of great things.
00:38:28
But you gotta follow it again.
00:38:30
The older generation's got a kick back and pay them to read some of the stories.
00:38:34
Follow some of the great guys that are out there.
00:38:36
There's a lot of listen, we got every Spence just was in.
00:38:39
The troubled by the actual is this.
00:38:41
He was going over 100 miles an hour in the Maserati, or I think, whatever it is he owns and he went through the windshield, he lost a couple of feet, did not break any bones.
00:38:51
You think God, God was with him in that night.
00:38:53
So that guy's a terrific fighter.
00:38:55
You got so many create different divisions out there that you gotta pay attention to And, uh, and and look at them and a guy like that, and you circle back years ago, the one that generated interest with that was Vinny Pazienza, who was in the accident and then trained with the halo made that come back.
00:39:11
And that was a story.
00:39:12
No, I see him.
00:39:13
And he's a wild man, right? I remember seeing him with the screws. Yeah.
00:39:18
Yeah.
00:39:19
And then you think about listen, when he gets to be 50 of 55 can you imagine A Smith stiffness is, however, is not Damn.
00:39:27
He's going to call me absolution of his neck with my left over.
00:39:30
So let's circle back.
00:39:32
So it's not the end of the guys. All right.
00:39:34
Um, April 21st 1988.
00:39:37
What does that date mean to you? It means to me that I got a star a life.
00:39:42
I finally stood by.
00:39:44
I was with a friend of mine.
00:39:45
Georgie Mantra draws drive me to my office.
00:39:47
I said, let's stop at the pancake house to get some tea and there's a great friend of mine there.
00:39:52
Jack Brunette, New York.
00:39:53
He was It was a bodyguard for me and and I went in the place and he told me to sit down with him.
00:39:58
I sat at the table.
00:39:59
He said, Jerry, I'm not drinking three years.
00:40:03
You never have to drink again.
00:40:04
No, I heard that 1000 times.
00:40:05
At least I think he went like that.
00:40:07
And that was the last time I took a drink.
00:40:09
And I've been clean it out.
00:40:11
I I worked on myself.
00:40:12
I I got some therapy.
00:40:13
I I, you know, found out what was making me trip up his story.
00:40:19
I used to get up, get dressed, walk down the street and fall in the hole.
00:40:22
And I go about my day, just myself up Next day I got up, I got dressed.
00:40:26
I walked on strips On the whole I bang my home.
00:40:29
It was killing me for the day.
00:40:30
Next day I got up, I got dressed, I walk down the street, I fell in the hole.
00:40:34
And how to realize that I got to travel different route.
00:40:37
I gotta find a different weight and that was what I was blessed with.
00:40:41
Um, you know, God came into my life and made me aware of what was going on, That I have such a great life and that because of this great life, I have Listen, I gotta get back on track, and that's been I've been doing ever since.
00:40:53
And the good thing about having 31 years is you have 31 years.
00:40:57
The bad thing about 31 years is that you get old you got That is a great game.
00:41:04
You'll turn.
00:41:05
It's also, you know, it's there, the ending.
00:41:07
I love the ending because listen, we fight, we fight, we fold.
00:41:11
Then we just hope we get up.
00:41:12
We fight, we fight, we jump over the fence to get there.
00:41:15
That's so funny.
00:41:16
You said that I didn't put it in my interview, but it was something that stuff with me, Um, Azzam flipping the pages.
00:41:22
It was one of the lead ins to one of your chapters.
00:41:25
It was just two or three lines.
00:41:27
All right, So this is this that you said this.
00:41:30
This is what brings us home for me at a great career.
00:41:32
I had a lot of fun, a lot of troubles.
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00:46:02
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00:46:08
All right, So what do we Rick? We have ah, Wei have Russell, right? So we did a little irritable when I mentioned we were going to the Major League Baseball report.
00:46:15
We're actually going to the NHL report with Roscoe. How you doing, Russ.
00:46:18
Good.
00:46:19
How are you, Mark? Pretty good.
00:46:20
Okay, so you're a Ranger.
00:46:21
Fans were clamoring for this, waiting for the first goal from their 19 year old Swedish rookie.
00:46:26
They got a beautiful goal from from Kokko is first in the NHL.
00:46:31
What? I found interesting about it.
00:46:33
And this is something that maybe you could speak to is the one guy that wasn't on that line when he did score.
00:46:39
The goal was Chris Kreider, who'd gone off with an injury, right, Chris Kreider to date.
00:46:45
Really? I don't know.
00:46:47
And again, it could be strong.
00:46:48
Gave Kokko a beautiful pass.
00:46:51
But Crider seems to possess the puck way too much on that line.
00:46:56
Granted, there's no place else to put him.
00:46:58
Ah, unless you start switching up the lines.
00:47:01
But if the Rangers are gonna go anywhere all this season, they've got to get production out of that second line.
00:47:07
What do you see? The fix.
00:47:08
And it's interesting because, you know, domestic off got traded.
00:47:11
He scored two goals for the Ottawa Senators the other day.
00:47:13
But what's the fix to get a little more balanced on this team? You can't have that first line being your sole source of offense.
00:47:21
No, I think the fixes, you know, whatever happened to the Chris Kreider stretch past? Like, why can't they give him two or three stretch that stretch passes a game? I mean, that would be one way of sort of breaking him free.
00:47:33
You know otherwise.
00:47:35
Yeah, on that second line, maybe he's gonna have to be a little more of a net front guy.
00:47:39
He's sort of gotten away from that, But I think he could do that.
00:47:42
I think that can provide wall offense.
00:47:45
I thought, Yeah, cock.
00:47:46
Oh, that was just very defended the way he scored.
00:47:49
And Strong made a great path.
00:47:51
That is good.
00:47:52
The bad side of that game.
00:47:54
Waas Edison, now under Tippett has tried to play this perfect game, and the Rangers tried to play it along with them and they can't do that.
00:48:02
There was no don't know.
00:48:04
That came to a point midway through the second period where it was evident what the Oilers were doing and the Rangers never adjusted.
00:48:12
The press box was just saying, What about dumping and chasing you? They were trying to make these four or five passes into the zone and wasn't working The one thing I did notice about, you know, and again, you've been extolling his virtues from Day one.
00:48:27
What I love about Adam Fox is this guy.
00:48:31
His passes are perfect and his his hockey i Q.
00:48:36
You know, in the past, we've had defense when you up at the point, trying to make the perfect diagonal pass to the guy down low by the faceoff circle.
00:48:44
Nine times out of 10 it would go the other way for an odd man break I have granted.
00:48:48
It's a very small sample size, but he is very, very deliberate.
00:48:52
And make sure there is no one in his passing lane with every one of his passes.
00:48:57
I can't say the same about Tony D'Angelo, Tony's defense.
00:49:00
It suffered a little bit, but you know, that's the tradeoff you get with him.
00:49:03
And I understand that.
00:49:04
But it is physically hitting people.
00:49:08
Absolutely.
00:49:09
Um, the other question before we move on to the Islanders and February is you know, Smith has gotten, uh, his name written into the line of every single night.
00:49:19
Do you think that it's more of a showcase to maybe have a team interested in him is this way.
00:49:24
Now you you've moved on the mess.
00:49:26
Tick off. If you move on Smith.
00:49:28
Now you've opened up your roster spots, depending on how Kratz off and he'll do down in Hartford.
00:49:35
Is that the game plan? Or do you think Smith will be here? And maybe he'll just move back as the seventh defenseman? I think Ill Venture just moved back in the seven defense.
00:49:44
I'd like to think that that is the case that they are showcasing, but I don't think so.
00:49:49
Yeah, The other thing about boxes, he's just He's very safe and measured and really doesn't have any hiccups.
00:49:56
And he's very calm out there, and that's all.
00:49:58
Those things are good.
00:49:59
That's good coaching all the way from from the U.
00:50:01
S.
00:50:02
All the way through the Ted Donato in college? Absolutely.
00:50:04
All right, let's move on to the devil's very, very, very strange.
00:50:08
First of all, it's interesting.
00:50:10
Kokko gets his goal before use.
00:50:12
Does uses, played a lot more games.
00:50:14
Um, what have you seen from him is his adjustment to the NHL game and what is going on with the devil's defense? It is it more their goalie's have not played up the part.
00:50:24
Or is their defense giving up way too many high quality chances? A little bit of both with the gold is in the defense.
00:50:29
I mean, when she gets past like their top three defenders, it's not very good there, Puck moving very good.
00:50:36
And you know, Petey Superman is not a lock rock solid defender.
00:50:41
So if he's not getting your point, he's not helping you a ton on defense, either.
00:50:46
So I think that's that's a big part of it.
00:50:47
Shoes boy.
00:50:49
Scott Collins, PS and had a great stat.
00:50:51
And I started talking about this when Billy was playing down New Jersey.
00:50:57
No first overall pick.
00:50:58
It gone scoreless for five games since Steve Stamkos and I had pointed out on a couple different shows that yeah, that was when Morose was in charge and he was the coach and I written an article about him that he's completely used, misused Steve Stamkos, and I feel like John Heinz is doing the same thing.
00:51:15
I mean, he had him.
00:51:16
He had huge on the line with Wayne Simmons and Blake Coleman.
00:51:19
Both Those guys can't skate with issues But if you have one of them there to protect them, that's fine.
00:51:24
But you can't have two guys like that.
00:51:26
He hasn't put in with anybody other than Goose EV and those guys, and it's like wise Palmeri off limits.
00:51:33
Why Taylor Hall need a stock line? You need to put him with some creative people.
00:51:38
If you don't, you're limiting his offense.
00:51:40
And then he was getting in on the second power play.
00:51:43
It's like when it was five on three.
00:51:45
They had him out there forever.
00:51:46
Least they were smart enough to see that.
00:51:48
But second power play for like, 20 seconds.
00:51:51
You know, I saw him draw a penalty one game, and he's getting some chances.
00:51:55
But chances are limited when you're limiting advice time, all right.
00:51:58
Lastly, they finally did it.
00:52:00
They broke ground at Belmont.
00:52:01
They've shown some of the some of the special features that will be there.
00:52:06
What do you make of the The jerseys that change names? What is it that you're trying to be a step ahead of technology? No, I don't know about the Jersey thing.
00:52:19
I Yeah, I don't think anyone does.
00:52:22
They just made a throwaway line that they're gonna have these jerseys that change names on the team emblem stays the same, but have a new favorite player.
00:52:29
You can change it like that, but it looks like it's really gonna happen.
00:52:32
Right gonna happen.
00:52:35
I like I said, I think that report lawsuit is just so they get things right with in the neighborhood.
00:52:41
So they feel like the neighborhood doesn't get upset that we're gonna happen.
00:52:45
I think the little off schedule Well, I don't think it's gonna happen exactly on time.
00:52:51
They cost chaos because again, nothing, I wonder.
00:52:55
Teens want to hear more than hey, first game and that's our Coliseum wasn't sold out like 7000 people there.
00:53:02
But to be fair, like nobody knew when to buy tickets, how to buy tickets, and he didn't have a season ticket package like that.
00:53:08
Whole thing was a debacle, and honestly, right now, the Islanders are a bit of a debacle because they can't score goals.
00:53:15
They don't have enough offensive push from the blue line.
00:53:18
They don't have enough whole stone scores on offense and they gave her alarm are four years like that.
00:53:25
All of that made no sense this is a bad stomach flu.
00:53:28
And he put it all on Barry trucks.
00:53:30
And right now, you know, we talked about the differential in there.
00:53:33
Right now, there are minus story, and I'm not sure it's going to get much better.
00:53:37
They really need to do something different.
00:53:39
They they've gotten calls on Josh hosting.
00:53:42
I guess the Kings have been calling and they didn't trade.
00:53:44
I'm like, What are they doing with him? This is something that the leech used to do.
00:53:48
They would hold off the players.
00:53:49
Of course.
00:53:50
Is Louise there? And they wouldn't trade him, but they wouldn't play him.
00:53:54
And, like, you need to trade this kid a plan.
00:53:56
So I don't understand why they're not trading.
00:53:59
All right, Russ. Russ Cone.
00:54:00
Here each and every week with the NHL report, we move from the NHL.
00:54:03
We move over to the baseball diamond.
00:54:04
We bring in John Carpenter before we call me the next three minutes.
00:54:07
First off.
00:54:08
Happy birthday, John.
00:54:09
That's right off the bat.
00:54:11
Thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
00:54:13
So All right, let's talk quickly.
00:54:14
The two championship series.
00:54:16
Uh ah.
00:54:17
You surprised that Washington has gotten out to a to nothing.
00:54:20
Lead, Yes and no.
00:54:23
Yes, because you wouldn't expect the team to win two games on the road right off the bat.
00:54:28
It doesn't happen very often, but with the Nash the Nationals pitching, I know it doesn't surprise me.
00:54:34
And Anibal Sanchez putting out the effort that he did was was astounding.
00:54:39
And he had.
00:54:40
He had had a good outing, his left his last outing.
00:54:42
But I don't think anybody expected seven and 2/3 and no hits baseball.
00:54:45
But that really puts the hammer down on the series.
00:54:47
And all the Nets need to do now is when two out of three at home and that they can move on and they could have to rest.
00:54:53
Interestingly enough, you also take a look at the Yankees winning game one on the road as well, and he's a relatively yes.
00:55:01
So what does that game you mean for the Yankees going for granted the best of seven? The first game? You split it home, you come back and get a split on the road.
00:55:09
It's right back, even.
00:55:10
But how important was that first game for the Yankees? Setting the tone huge you because because you've got Verlander and Gerrit Cole coming up in Game two and three and I thought that, you know, everybody said that The Astros going five, being extended, healthy Yankees.
00:55:24
I thought it was a blessing in disguise for the Astros because they had Greinke on normal rest and they had Verlander on normal rest.
00:55:31
And now they're gonna have Gary Cole on normal restaurant in Game three in a hostile environment.
00:55:35
Whereas in the other way, you would had Greinke going in Game three on long rest and a hostile environment.
00:55:42
Long rest hasn't done Greinke well at all this season are in the playoffs.
00:55:46
So But it was definitely huge because even if you're down to one, you're still what? You still have a chance to make up some ground at home.
00:55:55
Even if Cold Beach you in game three in the Bronx.
00:55:57
So that was That was a big one to take, and I think that ensure that this is gonna be a long series.
