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Welcome back to FBC Radio Live.
It's December the seventh.
It's 2000 and 20.
And, uh, Week 13 is just about in the books.
Of course you know who I am.
I mean, Glendon, if you listen to the show for the first time, you know that my co host is? Yes, he is.
Mr Rhode Island.
You may have seen a statue.
You may have not because, hey, if you blink, you drive right through Rhode Island and you would never know his name is Mike Debate Mike, What's going on, buddy? No, no, no, I'm doing well.
But I'm doing well on a Monday morning victory Monday up here in New England.
Not so much for some of the other teams in the NFL, but great Sunday Slate.
Ah, a lot of people you know we're concerned about, you know, Kobe concerns.
And there were a couple of positive test yesterday morning and whether some of these games would get moved around.
Uh, certainly was a great day of football and some upsets and, you know, some some effusive praise being thrown around between the hours of eight and 11 p.
But we'll, you know, we'll try to keep We'll try to keep, you know, the our our emotions to a minimum when it comes to that three greatest thing I did last night, Waas I mean, I'm in the process and, you know, I've mentioned it over the last several months.
I just I tear through all those Marvel movies.
So the best thing I did last night, I'm in the middle of watching, um, all the movies and chronological timeline order.
You know, I'm mixing up a little bit.
Anyways, best thing I did last night was put the game on my iPad mute the mic are mute the volume and watch the watch the movie, because again, just based on the reaction on Twitter, um, it was is exactly what I expected.
I did hear some stuff, some stuff, including including And since you brought it up, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump right into it.
Um, Cris Collinsworth obviously going way over the top, and his just, uh, love for Patrick Mahomes.
There was a play where Patrick Mahomes scrambled, and I'm paraphrasing here a little bit, but you'll get the idea.
Uh, Collinsworth was was just a taken aback by how, uh, quick in this e said it was quick how quick Mahomes decipher that.
The linebacker was turning around and there's open and they showed the clip and there's literally 15 yards from both sides of the field.
Just open in the middle of the field.
And he's talking about, Oh, how quick he decided the linebacker literally turned around immediately and put his back towards the quarterback.
So, like again, was it a great play? Absolutely, Again, positive yards.
You want that? That's that's not what we're saying.
But that's just again from professionals from guys that played the game, this over the top, just like Oh, God, it's just it's It's just it's sick.
I just I can't even listen to a game.
It's just it's too much for me because, you know, again, like I said last night, there's this narrative that, you know, we heard it so much last year to this was like one of those phrases we heard.
Every every part of the field is the red zone for the Chiefs.
Oh, yeah, is it is it really? Because I feel like it was a majority of the game that they were being held, the field goals and this whole idea that, you know, again, it's It's like thinking that Mahomes just throws the best deep ball.
One, No one throws more than he does down the field.
And that's no that Z exact opposite of what their offense actually is.
I don't know it.
It was funny to me.
But again, best thing I did last night was mute that game because I didn't listen to a majority of Cris Collinsworth.
Yeah, and you know what? My my little jab.
This wasn't necessarily so much a shot at Collinsworth.
I mean, it was It was.
It's effusive, folks.
It's really over the top, and I think everybody can understand that.
I think even Chiefs fans to be the first to admit Well, maybe not.
But I think even Chiefs fans would have to admit eventually.
Uh, yes, some of the some have.
Yeah, but but that some of this praise might be a little bit more effusive than it should be.
Look, bottom line, what? I was really referring to is more of the Twitter Roddy coming out of their their shanties last night to, um, compare what Patrick Mahomes does on the field to performance art and that to mean e mean start turning this into twitter sonnets and love letters.
Just, you know, something that looks like it should be in a Shakespeare tomb.
You know, let me read your tweet because I think you're playing right into it.
Maybe you're referencing this tweet because I'm not going to name names.
But I saw this last night.
This is not you know, Patrick Mahomes doesn't just play quarterback.
This is performance art.
His skill set is so ridiculously comprehensive and complete hashtag NFL.
I mean, Jesus f ing.
I'm not gonna finish that, But you know what I'm saying? Like, come on.
Like, are you serious? Are you serious? Because again, and I say it all the time.
I see a really good young quarterback who has a lot to learn how to play the game.
I mean, we see it every single week, all of these players, or why, and I'm not knocking them for hitting wide open receivers because we've heard that about Tom Brady for years.
Always just those the wide open receivers.
Well, that's part of the decision making.
Um, but when I consistently see these deep passes being completed, where it's like, I mean, you you literally just hooking up the ball and Tyreek Hill doesn't have ah, a defender within 10 yards of him and he has to turn around and come back to catch the ball.
I mean, these aren't, like, pinpoint accurate passes.
And in tight coverage, like beating, beating even one on one coverage.
These air, I mean, in some cases, yes, they do happen.
I'm not saying he's incapable of doing it, but it's the idea that it happens all the time.
That inflates this, um, perception of who he is.
Because, look, I mean, can someone make a good argument as to why he's better than Aaron Rodgers right now? I mean, honestly, no, I can't.
And I would be if I were.
If I were voting for M V.
P today, my vote would goto Aaron Rodgers and I don't And I think people a lot of people are probably looking at this and saying, Well, how could you Oh, you're just hating on Patrick.
Take a look at the supporting cast that these two teams have.
I understand, folks that that Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers has Davante Adams.
Look at the supporting cast, the Patrick Mahomes at this, and you tell me who's doing Mawr with less on, Really, I think at an even enough clip to give the edge to Aaron Rodgers in this situation.
To me, he's in the M V P.
Green Bay was not supposed to be the team.
Kansas City was the defending champions.
