Good morning, everyone.
I've It's Tuesday and we got more football today.
Way got more football today, so we're excited to be here.
We love Tuesdays, Most importantly, because John sapa Chetty joins us later.
We're gonna have a lot of fun.
Talk them as we do.
Or at least I have fun talking with him.
Mike occasionally pops in with a comment here and there, but, um, he talks less than teller in these segments.
So without further ado, we're gonna bring him on because I want to get his energy, get his all the energy he has bottled up for the first half segment.
We're gonna get him in here because we're going to talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers losing to go toe 11 1.
And yes, folks, the Miami Dolphins of 1972 pop their champagne and celebrated mhm Anyways, Mike, how we doing today? Look, I'm doing well.
I'm doing better than the Steelers are this morning.
I guarantee you that because I can't hear Michael, Are you there? My friend, I am here.
Well, apparently we don't have Mike.
Hey, he kind of dropped on us.
So let's let's see what's going on here.
We're obviously talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers.
They dropped their first game of the season last night to fall to 11 or one and by 11 or 10 you hear? Mike? Bill, Here's Mike, but I can't hear Mike. Okay.
I know what's going on.
Mike. Say something, my friend.
You're still not getting sorry If Bill can hear Mike, I can't focus right now.
Maybe tight, Uh, what you're saying to me so I can read it on SportsCastr? Um, let's try to figure this out, though, because again, we're gonna have John Sapper Chetty here on probably in about 20 minutes or so.
And, uh, we're, you know, we're gonna talk quarterbacks, MVPs, Aaron Rodgers, maybe some basketball a little LeBron James.
We'll see how that goes.
Um, little sound check. Mike.
Let me Let me see if I can hear you and you hear me? Well, I see your, uh I see your voice coming across.
So I know the folks out there can hear you.
Um, I'm thinking I'm thinking right now that we're having a little bit of an issue with my routing audio routing software.
Because clearly, I just can't hear Mike, which is It's a bit difficult when you're trying to do a show together.
Um, like, do me a favor.
I know you can't hear or I can't hear you, but I know the folks out.
There are no bs and on SportsCastr can hear you.
So, um, tell them a story here for a minute when I try to figure this out.
Okay, I will tell our adoring public a story.
Uh, first of all, seeing that he and can't hear me right now, I could pretty much say anything I want to about him.
But you know what? I'm not gonna bad about the man I'm not gonna do.
That's not my style.
Anybody that watched the Washington game against the Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday knows that going 16 and it was not a foregone collusion is only one team that's done that it is the 2000 and seven Patriots.
Um, you know, with the exception of the Miami Dolphins, of course, that is still the only undefeated team from pillar deposed in the NFL.
Uh, this is a very, very difficult task, and it's a very difficult thing to do.
I was surprised as anybody by Washington being the team that ended that streak.
I thought it was gonna be anybody.
I thought Buffalo had a good shot at it this week.
Maybe Indianapolis, maybe Cleveland to close out the season, did not think it was gonna be Washington.
But there was not a better story right now, folks than seeing a quarterback like Alex Smith, who really people wondered whether or not he'd even be able to walk again, let alone come on onto a football field.
He's onto a football field, he's playing at a pretty high level, and Washington is really rallying around him.
So there's a good nucleus there in the capital city.
Ah, lot to build on very well.
Coached by Ron Rivera without any question, he's had a tumultuous year is well on, you know, and trying to, you know, go through what he's gone through and still maintain control.
That football team is amazing, it really is.
It's really just a great story in Washington right now, and for lack of a better term, this is going to be a hardening of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
We're going to see what this team is made out of dropping a game, knowing that you could have gone undefeated.
How do you respond? How do you come out of this? What do you do to prove that you deserve to be among the elite teams in the league? They're facing one of the elite teams in the A F C next week and the Buffalo Bills.
They're coming off a big win last night as well, 34 to 24 over the San Francisco 40 Niners.
So this is gonna be a big week for the Steelers.
Is gonna be a statement game for them.
Do they show up, give Buffalo all they can handle, um, or do they fold? I think they're going to show up and give them all that they can handle.
I think there's hard on this team.
I do think there is a lot of talent on both sides of the ball.
They unraveled last night.
They did not get the job done, but ultimately, I think it's gonna be interesting to see if they could get to the Buffalo Bills on and see what what's what.
They're But Buffalo is gonna be ready about ready for this game without any question.
So, uh, are you hearing me at all, my friend? I am indeed my friend.
I was just listening to the last 30 seconds or so, I think. Yeah.
I don't know what remains the only perfect aspect about this show.
Yeah, well, technically, I did go perfect on my Monday picks to know my friend to know You gotta start somewhere.
It was it was the instance of just deciding not to work on me when we started.
Because it was clearly working before we went on the air.
But things went funky.
And before going on here, Yeah.
So that that's the good thing.
And thank you for holding down the fort.
I came in towards the end as you were talking about the bills.
We both obviously picked the bills. The wind yesterday.
We were right about that.
Although maybe in our hearts, we were not rooting for the bills.
Obviously, with the Patriots somewhat on their heels Still for the race for the division and Obviously you never want to see teams in your division win unless it's the Jets.
And, of course, then they disappoint you.
So, um, let's start with Pittsburgh, because I I didn't quite catch.
I'm assuming you talked about Pittsburgh, and obviously that was the part where I was not able to hear you.