00:56:01
All right, we got one minute before we go to the break.
00:56:03
Obviously another managerial spot open the Phillies firing Gabe Kaplan.
00:56:08
Kappler wondering if they waited till after the Jewish holiday to do it.
00:56:12
But they dismissed him another opening.
00:56:14
So how would you handicap? Who is gonna be the Mets manager? We got, like, 45 seconds left this date.
00:56:19
Who do you think it's gonna be given all the job? I don't think I don't think much changes.
00:56:24
I think if the Mets want Girardi, they can have him.
00:56:27
But I don't know if they're gonna go in that direction.
00:56:29
I don't think they're gonna go in that direction.
00:56:31
I think they're gonna go with another first time guy.
00:56:33
And I don't think the Phillies managerial spot opening is gonna change what the Mets do.
00:56:39
I don't think it's gonna create any sort of bidding more for anyone.
00:56:42
Anyone? Managerial candidates.
00:56:44
Yeah, I think you're right.
00:56:45
I think the price on Gerard is gonna fall a little bit because I think the Cubs are gonna go with Ross and that, You know, that was where everyone had Girardi his other option.
00:56:53
And I don't think the Phillies go there.
00:56:55
So I think comes there are most assuredly gonna go with David Ross.
00:56:59
You got it will speak to you next week, John.
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Jared was were, you know, in studio and is a parting shot.
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He gave me a legitimate party.
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We can have have doctrine and stop the show you the fight that way.
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Yeah, it's the first time t k o in the studio.
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Joining us now is a man who grew up in Freehold Township, New Jersey, as a New York Mets fan this past season.
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He got the play for them.
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The San Diego Padres selected him in the 2008 Major League Baseball draft.
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He quickly climbed the Padres minor league ladder.
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He was named the Carolina League Pitcher of the Year for 2010 after posting a 2.
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And saving a league record 41 games and 62 appearances at the three seasons with the Padres, he played for the Orioles, Braves, Cubs and Mets.
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He was an All Star in 2016.
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It is a pleasure to welcome Bread Rock to 5 40 AM Sports Talk New York Welcome, Brad.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for having me.
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It's actually our pleasure.
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So let's start out with the fact that right now many baseball execs think that the postseason ball is different than the one that's been used in the regular season.
01:03:21
Thus reducing home runs in post season is usual.
01:03:27
Foreseen fat ass ball in a sock picture.
01:03:32
How did the new ball with the laces and not as raised in the past, affect the movement on pitcher's pitches that you through? And what adjustments did you have to make during the season because of the baseball? Yeah, I think you saw a different have a movement from all the pictures this year, whether your slider, you know, change up for me.
01:03:52
It's particularly with my side of my chain of existence.
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He has as much breaking they normally do.
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So it's kind of just one of those things all year where you're trying not to think about it.
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You go out there, you try that First of all that you know how it just kind of throw itself.
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It's a lot harder to do, and you start hearing about all this stuff about less drag, you know, the ball traveling further and all that kind of stuff.
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It always cruising the back of your mind.
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But didn't you just have to make the adjustments because every picture's got that everybody has to do it.
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You know, everyone's using the same ball.
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So if your balls not moving the same as it does, you just got a whatever it is to try to get it back up close to it, not the same as it used to be.
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And the biggest thing for me to show is my changeup was just not moving the same like it normally does.
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And, uh, that was, uh, a tough for me all year.
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And that's I think, why I had so much trouble in.
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Plus, he's just because, uh, the changeup usually go to page in the share just people make it members effectively so quickly.
01:04:47
Would you know that this change in the baseball Honestly, I don't think it was really one of those things until there was a report about I think it was a mayor, June 1 of the, you know, Basil scientists or something that came out with an article mia for a book that I read it.
01:05:04
I was like, Man makes a lot of sense, you know, the home on the way up the circumference of the ball was like the most circular that ever been the ball was centered better than it ever had been.
01:05:14
Less drag on pitches.
01:05:15
You start thinking about all that and kind of put it through the three together, and he kind of lives up the pictures.
01:05:21
We're not moving the same as they used to run the ball, going local further.
01:05:24
So yeah, I would say I honestly didn't even really think about it.
01:05:27
I just thought that maybe I was doing something wrong until about Mayor Jim.
01:05:31
And the reason why it's of utmost appointing importance that met fans is you know, so many of us are trying to come up with reasons why Edwin D.
01:05:39
As the season went off the rails, his stuff seems to be still electric.
01:05:43
I mean, he was still, you know, the radar gun still with the same exact numbers.
01:05:47
But we all know what happened this season.
01:05:49
I know you saw him for a short time frame in the 40 somewhere games you were met.
01:05:53
But did you see any difference in the movement in his his pitches when you're out in the bullpen and do you think that you know, the new ball had a significant difference in how he performed this year.
01:06:04
I, you know, I was a kid.
01:06:06
I didn't get a chance to see what kind of games in the amount of Seattle just because Baltimore we didn't see me late night games and, ah, about time he was in the game, I was probably sleep or close to it.
01:06:17
And you know, this year I've never seen anything like that.
01:06:21
Never seen a guy go out there, check out three guys and the one person who is able to make contact.
01:06:26
The ball goes over the fence.
01:06:27
It felt like every time you pitched whenever he gave up a run, that's what keeps us and just unbelievable.
01:06:33
Everything still electric.
01:06:34
But I feel like the way the hitters have been hitting is more of Ah oh over a result of this season than it is his pitching up.
01:06:42
Like a lot of hitters now, we're just trying to get the ball the bell into his owner this year.
01:06:46
No one that the balls for a little bit better, it was trying to get the bell in the zone.
01:06:50
Keep it in there as long as possible, and if you even to make the slightest bit of contact especially how fast is fighter isn't how much didn't add on it.
01:06:59
I felt like all you do is get a battle to it and it clipped it out.
01:07:02
Arc, it was It was unbelievable watching him pitch.
01:07:04
I mean, I really enjoyed being around him, and I know this year definitely bothered him.
01:07:09
He was, uh, he was going with, you know, the results.
01:07:13
You know, some Some of the rude waiting they got from the sand is the most Well, I'm after.
01:07:18
I felt for him because the picture, I think everybody's been there.
01:07:22
And I'm not making excuses for me for you to make any excuses.
01:07:25
But I feel like they can make so much.
01:07:28
Just in the next year.
01:07:29
Gives me back to being the dominant clothes that he was here before they're signed by the Mets August 9th.
01:07:33
At that point, the Mets were 60 and 56.
01:07:35
They go 26 20 in the 46 games. You're a Met.
01:07:38
What was your takeaway from? The makeup of the core of that team is compared to some of the others that you played for.
01:07:45
I really enjoyed being around a guy I know coming from Chicago were that was a winning ball called there to it.
01:07:52
There was a little bit older of a core group of guys.
01:07:54
This one, the main guys are, you know, early on in their career, whether it's, you know, he's like Peter Alonso our second year, third year guys like Judy Davis and then obviously different meal.
01:08:05
But I was really impressed with my Conforto.
01:08:07
I really appreciated the way he went out and played the game and, you know, watch given watch.
01:08:12
Jacob.
01:08:13
The round of hot days is, is Trina love itself, especially mandible.
01:08:17
Uh, you can appreciate a guy that loves to go 79 or Italian pitches.
01:08:21
So Thea Courtroom that that team is gonna do big things.
01:08:26
It's It's a really exciting group.
01:08:27
I'm hoping that they bring me back into the fold.
01:08:29
Kids, I just don't you know, I said, I think it's every Mets fan hope every year that make sure the year.
01:08:36
But I truly believe after being around the guys and being that cold out set, you know, even even this year, we were a few things away from being right in the mix, right down to the last day.
01:08:47
So it's it's exciting.
01:08:49
And like I said, hopefully I get to be back in the fold next year.
01:08:52
We hope that to a CZ well, and you're right.
01:08:54
Everything you said right there is spot on one of the 46 games you played for the Mets.
01:08:59
Was the 9 11 game being from the area? Did that particular night have extra significance to you? Yeah, definitely.
01:09:06
I think Come knocking still think back to watching that Mike Diaz a game or you go home on the 1st 1 back in New York and I don't know howto describe rather than like it.
01:09:16
You'll know what that day.
01:09:18
So I like to live in the area and not that I lived in New York City.
01:09:21
But, I mean, we still add, you know, family, friends and stuff that worked in the city.
01:09:25
And I mean, it kind of people from on the county that go to the city every single day to work and, uh, yeah, that that they was.
01:09:32
I mean, the ceremony was just incredibly emotional.
01:09:35
And the Mets dude did an amazing job, a fit, and I feel really honored to be able to be a part of it and getting to talk to the couple fireman that were next to me.
01:09:44
It's just I just think back to that day and I can't imagine what it would be like to be one of those people to go into those buildings and survive and come back and know that some of the fuel they went in the building with some of the best times didn't.
01:09:57
And, you know, it's getting close to 20 years ago now.
01:10:00
And it's just it feels like it was yesterday any time that that anniversary comes up.
01:10:03
And, um, I guess that I just feel very honored to be a part of that That ceremony and I was God, I was able to be a med, and they did such a good job on the Fallen fallen into recognized all the brave men and women of New York City.
01:10:17
That particular night.
01:10:18
Peter Lanza did something pretty special is well, he brought every teammate special cleats for that game.
01:10:23
When you see your cleats on the fact that Pete did it, what was the first thing that went through your mind? Uh, I can't believe he's a rookie at that That was the first time one of my monitor That something you see, you know, guys who have been around a long time do.
01:10:37
And, um, just for him to have that kind of awareness toe kind of get everybody involved in this because it's one thing to do yourself within its nothingto get every single person that they're involved and find out.
01:10:50
What side could you have? What company you have your endorsement with and then to go on, get creeps made for each person on the team was pretty special And just, you know, for him, if you would have done himself has been awesome.
01:11:02
But to get everybody involved, it was it was a pretty special moment and definitely a special occasion for all the guys you mentioned.
01:11:11
The fact is, a rookie through your nine years in the majors, you've been around a lot of rookies on the fact that I'm trying to who we had were talking that Steve Blast last.
01:11:20
We talked about being a rookie, and back then you were seeing and you would know you never spoke.
01:11:25
You've been around many rookies.
01:11:27
Have you ever seen one that exhibits forget about his play, but the poison leadership that Pete, you know, exhibits on a daily basis at a rookie.
01:11:36
If you ever come across that in the game yet, No, this is the first time, I think.
01:11:42
And I think just growing up in the air to give me a little bit more appreciation for two just because you can.
01:11:47
I mean, we all know the New York media is it could be tough times.
01:11:50
And for him to be ableto do with the market off New York, all in itself, in tow, not only have a couple of months, but have six good months.
01:12:00
Put an entire season together.
01:12:01
And as you get closer, the rookie record and as you've been closer to 50 homers and you know just the way he dealt with everything and the way he was able to go out there every single night still looked like the same player day in and day out.
01:12:13
Having never done it before was incredible.
01:12:15
And like you said, the way he handles interviews, the way he was able to give it time, people that went and asked him it was it was impressive to be be around and I was only there for two months, so I can't imagine what it was like to be around for six and then eat, including spring training.
01:12:29
Yes.
01:12:30
So you mentioned the home run chase when you join the team.
01:12:32
Pete with 16 home runs from tying the major league rookie record five from the franchise single season record as a teammate watching him chase those numbers, is it exciting for ah, teammate as it was for the fans, you know? Did you get caught up in that chases? Well, yeah, Absolutely.
01:12:48
I think, Um, I knew she was having a really good season when I went over there and I saw how far away he was from judges.
01:12:56
Mark, I was like, Okay, maybe maybe he'll get closed.
01:12:59
That seems like a lot. A lot to go.
01:13:01
And then also in there, like mid August beginning September.
01:13:04
I looked up. I was like, Man, he's like, 46 47.
01:13:06
You got a shot at this and you just kind of went off.
01:13:08
It was it was awesome to watch.
01:13:10
And it's funny.
01:13:11
When I was at the team hotel before I went over the state on the first day you actually drove up and picked me up and brought me over the stadium.
01:13:18
So he was the first Met that I that I was able to meet on a team and just kind of it was cool, going to watch him go through the whole thing.
01:13:24
I say I've got about 47 48.
01:13:27
I mean, every time he came up, when he was at home, the fans were so into every at bat, and when he did that one that broke the record, it was that was an awesome experience.
01:13:36
I was one of the things you do with the record.
01:13:38
No matter how many meetings you played in, my how many teams to play on your over the sea to the record in person and he'll see that was, it was pretty special.
01:13:47
You could tell he was very grateful to be in that spot and able to touch touch judges record.
01:13:53
So one of the things that really sticks out to me in this interview is your belief and the guys in that locker room and something that I want to look forward to next season.
01:14:00
But looking back at last season, there were a lot of things that went wrong, but that team stuck together for me in from outside perspective.
01:14:06
So how was important was it was having a Jacob to Graham and a pita Lonzo to look, too and say, This is the guy he's gonna lead the way, Let's all get in line and you guys believing in each other can can, you know, block out that New York media you were talking about? Yeah, definitely.
01:14:20
I think, you know, it's kind of funny, because when I was with not funny kind of ironic, really, because I was in Chicago braving the I was with the codes when the Mets came into town and the pitching coach just fired a name.
01:14:32
The shoes.
01:14:33
After that, they would Philadelphia and like he was.
01:14:35
I mean, the games were just crazy washing from the outside perspective.
01:14:38
And I'm just thinking, OK, I get the Mets are going.
01:14:40
I mean, I get released by the Cubs, and you know, the Mets were definitely high top of my list, and I'm like, Man, these guys are back in.
01:14:47
I can't believe everything that went on during that time, and now they're still in.
01:14:51
I'm like these guys must be something to be around.
01:14:54
I think the most impressive part about it is that nothing was like said there was no team meeting.
01:14:58
Let's do this. Let's do that.
01:15:00
It was just when you have a giggle program who goes out there, he's proved a year after year and you go down.
01:15:05
You know exactly what to expect every five days.
01:15:07
And starter that is, that's invaluable to a team and invaluable to a boat and invaluable to an offense.
01:15:13
I think, honestly, after being there yet, you know, from the other side where they get to runs or less almost every time he is I can do.
