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Listen, folks, another great weekend in the NFL.
I mean, how can how can you get much better than what we saw over these last 24 hours? We've had some great games.
We had some interesting developments.
When it comes to particular storylines, different teams, different players on, we're ready to talk.
And, Mike, it's so ready to talk about it.
He's just chomping at the bit, tapping at the computer.
Jesus, Mike, Just joking, buddy.
Welcome to the show.
How you doing, my friend? No, no, no.
You know, and no days off, buddy.
You gotta consistently keep that newsbreak and keep those wheels turning.
And you've got to keep everything going at the same clip.
But now I agree with you in action packed weekend, Uh, tough weekend up here in New England, you know, no football in the last football that we saw.
It wasn't exactly the greatest football in the world, but from another NFL perspective, A lot of big wins.
I think we're finding out a lot about certain teams work.
And, you know, I think it z gonna be, you know, good.
So we're looking forward to it.
To our credit, I think we I think we knew a little bit about Pittsburgh heading into this one.
But you mentioned it well, and I guess we'll start right there real quick.
And that is, you know, the Steelers.
I mean, they've lost two in a row.
Now, this team that was the last undefeated in the league who looked for weeks to be pretty vulnerable in a team that just I'm not saying that they got there solely because of their schedule, but, you know, Hey, I think it helped.
And I don't think anyone realistically saw them as this This you know, this big, big time team and they have See, I think they thought they were a good team, but certainly not the hands down favorite, and I think that's starting to play out, because I mean I mean, I I think I think you'd be You'd be hard pressed to convince someone that they are any better than the third best team in the A F C.
And I think that might even be a stretch because I think we have Ah, Buffalo.
I think we have Kansas City. Andi.
We'll get to Kansas City in a minute.
But Pittsburgh, just to me, doesn't seem.
And we saw it last night against Buffalo.
Doesn't seem like there on that level.
And for a team that was the last undefeated in the NFL, that's usually not the case.
But I do feel the Steelers are step behind these guys, and at the end of the day at the beginning of the season, they were getting great quarterback play.
Now they're not.
And let yesterday during our, uh, post Sunday NFL chat, I guess you want to call it here on a SportsCastr.
One of the things that I talked about and have you know, really, for a very, very long time have just, you know, been confused as to why this is still saying But people say defense wins championships.
Defense is great.
You wanna have a good defense? This is a quarterback driven league.
So no matter what happens, uh, if you have poor quarterback play, you're not gonna win much in this league.
And that that's essentially what you know we're seeing from the best teams and the worst teams in this league.
And it's very consistent.
So anyone who says otherwise is just kidding themselves and and sticking to a tradition or old saying like they do Turkey on Thanksgiving.
And yes, folks, I'm not ever letting that go.
Yeah, they're Steelers are good team.
They're going to go to the playoffs.
They're probably going to win the A F C North and I say probably with about 70% confidence because, well, the Cleveland Browns play tonight, and if they win tonight, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, these final three weeks and the A F C North become very, very interesting.
So if I were the Steelers, I'd be concerned because not only are they losing games now, but they're also losing players or losing key defensive players.
But to Pre has missed now, two weeks since being injured and, you know, their defense has taken a step back.
They got some nice players, but, you know, you can only withstand so many injuries.
And then on top of that, uh, mediocre at best quarterback player? Yeah, I mean at that.
That's a fair comparison.
I mean, I saw last night, and I did talk to him a little bit about this are good.
Mutual friend Evelyn's are compared, uh, the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2020.
Kind of like the 2019 Patriots starting off eight.
You know, uh, you know, uh, start for this team against a pretty rough for a pretty easy I should say, schedule pretty, you know, rough time saying that they played very formidable opponents.
And then all of a sudden, they start playing better teams in the second half of the season and their offense gets exposed.
And that's exactly what you're seeing.
Look, Ben's having difficulty, you know, moving the football.
The whole offense is having difficulty move.
You're not seeing them capitalized on mo mentum when the defense makes a play, those air key moments and those air key things that good teams overcome and you're just not seeing the other Pittsburgh Steelers do that, then throws his first pick six.
I mean, you know, you have to look at things like this and say, Okay, well, if an offense is having difficulty moving the football, as good as the defense has been a times they're going to have problems in the postseason.
They're gonna have problems when they start playing legitimate competition.
And you've seen that and, uh, credit the Buffalo Bills.
They took it to them last night.
I think that they caught a sputtering Steelers offense, so the Bills definitely have to look at that and take it in stride.
But what I'm seeing in Buffalo is appears to what I'm seeing instead, Pittsburgh.
It's like a tale of two cities right now.
And of these two.
Excuse me of these two teams on taking the Buffalo Bills right now over the Pittsburgh Steelers, well, and to your comparison, to be fair to the Patriots the last year, I think I do think that there are a lot of comparisons, although I think you can trace, uh, their struggles on offense to ah, lot of the injuries and and departures that that came you know, around the time that that team started to sputter last year.
Whereas I think this Pittsburgh team is as much of the same.
We mentioned some of the losses on defense, but again, they're struggling farm or on offense and what they were earlier in the season.
And, you know, again, Yeah, there's a lot of teams.
I've probably taken a playoff matchup right now over the Steelers.
Um, you know, again, I put Give me the bills and the Chiefs over the Steelers.
