Good evening, everybody.
And welcome to a another episode of full press coverage.
I am Ian Glendon.
I am joined on the phone by Mr Mike Debate and Mike.
I just want to say Happy September happy NFL season because this is the week that the NFL finally returns.
It's back to school.
It's back to work.
I know, but it's back to football.
And that makes everything all right with the world.
And any time that I can join you on the microphone and talk NFL football, we know we're doing things right, my friends.
So yeah, absolutely loving it and can't wait for this Sunday slate.
Gonna be a really, really fun time.
Have an NFL football back? Yeah, absolutely.
And and again, it just it feels like overnight.
Everything just feels right again.
Right in the world, we have football until February especially, you know, speaking for myself and you were both Patriots fans, so we know we're gonna have football in February.
That's that's That's almost as much of a given as you can get in the world of sports and and how things tend to work out.
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Ah, pre and post ah, one and four o'clock games.
So it's gonna be a lot of fun this year.
We're looking forward to talking a lot of foot Bo and ah, Mike, you're you're gonna be a frequent guest.
And eventually, Like I said, once we get you cleaned up and, uh, get rid of these ah words, wardrobe malfunctions were going to get you on camp.
Well, yeah, once I cut the hair and I you know that limiting the beard and the hideous grotesque features, I assure you my image on the screen will only draw down viewership.
I'm picturing on picturing pre Jack Bauer pre season three beard and you know, just uncanny this.
I'm not. I just made up a word.
Yeah, pretty much.
If I ask you for a hacksaw, then you know you're in trouble.
That's that's kind of what, uh, what's going on there? But now, all kidding aside, looking forward to joining you and and and the guys with the PC all season long gonna be a great season, and we really, really can't wait to kick it off. And again.
You did say that this is a special scene in New England defending world champions.
Again, I'm Super Bowl champions again, and, uh, you know, we're definitely going to be, ah, making our best push for another, you know, birth in the playoffs and hopefully a deep run into the playoffs.
So there's a lot of other teams that are searching out there right now and hoping for the best is well, so it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out this year.
No, absolutely it again, it It's a long season.
This is, you know, we've gone through many of them, you know, both of us.
Being in our thirties, we've seen many of football season, so we understand.
We know the process.
We know the excitement initially builds up, and then the anticipation for those Thanksgiving Ah, time games.
You know, that's when things really start to get going.
Or at least that's what Bill Belichick says the season.
You know, you really want to know what your team is about when it comes down to Thanksgiving and, um, you know, that's kind of the process here, and ah, hey, Kickoff weekend is one of the best weekends of the year. Everyone's excited.
It's It's fresh, You know, if you're up north like you are you getting that crisp fall air? If you're down here in Florida, you're You're wondering if there's gonna be a hurricane.
Fortunately for us, it doesn't look like there's gonna be one.
Ah, you know, heavy rain.
But that's pretty normal for a summer down here in Florida.
Um, you know, But again, like I said, it's football season.
We're gonna have actual football on Thursday, not the Patriots.
Ah, but you know, look, I I understand why they went with this game, you know, is a CZ Muchas uh, you may talk about how you know, Oh, that the NFL is out to get the pain.
No, no, this look, it's the Bears and the Packers.
And, you know, it's the oldest rivalry in the sport.
It's it's the 100th year.
It feels right that these two teams are starting it off, especially given that they're both somewhat relevant.
So, um, so anyway, so we we we've gotten a lot of news this last week or so.
It's been pretty wild.
Yeah, you know, it was pretty dead for a while, and then all of a sudden, you know, camp started up preseasons been rolling.
And, you know, obviously it's over now.
Um, but the biggest things have happened here in the last couple of days, and I'm talking about player movement and not not just obviously cuts.
I mean, you know, trying to get down to a 53 man roster is difficult for any team, especially ones that are very talented because you know what that means.
There's gonna be some good players. Let go.
Um, with the biggest news coming out of Ah, you know, most of it seems to have come out of Houston these days, but one of the biggest things going on ah, is the trade of Davian Clowney to my are Sorry not to Miami.
They tried to get him, but he refused.
Um, but he went up to Seattle, and now he is Ah, joining Sigi on says there's other defensive and addition up there in Seattle too, too kind of, you know, reshape.
Ah, what was once a pretty formidable defense.
So, um, let's start there.
Let's talk about you, David and cloudy.
First for Seattle.
How do you view this move for Seattle um I have notes right here in front of me, actually, actually to my right, cause that's everyone can see me on camera.
They just saw me look to my right.
Um, the Texans received Jacob Martin, Barkevious, Mingo and just the 20 23rd round pick for Clowney, who assigned obviously his franchise toe tag.
So, Mike, I'm going to ask you.
What do you think? Um how do you think Seattle benefits from this move? And ah, you know, I think they want this trade by a landslide.
Do you agree with me? Yeah.
Yeah, I think they did win by a landslide.
Look, plenty is a very, very I hesitate to use the word generational talent because I don't know quite in that echelon.
But he's up there in terms of defenders in the league that are able to get after the passer and really, really cause havoc on a defensive line or two off wind and up his initial of this move for Seattle.
They didn't have to give up one to get him to give up the third round pick, and they give up two players, not Barkevious.
Mingo is actually a former patriot, so you and I know him a little bit here a little bit.
Some elementary that he's at.
Jacob Martin, obviously as well was thrown into that trait.
But when you take a look at what Seattle had to give up to get him, and in turn, they got back this really, really solidifies and fortifies that defense brings it back to, I believe, an elite level in this league.
And you take that with Russell Wilson still being in Seattle and going to be there for the long haul with the contract extension that he signed in the offseason.