But we saw and I talked about this, uh, Friday when we made our picks, cause we actually picked this game on Friday and I said it on Sunday as well.
I just I saw a team, the Pittsburgh Steelers that looked very vulnerable.
Now we're not trying to take away credit for them being 11, and Oh, but, um, you can't ignore that.
Yeah, they had the benefit of playing a pretty soft schedule.
And, uh, I don't want to say soft, because these are all NFL teams and you still have to show up and play to win.
You know, you still have to compete.
I mean, as we saw last night, maybe they took Washington a little lightly.
I saw it a little bit differently.
I saw a team that that wasn't necessarily just four and seven.
I saw a team that had been played some really good football, especially since Alex Smith took over, uh, calling the signals for, you know, for the for the football team.
And it came to fruition last night because, well, Washington made the plays at the end.
Ben Roethlisberger through a devastating pick.
Uh, in that final drive, I mean again, you can going off the hands, whatever.
I mean, it's still it's a it's a bad turn over when you have a chance.
Thio, uh, come back in tie or win the game.
So, Pittsburgh, that's a huge loss for them.
I don't think again.
I don't think whether they won or lost this game changed anything.
That they, in my opinion, were pretty ripe for the picking.
Especially get certain other teams.
But this this open now opens the door for Kansas City to take that one seed, and I'd imagine they will, because again, I I just even before they lost to this, uh, to this football team, um, I I was kind of losing ah, lot of confidence in this Pittsburgh team and losing, but to pre didn't help is well, so now that was a part of it as well.
I mean, look, you take a look at what? The Steelers air reverting back. Thio.
It's almost going back to the 2019 days of the You know of what they had for their their offensive output, which was really the Achilles heel of that team last year, averaging 4.
8 yards per play and 2.
6 yards per rush.
That's in the last couple of games.
Then that's what they've reverted back Thio in 2019, their season average 4.
7 yards per play, 3.
7 yards per rush.
Those were both good for 30th in the league.
That's not gonna get it done.
You're a team that's supposed to be an elite team in this in this conference in this, uh, in the NFL, and if you're not going to play like that, the drops air coming back.
This is gonna be a problem for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
If they don't right this ship now, I believe there is.
And I said this while you were on break.
I do believe there is talent on both sides of the ball to write this thing to get this thing taken care of, but a lot of it is gonna be on Mike Tomlin and how he's gonna be able to rally his troops against what? It's gonna be a very good team and a very big game coming up for the Buffalo Bills.
But they smell blood in the water.
This team is winning.
This team's wants to show they belong in that upper echelon of teams in this conference, and they're gonna be hungry to show the Pittsburgh Steelers what they can dio.
They might smell a little blood in the water now.
Big statement game Coming up for the Steelers.
As I just previously said, We're going to see what they're made out of this week because that Buffalo Bills team that they're gonna be facing is for really look.
And we talked about this a little bit yesterday.
Kind of the Patriots, uh, lying in the weights and having a chance to make this thing playoff season.
And if things work out, you could potentially see a Pittsburgh versus New England first round matchup.
If Pittsburgh falls to the number two seed and I look at that, I'm like, I'll take the Patriots 10 times out of 10 because again, I just I feel like that's a matchup.
Disadvantage for them? Certainly the way both teams are playing football right now, I mean again, that could change in a month.
You know? Well, we visit it when when the time comes, if the time comes, um, but I I just it's it's tough for me to sit there and say that Can Pittsburgh beat Kansas City and And look, we'll get into this here in a minute to because I I some are.
Kansas City is unbeatable, like I'm sure some other folks out there, I'm sure are pumping.
But that that's not the case at all.
There's They're very beatable.
I just don't think Pittsburgh can beat them.
So Pittsburgh again, you know, you want to hold on to that one seed.
If you If your Pittsburgh you want to keep, um you know that that top spot And, uh, now they're gonna hope that they went out in Kansas.
Kansas City drops a game here over the next four weeks so they could take that back.
But it's gonna be an interesting race here, down down the stretch, because, uh, you know, I think this number one seed you know, I don't want to say it's more important to Pittsburgh.
I think both of these teams, it's pretty important.
And I'm talking about the Chiefs and the Steelers.
I think the other teams have, Yeah, maybe accepted that.
They're not going to get the one seed.
Cleveland might have a say in it, depending on again.
How these next couple of weeks ago.
And if Cleveland can went out in Pittsburgh, drops a couple more well of a sudden, you have Ah, interesting, uh, battle there at the top of the A F C.
So, um yeah, like I said, I wasn't again.
Obviously wasn't surprised by this.
I actually picked Washington.
It was one of the few good things that I did actually hit the trifecta, my friend.
I picked the spread.
I got the over under right, and I picked the winner.
And I once again regret actually not betting on stuff like that, because I feel like considering considering Thea upset, I could have won some cash or something.
But hindsight Hey, it is what it is.
But you know what? You got the bragging rights, and that's more valuable now. Oh, my kidding.
Now you want cash, but in any case, cash, cash, cash, cash me outside.
But in any case, that never caught on the way I wanted it to.
It's a good the gunner at a huge game on Sunday, you know, because because we have my my 2020 mean game is definitely not what it was last year.
But who made that man a gunner That's still going strong.
Boy, I'll tell you, he brought it back in a big way.
Last, uh, last Sunday, but yeah, the cash cash me inside, cash me outside.
That didn't work out, But whatever again, you know, you win some, you lose somebody.
You know, it's just one of those things.