They're supposed to be where they are.
So, in my opinion, that has to count for something valuable.
Doesn't just mean aesthetically pleasing.
Valuable doesn't just mean media, darling valuable means.
How valuable are you to your team? Success? Would this team be where it is? If it wasn't for the way you play? I think Aaron Rodgers holds the edge in that, and I stay at right now and I know we're gonna make sap happy tomorrow when we bring him in here.
But at the same time, I look at it and I say, Yeah, this is exactly what Yeah, to the the battle between these two ah players.
I just think Rodgers is doing more with less.
And I think right now I think it's in my opinion anyway.
It's I'm not saying it's an easy choice because I think Patrick is being overblown or anything like that.
He's having a great season.
Nobody is downing or belittling what Patrick Mahomes brings to the table.
But if you're asking me with my M V P vote is right now, it's Aaron Rodgers, and I don't hesitate much to do that well.
And look, I've said it many times before in the past that people are, they're fixated.
They're stuck in 2018 when it comes to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
And by that I mean, they assume everything that happened in that season, which I'm not going to say.
It was an outlier, but we've had thes season's collectively in the NFL that just blow offensive numbers away and in 2018 was one of those were offensive numbers were highly inflated.
Uh, we've seen this before in the past, especially now in this new era of football, where ah lot of younger quarterbacks get started earlier because of just how the game is played and relative to what the college game is.
It's very similar now, especially with the rules and everything like that.
So a lot of younger quarterbacks get in to play and have more success early one, because it's less of a learning curve for them and to we see this in the NFL all the time.
When you don't have film on a player, it takes some time, especially if they're good, especially if they're really good.
It takes some time to to catch up.
So what we saw in 2018 was a phenomenal season by Patrick Mahomes.
He has certainly a skill set that rivals a baseball player because it's side note.
It's funny that how many NFL announcers and play call, uh, play by play.
Callers have never watched a unending of baseball because they swear they've never seen this type of throwing angle before.
And I'm like, Look, he's a baseball player.
That's why he does it.
That's why Kyler Murray does it so on and so forth.
Anyways, you know they're stuck in 2018 because this team again, it's really good.
Don't get me wrong, it's it's really good.
But Patrick, I think, again benefited from the team around him.
Let's just go back to the previous few years with Alex Smith, who had career years.
And we've seen this success.
Andy Reid has had, uh, there was no film on him, so it took a while for teams to catch up.
Um, it's not a coincidence that Bill Belichick, in a way, I know they put a points there at the end of the game.
But you know, there's a reason why there's a pattern there when they play Patriots.
Teams like really good coaches, know how to neutralize this offense or at least slow it down to some extent.
And, yeah, I don't know I again.
I think so many people are stuck in 2018 with no look passes and this that and the other.
And and like I said, all those highlights come from 2018, and there's not again.
It's not like it does.
It happens every week.
But if you talk to some of these people, that z part of his, uh, weekly repertoire so well and that's the whole thing, too.
I think everybody wants to hop along the next big train.
They wanna be on them homes Train.
They wanna be on the Chiefs train because it's the one that's going to be sustainable for quite a while.
And it's the next big thing and and that's essentially what we're seeing.
You're seeing it with fans, and I don't really have a problem with that.
I understand fans hopping on the bandwagon, especially Chiefs fans.
You know, Patriots fans beat the the bandwagon drum here For 20 years there, I have no problem with Chiefs fans getting up for their team, enjoying their team, wanting to go to bat for their quarterback.
That's all part of being fandom.
When you see the effusive praise coming from supposedly objective journalists that are really, I think, required to put things in perspective, that's when it becomes a little bit nauseated to me.
And I think you saw that last night.
Our good friend match Adam, who's you know, we know very well he's been a guest on locked on Patriots a couple of times, you and I know that very well.
Um, really, I thought had a brilliant tweet last night and saying that all the sonnets I'm seeing dedicated to Patrick Mahomes and the Chief Chiefs offense are a little bit misleading.
I'm looking at a team that's right now only beating the Denver Broncos with 19 points.
Am I missing something? And right away you want to talk about the king of effusive praise the king of over the top fawning, um, Trey Wingo, Excuse my language, but, uh, he comes back and goes, Do this is a bad take.
Well, no, I don't think it's a bad take.
I think that was absolutely spot on.
I think he's trying to wrangle in a lot of what we're seeing and pushing a narrative that maybe that may or may not be disturbed.
So, you know, that's where it comes from, folks, that's what you know.
Ian and I, you know, have an issue with We sound like too grumpy.
Old men were kind of like those you know, those those angry old puppets from the Muppets sometimes, but at the same time, you know, I think there's if you're gonna give that type of praise, give it to guys like Aaron Rodgers as well who deserves it this year.
At times, Russell Wilson has deserved that type of praise.
Not necessarily know finds he's looked very, very good this year.
So you know, just, you know, keep things in perspective and try Thio.
You know, just try to even it out.
You know, that's that's all we're saying.
I guess in a lot of ways I had planned on opening the show doing something else, and I'm gonna do that here in a minute.
But this obviously got us off, started talking about this and of course I'm sure we'll bring it up again.
But it is December 7th, and we're both like to consider ourselves history types.
You know, we enjoy learning and obviously trying.
Thio, Yeah, again, Just explore everything there is to explore about history, whether it's actual world history or the history of Seinfeld or history or whatever.
You know, we're way tend to kind of gravitate towards stuff like this.
But in this case, it's a very serious thing because it is Thea believe the 79th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor Attack, December 7th, 1941.
You know the thing about this is and again I feel like it, doesn't you know and again, as time passes thes type of anniversaries become less and less I guess, anticipated.
