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00:00:09
and welcome back to SportsCastr news MBA side of things where, of course as always, I am Adam Arm Break, possibly to be joined in by Matt Brooks.
00:00:17
But as we know, he's a man on a mission with a busy schedule, as everything ramps up towards the n b A.
00:00:23
So in the meantime, while we wait to see if he'll be joining us well, to start to take a general look around the n b A.
00:00:30
On a Tuesday here, a couple of different storylines worth touching on, specifically obviously around.
00:00:35
Maybe what you could say is the biggest storyline in James Harden and the expectations about what we think could or should or will might happen for him in Houston.
00:00:47
And really, we start there in regards to He hasn't been showing up to the training camp on as it stands right now.
00:00:54
There's an expectation, obviously, organizationally, that if players don't show up, usually there's there's ramifications to that kind of in a murky ground here in terms of whether or not Houston will go forward with it in terms of any punishment, because they're still trying to feather this line of being able to manage and maintain that relationship with James Harden and hopefully keep him there.
00:01:18
Right, because the best path forward, at least in the short term over the next season, is for James Harden to be there in Houston.
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It's gonna keep you competitive.
00:01:28
It's going to keep you in that playoff picture in the Western Conference, and arguably, when you have a guy like Christian would in there.
00:01:34
Now, when you're taking a chance on a boogie Cousins, if you could be healthy when you make the trade to get Westbrook out, who didn't seem to be a fit there alongside Harden, you bring in a job wall.
00:01:44
It healthy a different dynamic there to consider as well in the backcourt for Houston.
00:01:49
So maybe you can showcase the value and talent on this roster and how things can look a little bit brighter under a new head coach there for James Harden and ends up one to stick around, so the organization is in a difficult spot.
00:02:02
Obviously, the other factor here, though, is too, and we know that we've heard a lot around the piece off to Brooklyn, right? That's where James Harden is announced.
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He wants to go There were obviously some conversations there, certainly.
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But ultimately things broke down in and around the draft, and as it stands, he remains in Houston.
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But the concern has to be.
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Now, if you're Houston idealist, wonder is if you're still considering moving him, there's a couple of factors here. One.
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If James Harden is communicating that he only wants to go to Brooklyn.
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That's his Onley destination on the table now that he's holding out from a training camp here.
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Even if you were Houston, he said, Hey, if we get blown away by a trade package, we're gonna make that move.
00:02:44
You have to at least wonder what type of additional conversations need to go on between, Let's just say Philadelphia 70 Sixers and James Harden to say, Well, if we bring you in here, are you committed to playing here with us? Or are you maybe gonna hold out in the same way that you that you're holding out or staying out of training camp in Houston because you Onley have one destination on your mind? I think depending on where he landed, you certainly could make a case that those players in that organization could give him an opportunity, or at least present their case and make it so that he ends up wanting to stick around and at least give you everything he has for this one season and then potentially, maybe get moved again.
00:03:21
I don't know.
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Could be a multi step process, right? You think? Thio the NFL side of things where Brett Farve wants to get to the Minnesota Vikings and spends a year in layover for the New York Jets before ultimately making into an NFC North North rival.
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So maybe that's a part of what James Harden is thinking.
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Maybe he wants to ultimately get to Brooklyn Now.
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That wouldn't be a rival to Houston per se, but maybe ultimately wants to get to Brooklyn.
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And it may take a year layover getting to a new organization and then one that can reengage next year.
00:03:53
Potentially, the Brooklyn Nets around a trade and what the assets and values and things you want to get returned.
00:03:58
But the problem is, are you also now dealing with a diminished market? So if say, you're the Brooklyn Nets, do you feel like you need to give up a similar package and obviously far greater to talk about the talent of the players you're looking to acquire than what the Milwaukee Bucks gave up for Drew Holiday.
00:04:14
That was a substantial hole.
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Now that was a team was in a particular spot.
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Need felt like they need to make improvements needed to show Yanis that they are willing to spend and do what's necessary to give themselves an opportunity to win championships.
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But if you're Brooklyn now, whether it's the player piece of it and you say, Well, I definitely don't necessarily want to give up Uh, you know, multiple first round picks in perpetuity over the next 567 years.
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Do I want to give up all the players in my do? I all automatically say it has to be careful avert involved in this or maybe a Jared Allen, right? All the pieces that have been speculated that if the Nets were going to make a move, some of these guys would have to be involved because of the valuable players and also there the younger quote unquote players dependent.
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You're looking at the vert still younger than in Irving, younger than a K D.
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But 26 27 years old Jared Allen, still very young and still has a lot of career ahead of him.
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So now maybe it is.
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You want to make this trade? Sure.
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We'll give you Caris, Levert and a package.
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But we're not giving you Jared Allen or vice versa.
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Or yeah, we'll give you some players, but we're not giving you all the pics.
00:05:19
Maybe we will give you some of those picks, but we're going to keep some of the guys that obviously are the more valuable pieces on this roster.
00:05:25
Because we know in a couple of years, if you're Brooklyn, we're gonna be looking back at Are we getting Kevin Durant back in on a new contract? Kyrie, Irving.
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All the moving pieces, right? DeAndre Jordan coming off the books.
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How does that look where you want to allocate money so keeping their options open just in terms of what commitment they're going to make toe which players going forward in the long term future.
00:05:45
So if that's the case, then you start to think if Houston does open it up to any random team, can you can you build back up some of the equity of trading James Harden if the market is fairly vacant right now, that's a concern you have to have as thes Things start to play out as he continues to hold out.
00:06:03
So be interesting to see what happens there.
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I think ultimately, if you're using, a lot of people have said this.
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You don't have to move him right now.
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And if it's now, if if it's a even Philadelphia as well, if it's a 70 Sixers, if it's a Brooklyn Nets, when you look at those teams as they get into the season under Doc Rivers in Philadelphia, they can look and say, Well, how are some of these little adjustments that we've made? How does that look on the court? How is Doc Rivers impacting this Ross during these rotations in the style of play and has been Simmons.
00:06:29
And indeed, you know, Harris, How do all of these pieces fit together underneath a new direction? If they start to see that it's working well, then maybe they're less inclined to make that big league.
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Likewise for Brooklyn.
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If you get into these first sample sizes of the season and over the 1st 20 games you go 15 and five and K D looks healthy, and it looks like the player of old and everything is meshing well.
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And the amount of depth that you have on this roster looks really strong.
00:06:52
Listen, we may revisit it, depending on how things look, the trade deadline.
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They may revisit it next offseason, but maybe they say, Listen, we feel good.
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We feel strongly feel like an Eastern Conference championship contender opportunity to go to the finals.
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We're gonna live with those results this year, and then maybe we'll dip our toe back into that market potentially in the next offseason, at which point there's a lot of other names to get involved there as well.
00:07:15
And you can start to think about who else might be available that offers both short term value in terms of where that franchises and wanted to win championships immediately and then also long term value.
00:07:25
So maybe there's the right guy at the right age that you could go out there and try to acquire.
00:07:29
So give me interesting to keep an eye on that.
00:07:32
I don't know how far that needle moves based on what Harden is doing or not doing.
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We've heard at least at the Brooklyn.
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That's facility as well.
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Coaches were getting asked about it.
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Players getting asked about it so it does.
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Permeate can be there will be a denial.
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Other couple things around the N B.
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A as well is one of those pieces that we've known for a long time.
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Here has been a sticking point for the league relative to superstar players, and that's getting them out there on the court, right? Obviously, you're talking about a really short turnaround time, especially for the Lakers, for the Miami Heat, teams that went deep in the bubble playoff run and as faras fatigue, wear and tear wanted to get some of that rest.
00:08:13
So there was a league memo that got sent out and said that there is flexibility going into this season regarding back to backs and resting some of those superstar players and essentially specifically around non nationally televised games.
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There's going to be a leniency from the league as faras cracking down on guys needing to play superstars needing to play the faces of the league.