I might take the Colts over the Steelers right now.
Um, I don't know about the Ravens.
Uh, probably Brown's.
I mean, I guess it depends.
So if the Browns go out and have, uh, an elite game and by that I mean, like, if they go out and do what they're supposed to dio, which I think is win this game and win it fairly, uh, convincingly.
And I don't mean by like a large margin, but by just, you know, playing really good football and showing that they're a better team than the Ravens.
Then I think I'd put Cleveland up there as well because as much as I'm impressed with what Cleveland is doing.
I I still have reservations because it's the Browns and and and maybe it's unfair to them because, hey, they're not, You know, they're not, ah, prisoners of their past history, but it's still the Browns, and I'm still gonna hesitate before I start putting a lot of faith in them.
But, uh, don't kid yourself.
The Browns are a really good team, and I you know, they might be a better team and they have seen North.
And at the end of day, they may end up winning the division.
So we'll kind of see we'll have a better idea if that's a possibility after tonight.
If they win, um, stick it in the A F C.
The Miami Dolphins put up what I thought was a pretty, pretty, uh, hard fought battle against the Chiefs, and you talk about some of the best teams in the league.
Well, I think the Chiefs are the most well balanced, a complete team across the board.
Now again, that that doesn't mean they're not without their flaws.
I mean, every team in this league has flaws.
Even the best teams in the league have their moments where hey, they can produce on offense or hey, they can't stop anyone on defense.
Uh, the Chiefs overcame overcame three interceptions and some very poor quarterback play from Patrick Mahomes.
Now give him credit, made some plays down the stretch.
But look, if we're gonna hold certain other quarterbacks to certain standards, he's gonna get the same, uh, standard.
He was bad yesterday, and and, look, I mean, we sit here and kind of harp on him a little bit more than most.
Or at least I do.
I'm not gonna put words in my co host mouth, but I certainly harp on him a little bit more than most.
Because again, I think he gets a little too much favoritism and a little too much props quote unquote when it comes to what he does and how he does things.
And look, folks, he's not the only one that does things, except for maybe taking a sack for 30 yards.
That that was that was impressive.
Okay, that was pretty unique because I don't think it's happened since, like 1997 s.
Oh, there you go back from homes.
You finally did something that Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson can't dio.
Um, look, I don't hate to kid.
I don't just like the kid.
I think he's a young quarterback that has some highlight type moments.
Uh, that there really grab the attention of most, uh, I don't want to say casual fans in the, uh, insulting way, but casual fans and there's no other way Thio put it, unless they call it part time fans.
And I feel like that's almost like Mawr insulting.
Uh, but he's a good quarterback who has flaws.
And I think they were very evident yesterday against the Dolphins because you want to sit here and say, Oh, well, you know that first interception was, you know, the first interception was a combination of lazy mechanics and a bad throw, and it turned into a deflected pass that turned into an interception and look, we see it all the time ball, which is great, and I'm not knocking it because his athleticism allows him thio create these opportunities.
I mean, it helps that again.
The people around him are making these place for him.
But we saw what could be a fatal flaw for this team down the stretch.
What happens When you force him to consistently have to make tight throws and make tight decisions and quick decisions, he tends to struggle.
We've seen it against the Patriots.
Now again, to his credit and to the credit of the Chiefs teams haven't been able to do that for a complete 60 minutes.
We saw it in the Super Bowl we saw against, uh, you know, teams like New England in the past with Brady.
Obviously, the Patriots have won two out of the three with Brady, and you could make an argument that they probably should be.
Should have been three, you know, had, you know, to kill Harry actually been called inbounds like he should have.
But, you know, we've seen other teams kind of do the same things where they're like, Okay, well, you know, if if Tyreke doesn't get 10 yards open down the field, well, we have a pretty good chance that limiting this offense and then, you know, from there, you know, let's see if we could beat the very good chief's defense.
So, um, I don't know.
Maybe I'm maybe I'm being a little bit too harsh, Mike, but I thought he wasn't good although again it's all about the narratives.
It's all about what players you like and dislike.
And if you if you hate Brady, um uh, like a certain Mr Wright who was su****iously silent yesterday after going on a barrage against Brady just a couple weeks ago.
So what were your thoughts on the Mahomes performance? And, um, I am I crazy? Am I being a little Thio? A little too harsh on the kid? Well, I mean a little too harsh, maybe a little bit, but I think you're more right than you are wrong.
Look, bottom line.
This kid is going to have games where he looks like an average quarterback, where he's going to be carried by the supporting cast that he has around him and their ability to make plays.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
There were times when Tom was carried his supporting misters well, where maybe he didn't have his best game and the Patriots were still able to come through with a victory.
It doesn't make you necessarily less of a quarterback.
It on Lee accentuates the fact that football is the ultimate team game, and I think in a lot of ways, Um, you know, they're one of those players.
Meaning, you know, Brady versus Mahomes has been inadequately, um, you know, malign for having a good supporting cast around him and the other one.
I don't think his supporting cast has gotten enough credit.
I think it becomes a situation where he's basically leading the team single handedly to victory.
And that's not the case.
Look, the one thing that stood out to me with the Kansas City Chiefs he has is there right now, predicated on winning a lot of high scoring games.
Kansas City, for the second time in three weeks, almost wasted a three score lead in the fourth quarter.
