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00:00:00
What's up? This is gonna be a short stream.
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As you heard.
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Probably Adams leaving at 7.
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30 Raised leaving at 7.
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25.
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And I'm No, I'm just kidding.
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Eso no football tonight? None.
00:00:15
What in the world are we gonna talk about? Oh, my goodness.
00:00:18
Well, it's Thursday.
00:00:19
Every you can watch Jersey Shore.
00:00:21
Lawrence, Jersey Day.
00:00:25
Wait, wait, wait.
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Is that that's that's still going Jersey Shore is still a thing.
00:00:30
How is that possible? You gotta have some D j. Pauly D.
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You know, I just don't think that it's fair to have a bunch of people that aren't from New Jersey, representing my home state E there from Staten Island.
00:00:46
Isn't one of them from Jersey, aren't they? Yeah, one of them isn't Polly from Jersey.
00:00:52
He's actually a Jersey kid, right? He's the best one, and Paul he's and And let's face it, Paul, he is the best one on the show, so he's he's not really a Guido.
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He's just a fun loving guy.
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Represents, you know, Jersey gets to be honest, Jersey gets a bad rap because I was at a conference in New York City a couple years ago, but we stayed in the Meadowlands.
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We stayed in Jersey in Jersey is gorgeous, like I always had this this thought of Jersey being like this, like, little smelly place beside New York.
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It's not really It's amazing.
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The biggest misnomer is like when you go, it's our nickname is the Garden State.
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Never was like We mean the garden stand like there's actually there's a ton off outdoor, you know, Woods and beautiful green lush areas all across the state.
00:01:32
So listen to say the least, I'm not representing the state very well in my current attire.
00:01:37
But I'm here nonetheless, and I represent through eloquent thoughts around the NFL.
00:01:42
So, Lawrence, you know, set us up for this big matchup tonight between Ray and myself.
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I guess, Yes.
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Let's have that.
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Alright.
00:01:50
Eso We got the singer or whoever you know that that's in boxing versus the podcaster.
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Await? No, that was a boxing match that just went awful.
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The basketball player, first of youtuber? Yes.
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I'll be representing the role of Nate Robinson.
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Hey, Yes, E You know how it is.
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Right? Okay.
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All right.
00:02:21
So we had a big debate.
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Adam and I a little bit, um on you wanted to bring it up, so I will.
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I don't e don't care, either.
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We're talking about Probo Probo.
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Voting's going on right now.
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Social, the social media part of its kicking in.
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And you're seeing all these, uh, teams and players out there just out there.
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Vote for me.
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You know, if you click on this every Retweet, every, like, what, not councils a vote to get this player in the Pro Bowl or what not? And it's just become the Pro Bowl itself has become such a media thing that it it's almost now kind of pointless.
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In a way, it's it's more of a popularity contest.
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Whereas, you know, I still think the All Pro selections air. Still very.
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I want more sought after, but oh, I could tell you a lot about that. All Pro selections.
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Hold on.
00:03:19
Yeah, I got I got a pause it here, Lawrence, because you're making my case for me about how the Pro Bowl voting doesn't matter.
00:03:26
It's driven, it's not driven by anything.
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And you wanna link this toe Hall of Fame selections and I mean, listen, I debunked you through slack.
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I can we could go through it here if you need to.
00:03:36
But you could do what? Hey, we could.
00:03:39
Let's rehash it because the fact of the matter is that in today's Hall of Thing is a little bit different than what the Hall of Fame selections was 10 years ago.
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The Hall of Fame selections 10 years ago.
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Pro Bowl nods.
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We're actually a big deal when it came to getting into the Hall of Fame now today, it shouldn't be because it is a big Media BS thing that's going on but back.
00:04:07
Okay, But it doesn't matter if Russell Wilson retired tomorrow, would he? If he had no Pro Bowl selections, would he not go into the Hall of Fame on his stats? Would it matter that he was voted to a Pro Bowl or not? No.
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It wouldn't make any difference.
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He's never won an M V P for the season.
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Is that going to stop him from being a Hall of Famer? No, it's not going to Eli Manning, a greatly debated quarterback, about what the value of his total career is.
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I think it went to the Pro Bowl once or twice in his entire 15 16 year career, but he went to the Super Bowl twice, won the Super Bowl, twice had to Super Bowl MVPs.
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He'll go to the Hall of Fame, has nothing to do with it.
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So you don't like it.
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The idea that a pro and I said it to you in the slack feed if you if you line up two players at any position and you tell me that Player X went to the Pro Bowl three times in his career.
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But player, why statistically had consistency 10 consecutive years in the NFL.
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He's going to get in on the stats, the stats or would drive it.
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And you mentioned like his Pro Bowl.
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Put this Pro Bowl play a factor, Yes, but you kept labeling it as the the deciding factor for making or not making the Hall of Fame.
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That could not be any further down the list of things that are considered when it comes to players making the Hall of Fame.
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But I did say a deciding factor, not the deciding factor.
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You said the deciding factor.
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That's where you started.
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You said it's the deciding factor.
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And then as we worked our way through it, it eventually settled on as I embolden Lee caps.
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Elated it in the conversation? Yes.
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Is it a factor? Yes.
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Is it the factor? No, that's the only difference.
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That's the difference we're making here.
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You wanna put a little feather in the cap for going the Pro Bowl? That's fine.
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But the stats or what accomplishes the goal of making to the Hall of Fame? I do have right here the chat, it says pro.
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It says, I said at 11 29 AM Pro Bowls are a deciding factor in the Hall of Fame voting, even even a deciding factor.
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They're not.
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They they were before.
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I don't think they are now.
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Right now, I don't think they should have any kind of consequence at all, because it was also, there's also the pretty Pro Bowl era where everyone that means the Hall of Fame before the Pro Bowl was decided purely on the stats as well.
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So, again, the Pro Bowl.
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It does nothing to me.
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It means nothing to me.
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There's not a single player that you could list and tell me what he make it or not, and I would go and say, Hey, did he make it.
00:06:28
How many Pro Bowls did you goto that would have zero wait? Take away every Pro Bowl that Tom Brady's never been to? That means not getting the whole fame.
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Absolutely, he should never be.
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Oh, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just like, Yeah, but it's just it's a stat driven.
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It's a stat driven criteria, And there's also, by the way, there's also a ton of guys that go to the Hall of Fame, rightfully so that don't have necessarily statistical accomplishments that you should have.
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But it's based on the impact over the short legacy that they had in the league.
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Or it's the intangible thing.
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Like Eli Man is a great example of a guy who's gonna go in on intangibles and the two Super Bowls over anything that the stats would tell you because his stats are average journeymen style at best.
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But he gets the credit for being an Iron Man for always showing up, which, by the way, has value like you could make a case.
00:07:18
You could have squeezed another two or three years out of his career if he sat himself down two or three games in a handful of seasons where you had injuries, but I don't know.
00:07:25
I don't even like it doesn't even really, it doesn't grind my gears that much.
00:07:29
It doesn't really get me that much up in arms, but I'm just Yeah, I don't remotely care about this Pro Bowl voting whatsoever, And I wouldn't I wouldn't hold it against or put it in favor of anyone that was up on the Hall of Fame ballot.
00:07:40
No, but Pro Bowl Pro Bowls right now.
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Another thing that we got into was you know, whether or not the players actually care about it and yeah, okay, I say they do.
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And I think Darius Leonard, of course, he cares about everything.
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He cares whether or not the grasshopper said that he was the best or second best linebacker or worse white linebacker in the NFL.
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It doesn't matter, Ray.
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What are your thoughts on all this? Because you're sitting here just enjoying the show.
00:08:10
I didn't really want to get involved in this conversation.
00:08:13
I will throw out there, though, that this whole argument I believe that Keith jumped in the middle and just third the potting and disappeared and allows you guys just to go at it.
00:08:20
So but, um, listen, Pro Bowl, All Pro, that kind of stuff, All pros.
00:08:28
Well, um, I use that argument when it's convenient for me.
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And when it's not, I don't and because it's really those Air all stats that are irrelevant.
00:08:38
Uh, Tom Brady's a 14 time Pro Bowler, so you know, like he played on the best team for almost 20 years.
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He's got six Super Bowl rings.
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He's only been in All Pro three times, and it just happened to be the three years that he won m v p.
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So, basically, if your quarterback and you're not the most valuable player in the league, you're not going to be a first team all pro.
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Three times in 20 years.
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Six Super Bowls, multiple records.
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He's been in all pro three times.
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Um, none of that make.
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None of it matters to me.
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Um, you know, Lamar Jackson has been an All Pro a Pro Bowler and M v p.
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He doesn't look like a red trajectory right now that he's gonna be, ah, Hall of Famer.
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He can win a playoff game.
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You know what I mean? Um, the Pro Bowl is again.
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It's an argument that people will use when it's convenient.
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Uh, there.
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So this year, number one I found out that it's the teams that put their players up for for, ah, for the votes.
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So this year, the Patriots puts the Fong Gilmore and Jason McCourty as their two cornerbacks.
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Um J.
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C.
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Jackson, who was left off the list, was rated 10th on Pff.
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Jason McCourty was ranked 68th best cornerback in the NFL.
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Consider that most teams carry 2 to 3.
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You know that start? He was 68th.
00:10:06
Um, and we were like in the NFL.
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Had to step in and be like, No, no, no, no, no, no.
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And they added him to the Pro Bowl voting because at the first eight weeks of the season, he was one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.
00:10:19
Why did the Patriots do that? Because he's a free agent and he's gonna be in our F A this year, and he doesn't want to turn around and say, Hey, I went to the Pro Bowl.
00:10:27
It's like Do the players care? Of course they care.
00:10:29
It's a little notch on the thing. I'm a pro bowler.
00:10:32
I'm an all Pro.
00:10:33
Of course, it's a It's a personal accolade.
00:10:35
People like those.
00:10:36
But you know what? Go ask Patrick Mahomes right now.
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Or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and say, Do you prefer your Super Bowl ring or your M V P Award? You know, do you prefer that you played in 14 Super Bowls or that you are 14 Pro Bowls? Or that you want to ring? Because at the end of the day, when you make the argument for Peyton Manning being a first ballot Hall of Famer, if they gotta start laying the Pro Bowl argument to get him in and there's something wrong with the system anyways, well, I mean, heck, with the Pro Bowls, like you said, the M V P thing, I'm sure he would trade all four of his MVPs, as he had for an extra super boring.
00:11:10
You know, get well.
00:11:12
And I don't I don't I think the MVPs of stupid Award as well, right? And I've told you that we had this argument.
00:11:20
The last defensive player toe win toe win, defensive player of the year was the year I was born.
00:11:26
I believe that's what we looked up right.
00:11:28
It's the year I was born.
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Was the last time somebody one defensive player of the year.
00:11:33
So 34 a half years ago, Adams, 35 right? 34 a half years ago was the last time, Uh, he was so and then we looked it up.
00:11:45
It was a bunch of running backs and a bunch of quarterbacks after that.
00:11:49
So what is the M V P Award? Why can't a defensive player be the most valuable player on the team? I'll tell you one thing.
00:11:55
You talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers right now, I bet you it's gonna hurt mortar lose.
00:12:00
But the pre than it would have been to have to go with Mason Rudolph the rest of the year because Ben Roethlisberger and playing that great this season well, and by the way, like, likewise, rookie of the Year.
00:12:10
The reason why, if you look at the you know, the betting odds on that kind of stuff for an offensive lineman to get it or basically nothing, you know the odds are insane because they'll never give it to him.
00:12:19
It's always gonna be a position player is always gonna be a quarterback right where the odds they go any other way.
00:12:23
And a great non NFL related one is the M V P in the MBA.
00:12:27
Everyone agrees that until LeBron James retires, he should almost unanimously be the M V P every single year.
00:12:34
And there's been plenty of years where he should have won it.
00:12:36
And in a certain point, you get the M V P fatigue.
00:12:38
When are we gonna move on to the next guy? When is the guy who's deserving on it off it in a given season, going to check that box? It's just exactly conversation around Russell Wilson, right? He's deserved it before.
00:12:47
He should have been consideration.
00:12:49
He hasn't gotten votes, so maybe this year we just give it to him almost as a career achieve, You know, a career achievement award so that that's also why I think they're a little bit Fugazi.
00:12:57
And And, as Ray mentioned before, the reason why, you either don't want to recommend your player to get to a Pro Bowl or why the player wants to be named to the Pro Bowl.
00:13:05
It's all about which Keith did pop in and stir the pot and then duck out off.
00:13:09
It's all about the next paycheck.
00:13:11
It's all about the contract negotiation.
00:13:13
That's all that this amounts to is saying, Yes, I am a three time Pro Bowler and it doesn't matter whether or not we get into the fact that doesn't mean anything.
00:13:20
It means something in negotiations, and that's all they care about.
00:13:23
And that's by the way, why there's the PR push from all these players as well.
00:13:27
You keep notches on your belt.
00:13:29
You turn around the next time you hit the market and you get to point to those things and drive up your drive up what your market value is gonna be.
00:13:35
Well, in a perfect example, that is.
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To fund Gilmore on the Patriots is this is the most marketing I've seen him do.
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He's now offering Retweet.
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If you tweeted him a favorite picture with his Pro Bowl vote, he'll retweet you.
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So you know he's gonna get thousands of people that want to retweet from Stefan Gilmore.
00:13:49
By the way, so far has been three days.
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I'm still waiting for my retweet, but he's really pushing it out.
00:13:54
I guess it also happens to mean that Stefan guilt.
00:13:56
You know, it just happens to be that the most time he's marketing for him to go to a problems I didn't even see him even try last year.
00:14:02
But the most market is doing happens to be the year that he took a bunch of money from next year's contract and put it on this year's contract, and he's only set to make $8 million and probably gonna be on a sit out or some sort of trade and sign.
00:14:15
Um, and this happens to be the year that he wants toe.
00:14:18
He's already got defensive player of the year, But let's go back to back.
00:14:20
You know, he's got back to back all pros, maybe back to back Pro Bowls.
00:14:24
Funny thing about the Pro Bowl two years.
00:14:26
So Stefan Gilmore has just won back to back.
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All pros.
00:14:30
Didn't go to the Pro Bowl the first year that he won the All Pro like wasn't selected as a Pro Bowl contender.
00:14:36
Yeah, he was selected as a first team All Pro.
00:14:38
And by the way, then, when you get to the playoff picture right then you got the guys that, well, I'm in the playoffs, so I'm opting out of the Pro Bowl.
00:14:43
Then they rotate up the next guy behind them.
00:14:45
So you know whoever earned or hasn't earned it, you're gonna have guys that are rejecting the Pro Bowl.
00:14:50
So they're taking that off their tally and or the replacement guys that now get credit **** who just by statistical reasons or voting, didn't actually earn their way to the Pro Bowl to begin with.
00:14:58
So just Tom Brady is the perfect example of that.
00:15:02
He's been selected rating.
00:15:04
He's been selected to 14 Pro Bowls and went to nine Super Bowls in that time.
00:15:09
You know what I mean? Which means, you know what I mean.
00:15:12
He wasn't at five.
00:15:14
He went to five of his 14 Pro Bowls, which means some quarterback who wasn't elected as a Pro Bowler now has Pro Bowl on their resume because Tom Brady was in the Super Bowl.
00:15:23
Or, as Steve Harvey like to say, you're all at the awards because Tom Brady is still alive.
00:15:28
You know, there's a lot of mediocre quarterbacks were like, Oh, I know Tom starting to go out, you know what I mean.
00:15:35
He's not gonna go to the Super Bowl.
00:15:37
How the hell am I going to get to the Pro Bowl this year? What do you mean you're attending? No eso.
00:15:45
That's why Joe Flacco was still out there.
00:15:47
He's hope.
00:15:48
Oh, wait, no, Not only in the same conference anymore.
00:15:50
Joe Flacco, Hall of Famer Hall of Fame. Joe Flacco.
00:15:55
Oh, I can't even defend himself.
00:15:57
No, and I'm not even care.
00:15:59
Oh, yeah, He's just happy he got mentioned in the string.
00:16:04
Um, eso 16 minutes and we've fallen off the rails.
00:16:10
Right? Great.
00:16:12
We'll see.
00:16:13
This is difficult, man, because, uh, is there any more Thursday night? I know that Thursday Night Football is a middle of the year kind of thing or beginning, but I don't think there is Thursday Night Football's near the near the end of the season, but it feels like it's a little early for Thursday Night football toe Fall off.
00:16:29
I think this had everything to do with scheduling this week because I got something we can talk about.
00:16:36
Sure, we talked about.
00:16:38
There's a thrill the Patriots play next Thursday.
00:16:41
Oh, there's no Thursday Night Football.
00:16:44
Great. Uh, great.
00:16:47
A prime time game Guess.
00:16:49
Ram 11 30 against the Rams.
00:16:53
You know, I feel hungover after primetime games. I don't even drink.
00:16:57
When I watched him, I'm just so tired in the morning.
00:16:59
We have to get up, but because it's almost midnight for us because we're Eastern, you know? So yesterday, Roger Goodell said that the NFL is not going to move into a bubble.
00:17:11
Oh, or if they're gonna do a bubble, it's not gonna be the way the media is thinking, which is fine.
00:17:15
Here's the part that I really enjoy.
00:17:17
Don't know your guy's reaction, he said.
00:17:19
They're not gonna go into a bubble because the protocols that they put in place are working really well and they don't see the need for a bubble.
00:17:27
Uh, they're working at one point, I think, he said.
00:17:33
It's been truly remarkable how well accomplished, how well this is going for us.
00:17:37
Listen, you can theoretically say that the Dell looks at and says, like the protocols we have in place are really effective.
00:17:45
If everyone buys into them right, if everyone follows them, then they are really effective.
00:17:49
And that could actually be a true statement.
00:17:51
The problem is, is you're getting far too many sample sizes off guys not following the protocols.
00:17:56
And, you know, I will say it's easy to make that kind of statement because if you manage to make it through the rest of the season, I do think as the playoffs approach and the extra extra games we're gonna get there, all those teams are gonna be pretty onboard with it, right.
00:18:12
You assume that you're going to get those guys to be in lockstep.
00:18:15
There's a reason why, for the most part, we know the Ravens fell suspect to this, and that's there's certainly a team that's been in the mix and obviously have playoff plans.
00:18:22
But, like, you know, Denver Broncos, alright, it's a bunch of quarterbacks.
00:18:26
I mean, Drew lock.
00:18:27
It looks like he may find himself looking to be a backup somewhere if he doesn't clean up the way he's been playing early in his career.
00:18:33
Everybody else on that in that in that Q B room is a bunch of journeymen guys just, you know, on a bad team this year.
00:18:39
It just feels like a lot of them are kind of checked out around things.
00:18:41
So breaking these protocols for certain players that aren't interesting.
00:18:46
We talked about the thing back into being the year right? All three of us talked about this off.
00:18:49
You're going to see this happen? Is the year moves on the teams that aren't in it, that don't have anything to play for.
00:18:54
You're gonna start to see more and more guys pop up on that because what are they keeping it so locked in for if they don't really have any opportunity to be going to the playoffs? So I will be really curious to see what it looks like as you get closer to playoff time, as these teams get really refined about who's gonna make it or not.
00:19:08
And then whether or not you still see this test Well, here's the thing, though.
00:19:11
So, yes, Denver is a good example of a team was not in it.
00:19:14
But, uh, Indianapolis lost last week because their whole defensive line was sitting on the covert list.
00:19:19
They've got pretty good in a game that was really for the division, right? That locked the division for Indianapolis and they didn't have their best defender.
00:19:28
They didn't have one of their better linebackers.
00:19:30
There was just a whole bunch of things, uh, the Steelers, which I think it's a race because of how badly decimated the Ravens were.
00:19:37
The Steelers had five guys on the covert list, but I think a bunch of them were practice guys and whatnot.
00:19:42
Um, Julian Edelman is now on this.
00:19:44
I don't even know how the guy in the IR ends up on the covert list, but he's on the covert list.
00:19:50
Um, there was another team that just had to deal with a couple of other things that are in the NFC that were playoff contenders.
00:19:56
You know, Look at the New Orleans Saints.
00:19:58
They're gonna get fined for their locker room celebrations.
00:20:01
You what? I mean, because they're they're all basically making out with each other after thinking, Okay, they're dancing.
00:20:05
But it's, you know, um, I don't I think it's just I think that there's and I think this is a reflection of where we are as a society right now, and I think it's the same in the NFL.