00:08:37
So you will receive an opportunity to get some guys some extended rest and again, all those major teams that won't deep.
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They need to rest some of the guys.
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And then, if you look at the Lakers specifically LeBron James, even in Anthony Davis, any of those guys on that roster that really went through those paces, you can see them getting some extra time to get healthy over the start of the season.
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And not and not having to deal with right if you're the N b A.
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You're trying to feather this line of valiant balancing, making money, getting profitable again, understanding what some of these players went through down in Orlando and providing the opportunity for them to get rest without totally diminishing the product.
00:09:12
So you feather that line, you say, Hey, nationally televised games, Let's get out there.
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Let's be on the court But in conjunction with back to backs and then immediately after those nationally televised games, if your next game isn't on national TV, feel free to take the rest.
00:09:25
We're not going to crack down on it because you can anticipate, certainly Look at LeBron James here.
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Next, um, you know he's gonna need the rest.
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He's gonna want the rest, and you can understand why he's going to want that rest.
00:09:39
So it makes sense to set things up to not upset the apple cart as far as some of the bigger names in the league.
00:09:47
And when asked about it, LeBron said.
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Really, there's a couple of different things going on here we'll touch on.
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But when they brought up the idea of starting on December 22nd, 72 just 72 days, I'm gonna say 72 game season.
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But just 70 two days after the Lakers and beat Miami in the finals, LeBron said.
00:10:04
Just being completely honest, I wasn't expecting that Early conversations were going on and I was hearing there would be kind of a mid January start.
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Training camp would start after Christmas and we would have an opportunity to spend Christmas with our families.
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I had to switch up a lot of things.
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I just start preparing my mind, preparing my body.
00:10:20
So you know that's not There's a little key cabinet out there as well, not just early restart in terms of getting knowing, obviously December 22nd and then the Christmas Day games.
00:10:30
Getting those on the slate as well as I joked with Doug Nori of DFS are If you're familiar in the daily fantasy space joke or pasta on the Net that did you start sneaking under the water the 22nd? So you started in 2020.
00:10:45
Just so you maintain that label of the 2020 2021 season.
00:10:50
But when you think about players that have been down in the bubble and coming out, remember it was time away from family, right? Extensive time away from your family.
00:10:58
There is that aspect of saying, Boy, if we were starting at the beginning of January, post Christmas, you would have at least given players that opportunity to spend more time with their family around the holiday to take a little bit of extra, you know, reprieve from everything that went on and then reactivate and get themselves ramp back up.
00:11:17
Now we understand the the money piece of it.
00:11:19
And how long is this season going to run? What complications will it? Well, it introduce.
00:11:23
And if the N B A is ultimately about trying to get themselves back onto their traditional schedule, you have thio incrementally start these a little bit earlier seized by seeing.
00:11:33
So the 23 seasons down the line, maybe it will be just next year, but again, you're gonna have to truncate that right.
00:11:39
Normally, we're starting starting up in October, so now you're a little bit behind on that run.
00:11:44
How do you back it up a little bit more and a little bit more so? Well, next year look like let's start this thing in November and then let's use our way and you know, into into October as well the following season.
00:11:55
So bouncing all of those things, that's the point.
00:11:57
You have to start to make the incremental adjustments that ultimately you get to where you want to be.
00:12:01
I don't know where the N ba sees that.
00:12:03
Can they live with? This could be another good sample size for them off.
00:12:06
We're going to start the seasons in December, now going forward, and it will put us able to say, opening night, December 22nd, then boom, those big Christmas Day games.
00:12:15
Theoretically, you like having those pushed kind of towards the middle of the season.
00:12:18
Mawr just because it becomes a big highlight point for the n B A.
00:12:22
Obviously, they get this showcase Some of those best matchups from around the league But you could always look at that as being the start of the season showcase where you get some of those guys out there and really putting the best foot forward.
00:12:33
So there's that piece of it.
00:12:35
The other side of it, and this is more personally LeBron James is.
00:12:38
We can expect him to get to be getting some rest.
00:12:40
I think that's the anticipation, right? He's going to be looking to take off some games, so they're not nationally televised and you see three or four games over a week.
00:12:51
Stretch over. 56 games. Stretch.
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60 stretch. Excuse me expect.
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Look on Jane.
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It's not that he's on the bench, right? You're probably going to see that.
00:13:00
And it did make me think about then bringing in Schluter and just saying we have talked about him.
00:13:05
Really Matt Brooks tonight, Keith McPherson, saying seemed like he really found a great role coming off the bench, is kind of that sixth man kind of player in the n b A.
00:13:14
There in O k.
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C.
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But what's interesting now is you also can look at it and say this is a team in the Lakers.
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That air may be preparing for that opportunity to be getting LeBron James rest.
00:13:26
So as you need to get him rest, you're thinking about the guard positions because he is that point guard point forward.
00:13:32
He does his own bowl.
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He is the primary ball handler, obviously.
00:13:37
So maybe this gives us that flexibility where you say, especially on those nights off, we're not necessarily gonna put him in a starting role in Schroeder every single night.
00:13:46
But when we need nights off, we know we can slide them in there and use him for those limited run.
00:13:51
So something to think about in that regard as well.
00:13:54
Three other piece of this that we know as a d find that Max contract five year extension with L.
00:14:00
A.
00:14:01
That came on the heels of LeBron signing the two year, $85 million contract that runs through 22 23.
00:14:07
And he did mention it in terms of what flexibility that offers him.
00:14:11
And he said, the best thing about this year about that year Excuse me is going to be a free agent with same year that my oldest son graduated high school and assuming that he goes the same path as LeBron did comes right to the n b a from high school.
00:14:26
Then you're talking about having A Z says.
00:14:28
I'll have some options to see for me personally what I want to do, going forward around my only being around my son more, or continue to play this game that I love with great health in great spirits.
00:14:39
We'll see.
00:14:40
I think, really, it's, you know, if you're the if you're the Lakers, it's good that you did this in tandem where you've both You've gotten both of them on the books now for another couple of years in terms of LeBron and a D.
00:14:51
Then you get even more from a D.
00:14:53
So it means that you set yourself up quite comfortably to be able to say beyond the LeBron era, we're going to have an opportunity here to back ourselves up and know that we have a cornerstone that we can continue to build around in Anthony Davis.
00:15:08
A nice cornerstone tohave for LeBron James.
00:15:11
It's curious, right? Is he gonna wanna step in the game so that he could be around his son Mawr, as he starts his N B A career and you think about the idea of just being able to be there for him and mentor him off the court? Or also, could you see a potential there when we talk about having an opportunity to go and play wherever his son ends up and just saying, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a low level contract Whatever it works to make the books work, to go be able to play alongside of my son for maybe a year or two before I retire.
00:15:43
I think keeping that flexibility is obviously going to be something that LeBron James wants toe have.
00:15:48
And as long as he stays healthy through these next couple of years, I think you're going to see him.
00:15:52
Want to continue to play, but will be very interesting to see where his son ends up and how that dictates what LeBron may or may not do.
00:16:00
So there's a lot of that.
00:16:01
That's just a fun piece, right? That's just exciting to think about the idea of a father and son go back to.
00:16:06
Was it an MLB? You had Ken Griffey Jr playing with his father? I don't know how long they had that for at least a couple of seasons, I believe so.
00:16:13
That's obviously just a great thing to be able to do personally.
00:16:16
And that's something that you're afforded when you're LeBron James and you're the greatest player.
00:16:20
Arguably, maybe in NBA history.
00:16:22
Maybe you get to call your shot, get to pick your spot, right and maybe a way to take a little bit how your son finds his way to what roster? Maybe not gonna be the Lakers necessarily.
00:16:33
But, um, or ideal situation potentially, uh, for you to be able to take a flyer a couple of years, get to play with your son, and then what does it look like after it? You know, obviously we know that LeBron is a mogul beyond the court.