That's not going to cut it in the playoffs, folks.
It's just not you're gonna be playing different competition.
You're gonna be playing competition that's focused in exclusively on you, that if you're gonna repeat a Super Bowl champions, they have to figure out a way to button down that defense.
The talent is there.
This scheme is there.
It's just a matter of putting it together for all 48 minutes.
So if I'm the Chiefs, I'm really mawr concerned about that right now.
Then maybe some of the, you know, regressions like regressions.
Probably the wrong word.
But maybe some of the struggles of Patrick Mahomes at times he's gonna right the ship.
He's gonna get himself correct where he needs to be.
I don't get a chance to really give this guy a lot of credit at all.
Mostly, but Travis Kelsey had a big game yesterday, 136 yard receiving for a touchdown.
So big moment for him.
But I was really impressed by the Miami Dolphins performance yesterday.
Look, I think the Dolphins defense, I think, is ready to compete with and ultimately, uh, really, I think take it to any defense in the A F. C right now.
That's how good they looked.
They've been one of the best stories this year.
Let's face it, you go from a five and 11 teen, uh, two playoff contention and safer maybe adding a few pieces here and there.
Theofanis of Playmaker, uh, you know, position.
This team's gonna be in contention for a while.
Bryan Flores has done a great job, So credit The Miami Dolphins were really coming up big and nearly nearly being able to take out the defending champs.
Not an easy task, but as far as you're concerned with Mahomes Yeah, I think you're more right than you are wrong.
Maybe a little too harsh, but more right than you are wrong.
Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't say.
I wouldn't say it's necessarily a concern, because that would, I guess that would insinuate that this is a new thing.
This is this is a pattern to me, and I think we and we we talk about this and I don't want I don't Look, I don't like putting too much, uh, emphasis on this because I do think it z at the end of the day kind of silly thio harp on what could have happened or what should have happened.
But I think there is observations or information you can, uh, take from the fact that again, you know that this idea that he throws more off target power most quarterbacks and eventually and people say the planet eventually that's going to catch up to you.
And and now all of a sudden, you throw three picks yesterday against the Dolphins.
Um, doesn't mean he's gonna all of a sudden and fall off the rails and throw a bunch of interceptions? No, but I think the more this happens, the more you know some of these players.
Or maybe some of these teams snap out of this delusional state of, you know, thinking this guy is somehow so much better than the next guy below him.
I mean, I thought going into this weekend that he wasn't even the M V P leader and and I mean this weekend, if anything, why didn't that gap to the point of not being able to catch up? Because I think this is clearly Aaron Rodgers Award to lose at this point.
Hey through, I think, another three touchdowns.
He's up to 39 on the year.
He's had a really good season with a team that's far less talented around him.
Now, the one caveat being is you could make an argument that Davante Adams might be the best offensive weapon out of both of those teams.
But what you can't argue is that the Chiefs are far Mawr stacked offensively and and again, we've we've seen it.
They've been like this.
This is the fifth year in a row that they've won this division.
Patrick Mahomes has only been playing for three years.
That means this team was really good before Patrick Mahomes got here.
And some of these players have only gotten better.
So, um, look, I I you know, I some people have this again illusion that who's gonna be Kansas City in the A F.
C? Well, you know, look at the colts.
Look at the bills.
I mean, if you're going to sit here and tell me what team can beat the I think the bills could be two chiefs as crazy as it sounds.
And maybe again, maybe this is how far my delusions that brought me is that I'm actually, you know, picking a team that that is one of the closest rivals or divisional rivals team that I root for in the Patriots.
But, you know, look at the bills.
If you're gonna have ah, game with the Chiefs and the Bills.
I probably picked the bills in that game.
Um, look at that again.
I'm holding judgment on the Browns until after today, because again, I don't know.
Maybe they go out and and **** the bed tonight, and and all of this ideas of them actually taking the next step forward, go out the window.
But if they go out and have another solid elite team win, all of a sudden I'm like, you know what? Give me the Browns.
Maybe the Browns could do it.
I mean, eso that this idea that they're invincible is not true.
Um, you know, I think I don't know.
I've got to find maybe this offseason.
I gotta find some balance with how I view this whole situation.
Because, as I've explained before, it's it's part of it is trying to balance out the the absurd nature of the coverage surrounding them.
And we heard it yesterday.
It's like I can't remember.
There was a very short period of time I actually had the volume up on the broadcast because again, I was mostly watching the Bucks game at the time.
And there was there was something.
I think it was like a throwaway pass or something that that Tony Romo ended up just falling over Patrick Mahomes.
And it's just like and and that's the point all day.
You're waiting, chomping at the bit, knowing you wanna, you know, make some, uh, over the top exaggerated, uh, statement or whatever, and I think I might have just made that word up.
But he was chomping and and and this is what happens.
They start like praising, going over the top for incomplete passes.
And, like I mentioned last week, the reading, the coverage, reading the open field, which again was 15 yards of length and the width of the entire field.
It's like, Who can't see that except for maybe Jameis.
Winston Jameis Winston might not be able to see that open field.
Probably sick, of course.
I just you know, I try to balance things out.
Maybe I take it a little over the top.
Maybe at the end of day, I'm gonna be approved.