00:20:14
I think that there's a covert fatigue, right? It's I'm sick of, um, my my podcast partner over on DPM commentary just got ah Cova test three days ago, because three people at his work tested positive for Covitz.
00:20:26
So he had to go get tested.
00:20:28
And he was telling me about the test and he said it felt like the scores.
00:20:31
I swear to God that thing was was touching my brain.
00:20:33
Yo, Tamina went so and then we started talking about these guys.
00:20:36
Get it twice a day.
00:20:38
You know what I mean? Like these guys, they're getting this test twice a day.
00:20:41
They're getting this thing shoved down up their nose and down their throat.
00:20:44
Um, we looked into it because we're trying to wonder if it's just that saliva test or if they're getting the full rapid test.
00:20:50
They're getting the full up the notes.
00:20:51
So twice a day they're getting problem probe.
00:20:53
They have to wear a mask.
00:20:54
They have to do this.
00:20:55
They're trying to run on a treadmill, wearing a mask.
00:20:57
They're getting frustrated with it.
00:20:59
And I think they're just covert fatigue.
00:21:00
And I think that that people are just like forget this like I'm done and we're starting to see it.
00:21:06
Could we see it in society? Right.
00:21:08
And you know that Indiana, I mean, the Denver Broncos to though is the was the perfect team toe happen to because it let's go back.
00:21:15
And Lawrence, I think there's a conversation you and I had, but the or no, I think it's me and Adam actually Nick Fangio when they postponed the Patriots game, you know, when a bunch of guys tested positive, basically came out and said, Well, now is the time we're going to see who are the men and who aren't, you know, like something along that lines.
00:21:30
And I'm not gonna let Cova dictate my life, and I'm still going to go out and I'm gonna do my groceries and you know, it's it's, you know, and we're going to see who's got the test, he said.
00:21:38
Some of the fortitude to get through things right now because who has the balls to get through this now is three quarterbacks get and he goes.
00:21:45
Maybe I should have done a better job of, you know, making sure they understood the policies.
00:21:49
No, you walked around basis saying Cove, it's not a big deal.
00:21:52
Now you guys got it.
00:21:53
Now you have to play without quarterbacks and your team look like *******s.
00:21:56
Week 12.
00:21:58
Good a time as any to say, Maybe I didn't do it the best, you know.
00:22:02
You know what? I've been thinking about it.
00:22:04
You know the second dog.
00:22:05
Guys, let's take a step back here.
00:22:07
I just watched my practice squad wide receiver basically a good rocked to sleep like a little baby by the opposing defense because they didn't want to physically break him on the field.
00:22:17
I don't know.
00:22:18
Maybe I'm just not the right guy for this job.
00:22:20
A leader that Can.
00:22:22
We talk about that, though, and give a little bit of credit to the the New Orleans Saints? I can't like they had him dead to rights on a sack, and there was a mic that moment.
00:22:34
You could hear the guy screaming, Go down, go down, go down! You know what I mean? So that they wouldn't kill him, You know what I mean? Like what's really interesting about it, too, is like it's not that that that that player isn't so small relative by in relative terms.
00:22:48
But it's interesting about guys that get away from the quarterback position, especially in the model of the Kyler Murray or of a to a or even you know a Russell Wilson.
00:22:55
They just a physically or they're built in a very kind of specific way where they look broader across the chest.
00:23:00
They look like there were sturdily constructed.
00:23:03
Every play you saw from that game when that kid was in the back field, I was like, Oh, my God, like it looked like it was like in my mind what it would look like if someone ever put me on an NFL field where you go, Oh, my God, don't get that child off of there.
00:23:14
He's gonna get trampled, you know? I mean, it is to your point, that is, it is really a credit to, ironically, a team that had such such interesting things around, you know, bounty.
00:23:22
Getting all that stuff back in the day to be a team was like, Hey, man, we've got you.
00:23:25
Please lay down on the ground.
00:23:27
Uh, because you know the players on the NFL to They all hate to see it when somebody gets hurt or injured.
00:23:32
And you're just like, dude, if we take, it's gonna there's gonna be a thing point in the wrong direction coming out of you At some point here, let's just get through this game, so Yeah, well, in the NFL, to like the size of NFL players is unbelievable.
00:23:46
Um, I was saying that to some of the other day.
00:23:48
I said, I don't think you know what, 64 £270 is until you're standing in front of 64 200 not.
00:23:55
I'm 61 to 70 but I'm not 61 to 70 full of muscle, you know what I mean? And that's a completely different £270.
00:24:03
It's now, once I start my PD cycle, I'll be good.
00:24:06
But I feel like Adam has something to say.
00:24:10
I think he's frozen.
00:24:12
That's the perfect.
00:24:13
That was the perfect reason.
00:24:14
Yeah, it waas it.
00:24:16
Waas No, you were like, I want to make a point.
00:24:22
Just Ray was so good on what he just said.
00:24:25
I could barely speak.
00:24:26
No, I was gonna say on the Giants like Leonard Williams, the dude is 653 40 like and I didn't even realize that until I got mentioned and I started thinking about like, boy, you know, he looks as Bigas Dexter Lawrence, who, you know, is our big boy and also is nimble and agile like Think about the 40 times that these guys run.
00:24:48
You talk about guys like you know, when we say, Oh, my God, look how slow that dude is.
00:24:51
He barely ran a 48 40 £350 guy Lyman sprinting down the line like that.
00:24:58
You are talking about guys that are the superior athletes and then to your point, really way.
00:25:03
No, we will talk to you.
00:25:04
Played offensive line thes.
00:25:05
We're also guys in their post playing career.
00:25:08
They shed pounds like it's going out of style because they're committed for a decade, plus of literally playing and doing something at an incredibly unhealthy Clinton.
00:25:16
Like in shape.
00:25:17
Is they? Are they? They're carrying around 60 £70 of excess weight that their body has no business handling.
00:25:24
Yeah, yeah, and I was an offensive lineman and I'm bringing this up again.
00:25:28
Not I'm flexing it again.
00:25:29
No, but I remember in college and we're talking Canadian ball.
00:25:34
None of these guys were going to the NFL.
00:25:37
I looked like Kyler Murray on the offensive line.
00:25:39
You know what I mean? Like I showed up in what? Where the hell am I like? It's unbelievable how big professional athletes.
00:25:46
Dude, when I was 14, I saw Shaquille O Neal at an airport.
00:25:52
Now I know that's a different thing.
00:25:55
I don't know if you guys are wrestling fans.
00:25:57
He's a person just like you and me. He's not a thing.
00:26:00
No, but you obviously haven't seen Shaquille O Neal in person.
00:26:05
I just I saw him walk through the airport and went, Oh, my mother of God, you know what I mean? Like, it's the specimen that he is, and he's not like onto me on TV.
00:26:18
He always kind of like a bigger sort of chubby your guy, right? Like he is solid like you.
00:26:23
What? I mean, like, it's It's crazy.
00:26:27
I'm trying to find a picture, actually, share it, you guys, how crazy athletes are, but I can't find it.
00:26:31
I met two old Blue Jay pictures a few years ago, and I took a picture with them and again 61 I was probably to 60 at the time, and I stood in between these guys and this picture is hilarious because they both got about five inches on me and they both got about £70 on me and they both still just their arms were still like that.
00:26:49
Big and solid.
00:26:50
And these guys are pictures.
00:26:53
Well, there's a couple things one Nate Robinson we're talking about in the boxing match way All think about Oh, my God, this guy is so tiny, you know, he would you be you fit underneath your shoe if you walked over top of him.
00:27:02
He's an inch taller than me.
00:27:03
Just to be just to be clear here, right? So some of the smallest guys think about MBA are actually taller than the average guy wandering around town on.
00:27:09
Then the other one is again from the Giants.
00:27:11
Se****, Barkley.
00:27:12
I remember when they gave the measurements of what one of his thigh muscles.
00:27:15
And I know that that's what he gets, you know, referenced by their enormous.
00:27:19
I can't remember what it was.
00:27:20
All I knew for sure is that I measured my own waste and I realized that I around in the thickest part of my body across my chest, was smaller than one of his thighs.
00:27:32
I was like, Okay, I'm all good here.
00:27:35
Friends no more, no more.
00:27:36
Two hand touch for me out there with the boys know.
00:27:38
You know, Dude, when I saw Cam Newton on the field for the first time, was a patriot, he was standing beside Julian Edelman and I was just like, My God, he's enormous, You know what I mean? Like, he's absolutely on.
00:27:50
It's like he's a quarterback.
00:27:53
You know what I mean? I believe, but I've had this new.
00:27:56
I told Corner this year, the night I had this new definition.
00:27:58
Cam Newton is a freak of an athlete that happens to play quarterback.
00:28:03
That's my new definition of him.
00:28:05
He's not a quarterback, he's a an athlete who happens to play the quarterback because I think you could go line them up a tight end.
00:28:11
I think you could, you know what I mean.
00:28:12
He's a little slower now, but you could probably put him is a bit of a stretch receiver like he's just a freak.
00:28:18
When your point is like it's like at a point in his career, you could have shifted him to some another position and he would have gotten to that same point, right? Let's let's give quarterbacks a little bit of respect.
00:28:29
Also, when it comes to getting hit.
00:28:31
I mean, yes, you have that practice God, practice squad, wide receiver and everybody.
00:28:36
I've seen a lot of stuff.
00:28:37
Uh, well, wide receivers get hit all the time, but they get hit by 100 192 £110 defensive backs, you know, running full force.
00:28:45
Imagine getting blindsided by a £340 guy on a consistent basis.
00:28:50
That would be awful.
00:28:52
And a quarter? Yes, exactly.
00:28:55
Like right.
00:28:56
Like, you know, we talked about Tom Brady earlier.
00:28:58
That guy man, today he's, what, 96 or something like that, and he's getting a lit up from behind all the time right now.
00:29:07
I mean, no wonder these older quarterbacks like Ben Roethlisberger right now, as they pointed out on the on the Wednesday night foot or Wednesday afternoon football game.
00:29:18
That he was getting rid of the ball at 2.
00:29:20
2 seconds clip is because he don't want he's tired of getting hit, you know.
00:29:25
Speaking of which, Tom Brady is 642 30.
00:29:28
So he's, uh, he was.
00:29:30
He was bigger than me when I played offensive linemen, you know, like and he's just like the scrawny quarterback rocking the dad bod.
00:29:38
Now let's even like whatever he knows the Giants like Eli Manning in that championship run against the 40 Niners when it was like his job was to keep throwing the ball, knowing that he was going to be getting slapped to the ground.
00:29:53
You talk about the size of these guys, right? Like Eli Manning is not a pushover, dude.
00:29:57
And he was getting dropped to the ground by 300 plus pound lineman play after play after playing, that's all.
00:30:05
It's always wise as a pure Giants fan. I looked the man.
00:30:08
I just go.
00:30:09
I got nothing but respect.
00:30:10
I know everyone always goes like, look, the way he turns away from those throws and kind of goes crumple mode after, Yeah, you're doing 16 weeks in a row for 15, 16 years, you're gonna want to turn away from those things And the fact that, I mean, just in general the fact that these quarterbacks don't break limbs that don't you know they don't suffer.
00:30:27
I'm and I'm actually probably more to the point, the fact that these guys do have injuries consistently every single year, every single week of their careers, and they keep going out and doing it.
00:30:37
I just, you know, go out.
00:30:38
There are no more evident than at the quarterback position.
00:30:41
Oh, especially when you talked about and still going out there.
00:30:44
Philip Rivers is what, the second longest active streak for a player right now or something like that, you know, behind, uh, Brett Farve.
00:30:52
And he's getting crushed.
00:30:55
I mean, he's never had a decent offensive line until this year.
00:30:58
So, you know, he was getting crushed year after year after year and still getting up and playing with horrific injuries.
00:31:03
You know, I have incredible respect for for players just for be able to get up and go out there and play well, By the way, Rivers is a guy that like and you see the wear and tear, right? I mean, like, you could just like he looks like a guy that's been around it and has gone through it.
00:31:18
Some guys come out of it relatively, okay.
00:31:19
I mean, you know, Brett Farve, circa Minnesota Vikings.
00:31:24
You started to see that was getting old.
00:31:26
But I mean, Brett Farve was a dude look spry all the way through the Jets run when he was there for a season, right? Like And that was a dude that, relatively speaking, played his career with pretty much, you know, total abandoned.
00:31:37
You know John Elway.
00:31:39
There's a guy that by the end of his career, when he makes that faithful leap and get smart around, there you go.
00:31:44
Oh, boy, pick up that bag of skin bones there that give him a ring and get him off the field because he was literally dragging his body across the finish line there.
00:31:54
Oh, and I was looking Peyton Manning in his final career or his final Super Bowl, right? It's the same thing, and I think it's just it goes beyond quarterbacks and just football.
00:32:02
I think it just goes beyond, like, professional sports in general, right? Like so.
00:32:08
I'm from Canada, so they're they're all hockey players here, right? And what they say they have respect for football.
00:32:15
That's a contact sport.
00:32:16
But the respect for basketball it's getting a lot better here in this country now because more and more young we all grew up being basketball fans and now we're adults, so basketball is more popular when we were kids with all the You know, old boy hockey fans like old basketball.
00:32:29
You know, you talk to God and there's a foul on blah, blah, blah.
00:32:31
You know, you go get bounced in the paint from shack and get up.
00:32:35
You know what I mean? Like go up when he blocks you and puts his entire frame into you and knocks you to the court at full speed.
00:32:42
Um, there's other things, like it's, you know, in soccer there's a lot of diving, I admit it, but there's times something will happen. Um, I'll go.
00:32:50
Come on And I'll say, You know what? I want you to run at full speed, and I'm just gonna clip the back of your ankle when you run by me, you know? I mean, just doing this into the side of your kids while you're trying to work your way down the field and you soccer for the hardest wants Thio.
00:33:03
Oh, no, because there is diving, but it's there.
00:33:07
But it's even like baseball.
00:33:09
So a buddy of mine played college ball.
00:33:11
He threw a 72 mile an hour fastball.
00:33:14
72.
00:33:15
Okay, that's nothing when you talk.
00:33:17
Compared to Major League Baseball, and I made contact on one of his 72 mile an hour fastballs once, and I thought, my friggin arms, we're gonna fall off.
00:33:25
It hurt so much.
00:33:27
And I just thought, How do these guys hit 100 mile an hour? Fastballs? You mean like and not have their arms fall off for Stink? Because it hurts.
00:33:34
It hurts so much.
00:33:36
And he threw it 72.
00:33:38
I was actually playing catch for softball.
00:33:41
Fast pitch softball, not the slow pitch.
00:33:43
And I was stupid young and was looking over at some girls because I was a teenager, right? As the guy threw two years ago, e was like looking over last week.
00:33:57
Honey, it was funny.
00:33:58
It was I was a teenager.
00:34:00
E think I was 16 when this happened.
00:34:03
So a long, long, you know, back in the dark ages.
00:34:07
Um, but they actually mile per hour.
00:34:12
These and we had one of the fastest pitchers in the state, and I was stupid enough to go.
00:34:17
Wow, you know what? These girls and didn't pay attention and got a fast fit 66 miles an hour.
00:34:22
Softball hit me dead in the chest.
00:34:24
All right.
00:34:25
I'm telling you, if I took it went down, didn't get up for about 20 minutes.
00:34:31
I had to go to the hospital, get checked out from broken ribs, that kind of stuff.
00:34:35
Those guys out there on the at the pictures that get beamed in the head by fastballs.
00:34:42
Uh, no, not those 90 mile an hour thing.
00:34:46
No.
00:34:47
You ain't getting how they get back up and go run the one.
00:34:49
Forget the head.
00:34:50
Okay, if I got a anymore, if I got it in the ribs at 90 miles an hour, that would be my season.
00:34:57
So I think what we're proving here is is none of us are professional athletes.
00:35:01
That's what we're saying here.
00:35:03
Is that it would Yeah. I made the choice.
00:35:05
I was getting a lot of scholarship offers.
00:35:06
Um, but I chose to I chose to turn him down a lot of endor*****ts.
00:35:12
You know what? I I I chose to go with the National park bandanna.
00:35:16
It was a bad, bad decisions.
00:35:17
No, no.
00:35:18
Look, I went through the same thing, man.
00:35:19
After after Canadian college.
00:35:20
When, you know, nobody know, scouts showed up.
00:35:22
I got some calls from, like you know, the Giants and the Patriots, and they're like, Hey, dude, we're looking for a, really, really like beyond undersides, like little person to come play offense, you know? You know, it didn't work out for you with Canadian football.
00:35:37
So as a fallback, maybe the NFL could be an option for you.
00:35:41
Our quarterback is bigger and heavier than you, but we want you to come collect.
00:35:45
His blindside comes, come protect his blind side if you could.
00:35:49
Oh, no, it's crazy like it's insane.
00:35:53
How big and I was playing with elite athletes who were nowhere near good enough to even be on a practice squad in the NFL.
00:36:01
You know what I mean? I have, ah, cousin who played all the way through high school.
00:36:05
I don't think hey had an opportunity to go and play to college, and maybe it would be, too, or something like that here in the States.
00:36:10
But I remember at the time I asked him anything.
00:36:13
I'm not doing it, and I was like, Oh, like, why didn't you? Because he played linemen all through high school and he's a big He's a big guy.
00:36:19
He's probably probably maybe interest you taller than you, Ray, and brought across the top like, you know, well built.
00:36:24
And he was like, I'm just not big enough.
00:36:27
And I don't remember.
00:36:28
I was like, I was like, Oh, he's like, the only thing they suggested to him was if you could If you're quick enough, maybe you could try to be a full back.
00:36:35
You know, you could try to be a lead blocker for somebody they're like, but like, you just don't have what you're going to need the next level and again at the time when we were, you know, just out of high school and get into college and stuff.
00:36:44
I remember being like, but you're one of the biggest guys I know.
00:36:47
They were like, maybe if you're lucky, you could grab on is like a fullback, which is just obviously the the antithesis of, like, my right, my or my left tackle when I played.
00:36:57
So I played left guard in sir.
00:36:58
His name is Sergio Simmons, and he actually watches his show, so he's probably gonna be happy. I'm calling him out.
00:37:03
His name is Sergio Simmons.
00:37:04
He just retired from, like the Canadian Junior League, which is like semi pro here in Canada, which is below our professional league, which is semi pro compared to the NFL.
00:37:14
But he played two years in the CFL.
00:37:17
He was 6 ft three.
00:37:19
He weighed about £300.
00:37:21
He was a big boy, right? Showed up to the CFL.
00:37:24
The first thing they said is, unless you know how to grow, you're not gonna have much of a career here.
00:37:28
And sure enough, he never got on the field because it was at 6 ft three.
00:37:32
He was too short to be an offensive lineman in the CFL.
00:37:36
Like in the Canadian Football League, where all the guys all the division one guys who don't get picked up to an NFL practice squad come and play in the CFL.
00:37:46
We've had some guys like Brandon Browner started his career here.
00:37:48
Doug Flutie started his career after he got cut from the NFL.
00:37:51
Like we've had some guys who have, you know, Vander Jack and them all start in the CFL.
00:37:56
Steve Young passed through there, right? Not Steve Young new, uh, Joe Theismann, Uh, starting started with the Toronto Argos here with us 12 gray cups and then went toe Washington and won one Super Bowl with them.
00:38:11
But it was a lot different, like, but the whole thing was like We get guys that are either like Michael Bishop was the quarterback of the Argos here for a long time.
00:38:20
He was Drew Bledsoe's backup.
00:38:22
He's Tom Brady took his spot, You know what I mean? So then he couldn't get it.
00:38:27
But we lose all our all our top players in the CFL like you get the occasional guy like the Brandon Brown and stuff that go and have career.
00:38:34
Dontrelle Inman was a Toronto Argo won a great cup with us.
00:38:37
He's starting with Washington right now, I believe, but for the most part is we lose our guys to practice squads like we lost the Argos this year, lost their best wide receiver to the Miami Dolphins practice squad.
00:38:51
What? I mean, So the guy who would have made the most money in the CFL, which had been a million dollars, that's it.
00:38:56
You know what I mean By going up to Miami practice squad, he automatically gets 500 grand, but they can make up.
00:39:02
The two were as reading.
00:39:03
Are they could make up to 2.
00:39:04
2 million on the practice squad if they don't get cut.
00:39:07
And they reached this milestone in that milestone.
00:39:09
So we lose them to practice squads.
00:39:11
Well, you know, they don't instead of starting, and it's a different game here.