I mean, think about it.
I mean, it's even happened with September 11th, where, you know, you and I remember very vividly, probably those first, like 10 years.
Every year is like, you know, a week ahead of time is like This is the anniversary that the anniversary's coming up.
The 10 year anniversary is coming up.
This, that and the other.
Over time these things fade.
It's it's not a, you know, a disrespect thing.
It's just kind of how this happens.
But of course, this is an important moment in obviously not only us history but world history.
It was what officially brought them into the war.
I think we could sit here and understand that they were financing a lot of the Allies.
Um, you know, they were a part of the war, but not a part of it if you e no, you know what I'm saying? I hope everyone understands.
There's a lot of common misconceptions that that was that the United States would just simply, you know, very, um, you know, happy and complacent to just be out of the war, not be involved in it, minding our own business.
And then all of a sudden, you know, we we get, we get attacked and I'm definitely there is no excuse for what the Empire of Japan did to this country in 1941.
Uh, it's not something that needs to be, you know, forced on anyone today or anything of that nature.
So I'm not making a political statement here, but a sneak attack of any country in any walk of life in any form of history, there's just no excuse for it.
Um, but there were cir***stances leading up to that.
There was an oil embargo on the from the United States on Japan's, which precipitated that type of action Japan feeling that they would never be able to negotiate or have a working relationship with the United States feeling like their best opportunity was to back the Axis Powers and Thio, you know, toe force them into a situation where they may be vulnerable, and, uh, and they went after their, uh, their naval fleet.
So in a lot of ways, yeah, there's there were cir***stances leading up to that.
It wasn't necessarily just a complete and utter das****ly cowardly sneak attack.
Anybody that's read the history behind it knows that the Japanese, especially the Japanese Japanese navy, the abnormals that were involved were very conflicted about this.
And, you know, I believe it was.
I believe it was Generally I believe it was Admiral Yamamoto.
That said, All I fear that we did is waking a sleeping giant.
And that's exactly what happened.
The United States entered the war.
I was tough going for a little while and then all of a sudden, pull through it.
Um, Pearl Harbor, the movie is is actually out here.
I know a lot of people Don't, you know, care for Michael Bay and his his storytelling.
And there is a lot of ho keenness to it.
There is some factual inaccuracies, but if you watch the battle scenes in that movie, they are very well done.
They are very well choreographed.
And, um uh I think very realistic in terms of what people may have seen.
I know my grandfather had a chance to see it.
He was not in the Pearl Harbor battle, but he was during World War 21 of his first stations was in the aftermath at Pearl, and he recalls seeing a lot of the wreckage and hearing about a lot of what happened.
And when he saw that movie, said the battle scenes did bring true out of being pretty act here.
It's what guys were telling him about.
So it's important that we remember, obviously remember all the lives of those lost on the USS Arizona and all throughout the harbor just such a devastating day in this country.
But it brought about a awakening of a generation that my opinion still has yet to be equal in this country.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you again.
That's why I brought this up.
Because I know you could you could hit us with the facts is again.
This is something we didn't really mention before on air.
You mentioned it was a cough, but I appreciate it.
Uh, you had mentioned that this, uh, it's it's true.
You got to get a better look through my other window.
Um, this did awaken a sleeping giant, and in this again also ultimately became one of the several missteps that you know Nazi Germany took and Hitler took when they decided to declare war in the United States.
And again, if you know the history of of you know, this whole era and at least you you feel like you're studied it a little bit.
You know, that Hitler knew that it was a bad idea to declare war in the United States.
He didn't want anything to do, supposedly with the United States.
That remains to be seen had, you know, the rest of his invasion of Europe and successful, perhaps that you know his mind change just as it did before.
It was like, Oh, no, no, we just We just want what, Zod to Germany.
But no, no. Now we want this.
But now we want this.
That was kind of the pattern.
That's that's how Germany did it.
That's how he did it.
But, um, that was one of ah ah, few very key missteps.
Uh, towards that time during the war, that really ultimately led to the Axis powers defeat, the other of which was deciding to say, Hey, we're going to split our armies, put him on two fronts, one of which is a front that is up against Russia, and it's almost winter time and they're under prepared.
So there you go.
Uh, what other show can you get? Sports in history lessons all in one in the first half hour of the show.
I don't think there's anybody else out there that does what we do.
We do it the way Onley we could do it.
That's right. That's right.
No, again, we obviously this is stuff that, you know, I find fascinating just from a, you know, wanting to learn point of view.
It's been like this for a while.
I wish I would have taken my high school years a little bit more seriously, but then again, it doesn't.
I guess it doesn't really matter too much at this point, but I always enjoyed learning about time, periods, history.
Certainly that period of time is is fascinating to a lot of people.
Um, and and again, I mean, the more you get into it, the more you hear about all these little details.
But at the end of the day, where we're obviously remembering, what I'm sure is going to be a pretty big anniversary next year when it hits 80 years.
So, uh, absolutely Yeah, I had a conflict of time right now.
It wasn't quite sure where I was.
So, um, yeah, it'll be 80 years next year for and also, it'll be 20 for September 11th.
You mentioned that earlier as well.
So yeah, some some big milestones coming for, uh, very, uh, infamous days in this country's history.
And, um, you know, never never forget sacrifice born by so many on days like that.
So shifting topics and very, uh, you know, 1 80 degree turn.
Um, who's the better lamb, Kendall Lamb or CD? Lamb? Because Kendall Lamb, offensive tackle for the Cleveland Browns and my voice just crack there.
And that kind of shows you how excited I am on.
I always get excited when the offensive tackle catches a touchdown, unless unless it's Dad Copan as a member of the Indianapolis Colts.