01:15:21
I can tell you why.
01:15:22
Because you get so come from the fact that I'm throwing up a zero every single time that you will sit back a little bit.
01:15:28
But, um, it was awesome.
01:15:31
It was great deal.
01:15:32
Like you said, being on those guys. Like I said, Microphone was great.
01:15:34
Wilson almost did a great job behind the plate.
01:15:36
I can't go, you know he was able to do the whole movie.
01:15:39
You know, what is our situation there Really Well, you have got to be around a while.
01:15:44
That really helps in this situation.
01:15:45
If there was somebody who was gonna die, who knows how that would win over.
01:15:49
But it was never mention was never talked about.
01:15:51
We went about business on a daily basis, you know, just like nothing had happened.
01:15:55
So you look ahead and you look at the playoffs.
01:15:57
They was going on and Washington seem to be making a very nice run.
01:16:01
A main rival fact chief rival for the Mets for the past few years as a Met.
01:16:06
Are you rooting for the Nationals or against the Nationals? I You know what I don't even know? I don't really know.
01:16:15
I like watching the games.
01:16:17
I don't know, really, really rooting for team or not.
01:16:20
I think, you know, it definitely went to that to that regard.
01:16:24
I think you root for the team, that senior division, because it proves how good your division was.
01:16:28
And I think that's what kind of foods.
01:16:30
How could the National League East was this year when look at the Atlanta went against five games against the Cardinals, the Cardinals beat the Brewers in the they had caused, and all the teams that had there and have us be so close to the nationals where when I was there.
01:16:43
I mean, we really be remember single game. I was there.
01:16:46
And to look at them now in a playoff to winds from the World Series kind of makes you even harder like man, we were that close to being will do some special and I think it would be.
01:16:57
I want him in the first game after we eliminated and I sat back in my locker and kind of looked around the locker room and we want a really good game.
01:17:05
I think you look against the Braves the first time you get a raise on.
01:17:07
My manager said this guy was such a waste, an opportunity to share with this group of guys.
01:17:12
You really? I mean, there's a lot of talent there and you kind of you kind of think about the missed opportunity now, like you said, watching National whilst I think you realize topping of a missed opportunity, it was because we had a chance in the playoffs and that's where we could have done.
01:17:26
So you and I texted a little bit the day Mickey was fired and you know, I keep on thinking about, like, personally, I like Mickey is a person.
01:17:33
I think that he did a lot of things.
01:17:36
And again, you know, not being in the clubhouse.
01:17:39
We don't know how much is that? Never say attitude, you know, transferred from the manager.
01:17:45
Um, so you have played for five different organizations.
01:17:48
Five different managers Bud Black, Buck Showalter, Brian Snicker, Joe Maddon and Mickey as a player.
01:17:54
Are there perceivable difference is for each organization and each manager.
01:17:58
And how did they affect the day to day play of a player? You have to give specifics of a team if you want to give or manager if you want. Give specifics.
01:18:06
But you know, we had this conversation.
01:18:08
It seems the Dodgers changed managers, but they yet they continue to win.
01:18:12
The Cardinals changed managers, yet they continue to win the Braves.
01:18:16
The twins.
01:18:17
So could you speak a little bit, too? That Yeah.
01:18:20
Yeah, I think, um, you know, my commanders said it's like, you know, they got incredible women when they win, and they get no credit.
01:18:27
Want booze? It's, uh, on The Commander is a tough job.
01:18:32
It's, um I think there's got to be a balance between having a really good person relationship of guys being It'll keep.
01:18:39
This is business, you know.
01:18:40
It's a tough line to follow there as the manager of the team and especially being making first job in New York.
01:18:49
I couldn't imagine the pressure on the day to day basis to be ableto, you know, deal with your media obligations, your front office obligations and then deal with the players.
01:18:58
And I think it goes for every man Dr Place, why talk? It's a tough job.
01:19:03
Um, you like? I said, You wanna have? You wanna have a report with each guy, but same time, you know, you're not gonna be able to be on that, that the best terms with every single player just not possible.
01:19:13
I think no matter what manager you talk to with any guy that's ever played the game, you will find somebody who had a problem with that manager.
01:19:19
So it's between Things were e.
01:19:22
I think you are only as good as how well the team performs and enforcement.
01:19:27
I think for Mickey with here with the expectations, especially this group of guys that they think It was one of those things where, you know, with the new GM and, um, then thinking that we should be in the playoffs and should be continued for World Series, you know that It's just kind of one of those things where it was time to move on.
01:19:42
And I got nothing but good things to say about making my younger brother pitch for him in the minor leagues with Indians.
01:19:47
And so I've known him for a long time, and my brother has nothing because I am every other guy that I know.
01:19:53
Every other organization had nothing good to say about Mickey, and I'm sure he'll get a good job somewhere else.
01:19:58
And, uh, this one just wasn't meant to be.
01:20:00
But I'm sure was a good learning experience.
01:20:02
Go forward.
01:20:03
And I think that's that's one of the good things about baseball is that you'll learn better, bad something from wherever you're at.
01:20:09
And I think Nikki will definitely be better for moving forward as a pitcher.
01:20:15
Which position is more important to you? The manager, the pitching coach of the bullpen coach.
01:20:20
I think I personally think that the pitching coach in the bullpen coach should be one A 18 then the one that are monitoring your little ones that so many times you've gotten up in the certain day or a week, and I feel like if you told them on the same page and there's no disconnect between the two of them, I thought they should just be almost a two headed monster.
01:20:42
The two pitching coaches we had found fault for Dom Chiti and gave Wallace.
01:20:46
They were every single bullpen.
01:20:48
They were there, standing side by side with each other, So there's no guessing what they think.
01:20:52
They should do it with some guy.
01:20:53
There's no arguments.
01:20:54
Those arguments, they figured out between themselves without the player knowing about it.
01:20:59
And I just think as a picture, especially the bullet path, think the pitching coach in the bullpen coach are your to the Allies and the two guys.
01:21:06
You need to have the best relationship with Brad.
01:21:11
Thank you so much for your time.
01:21:12
Ty I, for one, am hoping opening day.
01:21:14
I get to interview on the you on the field, and I hope to get to say this next year.
01:21:20
Brad Brock, member of the 2020 world champion New York Mets.
01:21:24
That's my hope would be awesome. Yeah, give me kills.
01:21:27
You said that.
01:21:28
I hope I really hope that's the case.
01:21:30
Back. All right, we'll speak soon.
01:21:32
Thank you so much for tonight.
01:21:34
You got it again.
01:21:35
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What do you got for us? They actually was the Wednesday or Thursday paper, but it's so good you can't pass this up, okay? It's really it's really a lesson about what happens when alcohol's involved. You're a jury, Cody.
01:23:14
Early in the show, we took alcohol, you know, affected.
01:23:17
His life has been dry for sober for 30 something years.
01:23:21
So now we have a Padres pitcher, Jacob Nicks, and he was pitching in the Arizona Foley, and he and another pitcher then caused Tom Cosgrove go out and do a little bit of drinking.
01:23:32
Well, maybe they do a lot of drinking, and they're going back to Ah Nix's apartment, a tricycle window where he thinks he says he claims was his apartment this You could win by opening.
01:23:43
Do with his keys? No.
01:23:44
He tries to go through a doggie door on.
01:23:48
Of course, he gets stuck.
01:23:50
Now.
01:23:51
He admits to police later.
01:23:52
Not only doesn't have a doggy door in his house, he doesn't have a dog.
01:23:57
Gets into the door.
01:23:58
Could get stuck.
01:23:59
Of course it wakes up the homeowner The homework, Um, sees the guy sees next with this face through the doggy door.
01:24:06
You know, he takes his foot and pushes him back.
01:24:09
And that's not the end of this story.
01:24:10
Because they go to leave and the holder pulls out his taser.
01:24:15
So not only does he get kicked in the face, but he gets tasered.
01:24:20
And, of course, he gets arrested for, you know, trespass or whatever it is has to appear in court now for misdemeanor charge.
01:24:28
And he doesn't it After what he had no memory.
01:24:30
Really? What happened? No idea what he did this.
01:24:32
And was the alcohol tough? So and I'm just like he got stuck in that doggie door.
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01:25:24
And I have to tell you, this might be one of those defining moments in a quarterback's career.
01:25:29
This guy, you know, came in today and basically, you know, war flak jacket like guys warm World War two.
01:25:36
Well, what do you make of the performance today by the Jets quarterback.
01:25:41
I loved it, man.
01:25:43
That was kind of the example of how this Justine pretty much played all day.
01:25:47
And after that long field goal by Mara and even after a late touchdown by Zeke, you're just figuring on man.
01:25:53
Same old Jets.
01:25:54
But damn, Donald led the way.
01:25:56
He looked confident out there, got everybody involved and they hung on. And I think you're right.
01:26:01
This was a big victory, not just for the team but for Sam Donald.
01:26:04
I think this is a step in the right direction for this, or they make sure things to look at this game.
01:26:09
I think one of the things getting back to the finding moment was the second and short where he called a quarterback sneak.
01:26:15
That to me speaks volumes about the man that Sam Darnell is.
01:26:19
Well, you guys know that.
01:26:21
I mean, the best players want the ball's in their hands at the big times and for him to be able to take that and it's one thing that call that so actually execute that play.
01:26:30
But I have the confidence to go out there, actually get the first down, look around every like this is the man that just looking for a guy like this for a long time.
01:26:37
We're gonna step up like that and take that.
01:26:40
I think that both buying the other part of that, too.
01:26:42
There's not just Donald returning what did for the offense, which is, you know, missing for three games.
01:26:46
But take a look with Greg Williams defense.
01:26:48
Finally, Not only did they have to stop on the two point conversion, the end, but then a couple of stops, not the end of the first half of the whole field goals.
01:26:55
Ah, and that's no.
01:26:56
This also is time.
01:26:57
The first game the defense showed up.
01:26:59
So it also helps when you're not.
01:27:00
Your offense is going for an hour on the field all the time.
01:27:02
How important was an eight minute drive to the Jets defense? Oh, we've seen that in years past.
01:27:08
I always remember the seven Super Bowl for the Giants and one of the big reasons why they won that throwing things at the ball for so long on, and I think that that's a recipe for success in the NFL.
01:27:19
If you're a team like that, no, you know the Jets are gonna put up 35 points.
01:27:22
But if you can the Dallas offense off the field, run the football, keep them off the field.
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I think that did.
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So did wonders for the off.
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It's three losses in a row now for the Cowboys.
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Big trouble for them.
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They're gonna rate strip.
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It's such a easy division of my being outside of the Eagles.
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You know, they're clearly better than the Giants and the Redskins, so we'll be able to get on the right track against those two teams.
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As bad is a look for them the last couple of weeks, Uh, they're still right in the thick of things.
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So knowing that team, they're just gonna take it one day and it sounds cliche one game out of time.
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Take a look where they're at in the standings, and I anticipate them figuring it out in a rather than later less bad teams.
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Miami puts Ryan Fitzpatrick and wins the game, but that's not the game.
01:28:12
Would last game on the board before I let you go is what do you make of the Kansas City Chiefs lost today? I think it's more of the example of how targets this show, Watson, that we've talked so much about Patrick Mahoney.
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But you got to give it the d W men.
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If you're making out of M V P List, he's gotta be one or two right now.
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Unbelievable. It was a great game.
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Two great quarterbacks.
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So, Jay, we appreciate it.
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Lots of great stuff in the NFL, As always each week, you never know what you're gonna get No other than in New England.
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When you, you know you thanks so much, they will speak to you next week.
01:28:42
You got a guy's never going.
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You got Jay pressure here, reaching every week sponsored by just Escape ally dot com Fun Show Today If you missed it, the video archive will be on the website Sports talk and why live dot com, the audio podcast of both Gerry Cooney and Brad Brock will be available on the Web site is when I shout out to took it to the men's club.
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The club Melville was just the way we got to get out. I had a great time.
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Thank you all for listening to us and provided we hope to do more.
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So if you're interested Also a J and I make public appearances.
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Well, all right, we'll see everyone next week.
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Have a good one, everybody, Theo.

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That is boxing legend Jerry Cooney.
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He's live in studio.
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We're so thrilled to have year.
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Thanks for coming in.
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Um, yeah.
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It's a big throw for us.
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It's nice to be here back to this. Nice studio, guys.
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Got nice things over here on, uh, you know, exciting.
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I left your early got here.
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You're very early today.
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Maybe with tape of someone we don't take.
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People go online, but Jerry got two parents. Our favorite.
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Seven 11.
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If you've been a long time listener of the show, you've heard the stories and Jerry witnessed it for I went.
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I mean, I was over.
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I didn't go in.
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We got something at a bunch of guys looking over my car.
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Long road charity sale of your company.
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So Well, yeah, Mercedes.
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They like to take those kind of things.
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You shouldn't say that They know you're here.
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All right, let's do the actual formal introduction.
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Joining us now live in studio is the man who went international tournaments in England, Wales and Scotland as well as a New York Golden Glove titles.
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He won the two New York Golden Gloves championships in 1973 160.
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Sub novice championship in the 1976 heavyweight Open championship.
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He trained right here on Long Island at the Huntington Athletic Club is amateur record consists of 55 wins and three losses.
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First pro fight.
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February 15th. 1977.
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Beating Billy Jackson by a knockout in the first round.
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His rise to fame would continue over the next four years, peaking with a first round knockout of Ken Norton and Madison Square Garden in 1981 improving his record 2 25 And, oh, he tells the story in a brand new autobiography, Gentlemen.
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Jerry, it is a pleasure again to have him here live in studio.
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The former number one ranked W B C heavyweight contender of the world, the Huntington Moeller himself, Gerry Cooney, A mall on the way.
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I remember it from the one you called weak Will on the other side attracts.
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We call them the hunting them days.
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That's right. The world will mourn.
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My father built it was helped build up plate cookies right stuff, so thanks for coming in.
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But your new book, Gentlemen Jerry, Contender in the Ring and Champion Recover chronicles your legendary boxing career, but no talks about the challenges and triumphs you've had as a trauma survivor.
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And you're 31 years of sobriety.
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So what made you, you know, all these years later? Write this book now because I kind of felt like I was ready.
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You know, I had done a lot of work, had been away from alcohol in trouble and recreational drugs, and I kind of, you know, cleaned up my act a little bit.