00:39:14
It's three downs, not four downs.
00:39:16
It's a bigger football, a bigger field.
00:39:18
We, uh, we have 110 yard field or 105 yard field, not 100 not 100 yard field.
00:39:25
Because we have a 55 yard line.
00:39:26
That's a half is a 55 yard line.
00:39:29
I'm learning a lot of stuff about Canadian football that I didn't realize that it's slightly alarming to me way play with 12 men instead of 11.
00:39:38
Well, z even sport.
00:39:40
I mean, what's going on up there? Okay, So first of all, the CFL has been around the league started 140 years ago.
00:39:46
So it's been around longer than the NFL or any of them can't seem to dominate the landscape off professional football.
00:39:53
This is the problem we gave you guys.
00:39:55
Warren Moon.
00:39:56
We gave you a Doug Flutie we gave you.
00:40:01
Think we gave you Doug Flutie.
00:40:02
You know, he was a PC doing his thing before he made his way north of the border.
00:40:07
Yeah, he did nothing.
00:40:10
He got drafted to the Patriots and got cut.
00:40:12
So he came in one like sixth grade cups in Canada.
00:40:16
Use to show your friend that was That was Steve Young.
00:40:20
Was USFL in the States for the Los Angeles Express.
00:40:24
If that tickles anyone's fancy a team that I have no clue about anything.
00:40:28
I think that Jim Kelly started in the USFL, too, because his rookie card is the USFL card.
00:40:34
You know that, by the way, if you have a mint condition USFL set from that year, it's worth like $800.
00:40:41
So anybody who still has a kicking around sell it, It's ah, you know, the worst part.
00:40:46
Thio to sidetrack a show that's been sidetracked.
00:40:49
I would never kid with anything like I was in the Star Wars when I grew up, I was a big beetles kid.
00:40:57
And when they when they came out with, like, Yellow Submarine, there's like official, you know, really official made figurines all this different stuff.
00:41:03
Same thing for like Star Wars figurines when news came out and always right in the case, and I was like, I was a kid.
00:41:10
I was like, Well, ripped that thing open.
00:41:11
Let's start poking around with it here.
00:41:13
There was no guy I could not bring myself to be like my parents.
00:41:17
You know, my dad like, Hey, this could be a collector's item And I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna go dunk it in the toilet and E can open up But you know, I'm a bone legal polar, as he would, as he would say, and I just I could not do that same thing with, like, even trading cards.
00:41:31
I liked having them, but I was a kid that wants, like, take them out of their sleeve and keep looking at the stats and then put him back in football the edges and then turn out that have to be totally worthless and eventually throw them away and have them, you know, you completely useless.
00:41:43
So credited kid out there who could respect that kind of.
00:41:46
Yeah, I'm a card collector now, and I buy cards that I know I owned when I was a kid that I had epic battles, you know, what I mean epic hockey games or epic football games where they were just crushing each other.
00:42:00
It was man and just destroyed them on the ice, ripping up Pavel Berry rookie card.
00:42:07
Yeah, I only wish I had the cards that I had E had Reggie White rookie cards and everything else.
00:42:19
My goodness, man.
00:42:20
Growing up, I was a huge card collector and then I got out.
00:42:24
I blew my knee out after the state championship game and realized I don't wanna play football leading anymore, even though I had scholarships to go to college is, but the pain was too much.
00:42:35
And I just so again respect to NFL players, you know, because I know what it's like to have to come back from that and I wanted no part of it.
00:42:43
And but I had all these cars.
00:42:46
I ended up giving them away because I wanted nothing to do with football for like a year and a half two years after that injury.
00:42:52
And I wish I had them back because, like I said, I had the entire 1986 NFL tops collection.
00:43:01
When I go to card shows and I'm buying stuff like the big convention and stuff.
00:43:06
There's always guys like Lawrence walking around going.
00:43:09
I usedto have this card and not card, and now I'm paying you $140 for it.
00:43:15
I had the mall and it's either my mother threw them out or I gave up.
00:43:19
You know, you said You said You said the show was off the rails or is never a rail to begin with that way literally walked in here with no plan.
00:43:29
Can we just admit people? We started talking a minute before the show? What are we gonna We all thought we were doing a pre game tonight? Let's just admit how astute we are at our jobs.
00:43:37
Here's the reality.
00:43:38
Here is the reality of your friends, By the way.
00:43:40
Well, you also tell it's going off the rails because I had this, at least in my mind, if I keep myself right about here, you know? But where the bandanna That's okay.
00:43:47
It's respectable.
00:43:48
And the problem is, is I've turned my head down occasionally.
00:43:51
E, get that East Ventura to kind of vibe after they mess with him in that tribe.
00:43:58
So, yeah, things have not gone great let's just say and that.
00:44:00
But in the pre show, things didn't go great.
00:44:04
Live on air.
00:44:05
I'd say we're pretty much crushing it.
00:44:06
E think we are.
00:44:08
You want to get into that? You want to get to the P.
00:44:10
D.
00:44:11
S? You wanna start taking them right? You're you're trying.
00:44:14
You're trying to revive your career.
00:44:15
I need Yes, I believe that I could get back into the game.
00:44:18
I know most people are retired at my retired at my age, but I'm I'm gonna make my comeback.
00:44:23
No, Will Fuller and Roby got suspended both for banned substance, six games apiece.
00:44:29
So they're done for the season.
00:44:30
And this is actually gonna be a very heavy topic on our podcast night.
00:44:34
But I wanted to throw it out to you guys and get your opinion.
00:44:36
So I'm a guy who actually iss so split on performance enhancing drugs because I know the effects that it can have on younger kids in college and high school kids.
00:44:47
I feel like they need to take it to get older.
00:44:49
But I'm also a guy that always sits there and goes Man, baseball was better with steroids.
00:44:56
You know what I mean, when I think of the Mark McGwire days and the Sosa's and the Barry Bonds and just, you know, you knew you were gonna go to a ball game and see at least four home runs and that kind of thing, and it's like, you know, you watch and and it's they used to be, you know, meat robots, right? And now they're like, they're humans and it's It's frustrating right now, but it's a thing.
00:45:15
It's like PDS or band.
00:45:16
If you take me to be suspended, that's not my argument here, right? What do you guys think, though, about professional athletes? To do this? For a living who are entertainers? That's what they are. We got to see what they are.
00:45:28
We watch sports for entertainment, right? It's not a way of life.
00:45:31
I don't know.
00:45:32
I'm split because I don't want a younger generation to take steroids.
00:45:36
But I'm looking to professional athletes going these air adults that could make decisions, you know what I mean? Are you guys really opposed to steroids? Okay, there are situations where I am opposed to it, but it's on a different level.
00:45:51
I don't think well, especially with the NFL.
00:45:54
The NFL is full of guys who are Aziz.
00:45:56
You guys we've been talking all day are just massive, monstrous people that they don't need it for us to enjoy the game that we're watching.
00:46:05
It was just a flat back.
00:46:07
They work out, they take their protein shakes and all that other stuff and their shots that they need tohave toe, go out there and play with the pain that they're they're going through, which, by the way, happens every game toe, like at least three or four different people.
00:46:22
I'm telling you that it happens in high school if you don't know about it.
00:46:25
But but most guys aren't taking HGH to get big.
00:46:28
No, you're taking it to hell.
00:46:30
You know what I mean? That's the whole thing.
00:46:31
It's a recovery.
00:46:33
It's like it's like, you know, if you're if you're trying to get over something, I think there should be a time frame where you're okay that the NFL is okay with it.
00:46:45
Uh, like Robert Mathis.
00:46:47
In the last couple years of his career, he was hit for having PD in the system, right, and was nailed with a massive fine.
00:46:57
Come to find.
00:46:58
You know what that p D was? It was a Perella T enhancement drugs that his doctor gave him because he was trying to get his wife pregnant.
00:47:06
Well, Ben Watson was suspended for the first four games of the season last year because he actually thought he was retiring after this season.
00:47:13
Right this season before wind saw his doctor.
00:47:16
And, you know, his body was beat up from playing professional football.
00:47:18
So they put him on a steroid regimen, toe Thio.
00:47:21
He was some healing, and they decided to go back to football.
00:47:24
And he had taken a test before he made that decision.
00:47:27
Knew was gonna be dirty because he hadn't retired.
00:47:29
U I thought I'm retired anyways, whatever.
00:47:30
And then decided to go back to football When? When The patriots of the site and says, Hey, I gotta tell you something.
00:47:35
I'm gonna get suspended because I tested dirty, because here's what happened, right? That's my thing.
00:47:39
You got a guy like Joe Burrow right now.
00:47:41
I'm not saying guys should go to the gym.
00:47:43
You don't get a shot in the ass in the in the locker room.
00:47:46
You what? I mean, like the old you? Nobody.
00:47:48
You know, the old school bodybuilders seventies? Yeah, the same sort of God, but no.
00:47:55
But a guy like Joe Burrow who's got all these, you know, he's basically got his whole knee reconstructed.
00:47:59
At what, 20 held 23 24 years old.
00:48:02
You know, steroids can help with the healing process that can help with the building process.
00:48:06
It can strengthen the knee when he goes back that perhaps he can have a full career because he can come back from this injury from a full recovery and never be the same.
00:48:14
Ella Carson Wentz.
00:48:16
So Okay, so here's my thing about it, though, because the very surface thing is, you wanna take stairs.
00:48:24
Go ahead.
00:48:25
Well, you're talking about competitive balance.
00:48:27
You can't make guys that don't want to use steroids. Use steroids.
00:48:30
Now I know.
00:48:31
Then we say, Well, we're talking about the healing process, and that's true.
00:48:34
But look, go back and look at the old tape of the NFL 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
00:48:41
These guys don't look the same.
00:48:42
So there's there's a big difference. Maybe they're not.
00:48:45
Look, you said they're not looking to get jacked up out of their minds, But it's like in baseball.
00:48:49
It wasn't just about being able to hit a home run the way that Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were.
00:48:54
It was about being able to get your bad around faster.
00:48:57
It's about being able to have the reaction time to speed the quickness.
00:49:00
Talk about a will Fuller.
00:49:01
You wouldn't on the surface go like I probably uses steroids.
00:49:04
Yeah, well, guess what if you're kind of your thing is kind of being a burner wide receiver, and that's pretty much all that you are.
00:49:10
And that's what your predicated on doing a little bit of steroids is gonna keep you fast.
00:49:15
It's gonna keep you fast into your late twenties.
00:49:17
It's gonna prevent you from falling off.
00:49:19
The cliff is, you get into your thirties, and if you talk about guys that aren't gonna get a contract because Will Fuller still in the league right instead of a younger player having an opportunity on a roster getting a pay day, you know there's a lot of there's a lot of integrity, the game kind of stuff.
00:49:32
But there's just a lot of things that it's hard to balance that out and say, All right, everybody started doing steroids.
00:49:38
Let's get this thing going.
00:49:39
And by the way, they've also said to that part of the reason why you see more and more injuries, not even NFL, even the in baseball, too.
00:49:46
It's because when you're such a finely tuned machine, right, I may be not afraid if you use this ****ogy or not.
00:49:52
But the idea of you know we have, like a really ***y sports car that thing is like go for a cruise around and get people to look at you and think, Oh my God, that's amazing because guess what? It's gonna break down as you turn around the corner.
00:50:04
It's going to go into the shop.
00:50:05
It's gonna be maintenance and upkeep all the time.
00:50:08
Whereas a Honda Civic, that thing is gonna keep getting where you need to go.
00:50:12
It's always gonna be serviceable.
00:50:13
It's never gonna win your drag race.
00:50:15
But it will always be on the road for you.
00:50:16
And that's kind of the difference here.
00:50:18
And I don't I don't know if, especially the NFL.
00:50:22
I just don't think there's any going back on what the game looks like now.
00:50:27
I don't think that fans could make that adjustment, whereas in baseball I would make the argument that steroid use and what that did to the game even after they moved it out.
00:50:36
Basically, it was, well, everybody loves the long ball.
00:50:39
So now how do we manufacture that? And now you have a bunch of guys that air striking out Mawr doing the launch angle, trying to get this thing out of the out of the park and the quality of the game.
00:50:49
The style of the game is completely been diminished.
00:50:53
I don't know if it's worth putting on because I'm not a big baseball fan these days, but a game where there's hitting runs and bunts and moving runners over, and all those kind of intangible things like that's the best thing that baseball could ever hope to be.
00:51:06
This version of baseball, which is the product of steroid error, is not a good game.
00:51:12
It's not a good product.
00:51:13
That's why baseball is flailing about what they're going to be.
00:51:15
No and well in the Major league baseball, they just juice up their balls, right.
00:51:18
I mean, they're still denying it.
00:51:20
But even Rawlings has admitted they were Yeah, they were made to juice up the baseball.
00:51:24
Yeah, the baseball, baseball, but to give more lunch.
00:51:27
But okay, but let's talk about it because I'm just talking PDS and sports in general.
00:51:30
I'm not just talking specifically to football because I think about pitchers in baseball.
00:51:34
And I read, um, I read Tom hankies book.
00:51:37
I don't know if you guys know who Tom Hanky ways he used to.
00:51:39
He was a picture on the Blue Jays and he was talking about all the problems that he had after baseball with his arm.
00:51:46
And he went and saw, you know, like one of the best Ortho surgeons in the world, right? And the guy basically said to him, pitching is the most unnatural thing that somebody can do to their body.
00:51:57
The human body is not designed to crank your shoulder back, turn your wrist and put your elbow at that direction And throw is hard as you move your arm and emotion is hard as you can ah, 100 times a game.
00:52:09
You know what I mean? Or if you're a reliever, you know, 506 100 times Ah, year.
00:52:14
And it just has huge, huge day.
00:52:16
And that's why all those guys now as 16 year olds, are getting elective Tommy John surgery to get those tenants removed.
00:52:23
What I mean, and now they're doing things to alter their body to pitch.
00:52:26
This doctor told him that with the new human growth hormones, right that you can avoid a lot of those shoulder deterioration, elbow deterioration, risk deterioration that these pictures air getting it wouldn't even it might put a mile on their fastball.
00:52:46
You what? I mean, it's not gonna do anything that with the movement, it's not gonna do anything else.
00:52:50
But it's gonna keep all of that intact in a place where you could see pictures actually have.
00:52:55
I mean, every great pitchers had a surgery like when you put it that way.
00:52:58
Every great pitchers had a surgery on their arms somewhere around the line because the human body is just not designed to move that way, right? So I wonder if we've got to start looking at exceptions to some of these rules.
00:53:09
Yeah, the ball is gonna go from 96 95 96.
00:53:12
You know, that's actually not that big of a difference.
00:53:15
You know what I mean, it's not gonna do anything to the movement.
00:53:18
You know, steroids isn't gonna change the movement of your ball.
00:53:20
You still have toe have know how to pitch to move.
00:53:23
But that's not it's not. It's not true, though.
00:53:25
It's not true, because the snap, the snap that you can get on it is increased.
00:53:29
If if you're if you're supplementing with now and by the way, for perceptually just the idea of like what steroids was versus what HDs HDs has a ton off functional strong applications that are worthwhile using.
00:53:41
But again, like I I lean more in the direction off.
00:53:44
Okay, why don't you go ahead and build up the mound a little bit more? Because then you get the downward angle and that changes that gives an advantage to a picture.
00:53:52
Why don't you move them out a little bit closer to home plate? You have to take into account about the risk of getting hit potentially whatever.
00:53:57
But if you move the mound three yards closer to home plate, and now all of a sudden, throwing 70 miles an hour actually looks like 90 miles an hour now, pictures don't have to put his much strain on their arm to get that velocity up, so on.
00:54:11
And this isn't me going against it.
00:54:13
It's just me, you know.
00:54:14
I think that there are there are non.
00:54:16
We'll call it invasive ways off, creating the same level of excitement around a given sport without having to be having it to be like we need to go ahead and start injecting ourselves or taking hormones or potentially putting ourselves in a health risk in that time taking spectrum.
00:54:30
And that's the idea is about kids, right? How do you avoid this just becoming the standard of what kids know they're gonna dio? How do you avoid kids saying it's 16? I'm getting elective Tommy John surgery because it's just the nature off what it is to play baseball.
00:54:42
Um, you know, And on top of which two, unlike baseball and maybe it should be looked at the same way.
00:54:47
There's something about you wanna get awfully philosophical around a sport that I enjoy.
00:54:51
Watching NFL is not a natural sport for human beings to play.
00:54:55
There's a reality of Hey, guess what? This isn't what we should be doing.
00:54:58
Yeah, the human brain.
00:55:00
There's room in there for the brain to move around.
00:55:03
It's not supposed to be knocking against the wall all over and over again, right? I mean, this isn't not breaking new ground here, but we culturally like it too much, right? So we can't let it go.
00:55:13
I mean, that's just a mechanism of how of how the human mind works in that regard of Yeah, we get it.
00:55:20
You guys were all severely injuring your bodies and potentially giving yourself long term health risks.
00:55:25
And that stinks.
00:55:26
So we're gonna make this a really a really frugal sport.
00:55:31
Really, really financially viable sport.
00:55:33
So now if I tell you, I'll pay you millions of dollars to break your body.
00:55:37
Guess what? You're more inclined to do that.
00:55:39
That if I said, would you do it for the love of the game? So maney athlete to use that line.
00:55:43
But if I told you I was only gonna pay you minimum wage to do it, you see a lot of guys walking off the N F field NFL fields, walking back into colleges and saying, Hey, what what are my long term goals here and how do I sustain myself? Flew there is that balance of it, you know there is, and you and it is in football is very unnatural.
00:55:59
Support another sport that I've always been a combat sport fan and participant box Love the box on gun.
00:56:05
I really got into UFC when it became really not when it was like a street fight, but when it became regulated and became mixed martial arts and you had really martial art artists in there and soccer is a sneaky is a sneaky, sneaky concussion.
00:56:20
Sport is well, they're under reported.
00:56:23
I played football, soccer and box and had more injuries and more concussions in soccer than I had in boxing and football and hockey I played hockey is well grown up, but I agree with you.
00:56:33
I watch the fights and I'm watching guys pound each other and stretch limbs and do things that's unnatural.
00:56:40
And look it and I go and I watch it and go right like, uh, but both my kids were training a mixed martial arts right now.
00:56:47
You know, I've had the minute since they were six years old.
00:56:48
They go to a martial arts gym.
00:56:49
My one daughter is working towards a black belt in mixed martial arts.
00:56:53
See what I mean? She goes toe.
00:56:54
It's owned by Terry Riggs, who trained Carlos Newton, who is a former UFC champion.
00:56:59
You what? I mean, this guy's like a 10 time judo champion of the world champion, and it's like I'm setting my kids up to that.
00:57:05
Are excited to get into a cage and fight, you know what I mean? And yet I'll sit there and watch the fight on TV and go, Oh, God, you know, like, Oh, it's so yeah, you're right, it's we do.
00:57:16
It's almost like watching the train wreck, right? It's like, 00 she's gonna get hit.
00:57:20
She's gonna get hit But we never take her eyes away, you know, even though we know what the end result is gonna be.
00:57:25
Okay, so, um, I'm going to admit I've only watched one soccer full soccer game from beginning to end in my life, and I'm admitting this because an injury that happened on the soccer field and I have a question for Ray on.
00:57:40
Does soccer have an ejection system? Because I watched this game where ah guy on defensively was coming at an offensive guy.
00:57:53
He slid to take the ball away and he was going to get it.
00:57:58
And the guy with the ball then went down, angled his shoe up and planted his cleat right in the face of the other guy.
00:58:06
Alright? And dropped him like a rock.
00:58:09
And he was not ejected from the game.
00:58:12
I'm a, uh that right there, Lawrence, that's a message.
00:58:17
Don't try to slide that.
00:58:18
Dont slide.
00:58:19
Yeah, that's a That's a good move.
00:58:21
I used to like sliding with my spikes up.
00:58:24
No, but and soccer You'll hardly ever see the offensive player get the foul.
00:58:31
Right? Um, he's gonna say that he took me out with the slide.
00:58:35
And when it all depends when you watch to soccer has changed a lot.
00:58:39
It goes through, I find out, Um, I don't know if you could say this, too.
00:58:42
I find, like, every like, 8 to 10 years.
00:58:44
It's sort of transitions into different like right now, um, I find it to be a very ticky tack of sport where it's it's just if you touch a guys back there, they're calling a foul like it's a very stop league now.