But see the lamb, obviously the wide receiver for the Cowboys.
Kendall Lamb, offensive tackle for the Browns, catches a touch down past yesterday from Baker, Mayfield and what was turning out to be a blowout.
I do believe the Titans scored a lot of points there late, but ultimately the Browns knocked off the Titans and that was That was pretty fun.
Yeah, definitely was unexpected on my part.
I mean, I I think we both had the Titans in this game thinking, you know, they were wrong.
Yeah, yeah, there definitely were.
But when you look at what what the Cleveland Browns were able to do impressive on both sides of the ball, Look, this team is for really you know, they keep defying odds and a lot of ways.
I think, you know, diehard Cleveland fans thought this team was capable of this all along on I I salute them for that, and I take my hat off to them for that because they saw what this team had its nucleus.
It just points the last year about how you know how poor their leadership was at the helm and how adequate and good coaching even adequate.
But good coaching that they're getting this year from Kevin Stefanski and his staff has been excellent, and it's been everything that the Cleveland Browns have needed to turn this around.
It's hard to believe they're doing this without O b j, but at the same time, you know, they're they're looking very, very good right now, and they're looking formidable.
And they took on the Titans team that was starting to play its best football.
I thought recently, and you know, that's it's just one of those things for Tennessee.
It didn't come out on the on the right end.
They did score some points late, but by then that that game was well out of reach.
Credit Cleveland Yesterday they had a very impressive win looking out there 93.
Now, you know, and and I don't think they're being talked about enough.
Obviously, they're not leading their division because of Steelers.
Uh, Kansas City rightfully gets a lot of attention because they're defending Super Bowl champions.
And really, I think people feel that until the Browns actually do something of note.
And I'm not saying this isn't but I mean, like, you know, win a playoff game.
This team isn't really gonna be taken seriously, because until they do, it's it's gonna be kind of, well, it's there's still the Browns.
Let's let's wait and see before we start, you know, jumping on this bandwagon.
So but you know what? To be honest, that's great for the Browns.
because they're not dealing like they were last year with ease.
Where Baker is gonna win M v p and and the Browns are going to go to the Super Bowl like e mean it was.
It was foolish then.
It's foolish now, and I think you know it's it's better for this team.
Thio not have that as a distraction because as Patriots fans, we sit here and say, Oh, yeah, you know, patrons get this all the time, but they've won.
They know they know how Thio put that stuff, you know, kind of in the back of their minds.
They don't think about that.
So does it bother them? The Browns haven't won again.
E waken beat this horse thio death.
But, I mean, they just haven't won in forever.
So you know, again, you gotta build that confidence with the with the coverage from from the media and fans and I don't think it's quite there yet, But that's a good thing, because now the expectations based on last season, especially aren't there anymore.
So there, quietly, quietly, a nine and three team and pretty darn good.
Yeah, I would say, Yeah, well, yeah, definitely on offense.
And, you know, I think you absolutely nailed it right there.
You know, they're still earning that trust from the media to be able to cover and to be able T o, you know, officially say that, Yes, this team is in, you know, the hunt.
This team is capable of doing big things, and I think they're getting They're I think they're very quickly and rapidly getting there, but they're still ascending to that level once they dio I think this team is for real.
I think they're there to stay.
And I think it's gonna be, you know, interesting to see what they can do in the playoffs.
And right now we're sitting here talking about the Cleveland Browns in a playoff hunt.
I think that's something that any Cleveland fan would take right about now.
But you know who else is? Emerged back into the playoff Just when you thought they were out and they pull you back in 45.
Drubbing of the Los Angeles superchargers yesterday.
That is the New England Patriots, dominant in all three phases.
Right? Gets it back.
Okay, They're back in the Yeah, well, that was that was a remix that was a remix.
I didn't get to the lyrical part of the song, but I feel funny that it's not ready.
And I got a fine tune, a few things, like replacing my voice with someone who can actually sing.
Yeah, that that was something that we've seen, I think brewing for some time and I tweeted last night And this is more of a reference, or at least a comment towards the ridiculous narrative out there that Bill, the GM and folks who are follow the New England Patriots Know what I'm saying, Bill? The GM is a terrible drafter, and you know, they focus on obviously the missus, and there are some, just like any coach has.
But you know who my thio sit there and point that out to them.
But it's funny to me how often a drafted or undrafted player makes the play, let alone how many drafted players make up the core of this team that just won three Super Bowls in the last six years.
Um, it's funny to me how often they make plays, and we saw it yesterday.
I mean, Chase, one of it with the interception. J. C.
A guy who gets interception literally every game.
It feels like an undrafted rookie.
Undrafted rookie free agent J.
C. Jackson. Absolutely.
You look at Damien Harrison the job that he's done on this team, I mean, literally running through a stud, right? I mean, I'm sorry to cut you off, but the fact that you, Damian Harris, I mean, he's got incredible vision.
I mean, I've seen him make it look so easy just bouncing around, finding the right place very often.
And we saw this.
And we all know that.
Remember the Laurence Maroney years? How often would you see him with a wide open hole? Because there was a really good offensive line back then.
You know, the bat light years with that, That whole crew.
How often do you see Laurence Maroney run? Right into the one place where you didn't want to see him run and blow? Ah, wide open opportunity.
We're seeing the exact opposite from Damian Harris.
So I'm glad you brought him.
He's been fantastic.
So he has been He has been tremendous, without any question and again field vision, knowing where to go at any given time knowing.
And I always thought this was the problem with Lawrence.
I always thought, Lawrence, there's a certain cadence toe how you have to hit the whole as a running back, as opposed Thio.