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I I start to understand what went on in my house.
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Why I felt that I did.
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I think about how I was in the house.
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I grew up in hiding in the basement.
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If he didn't seem, it wasn't gonna hurt me to make into a heavyweight championship of the world.
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To be number one in the world is a phenomenal feat in my book.
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But growing up, I didn't feel I felt shame.
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I'm no good.
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I failed, you know? Good.
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And it was until now, that important import writing this book at the C.
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All the great things that I've been through in my life, in the places I've been and the people I've met from Frank Sinatra, the bobble, you name it.
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And so I want to tell the story.
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You know, I mean, I can't, you know, brag.
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I mean, you've got five of them.
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What is that? How? How none of mine ever talk about a championship fired.
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So how hard was it to sit down and with your author, John Grady, and basically open up your life.
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You know, the people will be reading about that being really intimately about your relationship with your father and your family growing up.
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And you did this for hopefully thousands and millions of people read.
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Well, the real story and the reason why I really wanted to write it was because I was from Long Island here and I wanted to fight everybody.
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I want to go fight but dunking on those head weights and because I refused to sign with him, he kicked me out.
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So in my a day where I should've been fined 34 times a year, I'm fight once a year.
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And so that's what my problem was.
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And the press and you talked about while the Matthews it affords those people they like, blinded by the light.
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They you Nobody matters, once told me, said, You know, Jerry, when you were number one in the world said I was delivering newspapers to see yet So what? You know, I mean, like, that's a problem, what set it up? And so, uh, those kind of things and I lived through it and experience it, and I never allowed myself to feel the joy.
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And through this book, I was able to feel it.
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And the great part about the brokers.
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It's a happy ending and that, you know, we make it through.
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We get up with that stuff up pants and we find a way to get to the next place and work through it.
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You know, it's interesting.
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Mentioned your co author and your co author of the book is John Grady.
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What I found fascinating because he's not an author, okay? He's a licensed professional counselor, license and alcohol and drug counseling, dual certified supervisor in the mental health and addiction fields, and he described the writing process after each chapter, which I found fascinating.
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You know how he sat down I'm just wondering, having written that with him, how much of this book is? Obviously, you know, you talk about it openly now.
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How much of the book was therapeutic for you Understanding? You know what went on in your childhood when the whole thing was therapeutic? I mean, the whole The whole process was a great experience because it made me dig inside.
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I remember when I first stopped drink and I talked to a doctor and he said, When you close your eyes, what do you see? I see.
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I see a big black hole makes a good.
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Now you gotta start going in that hole.
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And that's what this book is about and about.
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We're making my way out and standing up and making it out of the hole and get into the top and and being successful and having a great family and not making those mistakes.
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My father, me with my family and it's been a great, great processing.
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Plus a lot of people here lounge.
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They didn't notice those stories, and I would think about it.
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A bunch of nice girlfriends back in the day I was unveiled for, but I didn't know it like I couldn't trust.
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I couldn't feel like, um, you know, scared, you know, scared of everything.
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And I'm a believing they.
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And so a lot of those things got worked out in this book, you know, and listen, we we find their way through it life, you know, it's interesting you mentioned that nobody knew.
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And it's one of those things, especially in society.
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Now, even today, more so back then because, you know, one of the themes that comes through is both the physical and mental abuse he suffered from your father.
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But to the outside world, everything seemed normal.
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In Holland Street in Huntington Station, where Tony and Eileen Cooney raised you, your three brothers Thomas, Michael and and Stephen and your two sisters on Lean and Madeline.
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You know, from the outside, it looks like the typical strong working class long on family.
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You know, you guys went to mass together, you know, always doing chores around the house from the outside world that looked like the perfect family.
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But obviously no one ever talked about that back then.
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Do you think now if your child would happen now, do you think teachers might have been more attuned to what was going on.
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Our neighbors and someone might have said something or gotten your father counseling.
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Do you think it might be different if you were born in this generator? I want to tell you one story.
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Somebody.
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He came home, put his belt on, and workers built some place.
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He went in the garage, and it wasn't there.
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So he called the four boys in the garage and close the door behind them and said, Okay, who did it? Who did it? I didn't do it, Daddy.
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I didn't do it, Daddy.
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I didn't do it, Daddy.
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And so we're gonna work it out.
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You know, if we would take the blame once, the next guy would take the blame.
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That kind of stuff is just wrong.
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And unfortunately, that's the best he could do.
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So how to forgive him in life.
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But, you know, it's ah, it was very tumultuous and also difficult to find my way.
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I couldn't trust anybody at a good friend of mine, Frank.
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Venetian.
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Thank God he's from them around.
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And when I was 18 years old, I wanted to turn pro because, like also got invited to the finals of the Olympic trials.
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And I got the phone call and I told him, Sorry, I'm not able to make it.
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My father's sick, he said.
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Jerry's the finals of Olympic trials, where the top eight guys go to color.
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I said, I'm really sorry I couldn't make it yesterday When? What Time? And I hope the phone with him.
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And that was 10% true.
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90% was.
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I'm not good enough.
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I want to make an ass of myself.
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Why am I going to go there and do that? And I missed the biggest opportunity of my life.
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And that's those are the things that this book's talks about, where someday I'm gonna have a kid where I'm gonna make him say, Listen, kid, this is important.
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I pay attention.
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Let's get to the next level.
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That's what the idea of this book was about.
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And John Grady helped bring it out.
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I mean, I gotta toughen it up by the tough life.
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You know, sometimes those therapists makes you sound like a wussy, right? I was a bad man.
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I was a bad man.
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You know, I'm probably jumping way ahead of most days on this But in the book, you do a very, very detailed description.
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Frankly, boat or by blow of the homes fight.
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So did you.
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How much of that did you remember? How much good it did you go back, you have to watch films of the fight.
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I remember.
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How did not recreate that? That fight basically second by second.
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Listen, when you are a fighter and you go in and fight ring, I fought like homes for the heavily chance where I remember every second of it.
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I remember where I was.
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That what was going on, how I felt.
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I remember there was such a bad problem here and in the world about racism and blew up their Don King blew it up in all that money.
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I had five Georgia months.
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My Patani, Jimmy Burr, Brick.
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You know all guys, Gary Gladstone, rest his soul.
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We had all these guys in camp with us.
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Listen, I was the internal soup lobster tail.
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You think I was worried about racism? I never Anything about it, right? I never Nothing about it.
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And everything I thought about is the fight, Junior.
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Because I thought to myself I cannot wait for that belt drink.
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Somebody hit him on the chin with the best hook I ever threw.
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And so then we're understanding the ring.
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Getting instructions from Mills Lane and Larry Holmes looks amazes.
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Jerry.
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Let's have a good fight, I said.
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What'd you say now before I hated you? Wanna knock your ass out? And that's the boxing game we became.
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Friends were great friends today, with together 12 15 20 times a year.
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We always talk to each other, and that's what boxing is about.
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For me, the book had so many different levels, and it was interesting the way it seemed like in some senses.
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There were two Jerry Cooney's.
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Your father taught you not to trust people, but yet when you were taking the Long Island Railroad from Long Island into Manhattan to train.
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I love people.
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You love people, and you had confidence to strike up conversations with strangers.
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So you did, in some senses, trust people.
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But there was always in the back your money, so they're very practical.
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So how did you walk that line? It must have been like I can't imagine the inner torment.
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That is what it was, is it was free.
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I was communicating with them.
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They were communicated with me.
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And when we left each other, we're better off.
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I enjoyed it. They laughed.
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We joked.
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I always get invited back.
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You know, that's life.
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And that's the personality I developed.
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My brother Michael was it was the jokester.
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He was a funny guy.
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I think I got it from him.
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But when I I love people, I love visiting with people.
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I love spending time with people, old people, people calling.
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My father loved you. I said to me, Favorable.
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No Call.
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Mark it on the phone with them.
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What? What? What What is the life I have? I think I could Chill is telling you this stuff.
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But I get this every day of my life.
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I get a chance to do this.
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You're one of the questions I had, which and this is this might sound cold and callous, but I was wondering if you could watch it.
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I know.
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I'm a day after I asked a question on the step back.
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So I know how much you loved your father.
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No question about it.
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You know, warts and all.
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You love your father, but it is not love my father again with my father.
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You're on my side now.
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E couldn't love my father, My foes unavailable to love.
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You know, he built a ring.
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My mother used to keep time and he boxed me and I couldn't hit him.
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I could have could have beat him up.
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But I couldn't hit him.
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And he try and punch me around and I over thought to myself, You know, I wished I would have hit him with the shot one time.
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Tell him.
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And then I talked to some man who did do that, and he felt terrible the rest of his life.
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So I'm glad it in.
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But no, my father was I mean, I guess so.
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Maybe it's not the right word.
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I mean, you respect your dad, but so what? I feared my father for us. So here's the question.
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Because I love my father.
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You grieved his death, obviously.
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But in some respects, when someone that has been both verbally and physically abusive to you in your life was it also somewhat of a sense of.
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It's a horrible thing to ask, but was it also somewhat of a sense of relief? when he passed.
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We're, um yes, it was. It was It was a relief.
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I mean, I had left the house already, and I had to forgive my father.
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I spent an hour at the grave site and I talked to him, and I apologize for my part in it, Whatever that was.
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And I I forgave him in order for me to move on.
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That's why I need to do.
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And that was hard.
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Took a long time.
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And, you know, I've just been going over it again recently that I need to get a deeper level of that because I'm still bitter inside a little bit about Listen, I'm your son.
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I mean, my children, 99% of the world trying to put my kids down.
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I gotta pick him up.
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I got the greatest kids in the world, three of them, And I'm in some sense, a lot of times.
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People who grew up in abusive family schism abuse their kids.
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I love my kids.
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Every day.
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I tell him every day I love how much I love it, and that's a gift I got in.
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So and then this is a friend of mine.
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Was retired captain.
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You know, Jerry, whatever your father did you he gave you the strength to become number one in the world.
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And to learn all about these things, though, that's another, you know, way to figure myself.
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There are a lot of things that happened you over the years, some within your control and some not within your control.
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What happened after boxing your bouts with alcoholism and other things, Someone in your control and other things that happened? Probably not in your control.
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If there's one thing in your life, you would change If you could change it or wish had happened differently, what would it be? I wish somebody could have grabbed me by the arm and said, Hey, Cooney, listen, this real now this is a big deal.
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Let's pay attention.
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Let's let's give it a shot.
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I didn't know I didn't allow anybody in and to manage that couldn't stand each other, so I am leaving.
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My idea was, I had one watch the other, so I saved my money.
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But, you know, I never found that person.
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I was.
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I couldn't I wasn't available to find that person.
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Life was so fast for me.
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and scary that I just had a hold on.
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And I knew that once I got in that ring, once the bell rang, I was gonna hit you.
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I was gonna make you feel my power and that's what kept me alive.
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Was up just that released for you.
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There's a picture in my gym.
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It's a picture of me and here's what happens the you're drawing you dress in moments up in the guy, says Cooney, You're next and you go, Oh, shit, you're next night here.
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My life is going to be in front of me so that walk from the dressing room into the ring is the most intense time of your life.
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And then all you care about is that bell to ring once the buildings, I gotta fight.
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So how do you shut out that that feeling of you're not good enough? Because boxing is all confidence.
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We've spoken so many boxes that you, you continuing your undefeated, you feel that sense of invincibility that first lost all of a sudden the next time it's a little bit in the back of your head, so when you have all these thoughts from your that you're not good enough.
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You'll never be good enough.
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How do you shut that out when you're going to the ring? If you'd wipe that away, you can't pay attention to that.
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You've got You know, I'm focused on my three or 45 plans.
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I'm listening to my trainer.
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He's my other set of eyes and I'm just focusing, waiting for that bell to ring. I'm frustrated.
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I I feel like like like an animal.
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I want to go.
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I want I want I want to hit him.
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I wanted to feel see the fear in his eyes.
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I want to see his expression change and then I know him.
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I mean, that's how different is it whether you're fighting a club fight or your first professional fight in a small group and fighting in Madison Square Garden or fighting in the parking lot of a Las Vegas casino when you have 30,000 people is opposed to Sunnyside Gardens.
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Since I've got it in terms of being able to block everything out, is there a difference? Was it was much harder.
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The larger the crowd.
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No, it's just, you know, it's the same process.
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I mean, when I was a kid.
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I'm fighting, you know, And some things, like gardens.
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I'm my first pro fight.
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I'm like, Oh, my God.
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I gotta win here and then fighting Larry Holmes.
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I had a lot of stuff going.
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Have a girlfriend, was in a bad car accident, and so we were having some kind of problems and issues.
00:19:17
And, yes, there's always stuff going on, but I got a chase that on my brain, and I gotta pray, and I gotta pray and and and stay focused in on giving in that ring and wait for the bell to ring.
00:19:27
You mentioned your two trainers, you two managers, but they introduce you to a guy who you mentioned You never found that guy.
00:19:35
How close to that guy that you can trust in that, you know, directed you was Victor Valley? Victim Valley came from a similar background like me.
00:19:44
He left Puerto Rico when he was a young kid.
00:19:46
You didn't have a father, so he had a lot of anger in him too.
00:19:49
But we we kind of hit it off with each other right off the bat.
00:19:52
I mean, I first went to custom.
00:19:53
Otto and I was in our league for the meeting.
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He was saying you're a now Wait to see me.
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I said, Listen, bro, the dream was late.
00:20:01
Not me.
00:20:02
I didn't like it might be.
00:20:03
I got rid of him and he was the man because he taught me.
00:20:06
He made me a great train.
00:20:08
I'ma break training today.
00:20:09
I know.
00:20:10
I know what the what the deal is.
00:20:11
I know the defense is the most important thing.
00:20:13
You got to stay away from the power.
00:20:16
You know, I learned that whole process through is this thing.
00:20:19
He was like a son of your father.
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You don't figure for me.
00:20:22
So so as a trainer now, and through your experiences and and now, you know, coming up and then back down.
00:20:29
And then here we are.
00:20:31
But you talked about how it was like a, you know, a released once you got to that point of just getting in the ring, but a release in almost a negative way.
00:20:39
Where how can like the boxers these days? If you're training them, have that be something positive and then get out of the ring and they don't need to go seek other ways to help themselves.