Um, but yeah, I mean, with Pittsburgh, there's no question about it.
That was the That was the the surprise I would say of the day.
But the, you know, give a little give a little credit to the Buffalo Bills as well picking apart to San Francisco 40 Niners four touchdowns, 375 yards.
These guys are there for real.
This Buffalo Bills team is for Riel, and with each win, they gain closer to that division title God that it's just doesn't sound right.
It just doesn't feel right.
But, you know, whatever.
What are you gonna dio? Hold on.
I know how I could make you feel better, because at the end of the day, at the end of the day, they were never able to overcome Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
Let's just put it, Let's say Let's just say it what it is.
I mean, this isn't they finally got over the hump.
They finally slayed the dragon.
No, they were never able to do it until Tom Brady.
They trying to make you feel better, my friend.
But big night for Cole Beasley last night as well.
You want to give him a lot of credit, really emerged into one of the best slot receivers in the NFL, Um, 130 yards.
113 came in the first half and again, if Buffalo was playing like that on offense and their defense starts to get guys back in the fold and they start to play up to the caliber level of defense that we saw last year, that Buffalo Bills team is gonna be very difficult to beat, too.
So before the crown is all of a sudden just completely handed to the Kansas City Chiefs, which I know a lot of people were ready to do last night after Pittsburgh fell there, sputtering a little bit.
They have to get back on track.
Everybody's thinking up.
Here we go Clear sailing for the Chiefs.
Yeah, I think the Chiefs are in the driver's seat.
I think they're definitely in the best position right now, but do not sleep on this.
Buffalo Bills team folks kept a sharp guy on them all year long, covering the Patriots again.
This team is for real and that they could get it done on both sides of the ball.
So big win for them last night and a huge win on Monday Night football.
Which is not something that happens in Buffalo very often, my friend.
Uh, last time I believe they did it.
Doug Flutie was the quarter.
I was I was in middle school, E I was getting ready to listen.
Thio graduation from vitamin C for graduates.
I mean, I'm pretty sure every, um, every high school middle school within, probably like a span of, like 97 to 2004.
So I think you know what I'm talking about, right? You remember that song eso anyways, that that's where I was in 1999.
Well, again, technically, it was 2000 that I left middle school, but you know what I'm saying? It's been it's been a while.
That's that's the point of this.
Um, maybe perhaps we can.
You know, I hit the trifecta this weekend, and before we get John SAPA Chetty on here, he's gonna join us.
We're gonna have some fun talking about the M V P race for sure.
Uh, perhaps the the NFC East can hit the trifecta this weekend because, well, obviously, football team won last night.
Uh, the Giants upset Seattle.
We didn't mention that yesterday, and you have Dallas and Baltimore tonight and again.
This is a situation where if you're a Patriots fan, like like the two of us are, we're We've never shied away from that.
Uh, you want Dallas toe win this game.
You don't want Baltimore to win.
Baltimore's lost two in a row there, one of your closest, uh, competitors for one of those final playoff spot.
So you better bet that a lot of Patriots fans are gonna be a big Cowboys fans tonight, rooting for a Cowboys due to somehow pull this off.
I don't know if it's gonna happen.
I did pick Baltimore, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.
And I'm hoping the pattern of me being wrong continues tonight.
So I I did pick Baltimore as well.
But look, there's nobody that's gonna be wanting Mawr.
Uh, you know, Thio to see the Cowboys come out on top in this one, then Patriots fans right now, because their playoff hopes are really tied, two teams helping them out.
And this is an unfamiliar territory for New England Patriots fans.
Generally, if the Pats are going to the playoffs, it's their controlling their own fate.
It's not about wanting other teams to lose or other teams to have toe win in order to get them into the playoffs.
They've done that proceeding before.
That's always been a concern there, but it's never been about getting into the playoffs in the Brady Belichick era this year much, much different.
But the Patriots do still have a chance.
And if Baltimore falls to the Cowboys tonight, that only makes their road that much easier.
That's why, in a lot of ways, Patriots fans were hoping that the Jets were gonna knock off the Raiders because it was better for them.
The Jets are obviously at the bottom.
They're not a threat.
But it would have been a lot better for the Patriots if the Raiders had fallen in that game.
So, you know, definitely take a look tonight.
Well, see? And I hope I'm wrong about that.
I hope Dallas can come out with wind, But, uh, you know, Baltimore is kind of like that.
That angry junkyard dog type team right now that's really been playing some poor football.
They haven't been playing up to their specifications lately, but I think that there is still ah, glimmer of that team that we saw last year, and maybe they show it tonight against against a Dallas team that has been decent.
They've been up and down, but I don't know what to expect.
You never know what to expect from the Cowboys one weeks on the next Well, and here's the thing to it, Z.
You know, the Patriots have already beaten the Ravens.
So the Ravens dropping to six and six.
All of a sudden the Patriots will move up.
You know, they're gonna move up a spot if if the Ravens lose tonight, um, which again, you know, put some closer and closer to the playoffs, and and having that tiebreaker is huge.
I mean, some of the big games that the Patriots did win this season could really come back toe to benefit them because, you know, despite losing to Buffalo already, they have wins against the Jets.
They have wins against the Dolphins.
And you know, it's gonna be interesting to see how that plays out.
And we're not gonna have to wait to too long because they play on Thursday night.
Uh, toc the Patriots again so that that should be fun.
Um, I I want Thio.