You know, looking at how the offensive line is opening up scenes for you to run, it's not necessarily on the beat.
It's almost like the difference between a dancer and a drummer.
Dancers and drummers count on different beats and they'll hit on different beats.
That's exactly what you have to do.
Is a running back know that? Not necessarily.
The beat that's in front of you with the offensive line is where to go.
It's a little bit different when it comes to how you run through that hole, as opposed to how it's opened up by the offensive line.
So Damian Harris has been phenomenal in this.
I want to give a little credit and Akil Harry yesterday coming up.
That was the reason why he was brought to New England folks.
I get more hate mail about Nick Eel Harry than any other player on this roster doing locked on Patriots, and I was so glad to see him get that touchdown yesterday.
That's what he was brought here for.
Trying to be a red zone threat, going up, snagging a very difficult a bullet that was really thrown by by Cam Newton that had a lot of zip on it.
McKeel went up, got it, snagged it, came down with it, protected it and got the touchdown.
So I know Patriots fans are still going to sit out there and they're still going to say, Oh, yeah, but what's he done? He hasn't done any.
Oh, come on, that's one play.
Well, yeah, it is one play.
One play can build an awful lot.
Take a long shot view of this.
Folks don't go for the immediate gratification.
Uh, that's one gripe that I do have with Patriots Nation.
A lot of times is there so consumed with immediate satisfaction, immediate gratification from this team that they lose sight of the big picture.
That's what Bill Belichick is doing, and he's building something special.
These young players air really rounding into uh into form.
You saw Joshua J.
Yesterday be a monster in the middle of that defense again, you mentioned J.
C Jackson gonna Rashkovsky had himself a day.
I used that mean surprised.
I'm surprised it took you this long to mention his name. I was waiting.
I should have timed it, actually, because I was like, You know what? I made that man a gunner.
You know what? I saved the best for last because that was his day.
Three punts for 145 yards, folks.
Beyond just me liking Thio Link that, you know mean Thio, you know, toe Spaceballs and what not I am a fan of this kid.
I like the way he plays the game.
He runs with a toughness.
He's got a very cavalier type attitude.
When it comes to what his job is, he'll go out and do it and not even think twice about it.
I was impressed on the conference call last night sitting in and hearing what he had to say, and he said the first thing he thought of when he scored the touchdown is I gotta drop the ball.
I gotta go back.
I gotta I gotta defend a kick. I gotta return.
I gotta get a coverage on a kick.
That's just how he thinks that's who he is.
He's not going to get, uh, you know, he's not gonna get caught up in the hoopla.
He's going to do his job.
And that's consistently with the New England Patriots Dio.
Justin Herbert is having a very good season, folks.
He's one of the better rookies out there, one of the better rookie quarterbacks I've seen in quite some time.
Bill Belichick did it again.
He made him look pedestrian because he'll confuse.
I'll give you those unorthodox looks and it creates confusion at the line of scrimmage.
We saw him do it with Kyler Murray last week.
We saw him do it with Justin Herbert yesterday.
This is what Bill Belichick does, and he does it well.
And that's why the New England Patriots were far and above.
And of course, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that.
Charges did not hand them a lot as well.
I mean, you have to be honest in your assessment.
Uh, you know, too many men on the field.
We need the superchargers days.
You had thunderbolts and lightning were not a plenty unless they were on the New England Patriots.
side of the ball yesterday, but, yeah, chargers just did not look good.
And, uh, as much as I hate to say it, because I remember covering the press conference the day he was hired and the day he was introduced, I think the days of Anthony Lynn are going to be numbered in in in Los Angeles.
I just after a performance like that where you're dominated on offense, defense, special teams, you know, you're just Yeah, he did.
He ran into Bill Belichick and the Patriots coaching staff, but there's still there's no excuse for a lot of what you saw in the field yesterday of your job.
I understand we'll go in real quick going back Thio Gunner, because you know, we remember the you know, the what you would call evolution the from From Wes Welker Thio, Julian Edelman.
We all remember Danny Amendola.
It was supposed to be the guy who replaced Wes Welker, uh, as it turns out, and ended up being Julian Julian Edelman.
But early on in his career, he it took a while for him to really find his way.
He made some plays, he played some special teams.
Obviously, we saw him on defense and it took a little while before.
And even after his first good season, you remember the Patriots? Let him go to free agency.
They weren't necessarily.
I don't want to say they weren't sold on him.
I think they were.
But they certainly wanted to get him at the right price.
They weren't gonna over pay, so they let him go Free agency.
Uh, not a team decided to take a chance, and and again, the Patriots scooped, swooped in.
And then again, that was kind of, you know that.
Can you do it? I'm not saying Gunnar's gonna be Julian Edelman.
I think Julian Edelman turned into be one hell of a receiver.
But, you know, going back to people wanting instant gratification.
I mean, people are ready to toss them to the curb two weeks ago, and I'm not saying that, like, there wasn't some frustration and how he was playing. Sure.
I mean, he made mistakes, but again, go back toe Julian Edelman.
He made some mistakes.
There was a reason why he wasn't, you know, on the field a second he'd made this team and making place because, well, you know, Sometimes it takes a little while.
Look at Damian Harris.
He essentially red shirted last year and everyone this happened with James White.
You know, you had the pairing of shame Marine and Stevan Ridley and James White just didn't play and no one thought about him.
And then all of a sudden he started playing games and making plays.
You like? Well, wait a minute, James.
Whites pretty good.
And it's like, Well, the Patriots have a pattern of doing this and there are all these homegrown players.
It comes back to the to the first point.
And, uh, you know, Gunnar again, This could be that game that really gives him that confidence because we know a lot of that position.