00:20:49
Well, I mean, obviously, you know, it's it's getting to know each other.
00:20:52
I mean, I work with kids today and troubled kids, and I tell them it's not love you.
00:20:56
And I know you want to play basketball.
00:20:58
You wanna be a fighter, but you're gonna have to actually, that doesn't work.
00:21:01
You gotta have something to fall back on.
00:21:03
And so education is a great thing today that most managers and most trainers, they don't want to fight to get educated, because with get educated, they're going.
00:21:13
So they could be the next trainers.
00:21:15
Yeah, but I mean, that was like it's a process that you have to trust the guys.
00:21:21
You have to help educate them.
00:21:22
I understand what the contract means, what they're fighting for, how much expenses you need to learn all that.
00:21:27
We never did that.
00:21:28
We've talked a lot with other boxers about how boxing used to be the way out of the slums out of the ghetto.
00:21:36
That was the way to get out of the biggest one.
00:21:39
Was LaMotta Well, that was that was a tough So what happens when you see kids today? First of all, where the kid.
00:21:47
What happened? Cancer coming to you? The box.
00:21:50
And what do you tell them? Well, I may have assortment. I have a gym.
00:21:54
Uh, Jerry Coombs Boxing Academy and Scotch Plains, New Jersey.
00:21:58
And we get little kids we get.
00:22:01
I got a kid the Saturday in Hoboken who's six years old.
00:22:04
I told him for half an hour he was picking everything up here.
00:22:08
That sense at six years old, you could pick it up, which is very hard.
00:22:11
It's hard to keep him focused.
00:22:13
Then you have a little older kids have two, a boy and a girl, Another 10 that a phenomenal fighters.
00:22:19
And now they have to give in to the next level. I got a box.
00:22:22
And so I have that grown ups.
00:22:25
I trained the pro before, and so it's It's really unbelievable.
00:22:29
It's a magic you see in the person's eyes.
00:22:32
They have this look in their eye, but I'm gonna work it out.
00:22:35
I'm going to figure this out.
00:22:36
I'm going to get there where I got to get to you got to create the opening, and then you gotta land.
00:22:41
And when you do, you can still smiling face like I got you.
00:22:44
I got you about its big feeling, but circle back a little bit back into the book.
00:22:50
Um, you mentioned Victor and you trained to Gleason's Gym as a young fighter walking into that gym.
00:22:57
There's so much history.
00:22:58
What's the first date like, Do you feel like it's almost like you've made your in the mecca of the boxing world when you're training police? Instant, right? Well, let me take some.
00:23:07
It was hard.
00:23:08
I had 45 sparring partners that each one's what you know.
00:23:12
I'm in there with one.
00:23:14
The three or four other guys are watching where they're going to find to get me right So it makes That's how you get better as a fighter.
00:23:20
We had guys like Holmes come in when I was 21 years old.
00:23:24
Duran Ali.
00:23:26
I mean, everybody has been anybody, have Bean Camacho and so that was magic was magic to be there and then to be a part of it, but realistic.
00:23:35
What it comes down to is it's hard work.
00:23:37
I take my training from Mona Alan.
00:23:39
I get to the gym, I get dressed, I get downstairs, I gotta go to work and then it gets my dream.
00:23:45
Where have was so much fun? Driving on the ball call with these guys came over sometimes working myself in and having the time of my life putting people on the bar car.
00:23:57
People haven't heard that if I can interrupt for one second those you know, the Jets were playing the Cowboys 23 seconds left.
00:24:03
Don't tell me what the Cowboys come down.
00:24:06
They score. Touched out is 24 22.
00:24:08
The Jets stop them on the two point conversion to win the game.
00:24:12
The game still wants the three onside kick, but I also want to tell you guys I'm a very big Jets fans.
00:24:20
I love to see that because I've been very disappointed for a lot of Bill Parcells was there for a while.
00:24:24
We got, we got the magic and then he left.
00:24:27
And now to see this Donald you guys talking about is great, especially so you know, people of a certain age, you know, we love the books.
00:24:34
Look back at the boxing over and above your personal issues, You know, um, the great names of the heavyweight division in the seventies and and how they shaped your rise within the division.
00:24:44
June of 1980 you face the first of many big names of that era.
00:24:47
And that's Jimmy Young, when 1976 took Mohammad Ali the distance 15 rounds before losing on the decision.
00:24:53
Ali's victory in that fight was, by all accounts, a gift from the judges because Young really looked much quicker, shorter and he hit hard.
00:25:01
I mean, he hit hard.
00:25:03
What did that fight mean to you in sense of your career? What do you remember of that about that fight? Gil Clancy says it.
00:25:10
That night, when I knocked your young Adam four rounds, he said, I just made it to the top of the world.
00:25:15
And what that man was Jimmy Young.
00:25:17
Nobody look good against Jimmy Young.
00:25:19
He was so awkward here, nine wins in a row.
00:25:21
When I fought him and I was playing, I was tested them testing, and every time I fell hook he's blocking, trying to get the block, but just leave his insides wide open.
00:25:30
So I turned to hook into an uppercut and I split it between the eyes.
00:25:34
And so when that happened, when I was put you between the eyes is over, and they want to stop it in four rounds.
00:25:41
I was $100,000 payday at that time for a little kid was I got 22.
00:25:46
It was like I felt like it's machine.
00:25:47
That is, just five months later, you find another one of those name fighters, and that's Ron Lyle.
00:25:57
And he had fought well against two champions, Ali and Foreman, before that fight, right? Which is very interesting.
00:26:04
Your mom got a very interesting call from one of those fighters.
00:26:08
Who was it? And what did she tell your moms Know? My mother got a phone call from Mohammed Ali and he said, Don't worry, your son is gonna be fine.
00:26:17
And that's where Mohammed Ali was.
00:26:19
He had a I remember the first time I saw my family at the airport, he had a glow about him walking down down the airport. It was amazing.
00:26:26
And I sat with him at Thea Thea human building for boxing convention, and we hit it off so well, I just bought a place in the invested mama.
00:26:34
You gotta come to my house.
00:26:35
And then you only told me.
00:26:36
All right, I will.
00:26:38
That wasn't pretty good hour.
00:26:39
That is good.
00:26:40
What happened was I figured I'm 21 years old.
00:26:44
How am I gonna take care of all these people? Have 30.
00:26:46
40 people are gonna die.
00:26:48
I want to cancel it.
00:26:50
No, no, no.
00:26:52
That's That's your experience for you.
00:26:54
For me, the if no one has ever seen Gerry Cooney fight younger people.
00:26:59
You know this YouTube from me, the one that defined just your roar strength and power was against Kenmore.
00:27:06
You go when you watch that fight.
00:27:08
You know, 1981 you slam Norton with a devastating right on the side of his head.
00:27:13
You follow that with a deadly left hook, which snapped Norton's head back.
00:27:17
And then there's maybe 9 to 10 shots in a row, and the fight is stopped in the first round.
00:27:23
I've watched that fight several times.
00:27:26
It is.
00:27:27
Have you gone back and watch your fights? And if so, what went to someone that's never seen you fight as the one you would want to put a time capsule and say, This is what Gerry Cooney, the boxer Waas, You know, Jimmy and was a big fight from because That was a really big step up from me.
00:27:44
Honestly, Kenny Norton was a big fight, And losing the homes in 1982 was that I was in that fight the whole time.
00:27:52
Now you gotta understand.
00:27:53
I was drinking through the whole year.
00:27:54
I wasn't taking care of myself as I should.
00:27:57
I think what happened was the pressure of growing up in the house of I Did you? No, no, no confidence.
00:28:03
You're not gonna make You can't do this.
00:28:05
Got to me and booze took away that pain and so little did I know it got me.
00:28:10
I want to get Jerry Quarry.
00:28:11
I want to get other people.
00:28:13
I never thought I was gonna get me, and it did before I knew it.
00:28:16
And so that night, I fought like homes.
00:28:18
I got stopped in the 13th round.
00:28:20
It was a great time.
00:28:21
A lot of stuff was going on in my life too.
00:28:24
And, uh and so, you know, listen, looking back, Had I won that fight, I probably wouldn't be here with you guys say, because life was so fast and so hectic.
00:28:35
I mean, I had a phone in my room from President Reagan was in my room on 47 wins.
00:28:40
I didn't get the call that Theo ner, the president seizures, wanted to fly me to his daughter's graduation.
00:28:47
You know, all these things were going on.
00:28:49
It was just phenomenal.
00:28:50
And so, uh, you know, maybe I'm here today and I can talk about it.
00:28:54
I remember I I saved my money.
00:28:57
I have a great family today.
00:28:59
I made some mistakes.
00:29:00
I tried to clean up the records from my best and get get all my life.
00:29:04
And this is part of that as well.
00:29:06
And this book is about yes, we have to look at it.
00:29:10
We have to work through it, and then we can let it go and be free.
00:29:13
It's interesting that you point that fight because the book also chronicles that tremendous fall off.
00:29:19
You know, after that fight and and the escapism and you know, your attempts prior a few times to get sober.
00:29:26
What? What finally clicked for you? It was just one time.
00:29:30
I I, uh listen, when I forget that finish that Holmes fight with all the racism and the problems that was going on there and my management's and, uh, how I felt like I failed the people because I remember running through Huntington, the hunted, the recreation we deep in the one at me, you know, the, you know, construction crews I had made.
00:29:53
You're on the cover of Sports Illustrated with Noah.
00:29:56
I'm told that this alone time I'm like, Oh, his home's refused to be on the cover.
00:30:03
Now that was another issue of Sports Illustrated where they want to put me on the cover and they want to put him inside.
00:30:08
And he was mad.
00:30:09
So they put me on the coat and they drew him in on the inside.
00:30:12
But it was so boring.
00:30:14
No, with were best of friends.
00:30:15
Stay with friends.
00:30:16
And I love the guy and and we get to enjoy life, build each other up.
00:30:22
He told me one time, You know, you make me a better person.
00:30:26
I thought, Wow, that's big deal.
00:30:28
That's a big deal.
00:30:29
And I try to make everybody a better person in my life.
00:30:32
That's not supposed to do.
00:30:34
I'm supposed to help those people that are less fortunate than me and and I get the opportunity because of my experience.
00:30:41
The course of my background that I get a chance to do it.
00:30:44
And what a great feeling is.
00:30:45
I don't get paid for it.
00:30:46
You know, I don't tell nobody about it.
00:30:48
It's a great man and we walk away, smile on the hugging me.
00:30:51
Who's got a better me.
00:30:52
So you take a look at the head of a division. Boxing.
00:30:56
People follow boxing largely because of the success of a fighter in the heavyweight division.
00:31:01
Yeah, they're people.
00:31:02
Follow some of the lighter weight class is really what makes what, What has to happen now to get boxing back.
00:31:09
Where were the next great heavyweight come like a Mike Tyson that people want to follow? For better or worse, You want to see when you want to see him lose when I tell you something.
00:31:17
So boxing was on ABC, NBC, CBS.
00:31:20
All the kids could watch.
00:31:22
It was amateur boxing.
00:31:23
United States was great.
00:31:24
I remember watching every Friday night Grandal seven.
00:31:27
Like even the lordly for me.
00:31:29
I even remember Oscar Bonavena like you remembered.
00:31:31
It was like almost like baseball card.
00:31:33
Remember the way that scythe just like these guys? We got the radio face now so so I mean, listen, that just threw me off from you Are we talking about? We're gonna take the boxing.
00:31:55
The old S O.
00:31:56
Okay, So so then boxing got raped and robbed by by, uh, Don King and some of the other guys in the business.
00:32:03
And people got the source.
00:32:05
I got the, uh, ripped off robbed.
00:32:08
So a lot of those guys that would have took the best boxing went to basketball, baseball, football and whatever else they went to Now it's back with but us Guys, I am for you guys are not back.
00:32:18
Caught up in the zone is big.
00:32:20
Bob Graham is big on ESPN, ESPN.
00:32:23
Plus we got Adela, We have delahoya.
00:32:26
We had way Have Ah, Beller.
00:32:31
We have, you know, so many guys and boxing is getting The problem is we have to get them together.
00:32:37
So they're all separate and different Emotional cos we've got to get them together.
00:32:41
And what happened was Anthony Joshua got stopped by Angie Ruiz and Bob Graham.
00:32:47
Say, you know what? There's $100 million fight out of a dream fury.
00:32:51
And while the we gotta make that fight before one of these guys loses.
00:32:55
So now they start to come together again.
00:32:57
And you gotta follow.
00:32:58
You go.
00:32:59
I tell everybody, put boxing scene on on your come front page on your computer, put ESPN boxing and follow a couple of stories.
00:33:07
These guys are great today.
00:33:08
So is it a good thing or a $100 million fights? A lot of that is paper.
00:33:14
Is it a good thing or a bad thing that if you're gonna fight, great fight, you're promoting toe watching at home, you have to pay $75.
00:33:21
100 dollars or shouldn't be some way of getting a fight like that on even a radio.
00:33:27
I'm gonna remember fights.
00:33:29
Listen to fights alive on radio, you don't hear a lot of that anymore.
00:33:33
Should be more, more top fights, Not you Open commerce and things like that.
00:33:38
You get, you know, there.
00:33:39
Are you okay? Is it good or bad that that you have to pay 70 $5? Pluses for 95 you have The zone is 9 95 Those put on the majority of great fights.
00:33:50
Now, sometimes there's gonna be showtime.
00:33:53
They're gonna put a review on.
00:33:55
It's only normal.
00:33:56
So listen, So I'm I'm sitting home.
00:33:58
I don't make a lot of money.
00:33:59
I work three jobs.
00:34:00
Say, and I got this big fight I want to see So I have for my friends.
00:34:03
Come over.
00:34:04
He pays 10 you bake that.
00:34:06
I've done something like that, right in my generation of someone who grew up without you know, all the radio.
00:34:13
The ABC is to see it.
00:34:14
It was always pay per view.
00:34:15
But when a big fight came like the big ones you mentioned how It's awesome.
00:34:18
Now that ESPN ares, some of those amateur, even smaller ones, everyone gets to see.
00:34:23
But if I wanted to watch a fight, it was who's coming over? Because we need to put $10.
00:34:26
10 dollars a fight with my friend. Yeah, it was great.
00:34:32
So how much did the the Merryweather and you know, there was a certain Mmm.