00:58:56
Whereas the Premier League of Past these guys would almost be having fistfights on the field and the refs would let things go, you know, Um, well, it's interesting to Sorry, just zoom in terms off.
00:59:07
You know, Premier League, Buddhist League, Syria.
00:59:10
Like depending on where you're watching, that's that's like Italian league German League Lawrence or, you know, the Premier League over over in England, just, you know, his reference, or MLS, even which is getting better in terms of this product on the field.
00:59:21
But these leagues do go through evolutions where? I mean, I've always said, like the German league.
00:59:26
You'll see this on the national teams.
00:59:28
They're always very technical, right.
00:59:30
There are very sound constructed team.
00:59:32
Usually you can think about the regions of the world and how the style of play is by the national teams.
00:59:36
You see during World Cup play, Um, you know, Brazil, there's gonna be more flamboyant.
00:59:41
There's gonna be more not even theatrics.
00:59:43
I just mean is gonna be more of a beautiful sport, right? Same thing with Italian soccer a little bit quicker paced.
00:59:47
Um, you know, soccer down south, South and South America or, you know, down in Mexico is a little more scrappy, thes guys kind of like to still mix it up during the during the play.
00:59:58
And then even after the whistle gets blown to your point.
01:00:00
Right now, Premier League is going through a very soft phase, I'll say.
01:00:05
And I think it's just that's one way of saying that they're trying to figure out Yeah, but you know.
01:00:12
But you know what it is to me, though, is that they're trying to figure out how do we go from being a physical league just to make the soccer in general.
01:00:19
How do we go from being a much more physical kind of sport to then getting into a real flop, ticky tack kind of state? How do we keep this thing upright? And it's almost like hockey.
01:00:28
It's what hockey went through when they started trying to clamp down on the fighting.
01:00:31
And they want to get it more of an open game, a clean game and really showcase the the true talent and beauty of the players on the ice, right? Same thing for soccer at some point is gonna have to come down to defenders.
01:00:41
And this is not that easy to just go.
01:00:43
You know what I'm gonna dio.
01:00:44
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna just I'm not gonna get up on top of this guy knowing this could be a ticky tack call there and you gotta live with staying upright.
01:00:50
And it takes guys like Messi who is notorious for not going down, right? He keeps himself up when he fights through all the little ticky tack place.
01:00:57
And that's how he finds himself in the box with those beautiful goals.
01:01:00
So it's it's kind of a decision making thing you've seen in the n b A.
01:01:03
And you know, I mean, you see in the NFL, right? Like brand full circle you see in the NFL when wide receivers, you know, you know now, well, my my dad, my dad has a theory, and I think it's I think it's true because he's the one who complains about it the most, right? Like he's the one. I get it from the most.
01:01:20
But I'm starting to agree with him is a lot of stop.
01:01:21
I hate V a r.
01:01:22
By the way, the e.
01:01:24
I don't even know if I could celebrate a goal anymore, but I don't Even so, I just wait because I just wait to see if there's gonna be a boxing out.
01:01:31
But my dad called me.
01:01:33
He made a really good point, and I agree, he said.
01:01:36
Soccer, he said, is blowing up in North America and more particularly the United States.
01:01:42
ESPN is covering the Bundesliga, he said, Right, because he says, like they're covering the Germany.
01:01:47
They're covering the Premier Li there, covering all the international tournaments.
01:01:51
You know, the U.
01:01:52
S team in the U.
01:01:53
S.
01:01:54
Women's team is getting more and more recognition.
01:01:55
It's becoming a big sport in the country.
01:01:57
And I said, Yeah, and he goes Americans like goals, right? He says, Because what you and because we're the same here in Canada and he goes, What is he? Goes all the non soccer fans here? What do they always say? Oh, yeah, 00 game.
01:02:09
Oh, yeah, one. Nothing game.
01:02:11
That's exciting, right? So his he and and and it's going to what you're saying, he explained to me.
01:02:16
The way it goes, they want this to be a free flowing game that every game is like 54 and there's no defending and it's it's not, you're no longer gonna have the 6 ft eight defenders who are trying to muscle guys out of the box.
01:02:26
Everybody's gonna be a striker on the field.
01:02:28
You're gonna see center backs, he says.
01:02:29
Going up and jumping into the and you're seeing it.
01:02:32
Now you're seeing Centreback's jumping into the offense in these high line.
01:02:36
You saw it with Bayern Munich, who won the Champions League.
01:02:38
They're lying is so high because they're defenders play like like midfielders, right? So it's just a very changing game.
01:02:45
Well, that's what they do with hockey.
01:02:47
This is hockey made this choice a handful of years ago.
01:02:50
They said, We're gonna We're gonna drown in the water if we don't figure out how to get more goals on the ice because nobody wants to see the 21 games anymore.
01:02:57
They want to see 54 right? And so they made the adjustments that change, that they made a couple tweaks and guess what? The sport probably is a little bit more exciting.
01:03:04
I don't think it's been terribly diminished, per, you know, per se.
01:03:07
I actually think that hockey is better without some of the extra violence that you don't necessarily need without taking away what is.
01:03:14
Sometimes you need to have hard hits, etcetera.
01:03:16
Um, I think soccer would probably benefit from that, right? Wouldn't you like to see a lot of crossing over sports? It's the idea of like in the N B A.
01:03:24
You get down inside of the ark, you start to turn your back to the basket.
01:03:27
You wanna back down a defender, right? Use your body, get into the lane, turn, get a little layup.
01:03:32
Wouldn't you like to see that more in soccer, where the ideas you get those passes in and around the 18 it's about It is about possession, right? It is about shielding off your defender and trying to create opportunities for everybody.
01:03:42
Now it still comes down to How do you get past the hump of guys going? Well, he touched my shoulder.
01:03:47
I'm now on the ground that I want my free kick.
01:03:49
Offensive players have to make that choice toe play through some of the little contact, and then you could actually get to a really exciting point.
01:03:55
Also, shame on your father for blaming the United States for tearing for candidates who he blamed North America, but no he said.
01:04:02
As it grows, look, the money is in the United States.
01:04:06
Even though it's, you know, soccer is huge in Europe.
01:04:09
Those ESPN in the US for for 20 years in those US TV rights deals and all those kind of things, they'll pay big money for those, right? So the league's air going to listen.
01:04:21
The NHL would do whatever it could to appeal to more than the six U S Markets it appeals to, You know what I mean? Like, I have a theory that the NHL could pull every American team minus like Detroit, Boston, New York, You know what I mean? Like those those sort of original six hub markets, right? And give every other team to Canada and they'd made the exact same amount of money.
01:04:43
You know what I mean? Like, you can't put it down because here hot and I hate hockey.
01:04:47
I'm not a hockey fan, but here it's like hockey night in Canada.
01:04:50
My God, it's like a national holiday every Saturday.
01:04:53
You know what I mean? Like it's and people love their hockey, right, But it's my whole That's my whole thing, though, but it's still everybody cares about the American money because we don't even know they make the same The Canadian sponsorships.
01:05:07
Not the reason the NFL will never come to Canada, by the way, is because our sponsorship money here will never touch the US money.
01:05:15
You know what I mean? And the thing is, when you're playing A when we watch the games here, I'm not watching the same commercials.
01:05:21
You guys, You know what I mean? I don't even see the national anthem.
01:05:24
I didn't even know that You guys regularly see the national anthem for regular games.
01:05:29
They don't show that here for us.
01:05:31
I thought that I thought that that was only for the Super Bowl, that they actually saw the need, the kneeling stuff.
01:05:36
I didn't realize you guys actually watched that live.
01:05:39
You know what I mean? Like, because here they don't even show it.
01:05:41
We're watching Canadian Ford commercials or something here.
01:05:44
Why can pull back the curtain on that too? Just that, you know, the national anthem getting aired on TV wasn't a thing in the NFL up until about.
01:05:51
I mean, you know, if I said 7 to 10 years ago, it's probably somewhere in that range.
01:05:55
Um, but that's a that's a, uh ah, government subsidized activity.
01:06:00
That's something that that was a contract with the NFL in order to perform that live on that.
01:06:05
Give me that.
01:06:06
But I never thought about the idea of what? Of what you're seeing relative to what we see down here.
01:06:10
You know, we don't way made a rule here.
01:06:13
So the R version will you guys have what to see? Uh, the monitors, all the TVs and stuff down there.
01:06:20
We have our own Canadian version of that.
01:06:22
I forget what they call yours.
01:06:23
And they put a rule out two years ago that we could start getting American commercials on the Super Bowl because we used to have to go on YouTube the next day to see all the Super Bowl commercials because we would get our regular ass Canadian commercials.
01:06:35
That's all we would get here and then that Canada wouldn't do like, um, New York to see the US commercials.
01:06:41
But was Canada doing, you know, high priced commercial spots? That one.
01:06:46
It's the ones we saw that afternoon.
01:06:50
So we watch.
01:06:51
So we watch CBS, we hear Jim Nance and Tony Romo, but When we cut to commercial, we just cut to our regular Canadian commercials and you guys cut to whatever.
01:07:00
You know, you guys get commercials.
01:07:01
So we always heard about these great Super Bowl ads.
01:07:04
Those will always be the news things, right? All this guy was in a Super Bowl ad two years ago.
01:07:08
We finally got to see it, and then all the Canadian companies broadcasting companies freaked out because they're not making a sent off of that right.
01:07:17
They were trying to do the R C T V.
01:07:20
Who it's connected to TSN, which is like our ESPN here.
01:07:24
They had a contest on the Super Bowl that year that they're giving away $23 million prizes.
01:07:30
So they're going away $6 million because they were terrified.
01:07:34
Nobody was gonna watch the Super Bowl on their channel because we all wanted to watch it on CBS and see the U.
01:07:39
S.
01:07:40
Super Bowl commercials because we've heard about all these great commercials.
01:07:42
I'll tell you what, guys.
01:07:43
I was let down over, by the way.
01:07:46
So, by the way, I don't know nothing like that, but when you have never seen them, okay, and that's all you've been waiting for.
01:07:53
We were very let down.
01:07:55
This is the worst part because all these bills up and I'm like, Oh, my God, like you're a decade too late for like, e you're you're a little late on the whole but bull stuff and things of that.
01:08:05
No.
01:08:06
So, yeah, I was We were very let down and we watched it on TSN the next year.
01:08:09
But now they've canceled again.
01:08:11
They brought it to court and won.
01:08:13
So now it's just Canadian commercials again.
01:08:14
So yes, so we could listen.
01:08:16
And I've had a conversation that box here at SportsCastr because season's coming to an end.
01:08:21
Things are gonna change for us, right? We're not going to do in pre games anymore.
01:08:24
So we need different things.
01:08:26
And I've talked to him about bringing a Canadian flair to SportsCastr news because you guys don't understand the way we consume Sports in Canada is very different than how you guys consume it in the US, we don't have these heavy debate shows and stuff here.
01:08:40
Like when we watch SportsCenter, we literally are just watching highlights and news and hearing about the latest news.
01:08:46
Uh, maybe an insider comes in to give, like, you know, a couple of reporters come on to give what they've heard.
01:08:51
We don't around.
01:08:52
Yeah, we don't have skipping Shannon screaming at each other.
01:08:55
You know what I mean? Like, it's It's a very our radio shows here in Canada are not confrontational.
01:09:01
Shows its reporters who come on and when athletes are on the coast, the coast or kissing their ass, they're not asking them controversial questions.
01:09:09
They're just saying, Like, how are you guys preparing for this? Is this team difficult? Is this you know, like, what? You might hear the press conference, right? So I was telling this to our boss.
01:09:17
I was like, Yeah, you go.
01:09:18
And I learned this as I started doing YouTube coming here.
01:09:20
How differently Americans consume sports to how Canadians do it.
01:09:26
Right? It's But I found no in, uh, nearly even though, as it migrated over, you know, Was it NBC Sports Network coverage it here on the weekends in the morning? And and now it has, you know, ESPN gasses coverage as well.
01:09:42
But when you initially when that was first coming in the commentary, which is primarily, you know, you're British commentators and British host talking about the game and former players.
01:09:52
Same thing like my my brother, who played soccer.
01:09:54
Thio talk about someone who got hurt.
01:09:57
Um, he was a guy that was going to go on full scholarship to a college play soccer somewhere Summer league before his senior year in high school.
01:10:04
Did in were the right way from that injury.
01:10:11
But when we used to watch the commentary, how did you lose me? Yeah, for a moment he was playing in high school, had a scholarship and then got hacked into me, clean it in the kneecap, and that was the end of his career.
01:10:24
But when we watch soccer on the weekends to pass right over my brother's gruesome injury way used to stay.
01:10:30
It was so much nicer toe watch it when it was the British commentators because everything was just about the matchup, the strategy, expectations, everything was hyper focused on the sport itself.
01:10:40
Where did you say we all know it here, right? You get up and watch Fox on the Sunday any of these networks, I'm not singling them out.
01:10:45
It's just like six hours of pregame coverage.
01:10:49
What could possibly go on here that we haven't heard for the last five days.
01:10:53
And there's just something about, you know, being a bloated market being oversaturated by it. So e.
01:10:58
I always think about that.
01:10:59
And that's actually something that I've enjoyed We talk about SportsCastr in general is we've been kind of able to dictate what we want to talk about it.
01:11:05
Z Why I talk offensive line on O g. P.
01:11:08
Because I got to tell you what I want to talk about the O.
01:11:10
It's why we have end up having, you know, I think nuanced conversation.
01:11:14
It's never really we're sitting here unless it's about the Pro Bowl having really, you know, in your face, back and forth, you know, kind of nonsense stuff.
01:11:21
It's usually, Hey, let's dive in a little bit deeper on these topics because hopefully it comes across is interesting.
01:11:27
And as this season comes to an end to my friends to the north, you know we'll see you soon.
01:11:32
Well, and yeah, you know what? I've I guess I've kind of spilled the beans a little bit, but we're in talks now.
01:11:37
Our boss and I have of me adapting into more of this Canadian style of SportsCastr.
01:11:43
You know what I mean of just doing And I'm hoping toe bring you guys along to she'll come.
01:11:50
You know what I mean.
01:11:51
But focusing more on the ****ytic side rather than Lawrence.
01:11:55
You'll remember when we first started SportsCastr news NFL, it was a debate show.
01:11:59
It was just Joe and I yelling at each other, and you kind of trying to mediate and then start stirring the pot and then backing up and letting us yell at each other.
01:12:07
But Joe Joe is the perfect.
01:12:09
I'm sorry.
01:12:10
Like I don't I don't like stereotypes, but he's the perfect us broadcaster, right? Like there was times that he would message me and be like, What side do you sit on? You know what I mean? Like what side you tonight s so that we could debate that night.
01:12:22
And to me, that's very un.
01:12:23
Not even on the natural debater.
01:12:25
It's unnatural for me in sports because usually I'm used to like Hey, you know, the Giants, You know they're not doing well.
01:12:30
But tell me about this.
01:12:31
Tell me about that.
01:12:32
How could they improve? Its not like Hey, you and the Giants suck.
01:12:35
They're never gonna win a game.
01:12:36
And it's That's not how we consume sports.
01:12:39
Well, by the way, this is why I'm not good on Twitter, because I don't.
01:12:43
Whenever I make a comment about something, the lead, it always is.
01:12:47
My natural instinct is to be like I could get where you're coming from there.
01:12:51
I do wonder about this piece of it.
01:12:53
Oh, yeah, that's a good.
01:12:54
That's a good idea.
01:12:55
But I might go this direction.
01:12:57
None of that gets you any traction when all it wants to someone to be like, It's like you got a burn, that guy like scorched earth and tell him how awful he is.
01:13:05
This thing.
01:13:06
Oh, but I just don't.
01:13:07
I just don't have it in me.
01:13:08
You're too nice for Twitter.
01:13:09
I just want to say one thing about that whole five hour pregame prep up thing.
01:13:14
Most people.
01:13:16
A lot of that is because nowadays especially, you're dropping this on YouTube, right? And it's being cut up, right? It's being cut up in tow.
01:13:24
This is this team versus this team or this.
01:13:26
This part about this one player blah, blah, blah and now you've got people who are just sitting there like you and me and other people who are consuming this.
01:13:36
Go to YouTube and we don't go.
01:13:37
All right.
01:13:38
I wanna watch the NBC pregame show all five hours of it.
01:13:41
No, no, no.
01:13:42
We're looking directly to find that clip of where they're talking about our favorite players in our favorite team.
01:13:48
And so for five hours, they're breaking down different teams, different players, so that it would, you know, do that.
01:13:57
I kind of like that idea what you're talking about, Ray of just, um just just bringing out the news and ****ysis for each individual team because as much as Adam be excited about how we're gonna talk about the return of, say, Kwan Barkley, He could give a rat's behind on whether or not Teddy Bridgewater is gonna have a good game next week, you know, and I'll tell you, I'll tell you from a Canadian perspective.
01:14:23
And then, guys, we're gonna have to wrap this up because my next show starts in, like, 22 minutes, and I need to keep prepping for it, but, um, e gotta have games on.
01:14:33
You can't.
01:14:34
You can't leave us tomorrow.
01:14:35
Do you think this is what happens? We've been on for over an hour.
01:14:37
But no.
01:14:38
I'll tell you, from a Canadian perspective, what I've really noticed.
01:14:41
Present company excluded.
01:14:43
Basically, anybody on SportsCastr excluded because it's all very knowledgeable.
01:14:47
One thing I found about a lot of American fans.
01:14:50
Try talking to them about somebody outside of their own team and they can't tell you much, you know what I mean? There's such a singular focus on their own team.
01:15:00
They know the big players, right? Like everybody knows Patrick Mahomes.
01:15:03
Every knows Tyreek Hill like, you know, or your rivals.
01:15:05
But you start getting into, like the middle linebackers unless the guy's a riel.
01:15:11
I I I did raise uses rant today, which is ah little rant ideo you about Sony Michelle.
01:15:19
I found out that the Patriots basically did a coin flip about whether to draft Sony Michelle or Darius Leonard.
01:15:26
And I'm really upset that Sony Michelle won the coin toss.
01:15:29
I mean, look, he he helped us get to a Super Bowl, but there is.
01:15:32
Leonard would have been our linebacker for the next 10 years, you know, high towers about to retire it would have been amazing.
01:15:39
And to be fair, you shouldn't be flipping a coin about a linebacker or running back.
01:15:43
That should be an automatic linebacker selection.
01:15:45
I don't think they flip the coin, but it was tight.
01:15:47
They didn't know what to do.
01:15:48
And they realized, you know what? And look, Michelle random to a Super Bowl, so I'm not mad about the pick.
01:15:52
But I'm saying we could have had Darius Leonard.
01:15:55
I'm kind of doing that thing.
01:15:56
There's people who tweeted me after there.
01:15:57
Like, who the hell is Darius Leonard? Because they on Lee know about the Patriots, right? Like what? Guys like us pay attention to everything and because of what we do, we learn even more because now I'm fine.
01:16:09
I'm paying attention, things I didn't even pay attention to before because I kind of need to now, right, but like this, like I said, us on SportsCastr is different.
01:16:17
But I realized a lot of American fans are very one team centric where if you come talk to the typical Canadian about a sport they like like so you talk to a leaf and like hockey, they will tell you the third line sentiment of the Minnesota Wild.
01:16:30
That's the team.
01:16:31
That's what they called right.
01:16:32
The Wild, the Minnesota Wild or the Detroit Stars.
01:16:33
Like they know player like their hockey fans.
01:16:37
You what? I mean, where I find when I talked to a lot of us fans, at least Boston sports At least they know everything about Boston sports.
01:16:44
They know all the big names in the leagues, but when you start getting to those second tier guys, they're very lost.
01:16:49
Well, you know what I will say.
01:16:51
Probably the difference there, and it's not even in defense of it.
01:16:53
But it's that there's every sport in the US, right? So if you can have your favorite team across five different sports and then follow each of those teams intently.
01:17:04
But okay, we have We have four of the five here, Adam.
01:17:07
We only we don't have a football.
01:17:09
Understood baseball, basketball, hockey and MLS were missing.
01:17:13
You don't have an entire league of baseball teams.
01:17:17
You have a handful.
01:17:19
I get what you're saying.
01:17:20
So there's, you know, there's a There's a smaller collection of just a team that no, no, no, no.
01:17:24
But I'm saying like like NHL we follow the American teams to you? What? I mean, like the MBA.
01:17:30
I'm not just saying that Canada identifies with hockey.
01:17:32
Nobody watches the CFL, but talk to a football fan here.