Proven right when you know hey, maybe 10 years from now, its's career goes the way of, you know, at best, Aaron Rodgers, which is a very fine career, but certainly not this on pace for a goat level career type stuff.
And again, I think the biggest impression of my rant and disorganized thought process is that it's they're just gonna be some reasonable takes with all of this There's gotta be some reasonable expectations.
Because if you continue continue to cover him eventually, more people are gonna come my way.
Okay, then you're gonna have a whole bunch of people hate the kid for for years because people of you know, like Nick right have have jammed him down your throats and and giving you this, like hyperbolic, uh, method of covering them.
So, you know, we'll see.
We'll see how it happens.
You know how some adversity, Because again, you know the bills, That's a tough matchup.
The Browns could be a tough matchup.
The Colts could be a tough matchup.
Um, getting this first round by is gonna be huge and and, you know, for for the most part, I don't see them losing that.
So that's a good thing for the Chiefs.
No, definitely not.
I don't see them losing that either.
And I think you're on to something when it comes to the coverage of the homes.
And I think again, this is really where we have our problem or not more or less with what this kid does on the field or what you know, people give him credit for.
There's a lot to give this kid credit for, he said.
A tremendous career.
Up until this point, we'll continue to do so.
Then I don't think he's, you know, by any stretch of the imagination of flashing the and or anything to that nature.
Uh, this kid is gonna be around.
He's gonna be around for a good, long time, among the best in the game at the time. He's playing.
But there's also that balance when it comes in and it's in the moment right now.
Right now, Patrick Mahomes is the hot name.
The Chiefs are the defending champions.
They're talking it up because don't forget, the NFL is the probably one of the biggest marketing companies in the country.
You know, they people think, Oh, well, you know NFL football NFL was more about marketing than it is about actual Next doesn't know football on the field.
And the marketing of the next big thing is exactly what the NFL wants.
In terms of being able to get a steady stream of revenue, be able to, you know, consistently put people on the edge of their seat every single time that these teams take the field.
The chiefs of the hot team.
They're fun to watch.
We've talked about this several times with, you know, Jon snappy Chetty.
When he's been on here, it really is.
It's It's a very you know, it's a very easy, uh, you know, fit for the NFL to say.
Okay, well, this is it.
This is who we're gonna market now Take a look at the commercials during the NFL, you know, games that you see.
You see Patrick Mahomes a lot more than you see a lot of other quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers definitely up there.
But you see Patrick a lot mawr, and that's by design.
They're giving you the next big things on the field in terms of what this kid's gonna be able to do.
That's gonna be the true legacy of his his foot.
You know, his NFL legacy.
So I keep coming back to the Ric Flair quote.
Now let's see you do it again.
And that's exactly what we're gonna have to see sustained success and sustained excellence for a good long time.
Is he up to it? I think he's up to The challenge will be. Do it.
That's another thing that there are a lot of things that have to go your way and a lot of things you have to make go your way in order for that to happen.
We've seen the great ones do that consistently.
They've gotten things going their way, but they've also made most of it go their way.
Patrick's gonna have to do the same in order to be considered in that pantheon.
And here's Here's the big difference, though.
There's sustained success.
And then there's Tom Brady sustained success, and I think it's two different levels.
He can have a great career where he has sustained success throughout his entire career, but it may not ever match that level of sustained success that Brady has had.
And that's where and and I know people like, Oh, it always comes back to Brady.
Well, it does, because people have wanted Thio make the case that he's on pace to be the greatest of all time.
Well, when you start doing that, then everything is, you know, relative.
You know, when you bring Brady up so appropriate.
Rather, when you bring Brady up in this discussion, so sustained success is great and that could lead to a very, very fine career, a career that could last a very long time.
You could have a lot of success, but at the end of day it could not even come close to Brady's.
And that's really the point of all this.
Is that you know, I brought up the other day.
I can't remember Maybe a week or two ago we were talking about, you know, Patrick Mahomes throwing for 10,000 yards, Uh, in his first three seasons, which which is great, which is fantastic.
I mean, let's let's not kid ourselves, that that's a great mark.
But, you know, you know, and people just assume that this, uh, you know, Patrick's gonna do the same things Brady does bubbled up.
To put things into perspective, Patrick Mahomes will have to repeat the same feat.
I'm talking about roughly 10,000 yards, and I don't have exact number, so it may be off slightly, but he's gonna have to repeat the same exact feet six more times in his career, Thio equal the number of passing yards that Tom Brady has ac***ulated over the course of his career, and again, we're not saying like, Oh, if you have more passing yards, you're better.
That's that's not the case.
It's just to give you an idea off.
How much Mawr Patrick Mahomes is gonna have to dio.
And then you know this This This goes for many other things, and and again, we're going to see some numbers get inflated because we're going into this new era football where where Brady played half his career in the old era and half of it in the new one.
So you know we're going members eventually balance out, but you know that that's that's absurd.
That means 18 more years, 18 more years of Patrick Mahomes having to keep up the same type of production to match that type of production towards the end of his career.
And that's what I'm talking about.
Like he could do half that and still have an incredible career.
The point is to do that.
People, I think, are just so easily easy to dismiss, how difficult and how incredible that iss.
I mean, we give Drew Brees crap all the time and no, I don't think he's in discussion for the greatest quarterback of all time and that best.