00:34:38
How much is that? That Mitch the sport? I think I think it hasn't really.
00:34:45
It's helped.
00:34:46
Fans from MM may come over to boxing.
00:34:50
Maybe it's his boxing fans come over.
00:34:52
Mm May.
00:34:53
So in the long run, it works out fine.
00:34:55
I mean, it was a showcase.
00:34:56
They put it on the mean Mayweather.
00:34:59
Ah, um, record.
00:35:01
Noah Mayweather and Pacquiao took five years to happen and pack.
00:35:07
It was they could never match up to me. Will.
00:35:10
Although you take Mayweather, you put a 1,000,000 with Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns or Roberto Duran.
00:35:17
They eat him alive.
00:35:18
He just came into right.
00:35:19
Time is a great promoter.
00:35:20
So, listen, boxing is gonna fall down. It's going to take it shots.
00:35:24
It's gonna gives black guys, you know, static night, summon forth, he's in a coma.
00:35:28
A tough kid is not doing too well.
00:35:31
These things happen in the game, and we gotta be more careful.
00:35:34
We have to pay attention.
00:35:36
But it's someone.
00:35:37
What do you What do you think about mm A versus boxing? Personally. Me.
00:35:41
I think it's you know I mean, uh, you know, it's brutal.
00:35:46
I mean, and they wrestle each other on the floor.
00:35:48
I mean, s O.
00:35:50
I mean, if you're gonna get a boxing guy, put him in a boxing ring with the M m A guy and then make a Georgian gives escape.
00:35:55
But if you put them in the cage, I mean, you know, you don't see really any boxes getting engaged? We have.
00:36:03
We saw re Mercer.
00:36:04
Did James Tony did.
00:36:06
A couple of guys did.
00:36:07
But basically, we're not gonna get a lot of crossover.
00:36:10
Algerian Weidman.
00:36:11
Two guys that have done that. Boxing. Yeah.
00:36:14
So anyway, it's, you know, you're not going to see that.
00:36:17
And I think that there's enough room for people to be able to People.
00:36:20
Smart fans are smart enough to understand what's going on now.
00:36:24
You've been working at Sirius X M radio with, um, really going with Randi Gordon on Monday and Friday during your time there.
00:36:32
Have you seen the spike and interest during the time you've been there From when you started to now has boxing start to pick up again? You know em in May was going crazy back there when I first started 11 years ago, 12 years ago there.
00:36:44
And, uh, but enemy is, in my opinion, is not boxing.
00:36:48
Great, great, great.
00:36:50
And but back them what Emma Mae did is it forced boxing to correct itself.
00:36:56
So we had fights back then.
00:36:57
There were all mismatches and the final you put the final who could fight it, but all the other fights of mismatches.
00:37:03
So now, because mm bay, it forced boxing to correct itself will seem better fights.
00:37:08
And we got tons of town.
00:37:10
I mean, you can't believe the light heavyweight division.
00:37:12
You have 8 10 guys in the light heavyweight division that a super fantastic fighters.
00:37:17
The heavyweight division is big coming back between all these guys, Joshua while the Fury Louise.
00:37:22
I mean, you got I mean, Joe Joyce, you got these couple of guys from Africa that a phenomenal you got.
00:37:29
You know, you Lomachenko who's Ah, lightweight moving.
00:37:32
I want to see him fight back.
00:37:34
Yo, because package is still dangerous enough to get a shot, you can get down the 35 but he's powerful enough to launch a girl gets in as you move up.
00:37:42
As it gets, cities get hurt more often.
00:37:44
So there's a perfect fight for my talk to Bob Arum about that.
00:37:47
He said, Jury, I'm gonna have to pay you for that.
00:37:49
You may need that fight.
00:37:51
I've got a cheque ship.
00:37:52
You mentioned the $100 million fight and then also you mentioned the three coming up.
00:37:57
You mentioned Mayweather and Pacquiao on how that happened a few years late.
00:38:01
So with your experience and you've been in those meetings like how do we avoid these fights happening too late or limited sum? So it's agreed that happened five years too late.
00:38:10
But look what they did.
00:38:12
They put a little numbers.
00:38:13
Oh, yeah, People waited for it.
00:38:15
People wait and see if they didn't have a press comments.
00:38:18
They lasted on on Instagram or whatever, however they use to bid it.
00:38:22
And it did phenomenal numbers.
00:38:23
So there's a lot of magic out there for us.
00:38:25
We can do a lot of different things, and we're going to see a lot of great things.
00:38:28
But you gotta follow it again.
00:38:30
The older generation's got a kick back and pay them to read some of the stories.
00:38:34
Follow some of the great guys that are out there.
00:38:36
There's a lot of listen, we got every Spence just was in.
00:38:39
The troubled by the actual is this.
00:38:41
He was going over 100 miles an hour in the Maserati, or I think, whatever it is he owns and he went through the windshield, he lost a couple of feet, did not break any bones.
00:38:51
You think God, God was with him in that night.
00:38:53
So that guy's a terrific fighter.
00:38:55
You got so many create different divisions out there that you gotta pay attention to And, uh, and and look at them and a guy like that, and you circle back years ago, the one that generated interest with that was Vinny Pazienza, who was in the accident and then trained with the halo made that come back.
00:39:11
And that was a story.
00:39:12
No, I see him.
00:39:13
And he's a wild man, right? I remember seeing him with the screws. Yeah.
00:39:18
Yeah.
00:39:19
And then you think about listen, when he gets to be 50 of 55 can you imagine A Smith stiffness is, however, is not Damn.
00:39:27
He's going to call me absolution of his neck with my left over.
00:39:30
So let's circle back.
00:39:32
So it's not the end of the guys. All right.
00:39:34
Um, April 21st 1988.
00:39:37
What does that date mean to you? It means to me that I got a star a life.
00:39:42
I finally stood by.
00:39:44
I was with a friend of mine.
00:39:45
Georgie Mantra draws drive me to my office.
00:39:47
I said, let's stop at the pancake house to get some tea and there's a great friend of mine there.
00:39:52
Jack Brunette, New York.
00:39:53
He was It was a bodyguard for me and and I went in the place and he told me to sit down with him.
00:39:58
I sat at the table.
00:39:59
He said, Jerry, I'm not drinking three years.
00:40:03
You never have to drink again.
00:40:04
No, I heard that 1000 times.
00:40:05
At least I think he went like that.
00:40:07
And that was the last time I took a drink.
00:40:09
And I've been clean it out.
00:40:11
I I worked on myself.
00:40:12
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You said that I didn't put it in my interview, but it was something that stuff with me, Um, Azzam flipping the pages.
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It was one of the lead ins to one of your chapters.
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It was just two or three lines.
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Where can people get the book? Barnesandnoble dot com amazon dot com Your local bookstores and, uh, listen, I appreciate you having This is a great interview.
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All right, So what do we Rick? We have ah, Wei have Russell, right? So we did a little irritable when I mentioned we were going to the Major League Baseball report.
00:46:15
We're actually going to the NHL report with Roscoe. How you doing, Russ.
00:46:18
Good.
00:46:19
How are you, Mark? Pretty good.
00:46:20
Okay, so you're a Ranger.
00:46:21
Fans were clamoring for this, waiting for the first goal from their 19 year old Swedish rookie.
00:46:26
They got a beautiful goal from from Kokko is first in the NHL.
00:46:31
What? I found interesting about it.
00:46:33
And this is something that maybe you could speak to is the one guy that wasn't on that line when he did score.
00:46:39
The goal was Chris Kreider, who'd gone off with an injury, right, Chris Kreider to date.
00:46:45
Really? I don't know.
00:46:47
And again, it could be strong.
00:46:48
Gave Kokko a beautiful pass.
00:46:51
But Crider seems to possess the puck way too much on that line.
00:46:56
Granted, there's no place else to put him.
00:46:58
Ah, unless you start switching up the lines.
00:47:01
But if the Rangers are gonna go anywhere all this season, they've got to get production out of that second line.
00:47:07
What do you see? The fix.
00:47:08
And it's interesting because, you know, domestic off got traded.
00:47:11
He scored two goals for the Ottawa Senators the other day.
00:47:13
But what's the fix to get a little more balanced on this team? You can't have that first line being your sole source of offense.
00:47:21
No, I think the fixes, you know, whatever happened to the Chris Kreider stretch past? Like, why can't they give him two or three stretch that stretch passes a game? I mean, that would be one way of sort of breaking him free.
00:47:33
You know otherwise.
00:47:35
Yeah, on that second line, maybe he's gonna have to be a little more of a net front guy.
00:47:39
He's sort of gotten away from that, But I think he could do that.
00:47:42
I think that can provide wall offense.
00:47:45
I thought, Yeah, cock.
00:47:46
Oh, that was just very defended the way he scored.
00:47:49
And Strong made a great path.
00:47:51
That is good.
00:47:52
The bad side of that game.
00:47:54
Waas Edison, now under Tippett has tried to play this perfect game, and the Rangers tried to play it along with them and they can't do that.
00:48:02
There was no don't know.
00:48:04
That came to a point midway through the second period where it was evident what the Oilers were doing and the Rangers never adjusted.
00:48:12
The press box was just saying, What about dumping and chasing you? They were trying to make these four or five passes into the zone and wasn't working The one thing I did notice about, you know, and again, you've been extolling his virtues from Day one.
00:48:27
What I love about Adam Fox is this guy.
00:48:31
His passes are perfect and his his hockey i Q.
00:48:36
You know, in the past, we've had defense when you up at the point, trying to make the perfect diagonal pass to the guy down low by the faceoff circle.
00:48:44
Nine times out of 10 it would go the other way for an odd man break I have granted.
00:48:48
It's a very small sample size, but he is very, very deliberate.
00:48:52
And make sure there is no one in his passing lane with every one of his passes.
00:48:57
I can't say the same about Tony D'Angelo, Tony's defense.
00:49:00
It suffered a little bit, but you know, that's the tradeoff you get with him.
00:49:03
And I understand that.
00:49:04
But it is physically hitting people.
00:49:08
Absolutely.
00:49:09
Um, the other question before we move on to the Islanders and February is you know, Smith has gotten, uh, his name written into the line of every single night.
00:49:19
Do you think that it's more of a showcase to maybe have a team interested in him is this way.
00:49:24
Now you you've moved on the mess.
00:49:26
Tick off. If you move on Smith.
00:49:28
Now you've opened up your roster spots, depending on how Kratz off and he'll do down in Hartford.
00:49:35
Is that the game plan? Or do you think Smith will be here? And maybe he'll just move back as the seventh defenseman? I think Ill Venture just moved back in the seven defense.
00:49:44
I'd like to think that that is the case that they are showcasing, but I don't think so.
00:49:49
Yeah, The other thing about boxes, he's just He's very safe and measured and really doesn't have any hiccups.
00:49:56
And he's very calm out there, and that's all.
00:49:58
Those things are good.
00:49:59
That's good coaching all the way from from the U.
00:50:01
S.
00:50:02
All the way through the Ted Donato in college? Absolutely.
00:50:04
All right, let's move on to the devil's very, very, very strange.
00:50:08
First of all, it's interesting.
00:50:10
Kokko gets his goal before use.
00:50:12
Does uses, played a lot more games.
00:50:14
Um, what have you seen from him is his adjustment to the NHL game and what is going on with the devil's defense? It is it more their goalie's have not played up the part.
00:50:24
Or is their defense giving up way too many high quality chances? A little bit of both with the gold is in the defense.
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I mean, when she gets past like their top three defenders, it's not very good there, Puck moving very good.
00:50:36
And you know, Petey Superman is not a lock rock solid defender.
00:50:41
So if he's not getting your point, he's not helping you a ton on defense, either.
00:50:46
So I think that's that's a big part of it.
00:50:47
Shoes boy.
00:50:49
Scott Collins, PS and had a great stat.
00:50:51
And I started talking about this when Billy was playing down New Jersey.
00:50:57
No first overall pick.
00:50:58
It gone scoreless for five games since Steve Stamkos and I had pointed out on a couple different shows that yeah, that was when Morose was in charge and he was the coach and I written an article about him that he's completely used, misused Steve Stamkos, and I feel like John Heinz is doing the same thing.
00:51:15
I mean, he had him.
00:51:16
He had huge on the line with Wayne Simmons and Blake Coleman.
00:51:19
Both Those guys can't skate with issues But if you have one of them there to protect them, that's fine.
00:51:24
But you can't have two guys like that.
00:51:26
He hasn't put in with anybody other than Goose EV and those guys, and it's like wise Palmeri off limits.
00:51:33
Why Taylor Hall need a stock line? You need to put him with some creative people.
00:51:38
If you don't, you're limiting his offense.
00:51:40
And then he was getting in on the second power play.
00:51:43
It's like when it was five on three.
00:51:45
They had him out there forever.
00:51:46
Least they were smart enough to see that.
00:51:48
But second power play for like, 20 seconds.
00:51:51
You know, I saw him draw a penalty one game, and he's getting some chances.
00:51:55
But chances are limited when you're limiting advice time, all right.
00:51:58
Lastly, they finally did it.
00:52:00
They broke ground at Belmont.
00:52:01
They've shown some of the some of the special features that will be there.
00:52:06
What do you make of the The jerseys that change names? What is it that you're trying to be a step ahead of technology? No, I don't know about the Jersey thing.
00:52:19
I Yeah, I don't think anyone does.
00:52:22
They just made a throwaway line that they're gonna have these jerseys that change names on the team emblem stays the same, but have a new favorite player.
00:52:29
You can change it like that, but it looks like it's really gonna happen.
00:52:32
Right gonna happen.
00:52:35
I like I said, I think that report lawsuit is just so they get things right with in the neighborhood.
00:52:41
So they feel like the neighborhood doesn't get upset that we're gonna happen.
00:52:45
I think the little off schedule Well, I don't think it's gonna happen exactly on time.
00:52:51
They cost chaos because again, nothing, I wonder.
00:52:55
Teens want to hear more than hey, first game and that's our Coliseum wasn't sold out like 7000 people there.
00:53:02
But to be fair, like nobody knew when to buy tickets, how to buy tickets, and he didn't have a season ticket package like that.
00:53:08
Whole thing was a debacle, and honestly, right now, the Islanders are a bit of a debacle because they can't score goals.