We're going to stop this conversation now because we're going to bring in our Fabi.
I actually are only guest, really the only one who ever joins us Now, John sapa Chetty And I don't know what that says about John or us to be honest with you because clearly we can't get anyone else, but no, we all kidding aside, I'm stealing Mike's lingo.
They're all kidding aside.
We actually love having John here, and we have them here now.
How you doing, John? Good morning.
And we, the three nerds in high school that sit together during lunch break and no one else associates with us.
Or we're Bill Belichick and Ernie Adams, the two weird guys that are geniuses that no one understands keyword, keyword geniuses.
And I'll leave it at that.
I'll really, you know, pump the pump the tires on that one.
Uh, let's go out.
There's a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about, mainly.
Obviously, you know, we're gonna talk about your guys, your your quarterbacks there.
But before that before that, we haven't actually talked to you or or maybe we just didn't have a chance toe touch on it last week.
We I actually haven't talked to you since LeBron James and Anthony Davis, uh, signed their respective contracts.
Obviously, LeBron James signing an extension.
Anthony Davis re upping with the Lakers.
I just want to get your thoughts on that and kind of, you know, what do you think? You know? Realistic, You know, title number you know Thio in the most optimistic outlook for the Lakers.
What do you think the most realistic title aspirations should be for this team For those next few years? It's pretty much guaranteed.
They're gonna be together for the next three years.
And then LeBron's contractors up and we'll see if he's going to retire at that point.
Continue to play.
Or maybe he goes elsewhere.
Um, I think they can win two out of the next three titles.
It is a seamless do.
Oh, we've seen a lot of great duos in the MBA, but I can't think of many better than LeBron James and Anthony Davis on the core thing.
That so? Well, no, not at all.
Our Harden in anyone.
We're going to see Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.
I think that's gonna be a cluster.
You know what? Especially if they ever had James Harden the equation.
That would be most watch TV, but I think it would implode at some point during the season S O on the court.
It's seamless because LeBron is still the ultimate facilitator who could, by the way, scored 30 points per game.
And Anthony Davis, you know, can score in so many different ways.
Incredible for a big man.
Such a high skill level.
So on the court is perfect.
Off the court is perfect because LeBron is the best leader in the n B A.
And Anthony Davis isn't interested in being the Alfa.
He's very content being the number two guy.
I'll go back to my, uh, I won't call my youth.
I'm not, You know, quite that young.
I'm a little older than that.
But when I was actually covering the Celtics in the eighties, a za freelancer for ESPN, McHale in Bird was a perfect duo because Bird was the outfit.
He was the leader.
McHale was very content in the second and sometimes the third option behind even Robert Paris.
So that's why that works so well.
And you saw that with the Lakers in the eighties.
I think Kareem was more than willing to let Magic be the face of the franchise.
Ah, lot of its personality.
Davis is much quieter than LeBron and that's why I think that this this work so I think they can win two other next three titles.
They put some really great pieces around them, adding um, Schroeder.
Who is the German Rondo, right? I mean, he's, uh, six or seven years younger and actually a better three point shooter.
Adding him, I think, is Ah, nice piece.
So I think that there, clearly the favorite this year if LeBron and Anthony Davis stay healthy, I can't see anybody beating them in a seven game Siri's.
And you know, the Clippers of the team out west that the X factors.
But look, that doesn't seem to mesh well with Y Leonard and Paul George.
I think the preferential treatment that they got last year really p o d.
A lot of their teammates who had built a really good culture there the year before.
Those two players showed up.
It ended up with, You know, Doc Rivers going to Philadelphia Now you get Tyler was head coach Tyler's record, by the way, in Cleveland in games where LeBron James didn't play while LeBron was on the roster, Not not the year after he left one in 18.
So that shows you the value LeBron James.
I think they're gonna be just fine.
I could see them winning two out of the next three would love to see them threepeat so that he has his threepeat.
That's a difficult thing to pull off.
Even the great warriors of the last five years before last year were unable to three people.
I think they'll win two out of the next three.
And then the discussion becomes even more intense with LeBron the Michael Jordan Look.
I think LeBron's the better basketball player than Michael Jordan.
He gets the six titles he'll have as many as Jordan will have six additional finals appearances.
And yes, six and six is better than six.
And oh, I know Skip Bayless, Ben Volin.
Some other people don't quite understand that logic, but my logic is Would you rather have six days and six bees if you were in class, or would you rather have six days and six DS? I'd rather the six days and six bees.
Okay, I agree with you on that one.
I think it's, uh, e.
Think again, the knock, not the knock.
But, you know, one of the things holding the Brownback is his lack of success relative to Michael Jordan.
Of course, you know, in a big picture, he he doesn't have that he has a lot of success, but when you're trying to, uh, compare yourselves to who? A lot of people, uh, consider at least you know, for for the better part of the last 20 years have considered as the greatest basketball player of all time.
You gotta, you know, it's a it's a steep hill to climb.
So again, though, if they went three in a row, including this last one, you know, that's a discussion.
And anyone who says otherwise even even me again, I'm a Jordan guy.
But, you know, even I would have to sit there and say like, Okay, well, now I'm just being stubborn, but we haven't got to that point yet, so I'm not ready.
Thio Thio admit that quite yet.
But again, we'll talk.
Hopefully, we'll talk here about that in a couple of years, and we'll have a better idea who get to that.
And by the way, I'm wearing a purple hooded sweatshirt.