Take a look now with where this team is, and all of a sudden Seattle Seahawks are a very, very formidable challenger now in the NFC, possibly up there in that upper echelon.
So I love the trade for the Seattle Seahawks, and I think they, by far one this trade.
On the flip side, I know a lot of people are hammering the Houston Texans for the Hall war.
The lack of all they got back for a guy like Clowney.
Bill O'Brien over the weekend gave an interview and said that he understood why everybody does ***.
The trade and what they gave back to Seattle.
But in the end, they felt that it was in the best of the best interest of the organization.
And, look, they tried to unload him to other teams that seem that Clowney essentially because he didn't sign his tender, he had a right to choose where he wanted to go.
And essentially, he did that by choosing Seattle Seahawks.
So it did hamper the ability for Houston to go out there and to get as much as they could in return.
Was this the best they could do? Well, I think the jury is still out on that.
I think we're probably still a couple of days away from hearing some of the rumblings about what might have been offered what could have been offered if Clowney had signed his tender? What could they have gotten back, but ultimate really having to get back 20 23rd round pick and two players that are relatively versatile, but they're not going to move the needle this year is a little bit difficult for the fans in Houston to swallow.
Luckily, they were able to swing another deal on and they were able Thio swing a deal with the Miami Dolphins.
Well, I'm sure we're gonna get yes Way will under there.
But in any case, that should take this thing out of it a little bit.
But look, the Texans were losing the number one pick in the overall of the number one overall pick in the 2014 draft.
You know, he's re recorded 29 *** during his five seasons with the team, and you know there's a void that's gonna be there on their defense.
Now, there's just no question about it.
And the pick that they got back in combination with the two players they gun are just not enough to be able to offset that.
So the Texans do take a step back.
But if they could turn that pick into something or possibly make other moves down the line, that could allow them to be able to do that.
They did bring in some other guys and again, we're gonna get to that in a second.
That will help to alleviate that.
But the loss of Clowney is something that they'll feel this year, and I don't think they've quite rebounded from, um, you know, I I just had this thought while you were talking and ah, I think I can convince a lot of people that I'm an incredible ventriloquist of you.
And I can, you know, sit here and and work the puppet.
You know, both of us being ah Howard Stern fans.
You know, I I just immediately think of Ah, we'll have the mic puppet will be the debate puppet.
So there you go. Debate, puppet.
But, you know, again, you I I agree with you 100% I think, given what Seattle gave up to get Clowney, a guy like you said, a former first overall pick, you know, had some injury struggles their early in his career.
But it has been pretty, you know, solid the last three seasons or so.
Um, you know, it just further helps a team that again, I think, has flown a little bit under the radar.
I think you can lump in.
Ah, Russell Wilson, with guys like Matt Ryan is probably some of the more underrated quarterbacks in this league, because again, a lot of other guys, some very justly deserve it, but they get a lot more attention um than these guys.
And, you know, it kind of epitomizes the Seahawks, you know, as a whole, because we've seen them go through this transition where they've lost Kam Chancellor and Richard Sherman.
And and, um, you know, all these guys that made up this legion of boom Earl Thomas, you know, the list goes on, and it's just Ah, now all of a sudden, you know, you see them building again from that front seven, and now it's a pretty formidable, formidable group, especially, um, you know, again when they still have ah, pretty talented offense, you know, guys like, you know, D K.
You know, whether he comes to fruition or not in that offense will remain to be seen.
But again, you still have Russell Wilson, a guy who food 34 touchdowns.
And if I'm remembering this off the top of my head last season, So, um, I like to move a lot for Seattle.
Ah, I think I'm still like you, like you very skeptical about how it's gonna turn out for the Texans because, you know, for a number of reasons, this year's this trade represents a lot of frustration for that team.
Because if you remember when When Clowney was drafted in 2014 he was meant to be that guy toe to spell J J.
What? You know, they they were gonna wreak havoc on offensive lines and, you know, throw in some of the other town they had on the on those teams at the time, and you're looking at the Texans like, Wow, they're they're going to go on the next run.
Well, you know, injuries to Clowney.
And what kind of really screwed with that? And now, you know, obviously we're far past that, And, uh, you know, the Texans Air.
Really? Look, and we're about to get to the next move that they were involved in, but, you know, to be a kind of looks like they're just giving it one big swing, Bill O'Brien.
And in that, uh, the coaching staff or front office or whatever.
Just giving it one big swing this season.
And, ah, you know, I don't know if he's really thinking that long term, to be honest with you, because e if I was a betting man and I'm not quite a betting that yet, maybe i'll become one.
Um I would say he's probably not long for that position.
Um, probably at the end of this year, I would imagine he would be gone.
You know, assuming that the Texans don't have a ah, you know, very successful season.
And by that I mean, probably a f C championship game at the bare minimum.
So, um, it just to me, I I want to see what happens with the Texans.
And, you know, this brings me to, you know, the next trade.
Which video you briefly mentioned was ah, Laramie Tonsil and Kenny Stills from the Dolphins coming over to the Texans.
And, you know, this was something that, you know originally, Clowney.
And this is how it all kind of comes together.
Um, Clowney was, uh, rumor to be going to possibly going to the Dolphins.
And Jeremy Tonsil was a guy that was thrown out there.
Um, that's not the case.
Clowney's in Seattle, but tonsil still moves.
And, ah, you know, this is a move where you're talking about a guy Ah, franchise left tackle going from Miami, who's clearly in a build for the future mode.
I mean, there's no doubt about that.
No, matter what kind of you know team speak comes out of the front office of the coaching staff.