00:53:15
They don't have enough offensive push from the blue line.
00:53:18
They don't have enough whole stone scores on offense and they gave her alarm are four years like that.
00:53:25
All of that made no sense this is a bad stomach flu.
00:53:28
And he put it all on Barry trucks.
00:53:30
And right now, you know, we talked about the differential in there.
00:53:33
Right now, there are minus story, and I'm not sure it's going to get much better.
00:53:37
They really need to do something different.
00:53:39
They they've gotten calls on Josh hosting.
00:53:42
I guess the Kings have been calling and they didn't trade.
00:53:44
I'm like, What are they doing with him? This is something that the leech used to do.
00:53:48
They would hold off the players.
00:53:49
Of course.
00:53:50
Is Louise there? And they wouldn't trade him, but they wouldn't play him.
00:53:54
And, like, you need to trade this kid a plan.
00:53:56
So I don't understand why they're not trading.
00:53:59
All right, Russ. Russ Cone.
00:54:00
Here each and every week with the NHL report, we move from the NHL.
00:54:03
We move over to the baseball diamond.
00:54:04
We bring in John Carpenter before we call me the next three minutes.
00:54:07
First off.
00:54:08
Happy birthday, John.
00:54:09
That's right off the bat.
00:54:11
Thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
00:54:13
So All right, let's talk quickly.
00:54:14
The two championship series.
00:54:16
Uh ah.
00:54:17
You surprised that Washington has gotten out to a to nothing.
00:54:20
Lead, Yes and no.
00:54:23
Yes, because you wouldn't expect the team to win two games on the road right off the bat.
00:54:28
It doesn't happen very often, but with the Nash the Nationals pitching, I know it doesn't surprise me.
00:54:34
And Anibal Sanchez putting out the effort that he did was was astounding.
00:54:39
And he had.
00:54:40
He had had a good outing, his left his last outing.
00:54:42
But I don't think anybody expected seven and 2/3 and no hits baseball.
00:54:45
But that really puts the hammer down on the series.
00:54:47
And all the Nets need to do now is when two out of three at home and that they can move on and they could have to rest.
00:54:53
Interestingly enough, you also take a look at the Yankees winning game one on the road as well, and he's a relatively yes.
00:55:01
So what does that game you mean for the Yankees going for granted the best of seven? The first game? You split it home, you come back and get a split on the road.
00:55:09
It's right back, even.
00:55:10
But how important was that first game for the Yankees? Setting the tone huge you because because you've got Verlander and Gerrit Cole coming up in Game two and three and I thought that, you know, everybody said that The Astros going five, being extended, healthy Yankees.
00:55:24
I thought it was a blessing in disguise for the Astros because they had Greinke on normal rest and they had Verlander on normal rest.
00:55:31
And now they're gonna have Gary Cole on normal restaurant in Game three in a hostile environment.
00:55:35
Whereas in the other way, you would had Greinke going in Game three on long rest and a hostile environment.
00:55:42
Long rest hasn't done Greinke well at all this season are in the playoffs.
00:55:46
So But it was definitely huge because even if you're down to one, you're still what? You still have a chance to make up some ground at home.
00:55:55
Even if Cold Beach you in game three in the Bronx.
00:55:57
So that was That was a big one to take, and I think that ensure that this is gonna be a long series.
00:56:01
All right, we got one minute before we go to the break.
00:56:03
Obviously another managerial spot open the Phillies firing Gabe Kaplan.
00:56:08
Kappler wondering if they waited till after the Jewish holiday to do it.
00:56:12
But they dismissed him another opening.
00:56:14
So how would you handicap? Who is gonna be the Mets manager? We got, like, 45 seconds left this date.
00:56:19
Who do you think it's gonna be given all the job? I don't think I don't think much changes.
00:56:24
I think if the Mets want Girardi, they can have him.
00:56:27
But I don't know if they're gonna go in that direction.
00:56:29
I don't think they're gonna go in that direction.
00:56:31
I think they're gonna go with another first time guy.
00:56:33
And I don't think the Phillies managerial spot opening is gonna change what the Mets do.
00:56:39
I don't think it's gonna create any sort of bidding more for anyone.
00:56:42
Anyone? Managerial candidates.
00:56:44
Yeah, I think you're right.
00:56:45
I think the price on Gerard is gonna fall a little bit because I think the Cubs are gonna go with Ross and that, You know, that was where everyone had Girardi his other option.
00:56:53
And I don't think the Phillies go there.
00:56:55
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00:56:59
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And saving a league record 41 games and 62 appearances at the three seasons with the Padres, he played for the Orioles, Braves, Cubs and Mets.
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He was an All Star in 2016.
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It is a pleasure to welcome Bread Rock to 5 40 AM Sports Talk New York Welcome, Brad.
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Thanks for having me.
01:03:12
It's actually our pleasure.
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So let's start out with the fact that right now many baseball execs think that the postseason ball is different than the one that's been used in the regular season.
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Thus reducing home runs in post season is usual.
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Foreseen fat ass ball in a sock picture.
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How did the new ball with the laces and not as raised in the past, affect the movement on pitcher's pitches that you through? And what adjustments did you have to make during the season because of the baseball? Yeah, I think you saw a different have a movement from all the pictures this year, whether your slider, you know, change up for me.
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It's particularly with my side of my chain of existence.
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He has as much breaking they normally do.
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So it's kind of just one of those things all year where you're trying not to think about it.
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You go out there, you try that First of all that you know how it just kind of throw itself.
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It's a lot harder to do, and you start hearing about all this stuff about less drag, you know, the ball traveling further and all that kind of stuff.
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It always cruising the back of your mind.
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But didn't you just have to make the adjustments because every picture's got that everybody has to do it.
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You know, everyone's using the same ball.
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So if your balls not moving the same as it does, you just got a whatever it is to try to get it back up close to it, not the same as it used to be.
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And the biggest thing for me to show is my changeup was just not moving the same like it normally does.
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And, uh, that was, uh, a tough for me all year.
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And that's I think, why I had so much trouble in.
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Plus, he's just because, uh, the changeup usually go to page in the share just people make it members effectively so quickly.
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Would you know that this change in the baseball Honestly, I don't think it was really one of those things until there was a report about I think it was a mayor, June 1 of the, you know, Basil scientists or something that came out with an article mia for a book that I read it.
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I was like, Man makes a lot of sense, you know, the home on the way up the circumference of the ball was like the most circular that ever been the ball was centered better than it ever had been.
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Less drag on pitches.
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You start thinking about all that and kind of put it through the three together, and he kind of lives up the pictures.
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We're not moving the same as they used to run the ball, going local further.
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So yeah, I would say I honestly didn't even really think about it.
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I just thought that maybe I was doing something wrong until about Mayor Jim.
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And the reason why it's of utmost appointing importance that met fans is you know, so many of us are trying to come up with reasons why Edwin D.
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As the season went off the rails, his stuff seems to be still electric.
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I mean, he was still, you know, the radar gun still with the same exact numbers.
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But we all know what happened this season.
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I know you saw him for a short time frame in the 40 somewhere games you were met.
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But did you see any difference in the movement in his his pitches when you're out in the bullpen and do you think that you know, the new ball had a significant difference in how he performed this year.
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I, you know, I was a kid.
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I didn't get a chance to see what kind of games in the amount of Seattle just because Baltimore we didn't see me late night games and, ah, about time he was in the game, I was probably sleep or close to it.
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And you know, this year I've never seen anything like that.
01:06:21
Never seen a guy go out there, check out three guys and the one person who is able to make contact.
01:06:26
The ball goes over the fence.
01:06:27
It felt like every time you pitched whenever he gave up a run, that's what keeps us and just unbelievable.
01:06:33
Everything still electric.
01:06:34
But I feel like the way the hitters have been hitting is more of Ah oh over a result of this season than it is his pitching up.
01:06:42
Like a lot of hitters now, we're just trying to get the ball the bell into his owner this year.
01:06:46
No one that the balls for a little bit better, it was trying to get the bell in the zone.
01:06:50
Keep it in there as long as possible, and if you even to make the slightest bit of contact especially how fast is fighter isn't how much didn't add on it.
01:06:59
I felt like all you do is get a battle to it and it clipped it out.
01:07:02
Arc, it was It was unbelievable watching him pitch.
01:07:04
I mean, I really enjoyed being around him, and I know this year definitely bothered him.
01:07:09
He was, uh, he was going with, you know, the results.
01:07:13
You know, some Some of the rude waiting they got from the sand is the most Well, I'm after.
01:07:18
I felt for him because the picture, I think everybody's been there.
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And I'm not making excuses for me for you to make any excuses.
01:07:25
But I feel like they can make so much.
01:07:28
Just in the next year.
01:07:29
Gives me back to being the dominant clothes that he was here before they're signed by the Mets August 9th.
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At that point, the Mets were 60 and 56.
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They go 26 20 in the 46 games. You're a Met.
01:07:38
What was your takeaway from? The makeup of the core of that team is compared to some of the others that you played for.
01:07:45
I really enjoyed being around a guy I know coming from Chicago were that was a winning ball called there to it.
01:07:52
There was a little bit older of a core group of guys.
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This one, the main guys are, you know, early on in their career, whether it's, you know, he's like Peter Alonso our second year, third year guys like Judy Davis and then obviously different meal.
01:08:05
But I was really impressed with my Conforto.
01:08:07
I really appreciated the way he went out and played the game and, you know, watch given watch.
01:08:12
Jacob.
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The round of hot days is, is Trina love itself, especially mandible.
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Uh, you can appreciate a guy that loves to go 79 or Italian pitches.
01:08:21
So Thea Courtroom that that team is gonna do big things.
01:08:26
It's It's a really exciting group.
01:08:27
I'm hoping that they bring me back into the fold.
01:08:29
Kids, I just don't you know, I said, I think it's every Mets fan hope every year that make sure the year.
01:08:36
But I truly believe after being around the guys and being that cold out set, you know, even even this year, we were a few things away from being right in the mix, right down to the last day.
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So it's it's exciting.
01:08:49
And like I said, hopefully I get to be back in the fold next year.
01:08:52
We hope that to a CZ well, and you're right.
01:08:54
Everything you said right there is spot on one of the 46 games you played for the Mets.
01:08:59
Was the 9 11 game being from the area? Did that particular night have extra significance to you? Yeah, definitely.
01:09:06
I think Come knocking still think back to watching that Mike Diaz a game or you go home on the 1st 1 back in New York and I don't know howto describe rather than like it.
01:09:16
You'll know what that day.
01:09:18
So I like to live in the area and not that I lived in New York City.
01:09:21
But, I mean, we still add, you know, family, friends and stuff that worked in the city.
01:09:25
And I mean, it kind of people from on the county that go to the city every single day to work and, uh, yeah, that that they was.
01:09:32
I mean, the ceremony was just incredibly emotional.
01:09:35
And the Mets dude did an amazing job, a fit, and I feel really honored to be able to be a part of it and getting to talk to the couple fireman that were next to me.
01:09:44
It's just I just think back to that day and I can't imagine what it would be like to be one of those people to go into those buildings and survive and come back and know that some of the fuel they went in the building with some of the best times didn't.
01:09:57
And, you know, it's getting close to 20 years ago now.
01:10:00
And it's just it feels like it was yesterday any time that that anniversary comes up.
01:10:03
And, um, I guess that I just feel very honored to be a part of that That ceremony and I was God, I was able to be a med, and they did such a good job on the Fallen fallen into recognized all the brave men and women of New York City.
01:10:17
That particular night.
01:10:18
Peter Lanza did something pretty special is well, he brought every teammate special cleats for that game.
01:10:23
When you see your cleats on the fact that Pete did it, what was the first thing that went through your mind? Uh, I can't believe he's a rookie at that That was the first time one of my monitor That something you see, you know, guys who have been around a long time do.
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And, um, just for him to have that kind of awareness toe kind of get everybody involved in this because it's one thing to do yourself within its nothingto get every single person that they're involved and find out.
01:10:50
What side could you have? What company you have your endorsement with and then to go on, get creeps made for each person on the team was pretty special And just, you know, for him, if you would have done himself has been awesome.
01:11:02
But to get everybody involved, it was it was a pretty special moment and definitely a special occasion for all the guys you mentioned.
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The fact is, a rookie through your nine years in the majors, you've been around a lot of rookies on the fact that I'm trying to who we had were talking that Steve Blast last.
01:11:20
We talked about being a rookie, and back then you were seeing and you would know you never spoke.
01:11:25
You've been around many rookies.
01:11:27
Have you ever seen one that exhibits forget about his play, but the poison leadership that Pete, you know, exhibits on a daily basis at a rookie.
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If you ever come across that in the game yet, No, this is the first time, I think.
01:11:42
And I think just growing up in the air to give me a little bit more appreciation for two just because you can.
01:11:47
I mean, we all know the New York media is it could be tough times.
01:11:50
And for him to be ableto do with the market off New York, all in itself, in tow, not only have a couple of months, but have six good months.
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Put an entire season together.
01:12:01
And as you get closer, the rookie record and as you've been closer to 50 homers and you know just the way he dealt with everything and the way he was able to go out there every single night still looked like the same player day in and day out.
01:12:13
Having never done it before was incredible.
01:12:15
And like you said, the way he handles interviews, the way he was able to give it time, people that went and asked him it was it was impressive to be be around and I was only there for two months, so I can't imagine what it was like to be around for six and then eat, including spring training.
01:12:29
Yes.
01:12:30
So you mentioned the home run chase when you join the team.
01:12:32
Pete with 16 home runs from tying the major league rookie record five from the franchise single season record as a teammate watching him chase those numbers, is it exciting for ah, teammate as it was for the fans, you know? Did you get caught up in that chases? Well, yeah, Absolutely.
01:12:48
I think, Um, I knew she was having a really good season when I went over there and I saw how far away he was from judges.
01:12:56
Mark, I was like, Okay, maybe maybe he'll get closed.
01:12:59
That seems like a lot. A lot to go.
01:13:01
And then also in there, like mid August beginning September.
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I looked up. I was like, Man, he's like, 46 47.
01:13:06
You got a shot at this and you just kind of went off.
01:13:08
It was it was awesome to watch.
01:13:10
And it's funny.
01:13:11
When I was at the team hotel before I went over the state on the first day you actually drove up and picked me up and brought me over the stadium.