A lot of this game in many of these positions is about confidence.
Look at Carson Wentz over in Philadelphia.
Uh, I mean, his confidence is absolutely shot.
And if if if he has any hope, in my opinion of sal***ing his career, he has to go somewhere else and just kind of get a fresh start, But, um, not to get off topic, but another guy for the Patriots that that made place yesterday and it was making immediate impact.
Kyle Duggar, Kyle Burger.
You know, a Division two people.
You know, people in this market decided to criticize Bill Belichick for drafting this quote unquote no name guy out of Division two.
Well, guess what he looks like he belongs in the NFL and very, you know, again, he makes an impact out on the field.
And all of a sudden, this Patriots team has just a What I feel like is a very promising young, especially defensive corps.
Oh, without question, and Dugger is such a huge part of that you want to talk about being a tight end eraser or the type of safety that's able to play up in the block and cover tight ends.
Hunter Henry is one of the best in the league, which, by the way, you would look really good.
He would look pretty good in the Patriots uniforms.
Bill Belichick spent a little time postgame lingering with him.
I wonder what was being said.
But in any case, folks, you know e brought brought Adrian Phillips, and if he could bring Hunter Henry and I, I might lose it, man, I might just let you know that might be a little too much for me to handle.
But not all kidding aside, Henry is very good at what he does.
He runs his routes.
He's able to get open. He could be a receiver.
He's very effective as a blocker.
One of the big reasons why he was almost an invisible man last night is because of the coverage you see from guys like Kyle Duggar, who is able to come up in the block, play very similar to what a Patrick Chung played last year.
And Dugger is doing it, you know, with a fraction of the experience.
And let's face it, Kyle also has not had the luxury of sitting behind a guy like Patrick Chung like he was supposed to do this year.
He was supposed to learn from one of the best in the business of being ableto, you know, honing your craft.
Kyle didn't have that learning curve.
For him to come in and understand and get the game right away has been phenomenal Division to Eleanor Ryan.
I hear that all the time.
Oh, he was doing it against half, you know, half his competition, and he'll never be able to sustain it in the NFL.
Now, folks, there was a reason why Bill Belichick honed in on this kid one of the smartest, most instinctual rookies I've seen on the Patriots roster and quite some time.
And that's saying a lot, considering what they've been able to dio another guy I want to get a lot of credit to yesterday.
Uh, really? I think that an amazing job of keeping Joey Bosa off balance, making key blocks when he needed to.
It allowed Cam Newton to be able to throw in those misdirection concepts on the first drive of the game.
Elaine who kind of chips.
Joey Bosa throws him off his rhythm a little bit.
It allows Cam the opportunity to try to hand the ball off to Damian Harris, but then he decides to keep it himself, and he takes off for a 14 yard jet sweep.
Brilliant, brilliant game calling yesterday by Josh McDaniels.
Great execution, um, fawning all over the New England Patriots.
But I've been waiting all season to see this team come together all three phases.
They did it yesterday, complete effort, and that's why they were they were So, um, you know, prolific yesterday and shutting out a team that was a little better in terms of talent and the way they showed on the field yesterday.
Um, I'm hearing a lot about that, and I'm sure we'll hear it today. 2 to 6.
Yeah, but the chargers suck.
Yeah, but they suck.
They blow the Arab all.
You know, that's what That's what we're gonna hear.
You know, that's that's exactly what you're gonna hear.
But I'm here to tell you folks the charges on Horrible they weren't well coaches today.
But the Patriots made them look that exactly.
And and look, another player that I heard more than Joey Bosa.
And I joke because it's like, you know, Joey, that I'm like, you know, when a camp struggles is holding onto the ball too long.
And that's not something you want to do against a guy like Joey Bosa.
So ah, guy that I heard his name called a lot more than Joey Bosa last night.
Josh UK, Guess what? Another traffic from the New England Patriots and all of a sudden, like again, we started, uh, this, I guess segment off talking about how comical or this Show off how comical it is.
Some of the narrative out there about how Belichick can't draft and they sit there and they'll point to, like, you know, again the you know, the ones that he missed on it again.
You know, trust me, we get you wanna go through the Jets, Mrs.
I mean, come on, let's Z we'll get to them and just e guess relative to what you want.
I mean, if you're a Jets fan, you're probably pretty happy.
Especially, um, at the time you're looking at Jacksonville possibly, uh, winning as well.
So that would have surely.
I mean, they both ended up losing, which again, is kind of what they both do well, but, uh, anyways, it's just funny the narrative that Bill can't draft.
And yet, each and every week we see these players just make plays and you know, they're right in the thick of things.
I said it in our we have a group chat.
I said it thio not only you, but also our dolphins editor that Hey, we're 40 Niners fans tonight.
We want to see them beat beat the bills because you know what? That the Patriots have the chance.
And if your team coming into play, do you really wanna? And usually we do this the other way because the Patriots are always looked at as a again a team that went to the A F C championship every game.
So you would always look at some of these other teams have, like, Do you want to play the Ravens right now? And and some years you're like, you know, really not.
Because despite the record, they're playing really good football.
Well, guess what? The Patriots or what? Foreign one.
In their last five games, Uh, they had their jets.
Uh, they can win against the Jets.
They had the bills in the Dolphins three of their last four games.
They could get themselves into the mix.
Uh, that it could really help with a Bills lost tonight by the 40 Niners.
Yeah, without question.
I mean, you know, definitely where there, you know, the legion of Patriots fans right now out there in this contingent is definitely, you know, 49 fans, you know, I mean, you know, you look at it and it's there's a 21% chance according to, I believe, according to pro football focus, that the New England Patriots can make the playoffs right now.