00:16:48
But maybe, does he have any interest in being around the game if his son is starting out his career? And what could that look like? A.
00:16:55
Well, take a brief moment here just to give shoutouts Thio Billy Man, 90 to 88 My man on the NFL side Laurence Owen checking in with us as well on the broadcast.
00:17:04
And, of course, bear to Jerry in here is well, as long as well as you may motor.
00:17:09
Jason, Thanks for checking in with it.
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£5 and questions that you had around.
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I did, Lawrence.
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I did cut my hair.
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Yeah, maybe not for the better.
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If you take my partner's opinion on she had concerns.
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This is an aggressive look at she.
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She put it with a shaved head, but we're still in difficult times, and I can't keep running back to get haircuts.
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It's just not worth it.
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So this is the best version of a haircut that I could manage of my own accord with clippers and maybe some of you. Thank you.
00:17:38
Thank you.
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It does look fine.
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I'm doing fine.
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Quite frankly, on I did here, by the way, uh, in the previous shows.
00:17:44
If you're looking for NFL content coverage, Lawrence, I'm deep again commentary and saying about how you could find a Carson Wentz, right? The highest paid back up in NFL history.
00:17:56
So if you want to get an insight on that, certainly go check up that back out feed.
00:18:00
There's they were previewing Monday football last night.
00:18:02
But as the guys always do, they cover a wide range of topics there.
00:18:06
So there's plenty to look at just beyond the Washington football team taking on Pittsburgh last night in that, Okay, get out as well.
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And then you'll you'll be seeing us, Uh, potentially.
00:18:19
When will we be? Ah, no, we'll be on on Thursday.
00:18:21
So check out Lawrence and myself on Thursday, doing our previous show along with Ray as well.
00:18:25
Ray wrap myself and Laurence Owen previewing Thursday football.
00:18:29
So be in touch for that as well.
00:18:30
But, um, yeah, so that's the fun stuff for LeBron James.
00:18:33
That's the interesting footnotes.
00:18:35
Thea. Other thing, too, is if you're interested.
00:18:37
I mentioned Doug Nori before he does. DFS are.
00:18:40
That's daily fantasy sports rankings he's starting to run through.
00:18:43
You'll see this information out there unnecessarily, but he's starting to run through some of his win total projections around the N B A.
00:18:48
And you can start to think about where are some of these teams gonna land? It feels like a worthwhile thing just to touch on here because I've been I won't gild the lily.
00:18:59
You could go listen to us on the podcast and hear us talk a little bit about some of these teams, but about teams that we were expecting to come back big and strong here, like the Golden State Warriors.
00:19:08
Then they lose. Clay Thompson.
00:19:11
What is the construct of that team? Look, look like now in the news, Steph Curry ready to talk extensions? He's in it.
00:19:17
Committed for the long haul.
00:19:21
I think that Steph Curry is always going to be the long haul piece there in Golden State.
00:19:26
But what do we anticipate around a Draymond green? What we anticipate around Clay Thompson now is he'll be working back from yet another injury setback as all these guys approach into their thirties.
00:19:36
Now, a lot of big numbers on the books, they're there for them.
00:19:39
So, um, where do they stack up now without Klay Thompson going into this season? And then likewise, we talk about the ups and downs.
00:19:46
One of the other ones, Uh, interesting teams.
00:19:48
I'll say they had an interesting offseason, a little bit.
00:19:51
Head scratching was the Detroit Pistons.
00:19:53
And yet it's going, you know, if you get Blake Griffin healthy and he's evolved, his came a little bit and he's hitting those perimeter shots.
00:20:02
What does that look like now? You're still gonna have Derrick Rose, then.
00:20:05
This is a team that last season 20 and 46.
00:20:08
Not an impressive set of numbers there, obviously, but you're now looking at a rosters.
00:20:12
We get inside them a little bit in.
00:20:14
The Nets were able to make a trade there to bring in Brown, help fill out their defensive needs, and, in return, they sent back over a player in Uh, Moussa, that has been around the Nets roster for a few years.
00:20:26
Ultimately, never really came to fruition.
00:20:28
And right now, if you were to look over at their depth chart, he's buried down on there in terms of how he comes into this roster of one of the forward positions.
00:20:36
Potentially, uh, he's a little bit further down now.
00:20:38
They brought in Jeremy Grant.
00:20:41
That's obviously a nice piece.
00:20:42
It's a little bit interesting because you're talking about a guy who's going to go from more of a supporting role to a prominent role.
00:20:49
And how does that relationship alongside Blake Griffin play out? I think potentially, when you talk about the style Blake grips play combined with the perimeter shooting and the defense that you're going to get from Grant, that could be a big upswing for them you've got right there.
00:21:03
You know, killing Haze.
00:21:04
You know who slates in where? In the hierarchy of those guards you're still gonna have Derrick Rose on.
00:21:10
Then you talk about at the center position.
00:21:11
Think the curiosity.
00:21:12
Is that right there.
00:21:13
Center position.
00:21:14
Right now it's a Plumlee.
00:21:16
Stewart, okay for, you know, kind of line up there at the five.
00:21:20
I like Plumlee.
00:21:21
I prefer him in a supporting role again.
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So in some regards, you're looking at a team that's taking a bit of a bit of a chance on a couple of guys that may be our best suited, not in more prominent roles.
00:21:32
And they could excel because they get some reps against second units.
00:21:35
They could be high energy guys, etcetera.
00:21:37
So it's a high risk.
00:21:38
High risk may not be the put it.
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There were 21 team, but it's certainly a risk to go into the season with this lineup.
00:21:45
Then you start to think about the Derrick Rose's of the world.
00:21:48
Is he possibly immovable piece, so keeping an eye on them early in the season is going to be very interesting to see how this roster is playing itself out as Lauren shouts out to us again and says, Who could be the biggest next player to move in the N B A.
00:22:02
Yeah, well, we started it off talking about Harden.
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That seems like it's a possibility.
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Maybe you got the bill peace with the Washington Wizards.
00:22:10
Potentially could be somebody on the move.
00:22:13
And then, I mean, I'm highlighting talking about Derrick Rose again, depending how things playing, this isn't.
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Or as you move towards the trade deadline, then you can start looking at guys like Derrick Rose and saying he still has value.
00:22:24
He still has value on a roster.
00:22:26
I think you could look at that as well.
00:22:28
I mentioned Golden State and the difficulty they're gonna maybe have this season.
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You could think about a dream on Green, depending on what they look to do there.
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Because he was already showing maybe some of the downside of his career and what his value is gonna be.
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The shooting started to slip a little.
00:22:44
Maybe he's still just a defensive energy guy, and that looks a lot different.
00:22:47
And I think nearly $30 million that he's making so perhaps they look to jettison and break up some things here during this season.
00:22:54
If things are trending wrong for Golden State or even a Wigan, you could tell me a big of A, that is, but Wiggins would certainly be one that could be on the move as well. Again.
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Big price tag for them there.
00:23:05
And then the other guy who did move teams in this season.
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And it would have value for another N B.
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A roster that's looking to make a run.
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That over two is I get the roster up here.
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The Oklahoma City Thunder.
00:23:16
There's a lot of pieces on here that you think, and by the way, just a quick touch on on the Golden State Warriors side of it.
00:23:23
You're also gonna have another player there as well.
00:23:27
Just make sure that I highlight him.
00:23:28
I'm doing too much jumping around here and getting myself all turned around.
00:23:33
Uber would be another guy, right? So, depending on what happens there in Golden State and how the projections were playing out, Uber who's just finding himself there via trade could also find himself right back out there on on the trade market.
00:23:45
So golden state's gonna have a couple of players that you may want to keep an eye on there.
00:23:49
I don't know if they're considered to be big names and then, like once is we go over to Okay.
00:23:52
See, now then you're talking about our roster.