You know, they're building for the future s o the Texans go and get Kenny stills.
They get Laramie Tonsil.
However they give up two first round picks.
Um, and I believe 1/3 I had it right here in front of me.
So you got ah, two first round picks on a second round pick in 2021 which is which is quite a haul in something that again, Like I said, I don't think Bill O'Brien really has tthe e the future in mind.
When he makes trades like this, he has three here and now and the okay, if I'm gonna go out, the best chance I have is to save my job is to go out when a Super Bowl are playing a Super Bowl.
So, um, I think this may be I'm putting far too much value on these draft picks.
And again, Laramie Tonsil is you know what? Franchise left tackle.
But again, I feel like the Texans.
Motivation is not there.
I think it's good for the dolphins.
Obviously not short term But again, I'm I need to see what happens with this Texans team before I put any hard grade on this.
Yeah, and I think that's smart.
Or there's no denying Tonsil is definitely a great talent.
He's been one of the best that his position you to be facing.
Houston's offensive line is absolutely, absolutely a boring.
I mean, they really needed some help on that offensive line, and Tunsil does come in and be able to do that automatically.
Take a look at what they gave up to get this guy along with Kenny Stills, who was a pretty serviceable wide receiver.
But when you look at the hall that the Dolphins were able to bring in as a result of this 20 21st round pick, a 2021 1st round pick and a 2021 2021 2nd round, that's an amazing amount of draft capital to give up for guys that may not be able to help you move the needle.
And again, they lost a big piece on their defense when it came to Jadeveon Clowney and I know that he as injury history and I know there's some you know issues there.
But when this goes in the lineup, he made that Texans defense very, very scary, especially with J.
Watt and merciless and ah, lot of the guys that they had on this team that were able to bring, you know, some real pressure to NFL quarterbacks, and they really were able to re Catholic.
I don't see them being able to do that this year.
So again, I do think if the Texans are swinging for the fences at this point, I'm not sure even if they made contact with this trade, I'm not sure it's enough to get it up and out over the fence.
I think there's still some holes on this team that have not been addressed, and now the fact that you're going to have another hole in the defense is a little bit suspect.
And unfortunately, I really can't put a great on this until we see how all this works out with tonsil on whether or not he's able to really bring that UM, section so desperately needed by Watson and the skill position players on the Houston Texans.
From the dolphin standpoint, that's a completely different story and I'll let you go ahead and then I'll try my well, I I was just going to say to for all you ah, conspiracy theorists out there and, ah, you know, those of you who suffer from what, my good friend, you know, on the other side of this ah, microphone.
Ah likes to call a Brady derangement syndrome.
Um, this this seems, if you look at it from, ah from a very foggy parent classes that both Bill O'Brien and, um uh, Brian Flores are helping the Patriots in the here and now.
Obviously, the Dolphins are not better.
And I don't think the Texans are better right now.
So there you go, folks, if your conspiracy theorists and I'm thinking about one guy up in Buffalo currently right now, he's he's probably all over this, saying that you know Bill O'Brien and Brian Floors.
They're doing the Patriots a solid because guess what? Next year, the Texans and the Dolphins are both worse than what they were last year.
And the Dolphins significantly worse.
But as you alluded to, So it was a good conspiracy theory, right? That was pretty good.
Okay, I like, you know, get subscribing Oh, no, absolutely even together mass hysteria.
And everybody's bending over backwards to help the Patriots.
And look, I have an ego.
Don't get me wrong.
But I I certainly realized that I don't have that as much of a reach to get that going.
But, hey, you never know.
Maybe maybe some of these, you know, people with the alternative views, uh, happen to pick up on it and run with it.
And then, uh, then you can credit me for that.
So again, I don't want to get to sidetracked because, you know, again, we're talking conspiracy theories and things that people, you know, hopefully not really take seriously, but, um no.
And Ali and will not see people with tinfoil hats outside his window.
And just so we're open, we're keeping our fingers crossed that you know what? You know what if they go ahead and go to Ah, the full press coverage store? Ah, it's a DSG entry, Doc Com Such full press coverage or the merchandise tab ride at full press coverage. Calm.
They could buy a shirt.
You know what they can.
They can show up with tinfoil hats and and and do whatever they want.
But you know what? Buy a shirt in the process, and you know, we'll call it even.
I got sidetracked a little bit, huh? When it's all said and done, Yes, the dolphins are worse today.
It far worse than what they were last year.
Um, worse than what they were three days ago.
And they were already pretty bad, you know, initial impression.
I'm gonna peg them at about three wins, barring anything, you know, Amazing.
So, yes, it benefits the patriots now.
Um, but this is a great hall for Miami again.
More when you can pull in multiple first round picks when you have Ah, guy.
That was, you know, Ah, high first round pick And Josh Rosen, Um, potentially taking over the Helms eventually.
Ah, you know that they're in a pretty good situation, You know, you got you got to think realistically if you're the Dolphins.
Yeah, I mean, publicly, you say? Yeah, we're competing.
We're not tanking this that and the other.
Um, I wouldn't even call it a tank necessarily.
But to me, it's just more or less, and Brian Flores would know better than anyone.
It's just accepting the inevitable cause, even if they didn't make those moves.
They're not beating the Patriots this year, and they're probably not beat them next year.
Eventually, Tom Brady has to retire, and this team and the Patriots won't be as good.
Not saying they're gonna be bad, but they won't be as good.
And I think the competitive balance in the division will even out a little bit more.
Um, so the Dolphins have to be thinking long term and have you know, that's that's the smart move.
Now again, they still have to make the right moves with these pics.
They still have to select the right players.
And it could all come come crumbling down, you know? Think about the Browns.
Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson.
That didn't work out too well for Johnny Manziel.
Throw him in there too.
Um, so again, you know, the dolphins are setting themselves up with the right pieces.
They realize that look, they're not going to compete this year.
They're not gonna put themselves in a position where they're gonna go and reach for a player that a they're going over pay and be Is it really going to move the needle that much.
And you know, we've seen teams, you know, especially Rex Ryan.
Teams do this in the past, and, you know, it's just been kind of indicative of the entire A F C East is they react knee jerk reactions to what the Patriots do instead of thinking long term and trying to build something as opposed to trying to attack the Patriots.
So in theory, I like what Miami's doing.
If I was a Dolphins fan, aside from the fact that it's gonna be a pretty boring year and the only way it's culminating in a Super Bowl is because Super Bowls actually being played in Miami Um, you know it sucks this year for him, but long term, the chances of them getting ah, significantly better.
Yeah, I do agree with that.
I think you know, with Brian Flores at the helm, you know, Chris career, Brandon Shore and their brain trust in Miami right now has to be looking at this deal with like you said and I on the future, they're also looking at this deal is an opportunity for them to see what type of talent they have within the organization Let's not forget Bryan Flores is brand new to the Miami organization.
He needs to bring in his guys.
There is that latent period where you're kind of playing out the string you're seeing, who's going to be around.
Who were the guys that you could build on? Who were the guys that you can rely on? And who were they guys that you want to jettison and kind of, you know, move them out and say, You know what? This is not my type of player.
He's not gonna fit the system that I want to run, and that gives them the opportunity to kind of clear the Deadwood a little bit.
So, yeah, it's gonna be a tough year in Miami.
There's no question about it.
I know a lot of Miami fans right now are up in arms and you know, they're really they're just down on the team and they feel like they're completely tanking.
But I don't necessarily think they're tanking, but they definitely like you, said I on the future.
There's no question about that.
They're not a team that's looking this year, so let's see how it plays out and then what they do with this draft capital in like you said is absolutely paramount.
They're gonna have to hit these pics right on the head.
And if they don't, then yeah, you do.
Then you start to see erosions of teams and then these teams that just stay in the cellar for years and years simply because they don't use their draft capital properly and try to bring in the right free agents alongside it.
Now Flores again, I know we pump the tires of the New England Patriots.
Flores is coming from an organization that does this better than anybody know. Donatella, check. Neccessary.
Oh, you want to go back to the Skopje Only days You take a look at the guys they have in the hot seats, making these big decisions.
They do it year after year, and they do it better than anybody else.
So if Brian Flores is coming into the Miami Dolphins organization, he's learning from the best.
He's the type of guy that really absorbed what Belichick did.
He's not some of these guys along the Bellagio coaching tree that have come in and tried to say, Oh, I know a little bit better.
I could do it my own way.
Flores is the type of guy that's gonna take those lessons.
He's gonna apply them, and he's gonna be shameless about the fact that he needs to be the type of decision maker that a guy like Bill Belichick and Nick Assyria worth.
So they he's learned from a great source.
If he can put that into Prague and into, ah, fruition, and he could put that into practice than Miami may have something cooking here within the next couple of years and and look.
And, like you said, we try and not bring everything back to New England.
But it almost seems impossible because the next thing we're you know, we're gonna talk about here again, has very heavy New England ties, and it just kind of shows the influence of this entire team or, you know, having been so successful over the last couple of decades, where you have multiple coat, you know, former assistant coaches in head coaching positions and you have players all over the place.
And, uh, this is a double whammy here because one not only does Brian Hoyer sign to be the backup in Indianapolis, he is backing up the newest $30 million man and jacoby percent who today signed a contract extension, as he has obviously taken over for Andrew Luck there in Indy.
And that's something that we talk about.
Last week when we did one of these one of these bad boys here on SportsCastr live.
Um, So, um, again, were we trying not bring up the Patriots? But, you know, when you dangle that candy out in front of a fat kid, you know, you know what? They're gonna eat it.
And you know what? That candy is out there.
And when we get an opportunity to talk about, the Patriots were going to do that.
And, um, you know, first, obviously we'll focus on the indie side of this.
But for one, I think it's a great move for them to bring in a guy like Brian Oreo for a number of reasons.
Ah, one, he's He's a very valuable leader in terms of being a backup and what he does behind the scenes for teams like that, you know, just teams in general to him and Jacoby percent obviously have some familiarity.
Having both come from New England.
It's a very There's a lot of influence in those guys from New England.
So again, that's something that they can.
Ah, you know, bond with and and and build a relationship through.
And again, I think it's just a good backup situation for indie.
Look, we know Jacoby is a good player.
His stealing? We don't know yet.
I think given this opportunity, we talked about this again on more depth in depth last week.
Uh, but I think his, uh, his opportunity to excel is he's in a much better situation this time around than whenever he was, ah, poised to start before.
So, um, just having Brian Hoyer in that position.
It is a good thing for the Colts.
I think they bring in a high quality guy in that organization organization.
You know, we'll joke on a lot of things that happened to the Colts, but a lot of that is the responsibility of the former leadership of that team.
So again, you know, this is not you know anything towards Ballard and the current coaching staff or anything like that.
You know, this is this is thes air.
Good signings, Good for a team that just lost their franchise quarterback.
Ah, team, that's that's built to compete now.
Or less preparing for the future as a future ah, elite team in this league? So, um, first off, let's focus on did Indy here? How do you like that, Hoyer move.
And you know, I I know you're happy for Jacoby Thio be able to think that contract extension and basically get a chance to ah, really prove himself in this league.