01:17:36
Talkto No, they really don't.
01:17:37
If you're in NFL Fan, you don't watch the CFL.
01:17:40
I only do because I had.
01:17:41
I had season tickets since, like nine, So I just go to the games.
01:17:44
I don't watch them on TV.
01:17:45
I have no idea if they want it lost when I show up to the game, but the game before.
01:17:50
But you follow that everyone follows.
01:17:51
The NFL is the whole because you don't have a team, Okay, but take the Toronto Maple leaves here or the Toronto Blue Jays.
01:17:58
Go ask the Toronto Blue Jay fan about the Yankees bullpen, and they'll tell you about the yankeesbullpen they'll tell you about.
01:18:06
If they're baseball fans, right? That's the thing that here it's like you're either baseball fan or you're not.
01:18:11
We don't have a lot of middle people, know what I mean? Like we don't have like the casual baseball fan, you're either a baseball fan or you're not a baseball fan like, and I still feel that social media has a lot to do with that because you can nitpick on exactly what you're watching, what you're paying attention attention to, as compared to the eighties and nineties and seventies, you had to watch the entire well.
01:18:32
So that's what I'm gonna get you guys to, though again the way we consume sports here.
01:18:36
It's different now because the satellite and cable in all this right? You gotta remember we're very limited in what we got.
01:18:43
Some days the Toronto Blue Jays were on, but we were watching the Yankees and Red Sox.
01:18:47
You know what I mean? Because that's what we got that day for TV rights.
01:18:50
So we grew up.
01:18:51
Now maybe the younger generational change maybe will become more like, you know, my my friends to the South and and because of the access they have, that they can always watch the Patriots.
01:19:01
But I remember being a kid going five weeks without watching the Patriots play you what I mean, because on I watched what was ever on TV, that's the healthier way that consume sports in general, right is just turn on a random game and watch it.
01:19:15
That's how you learn about players, of course, but it's also how you getting appreciation because you see the different styles, different strategies, the different executions, right? So that it's it's It's a healthier way to develop an understanding and appreciation for a given sport.
01:19:27
And really one of the reasons why I like in baseball.
01:19:29
It's why I gravitated away away from baseball eventually, cause a certain point.
01:19:32
I said, Yeah, I'm a Yankees fan, but I don't know, I don't know a lot of the other pictures.
01:19:38
I don't know the best players, the bullpens and all that stuff.
01:19:40
I was like, I don't like baseball.
01:19:42
No, And again we could change here and this wasn't me picking on the U.
01:19:46
S.
01:19:47
This was me just comparing how we consume.
01:19:49
Let me least my generation, how we consume sports compared to it.
01:19:54
But again, now I have this thing called the Zone.
01:19:56
I don't know if you guys have that there.
01:19:58
Do you have his own ideas that end? So we get like the NFL Sunday tickets.
01:20:02
We get every football games 20 bucks a month.
01:20:03
We get every football game, we get every Premier League game we get every Champions League game.
01:20:07
So now you can nitpick if you want to.
01:20:10
Just watch Manchester United.
01:20:11
You know you can always get Manchester United. You could watch the replays.
01:20:14
I can watch all the any football game I want.
01:20:17
I can watch this.
01:20:18
The Patriots, I I usually watch Red Zone.
01:20:20
Unless the Patriot but again.
01:20:21
Now I'm now.
01:20:22
I'm at a point where I'm not just watching Red Zone of the Patriots are on.
01:20:25
I'll miss all the other one o'clock game because I'm watching the Patriots, so even now I'm starting to consume it in a different way.
01:20:30
So maybe as our new generation comes through, it's gonna be like this.
01:20:33
But because of the way we had to consume football in basketball, don't forget we didn't get the Raptors until 96.
01:20:41
So, like we got whatever was on TV, you know what I mean? Most of us were either Celtics fans.
01:20:45
Bulls fans are Lakers fans because that was usually one of the game of the night.
01:20:50
What? I mean, we never got whatever the prime time game was over on TNT.
01:20:53
That's what would stream in Canada, so we would always get those games um, you know, I was a Charlotte Hornets fan because I had a Charlotte Hornets starter jacket.
01:21:01
You know, until the raft.
01:21:03
Both that did it for you.
01:21:05
Wow, To become a Rapture fan, the Bulls play for Charlotte.
01:21:08
Oh, you know, I was really young at that time because 96 when I really got into it when Mighty Mouse was drafted and all that kind of stuff.
01:21:15
But what I'm saying is we consumed it in a different way.
01:21:18
So my generation when we watch sports, we watch.
01:21:21
Like if we're baseball fans, which I am, I'm watching baseball.
01:21:24
And if that means Seattle in San Francisco, I'm watching Seattle in San Francisco because that's the game on TV right now, because it's 11 o'clock at night.
01:21:30
I can't sleep what I mean.
01:21:31
Um, whereas I find now I talked to a lot of people in states or like I'm a Giants fan and you ask them about the Jets are like, I don't know nothing about the Jets.
01:21:39
You know, I'm like you live in New Jersey.
01:21:41
Oh, in the same stadium.
01:21:45
Eso again, our younger generation, maybe more of that singular focus.
01:21:51
But also, do you think about YouTube.
01:21:53
I started as a Patriots YouTube channel, so it's like I didn't help the cause because I just did a singular focus.
01:21:59
And I got a bunch of Patriots fans who knew honestly how there's some good ones and they know who they are, because I talked him all the time.
01:22:06
But a lot of them they don't know anything outside of the Patriots.
01:22:09
Like that's why my NFL film rooms have changed from just Colt centric toe NFL general wide And why I'm asking people, you know, what do you want to see? And they'll guys do a great job of helping me pick that stuff out because I want toe Thio educate people not just myself but other other people is well with with, uh, the NFL in general.
01:22:34
Because, man, if you need to know about other teams because you're going to go into a game thinking that your team is gonna stomp another team, but you don't know nothing about the other team.
01:22:45
So how do you know if you're gonna beat them or not? Yeah, I'm not helping anymore because you pick marquees brown and I just by, uh, my big takeaways that raised part of the problem.
01:22:55
That's what that was my big takeaways.
01:22:56
That Ray is a part of the problem.
01:22:58
I have a listen.
01:23:00
I have got to the point now where we need to change my slug on our DP on commentary because we now cover all football because I wanted to get away from just being the Patriots guy.
01:23:11
Um, I wanted a soccer show like I wanted to be like I know more than the New England Patriots.
01:23:16
You know, like let me.
01:23:17
That's why I've loved SportsCastr news.
01:23:20
I'd love to go on with you guys and talk basketball.
01:23:22
You know, I love us to talk a little bit of baseball.
01:23:25
If there's any baseball, fans like it.
01:23:26
Z, I love talking about sports, and I've really made it.
01:23:29
We So we talk about baseball deep and commentary now to like, we'll talk about just different like bigger stories.
01:23:34
Like right now, it's free agency slowed up, so there's not a lot to talk about.
01:23:37
We even talked about in a while, but it's we're trying to show like Conan are trying to show our brass toe.
01:23:42
Everybody be like, Hey, you don't just have to be a Patriots fan like we'll always do a Patriot story because that's our core fan base.
01:23:47
But like we're talking about Will Fuller tonight.
01:23:49
You know what I mean? Like, we talked to our our lead story last night was Carson Wentz, You know, like, it's we know more than New England.
01:23:57
Oh, by the way, that that's why we came over from MBA and want to get in on NFL SportsCastr on the news side of it, because I was like, Yeah.
01:24:03
Oh, I watch other things I like. I like sports.
01:24:06
I like other sports.
01:24:07
I got stuff to say.
01:24:08
So listen, um, Ray, I know you have to go, but you let me know when you're ready to go.
01:24:14
You still have a lot to say.
01:24:17
No, I'm done now.
01:24:18
We consume sports better in Canada.
01:24:20
That's all I'm saying to you guys.
01:24:21
Oh, yeah? Yeah.
01:24:25
Alright, guys, I am different that there is probably zero people watching live now.
01:24:30
If there is, I want to shout amount.
01:24:32
Uh, no, it's just me and Ray watching live.
01:24:35
Um, Ed lost 75 Lexi poo Ravens fan 19 MK chicken and diesel and best Carolina Pan all was watching live.
01:24:44
And how do we know that? Because they have profiles.
01:24:46
Please, guys, spend the 2030 seconds make a profile.
01:24:50
That what we know you're here.
01:24:52
You could smash the like button.
01:24:53
Um, share your favorite streams.
01:24:56
Make one of your own favorite streams.
01:24:58
It doesn't matter.
01:24:59
Please, uh, just just get that done.
01:25:02
This is an exploding platform right now.
01:25:05
It's just growing bigger and bigger.
01:25:06
You want to get it on the ground floor while it's still new.
01:25:10
All right.
01:25:11
Anyone else have anything else you guys want to say? Uh, just You guys know I'm gonna roasted on Twitter right now because I didn't think I'm really sorry, guys.
01:25:19
If I offended you, I didn't think I was insulting the United States.
01:25:22
I was just talking about the difference of how we consume, but my private chat is just Here's the problem.
01:25:28
Horses.
01:25:29
The problem, right? You see, this is why it's a problem.
01:25:31
Just having a good old fashioned conversation.
01:25:33
And now Twitter hates your guts.
01:25:34
This is why, if I know honestly, quarter around sports.
01:25:38
No, e Was I offensive? Did I offend you guys? If I did, I'm sorry.
01:25:44
I was just trying to talk to the difference between ready.
01:25:47
Let me go ahead and thin out that twitter messaging that you're receiving.
01:25:50
I have similar issues with the way products are presented and consumed in the United States, and I've been concerned mhm life.
01:25:57
I was the one that brought up not liking the way the NFL is covered on the weekend.
01:26:01
So if you're throwing shade at Ray, feel free.
01:26:03
You could tag me in there as well if you want.
01:26:05
This is the nature of the sports.
01:26:07
This is why we're talking about it like playoff array.
01:26:10
Alright are you start using HGH and PDS and really come after you? This is why once those borders reopened, I tell you.
01:26:18
Listen, thats why I never talk about being Canadian. Jesus.
01:26:22
All right, guys.
01:26:23
Thanks.
01:26:24
Thanks, everybody for watching. Thanks, Adam.
01:26:26
Thanks for being on here and maybe, maybe not.
01:26:29
We'll see you Thursday morning, But until then as usual, unmarked on with Adam and Ray.
01:26:34
Hey, means Friday morning.
01:26:36
Yeah.
01:26:37
Friday morning.
01:26:38
30.
01:26:39
Yeah, my days messed up.
01:26:41
It's a long time.
01:26:42
It's almost an hour and a half a klick end
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2020 NFL Week 13 Predictions: Upset picks, betting locks, and more

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What's up? This is gonna be a short stream.
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As you heard.
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Probably Adams leaving at 7.
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30 Raised leaving at 7.
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25.
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And I'm No, I'm just kidding.
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Eso no football tonight? None.
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What in the world are we gonna talk about? Oh, my goodness.
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Well, it's Thursday.
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Every you can watch Jersey Shore.
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Lawrence, Jersey Day.
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Wait, wait, wait.
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Is that that's that's still going Jersey Shore is still a thing.
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How is that possible? You gotta have some D j. Pauly D.
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You know, I just don't think that it's fair to have a bunch of people that aren't from New Jersey, representing my home state E there from Staten Island.
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Isn't one of them from Jersey, aren't they? Yeah, one of them isn't Polly from Jersey.
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He's actually a Jersey kid, right? He's the best one, and Paul he's and And let's face it, Paul, he is the best one on the show, so he's he's not really a Guido.
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He's just a fun loving guy.
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Represents, you know, Jersey gets to be honest, Jersey gets a bad rap because I was at a conference in New York City a couple years ago, but we stayed in the Meadowlands.
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We stayed in Jersey in Jersey is gorgeous, like I always had this this thought of Jersey being like this, like, little smelly place beside New York.
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It's not really It's amazing.
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The biggest misnomer is like when you go, it's our nickname is the Garden State.
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Never was like We mean the garden stand like there's actually there's a ton off outdoor, you know, Woods and beautiful green lush areas all across the state.
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So listen to say the least, I'm not representing the state very well in my current attire.
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But I'm here nonetheless, and I represent through eloquent thoughts around the NFL.
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So, Lawrence, you know, set us up for this big matchup tonight between Ray and myself.
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I guess, Yes.
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Let's have that.
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Alright.
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Eso We got the singer or whoever you know that that's in boxing versus the podcaster.
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Await? No, that was a boxing match that just went awful.
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The basketball player, first of youtuber? Yes.
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I'll be representing the role of Nate Robinson.
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Hey, Yes, E You know how it is.
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Right? Okay.
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All right.
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So we had a big debate.
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Adam and I a little bit, um on you wanted to bring it up, so I will.
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I don't e don't care, either.
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We're talking about Probo Probo.
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Voting's going on right now.
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Social, the social media part of its kicking in.
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And you're seeing all these, uh, teams and players out there just out there.
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Vote for me.
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You know, if you click on this every Retweet, every, like, what, not councils a vote to get this player in the Pro Bowl or what not? And it's just become the Pro Bowl itself has become such a media thing that it it's almost now kind of pointless.
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In a way, it's it's more of a popularity contest.
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Whereas, you know, I still think the All Pro selections air. Still very.
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I want more sought after, but oh, I could tell you a lot about that. All Pro selections.
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Hold on.
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Yeah, I got I got a pause it here, Lawrence, because you're making my case for me about how the Pro Bowl voting doesn't matter.
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It's driven, it's not driven by anything.
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And you wanna link this toe Hall of Fame selections and I mean, listen, I debunked you through slack.
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I can we could go through it here if you need to.
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But you could do what? Hey, we could.
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Let's rehash it because the fact of the matter is that in today's Hall of Thing is a little bit different than what the Hall of Fame selections was 10 years ago.
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The Hall of Fame selections 10 years ago.
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Pro Bowl nods.
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We're actually a big deal when it came to getting into the Hall of Fame now today, it shouldn't be because it is a big Media BS thing that's going on but back.
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Okay, But it doesn't matter if Russell Wilson retired tomorrow, would he? If he had no Pro Bowl selections, would he not go into the Hall of Fame on his stats? Would it matter that he was voted to a Pro Bowl or not? No.
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It wouldn't make any difference.
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He's never won an M V P for the season.
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Is that going to stop him from being a Hall of Famer? No, it's not going to Eli Manning, a greatly debated quarterback, about what the value of his total career is.
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I think it went to the Pro Bowl once or twice in his entire 15 16 year career, but he went to the Super Bowl twice, won the Super Bowl, twice had to Super Bowl MVPs.
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He'll go to the Hall of Fame, has nothing to do with it.
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So you don't like it.
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The idea that a pro and I said it to you in the slack feed if you if you line up two players at any position and you tell me that Player X went to the Pro Bowl three times in his career.
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But player, why statistically had consistency 10 consecutive years in the NFL.
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He's going to get in on the stats, the stats or would drive it.
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And you mentioned like his Pro Bowl.
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Put this Pro Bowl play a factor, Yes, but you kept labeling it as the the deciding factor for making or not making the Hall of Fame.
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That could not be any further down the list of things that are considered when it comes to players making the Hall of Fame.
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But I did say a deciding factor, not the deciding factor.
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You said the deciding factor.
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That's where you started.
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You said it's the deciding factor.
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And then as we worked our way through it, it eventually settled on as I embolden Lee caps.
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Elated it in the conversation? Yes.
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Is it a factor? Yes.
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Is it the factor? No, that's the only difference.
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That's the difference we're making here.
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You wanna put a little feather in the cap for going the Pro Bowl? That's fine.
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But the stats or what accomplishes the goal of making to the Hall of Fame? I do have right here the chat, it says pro.
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It says, I said at 11 29 AM Pro Bowls are a deciding factor in the Hall of Fame voting, even even a deciding factor.
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They're not.
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They they were before.
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I don't think they are now.
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Right now, I don't think they should have any kind of consequence at all, because it was also, there's also the pretty Pro Bowl era where everyone that means the Hall of Fame before the Pro Bowl was decided purely on the stats as well.
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So, again, the Pro Bowl.
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It does nothing to me.
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It means nothing to me.
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There's not a single player that you could list and tell me what he make it or not, and I would go and say, Hey, did he make it.
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How many Pro Bowls did you goto that would have zero wait? Take away every Pro Bowl that Tom Brady's never been to? That means not getting the whole fame.
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Absolutely, he should never be.
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Oh, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just like, Yeah, but it's just it's a stat driven.
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It's a stat driven criteria, And there's also, by the way, there's also a ton of guys that go to the Hall of Fame, rightfully so that don't have necessarily statistical accomplishments that you should have.
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But it's based on the impact over the short legacy that they had in the league.
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Or it's the intangible thing.
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Like Eli Man is a great example of a guy who's gonna go in on intangibles and the two Super Bowls over anything that the stats would tell you because his stats are average journeymen style at best.
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But he gets the credit for being an Iron Man for always showing up, which, by the way, has value like you could make a case.
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You could have squeezed another two or three years out of his career if he sat himself down two or three games in a handful of seasons where you had injuries, but I don't know.
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I don't even like it doesn't even really, it doesn't grind my gears that much.
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It doesn't really get me that much up in arms, but I'm just Yeah, I don't remotely care about this Pro Bowl voting whatsoever, And I wouldn't I wouldn't hold it against or put it in favor of anyone that was up on the Hall of Fame ballot.
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No, but Pro Bowl Pro Bowls right now.
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Another thing that we got into was you know, whether or not the players actually care about it and yeah, okay, I say they do.
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And I think Darius Leonard, of course, he cares about everything.
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He cares whether or not the grasshopper said that he was the best or second best linebacker or worse white linebacker in the NFL.
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It doesn't matter, Ray.
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What are your thoughts on all this? Because you're sitting here just enjoying the show.
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I didn't really want to get involved in this conversation.
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I will throw out there, though, that this whole argument I believe that Keith jumped in the middle and just third the potting and disappeared and allows you guys just to go at it.
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So but, um, listen, Pro Bowl, All Pro, that kind of stuff, All pros.
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Well, um, I use that argument when it's convenient for me.
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And when it's not, I don't and because it's really those Air all stats that are irrelevant.
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Uh, Tom Brady's a 14 time Pro Bowler, so you know, like he played on the best team for almost 20 years.
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He's got six Super Bowl rings.
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He's only been in All Pro three times, and it just happened to be the three years that he won m v p.
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So, basically, if your quarterback and you're not the most valuable player in the league, you're not going to be a first team all pro.
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Three times in 20 years.
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Six Super Bowls, multiple records.
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He's been in all pro three times.
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Um, none of that make.
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None of it matters to me.
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Um, you know, Lamar Jackson has been an All Pro a Pro Bowler and M v p.
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He doesn't look like a red trajectory right now that he's gonna be, ah, Hall of Famer.
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He can win a playoff game.
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You know what I mean? Um, the Pro Bowl is again.
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It's an argument that people will use when it's convenient.
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Uh, there.
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So this year, number one I found out that it's the teams that put their players up for for, ah, for the votes.
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So this year, the Patriots puts the Fong Gilmore and Jason McCourty as their two cornerbacks.
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Um J.
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C.
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Jackson, who was left off the list, was rated 10th on Pff.
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Jason McCourty was ranked 68th best cornerback in the NFL.
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Consider that most teams carry 2 to 3.
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You know that start? He was 68th.
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Um, and we were like in the NFL.
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Had to step in and be like, No, no, no, no, no, no.
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And they added him to the Pro Bowl voting because at the first eight weeks of the season, he was one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.
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Why did the Patriots do that? Because he's a free agent and he's gonna be in our F A this year, and he doesn't want to turn around and say, Hey, I went to the Pro Bowl.
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It's like Do the players care? Of course they care.
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It's a little notch on the thing. I'm a pro bowler.
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I'm an all Pro.
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Of course, it's a It's a personal accolade.
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People like those.
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But you know what? Go ask Patrick Mahomes right now.
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Or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and say, Do you prefer your Super Bowl ring or your M V P Award? You know, do you prefer that you played in 14 Super Bowls or that you are 14 Pro Bowls? Or that you want to ring? Because at the end of the day, when you make the argument for Peyton Manning being a first ballot Hall of Famer, if they gotta start laying the Pro Bowl argument to get him in and there's something wrong with the system anyways, well, I mean, heck, with the Pro Bowls, like you said, the M V P thing, I'm sure he would trade all four of his MVPs, as he had for an extra super boring.