00:23:56
Obviously, they're able to move.
00:23:58
Uh, they're able to move a player in CP three.
00:24:00
They get back some some players in return.
00:24:03
SG is gonna be there to get George Hill is a backup guard.
00:24:06
Al Horford is the one that jumps out of you, though, depending on how early early stages of this season are going and how things are meshing there in O K.
00:24:13
C.
00:24:14
It just from a numbers standpoint, has a big contract.
00:24:16
I I think that you could see him potentially be on the move.
00:24:19
Um, you know, where's the landing spot for him? That's a little bit tricky.
00:24:23
Teams looking to get bigger.
00:24:24
He's not a young man by any stretch.
00:24:27
He does, however, ironically, stretch the floor a little bit there for you from the five.
00:24:32
Although ideally, you'd almost probably rather have him getting in mawr of a four slash five role than a pure five because defensively it's gonna be a little more difficult for him in his stage, you'll to defend out to the perimeter as well.
00:24:46
But he's had a bad run.
00:24:47
It was a bad fit there for the 76 or so.
00:24:49
Just getting out of there alone is good. Now.
00:24:52
The next step is re establishing your value.
00:24:54
And then, okay, see, being able to get value in return by jettisoning you off, maybe to some other team that has deep playoff run aspirations in this particulars.
00:25:03
So, yeah, I mean, listen, Westbrook, that that's the funny thing to write.
00:25:08
They make the swap between Houston and Washington, and it's just, Hey, it's the numbers.
00:25:13
That's why you're able to move them out of the two of them wall coming off, obviously injuries.
00:25:18
You don't know what is gonna look like.
00:25:19
The only problem with Westbrook is that yes, can he be an asset? Sure, but the problem is like, you know, he diminishes the value of other players at times when he's on the floor.
00:25:29
It's the exact reason why, if Bill doesn't move from Washington, what does have him along one another, and are you going to run into difficulty around trying to balance how Westbrook wants to play versus the need of deal, to get his touches and have his look.
00:25:44
So, you know, as a guard position again, you think about teams that are really in that mold.
00:25:51
There's not a lot that you go.
00:25:52
Let's let's risk potentially upsetting the apple cart to go ahead and get back in, uh, shoe, that landscape.
00:25:59
But I'm just trying toe kind of think a little bit around the MBA here.
00:26:03
And what would be a team that could potentially benefit from him, you know? No, I just need to throw out a team like the like, the 70 Sixers.
00:26:16
Um, I could make it out.
00:26:19
Now there's some world where there's, like a team like the Charlotte Hornets, who have already made a big splash here trying to think about, you know, they brought in Hayward still have rosier there, so maybe there's something that could happen there.
00:26:31
They have to about a gram.
00:26:32
They drafted bowl in the short term.
00:26:35
I don't know, but you already have young and young talent there and I think you know, this really becomes that balancing act, though everyone said when they went got Hayward.
00:26:41
Hey, you're paying $120 million to get a guy who's significantly older than the rest of your roster.
00:26:47
But if there is a world where they're sniffing around that playoff push, and you think a guy like Westbrook could get you over the edge and just secure that playoff spot for you for a team that has had difficulty doing so maybe that maybe they make a stab at that, depending on what the asking prices.
00:27:02
And that's really if you're the Wizards, I think your best case scenario because nothing about higher constructed right now.
00:27:07
Listen, could Westbrook on that roster with deal on every other piece they have.
00:27:11
There be a playoff team, yes, but the long term future, I think if you're the wizard, you'd like to say, And then we flip this guy again and were able to get back more than we had to give up to get him in return.
00:27:23
We moved off of that Big John Wall contract of 40 million.
00:27:27
Now we move off the 40 million of Westbrook.
00:27:29
We get back our draft assets and essentially we go $40 million clear right And then it's the be all peace.
00:27:35
Is he staying? Can you build around him? And then you look towards that free agency class and say, Who could we attract in here to play alongside, Peel and try to ramp ourselves back up and get into that four or five seed conversation in the Eastern Conference? Because as well, get out the door here on this? Why not? When you look around the embassy specifically over in the Eastern Conference, remember we talked about How do you rank him, right? Milwaukee, Toronto, Boston.
00:27:59
Okay, these are all teams that you expect to be in and around it.
00:28:01
Obviously, you throw Brooklyn up at the top of that class.
00:28:03
I think Philadelphia will get back up that list there a little bit.
00:28:06
If we're just running through the rankings from last season's playoffs, a Miami Heat are gonna be there.
00:28:11
The Pacers are anywhere from you know, there are 567 kind of seed and then you get back down to the back end.
00:28:16
Orlando Magics falling off.
00:28:17
I think they didn't really do anything substantial to improve themselves.
00:28:21
Yes, the Wizards with Westbrook, at least because you didn't have wall on the floor should be a better team.
00:28:25
So there in the mix for the eighth seed is Charlotte in the mix there question marks. Certainly.
00:28:30
Chicago Billy Donovan there now, but again, these Air 20 range twin teens.
00:28:35
How much of a surgeon they're getting, The big one there is going to be Atlanta they basic significant moves to try to improve themselves.
00:28:40
Where does that put them? But if you are any of these teams, like the back end there, the 78 seat is wide open for the for the East, right, you can do it.
00:28:50
So there's going to be teams that may not look like they should be in buy mode.
00:28:55
Could be in buy mode if you're in the Eastern Conference.
00:28:57
So that's why you say the Hornets, the Wizards, the Pistons, the Hawks I mean, I don't know whatever the bull, they're gonna land.
00:29:03
Maybe they would look to shake things up if it looks like they can make themselves a run getting into the playoffs on the back end of things and you're gonna have those playing games as well.
00:29:11
So the nine and 10 seeds become crucial to so you could have more buyers than sellers.
00:29:16
As you work through the season in the trade deadline, then you normally would.
00:29:19
So unlike the Western Conference, where you say if you're the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Kings, the the Spurs, right, you're on the back end there.
00:29:28
You probably got to stand Pat because eighth seed was the Portland Trailblazers who got significantly better, especially defensively in their off season.
00:29:35
Really Like what they did.
00:29:36
35 wins for them last year, 35 39.
00:29:38
We're gonna be better.
00:29:39
Dallas Mavericks were 43 32.
00:29:41
That's the seventh seed in the Western Conference.
00:29:44
So how those teams shuffled out is going to make them look a lot different.
00:29:47
And then you could start to look into, as we expect the Spurs with the Rosen.
00:29:51
With Aldrich, they could be sellers at the deadline.
00:29:54
Those pieces can be valuable to championship contenders play off contenders.
00:29:58
So that's how you can start to shuffle the deck a little bit there in the Western Conference.
00:30:01
But those could be Western Conference players going east as opposed to Eastern Conference players coming towards the West.
00:30:07
But that's all gonna play itself out so we'll see how that works itself out.
00:30:11
As you know, I'm gonna be back in on Thursday morning, right here with Matt Brooks will be breaking down the end.
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The news we have next week.
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00:31:38
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00:31:48
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RUMOR: James Harden discipline for no-showing camp not set in stone

Houston Rockets star James Harden continues to be away from the team at the start of training camps for the 2020-2021 NBA season. Even though his absence has clearly violated certain team rules, it is not yet conclusive whether or not he will be disciplined for his actions. Via Sam Amick of The Athletic: “You’d […]

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00:00:09
and welcome back to SportsCastr news MBA side of things where, of course as always, I am Adam Arm Break, possibly to be joined in by Matt Brooks.
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But as we know, he's a man on a mission with a busy schedule, as everything ramps up towards the n b A.
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So in the meantime, while we wait to see if he'll be joining us well, to start to take a general look around the n b A.
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On a Tuesday here, a couple of different storylines worth touching on, specifically obviously around.
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Maybe what you could say is the biggest storyline in James Harden and the expectations about what we think could or should or will might happen for him in Houston.