Yeah, I mean, from from a standpoint from Indianapolis, they're getting a great guy.
They're getting a true professional in every sense of the word.
And Brian Hoyer truly is.
Look aside from being one of the better guys in the Patriotslocker room and really just being so well liked and well respected among his peers, This was a guy that was extremely, extremely valuable to them when it came to scout team a***en.
When you take a look at what the Patriots were able to do defensively against prolific quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff in the playoffs last year, lawyer was a big part of that.
He was a very, very big component in the scout team and being able to mimic a lot of the moves that these guys were going to make.
It prepared the defense so well.
And you heard a lot of that this week.
This weekend, I should say, as Sawyer was was cut loose and a lot of the players were talking about just how much of, ah, just how much of a, uh, asset he was to them in that locker room.
So from lawyer's standpoint, this is a great place to be able to go for him.
You know, I definitely wish him well.
It's a great landing spot.
He gets to be the primary backup.
He could be a possible spot starter because again, like you said, Jacoby percent ceiling is something that we haven't really examined yet.
As football fans, he could have a very high ceiling.
He may have plateau it already.
I don't think so.
I think there's still Maurine, the tank that we haven't seen from Jacoby yet.
But there's still that possibility that the pressure, the bright lights and that weight that's on your shoulder when you're starting quarterback could be too much.
And if that's the case, Hoyer does give them a lot of experience and he gives them a great opportunity for them to still be ableto win games with a guy that's done it.
He's done it in the past.
I think he's done.
He did a great job in Cleveland.
He actually took one like 13 games did.
He was actually believed 11 and five.
They were one of 15.
They were one and 15 and the the games that he didn't start.
So I think that should tell you something right there that this guy can win football games.
And not only that, but he does bring that experience in that tutelage to Jacoby percent.
He's going to be able to bring him to another level, hopefully, and I know that that's what the hope is in Indianapolis.
I know there were a lot of people talking about all this was a big move for indeed because they're gonna get a chance to pick Brian Hoyer's brain and they're going to get a chance to do all this stuff.
Thio, find out the secrets of Tom Brady and look, I don't buy too much into that.
I mean, lawyer is good at mi****ing what these guys do on the scout team, but Tom Brady is as good as anyone in league history as of adapting to his environment and playing to the weaknesses of his enemies.
So I don't necessarily believe too much.
That brand boy was simply going to go over there and teach them the secrets of Tom Brady.
And suddenly he's gonna fall apart when he plays in Annapolis.
I really, really don't that.
But at the same time, Sawyer will bring them a greater amount of scouting a***en than they would have had before.
Um, as for the Patriots, they're still gonna be well equipped with Brady and set him and we'll get into the Patriots in another time in another discussion.
But I think this is a great move for both Indy and for Brian Hoyer.
And I mean, you can't argue with the paper bump that he had should have been a $1.
5 million salary this year.
Instead, he signs a $12 million deal with nine million guaranteed.
That's a pretty good pay bomb, so you've got to be happy for lawyer in that regard.
D'oh! No, absolutely.
And in a good question was brought up in the ER.
If you're watching right on the sports cast, a website or even on our website because chat room still shows up, you can during the discussion there.
But even the even the question of whether or not ah, Chad Kelly you know playing well in the preseason was going to do anything to impact it.
I think it just speaks to the value off what Hoyer brings to the group, regardless of he's the backup or even the third quarterback, especially for again.
Ah, quarterback room.
That's very inexperienced.
Now again, Brian Hoyer doesn't have a lot of in game experience, but, ah, the value, the stuff that he learned being behind Tom Brady within the organization and what he has proven on the field is very valuable for this group, especially a guy like Jacoby, who, you know by all accounts, is a good learner.
And you know, he's he's a guy who was, you know, the right type of head on him.
So if he takes him what he learns and he, you know, takes in everything that he's experienced with Tom and and under Andrew Luck and now you know what Brian Hoyer backing him up.
You know, I think again that it just kind of speaks to the volume.
And, you know, you mentioned the Patriots briefly, you know, there's, you know, some some.
It suggested that they had tried to or consider trying to bring him back.
Obviously, the price tag.
Good for Brian Hoyer.
He got, you know, a little bump in pay for getting cut.
But I think it was all about just Jared sit him being a guy that they trusted enough to be the backup to Tom.
Now again, aside from that season where he, you know, blew his knee out, you know, he hasn't missed a game for of for injury his entire career.
So system's not gonna get in on the field barring anything catastrophic.
So you know, that's not really huge risk.
But it is a risk.
Uh, because again, you know what? If it does happen to the page, it's going to stay afloat for a few games, can sit him, do that.
I think the Patriots coaching staff believes he can, and that meant Brian Hoyer was able to be let go, and one person's.
I don't want to calm trash, but it's just a saying one person's trash is another person's treasure.
I think is a perfect ****ogy.
Whereas, you know, trash in this instance was just a, you know, a commodity that you didn't need right now.
It's it's it's a It's a gold mine of knowledge and it and the ability to have a good, solid backup, cause there's a lot of really bad backups out there.
Just just look at Oakland.
They have about four black backups trying to play starter, you know.
So again, Ah, it's a great move for India.
I really, really like it.
I think Brian Horror is gonna do great there.
Uh, for what he does, I I'm really rooting for jacoby percent.
Despite my feelings towards Thea towards the organization, it's more or less because of the rivalry.
So don't take it personal.
Anyone out there? Um but I'm root for Jacoby.
I'm rooting for Brian where to do well, and hopefully Jacoby can, you know, parlay this into a pretty massive payday in a couple of years.
Another starting gig.