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You know, get well.
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And I don't I don't I think the MVPs of stupid Award as well, right? And I've told you that we had this argument.
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The last defensive player toe win toe win, defensive player of the year was the year I was born.
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I believe that's what we looked up right.
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It's the year I was born.
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Was the last time somebody one defensive player of the year.
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So 34 a half years ago, Adams, 35 right? 34 a half years ago was the last time, Uh, he was so and then we looked it up.
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It was a bunch of running backs and a bunch of quarterbacks after that.
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So what is the M V P Award? Why can't a defensive player be the most valuable player on the team? I'll tell you one thing.
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You talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers right now, I bet you it's gonna hurt mortar lose.
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But the pre than it would have been to have to go with Mason Rudolph the rest of the year because Ben Roethlisberger and playing that great this season well, and by the way, like, likewise, rookie of the Year.
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The reason why, if you look at the you know, the betting odds on that kind of stuff for an offensive lineman to get it or basically nothing, you know the odds are insane because they'll never give it to him.
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It's always gonna be a position player is always gonna be a quarterback right where the odds they go any other way.
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And a great non NFL related one is the M V P in the MBA.
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Everyone agrees that until LeBron James retires, he should almost unanimously be the M V P every single year.
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And there's been plenty of years where he should have won it.
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And in a certain point, you get the M V P fatigue.
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When are we gonna move on to the next guy? When is the guy who's deserving on it off it in a given season, going to check that box? It's just exactly conversation around Russell Wilson, right? He's deserved it before.
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He should have been consideration.
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He hasn't gotten votes, so maybe this year we just give it to him almost as a career achieve, You know, a career achievement award so that that's also why I think they're a little bit Fugazi.
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And And, as Ray mentioned before, the reason why, you either don't want to recommend your player to get to a Pro Bowl or why the player wants to be named to the Pro Bowl.
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It's all about which Keith did pop in and stir the pot and then duck out off.
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It's all about the next paycheck.
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It's all about the contract negotiation.
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That's all that this amounts to is saying, Yes, I am a three time Pro Bowler and it doesn't matter whether or not we get into the fact that doesn't mean anything.
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It means something in negotiations, and that's all they care about.
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And that's by the way, why there's the PR push from all these players as well.
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You keep notches on your belt.
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You turn around the next time you hit the market and you get to point to those things and drive up your drive up what your market value is gonna be.
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Well, in a perfect example, that is.
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To fund Gilmore on the Patriots is this is the most marketing I've seen him do.
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He's now offering Retweet.
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If you tweeted him a favorite picture with his Pro Bowl vote, he'll retweet you.
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So you know he's gonna get thousands of people that want to retweet from Stefan Gilmore.
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By the way, so far has been three days.
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I'm still waiting for my retweet, but he's really pushing it out.
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I guess it also happens to mean that Stefan guilt.
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You know, it just happens to be that the most time he's marketing for him to go to a problems I didn't even see him even try last year.
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But the most market is doing happens to be the year that he took a bunch of money from next year's contract and put it on this year's contract, and he's only set to make $8 million and probably gonna be on a sit out or some sort of trade and sign.
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Um, and this happens to be the year that he wants toe.
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He's already got defensive player of the year, But let's go back to back.
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You know, he's got back to back all pros, maybe back to back Pro Bowls.
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Funny thing about the Pro Bowl two years.
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So Stefan Gilmore has just won back to back.
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All pros.
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Didn't go to the Pro Bowl the first year that he won the All Pro like wasn't selected as a Pro Bowl contender.
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Yeah, he was selected as a first team All Pro.
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And by the way, then, when you get to the playoff picture right then you got the guys that, well, I'm in the playoffs, so I'm opting out of the Pro Bowl.
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Then they rotate up the next guy behind them.
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So you know whoever earned or hasn't earned it, you're gonna have guys that are rejecting the Pro Bowl.
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So they're taking that off their tally and or the replacement guys that now get credit **** who just by statistical reasons or voting, didn't actually earn their way to the Pro Bowl to begin with.
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So just Tom Brady is the perfect example of that.
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He's been selected rating.
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He's been selected to 14 Pro Bowls and went to nine Super Bowls in that time.
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You know what I mean? Which means, you know what I mean.
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He wasn't at five.
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He went to five of his 14 Pro Bowls, which means some quarterback who wasn't elected as a Pro Bowler now has Pro Bowl on their resume because Tom Brady was in the Super Bowl.
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Or, as Steve Harvey like to say, you're all at the awards because Tom Brady is still alive.
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You know, there's a lot of mediocre quarterbacks were like, Oh, I know Tom starting to go out, you know what I mean.
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He's not gonna go to the Super Bowl.
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How the hell am I going to get to the Pro Bowl this year? What do you mean you're attending? No eso.
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That's why Joe Flacco was still out there.
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He's hope.
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Oh, wait, no, Not only in the same conference anymore.
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Joe Flacco, Hall of Famer Hall of Fame. Joe Flacco.
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Oh, I can't even defend himself.
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No, and I'm not even care.
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Oh, yeah, He's just happy he got mentioned in the string.
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Um, eso 16 minutes and we've fallen off the rails.
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Right? Great.
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We'll see.
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This is difficult, man, because, uh, is there any more Thursday night? I know that Thursday Night Football is a middle of the year kind of thing or beginning, but I don't think there is Thursday Night Football's near the near the end of the season, but it feels like it's a little early for Thursday Night football toe Fall off.
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I think this had everything to do with scheduling this week because I got something we can talk about.
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Sure, we talked about.
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There's a thrill the Patriots play next Thursday.
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Oh, there's no Thursday Night Football.
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Great. Uh, great.
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A prime time game Guess.
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Ram 11 30 against the Rams.
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You know, I feel hungover after primetime games. I don't even drink.
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When I watched him, I'm just so tired in the morning.
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We have to get up, but because it's almost midnight for us because we're Eastern, you know? So yesterday, Roger Goodell said that the NFL is not going to move into a bubble.
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Oh, or if they're gonna do a bubble, it's not gonna be the way the media is thinking, which is fine.
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Here's the part that I really enjoy.
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Don't know your guy's reaction, he said.
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They're not gonna go into a bubble because the protocols that they put in place are working really well and they don't see the need for a bubble.
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Uh, they're working at one point, I think, he said.
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It's been truly remarkable how well accomplished, how well this is going for us.
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Listen, you can theoretically say that the Dell looks at and says, like the protocols we have in place are really effective.
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If everyone buys into them right, if everyone follows them, then they are really effective.
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And that could actually be a true statement.
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The problem is, is you're getting far too many sample sizes off guys not following the protocols.
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And, you know, I will say it's easy to make that kind of statement because if you manage to make it through the rest of the season, I do think as the playoffs approach and the extra extra games we're gonna get there, all those teams are gonna be pretty onboard with it, right.
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You assume that you're going to get those guys to be in lockstep.
00:18:15
There's a reason why, for the most part, we know the Ravens fell suspect to this, and that's there's certainly a team that's been in the mix and obviously have playoff plans.
00:18:22
But, like, you know, Denver Broncos, alright, it's a bunch of quarterbacks.
00:18:26
I mean, Drew lock.
00:18:27
It looks like he may find himself looking to be a backup somewhere if he doesn't clean up the way he's been playing early in his career.
00:18:33
Everybody else on that in that in that Q B room is a bunch of journeymen guys just, you know, on a bad team this year.
00:18:39
It just feels like a lot of them are kind of checked out around things.
00:18:41
So breaking these protocols for certain players that aren't interesting.
00:18:46
We talked about the thing back into being the year right? All three of us talked about this off.
00:18:49
You're going to see this happen? Is the year moves on the teams that aren't in it, that don't have anything to play for.
00:18:54
You're gonna start to see more and more guys pop up on that because what are they keeping it so locked in for if they don't really have any opportunity to be going to the playoffs? So I will be really curious to see what it looks like as you get closer to playoff time, as these teams get really refined about who's gonna make it or not.
00:19:08
And then whether or not you still see this test Well, here's the thing, though.
00:19:11
So, yes, Denver is a good example of a team was not in it.
00:19:14
But, uh, Indianapolis lost last week because their whole defensive line was sitting on the covert list.
00:19:19
They've got pretty good in a game that was really for the division, right? That locked the division for Indianapolis and they didn't have their best defender.
00:19:28
They didn't have one of their better linebackers.
00:19:30
There was just a whole bunch of things, uh, the Steelers, which I think it's a race because of how badly decimated the Ravens were.
00:19:37
The Steelers had five guys on the covert list, but I think a bunch of them were practice guys and whatnot.
00:19:42
Um, Julian Edelman is now on this.
00:19:44
I don't even know how the guy in the IR ends up on the covert list, but he's on the covert list.
00:19:50
Um, there was another team that just had to deal with a couple of other things that are in the NFC that were playoff contenders.
00:19:56
You know, Look at the New Orleans Saints.
00:19:58
They're gonna get fined for their locker room celebrations.
00:20:01
You what? I mean, because they're they're all basically making out with each other after thinking, Okay, they're dancing.
00:20:05
But it's, you know, um, I don't I think it's just I think that there's and I think this is a reflection of where we are as a society right now, and I think it's the same in the NFL.
00:20:14
I think that there's a covert fatigue, right? It's I'm sick of, um, my my podcast partner over on DPM commentary just got ah Cova test three days ago, because three people at his work tested positive for Covitz.
00:20:26
So he had to go get tested.
00:20:28
And he was telling me about the test and he said it felt like the scores.
00:20:31
I swear to God that thing was was touching my brain.
00:20:33
Yo, Tamina went so and then we started talking about these guys.
00:20:36
Get it twice a day.
00:20:38
You know what I mean? Like these guys, they're getting this test twice a day.
00:20:41
They're getting this thing shoved down up their nose and down their throat.
00:20:44
Um, we looked into it because we're trying to wonder if it's just that saliva test or if they're getting the full rapid test.
00:20:50
They're getting the full up the notes.
00:20:51
So twice a day they're getting problem probe.
00:20:53
They have to wear a mask.
00:20:54
They have to do this.
00:20:55
They're trying to run on a treadmill, wearing a mask.
00:20:57
They're getting frustrated with it.
00:20:59
And I think they're just covert fatigue.
00:21:00
And I think that that people are just like forget this like I'm done and we're starting to see it.
00:21:06
Could we see it in society? Right.
00:21:08
And you know that Indiana, I mean, the Denver Broncos to though is the was the perfect team toe happen to because it let's go back.
00:21:15
And Lawrence, I think there's a conversation you and I had, but the or no, I think it's me and Adam actually Nick Fangio when they postponed the Patriots game, you know, when a bunch of guys tested positive, basically came out and said, Well, now is the time we're going to see who are the men and who aren't, you know, like something along that lines.
00:21:30
And I'm not gonna let Cova dictate my life, and I'm still going to go out and I'm gonna do my groceries and you know, it's it's, you know, and we're going to see who's got the test, he said.
00:21:38
Some of the fortitude to get through things right now because who has the balls to get through this now is three quarterbacks get and he goes.
00:21:45
Maybe I should have done a better job of, you know, making sure they understood the policies.
00:21:49
No, you walked around basis saying Cove, it's not a big deal.
00:21:52
Now you guys got it.
00:21:53
Now you have to play without quarterbacks and your team look like *******s.
00:21:56
Week 12.
00:21:58
Good a time as any to say, Maybe I didn't do it the best, you know.
00:22:02
You know what? I've been thinking about it.
00:22:04
You know the second dog.
00:22:05
Guys, let's take a step back here.
00:22:07
I just watched my practice squad wide receiver basically a good rocked to sleep like a little baby by the opposing defense because they didn't want to physically break him on the field.
00:22:17
I don't know.
00:22:18
Maybe I'm just not the right guy for this job.
00:22:20
A leader that Can.
00:22:22
We talk about that, though, and give a little bit of credit to the the New Orleans Saints? I can't like they had him dead to rights on a sack, and there was a mic that moment.
00:22:34
You could hear the guy screaming, Go down, go down, go down! You know what I mean? So that they wouldn't kill him, You know what I mean? Like what's really interesting about it, too, is like it's not that that that that player isn't so small relative by in relative terms.
00:22:48
But it's interesting about guys that get away from the quarterback position, especially in the model of the Kyler Murray or of a to a or even you know a Russell Wilson.
00:22:55
They just a physically or they're built in a very kind of specific way where they look broader across the chest.
00:23:00
They look like there were sturdily constructed.
00:23:03
Every play you saw from that game when that kid was in the back field, I was like, Oh, my God, like it looked like it was like in my mind what it would look like if someone ever put me on an NFL field where you go, Oh, my God, don't get that child off of there.
00:23:14
He's gonna get trampled, you know? I mean, it is to your point, that is, it is really a credit to, ironically, a team that had such such interesting things around, you know, bounty.
00:23:22
Getting all that stuff back in the day to be a team was like, Hey, man, we've got you.
00:23:25
Please lay down on the ground.
00:23:27
Uh, because you know the players on the NFL to They all hate to see it when somebody gets hurt or injured.
00:23:32
And you're just like, dude, if we take, it's gonna there's gonna be a thing point in the wrong direction coming out of you At some point here, let's just get through this game, so Yeah, well, in the NFL, to like the size of NFL players is unbelievable.
00:23:46
Um, I was saying that to some of the other day.
00:23:48
I said, I don't think you know what, 64 £270 is until you're standing in front of 64 200 not.
00:23:55
I'm 61 to 70 but I'm not 61 to 70 full of muscle, you know what I mean? And that's a completely different £270.
00:24:03
It's now, once I start my PD cycle, I'll be good.
00:24:06
But I feel like Adam has something to say.
00:24:10
I think he's frozen.
00:24:12
That's the perfect.
00:24:13
That was the perfect reason.
00:24:14
Yeah, it waas it.
00:24:16
Waas No, you were like, I want to make a point.
00:24:22
Just Ray was so good on what he just said.
00:24:25
I could barely speak.
00:24:26
No, I was gonna say on the Giants like Leonard Williams, the dude is 653 40 like and I didn't even realize that until I got mentioned and I started thinking about like, boy, you know, he looks as Bigas Dexter Lawrence, who, you know, is our big boy and also is nimble and agile like Think about the 40 times that these guys run.
00:24:48
You talk about guys like you know, when we say, Oh, my God, look how slow that dude is.
00:24:51
He barely ran a 48 40 £350 guy Lyman sprinting down the line like that.
00:24:58
You are talking about guys that are the superior athletes and then to your point, really way.
00:25:03
No, we will talk to you.
00:25:04
Played offensive line thes.
00:25:05
We're also guys in their post playing career.
00:25:08
They shed pounds like it's going out of style because they're committed for a decade, plus of literally playing and doing something at an incredibly unhealthy Clinton.
00:25:16
Like in shape.
00:25:17
Is they? Are they? They're carrying around 60 £70 of excess weight that their body has no business handling.
00:25:24
Yeah, yeah, and I was an offensive lineman and I'm bringing this up again.
00:25:28
Not I'm flexing it again.
00:25:29
No, but I remember in college and we're talking Canadian ball.
00:25:34
None of these guys were going to the NFL.
00:25:37
I looked like Kyler Murray on the offensive line.
00:25:39
You know what I mean? Like I showed up in what? Where the hell am I like? It's unbelievable how big professional athletes.
00:25:46
Dude, when I was 14, I saw Shaquille O Neal at an airport.
00:25:52
Now I know that's a different thing.
00:25:55
I don't know if you guys are wrestling fans.
00:25:57
He's a person just like you and me. He's not a thing.
00:26:00
No, but you obviously haven't seen Shaquille O Neal in person.
00:26:05
I just I saw him walk through the airport and went, Oh, my mother of God, you know what I mean? Like, it's the specimen that he is, and he's not like onto me on TV.
00:26:18
He always kind of like a bigger sort of chubby your guy, right? Like he is solid like you.
00:26:23
What? I mean, like, it's It's crazy.
00:26:27
I'm trying to find a picture, actually, share it, you guys, how crazy athletes are, but I can't find it.
00:26:31
I met two old Blue Jay pictures a few years ago, and I took a picture with them and again 61 I was probably to 60 at the time, and I stood in between these guys and this picture is hilarious because they both got about five inches on me and they both got about £70 on me and they both still just their arms were still like that.
00:26:49
Big and solid.
00:26:50
And these guys are pictures.
00:26:53
Well, there's a couple things one Nate Robinson we're talking about in the boxing match way All think about Oh, my God, this guy is so tiny, you know, he would you be you fit underneath your shoe if you walked over top of him.
00:27:02
He's an inch taller than me.
00:27:03
Just to be just to be clear here, right? So some of the smallest guys think about MBA are actually taller than the average guy wandering around town on.
00:27:09
Then the other one is again from the Giants.
00:27:11
Se****, Barkley.
00:27:12
I remember when they gave the measurements of what one of his thigh muscles.
00:27:15
And I know that that's what he gets, you know, referenced by their enormous.
00:27:19
I can't remember what it was.
00:27:20
All I knew for sure is that I measured my own waste and I realized that I around in the thickest part of my body across my chest, was smaller than one of his thighs.
00:27:32
I was like, Okay, I'm all good here.
00:27:35
Friends no more, no more.
00:27:36
Two hand touch for me out there with the boys know.
00:27:38
You know, Dude, when I saw Cam Newton on the field for the first time, was a patriot, he was standing beside Julian Edelman and I was just like, My God, he's enormous, You know what I mean? Like, he's absolutely on.
00:27:50
It's like he's a quarterback.
00:27:53
You know what I mean? I believe, but I've had this new.
00:27:56
I told Corner this year, the night I had this new definition.
00:27:58
Cam Newton is a freak of an athlete that happens to play quarterback.
00:28:03
That's my new definition of him.
00:28:05
He's not a quarterback, he's a an athlete who happens to play the quarterback because I think you could go line them up a tight end.
00:28:11
I think you could, you know what I mean.
00:28:12
He's a little slower now, but you could probably put him is a bit of a stretch receiver like he's just a freak.
00:28:18
When your point is like it's like at a point in his career, you could have shifted him to some another position and he would have gotten to that same point, right? Let's let's give quarterbacks a little bit of respect.
00:28:29
Also, when it comes to getting hit.
00:28:31
I mean, yes, you have that practice God, practice squad, wide receiver and everybody.
00:28:36
I've seen a lot of stuff.
00:28:37
Uh, well, wide receivers get hit all the time, but they get hit by 100 192 £110 defensive backs, you know, running full force.
00:28:45
Imagine getting blindsided by a £340 guy on a consistent basis.
00:28:50
That would be awful.
00:28:52
And a quarter? Yes, exactly.
00:28:55
Like right.
00:28:56
Like, you know, we talked about Tom Brady earlier.
00:28:58
That guy man, today he's, what, 96 or something like that, and he's getting a lit up from behind all the time right now.
00:29:07
I mean, no wonder these older quarterbacks like Ben Roethlisberger right now, as they pointed out on the on the Wednesday night foot or Wednesday afternoon football game.
00:29:18
That he was getting rid of the ball at 2.
00:29:20
2 seconds clip is because he don't want he's tired of getting hit, you know.
00:29:25
Speaking of which, Tom Brady is 642 30.
00:29:28
So he's, uh, he was.
00:29:30
He was bigger than me when I played offensive linemen, you know, like and he's just like the scrawny quarterback rocking the dad bod.
00:29:38
Now let's even like whatever he knows the Giants like Eli Manning in that championship run against the 40 Niners when it was like his job was to keep throwing the ball, knowing that he was going to be getting slapped to the ground.
00:29:53
You talk about the size of these guys, right? Like Eli Manning is not a pushover, dude.
00:29:57
And he was getting dropped to the ground by 300 plus pound lineman play after play after playing, that's all.
00:30:05
It's always wise as a pure Giants fan. I looked the man.
00:30:08
I just go.
00:30:09
I got nothing but respect.
00:30:10
I know everyone always goes like, look, the way he turns away from those throws and kind of goes crumple mode after, Yeah, you're doing 16 weeks in a row for 15, 16 years, you're gonna want to turn away from those things And the fact that, I mean, just in general the fact that these quarterbacks don't break limbs that don't you know they don't suffer.
00:30:27
I'm and I'm actually probably more to the point, the fact that these guys do have injuries consistently every single year, every single week of their careers, and they keep going out and doing it.
00:30:37
I just, you know, go out.
00:30:38
There are no more evident than at the quarterback position.