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And really, we start there in regards to He hasn't been showing up to the training camp on as it stands right now.
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There's an expectation, obviously, organizationally, that if players don't show up, usually there's there's ramifications to that kind of in a murky ground here in terms of whether or not Houston will go forward with it in terms of any punishment, because they're still trying to feather this line of being able to manage and maintain that relationship with James Harden and hopefully keep him there.
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Right, because the best path forward, at least in the short term over the next season, is for James Harden to be there in Houston.
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It's gonna keep you competitive.
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It's going to keep you in that playoff picture in the Western Conference, and arguably, when you have a guy like Christian would in there.
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Now, when you're taking a chance on a boogie Cousins, if you could be healthy when you make the trade to get Westbrook out, who didn't seem to be a fit there alongside Harden, you bring in a job wall.
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It healthy a different dynamic there to consider as well in the backcourt for Houston.
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So maybe you can showcase the value and talent on this roster and how things can look a little bit brighter under a new head coach there for James Harden and ends up one to stick around, so the organization is in a difficult spot.
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Obviously, the other factor here, though, is too, and we know that we've heard a lot around the piece off to Brooklyn, right? That's where James Harden is announced.
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He wants to go There were obviously some conversations there, certainly.
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But ultimately things broke down in and around the draft, and as it stands, he remains in Houston.
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But the concern has to be.
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Now, if you're Houston idealist, wonder is if you're still considering moving him, there's a couple of factors here. One.
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If James Harden is communicating that he only wants to go to Brooklyn.
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That's his Onley destination on the table now that he's holding out from a training camp here.
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Even if you were Houston, he said, Hey, if we get blown away by a trade package, we're gonna make that move.
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You have to at least wonder what type of additional conversations need to go on between, Let's just say Philadelphia 70 Sixers and James Harden to say, Well, if we bring you in here, are you committed to playing here with us? Or are you maybe gonna hold out in the same way that you that you're holding out or staying out of training camp in Houston because you Onley have one destination on your mind? I think depending on where he landed, you certainly could make a case that those players in that organization could give him an opportunity, or at least present their case and make it so that he ends up wanting to stick around and at least give you everything he has for this one season and then potentially, maybe get moved again.
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I don't know.
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Could be a multi step process, right? You think? Thio the NFL side of things where Brett Farve wants to get to the Minnesota Vikings and spends a year in layover for the New York Jets before ultimately making into an NFC North North rival.
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So maybe that's a part of what James Harden is thinking.
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Maybe he wants to ultimately get to Brooklyn Now.
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That wouldn't be a rival to Houston per se, but maybe ultimately wants to get to Brooklyn.
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And it may take a year layover getting to a new organization and then one that can reengage next year.
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Potentially, the Brooklyn Nets around a trade and what the assets and values and things you want to get returned.
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But the problem is, are you also now dealing with a diminished market? So if say, you're the Brooklyn Nets, do you feel like you need to give up a similar package and obviously far greater to talk about the talent of the players you're looking to acquire than what the Milwaukee Bucks gave up for Drew Holiday.
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That was a substantial hole.
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Now that was a team was in a particular spot.
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Need felt like they need to make improvements needed to show Yanis that they are willing to spend and do what's necessary to give themselves an opportunity to win championships.
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But if you're Brooklyn now, whether it's the player piece of it and you say, Well, I definitely don't necessarily want to give up Uh, you know, multiple first round picks in perpetuity over the next 567 years.
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Do I want to give up all the players in my do? I all automatically say it has to be careful avert involved in this or maybe a Jared Allen, right? All the pieces that have been speculated that if the Nets were going to make a move, some of these guys would have to be involved because of the valuable players and also there the younger quote unquote players dependent.
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You're looking at the vert still younger than in Irving, younger than a K D.
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But 26 27 years old Jared Allen, still very young and still has a lot of career ahead of him.
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So now maybe it is.
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You want to make this trade? Sure.
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We'll give you Caris, Levert and a package.
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But we're not giving you Jared Allen or vice versa.
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Or yeah, we'll give you some players, but we're not giving you all the pics.
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Maybe we will give you some of those picks, but we're going to keep some of the guys that obviously are the more valuable pieces on this roster.
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Because we know in a couple of years, if you're Brooklyn, we're gonna be looking back at Are we getting Kevin Durant back in on a new contract? Kyrie, Irving.
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All the moving pieces, right? DeAndre Jordan coming off the books.
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How does that look where you want to allocate money so keeping their options open just in terms of what commitment they're going to make toe which players going forward in the long term future.
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So if that's the case, then you start to think if Houston does open it up to any random team, can you can you build back up some of the equity of trading James Harden if the market is fairly vacant right now, that's a concern you have to have as thes Things start to play out as he continues to hold out.
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So be interesting to see what happens there.
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I think ultimately, if you're using, a lot of people have said this.
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You don't have to move him right now.
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And if it's now, if if it's a even Philadelphia as well, if it's a 70 Sixers, if it's a Brooklyn Nets, when you look at those teams as they get into the season under Doc Rivers in Philadelphia, they can look and say, Well, how are some of these little adjustments that we've made? How does that look on the court? How is Doc Rivers impacting this Ross during these rotations in the style of play and has been Simmons.
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And indeed, you know, Harris, How do all of these pieces fit together underneath a new direction? If they start to see that it's working well, then maybe they're less inclined to make that big league.
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Likewise for Brooklyn.
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If you get into these first sample sizes of the season and over the 1st 20 games you go 15 and five and K D looks healthy, and it looks like the player of old and everything is meshing well.
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And the amount of depth that you have on this roster looks really strong.
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Listen, we may revisit it, depending on how things look, the trade deadline.
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They may revisit it next offseason, but maybe they say, Listen, we feel good.
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We feel strongly feel like an Eastern Conference championship contender opportunity to go to the finals.
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We're gonna live with those results this year, and then maybe we'll dip our toe back into that market potentially in the next offseason, at which point there's a lot of other names to get involved there as well.
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And you can start to think about who else might be available that offers both short term value in terms of where that franchises and wanted to win championships immediately and then also long term value.
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So maybe there's the right guy at the right age that you could go out there and try to acquire.
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So give me interesting to keep an eye on that.
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I don't know how far that needle moves based on what Harden is doing or not doing.
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We've heard at least at the Brooklyn.
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That's facility as well.
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Coaches were getting asked about it.
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Players getting asked about it so it does.
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Permeate can be there will be a denial.
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Other couple things around the N B.
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A as well is one of those pieces that we've known for a long time.
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Here has been a sticking point for the league relative to superstar players, and that's getting them out there on the court, right? Obviously, you're talking about a really short turnaround time, especially for the Lakers, for the Miami Heat, teams that went deep in the bubble playoff run and as faras fatigue, wear and tear wanted to get some of that rest.
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So there was a league memo that got sent out and said that there is flexibility going into this season regarding back to backs and resting some of those superstar players and essentially specifically around non nationally televised games.
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There's going to be a leniency from the league as faras cracking down on guys needing to play superstars needing to play the faces of the league.
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So you will receive an opportunity to get some guys some extended rest and again, all those major teams that won't deep.
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They need to rest some of the guys.
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And then, if you look at the Lakers specifically LeBron James, even in Anthony Davis, any of those guys on that roster that really went through those paces, you can see them getting some extra time to get healthy over the start of the season.
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And not and not having to deal with right if you're the N b A.
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You're trying to feather this line of valiant balancing, making money, getting profitable again, understanding what some of these players went through down in Orlando and providing the opportunity for them to get rest without totally diminishing the product.
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So you feather that line, you say, Hey, nationally televised games, Let's get out there.
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Let's be on the court But in conjunction with back to backs and then immediately after those nationally televised games, if your next game isn't on national TV, feel free to take the rest.
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We're not going to crack down on it because you can anticipate, certainly Look at LeBron James here.