So, um, so again, you know, we we've spent a significant time on some of these bigger moves that have happened over the last couple of days, and we'll we'll touch breeze briefly on these first, these last few here.
And, uh, one of the things that popped up yesterday was Look, John McCoy is being reunited with Andy Reid in Kansas City.
So after being cut by the Buffalo Bills, he thinks a deal to go to Kansas City.
What are your initial impressions on that? Do you think it's Ah, big move, the needle type of move.
I think it's a needle steady type of move, and I know I'm gonna get a lot of eight from your tone.
Your tone says everything is way could stop right there.
But I'll let you elaborate.
No, it's I think it's the first of all.
I don't think it was a terrible move.
I don't think it's a no vote all anytime you add a layer of wish on McCoy's, uh, degree and his history, it's definitely something that's going to help the Kansas City Chiefs now is it the move that absolutely puts them over the top and, like P, Trager says, they're gonna average about 65 points a game.
I think that's a little lofty and you know, not for anything Kansas City, but team has to do it offensive side of the ball in order to appoint them as the successor of the New England Patriots.
That's something we still haven't seen them proven to be able to d'oh! Now they've made some moves in defense this year.
They might be a little bit better, and it looks like they might be a little bit more formidable on the defensive side of the ball this year.
But you can lose games giving up, scoring the amount points that they're going to score.
You can still lose games if you're not able to stop teams on the other side of the ball.
I like the the move of, Ah, bringing LaShawn McCoy in.
Reuniting him with Andy Reid is definitely good.
Those two have a synergy.
They have a history together from Philadelphia, so there will be some, you know, benefits toe having that there.
But ultimately, I don't believe it's that move the needle forward type that juggernauts the Kansas City Chiefs past the New England Patriots and every other team in the A F. C.
There's still a lot of football to be played.
It makes their deep, their offense a little bit stronger.
It was ready, a very strong offense, no question about it.
And no one is taking them lightly by any stretch of the imagination.
But it has to be put into action on the field and again.
The Buffalo Bills made the decision that room's LaShawn McCoy for a reason.
And it wasn't all financial folks.
There were some issues that they saw with the with the player that made them realize that they could move on.
It's the same thing that we just saw with Brian Hoyer in a different situation, but a similar type of mindset where a guy like Bill Belichick is not going to cut a player loose.
If he believes that there's much more value to keeping him on the run is made.
So again, we'll see what McCoy has left in the tank.
I still think he has some juice left in the tank, but I don't know if necessarily it's the move that should have Ah, Kansas City Chiefs fans popping champagne all over the place before the season begins because there is a lot of football to be played? Yes, Yes.
And possibly some extra overtime football, too, if if we're so lucky.
Um, wait, it's over time.
You know, Kansas City's gonna touch the ball is gonna get very Oh, man.
Okay. All right.
Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike.
You know, I you know, Mike, my everything that I you know, I every piece of energy I had was trying to resist bringing that up because it's the fairness bowl.
It's a fairness Full again, eh? Deep breaths, deep breaths.
I won't bring it up.
But you know what I think again? We've always said we eat share half a brain to complete pretty much a full brain.
So sometimes things just kind of, you know, we we know what we're thinking.
And I think we're both on the same page there.
When when that kind of creeped into our subconscious.
You know, I I I I don't even want it.
All I'm gonna say is if you're sitting here saying you're picking the Super Bowl, you know, if you want to pick the chiefs to go to the Super Bowl, fine.
That's great. Good for you.
You can make a really good case for it.
And there's a lot of reasons.
Ian and I are having some fun at this expense, but no one is lessening Maur absolutely taking away from what the Kansas City Chiefs are going to be on the field.
This is a tough team.
They gave the Patriots everything absolutely here.
So, yeah, there's nobody take him lightly.
That's a formidable team.
But to sit there and say that you're picking a matchup between two teams and you're calling it the Fairness Bowl as if there were something unfair about Kansas City losing that game, you know, unfair to the fans that they only scored seven points at 3/4 you know, unfair to them that, you know, they decided settle on a field goal late in the game instead of going for it.
You know, unfair to the fans that, you know, Kansas City couldn't stop the Patriots three times, third and long.
You know, this'd ridiculous, and it really, you know, got me stirred up earlier because it just to me, it just speaks.
It's very loser's mentality.
And a very, um, you know what? I'm just gonna leave it at that because, you know, again I have a look a lot of thoughts going through my mind right now, and I don't want to say something I might regret.
So let's just say I have issues without calling the fairness bowl, particularly with Peter King and and anyone who agrees with them, that that Kansas City and Patriots game okay was unfair.
So we'll leave that at that.
We'll save this for something.
Maybe, like, you know, F P.
C after dark or something.
Well, you know don't have to worry about cussing and all that stuff.
So for now, this is family friendly again, May I remind you the reason Mike is not on camera today is because he was deemed too hot for TV, so it would really defeat the purpose.
If I went on some profanity laden rant.
You might as well just so Mike on camera, you know, as is so anyways, I digress.
I'm a you know, I'm kind of rambling on here.
So, um, let's let's talk a little bit about, you know, we could spend a lot of time on the Patriots, but let's let's touch briefly on them because, um, again, this was a This was a team, obviously, that we both pay very close attention to Or at least I hope we D'oh! You know, if we want to be doing our jobs.
Um, appointment? Yep.
Point intensity, but home.
Look, this is a team that obviously losing Brian Hoyer.
They originally released a Marius Thomas.
But again, I think there was a lot of su****ion very early on that this was a move to bring back some, You know, that he was eventually gonna be back and again today.
He resigned one year deal.