So you know where I'm coming from. Okay.
I was gonna say Minnesota, right? Yes, exactly.
Not a big Viking fan.
No, you cannot be a Viking fan of your ****stan.
Their mortal enemy.
Yeah, Well, I'll be rooting for.
I think I'll be rooting for the Vikings this week.
I think that's who they're.
I can't remember what the plan.
I think I might be rooting for them.
No Viking complain.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers? No, that's okay.
That's next week.
I'll be rooting for them.
Okay? Because I will.
Obviously, I want Brady to win, so we'll get the quarterbacks in a minute.
Hold your horses, John. Alright.
No, I don't wanna talk.
You're talking over Mike.
Poor Mike has instead of words since you hopped on here.
Mike, what's up, buddy? Yeah.
E was going to say I got to get the Stooges sleeping.
Sound bite. That would have been perfect.
You were woken me from my slumber, John.
Happy Tuesday morning.
But he always always glad Thio speak with you.
Happy Tuesday, My happy Tuesday.
Like going Mike's going all the way of James Harden.
Work stoppage? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, like that.
Well, that was That was the next thing I wanted to ask you Before we do get into quarterbacks is obviously we saw Russell Westbrook get traded.
Uh, James Harden apparently is, is a bit of a holdout um how do you see this coming on? Do you do you see? And I'm with you? Like I want James Harden to go to the Nets, Not because it would make them great, But I think it would just be an absolute, like you said, Like an s show.
You know, it would just be appointment viewing any time that they got on camera, and it doesn't have to be on the court.
So what? Your thoughts? How do you think that actually plays out? Because again, I think Houston, that's a weekend team in the West.
You talk about Golden State? I mean, losing Clay Thompson for the year again.
That's gonna be devastating for a team looking to get back.
So how do you see this Houston thing? Resolving.
They have to trade him.
I mean, he doesn't wanna be there.
Once you've held out, it kind of sends a message that I want to move on from here.
So you look to trade him, whether it's Philadelphia, Brooklyn, those seem to be the two destinations that he'd like to go to.
Um, you know, obviously going to Brooklyn, he would be playing with K D and Kyrie, and they also have Mike D'Antoni as their assistant coach.
There, with Steve Nash is the head coach, and God bless Steve Nash.
If he's got to deal with Que De Kyrie and James Harden all rolled into one or Philadelphia and again, what could use and get back for James Harden? I mean, I think Harden would fit in Philadelphia better because he'd be playing with a big guy who actually is so skilled in Joel and be, um, you know, with Ben Simmons be traded to Houston for James Harden and what exactly would happen there? But I think he has to move on from Houston.
Hey, can't get along with anyone.
He went to Houston.
He couldn't get along with him.
He couldn't get along with Chris Paul.
He couldn't get along with Russell Westbrook, whose one of his best friends now John Wall, was there.
So you know when everyone seems to not work with you, then it's you.
You know you are the problem.
And I'm not a fan of James Harden, another fan watching him play.
I think it's incredibly boring and frustrating toe watch a guy play is a ball.
I mean, it almost seems like they're playing street basketball when we see James hard.
Look, he's incredibly productive, absolutely.
But I think it's ugly. Toe watch.
Um, he's a Hall of Famer.
He's one of M v P finished second several times.
He's put up phenomenal numbers, but it doesn't really work in the postseason.
And that's one of these players, a judge, for the most part.
So I think he's gonna move on from Houston.
He goes to the Eastern Conference.
The Eastern Conference does get that much stronger and more interesting again.
I'm going to Brooklyn with Kyrie and K D Man that must watch TV.
It would be the most interesting team to follow without question.
Absolutely, John, I'm glad that you brought up Golden State because a lot of ways, I think, uh, they're kind of becoming, um, I don't know, maybe put on the back burner a little bit with Clay's injuries.
But recently in the news, Steph Curry has said that the the possibility of signing an extension with the organization definitely on the table.
He reiterated that he's hopeful and eventually will retire as a member of the Warriors.
But you have to wonder what the injuries and maybe the lack of contention.
The Lakers definitely, you know, emerging as the Alfa in the Western Conference right now to start the Clippers and teams that are capable of contending, Um, is there any way, in your opinion, that you see this possibly going south and maybe seeing Steph Curry spring free? Maybe going to another team for one more playoff for championship run before he hangs it up? I don't think so.
He's so tied to the Golden State Warriors to that community that got that great new arena that they opened last year.
Now they're trying to put 50% capacity of fans in this year, and that's gonna be difficult to pull off in Northern California with the restrictions.
I don't see that happening at least till you know, calendar year 2021.
And maybe, you know, as far out of the spring or even next year, I see him retiring is a Golden State warrior.
He doesn't want to go anywhere else.
Look, the guys one you know, championships in Golden State.
He is so associated with that franchise.
Andi, I feel so bad for Clay Thompson because Clay is one of my five favorite players in the league.
I think he's the one player that you could plug in tow any franchise, and it would work.
I mean, he's a now outstanding defender, maybe the best three point shooter we've seen.
With the exception of Steph Curry, Uh, he's gonna miss the year.
So we'll see what Golden State's gonna be.
They could be the seventh or eight and a People Western Conference.
I think Steph wants to just stay there.
Um, you know, they added Wiseman rookie, who has a high ceiling, but we don't know much about him because he only played a handful of games at Memphis.
Uh, Andrew Wiggins is a guy who seems to put up numbers but doesn't help the team win.