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Next, um, you know he's gonna need the rest.
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He's gonna want the rest, and you can understand why he's going to want that rest.
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So it makes sense to set things up to not upset the apple cart as far as some of the bigger names in the league.
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And when asked about it, LeBron said.
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Really, there's a couple of different things going on here we'll touch on.
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But when they brought up the idea of starting on December 22nd, 72 just 72 days, I'm gonna say 72 game season.
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But just 70 two days after the Lakers and beat Miami in the finals, LeBron said.
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Just being completely honest, I wasn't expecting that Early conversations were going on and I was hearing there would be kind of a mid January start.
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Training camp would start after Christmas and we would have an opportunity to spend Christmas with our families.
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I had to switch up a lot of things.
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I just start preparing my mind, preparing my body.
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So you know that's not There's a little key cabinet out there as well, not just early restart in terms of getting knowing, obviously December 22nd and then the Christmas Day games.
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Getting those on the slate as well as I joked with Doug Nori of DFS are If you're familiar in the daily fantasy space joke or pasta on the Net that did you start sneaking under the water the 22nd? So you started in 2020.
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Just so you maintain that label of the 2020 2021 season.
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But when you think about players that have been down in the bubble and coming out, remember it was time away from family, right? Extensive time away from your family.
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There is that aspect of saying, Boy, if we were starting at the beginning of January, post Christmas, you would have at least given players that opportunity to spend more time with their family around the holiday to take a little bit of extra, you know, reprieve from everything that went on and then reactivate and get themselves ramp back up.
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Now we understand the the money piece of it.
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And how long is this season going to run? What complications will it? Well, it introduce.
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And if the N B A is ultimately about trying to get themselves back onto their traditional schedule, you have thio incrementally start these a little bit earlier seized by seeing.
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So the 23 seasons down the line, maybe it will be just next year, but again, you're gonna have to truncate that right.
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Normally, we're starting starting up in October, so now you're a little bit behind on that run.
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How do you back it up a little bit more and a little bit more so? Well, next year look like let's start this thing in November and then let's use our way and you know, into into October as well the following season.
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So bouncing all of those things, that's the point.
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You have to start to make the incremental adjustments that ultimately you get to where you want to be.
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I don't know where the N ba sees that.
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Can they live with? This could be another good sample size for them off.
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We're going to start the seasons in December, now going forward, and it will put us able to say, opening night, December 22nd, then boom, those big Christmas Day games.
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Theoretically, you like having those pushed kind of towards the middle of the season.
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Mawr just because it becomes a big highlight point for the n B A.
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Obviously, they get this showcase Some of those best matchups from around the league But you could always look at that as being the start of the season showcase where you get some of those guys out there and really putting the best foot forward.
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So there's that piece of it.
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The other side of it, and this is more personally LeBron James is.
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We can expect him to get to be getting some rest.
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I think that's the anticipation, right? He's going to be looking to take off some games, so they're not nationally televised and you see three or four games over a week.
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Stretch over. 56 games. Stretch.
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60 stretch. Excuse me expect.
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Look on Jane.
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It's not that he's on the bench, right? You're probably going to see that.
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And it did make me think about then bringing in Schluter and just saying we have talked about him.
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Really Matt Brooks tonight, Keith McPherson, saying seemed like he really found a great role coming off the bench, is kind of that sixth man kind of player in the n b A.
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There in O k.
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C.
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But what's interesting now is you also can look at it and say this is a team in the Lakers.
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That air may be preparing for that opportunity to be getting LeBron James rest.
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So as you need to get him rest, you're thinking about the guard positions because he is that point guard point forward.
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He does his own bowl.
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He is the primary ball handler, obviously.
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So maybe this gives us that flexibility where you say, especially on those nights off, we're not necessarily gonna put him in a starting role in Schroeder every single night.
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But when we need nights off, we know we can slide them in there and use him for those limited run.
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So something to think about in that regard as well.
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Three other piece of this that we know as a d find that Max contract five year extension with L.
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A.
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That came on the heels of LeBron signing the two year, $85 million contract that runs through 22 23.
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And he did mention it in terms of what flexibility that offers him.
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And he said, the best thing about this year about that year Excuse me is going to be a free agent with same year that my oldest son graduated high school and assuming that he goes the same path as LeBron did comes right to the n b a from high school.
00:14:26
Then you're talking about having A Z says.
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I'll have some options to see for me personally what I want to do, going forward around my only being around my son more, or continue to play this game that I love with great health in great spirits.
00:14:39
We'll see.
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I think, really, it's, you know, if you're the if you're the Lakers, it's good that you did this in tandem where you've both You've gotten both of them on the books now for another couple of years in terms of LeBron and a D.
00:14:51
Then you get even more from a D.
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So it means that you set yourself up quite comfortably to be able to say beyond the LeBron era, we're going to have an opportunity here to back ourselves up and know that we have a cornerstone that we can continue to build around in Anthony Davis.
00:15:08
A nice cornerstone tohave for LeBron James.
00:15:11
It's curious, right? Is he gonna wanna step in the game so that he could be around his son Mawr, as he starts his N B A career and you think about the idea of just being able to be there for him and mentor him off the court? Or also, could you see a potential there when we talk about having an opportunity to go and play wherever his son ends up and just saying, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a low level contract Whatever it works to make the books work, to go be able to play alongside of my son for maybe a year or two before I retire.
00:15:43
I think keeping that flexibility is obviously going to be something that LeBron James wants toe have.
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And as long as he stays healthy through these next couple of years, I think you're going to see him.
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Want to continue to play, but will be very interesting to see where his son ends up and how that dictates what LeBron may or may not do.
00:16:00
So there's a lot of that.
00:16:01
That's just a fun piece, right? That's just exciting to think about the idea of a father and son go back to.
00:16:06
Was it an MLB? You had Ken Griffey Jr playing with his father? I don't know how long they had that for at least a couple of seasons, I believe so.
00:16:13
That's obviously just a great thing to be able to do personally.
00:16:16
And that's something that you're afforded when you're LeBron James and you're the greatest player.
00:16:20
Arguably, maybe in NBA history.
00:16:22
Maybe you get to call your shot, get to pick your spot, right and maybe a way to take a little bit how your son finds his way to what roster? Maybe not gonna be the Lakers necessarily.
00:16:33
But, um, or ideal situation potentially, uh, for you to be able to take a flyer a couple of years, get to play with your son, and then what does it look like after it? You know, obviously we know that LeBron is a mogul beyond the court.
00:16:48
But maybe, does he have any interest in being around the game if his son is starting out his career? And what could that look like? A.
00:16:55
Well, take a brief moment here just to give shoutouts Thio Billy Man, 90 to 88 My man on the NFL side Laurence Owen checking in with us as well on the broadcast.
00:17:04
And, of course, bear to Jerry in here is well, as long as well as you may motor.
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Jason, Thanks for checking in with it.
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£5 and questions that you had around.
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I did, Lawrence.
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I did cut my hair.
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Yeah, maybe not for the better.
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If you take my partner's opinion on she had concerns.
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This is an aggressive look at she.
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She put it with a shaved head, but we're still in difficult times, and I can't keep running back to get haircuts.
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It's just not worth it.
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So this is the best version of a haircut that I could manage of my own accord with clippers and maybe some of you. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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It does look fine.
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I'm doing fine.
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Quite frankly, on I did here, by the way, uh, in the previous shows.
00:17:44
If you're looking for NFL content coverage, Lawrence, I'm deep again commentary and saying about how you could find a Carson Wentz, right? The highest paid back up in NFL history.
00:17:56
So if you want to get an insight on that, certainly go check up that back out feed.
00:18:00
There's they were previewing Monday football last night.
00:18:02
But as the guys always do, they cover a wide range of topics there.
00:18:06
So there's plenty to look at just beyond the Washington football team taking on Pittsburgh last night in that, Okay, get out as well.