00:30:41
Oh, especially when you talked about and still going out there.
00:30:44
Philip Rivers is what, the second longest active streak for a player right now or something like that, you know, behind, uh, Brett Farve.
00:30:52
And he's getting crushed.
00:30:55
I mean, he's never had a decent offensive line until this year.
00:30:58
So, you know, he was getting crushed year after year after year and still getting up and playing with horrific injuries.
00:31:03
You know, I have incredible respect for for players just for be able to get up and go out there and play well, By the way, Rivers is a guy that like and you see the wear and tear, right? I mean, like, you could just like he looks like a guy that's been around it and has gone through it.
00:31:18
Some guys come out of it relatively, okay.
00:31:19
I mean, you know, Brett Farve, circa Minnesota Vikings.
00:31:24
You started to see that was getting old.
00:31:26
But I mean, Brett Farve was a dude look spry all the way through the Jets run when he was there for a season, right? Like And that was a dude that, relatively speaking, played his career with pretty much, you know, total abandoned.
00:31:37
You know John Elway.
00:31:39
There's a guy that by the end of his career, when he makes that faithful leap and get smart around, there you go.
00:31:44
Oh, boy, pick up that bag of skin bones there that give him a ring and get him off the field because he was literally dragging his body across the finish line there.
00:31:54
Oh, and I was looking Peyton Manning in his final career or his final Super Bowl, right? It's the same thing, and I think it's just it goes beyond quarterbacks and just football.
00:32:02
I think it just goes beyond, like, professional sports in general, right? Like so.
00:32:08
I'm from Canada, so they're they're all hockey players here, right? And what they say they have respect for football.
00:32:15
That's a contact sport.
00:32:16
But the respect for basketball it's getting a lot better here in this country now because more and more young we all grew up being basketball fans and now we're adults, so basketball is more popular when we were kids with all the You know, old boy hockey fans like old basketball.
00:32:29
You know, you talk to God and there's a foul on blah, blah, blah.
00:32:31
You know, you go get bounced in the paint from shack and get up.
00:32:35
You know what I mean? Like go up when he blocks you and puts his entire frame into you and knocks you to the court at full speed.
00:32:42
Um, there's other things, like it's, you know, in soccer there's a lot of diving, I admit it, but there's times something will happen. Um, I'll go.
00:32:50
Come on And I'll say, You know what? I want you to run at full speed, and I'm just gonna clip the back of your ankle when you run by me, you know? I mean, just doing this into the side of your kids while you're trying to work your way down the field and you soccer for the hardest wants Thio.
00:33:03
Oh, no, because there is diving, but it's there.
00:33:07
But it's even like baseball.
00:33:09
So a buddy of mine played college ball.
00:33:11
He threw a 72 mile an hour fastball.
00:33:14
72.
00:33:15
Okay, that's nothing when you talk.
00:33:17
Compared to Major League Baseball, and I made contact on one of his 72 mile an hour fastballs once, and I thought, my friggin arms, we're gonna fall off.
00:33:25
It hurt so much.
00:33:27
And I just thought, How do these guys hit 100 mile an hour? Fastballs? You mean like and not have their arms fall off for Stink? Because it hurts.
00:33:34
It hurts so much.
00:33:36
And he threw it 72.
00:33:38
I was actually playing catch for softball.
00:33:41
Fast pitch softball, not the slow pitch.
00:33:43
And I was stupid young and was looking over at some girls because I was a teenager, right? As the guy threw two years ago, e was like looking over last week.
00:33:57
Honey, it was funny.
00:33:58
It was I was a teenager.
00:34:00
E think I was 16 when this happened.
00:34:03
So a long, long, you know, back in the dark ages.
00:34:07
Um, but they actually mile per hour.
00:34:12
These and we had one of the fastest pitchers in the state, and I was stupid enough to go.
00:34:17
Wow, you know what? These girls and didn't pay attention and got a fast fit 66 miles an hour.
00:34:22
Softball hit me dead in the chest.
00:34:24
All right.
00:34:25
I'm telling you, if I took it went down, didn't get up for about 20 minutes.
00:34:31
I had to go to the hospital, get checked out from broken ribs, that kind of stuff.
00:34:35
Those guys out there on the at the pictures that get beamed in the head by fastballs.
00:34:42
Uh, no, not those 90 mile an hour thing.
00:34:46
No.
00:34:47
You ain't getting how they get back up and go run the one.
00:34:49
Forget the head.
00:34:50
Okay, if I got a anymore, if I got it in the ribs at 90 miles an hour, that would be my season.
00:34:57
So I think what we're proving here is is none of us are professional athletes.
00:35:01
That's what we're saying here.
00:35:03
Is that it would Yeah. I made the choice.
00:35:05
I was getting a lot of scholarship offers.
00:35:06
Um, but I chose to I chose to turn him down a lot of endor*****ts.
00:35:12
You know what? I I I chose to go with the National park bandanna.
00:35:16
It was a bad, bad decisions.
00:35:17
No, no.
00:35:18
Look, I went through the same thing, man.
00:35:19
After after Canadian college.
00:35:20
When, you know, nobody know, scouts showed up.
00:35:22
I got some calls from, like you know, the Giants and the Patriots, and they're like, Hey, dude, we're looking for a, really, really like beyond undersides, like little person to come play offense, you know? You know, it didn't work out for you with Canadian football.
00:35:37
So as a fallback, maybe the NFL could be an option for you.
00:35:41
Our quarterback is bigger and heavier than you, but we want you to come collect.
00:35:45
His blindside comes, come protect his blind side if you could.
00:35:49
Oh, no, it's crazy like it's insane.
00:35:53
How big and I was playing with elite athletes who were nowhere near good enough to even be on a practice squad in the NFL.
00:36:01
You know what I mean? I have, ah, cousin who played all the way through high school.
00:36:05
I don't think hey had an opportunity to go and play to college, and maybe it would be, too, or something like that here in the States.
00:36:10
But I remember at the time I asked him anything.
00:36:13
I'm not doing it, and I was like, Oh, like, why didn't you? Because he played linemen all through high school and he's a big He's a big guy.
00:36:19
He's probably probably maybe interest you taller than you, Ray, and brought across the top like, you know, well built.
00:36:24
And he was like, I'm just not big enough.
00:36:27
And I don't remember.
00:36:28
I was like, I was like, Oh, he's like, the only thing they suggested to him was if you could If you're quick enough, maybe you could try to be a full back.
00:36:35
You know, you could try to be a lead blocker for somebody they're like, but like, you just don't have what you're going to need the next level and again at the time when we were, you know, just out of high school and get into college and stuff.
00:36:44
I remember being like, but you're one of the biggest guys I know.
00:36:47
They were like, maybe if you're lucky, you could grab on is like a fullback, which is just obviously the the antithesis of, like, my right, my or my left tackle when I played.
00:36:57
So I played left guard in sir.
00:36:58
His name is Sergio Simmons, and he actually watches his show, so he's probably gonna be happy. I'm calling him out.
00:37:03
His name is Sergio Simmons.
00:37:04
He just retired from, like the Canadian Junior League, which is like semi pro here in Canada, which is below our professional league, which is semi pro compared to the NFL.
00:37:14
But he played two years in the CFL.
00:37:17
He was 6 ft three.
00:37:19
He weighed about £300.
00:37:21
He was a big boy, right? Showed up to the CFL.
00:37:24
The first thing they said is, unless you know how to grow, you're not gonna have much of a career here.
00:37:28
And sure enough, he never got on the field because it was at 6 ft three.
00:37:32
He was too short to be an offensive lineman in the CFL.
00:37:36
Like in the Canadian Football League, where all the guys all the division one guys who don't get picked up to an NFL practice squad come and play in the CFL.
00:37:46
We've had some guys like Brandon Browner started his career here.
00:37:48
Doug Flutie started his career after he got cut from the NFL.
00:37:51
Like we've had some guys who have, you know, Vander Jack and them all start in the CFL.
00:37:56
Steve Young passed through there, right? Not Steve Young new, uh, Joe Theismann, Uh, starting started with the Toronto Argos here with us 12 gray cups and then went toe Washington and won one Super Bowl with them.
00:38:11
But it was a lot different, like, but the whole thing was like We get guys that are either like Michael Bishop was the quarterback of the Argos here for a long time.
00:38:20
He was Drew Bledsoe's backup.
00:38:22
He's Tom Brady took his spot, You know what I mean? So then he couldn't get it.
00:38:27
But we lose all our all our top players in the CFL like you get the occasional guy like the Brandon Brown and stuff that go and have career.
00:38:34
Dontrelle Inman was a Toronto Argo won a great cup with us.
00:38:37
He's starting with Washington right now, I believe, but for the most part is we lose our guys to practice squads like we lost the Argos this year, lost their best wide receiver to the Miami Dolphins practice squad.
00:38:51
What? I mean, So the guy who would have made the most money in the CFL, which had been a million dollars, that's it.
00:38:56
You know what I mean By going up to Miami practice squad, he automatically gets 500 grand, but they can make up.
00:39:02
The two were as reading.
00:39:03
Are they could make up to 2.
00:39:04
2 million on the practice squad if they don't get cut.
00:39:07
And they reached this milestone in that milestone.
00:39:09
So we lose them to practice squads.
00:39:11
Well, you know, they don't instead of starting, and it's a different game here.
00:39:14
It's three downs, not four downs.
00:39:16
It's a bigger football, a bigger field.
00:39:18
We, uh, we have 110 yard field or 105 yard field, not 100 not 100 yard field.
00:39:25
Because we have a 55 yard line.
00:39:26
That's a half is a 55 yard line.
00:39:29
I'm learning a lot of stuff about Canadian football that I didn't realize that it's slightly alarming to me way play with 12 men instead of 11.
00:39:38
Well, z even sport.
00:39:40
I mean, what's going on up there? Okay, So first of all, the CFL has been around the league started 140 years ago.
00:39:46
So it's been around longer than the NFL or any of them can't seem to dominate the landscape off professional football.
00:39:53
This is the problem we gave you guys.
00:39:55
Warren Moon.
00:39:56
We gave you a Doug Flutie we gave you.
00:40:01
Think we gave you Doug Flutie.
00:40:02
You know, he was a PC doing his thing before he made his way north of the border.
00:40:07
Yeah, he did nothing.
00:40:10
He got drafted to the Patriots and got cut.
00:40:12
So he came in one like sixth grade cups in Canada.
00:40:16
Use to show your friend that was That was Steve Young.
00:40:20
Was USFL in the States for the Los Angeles Express.
00:40:24
If that tickles anyone's fancy a team that I have no clue about anything.
00:40:28
I think that Jim Kelly started in the USFL, too, because his rookie card is the USFL card.
00:40:34
You know that, by the way, if you have a mint condition USFL set from that year, it's worth like $800.
00:40:41
So anybody who still has a kicking around sell it, It's ah, you know, the worst part.
00:40:46
Thio to sidetrack a show that's been sidetracked.
00:40:49
I would never kid with anything like I was in the Star Wars when I grew up, I was a big beetles kid.
00:40:57
And when they when they came out with, like, Yellow Submarine, there's like official, you know, really official made figurines all this different stuff.
00:41:03
Same thing for like Star Wars figurines when news came out and always right in the case, and I was like, I was a kid.
00:41:10
I was like, Well, ripped that thing open.
00:41:11
Let's start poking around with it here.
00:41:13
There was no guy I could not bring myself to be like my parents.
00:41:17
You know, my dad like, Hey, this could be a collector's item And I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna go dunk it in the toilet and E can open up But you know, I'm a bone legal polar, as he would, as he would say, and I just I could not do that same thing with, like, even trading cards.
00:41:31
I liked having them, but I was a kid that wants, like, take them out of their sleeve and keep looking at the stats and then put him back in football the edges and then turn out that have to be totally worthless and eventually throw them away and have them, you know, you completely useless.
00:41:43
So credited kid out there who could respect that kind of.
00:41:46
Yeah, I'm a card collector now, and I buy cards that I know I owned when I was a kid that I had epic battles, you know, what I mean epic hockey games or epic football games where they were just crushing each other.
00:42:00
It was man and just destroyed them on the ice, ripping up Pavel Berry rookie card.
00:42:07
Yeah, I only wish I had the cards that I had E had Reggie White rookie cards and everything else.
00:42:19
My goodness, man.
00:42:20
Growing up, I was a huge card collector and then I got out.
00:42:24
I blew my knee out after the state championship game and realized I don't wanna play football leading anymore, even though I had scholarships to go to college is, but the pain was too much.
00:42:35
And I just so again respect to NFL players, you know, because I know what it's like to have to come back from that and I wanted no part of it.
00:42:43
And but I had all these cars.
00:42:46
I ended up giving them away because I wanted nothing to do with football for like a year and a half two years after that injury.
00:42:52
And I wish I had them back because, like I said, I had the entire 1986 NFL tops collection.
00:43:01
When I go to card shows and I'm buying stuff like the big convention and stuff.
00:43:06
There's always guys like Lawrence walking around going.
00:43:09
I usedto have this card and not card, and now I'm paying you $140 for it.
00:43:15
I had the mall and it's either my mother threw them out or I gave up.
00:43:19
You know, you said You said You said the show was off the rails or is never a rail to begin with that way literally walked in here with no plan.
00:43:29
Can we just admit people? We started talking a minute before the show? What are we gonna We all thought we were doing a pre game tonight? Let's just admit how astute we are at our jobs.
00:43:37
Here's the reality.
00:43:38
Here is the reality of your friends, By the way.
00:43:40
Well, you also tell it's going off the rails because I had this, at least in my mind, if I keep myself right about here, you know? But where the bandanna That's okay.
00:43:47
It's respectable.
00:43:48
And the problem is, is I've turned my head down occasionally.
00:43:51
E, get that East Ventura to kind of vibe after they mess with him in that tribe.
00:43:58
So, yeah, things have not gone great let's just say and that.
00:44:00
But in the pre show, things didn't go great.
00:44:04
Live on air.
00:44:05
I'd say we're pretty much crushing it.
00:44:06
E think we are.
00:44:08
You want to get into that? You want to get to the P.
00:44:10
D.
00:44:11
S? You wanna start taking them right? You're you're trying.
00:44:14
You're trying to revive your career.
00:44:15
I need Yes, I believe that I could get back into the game.
00:44:18
I know most people are retired at my retired at my age, but I'm I'm gonna make my comeback.
00:44:23
No, Will Fuller and Roby got suspended both for banned substance, six games apiece.
00:44:29
So they're done for the season.
00:44:30
And this is actually gonna be a very heavy topic on our podcast night.
00:44:34
But I wanted to throw it out to you guys and get your opinion.
00:44:36
So I'm a guy who actually iss so split on performance enhancing drugs because I know the effects that it can have on younger kids in college and high school kids.
00:44:47
I feel like they need to take it to get older.
00:44:49
But I'm also a guy that always sits there and goes Man, baseball was better with steroids.
00:44:56
You know what I mean, when I think of the Mark McGwire days and the Sosa's and the Barry Bonds and just, you know, you knew you were gonna go to a ball game and see at least four home runs and that kind of thing, and it's like, you know, you watch and and it's they used to be, you know, meat robots, right? And now they're like, they're humans and it's It's frustrating right now, but it's a thing.
00:45:15
It's like PDS or band.
00:45:16
If you take me to be suspended, that's not my argument here, right? What do you guys think, though, about professional athletes? To do this? For a living who are entertainers? That's what they are. We got to see what they are.
00:45:28
We watch sports for entertainment, right? It's not a way of life.
00:45:31
I don't know.
00:45:32
I'm split because I don't want a younger generation to take steroids.
00:45:36
But I'm looking to professional athletes going these air adults that could make decisions, you know what I mean? Are you guys really opposed to steroids? Okay, there are situations where I am opposed to it, but it's on a different level.
00:45:51
I don't think well, especially with the NFL.
00:45:54
The NFL is full of guys who are Aziz.
00:45:56
You guys we've been talking all day are just massive, monstrous people that they don't need it for us to enjoy the game that we're watching.
00:46:05
It was just a flat back.
00:46:07
They work out, they take their protein shakes and all that other stuff and their shots that they need tohave toe, go out there and play with the pain that they're they're going through, which, by the way, happens every game toe, like at least three or four different people.
00:46:22
I'm telling you that it happens in high school if you don't know about it.
00:46:25
But but most guys aren't taking HGH to get big.
00:46:28
No, you're taking it to hell.
00:46:30
You know what I mean? That's the whole thing.
00:46:31
It's a recovery.
00:46:33
It's like it's like, you know, if you're if you're trying to get over something, I think there should be a time frame where you're okay that the NFL is okay with it.
00:46:45
Uh, like Robert Mathis.
00:46:47
In the last couple years of his career, he was hit for having PD in the system, right, and was nailed with a massive fine.
00:46:57
Come to find.
00:46:58
You know what that p D was? It was a Perella T enhancement drugs that his doctor gave him because he was trying to get his wife pregnant.
00:47:06
Well, Ben Watson was suspended for the first four games of the season last year because he actually thought he was retiring after this season.
00:47:13
Right this season before wind saw his doctor.
00:47:16
And, you know, his body was beat up from playing professional football.
00:47:18
So they put him on a steroid regimen, toe Thio.
00:47:21
He was some healing, and they decided to go back to football.
00:47:24
And he had taken a test before he made that decision.
00:47:27
Knew was gonna be dirty because he hadn't retired.
00:47:29
U I thought I'm retired anyways, whatever.
00:47:30
And then decided to go back to football When? When The patriots of the site and says, Hey, I gotta tell you something.
00:47:35
I'm gonna get suspended because I tested dirty, because here's what happened, right? That's my thing.
00:47:39
You got a guy like Joe Burrow right now.
00:47:41
I'm not saying guys should go to the gym.
00:47:43
You don't get a shot in the ass in the in the locker room.
00:47:46
You what? I mean, like the old you? Nobody.
00:47:48
You know, the old school bodybuilders seventies? Yeah, the same sort of God, but no.
00:47:55
But a guy like Joe Burrow who's got all these, you know, he's basically got his whole knee reconstructed.
00:47:59
At what, 20 held 23 24 years old.
00:48:02
You know, steroids can help with the healing process that can help with the building process.
00:48:06
It can strengthen the knee when he goes back that perhaps he can have a full career because he can come back from this injury from a full recovery and never be the same.
00:48:14
Ella Carson Wentz.
00:48:16
So Okay, so here's my thing about it, though, because the very surface thing is, you wanna take stairs.
00:48:24
Go ahead.
00:48:25
Well, you're talking about competitive balance.
00:48:27
You can't make guys that don't want to use steroids. Use steroids.
00:48:30
Now I know.
00:48:31
Then we say, Well, we're talking about the healing process, and that's true.
00:48:34
But look, go back and look at the old tape of the NFL 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
00:48:41
These guys don't look the same.
00:48:42
So there's there's a big difference. Maybe they're not.
00:48:45
Look, you said they're not looking to get jacked up out of their minds, But it's like in baseball.
00:48:49
It wasn't just about being able to hit a home run the way that Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa were.
00:48:54
It was about being able to get your bad around faster.
00:48:57
It's about being able to have the reaction time to speed the quickness.
00:49:00
Talk about a will Fuller.
00:49:01
You wouldn't on the surface go like I probably uses steroids.
00:49:04
Yeah, well, guess what if you're kind of your thing is kind of being a burner wide receiver, and that's pretty much all that you are.
00:49:10
And that's what your predicated on doing a little bit of steroids is gonna keep you fast.
00:49:15
It's gonna keep you fast into your late twenties.
00:49:17
It's gonna prevent you from falling off.
00:49:19
The cliff is, you get into your thirties, and if you talk about guys that aren't gonna get a contract because Will Fuller still in the league right instead of a younger player having an opportunity on a roster getting a pay day, you know there's a lot of there's a lot of integrity, the game kind of stuff.
00:49:32
But there's just a lot of things that it's hard to balance that out and say, All right, everybody started doing steroids.
00:49:38
Let's get this thing going.
00:49:39
And by the way, they've also said to that part of the reason why you see more and more injuries, not even NFL, even the in baseball, too.
00:49:46
It's because when you're such a finely tuned machine, right, I may be not afraid if you use this ****ogy or not.
00:49:52
But the idea of you know we have, like a really ***y sports car that thing is like go for a cruise around and get people to look at you and think, Oh my God, that's amazing because guess what? It's gonna break down as you turn around the corner.
00:50:04
It's going to go into the shop.
00:50:05
It's gonna be maintenance and upkeep all the time.