But Golden State, I think we'll look to extend Steph Curry almost in a sense, the way you had hoped the Patriots would extend Tom Brady late in his career because there's so tied to that organization.
Of course, the n b A and in the NFL work differently.
Um, just that's the way it works on Bill Belichick's running the Patriots not the Golden State Warriors, so I think he'll stay there.
They'll probably get the seven or eight seed because he is that good and he makes plays around him better.
But, you know, the key thing will be the following year.
Click and just get back healthy.
And and now you go back to the Splash Brothers, although they will now be, you know, in there 32 33 34 year old range, which you know will impact how they perform, although with Clay Thompson, he essentially like Ray Allen.
You know, I think he's gonna be able to last a long time because of how economically he plays.
All right, No good, good insight.
And I agree with you.
I think you're absolutely right when it comes to Curry.
I think he's the type of guy that has had his success and has had his money, and I think because he's so tied to that organization, I think that he and the Golden State Warriors will come together, try to keep him in that uniform and it's good to see that you don't see that a whole lot in professional sports now and I think it's virtually impossible, if not next to impossible to do that simply because of the landscape of all professional sports.
But when a player can start and finish with the same team, it's a special thing on.
It's a good throwback to the days when we used to watch back in the day, John.
So thank you for that insight.
And I'm glad that you sent me straight on that a little bit as well.
Well, I also think, too, when you look at Clay Thompson and Steph Curry guys is they both come from money.
I mean, Steph Curry's dad was an accomplished MBA player.
Dell Curry Michael Thompson was the first pick in the 1978 draft.
He's Clay Thompson dad, so they grew up around the n ba uh, you know, they probably drove nice cars in high school, kind of like Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr.
So they come from a different perspective than many of the athletes who didn't grow up affluence.
And I think that that kind of works with them saying, You know, this is the place where comfortable and I know they love playing together.
It's a seamless back where I think the greatest backcourt in the history of the n b.
And not just because of the exquisite talent but the way they work together.
Eso I see them both staying with Golden State that ownership appreciates what both of those guys have done.
And Steph Curry, you know, I think there's Ah player over the last decade has changed the game on the court as much as anyone else or more than anyone else.
With the possible exception, of course, of LeBron, who's who's kind of changed the landscape of professional sports off the court in terms of mobility and and getting into business and being socially active.
And Steph Curry has been able to do that as well.
But kids in high school, uh, girls teams in high school, their favorite player is Steph Curry, because now you know he's a 6 ft three guy who doesn't look imposing, who's the greatest shooter I've ever seen.
And and that translates well, toe, you know, smaller kids in high school said, Hey, you know what? Someday I could be Steph Curry.
It's not likely that happen.
He's the best that's ever done it.
But you know you can't look at LeBron at 69 to 6 the and say, Yeah, I'm gonna be LeBron James when I grow up because, you know, you did win the genetic lottery like LeBron did and then take advantage of it because he's also got the best brain in the sport.
But curry such a new, influential player, and I'd love to see them both, you know, staying Golden State and hopefully all get healthy and and and make another run at it and then lose to the Lakers in the conference finals.
Um, maybe next year.
Yeah, I was going to say, a short of some Captain America like serum.
I'm not gonna be LeBron James.
And at no point in my life did I ever have that potential to be LeBron James again.
It's just sometimes you have to accept your limitations and do what you know, do what's best, you know.
Well, what you can do.
And now that's a great point again.
I mean, no one's going to sit here and argue that LeBron isn't, you know, wasn't gifted with with great genetics.
I mean, sometimes you are, and sometimes you aren't.
It's just that's that's how it is, you know, my shoulder pops out.
You know, that's that's what I got.
That's that's my gift.
So, um, we do wanna You know what? We're going to shift the conversation here a little bit because I do want to talk about quarterbacks and and we try toe not, you know, to purposely do this, but they're always in the news.
And, of course, uh, this weekend, Aaron Rodgers picks up a big wind, has his 4/100 touchdown pass of his career.
And, you know, the Chiefs held on to win their game to, despite it being, ah, lot closer than many people expected.
Um, talk to you guys in the M V P race, No doubt.
Uh, I got Aaron Rodgers ahead.
I mean, not only does he, you know, is he quote unquote statistically better, and I mean, it's marginal, but he is better.
Um, I think he's clearly doing more with less, and this is the first time I'll ever agree with anyone who says, Well, Aaron Rodgers does more with less.
Usually it's in the context of comparing him to Tom Brady.
And then I asked, Well, what? It's more in this case, he is doing more with far less, and I wondered if you and I think you'll agree with me, John, I just fan, obviously your big Mahomes fan.
I wonder if this was gonna be conflicting for you, but I want to get your thoughts.
And where Where do you think the stands and where you go? No, not at all.
I mean, Rogers is Rogers is by far my favorite player in the league.
I love watching the homes play, and I'm on the market for the next guy, you know, because Rodgers, if he plays three or four more years, I need another quarterback to follow because I'm, you know, quarterback core I like.
That's why I watch football to watch the great quarterbacks play.
Rogers is clearly my favorite, uh, pro football player ever.
Um, and you know, I want to see him win a third m v p because that's something not many guys have done a Brady far and Manning and the only three quarterbacks that have won three MVPs and I'd like to see him, you know, join that group.
So and I do think he's had a slightly better year than my homes as you said, and he's doing it with less.
Or, um, Mahomes has incredible weapons.