His helmet didn't get removed from the locker room.
Um, you know, rookie rookie wide receiver Harry is on injured reserve s, so he will be out at least through week eight because, you know, he could be activated Week six.
And you need a couple weeks.
Um, but the Patriots are pretty stocked, and this was a team that had a lot of tough decisions to make.
Who cut down weekend this past weekend.
So, um, very briefly Mike, what were your impressions of how this team shaped up? And, ah, you know, some of the surprises and, uh, you know, just in general about this team and, you know, again I'm gonna throw out because we talked about this on your other product.
Cast locked on Patriots podcast.
Um, I thought Cheon Crossing was going to make you have a big showing.
But then he got traded to the Houston Texans.
So right back to the Texans is all full circle.
Take it away, Mike.
What do you think about the pages across? I'm surprised me.
Yeah, I mean that that kind of did, especially with the trade of Duke Dawson last Friday.
And it looked like they were moving in the direction of having cross and be a part of this team.
Not only is a corner, but also special teams a***en again that is so important in New England.
And he had such a great reputation on that special teams front.
But ultimately, what I think hap and is it was just the numbers crunch.
You look at the cornerback position with the way the Patriots have it as it is right now, corners that they have on on on their staff on their depth charge.
Stefan Gilmore, Jason McCord, E J.
Jackson, Jonathan Jones, Joanne Williams that it's five more miserable defensive backs, and you look at John Williams, who is a second round draft.
Brandon Browner? Yeah, exact with more scarily.
And you're thinking, Look at him coming in as a second round draft keys.
Number five on the depth chart.
Right now, I think that really sums it up.
So when you look across and he was probably going to be a healthy scratch more often than not because of needing to keep other guys on the field because of matchups issues by trading him, it was a little on the smart side because what it did is it him away from teams that were looking for corner help, especially teams within the division? And I have my eyes directly pointed at the New York Jets right now because they were really hoping to see cracks in the area.
That waiver wire and they did they pick up, they picked up areas.
That was a little bit of a surprise to some people.
But when you look at the depth of the New England Patriots wide receiver corps, you have to realize that he was going to be on the outside looking in and he was leaked front by gonna rochelle ski on the depth chart, winning punt, returning and kick returning.
You know, I'm a big fan of head banging at my Twitter feed.
Lately, they made that man a gunner, and they should make that man a gunner.
And I hope they keep him a gunner for as long as possible so I could keep using that **** need.
But anyway, when it comes thio the wide receivers core again.
Jacoby Meyers really was the darling of the of the preseason, and rightfully so.
He had a tremendous training camp, had a chance to see him up close and personal a couple of times.
And this kid brought it every single practice.
You saw him running crisp routes.
You saw him staying, learning ways to, ah, break working on the little fundamentals that really need to be a part of your game when you're a Patriots wide receiver.
So kudos to him.
No question about it, Philip.
Coming back is not a surprise to me.
I don't think I think we both agree with good.
Yeah, for the good portion.
I know you are a huge, uh, come opponent of ah, Door set, and rightfully so.
He's a player who's earned Tom Brady's trust over the years, and we saw that manifest itself again.
You know, after the last minute change of heart, Schelsky comes in.
He offers a media value as a returner and the long term upside at receiver.
And so I really liked the moves that the Patriots made haven't even touched on some of the guys that they have in camp and defense this year.
Between the diff it's of wine and adding guys like my ical Bennett and, you know, bringing in someone like Byron Cowart via the draft.
Danny Shelton's Remember and You and You, Dietrich Wise is still there is still a member of this and with due cause so much upside when it comes to Dietrich and what he's able to bring, he is a favorite of Belichick and that and that they've brain trust.
I had to call in a favor on that.
They could not get rid of the needed gunner on this scene.
They needed Dietrich wise on this team and it definitely satisfy my craving.
Both, um and Black backing group is just is really, really amazing when you take a look at some of the fronts that they can have.
Not only do they have Dont'a Hightower, Kyle Vanoy, Jamie Collins only ended Roberts and Juwan Bentley, but guys that complaint the defensive line that can also slot in as a linebacker John Simon conduce.
Oh, it shall equip Calhoun if he's healthy.
Conduce Oh, it and also chase wanna ***** who really, I think is going to be one of the eye openers this year for the Patriots on defense, this kid can really bring it.
He's got a nonstop motor, and Patriots fans fall in love with this kid, no question about it.
And they have already in a lot of circles.
But winner, which is gonna be someone to keep your eye on Absolutely.
And, ah, you know, to further ah embed my my conspiracy theory in all of this.
Ah, you know, in order to ah repay Bill O'Brien for some of the moves he made Bill Bill cheque threw him a bone, and he traded him Cheon crossing.
So, um you know, there you go that it makes sense.
Quid pro quo, MMA. Exactly.
Um, No, look again.
We could sit here and talk about the Patriots for days.
And you know what? We're going to so tune in for the next 48 hours straight as we talk.
New England Patriots football? Um, no.
Ah, but you're right.
And this is all you know.
It's all coming together because all these teams that we've talked about or somehow, you know, uh, six degrees of separation, except in this case, it's more like one or two degrees because it's very easy to make these connections.
But, ah, look, the Patriots are obviously, uh, in my opinion, favorite, go back to the Super Bowl.
Despite what you know what others say.
Kansas City has yet to prove that they could beat them.
So I don't want to hear about any ifs, ands or buts.
You know it, The Patriots are you team to be, and they got better coming off the Super Bowl victory.
I think we both believe they got better.
And, um, you know, it's shown by some of the cuts and and moves they had.
The bake is, you know, they had to get rid of some good players and, ah, you know, they? They have a better offensive weapons.