00:18:14
And then you'll you'll be seeing us, Uh, potentially.
00:18:19
When will we be? Ah, no, we'll be on on Thursday.
00:18:21
So check out Lawrence and myself on Thursday, doing our previous show along with Ray as well.
00:18:25
Ray wrap myself and Laurence Owen previewing Thursday football.
00:18:29
So be in touch for that as well.
00:18:30
But, um, yeah, so that's the fun stuff for LeBron James.
00:18:33
That's the interesting footnotes.
00:18:35
Thea. Other thing, too, is if you're interested.
00:18:37
I mentioned Doug Nori before he does. DFS are.
00:18:40
That's daily fantasy sports rankings he's starting to run through.
00:18:43
You'll see this information out there unnecessarily, but he's starting to run through some of his win total projections around the N B A.
00:18:48
And you can start to think about where are some of these teams gonna land? It feels like a worthwhile thing just to touch on here because I've been I won't gild the lily.
00:18:59
You could go listen to us on the podcast and hear us talk a little bit about some of these teams, but about teams that we were expecting to come back big and strong here, like the Golden State Warriors.
00:19:08
Then they lose. Clay Thompson.
00:19:11
What is the construct of that team? Look, look like now in the news, Steph Curry ready to talk extensions? He's in it.
00:19:17
Committed for the long haul.
00:19:21
I think that Steph Curry is always going to be the long haul piece there in Golden State.
00:19:26
But what do we anticipate around a Draymond green? What we anticipate around Clay Thompson now is he'll be working back from yet another injury setback as all these guys approach into their thirties.
00:19:36
Now, a lot of big numbers on the books, they're there for them.
00:19:39
So, um, where do they stack up now without Klay Thompson going into this season? And then likewise, we talk about the ups and downs.
00:19:46
One of the other ones, Uh, interesting teams.
00:19:48
I'll say they had an interesting offseason, a little bit.
00:19:51
Head scratching was the Detroit Pistons.
00:19:53
And yet it's going, you know, if you get Blake Griffin healthy and he's evolved, his came a little bit and he's hitting those perimeter shots.
00:20:02
What does that look like now? You're still gonna have Derrick Rose, then.
00:20:05
This is a team that last season 20 and 46.
00:20:08
Not an impressive set of numbers there, obviously, but you're now looking at a rosters.
00:20:12
We get inside them a little bit in.
00:20:14
The Nets were able to make a trade there to bring in Brown, help fill out their defensive needs, and, in return, they sent back over a player in Uh, Moussa, that has been around the Nets roster for a few years.
00:20:26
Ultimately, never really came to fruition.
00:20:28
And right now, if you were to look over at their depth chart, he's buried down on there in terms of how he comes into this roster of one of the forward positions.
00:20:36
Potentially, uh, he's a little bit further down now.
00:20:38
They brought in Jeremy Grant.
00:20:41
That's obviously a nice piece.
00:20:42
It's a little bit interesting because you're talking about a guy who's going to go from more of a supporting role to a prominent role.
00:20:49
And how does that relationship alongside Blake Griffin play out? I think potentially, when you talk about the style Blake grips play combined with the perimeter shooting and the defense that you're going to get from Grant, that could be a big upswing for them you've got right there.
00:21:03
You know, killing Haze.
00:21:04
You know who slates in where? In the hierarchy of those guards you're still gonna have Derrick Rose on.
00:21:10
Then you talk about at the center position.
00:21:11
Think the curiosity.
00:21:12
Is that right there.
00:21:13
Center position.
00:21:14
Right now it's a Plumlee.
00:21:16
Stewart, okay for, you know, kind of line up there at the five.
00:21:20
I like Plumlee.
00:21:21
I prefer him in a supporting role again.
00:21:24
So in some regards, you're looking at a team that's taking a bit of a bit of a chance on a couple of guys that may be our best suited, not in more prominent roles.
00:21:32
And they could excel because they get some reps against second units.
00:21:35
They could be high energy guys, etcetera.
00:21:37
So it's a high risk.
00:21:38
High risk may not be the put it.
00:21:41
There were 21 team, but it's certainly a risk to go into the season with this lineup.
00:21:45
Then you start to think about the Derrick Rose's of the world.
00:21:48
Is he possibly immovable piece, so keeping an eye on them early in the season is going to be very interesting to see how this roster is playing itself out as Lauren shouts out to us again and says, Who could be the biggest next player to move in the N B A.
00:22:02
Yeah, well, we started it off talking about Harden.
00:22:05
That seems like it's a possibility.
00:22:07
Maybe you got the bill peace with the Washington Wizards.
00:22:10
Potentially could be somebody on the move.
00:22:13
And then, I mean, I'm highlighting talking about Derrick Rose again, depending how things playing, this isn't.
00:22:18
Or as you move towards the trade deadline, then you can start looking at guys like Derrick Rose and saying he still has value.
00:22:24
He still has value on a roster.
00:22:26
I think you could look at that as well.
00:22:28
I mentioned Golden State and the difficulty they're gonna maybe have this season.
00:22:32
You could think about a dream on Green, depending on what they look to do there.
00:22:37
Because he was already showing maybe some of the downside of his career and what his value is gonna be.
00:22:42
The shooting started to slip a little.
00:22:44
Maybe he's still just a defensive energy guy, and that looks a lot different.
00:22:47
And I think nearly $30 million that he's making so perhaps they look to jettison and break up some things here during this season.
00:22:54
If things are trending wrong for Golden State or even a Wigan, you could tell me a big of A, that is, but Wiggins would certainly be one that could be on the move as well. Again.
00:23:04
Big price tag for them there.
00:23:05
And then the other guy who did move teams in this season.
00:23:08
And it would have value for another N B.
00:23:10
A roster that's looking to make a run.
00:23:12
That over two is I get the roster up here.
00:23:15
The Oklahoma City Thunder.
00:23:16
There's a lot of pieces on here that you think, and by the way, just a quick touch on on the Golden State Warriors side of it.
00:23:23
You're also gonna have another player there as well.
00:23:27
Just make sure that I highlight him.
00:23:28
I'm doing too much jumping around here and getting myself all turned around.
00:23:33
Uber would be another guy, right? So, depending on what happens there in Golden State and how the projections were playing out, Uber who's just finding himself there via trade could also find himself right back out there on on the trade market.
00:23:45
So golden state's gonna have a couple of players that you may want to keep an eye on there.
00:23:49
I don't know if they're considered to be big names and then, like once is we go over to Okay.
00:23:52
See, now then you're talking about our roster.
00:23:56
Obviously, they're able to move.
00:23:58
Uh, they're able to move a player in CP three.
00:24:00
They get back some some players in return.
00:24:03
SG is gonna be there to get George Hill is a backup guard.
00:24:06
Al Horford is the one that jumps out of you, though, depending on how early early stages of this season are going and how things are meshing there in O K.
00:24:13
C.
00:24:14
It just from a numbers standpoint, has a big contract.
00:24:16
I I think that you could see him potentially be on the move.
00:24:19
Um, you know, where's the landing spot for him? That's a little bit tricky.
00:24:23
Teams looking to get bigger.
00:24:24
He's not a young man by any stretch.
00:24:27
He does, however, ironically, stretch the floor a little bit there for you from the five.
00:24:32
Although ideally, you'd almost probably rather have him getting in mawr of a four slash five role than a pure five because defensively it's gonna be a little more difficult for him in his stage, you'll to defend out to the perimeter as well.
00:24:46
But he's had a bad run.
00:24:47
It was a bad fit there for the 76 or so.
00:24:49
Just getting out of there alone is good. Now.
00:24:52
The next step is re establishing your value.
00:24:54
And then, okay, see, being able to get value in return by jettisoning you off, maybe to some other team that has deep playoff run aspirations in this particulars.
00:25:03
So, yeah, I mean, listen, Westbrook, that that's the funny thing to write.