He's in the fourth year of assistance from with arguably, actually inarguably the best play caller and plenty designers in the NFL.
And the read Rogers, in the second year in in his system with Matt LaFleur, has done a great job.
You could see the improvement there.
12 year to Rogers has had one bad game this year, and it was bad it was against Tampa Bay.
His passer rating was below 40 through two interceptions.
One was a pick six.
The second one should have been a pick six.
He was awful that day.
Other than that, he's been spectacular.
Is not that one game other than that one with a passer rating below 100? Whereas Mahomes has had three such games with a passer rating below 100 also, let's not forget, the Green Bay Packers have outscored the Kansas City Chiefs this year.
They both have played 12 games and the Packers have scored 10 more points, and I think that means something.
I'll give you this to Thio.
Further pump Aaron Rodgers stock up a little bit when it comes to yards after the catch.
Travis Kelsey is 3rd, 3rd in the league yards after catch between he and Tyree Kill.
The Chiefs nearly have 1000 yards between those two players, and it's the only team that has two players in that top 10.
Davante Adams is in there, but the next closest guy is your backup running back with about 100.
And he's way down the list.
So and and again this, you know, add in, uh, Clyde Edwards Hilaire.
He's not that far down the list.
So the Chiefs have about four players in the top 50 or so in yards after catch with two of them, two of them being in the top 10.
Um, again, we're not sitting here and saying, Oh, well, Home sucks.
No, of course he doesn't.
He's a really good player, but I think the perception of who he is is far greater than what he actually is.
And I think is playing out right before our eyes, because again you look at Aaron Rodgers and what he's doing again, Like you said, they're outscoring the Chiefs.
He has more touchdowns.
He has fewer passing yards, but again I'm not too concerned about, you know, passing yards, especially when you know some of these passing yards.
Chunks come from, you know, dropping a ball into Tyree pills hands and letting him run 40 yards down the field.
I'm not Yeah, it's It's It's a past, technically, but I'm not going to sit there and, you know, you know, go over the top saying, Oh, that was a great you know, It was a handoff.
It was glorified handoff.
So I think Go ahead.
But I will say I mean, Mahomes set those guys up pretty well, being as accurate as he is.
And he has this spells inaccurate, I think.
E think sometimes with him he gets a little bit.
He is Steph Curry.
He's the Steph Curry of the n f l E Oh, no.
I think they're so similar in that and that they they sometimes play loose.
I mean, let's not forget Steph Curry in Game seven of the 2016 Finals played very loose in the fourth quarter, and and Mahomes does that as well.
But he does set those guys up.
Look, Tom Brady used to get a lot of yards after catch, too.
I mean, I'm not I'm not.
I'm knocking him for that.
But again, um, you know, there, there's it's more about combating the the perception that I don't think is actually reality.
And we've seen more and more people start toe be like, Hey, look that the Chiefs don't outscore everyone.
I mean, you know what I mean.
There's there's this perception out there that we heard it so much last year that, you know, everywhere on the field is the red zone.
Well, yeah, I guess.
But I mean, at the same time, people are thinking that Mahomes is just chucking the ball 70 yards down the field when it's like, No, I mean a lot of his stuff and I've said it before.
I'm not discrediting someone for getting a touchdown from, you know, taking the ball and dropping into someone's hands.
But at the same time, he's thrown Mawr of those touchdown.
Since he's been in league than anyone in the league, he's consistently benefiting from ah, number of yards after catch, and we saw it this past weekend where it's like, I mean, we're not just talking about running slants and getting 56 yards after the catch we're talking about, you know, dump offs behind the behind the line or at the line or something like that Entire Richelle running around for 40 50 yards.
So you know I'm not knocking him for doing that, but when you're sitting here and saying, Oh, well, he's clearly I'm like No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait a minute.
And when you said Steph Curry, what I don't agree with and I was kind of I assumed you.
Maybe you're going with us that he is quote unquote changed the game.
I don't think he's changed the game.
I think he's just another really talented player.
That's the of many talented quarterbacks in this week.
I don't agree with the changing the game aspect.
No, no, no, not that.
But how fun they are, the watch and the fact that they do things that I mean.
Steph Curry is the greatest shooter I've ever seen.
And and look, I still think Rodgers arm talent is every bit as good, if not better than Patrick Mahomes.
I think he's a more accurate passer.
Uh, yeah, he I was gonna say real quick.
I don't necessarily believe that that Patrick Mahomes is this deadly accurate passer.
Actually, that's one of the big things that I feel like people just assume Oh, he's He's so accurate.
Oh, he has this, uh, we know a completion percentage is not accuracy.
I think we can all agree on that, that there's so much more accuracy than just raw completion percentage, but and yeah, exactly.
And look, I don't and I don't have a number to back this up.
I'm basing this off my eyes and what I see and may maybe they're a little jaded.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend like maybe I don't have a little bias here, but I've never seen.
And I told this to Mike the other day.
I've never seen so many wide open passes with no defenders around.
The players look so off target from one player in my life, and it's Patrick Mahomes, and it's look, it's it's like it's great because at the end of the day the past is completed.
Sometimes it turns into a touchdown.
Oftentimes it's it's ah, highlight reel catch.
But eventually, eventually this stuff is going to catch up to you because you can't just, you know, you have to be more accurate than that.
And I feel like this isn't just a O once a game thing, this is, you know, quite consistent from him.
And look again at the end of day.