They have better defense of weapons.
And you know they're gonna be right there competing with Kansas City.
Who again, I think their biggest question mark is their defense.
So for everything that we've talked about, a lot of it again has to do with the Patriots because competitors like the Dolphins and Texans in our opinions got worse.
Kansas City is as explosive as ever on offense, but you know, again, is Frank Larkin and Tyrone Matthew enough to to move that needle defensively? We'll see.
We'll see what happens and left the Patriots of the Patriots.
So, um, I'm excited for football.
You know, I I it's just it's, you know, I was thinking about talking about these Ah, the running backs.
The Melvin Gordon Ezekiel Elliott.
Ah, Zeke is, um you know, obviously there there's a lot of rumblings and chatter, as they say in the 24 world, um, chatter going on out there about him signing a deal here in the next 24 to 48 hours.
So I imagine that that's something that probably get done.
Um, on the other end.
Actually, you know what I will ask you about this, because again you're used to be bicoastal.
You're now single coastal.
But you used to cover the then San Diego Chargers that turned into the L A.
Chargers for a old site that we both worked for.
Um, Melvin Gordon, This this looks like a situation that is just not gonna resolve itself with him remaining in Los Angeles.
What are your impressions of this and where, you know, just give you give a hunch where he might end up or where you might find him playing football next year or Nick this week, we'll ask for where he might be playing.
I think the market on that right now has been pretty tight lipped.
I mean, the usual suspects of teams that are going to be looking for running back health.
I mean, we've heard rumblings about the Raiders, and we've heard, you know, obviously in a rumblings about NFC teams, that they wouldn't want to trade him within the conference.
But look, it's really it's a tough situation all the way around.
Melvin Gordon is a very, very deep talent, and if he does leave Sandy, if you got me doing it, if he does leave the Los Angeles charges.
I just I just had to forfeit my bicoastal citizenship.
You know, I've missed a yet another opportunity to play the greatest sports.
Ah, team theme song ever.
And I I think I'm going to start doing that.
Whenever anyone says excellently says San Diego Chargers instead of L.
A Chargers, I'm just gonna play San Diego superchargers theme song.
And you know, I think you know what I'm talking about.
I I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I have I don't have it ready. I'm sorry, guys.
But it's the greatest sports team theme song ever. So sorry.
Just wanted to know.
No, no, no, no question about it.
But now you're absolutely right.
That is definitely the greatest theme song and way we share a love of that.
Yeah. Thunderbolts and lightning.
Okay, look, I've ever got people were sending People are watching.
I don't want to make too much of an ass of myself.
I am gonna stop singing right now.
And then, in any case, you know, I completely agree with you, but look, you know, it came out today, Jeremy Follow reported on ESPN that he does not plan to report for week one.
He's going to sort through potential trade options during his hold out.
Um, you know, he said that only a new development would bring him in.
At this point, I don't know if the relationship is beyond repair.
We've seen stranger things happen.
If the Chargers decide that they want to acquiesce to his request, so to speak, then you'll see him in camp and you'll see him in ah, in Los Angeles and you'll see him ready to go.
I don't necessarily know if there's any give or take on both sides for that to happen.
I think this is probably reached the point.
Uh, I don't want to see the point of no return yet, but it were right at that level.
And if Gordon somehow, you know, is able to be satisfied with what Los Angeles might be able to bring in, and he doesn't find any potential trade suitors that air, you know, I don't want to say that our ah amenable to him I get the best way for me to put it.
Then at that point, I think you're going to see him probably move on from from Los Angeles.
And if that's the case, that does create a pretty big hole in their running game.
Gordon is among the best in the business of what he does when he's health the and he's on the field, so they're gonna have to pick up the slack.
They're gonna have to really rely on their backups and be able to do what they need to do in the meantime, because this is still a team that has a lot of, um, eyes on it, and it's still a team that there's a lot of expectations for.
So, you know, do they have enough In a guy like Austin, Eh? Killer may be a clear is a guy that when I covered the Chargers, I was very high on, and I really, really liked his game.
But I don't know if he's going to be able to be the feature back game after game after game, knowing that there will be no Gordon there to spell, you know, any type of issues that he may have running the ball.
So it's Ah, yeah, we're gonna if you're a Chargers fan, you're going to get a heavy dose of Austin ocular early on, which is not a bad thing, but just hoping that they can sustain that throughout the season.
Well, and, hey, we'll find out hopefully soon.
Maybe we'll have a resolution to this standoff here in the next couple days before the actual season kicks off.
So, um, with that said, thank you, Mike once again for, ah, for joining me in and talking football again.
Eventually, we'll get we'll get you will get your face up there and, well, you know, we'll talk about it and be able to actually see face to face.
And, uh, I won't be the only foolish one appear on camera, so I just I just hope I just hope I didn't unknowingly picked my nose during this, because again, I don't I don't know what's going on.
You know, my hands are all over the place.
Anyways, everyone out there Thank you for watching.
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Do you have any Any crazy predictions for that game? Go ahead, my quick, quick, quick, quick.
You know? Well, you know, I don't really have a game prediction in terms of score yet, but let's just say that the team that I think will come out on top starts with C hands in an old has a bag in the middle of it, and that is team from the Windy City Bears bears it.
Wait, is **** You're gonna be coaching his disregard coaches all the time is omnipresent in Ah, that's perfect.
And I will make sure to have plenty of those, but it's actually I might just take your your your little sound bite.
Use that and say, because it sounded so great.
Like but, um no, My prediction.
Ah, Aaron Rodgers throws the ball way 37 times on Thursday night.
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