Maybe he's right outside the top 10, in my opinion, but to ac***ulate the a number of yards he has over the course of the length of his career, not everyone can play 20 years in the league.
I mean, that's just the thing.
Like people just Oh, yeah, yeah, new health, new, this new that it's still football on.
I don't care what position you play.
Playing 20 years in any sport is an incredible accomplishment.
So to just assume that this is something that's going to happen and, oh, yeah, he's already on pace on pace for this on pace. For that.
I use it all the time, and I butchered it the last time I used this example.
But again, for quarterback those 11 touchdowns in the first two weeks of the season, which has happened six and five, that's that's incredibly reasonable. It happens.
People going spurts.
No one in their right mind sits there and says, realistically that they're on pace for 88 touchdowns by the end of the year.
Because, look, we have one guy, Aaron Rodgers, who might break 50 might and that that that would involve that I believe, a 12 11 touchdowns and over the next three games.
So you have to use common sense when you look at this.
And I think right now it's far too early to make any sort of projections about Patrick Mahomes career, Um, certainly ones that involve him being listed as the greatest of all time.
When it's not just about him, it's about the disrespect towards some of the other guys that have come through.
I mean, we talk about Brady all the time because I do think he's he is the gold standard.
But what about Joe Montana? What about Peyton Manning? What about John Elway? Johnny United? All these guys that have come before him and all of a sudden people are just like, not just fans, but national people like, Oh, the greatest thrower of this, that and the other.
And I'm just like I can't do.
I can't do a deal with him like I don't know.
I know I completely agree with you.
I mean, and and we've gone on record several.
Sometimes this is not a revelation.
Anybody listening this morning knows that we have a problem with that in a lot of ways.
I think I hate to say this time made it look easy for a number of years, and I think a lot of what you're seeing reactions to This is a reaction to what town did for the last 20 years in New England, making it look like this is something that the next quarterback that comes along is gonna be able to do the same thing because he can throw a behind the back pass because he could scramble because he could get the throw, the ball on the run, a little bit.
Better reason better of it.
I saw Tom roll out to his right and throw a dart in the back of the end zone yesterday, Absolutely, But he won't get credit for that because he doesn't do it on a regular basis.
It's considered an anomaly rather than the normal.
But Tom is capable of doing that, folks, we did see him do it even dare I say maybe even tuck it and run it for a few yards when he absolutely has to know.
I'm not saying Tom Brady is a running quarterback, folks, I'm not drinking that much Kool Aid, but I mean beyond belief, I I don't think he gets enough credit for being the savvy, versatile quarterback that he was all these years.
Look, bottom line, no question about it.
When it comes to Tom, he did.
He made it look easy, and I think in a lot of ways, Ah, lot of people, a lot of casual fans are looking at that and saying, Well, this can be replicated especially by a guy that may have a little bit more athletic prowess than Tom Brady in Patrick Mahomes.
They don't stop and think of what you need to do to get to that level.
What it takes, the dedication, the ability to read defense is the ability to be smarter than the opposing defense, which is so difficult to dio.
Tom Brady made that look easy, and I think when you look at the quarterbacks that are out there today, I think a lot of people want that type of success.
Um, and the people that you know want to erase the Patriots place in this in history or eclipse it are just hoping that anybody, somebody comes along and is able to do what Brady and Belichick did so that way.
They don't have to continue to give him credit, and I know both of them credit, and I know a lot of people feel that way.
They won't admit it.
But several of our colleagues in the media throughout the country, I'm sure, are just rooting for someone, anyone, a BB, anybody but Brady or a BB A a BB anybody for Brady and Belichick, because it's just, you know, uh, please don't do that.
Please don't do that.
I'm just I'm just getting into the night out of my head and I don't play that now, but I prefer that you gotta get That's exactly what's going on.
And that is a big reason why you're seeing that great exodus toward the coverage for guys like Patrick because they're so eager to eclipse what the Patriots did and just not wipe it out because you could never wipe it out.
But put it on the back burner.
Look at this new, shiny toy.
Don't pay any attention to what happened for the last 20 years that's passed.
And you know, even it doesn't always have to be about the Patriots, either again, because you know, we saw we saw this play out with Aaron Rodgers early in his career.
He wins the Super Bowl early, and all of a sudden it was this this, this this Well, you know, it's 2020 and he may finally get back to the Super Bowl now, uh, this year and there's a good chance he could, You know, he could win an M v p.
And I think he will win an M v p.
And that that will do.
And this is discussion that I had with Kyle Center a bit.
Um, I think if he wins an M v p another a third M v p regardless of a Super another Super Bowl, when I think it does elevate him within the A little bit within the hierarchy how much he moves up, I'm not quite sure.
And this is a point that Kyle made was without multiple Super Bowl wins.
It's really gonna be hard for him to surpass some of the guys in front of him when it comes to the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
I know people well, still sit here, and I know recently bias is gonna start sitting in and be like, you know, people are gonna go back and be like, Oh, well, you know, I always felt Aaron Rodgers was better than break.
We've already We've already seen it.
We've already seen this revisionist history start to come up again, and it's part of the cycle, and it is what it is.
But, you know, he wins the third M V p with or without a Super Bowl championship.
I do think that that helps elevate him a little bit, but he really is gonna have to win, Ah, Super Bowler to to really jump into that next year of top level quarterbacks of all time.