It works because they got really good players around him.
But what happens when you don't have Tyree kill when you don't have Travis Kelsey? When you again? Like I said, when when Tyree kill has to do a 1 80 to turn around to come back to a ball, that was again with no defenders around him, that that's kind of to me that's concerning that tells me that not concerning.
But you know what I mean.
That tells me that, OK, maybe he's not as accurate as people saying.
And again, a lot of high percentage low, uh, risk plays prop up that passing completion in that idea, in that perception that he's like it's deadly accurate passer, and I don't think he is to your point.
I think Rodgers is far more accurate and farm or deadly accurate, like if we're gonna have, let's say, do I? Let's put it this way do I trust? Uh, well, maybe that's that's a bad way to put it.
If you're gonna ask me, who would I put more faith in in making? Ah, tight coverage.
Ah, high pressure situation.
Give me Aaron Rodgers 100 times out of 100.
Because I don't even think it's close.
Because again, I again I feel very strongly about that.
Maybe you can change my mind.
Uh, well, I'm not gonna change your mind because I'm a Rogers guy, but I just have to ask Mike that does even do this every day with Patrick Mahomes.
Yeah, pretty much.
I'm pretty much, uh Well, I'm you.
Are you Are you talking about Aaron Rodgers? Because Aaron Rodgers every day on disputed with skipping Shannon, which I love the show because it's entertaining.
But, you know, everything goes back to Aaron Rodgers some game that he lost nine years ago, and that's where it will go and claim that that test cross, I'll play them.
Even though the Packers I'm just talking about last week, I keep my stuff relevant.
My problem is, I feel like too many people are living in the past with Patrick bombs because everyone thinks it's 2018.
Everyone's like, Oh, he throws, He's no look passes.
Well, we'll show me a highlight.
Okay? Let me pull this game up from 2018.
What? Well, some of the passes he could but wait some of the passengers completed and closing out that game the other night.
We're pretty darn good.
I don't know many guys that could do what he did.
And I think those are the two guys.
Rogers and and they have the best arm talent in the league.
Without question, I mean, Josh Allen could probably throw a ball ****her than anybody and fast so that anybody buddy, may, you know, blind someone on the sideline.
Uh, he's not the most accurate guy.
Always getting better, but yeah, I mean, they're both outstanding.
Look, way I don't even wanna have the debate because I'm a Rogers guy. Absolutely.
I mean, that Pastor Davante Adams from his own goal line on Sunday.
That was like a thing of beauty.
It just just floated.
And the only place to put it is where he put it.
We're talking 52 yards downfield into double coverage.
He trusted his wide receiver.
No, he's I Look, you're making my case, uh, that this guy, I think, is the most skilled quarterback I've ever seen.
And that includes Patrick Mahomes.
I think Rodgers ever the doesn't mean he's the greatest quarterback ever, although we see now that Mike McCarthy is in Dallas, that he obviously carried that guy for a decade, right? I mean, we could make that case now.
He has some competency at head coach and offensive coordinator, and he's leading the league in points for the other thing about Rogers, and I'll go on my rent.
He's missed 20 games since he became the starting quarterback with the package.
You know what their record is in those 20 games.
It's pretty bad.
Is it like the Ty Lue? Uh, calves? It's not quite high.
Little without LeBron, but 6 13 and one in 20 games without Aaron Rodgers.
That's That's insane.
Um, and his greatest Tom Brady is, and I'm not going in this direction.
Brady's missed 20 games in his career.
The Patriots are 14 and six without him Now, of course, this year we see without Tom Brady, you know there's six and six and Belichick cooking up much of the cam with Cam Newton.
But But, you know, look at Drew Brees.
A guy who I hear on Twitter all the time is better than Aaron Rodgers the last few years, the Saints or eight? No, without Drew Brees, they just keep chugging along without him.
If Rodgers wasn't playing for the Packers this year, they beat the Detroit Lions.
Yeah, no, I let and again that goes into my feeling that I think it's very clear that he is the M V P right now and and look, I mean, earlier in the season, we were talking about Russell Wilson, but I've never seen a guy torpedo his chances as quick as right.
I mean, he's just consistently just drops.
Drop, drop, drop, drop, drop.
So, uh, but our time is up now.
Unfortunately, way should really Mike, you're so relieved now, aren't you? Well, he talked.
He got talking basketball.
When did Mike talk? He he asked the best question.
We talked basketball for about 2.
5 minutes, and then somehow you went into a diatribe about a diet.
Rob, what can I say? The word right you went into a soliloquy.
How's that sound? I'll make you sound shakes, period about Patrick Mahomes.
Well, here's the thing.
As crazy as I sound when you turn on the Sunday night broadcast and you see a play where immediately after the snap, there's about a 10 yard gap from sideline to sideline with a completely open field, and the one linebacker turned his back immediately.
And then you have to hear Cris Collinsworth say, I've never I mean, it's incredible how quickly Patrick Mahomes can decipher display.
I mean, what are you talking about? There's no one in the middle of the field.
How could you not see that one guy turn around and and Yeah, it was a great play.
But let's let's let's let's pump the brakes, that's all.
That's all I want, man.
I just I just want to pump the brakes on all this and unfortunately, we're gonna have to pump the brakes here on the show today.
So, John, thank you very much.
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You and I give Mike a break and let Mike, you know, do what he does best.
Breaking down like the Monday night games on Tuesday.
Something I don't like joining you guys.
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