00:25:08
They make the swap between Houston and Washington, and it's just, Hey, it's the numbers.
00:25:13
That's why you're able to move them out of the two of them wall coming off, obviously injuries.
00:25:18
You don't know what is gonna look like.
00:25:19
The only problem with Westbrook is that yes, can he be an asset? Sure, but the problem is like, you know, he diminishes the value of other players at times when he's on the floor.
00:25:29
It's the exact reason why, if Bill doesn't move from Washington, what does have him along one another, and are you going to run into difficulty around trying to balance how Westbrook wants to play versus the need of deal, to get his touches and have his look.
00:25:44
So, you know, as a guard position again, you think about teams that are really in that mold.
00:25:51
There's not a lot that you go.
00:25:52
Let's let's risk potentially upsetting the apple cart to go ahead and get back in, uh, shoe, that landscape.
00:25:59
But I'm just trying toe kind of think a little bit around the MBA here.
00:26:03
And what would be a team that could potentially benefit from him, you know? No, I just need to throw out a team like the like, the 70 Sixers.
00:26:16
Um, I could make it out.
00:26:19
Now there's some world where there's, like a team like the Charlotte Hornets, who have already made a big splash here trying to think about, you know, they brought in Hayward still have rosier there, so maybe there's something that could happen there.
00:26:31
They have to about a gram.
00:26:32
They drafted bowl in the short term.
00:26:35
I don't know, but you already have young and young talent there and I think you know, this really becomes that balancing act, though everyone said when they went got Hayward.
00:26:41
Hey, you're paying $120 million to get a guy who's significantly older than the rest of your roster.
00:26:47
But if there is a world where they're sniffing around that playoff push, and you think a guy like Westbrook could get you over the edge and just secure that playoff spot for you for a team that has had difficulty doing so maybe that maybe they make a stab at that, depending on what the asking prices.
00:27:02
And that's really if you're the Wizards, I think your best case scenario because nothing about higher constructed right now.
00:27:07
Listen, could Westbrook on that roster with deal on every other piece they have.
00:27:11
There be a playoff team, yes, but the long term future, I think if you're the wizard, you'd like to say, And then we flip this guy again and were able to get back more than we had to give up to get him in return.
00:27:23
We moved off of that Big John Wall contract of 40 million.
00:27:27
Now we move off the 40 million of Westbrook.
00:27:29
We get back our draft assets and essentially we go $40 million clear right And then it's the be all peace.
00:27:35
Is he staying? Can you build around him? And then you look towards that free agency class and say, Who could we attract in here to play alongside, Peel and try to ramp ourselves back up and get into that four or five seed conversation in the Eastern Conference? Because as well, get out the door here on this? Why not? When you look around the embassy specifically over in the Eastern Conference, remember we talked about How do you rank him, right? Milwaukee, Toronto, Boston.
00:27:59
Okay, these are all teams that you expect to be in and around it.
00:28:01
Obviously, you throw Brooklyn up at the top of that class.
00:28:03
I think Philadelphia will get back up that list there a little bit.
00:28:06
If we're just running through the rankings from last season's playoffs, a Miami Heat are gonna be there.
00:28:11
The Pacers are anywhere from you know, there are 567 kind of seed and then you get back down to the back end.
00:28:16
Orlando Magics falling off.
00:28:17
I think they didn't really do anything substantial to improve themselves.
00:28:21
Yes, the Wizards with Westbrook, at least because you didn't have wall on the floor should be a better team.
00:28:25
So there in the mix for the eighth seed is Charlotte in the mix there question marks. Certainly.
00:28:30
Chicago Billy Donovan there now, but again, these Air 20 range twin teens.
00:28:35
How much of a surgeon they're getting, The big one there is going to be Atlanta they basic significant moves to try to improve themselves.
00:28:40
Where does that put them? But if you are any of these teams, like the back end there, the 78 seat is wide open for the for the East, right, you can do it.
00:28:50
So there's going to be teams that may not look like they should be in buy mode.
00:28:55
Could be in buy mode if you're in the Eastern Conference.
00:28:57
So that's why you say the Hornets, the Wizards, the Pistons, the Hawks I mean, I don't know whatever the bull, they're gonna land.
00:29:03
Maybe they would look to shake things up if it looks like they can make themselves a run getting into the playoffs on the back end of things and you're gonna have those playing games as well.
00:29:11
So the nine and 10 seeds become crucial to so you could have more buyers than sellers.
00:29:16
As you work through the season in the trade deadline, then you normally would.
00:29:19
So unlike the Western Conference, where you say if you're the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Kings, the the Spurs, right, you're on the back end there.
00:29:28
You probably got to stand Pat because eighth seed was the Portland Trailblazers who got significantly better, especially defensively in their off season.
00:29:35
Really Like what they did.
00:29:36
35 wins for them last year, 35 39.
00:29:38
We're gonna be better.
00:29:39
Dallas Mavericks were 43 32.
00:29:41
That's the seventh seed in the Western Conference.
00:29:44
So how those teams shuffled out is going to make them look a lot different.
00:29:47
And then you could start to look into, as we expect the Spurs with the Rosen.
00:29:51
With Aldrich, they could be sellers at the deadline.
00:29:54
Those pieces can be valuable to championship contenders play off contenders.
00:29:58
So that's how you can start to shuffle the deck a little bit there in the Western Conference.
00:30:01
But those could be Western Conference players going east as opposed to Eastern Conference players coming towards the West.
00:30:07
But that's all gonna play itself out so we'll see how that works itself out.
00:30:11
As you know, I'm gonna be back in on Thursday morning, right here with Matt Brooks will be breaking down the end.
00:30:17
The news we have next week.
00:30:20
Next week, friends.
00:30:21
Preseason games will be on the slate.
00:30:23
So we'll have some things to talk about as that rules around is, well, shout out to everybody.
00:30:27
You join in on the livestream that a special tip of the hat to Lawrence own for checking in on the stream and getting involved in the check.
00:30:34
That's what we love to dio get into some of those questions and speculation.
00:30:37
You can check him out.
00:30:38
By the way, look him up at Lawrence.
00:30:40
So when act coleslaw, he's doing coverage around the Colts also does great NFL film breakdown as well.
00:30:46
So if you want to see that go searching amount, you can use hashtag S c n N f l to find him and everybody else.
00:30:53
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00:30:54
You got Joe Nouveau myself doing content on the NFL side of things as well.
00:30:58
So big shadow one last time.
00:30:59
Lauren.
00:31:00
So Lauren NFL, as you can see him there in the chat box for us, though.
00:31:03
Here on the MBA side of the use hashtag s CNN ba for all that great coverage.
00:31:07
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00:31:10
You've also got Simeone muscle.
00:31:12
You've got Matt Brooks myself breaking everything down as we surge towards the start of the 2020 21 MBA season at nearly the end of the year.
00:31:22
But, hey, we sneak it into the wire.
00:31:24
And, of course, we're excited to move our way through it and head towards what should be a very interesting, very exciting start to the season, especially as you work towards the 22nd start of the season opening night games slate there and then those Christmas Day games.
00:31:38
Which, by the way, if Laurence Owen is still watching this, how you're supposed to do? We had our debate around the NFL on Thanksgiving Day games, and Detroit has to be a part of stable.
00:31:48
Take a look at what the NBA does on the Christmas Day games.
00:31:52
They take the cream of the crop, the best of the best.
00:31:55
They line up those tasty matchups, and they showcase that for everyone to see on their nationally televised games.
00:32:01
That's what I want from NFL on Thanksgiving.
00:32:03
Not this weird pop with perversion of Detroit Lions or out that season.
00:32:07
And then, in this particular year, the Houston Texans.
00:32:10
What a mismatch, Anyway, we'll be back in, as I said Thursday morning myself, Matt Brooks breaking it all down.
00:32:16
Until then, we thank you for checking in with us and we will catch up with you soon.

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