Uh, but even then, even if he does, he's still so much ****her away from Tom Brady and guys like Joe Montana and and where were, you know, at age 37 with him? So let's see how the homes career plays out a little bit.
Before, um, you mentioned something about reading defense's and adjusting to stuff like that.
That's one of the things I have concerns about and not to the point of, you know, he's completely inept at doing that.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is I've seen plenty to suggest that.
Well, if things aren't working perfectly, you know by by their offensive standards and you know he's going to struggle and eventually, eventually these teams are going to get less and less afraid of the illusion that oh, it Z you know, there's the red zone anywhere on the field for the Chiefs.
No, it's a red zone anywhere on the field for the Chiefs.
If you let Tyree kill run 10 yards behind you, which you could do in an instant and when that happens, we'll Yeah, guess what? Anyone can chuck the ball up and just have him go get it and make a big chunk plays like that.
Let's, uh, let's shift our attention, though.
Thio, that 43 year old youngster down there and Tampa Bay, Um, you had a really good game yesterday.
I know people, and this was very, very predictable.
He already saw it maybe about five minutes after the game ended.
Well, the only through 196 years because he only threw the ball 23 times.
Um, people will sit there and and this was the best part about yesterday's game was that people So we're so more concerned with a inaccurate pass on like his third pass of the game.
I mean, I saw people sit there and say He's washed, He's this, He's that and I'm thinking like he's throwing three passes this game and you're already making a definitive proclamation on what his game is today and what his career is.
Apparently on Bond.
Not surprisingly, he went out and had a really good game.
He made an incredible, uh, deep throw to Scotty Miller, right on point for a touchdown.
We mentioned the rollout touchdown to Rob Gronkowski, and look, you just had an efficient day on offense.
And that's not to say that this Bucks team is flawless.
They have a lot of issues.
Um, you know, let's let's start with the fan base for one.
They got to figure out what the hell they got a route for, because I saw people sitting there blaming Brady's one missed pass for all the issues.
And I'm sitting here scratching my head, saying, Were you not watching the same defense I was because that looks like peewee football tackling uh to me and by tackling.
I mean, there wasn't any.
It was terrible.
I mean, I've never seen such poor tackling for almost an entire half of football.
They eventually tightened up.
They played better.
Uh, they reverted a little bit back to that, a two beginning of the second half, but at the end of the day, they played well enough.
Aziz did the offense, and I think, Look, I think Tom played really well and he's 43 years old, has 30 touchdowns, 3500 yards and 11 interceptions at 43 years old, and people are calling them washed.
I I just I can't I just don't understand.
Like I don't like, I don't get it, but it's what you believe as opposed to what you want to believe.
And I think most people will look at that and tell you they don't believe that Brady is washed up, but they wanna believe he's washed up.
They wanna laugh at the 43 year old man out there making an ass out of himself in self Florida.
They want to see him throw, pick sixes.
They want to see him throw interceptions.
They want to see him throwing completions yellow Bruce Arians Get called out by Bruce Arians after the game.
This is all fodder for the Brady hater. They love it.
They absolutely love it.
They can't get enough of it.
But Brady, I think, did enough to kind of quell that storm yesterday.
Did they magically fix all of the issues that are wrong with this team? No.
You hit the nail on the head.
They absolutely did not.
But Tom Brady threw two touchdown passes.
You mentioned them.
Scotty Miller, Rob Gronkowski finding reliable targets.
Guys he can, you know, find a good report with.
And it was it was great to see him do that yesterday.
Also want Give a lot of credit to Ronald Jones to have a solid running game behind Tom yesterday.
80 yards, 18 carries that help keep the Vikings off balance if you can balance Tom Brady and that offense, that pass attack with a solid run game led by Ronald Jones.
All of a sudden, you're looking at a team that's very difficult to contain on offense because you don't know what they're gonna be capable of doing at any given moment.
They can hand the ball off or they can chuck the ball down the field, and Brady proved he's still as the arm to do it for anybody that's still thinks that his arm is a noodle or whatever.
Other times does he have toe real quick? How many times does he have to prove he has the arm? Because a 77? Because, like, I have yet to find an example and people say, Oh, he and And this was the big thing over the off season and I beat to death and I for for a time I I question whether or not I was just going insane.
But I came back around and realized No, no, I'm just I'm just writing.
Everyone else is crazy.
Maybe that's the definition of insanity.
That's beside the point in this situation.
I don't think I'm insane because I've been I was sitting there saying, like Where you seeing this? He's lost his arm strength because, you know, to me, that means well, there'd be a noticeable number off, uh, not inaccurate passes because again, completion percentage doesn't mean inaccuracy, and I think people are are falsely equating completion percentage with arm strength, which I don't really get that.
But each and every week you see this guy hooked the ball down the field.
Whether or not it's completed is irrelevant.
Um, the fact that it's traveling with precision and or or distance it's that should negate any sort of talk about him not having an arm, because we've seen each and every week, every single week him dispute that and still people.
We'll sit there and be like, Oh, his deep ball is he doesn't have a deep ball.
He can't throw the deep ball like, What do you watch? What do you think you're watching Drew Brees like? Come on, what are we doing here? So because again, what they're going to do is they're gonna look at Tom Tom and alright, Quarterback X.
We always bring up.