Um, you know, I I understand how the the odds are calculated.
I'm not gonna argue with the numbers because the numbers don't lie.
But you look at how they've played the last couple of weeks, and I'm still seeing a lot of cam detractors.
There's there's a lot of them out there on Patriots Nation, Um, pointing to the fact the only passed for 69 yards.
It's not quote unquote sustainable.
I hear the word sustainable one more time.
I may drive my head for plate glass, folks.
What's sustainable is finding an offensive rhythm that works.
What I saw yesterday was Cam Newton managing the game very well, commanding the middle of the field when he needed to take off on runs.
He commands the running game very well.
That's what this offense is predicated on.
You have to get the image of Tom Brady dropping back, being able to pass at the drop of a hat out of your head.
It's simply not there anymore, folks.
It's just not and it's not coming back.
So you have to understand that this team is gonna be predicated differently.
They're gonna run similar plays They did yesterday.
They have run similar plays.
They haven't completely eliminated Tom Brady from the memory, the collective memory of Patriots Nation.
But it's a different offense.
It's a different look right now.
You're not going to see those gaudy 354 100 yard passing games hit the statistic machine because Cam is gonna extend plays with his legs.
He's going to hand the ball off.
They're going to run the ball and run on offense more efficiently and more effectively when he's not intricately involved in over, you know, in using his arm Thio to get those, uh, those games.
A lot of people looked at yesterday and said, Well, well, Cam didn't have to.
I got news for you.
The Chargers tried to force Cam into obvious passing situations.
He did a very good job as the Judge McDaniels of establishing early in the first drive.
That's not gonna work.
I'm not gonna hold the ball like I like I did the last few games.
I'm not gonna hold on to it and take the sack.
If I see an opportunity, I'm gonna take the fall and I'm just gonna take off and I'm gonna gun it.
I'm gonna run it.
I'm gonna try to use this direction.
I'm gonna utilize, You know Damian Harris as my work course.
That's what this team is doing right now.
That's why they're winning.
And that's why they're playing well.
So for everybody that wanted to, you know, bury this team.
Um, you know, they're not.
They're not quite dead yet.
Reports of their demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Who knows what can happen? They're gonna need some help.
But stranger things have happened.
Also a lot of help, too.
I mean, that's the thing.
They have some key matchups with some some teams that are ahead of them and you win those games.
All of a sudden, you're your prospects are looking pretty pretty good.
I mean, if they go 40 in the last four games, your 10 and six, that's a that's a all of a sudden, you're like, wow, okay.
You know, of course they made the playoffs.
I mean, yeah, of course.
So we'll see how that goes.
Obviously, they'll be watching the Ravens will be watching the Raiders and, uh, those other teams around them as well.
The Colts on? Of course, the Titans.
Aaron, that mixes well.
So, um, the Jets, earlier when you were talking before we started bringing up the Jets, I have NFL network on my screen and they were talking about him.
And then they went to an image of Michael Dukakis in a tank, and, uh, it took me a second.
Um, but then I realized what they were probably talking about, and that was, Well, you know, the tank seems like it's full on it.
Like, Look, I I will.
I will sit here and believe wholeheartedly that no player on that field wants to lose.
But when you call essentially essentially just a give up play on defense and give up that huge pass from Derek Carr to Henry rugs, I've called that play before.
That's when I was playing my younger cousin of Mad, and I wanted to give him a score to make him feel better.
That's what you call you.
Call a blitz when you know it's a pass and you just leave one guy out there essentially what they did against their best receiver.
And you know what? It was a touchdown, and it wasn't even close.
It was a simple throwing catch, and, uh, it was comical.
It was a little sad because you're sitting there thinking, Wow, are the Jets going to do the Patriots a favor? You know, because obviously, in that case, you want the Jets the win, because, you know, you want that you want the Raiders to lose.
It helps the Patriots. But of course, they weren't.
I I learned long ago not to trust the Jets.
You know, Think back to 2000 and eight.
Think back to 2000 and 22 opportunities that the Jets or the Patriots either the Jets to do something on.
They didn't like I I don't even know what to make of this.
Uh, they brought up a stat saying this this type of situation has has occurred 253 times this season, where you know a team.
You know, it just has, like, one plato Hockett down the field. Whatever.
And only once was this type of defense called.
And what do you know? It was the worst.
Best call in Jets franchise history because again Jets lose this game.
They're still on track for that number one pick.
So, I mean, in a way, it was good for the Jets.
Um, but, wow, what were your thoughts on that play? Because I watched it.
And I'm just sitting there like I just I just don't know.
What's that saying? What's worse? Saying what we're might What were my thoughts on that? Yeah, Your job away from the first fumble snapped with last bungle play.
That's exactly what happened yesterday, folks.
I mean, you know, you I agree with you.
I don't think anybody is out there trying to lose.
I don't think anybody is out there, you know, like, why don't you lose? But yeah, I don't get the players, so I shouldn't say I don't think anybody is out there wanting to lose, But they might be under a decree to say, You know what? This is how it's gonna go.
I mean, how you feeling if you're Sam Donald sitting out there and and being out there knowing that this team is probably throwing aside as many opportunities even in the Patriots win I mean, come on, let's face it, guys.
I mean, they had, you know, even that was suspect.
I walked away from that game saying, God, I'm so glad that the Patriots beat the Jets.
I ate losing to the Jets, but I'm sitting there thinking about it and saying this probably an argument stating that we maybe we should probably should have lost that game Any other team and they probably would have lost that game.
It makes you wonder.
You know what's going on and it's a way still has a job, but even adds to that, because at least if they fire him, you consistent and say Okay, but I feel like this is like a look.