01:13:18
So he was the first Met that I that I was able to meet on a team and just kind of it was cool, going to watch him go through the whole thing.
01:13:24
I say I've got about 47 48.
01:13:27
I mean, every time he came up, when he was at home, the fans were so into every at bat, and when he did that one that broke the record, it was that was an awesome experience.
01:13:36
I was one of the things you do with the record.
01:13:38
No matter how many meetings you played in, my how many teams to play on your over the sea to the record in person and he'll see that was, it was pretty special.
01:13:47
You could tell he was very grateful to be in that spot and able to touch touch judges record.
01:13:53
So one of the things that really sticks out to me in this interview is your belief and the guys in that locker room and something that I want to look forward to next season.
01:14:00
But looking back at last season, there were a lot of things that went wrong, but that team stuck together for me in from outside perspective.
01:14:06
So how was important was it was having a Jacob to Graham and a pita Lonzo to look, too and say, This is the guy he's gonna lead the way, Let's all get in line and you guys believing in each other can can, you know, block out that New York media you were talking about? Yeah, definitely.
01:14:20
I think, you know, it's kind of funny, because when I was with not funny kind of ironic, really, because I was in Chicago braving the I was with the codes when the Mets came into town and the pitching coach just fired a name.
01:14:32
The shoes.
01:14:33
After that, they would Philadelphia and like he was.
01:14:35
I mean, the games were just crazy washing from the outside perspective.
01:14:38
And I'm just thinking, OK, I get the Mets are going.
01:14:40
I mean, I get released by the Cubs, and you know, the Mets were definitely high top of my list, and I'm like, Man, these guys are back in.
01:14:47
I can't believe everything that went on during that time, and now they're still in.
01:14:51
I'm like these guys must be something to be around.
01:14:54
I think the most impressive part about it is that nothing was like said there was no team meeting.
01:14:58
Let's do this. Let's do that.
01:15:00
It was just when you have a giggle program who goes out there, he's proved a year after year and you go down.
01:15:05
You know exactly what to expect every five days.
01:15:07
And starter that is, that's invaluable to a team and invaluable to a boat and invaluable to an offense.
01:15:13
I think, honestly, after being there yet, you know, from the other side where they get to runs or less almost every time he is I can do.
01:15:21
I can tell you why.
01:15:22
Because you get so come from the fact that I'm throwing up a zero every single time that you will sit back a little bit.
01:15:28
But, um, it was awesome.
01:15:31
It was great deal.
01:15:32
Like you said, being on those guys. Like I said, Microphone was great.
01:15:34
Wilson almost did a great job behind the plate.
01:15:36
I can't go, you know he was able to do the whole movie.
01:15:39
You know, what is our situation there Really Well, you have got to be around a while.
01:15:44
That really helps in this situation.
01:15:45
If there was somebody who was gonna die, who knows how that would win over.
01:15:49
But it was never mention was never talked about.
01:15:51
We went about business on a daily basis, you know, just like nothing had happened.
01:15:55
So you look ahead and you look at the playoffs.
01:15:57
They was going on and Washington seem to be making a very nice run.
01:16:01
A main rival fact chief rival for the Mets for the past few years as a Met.
01:16:06
Are you rooting for the Nationals or against the Nationals? I You know what I don't even know? I don't really know.
01:16:15
I like watching the games.
01:16:17
I don't know, really, really rooting for team or not.
01:16:20
I think, you know, it definitely went to that to that regard.
01:16:24
I think you root for the team, that senior division, because it proves how good your division was.
01:16:28
And I think that's what kind of foods.
01:16:30
How could the National League East was this year when look at the Atlanta went against five games against the Cardinals, the Cardinals beat the Brewers in the they had caused, and all the teams that had there and have us be so close to the nationals where when I was there.
01:16:43
I mean, we really be remember single game. I was there.
01:16:46
And to look at them now in a playoff to winds from the World Series kind of makes you even harder like man, we were that close to being will do some special and I think it would be.
01:16:57
I want him in the first game after we eliminated and I sat back in my locker and kind of looked around the locker room and we want a really good game.
01:17:05
I think you look against the Braves the first time you get a raise on.
01:17:07
My manager said this guy was such a waste, an opportunity to share with this group of guys.
01:17:12
You really? I mean, there's a lot of talent there and you kind of you kind of think about the missed opportunity now, like you said, watching National whilst I think you realize topping of a missed opportunity, it was because we had a chance in the playoffs and that's where we could have done.
01:17:26
So you and I texted a little bit the day Mickey was fired and you know, I keep on thinking about, like, personally, I like Mickey is a person.
01:17:33
I think that he did a lot of things.
01:17:36
And again, you know, not being in the clubhouse.
01:17:39
We don't know how much is that? Never say attitude, you know, transferred from the manager.
01:17:45
Um, so you have played for five different organizations.
01:17:48
Five different managers Bud Black, Buck Showalter, Brian Snicker, Joe Maddon and Mickey as a player.
01:17:54
Are there perceivable difference is for each organization and each manager.
01:17:58
And how did they affect the day to day play of a player? You have to give specifics of a team if you want to give or manager if you want. Give specifics.
01:18:06
But you know, we had this conversation.
01:18:08
It seems the Dodgers changed managers, but they yet they continue to win.
01:18:12
The Cardinals changed managers, yet they continue to win the Braves.
01:18:16
The twins.
01:18:17
So could you speak a little bit, too? That Yeah.
01:18:20
Yeah, I think, um, you know, my commanders said it's like, you know, they got incredible women when they win, and they get no credit.
01:18:27
Want booze? It's, uh, on The Commander is a tough job.
01:18:32
It's, um I think there's got to be a balance between having a really good person relationship of guys being It'll keep.
01:18:39
This is business, you know.
01:18:40
It's a tough line to follow there as the manager of the team and especially being making first job in New York.
01:18:49
I couldn't imagine the pressure on the day to day basis to be ableto, you know, deal with your media obligations, your front office obligations and then deal with the players.
01:18:58
And I think it goes for every man Dr Place, why talk? It's a tough job.
01:19:03
Um, you like? I said, You wanna have? You wanna have a report with each guy, but same time, you know, you're not gonna be able to be on that, that the best terms with every single player just not possible.
01:19:13
I think no matter what manager you talk to with any guy that's ever played the game, you will find somebody who had a problem with that manager.
01:19:19
So it's between Things were e.
01:19:22
I think you are only as good as how well the team performs and enforcement.
01:19:27
I think for Mickey with here with the expectations, especially this group of guys that they think It was one of those things where, you know, with the new GM and, um, then thinking that we should be in the playoffs and should be continued for World Series, you know that It's just kind of one of those things where it was time to move on.
01:19:42
And I got nothing but good things to say about making my younger brother pitch for him in the minor leagues with Indians.
01:19:47
And so I've known him for a long time, and my brother has nothing because I am every other guy that I know.
01:19:53
Every other organization had nothing good to say about Mickey, and I'm sure he'll get a good job somewhere else.
01:19:58
And, uh, this one just wasn't meant to be.
01:20:00
But I'm sure was a good learning experience.
01:20:02
Go forward.
01:20:03
And I think that's that's one of the good things about baseball is that you'll learn better, bad something from wherever you're at.
01:20:09
And I think Nikki will definitely be better for moving forward as a pitcher.
01:20:15
Which position is more important to you? The manager, the pitching coach of the bullpen coach.
01:20:20
I think I personally think that the pitching coach in the bullpen coach should be one A 18 then the one that are monitoring your little ones that so many times you've gotten up in the certain day or a week, and I feel like if you told them on the same page and there's no disconnect between the two of them, I thought they should just be almost a two headed monster.
01:20:42
The two pitching coaches we had found fault for Dom Chiti and gave Wallace.
01:20:46
They were every single bullpen.
01:20:48
They were there, standing side by side with each other, So there's no guessing what they think.
01:20:52
They should do it with some guy.
01:20:53
There's no arguments.
01:20:54
Those arguments, they figured out between themselves without the player knowing about it.
01:20:59
And I just think as a picture, especially the bullet path, think the pitching coach in the bullpen coach are your to the Allies and the two guys.
01:21:06
You need to have the best relationship with Brad.
01:21:11
Thank you so much for your time.
01:21:12
Ty I, for one, am hoping opening day.
01:21:14
I get to interview on the you on the field, and I hope to get to say this next year.
01:21:20
Brad Brock, member of the 2020 world champion New York Mets.
01:21:24
That's my hope would be awesome. Yeah, give me kills.
01:21:27
You said that.
01:21:28
I hope I really hope that's the case.
01:21:30
Back. All right, we'll speak soon.
01:21:32
Thank you so much for tonight.
01:21:34
You got it again.
01:21:35
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What do you got for us? They actually was the Wednesday or Thursday paper, but it's so good you can't pass this up, okay? It's really it's really a lesson about what happens when alcohol's involved. You're a jury, Cody.
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Early in the show, we took alcohol, you know, affected.
01:23:17
His life has been dry for sober for 30 something years.
01:23:21
So now we have a Padres pitcher, Jacob Nicks, and he was pitching in the Arizona Foley, and he and another pitcher then caused Tom Cosgrove go out and do a little bit of drinking.
01:23:32
Well, maybe they do a lot of drinking, and they're going back to Ah Nix's apartment, a tricycle window where he thinks he says he claims was his apartment this You could win by opening.
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Do with his keys? No.
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He tries to go through a doggie door on.
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Of course, he gets stuck.
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Now.
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He admits to police later.
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Not only doesn't have a doggy door in his house, he doesn't have a dog.
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Gets into the door.
01:23:58
Could get stuck.
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Of course it wakes up the homeowner The homework, Um, sees the guy sees next with this face through the doggy door.
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You know, he takes his foot and pushes him back.
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And that's not the end of this story.
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Because they go to leave and the holder pulls out his taser.
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So not only does he get kicked in the face, but he gets tasered.
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And, of course, he gets arrested for, you know, trespass or whatever it is has to appear in court now for misdemeanor charge.
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And he doesn't it After what he had no memory.
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Really? What happened? No idea what he did this.
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And was the alcohol tough? So and I'm just like he got stuck in that doggie door.
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And I have to tell you, this might be one of those defining moments in a quarterback's career.
01:25:29
This guy, you know, came in today and basically, you know, war flak jacket like guys warm World War two.
01:25:36
Well, what do you make of the performance today by the Jets quarterback.
01:25:41
I loved it, man.
01:25:43
That was kind of the example of how this Justine pretty much played all day.
01:25:47
And after that long field goal by Mara and even after a late touchdown by Zeke, you're just figuring on man.
01:25:53
Same old Jets.
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But damn, Donald led the way.
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He looked confident out there, got everybody involved and they hung on. And I think you're right.
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This was a big victory, not just for the team but for Sam Donald.
01:26:04
I think this is a step in the right direction for this, or they make sure things to look at this game.
01:26:09
I think one of the things getting back to the finding moment was the second and short where he called a quarterback sneak.
01:26:15
That to me speaks volumes about the man that Sam Darnell is.
01:26:19
Well, you guys know that.
01:26:21
I mean, the best players want the ball's in their hands at the big times and for him to be able to take that and it's one thing that call that so actually execute that play.
01:26:30
But I have the confidence to go out there, actually get the first down, look around every like this is the man that just looking for a guy like this for a long time.
01:26:37
We're gonna step up like that and take that.
01:26:40
I think that both buying the other part of that, too.
01:26:42
There's not just Donald returning what did for the offense, which is, you know, missing for three games.
01:26:46
But take a look with Greg Williams defense.
01:26:48
Finally, Not only did they have to stop on the two point conversion, the end, but then a couple of stops, not the end of the first half of the whole field goals.
01:26:55
Ah, and that's no.
01:26:56
This also is time.
01:26:57
The first game the defense showed up.
01:26:59
So it also helps when you're not.
01:27:00
Your offense is going for an hour on the field all the time.
01:27:02
How important was an eight minute drive to the Jets defense? Oh, we've seen that in years past.
01:27:08
I always remember the seven Super Bowl for the Giants and one of the big reasons why they won that throwing things at the ball for so long on, and I think that that's a recipe for success in the NFL.
01:27:19
If you're a team like that, no, you know the Jets are gonna put up 35 points.
01:27:22
But if you can the Dallas offense off the field, run the football, keep them off the field.
01:27:26
I think that did.
01:27:28
So did wonders for the off.
01:27:36
It's three losses in a row now for the Cowboys.
01:27:39
Big trouble for them.
01:27:40
They're gonna rate strip.
01:27:41
It's such a easy division of my being outside of the Eagles.
01:27:46
You know, they're clearly better than the Giants and the Redskins, so we'll be able to get on the right track against those two teams.
01:27:52
As bad is a look for them the last couple of weeks, Uh, they're still right in the thick of things.
01:27:57
So knowing that team, they're just gonna take it one day and it sounds cliche one game out of time.
01:28:02
Take a look where they're at in the standings, and I anticipate them figuring it out in a rather than later less bad teams.
01:28:08
Miami puts Ryan Fitzpatrick and wins the game, but that's not the game.
01:28:12
Would last game on the board before I let you go is what do you make of the Kansas City Chiefs lost today? I think it's more of the example of how targets this show, Watson, that we've talked so much about Patrick Mahoney.
01:28:22
But you got to give it the d W men.
01:28:24
If you're making out of M V P List, he's gotta be one or two right now.
01:28:28
Unbelievable. It was a great game.
01:28:30
Two great quarterbacks.
01:28:31
So, Jay, we appreciate it.
01:28:32
Lots of great stuff in the NFL, As always each week, you never know what you're gonna get No other than in New England.
01:28:38
When you, you know you thanks so much, they will speak to you next week.
01:28:42
You got a guy's never going.
01:28:44
You got Jay pressure here, reaching every week sponsored by just Escape ally dot com Fun Show Today If you missed it, the video archive will be on the website Sports talk and why live dot com, the audio podcast of both Gerry Cooney and Brad Brock will be available on the Web site is when I shout out to took it to the men's club.
01:29:01
The club Melville was just the way we got to get out. I had a great time.
01:29:05
Thank you all for listening to us and provided we hope to do more.
01:29:09
So if you're interested Also a J and I make public appearances.
01:29:12
Well, all right, we'll see everyone next week.
01:29:14
Have a good one, everybody, Theo.

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