It will stay a quarterback, a top tier quarterback in the league right now.
Pick your poison, folks.
You can throw Rodgers and they're gonna throw my homes.
You could throw Russell anybody that you want to throw in there as the quarterback being compared to Brady right now.
Two almost identical passes, maybe a little more zip on quarterback excess ball in Tom's is but to pretty much identical passes, side by side, watching the coaches film watching the tape, same result.
Go for the same yardage, hit the touchdown.
Whose do you think is gonna be critiqued a lot more.
It's gonna be Brady's, and the reason for that is because Brady is the target.
He's lived long enough in the NFL to see himself become the villain.
Everything that you want to believe about, this guy is going to be attacked.
They're going toe.
Look to bring it down because it's what the public wants.
You know, we get on the media a lot of times for pushing their own agenda, but it's the public that wants to consume this.
It's the public that salivates at the thought of looking and saying, Brady's Brady's washed.
Oh, yeah, I love that article. Look at that.
Let me click on that nine times because he's washed.
I want to read it, and I wanna believe that he's washed up.
It's not necessarily the case.
I always said, Use your eyes.
Use your common sense.
You'll see that things were different, but people don't want to see when things are different.
They want to believe that the 43 year old man is a laughing stock and I think not alive now if you believe it.
Thank you, George. Absolutely.
Seek a stanza once again.
I've been burned.
I'll be I've been burning through Seinfeld episodes on who, Lou for For the last, Like, three days.
It's just been on repeat while I've been working.
So I've been I've been consuming a lot of the sign.
Let's put it that way.
You know, that was that was great, though, that that really, really was I like that.
Yeah, that episode is on the other night, so I really, really wanted to, you know, put that put that in there.
But in any case, I really am.
I really am amused.
Every time I see the over the top criticism that this guy continues to get, I mean, at halftime, Tampa Bay was playing in a pretty good game, and you would never know it by some of the Twitter.
Roddy, they were out there just absolutely *******.
Brady and the Bay Buccaneers.
They were really just harping.
That's all they were doing.
They were harping on a incomplete pass, one of his first, like three past attempts of the game where yeah, it was.
It was a poor pass.
He missed the third down.
Uh, no one's, uh no one's harping on Mike Evans dropping a a pass on the sidelines just to play.
Before that, it was like, Oh, no, Tom Brady.
I mean, no one throws Maurin accurate arm or impactful inaccurate passes And Tom Brady, you would think he's the only player in the history of the league to throw off target passes.
I mean, again, we see my homes do it all the time.
We see Aaron Rodgers, though inaccurately, we see, uh, Russell Wilson throw lazy interceptions like he did to start the game last last week or this yesterday.
So it's funny. I do laugh.
At the end of the day, this isn't me sitting in the corner, just like, you know, obsessing over this.
It's It's at the end of day.
I get some humor out of it.
Um, sometimes I do sit there and I want to bash my head up against the law because I can't understand the thought processes some people, Um, but eventually I walk away I do wanna bring something else because we are surprisingly running out of time since we spent so much time on this topic, uh, 19 years ago yesterday.
And we always like to bring up anniversaries of certainly wrestling events because they always seem to pop up.
But 19 years ago, yesterday was the infamous, infamous Booker T Stone cold Steve Austin grocery shopping extra***anza.
And you know exactly you know exactly what I'm talking about.
That was 19 years ago.
Well, yeah, yeah, I know that.
You want to feel old, my friend.
Well, after you're done looking in the mirror, I was going to say that's the ultimate old Yeah.
Like anyone who is a wrestling fan back in the day knows what I'm talking about.
There was a story line, and perhaps you could help fill in the gaps here because, uh, you know, I I got a sketchy recollection of all the three important pertinent details of what this exact exact rivalry was about.
I just remember, obviously Austin and Booker t where we're going at it.
I believe this was leading up to close to the invasion pay per view.
Um, the evasion storyline where W c W e c w WWF slash w w e on and Stone called was after Booker T.
For some reason, and there was a lot of instances of this was the best part.
Like we've seen the bingo.
We've seen the bingo clip as well.
You know, I'm thinking about that Booker t sitting in a bingo hall with a bunch of the elderly folks Stone cold starts reading the number and he does.
You know, we see it now because it's a it's a mean, but he does.
The looked at left, look to the right and then he bolts out of the bingo hall.
Um, if it wasn't for this whole grocery seen, that might have been one of the best, funniest scenes I've ever seen.
But this whole grocery situation was great.
We another meme that's come out of it is the one where where you get saluted by, ah, half gallon of milk from stone cold.
That's that was originated from that.
So, um, it was certainly a fun, fun memory.
So So perhaps maybe you can help fill in the gaps and complete the story a little bit for me because I think I'm just hitting on little bits and pieces of it.
No, definitely hitting on everything that I remember.
Look, I mean, you know, back in the day, this was just I mean, this was it was probably the best type of comedy that you could get with when it came Thio w w e.
And you go way back into into the annals.
I haven't thought about this in years.
Totally honest with you.
So the details are fuzzy, but, you know, they had a good chemistry at Austin and on Booker.
Really? Really Did.
I think Booker never really got the credit.
I think he deserved for being the performer that he was both he and and the rock.
I mean, you know, you want to talk about this the spinner Rooney and all that.