You can lose your job safe. It doesn't matter.
You know what I mean? We've seen other coaches who deserve to be fired get fired this season.
Adam Gates is one of them.
And the fact that he's still ah, coach of this team is just beyond May.
I mean, well, the fact that he does have a job you that tells me one of two things. Either one.
He is the golden child of the Jets front office, which, if that's the case, then good luck to Trevor Lawrence.
You know, into that mess or he's just playing out the string.
And then he knows this and they're keeping him in there because it's an easy way for a coach that's on his way out to kind of just, you know, right out the storm.
And I think that maybe that I think the latter is really more true than the former.
But, uh, yeah, I mean, the Jets were gonna jet. They jetted yesterday.
And, uh, you know, at this point, you have to wonder if if they own 16 is really possibility and really, actually gonna happen here.
Um, but yeah, just speechless.
I said my piece.
But at the end of the think about in a nutshell is I saw somebody put this tweet out there.
Maybe maybe the Jets played, you know, Jedi mind games with Bill Belichick and through the game, knowing that by winning they would help the Patriots with the Raiders.
And, you know, I actually looked at that, and I'm like, You know what? That's actually pretty funny.
Actually, it's pretty funny.
It was a Jets fan, tweeted it.
It was like, you know, it was I wanted to like it, but at the same time, I don't wanna like it. But it was.
It's well, if you think about it most Most most fan bases wanna win every single week.
That brings people joy, even even in bad seasons.
You still want to see them get that fourth win of the season because it means something.
Um, just fans there.
They're probably rooting for that.
But again, at the end of the game, they're sitting there saying like, Well, we're deep in the season.
Why do we wanna win this game and blow this first overall pick? That would be a very Jets thing to Dio with a win and and screw themselves over.
But at the same time, if they win, they helped the Patriots so very conflicting.
Time to be a Jets fan yesterday because I think you could make a case for every outcome being a good outcome for the Jets.
Even yesterday's outcome.
Eso again it zits funny.
And and I'm just glad that we're on the other side of it and has seen this, um, you know, comedy tour You know, I think there's a new Kings of comedy tour going on right now.
That's, uh, pretty much anywhere.
It's a circus, it really is.
And it's been the watch from a non Jets perspective.
We got a few minutes left, so I don't wanna bring this up and, you know, surprise, surprise.
We actually didn't really talk too much about quarterbacks.
We'll save that tomorrow when when John comes in.
But I do want to ask you this one.
Not so much the quarterbacks, that air throwing the balls to these guys, but the guys themselves.
And I'm gonna put you on the spot.
Who's the best wide receiver in the league? Is it is a Tyree kill words that Davante Adams, or is there a third person in there out there? But right now, I think to me, it's it's very clear that those two are the best at what they do, and it is consistent as anyone in the league, and I think that's huge.
That's tough, that is, that is a really, really tough one.
As much as I said that the choice was mostly clear between Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes, and that I would take Rodgers at this point and I would give him the M v. P.
Uh, that's a really tough one.
I mean, Davante Adams has had a tremendous year.
I can't imagine what the Green Bay offense would look like without him, you know? And I think at the same time, he has benefited greatly from Aaron Rodgers having one of his best seasons in recent memory.
Eso Those two have really, really developed this energy.
But look at what Tyree kill does on the field.
And I'm talking purely on the field Now, folks, um, hey, re really is something special toe watch.
I mean, he's I mean, the speed that you know with which he is able Thio, get free.
Hey, runs his routes well again.
I think you've seen him make some of these quote unquote messiah throws Messianic throws that Patrick lauded for, uh, you know, Teoh.
You know, I think you've seen Tyreek Hill make him him look better on occasion, then thin than what we've seen.
And I think in that way I think there's there's there's some stuff that needs to be flushed out.
Look, I don't think you go wrong with either one of these guys.
I think they are the clear top to write, DeOnte begins.
Needs to be in that conversation.
Maybe, you know, for three or anything like that.
But my my gut reaction right now, as I would for the pure speed Andi, I probably go with Hill just a little bit over over Davante Adams.
And I don't mean to anger any Packers fans when I say that because Davante Adams to me, is one of the more complete wide receivers, um, in the game.
And arguably, I think it's one in one.
At this point, folks, I don't think you're really looking at too much of a drop off, but eso maybe it's because I Seymour of ill than I do more of atoms in, um in, uh, you know and film review.
But he's he's just These guys were playing at another level, and I just I would I would give him a very, very slight edge here.
Um, I wonder where the bad sportsmanship police or this weekend they seem to be very quiet over what I thought was a pretty I mean, look, I I agree with you I I do think that I'll give the edge to Tyree kill just because again, I think he creates such a advantage for the Chiefs team when he can just We saw it yesterday.
Him just run by defenders.
But I didn't I didn't like the the arrogance there, you know, with with standing at the goal line.
And I'm so glad that the past came back because it was kind of like a good, you know, you kind of get what you deserve.
Their that was that was unnecessary, in my opinion.
You know, the standing there at the goal line for several seconds and then doing the back flip on what is ultimately, ah, a Moute play because, well, the Chiefs held and I know people were complaining.
I'm like, No, that that was the hold.
I mean, he the defender.
I mean, that's kind of the big things.
Like if you could hook and turns on the well that's gonna get called just about every time.
Um so I I didn't like that, but I thought it was funny that the folks out there that were, you know, borderline Mark Brunell crying on camera about Tom Brady not shaking someone's hand and calling him a bad sport are quite quiet today on that.
But, hey, you know, who am I? Who am I to sit there and call you out for your hypocrisy? I'm just a guy, Mike.
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