I mean, Booker really embraced that.
I mean, that could have just been like a line that the rock throughout their, but he really, really embraced it and took, took the ball with it and ran with it.
I'm glad that you you mentioned that I'm gonna have to go back and watch that, because again, the details are fuzzy, but I do remember it.
And I Just when you said 19 years, I was like, No, I couldn't have been in maybe 10.
I would have bought it 19 and let me go, Man, I'm really old because I didn't remember watching that back in the day, but yeah, great. Great stuff.
Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing.
Like, you know, back back in the day, this wasn't, you know, long before streaming and all that, you know, that you had to watch when when it came out.
You know, maybe you could catch replace.
I mean, I know, I know.
Some channels back in the day used to do, like, 1 a.
replaced, but that was a guaranteed at all.
Um, this was just It was funny.
I remember laughing my my butt off, just, you know, watching this whole segment.
And again, you said you hit it.
I mean, the chemistry, the chemistry between the two and that that's, you know, at the end of the day, wrestling is entertainment, World wrestling, entertainment.
It's it's meant to be, you know, be a show.
So you can't just throw two people together and expect things toe work every time.
And in this case, Booker T.
Was a, you know, not only a phenomenal performer in the ring, but he was also great on the mic.
He was great in front of the camera, which, you know, that's a huge part of the business.
And when you can share that with some of, like, stone cold and really put on a just a great like I mean, these segments were never more than just a minute or two, you know? And that's the thing.
It's like, these were all, uh, you know, just they're funny in and of itself, but they get taken to a next level because of the people involved in it and how they play it all out.
I go back to that bingo scene and just Booker t The look on his face isn't it's priceless.
I mean, every time I see it, I just part of me just wants to just start just laughing hysterically because, you know, you understand that like he he was he was just fantastic at it. He was a great performer.
He was great on the mic.
And then again, you add in stone cold.
And it was just a It was a great mix, and I'm right there with you.
I might have to go back and watch all those, like, little segments between the two of them and kind of retrace how that story when I came about Because again, I don't want to sit here and say to too many things because I I just don't remember.
I know this was this was post invasion because if if if it was 19 years ago, it was late 2000 and one which again? The invasion angle that happened.
The invasion pay per view had happened in July, I believe of that year.
So, um, see, I can remember some things from 19 years ago. Absolutely.
And, you know, you want to talk about the invasion angle.
I mean, you know that, uh, I think a lot of people look back on that is the ultimate What if in w w history and how it was set up, Shane showing up on DPI purchasing the WCW and how that could have all gone down.
I know a lot of people look at that as a as a missed opportunity and, uh, the more you hear about it now, the more you hear about the red tape and things that they I guess they tried to do that they couldn't and they really wanted to try to make that work.
But unfortunately they couldn't do it.
I think a lot of people thought I was just Vince is ego, and you just didn't want to see WCW's name anymore.
If that were the case, I don't think they would have ever done it at all.
I think he was probably warm to the idea that they could have had the brand split between W, W E and W C. W.
But for some reason, and it just didn't work the way they wanted it to.
And there were a lot of things behind the scenes with contracts and, you know, and and things that they wanted to incorporate into that.
But for some reason, they just couldn't, Um, But that is that is one of the ultimate What if What if Vince had kept the WCW named going and ran the brand split instead of raw and smack down running? It is WWF or W w E N W C W. That could have been interesting.
Yeah, and and And that's one of the things, too.
It's like the the you know for me.
I never I never got into the Now we're getting into kind of a deep wrestling discussion, but yeah, I never I never bought into the brand split.
I never enjoyed it.
I never you know what I mean? I never felt any allegiance toe one show or the other.
And I think that was part of, you know, kind of the nature of the business back in the day was like, Okay, you were you know, you could enjoy both programs and we talked about that.
I enjoyed both, but, you know, you kind of knew if you were W W E or W C W guy and and there's some elite and certainly if you were e c W e, there was there was obviously a lot of allegiance one way or the other, and it felt forced.
When you're raw and Smackdown, it's like, No, it's what you're talking about.
Like back in the day it was raw was the big weekly show.
Smackdown was complimentary and usually pushed the storyline across and it was it was a very formula for formula formula.
I'm not even gonna try formula formula formulaic, uh, structure to it. It was.
And and that's what that's what I miss about it.
And then I felt like it just, uh it got to saturated again.
One of the things I hate beyond I one of the things I hate the most about wrestling.
It's just how many **** titles there are.
I mean, I don't know, like again.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I'm you know, I watch as much as I had in the past, but you know, when they started giving me world heavyweight championship, WWF champion and Unified champion or whatever, I'm like, I I don't know who's who's the champion I, the WWF champion, and everyone kind of fell into line behind that.
It was it was a little bit easier to kind of focus everything in, but we'll have to save this, perhaps for another podcast where we just dissect the things we have the issues we have with the current state of the wrestling business.
But we won't do that on the show because we don't have enough time like we don't have enough time Way.
We would need a significant amount of time to do that.
Yes, we would need a significant amount of time to do that.
Unfortunately, we don't have the time to do it, but, uh, no.
At the same time, you know, maybe, who knows? Maybe during the NFL off season, when were clamoring for some stuff to dio we could revisit.
We could revisit these subjects, buddy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Trust me. There will be plenty of time.
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