00:50:08
Whereas a Honda Civic, that thing is gonna keep getting where you need to go.
00:50:12
It's always gonna be serviceable.
00:50:13
It's never gonna win your drag race.
00:50:15
But it will always be on the road for you.
00:50:16
And that's kind of the difference here.
00:50:18
And I don't I don't know if, especially the NFL.
00:50:22
I just don't think there's any going back on what the game looks like now.
00:50:27
I don't think that fans could make that adjustment, whereas in baseball I would make the argument that steroid use and what that did to the game even after they moved it out.
00:50:36
Basically, it was, well, everybody loves the long ball.
00:50:39
So now how do we manufacture that? And now you have a bunch of guys that air striking out Mawr doing the launch angle, trying to get this thing out of the out of the park and the quality of the game.
00:50:49
The style of the game is completely been diminished.
00:50:53
I don't know if it's worth putting on because I'm not a big baseball fan these days, but a game where there's hitting runs and bunts and moving runners over, and all those kind of intangible things like that's the best thing that baseball could ever hope to be.
00:51:06
This version of baseball, which is the product of steroid error, is not a good game.
00:51:12
It's not a good product.
00:51:13
That's why baseball is flailing about what they're going to be.
00:51:15
No and well in the Major league baseball, they just juice up their balls, right.
00:51:18
I mean, they're still denying it.
00:51:20
But even Rawlings has admitted they were Yeah, they were made to juice up the baseball.
00:51:24
Yeah, the baseball, baseball, but to give more lunch.
00:51:27
But okay, but let's talk about it because I'm just talking PDS and sports in general.
00:51:30
I'm not just talking specifically to football because I think about pitchers in baseball.
00:51:34
And I read, um, I read Tom hankies book.
00:51:37
I don't know if you guys know who Tom Hanky ways he used to.
00:51:39
He was a picture on the Blue Jays and he was talking about all the problems that he had after baseball with his arm.
00:51:46
And he went and saw, you know, like one of the best Ortho surgeons in the world, right? And the guy basically said to him, pitching is the most unnatural thing that somebody can do to their body.
00:51:57
The human body is not designed to crank your shoulder back, turn your wrist and put your elbow at that direction And throw is hard as you move your arm and emotion is hard as you can ah, 100 times a game.
00:52:09
You know what I mean? Or if you're a reliever, you know, 506 100 times Ah, year.
00:52:14
And it just has huge, huge day.
00:52:16
And that's why all those guys now as 16 year olds, are getting elective Tommy John surgery to get those tenants removed.
00:52:23
What I mean, and now they're doing things to alter their body to pitch.
00:52:26
This doctor told him that with the new human growth hormones, right that you can avoid a lot of those shoulder deterioration, elbow deterioration, risk deterioration that these pictures air getting it wouldn't even it might put a mile on their fastball.
00:52:46
You what? I mean, it's not gonna do anything that with the movement, it's not gonna do anything else.
00:52:50
But it's gonna keep all of that intact in a place where you could see pictures actually have.
00:52:55
I mean, every great pitchers had a surgery like when you put it that way.
00:52:58
Every great pitchers had a surgery on their arms somewhere around the line because the human body is just not designed to move that way, right? So I wonder if we've got to start looking at exceptions to some of these rules.
00:53:09
Yeah, the ball is gonna go from 96 95 96.
00:53:12
You know, that's actually not that big of a difference.
00:53:15
You know what I mean, it's not gonna do anything to the movement.
00:53:18
You know, steroids isn't gonna change the movement of your ball.
00:53:20
You still have toe have know how to pitch to move.
00:53:23
But that's not it's not. It's not true, though.
00:53:25
It's not true, because the snap, the snap that you can get on it is increased.
00:53:29
If if you're if you're supplementing with now and by the way, for perceptually just the idea of like what steroids was versus what HDs HDs has a ton off functional strong applications that are worthwhile using.
00:53:41
But again, like I I lean more in the direction off.
00:53:44
Okay, why don't you go ahead and build up the mound a little bit more? Because then you get the downward angle and that changes that gives an advantage to a picture.
00:53:52
Why don't you move them out a little bit closer to home plate? You have to take into account about the risk of getting hit potentially whatever.
00:53:57
But if you move the mound three yards closer to home plate, and now all of a sudden, throwing 70 miles an hour actually looks like 90 miles an hour now, pictures don't have to put his much strain on their arm to get that velocity up, so on.
00:54:11
And this isn't me going against it.
00:54:13
It's just me, you know.
00:54:14
I think that there are there are non.
00:54:16
We'll call it invasive ways off, creating the same level of excitement around a given sport without having to be having it to be like we need to go ahead and start injecting ourselves or taking hormones or potentially putting ourselves in a health risk in that time taking spectrum.
00:54:30
And that's the idea is about kids, right? How do you avoid this just becoming the standard of what kids know they're gonna dio? How do you avoid kids saying it's 16? I'm getting elective Tommy John surgery because it's just the nature off what it is to play baseball.
00:54:42
Um, you know, And on top of which two, unlike baseball and maybe it should be looked at the same way.
00:54:47
There's something about you wanna get awfully philosophical around a sport that I enjoy.
00:54:51
Watching NFL is not a natural sport for human beings to play.
00:54:55
There's a reality of Hey, guess what? This isn't what we should be doing.
00:54:58
Yeah, the human brain.
00:55:00
There's room in there for the brain to move around.
00:55:03
It's not supposed to be knocking against the wall all over and over again, right? I mean, this isn't not breaking new ground here, but we culturally like it too much, right? So we can't let it go.
00:55:13
I mean, that's just a mechanism of how of how the human mind works in that regard of Yeah, we get it.
00:55:20
You guys were all severely injuring your bodies and potentially giving yourself long term health risks.
00:55:25
And that stinks.
00:55:26
So we're gonna make this a really a really frugal sport.
00:55:31
Really, really financially viable sport.
00:55:33
So now if I tell you, I'll pay you millions of dollars to break your body.
00:55:37
Guess what? You're more inclined to do that.
00:55:39
That if I said, would you do it for the love of the game? So maney athlete to use that line.
00:55:43
But if I told you I was only gonna pay you minimum wage to do it, you see a lot of guys walking off the N F field NFL fields, walking back into colleges and saying, Hey, what what are my long term goals here and how do I sustain myself? Flew there is that balance of it, you know there is, and you and it is in football is very unnatural.
00:55:59
Support another sport that I've always been a combat sport fan and participant box Love the box on gun.
00:56:05
I really got into UFC when it became really not when it was like a street fight, but when it became regulated and became mixed martial arts and you had really martial art artists in there and soccer is a sneaky is a sneaky, sneaky concussion.
00:56:20
Sport is well, they're under reported.
00:56:23
I played football, soccer and box and had more injuries and more concussions in soccer than I had in boxing and football and hockey I played hockey is well grown up, but I agree with you.
00:56:33
I watch the fights and I'm watching guys pound each other and stretch limbs and do things that's unnatural.
00:56:40
And look it and I go and I watch it and go right like, uh, but both my kids were training a mixed martial arts right now.
00:56:47
You know, I've had the minute since they were six years old.
00:56:48
They go to a martial arts gym.
00:56:49
My one daughter is working towards a black belt in mixed martial arts.
00:56:53
See what I mean? She goes toe.
00:56:54
It's owned by Terry Riggs, who trained Carlos Newton, who is a former UFC champion.
00:56:59
You what? I mean, this guy's like a 10 time judo champion of the world champion, and it's like I'm setting my kids up to that.
00:57:05
Are excited to get into a cage and fight, you know what I mean? And yet I'll sit there and watch the fight on TV and go, Oh, God, you know, like, Oh, it's so yeah, you're right, it's we do.
00:57:16
It's almost like watching the train wreck, right? It's like, 00 she's gonna get hit.
00:57:20
She's gonna get hit But we never take her eyes away, you know, even though we know what the end result is gonna be.
00:57:25
Okay, so, um, I'm going to admit I've only watched one soccer full soccer game from beginning to end in my life, and I'm admitting this because an injury that happened on the soccer field and I have a question for Ray on.
00:57:40
Does soccer have an ejection system? Because I watched this game where ah guy on defensively was coming at an offensive guy.
00:57:53
He slid to take the ball away and he was going to get it.
00:57:58
And the guy with the ball then went down, angled his shoe up and planted his cleat right in the face of the other guy.
00:58:06
Alright? And dropped him like a rock.
00:58:09
And he was not ejected from the game.
00:58:12
I'm a, uh that right there, Lawrence, that's a message.
00:58:17
Don't try to slide that.
00:58:18
Dont slide.
00:58:19
Yeah, that's a That's a good move.
00:58:21
I used to like sliding with my spikes up.
00:58:24
No, but and soccer You'll hardly ever see the offensive player get the foul.
00:58:31
Right? Um, he's gonna say that he took me out with the slide.
00:58:35
And when it all depends when you watch to soccer has changed a lot.
00:58:39
It goes through, I find out, Um, I don't know if you could say this, too.
00:58:42
I find, like, every like, 8 to 10 years.
00:58:44
It's sort of transitions into different like right now, um, I find it to be a very ticky tack of sport where it's it's just if you touch a guys back there, they're calling a foul like it's a very stop league now.
00:58:56
Whereas the Premier League of Past these guys would almost be having fistfights on the field and the refs would let things go, you know, Um, well, it's interesting to Sorry, just zoom in terms off.
00:59:07
You know, Premier League, Buddhist League, Syria.
00:59:10
Like depending on where you're watching, that's that's like Italian league German League Lawrence or, you know, the Premier League over over in England, just, you know, his reference, or MLS, even which is getting better in terms of this product on the field.
00:59:21
But these leagues do go through evolutions where? I mean, I've always said, like the German league.
00:59:26
You'll see this on the national teams.
00:59:28
They're always very technical, right.
00:59:30
There are very sound constructed team.
00:59:32
Usually you can think about the regions of the world and how the style of play is by the national teams.
00:59:36
You see during World Cup play, Um, you know, Brazil, there's gonna be more flamboyant.
00:59:41
There's gonna be more not even theatrics.
00:59:43
I just mean is gonna be more of a beautiful sport, right? Same thing with Italian soccer a little bit quicker paced.
00:59:47
Um, you know, soccer down south, South and South America or, you know, down in Mexico is a little more scrappy, thes guys kind of like to still mix it up during the during the play.
00:59:58
And then even after the whistle gets blown to your point.
01:00:00
Right now, Premier League is going through a very soft phase, I'll say.
01:00:05
And I think it's just that's one way of saying that they're trying to figure out Yeah, but you know.
01:00:12
But you know what it is to me, though, is that they're trying to figure out how do we go from being a physical league just to make the soccer in general.
01:00:19
How do we go from being a much more physical kind of sport to then getting into a real flop, ticky tack kind of state? How do we keep this thing upright? And it's almost like hockey.
01:00:28
It's what hockey went through when they started trying to clamp down on the fighting.
01:00:31
And they want to get it more of an open game, a clean game and really showcase the the true talent and beauty of the players on the ice, right? Same thing for soccer at some point is gonna have to come down to defenders.
01:00:41
And this is not that easy to just go.
01:00:43
You know what I'm gonna dio.
01:00:44
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna just I'm not gonna get up on top of this guy knowing this could be a ticky tack call there and you gotta live with staying upright.
01:00:50
And it takes guys like Messi who is notorious for not going down, right? He keeps himself up when he fights through all the little ticky tack place.
01:00:57
And that's how he finds himself in the box with those beautiful goals.
01:01:00
So it's it's kind of a decision making thing you've seen in the n b A.
01:01:03
And you know, I mean, you see in the NFL, right? Like brand full circle you see in the NFL when wide receivers, you know, you know now, well, my my dad, my dad has a theory, and I think it's I think it's true because he's the one who complains about it the most, right? Like he's the one. I get it from the most.
01:01:20
But I'm starting to agree with him is a lot of stop.
01:01:21
I hate V a r.
01:01:22
By the way, the e.
01:01:24
I don't even know if I could celebrate a goal anymore, but I don't Even so, I just wait because I just wait to see if there's gonna be a boxing out.
01:01:31
But my dad called me.
01:01:33
He made a really good point, and I agree, he said.
01:01:36
Soccer, he said, is blowing up in North America and more particularly the United States.
01:01:42
ESPN is covering the Bundesliga, he said, Right, because he says, like they're covering the Germany.
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They're covering the Premier Li there, covering all the international tournaments.
01:01:51
You know, the U.
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S team in the U.
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S.
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Women's team is getting more and more recognition.
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It's becoming a big sport in the country.
01:01:57
And I said, Yeah, and he goes Americans like goals, right? He says, Because what you and because we're the same here in Canada and he goes, What is he? Goes all the non soccer fans here? What do they always say? Oh, yeah, 00 game.
01:02:09
Oh, yeah, one. Nothing game.
01:02:11
That's exciting, right? So his he and and and it's going to what you're saying, he explained to me.
01:02:16
The way it goes, they want this to be a free flowing game that every game is like 54 and there's no defending and it's it's not, you're no longer gonna have the 6 ft eight defenders who are trying to muscle guys out of the box.
01:02:26
Everybody's gonna be a striker on the field.
01:02:28
You're gonna see center backs, he says.
01:02:29
Going up and jumping into the and you're seeing it.
01:02:32
Now you're seeing Centreback's jumping into the offense in these high line.
01:02:36
You saw it with Bayern Munich, who won the Champions League.
01:02:38
They're lying is so high because they're defenders play like like midfielders, right? So it's just a very changing game.
01:02:45
Well, that's what they do with hockey.
01:02:47
This is hockey made this choice a handful of years ago.
01:02:50
They said, We're gonna We're gonna drown in the water if we don't figure out how to get more goals on the ice because nobody wants to see the 21 games anymore.
01:02:57
They want to see 54 right? And so they made the adjustments that change, that they made a couple tweaks and guess what? The sport probably is a little bit more exciting.
01:03:04
I don't think it's been terribly diminished, per, you know, per se.
01:03:07
I actually think that hockey is better without some of the extra violence that you don't necessarily need without taking away what is.
01:03:14
Sometimes you need to have hard hits, etcetera.
01:03:16
Um, I think soccer would probably benefit from that, right? Wouldn't you like to see a lot of crossing over sports? It's the idea of like in the N B A.
01:03:24
You get down inside of the ark, you start to turn your back to the basket.
01:03:27
You wanna back down a defender, right? Use your body, get into the lane, turn, get a little layup.
01:03:32
Wouldn't you like to see that more in soccer, where the ideas you get those passes in and around the 18 it's about It is about possession, right? It is about shielding off your defender and trying to create opportunities for everybody.
01:03:42
Now it still comes down to How do you get past the hump of guys going? Well, he touched my shoulder.
01:03:47
I'm now on the ground that I want my free kick.
01:03:49
Offensive players have to make that choice toe play through some of the little contact, and then you could actually get to a really exciting point.
01:03:55
Also, shame on your father for blaming the United States for tearing for candidates who he blamed North America, but no he said.
01:04:02
As it grows, look, the money is in the United States.
01:04:06
Even though it's, you know, soccer is huge in Europe.
01:04:09
Those ESPN in the US for for 20 years in those US TV rights deals and all those kind of things, they'll pay big money for those, right? So the league's air going to listen.
01:04:21
The NHL would do whatever it could to appeal to more than the six U S Markets it appeals to, You know what I mean? Like, I have a theory that the NHL could pull every American team minus like Detroit, Boston, New York, You know what I mean? Like those those sort of original six hub markets, right? And give every other team to Canada and they'd made the exact same amount of money.
01:04:43
You know what I mean? Like, you can't put it down because here hot and I hate hockey.
01:04:47
I'm not a hockey fan, but here it's like hockey night in Canada.
01:04:50
My God, it's like a national holiday every Saturday.
01:04:53
You know what I mean? Like it's and people love their hockey, right, But it's my whole That's my whole thing, though, but it's still everybody cares about the American money because we don't even know they make the same The Canadian sponsorships.
01:05:07
Not the reason the NFL will never come to Canada, by the way, is because our sponsorship money here will never touch the US money.
01:05:15
You know what I mean? And the thing is, when you're playing A when we watch the games here, I'm not watching the same commercials.
01:05:21
You guys, You know what I mean? I don't even see the national anthem.
01:05:24
I didn't even know that You guys regularly see the national anthem for regular games.
01:05:29
They don't show that here for us.
01:05:31
I thought that I thought that that was only for the Super Bowl, that they actually saw the need, the kneeling stuff.
01:05:36
I didn't realize you guys actually watched that live.
01:05:39
You know what I mean? Like, because here they don't even show it.
01:05:41
We're watching Canadian Ford commercials or something here.
01:05:44
Why can pull back the curtain on that too? Just that, you know, the national anthem getting aired on TV wasn't a thing in the NFL up until about.
01:05:51
I mean, you know, if I said 7 to 10 years ago, it's probably somewhere in that range.
01:05:55
Um, but that's a that's a, uh ah, government subsidized activity.
01:06:00
That's something that that was a contract with the NFL in order to perform that live on that.
01:06:05
Give me that.
01:06:06
But I never thought about the idea of what? Of what you're seeing relative to what we see down here.
01:06:10
You know, we don't way made a rule here.
01:06:13
So the R version will you guys have what to see? Uh, the monitors, all the TVs and stuff down there.
01:06:20
We have our own Canadian version of that.
01:06:22
I forget what they call yours.
01:06:23
And they put a rule out two years ago that we could start getting American commercials on the Super Bowl because we used to have to go on YouTube the next day to see all the Super Bowl commercials because we would get our regular ass Canadian commercials.
01:06:35
That's all we would get here and then that Canada wouldn't do like, um, New York to see the US commercials.
01:06:41
But was Canada doing, you know, high priced commercial spots? That one.
01:06:46
It's the ones we saw that afternoon.
01:06:50
So we watch.
01:06:51
So we watch CBS, we hear Jim Nance and Tony Romo, but When we cut to commercial, we just cut to our regular Canadian commercials and you guys cut to whatever.
01:07:00
You know, you guys get commercials.
01:07:01
So we always heard about these great Super Bowl ads.
01:07:04
Those will always be the news things, right? All this guy was in a Super Bowl ad two years ago.
01:07:08
We finally got to see it, and then all the Canadian companies broadcasting companies freaked out because they're not making a sent off of that right.
01:07:17
They were trying to do the R C T V.
01:07:20
Who it's connected to TSN, which is like our ESPN here.
01:07:24
They had a contest on the Super Bowl that year that they're giving away $23 million prizes.
01:07:30
So they're going away $6 million because they were terrified.
01:07:34
Nobody was gonna watch the Super Bowl on their channel because we all wanted to watch it on CBS and see the U.
01:07:39
S.
01:07:40
Super Bowl commercials because we've heard about all these great commercials.
01:07:42
I'll tell you what, guys.
01:07:43
I was let down over, by the way.
01:07:46
So, by the way, I don't know nothing like that, but when you have never seen them, okay, and that's all you've been waiting for.
01:07:53
We were very let down.
01:07:55
This is the worst part because all these bills up and I'm like, Oh, my God, like you're a decade too late for like, e you're you're a little late on the whole but bull stuff and things of that.
01:08:05
No.
01:08:06
So, yeah, I was We were very let down and we watched it on TSN the next year.
01:08:09
But now they've canceled again.
01:08:11
They brought it to court and won.
01:08:13
So now it's just Canadian commercials again.
01:08:14
So yes, so we could listen.
01:08:16
And I've had a conversation that box here at SportsCastr because season's coming to an end.
01:08:21
Things are gonna change for us, right? We're not going to do in pre games anymore.
01:08:24
So we need different things.
01:08:26
And I've talked to him about bringing a Canadian flair to SportsCastr news because you guys don't understand the way we consume Sports in Canada is very different than how you guys consume it in the US, we don't have these heavy debate shows and stuff here.
01:08:40
Like when we watch SportsCenter, we literally are just watching highlights and news and hearing about the latest news.
01:08:46
Uh, maybe an insider comes in to give, like, you know, a couple of reporters come on to give what they've heard.
01:08:51
We don't around.
01:08:52
Yeah, we don't have skipping Shannon screaming at each other.
01:08:55
You know what I mean? Like, it's It's a very our radio shows here in Canada are not confrontational.
01:09:01
Shows its reporters who come on and when athletes are on the coast, the coast or kissing their ass, they're not asking them controversial questions.
01:09:09
They're just saying, Like, how are you guys preparing for this? Is this team difficult? Is this you know, like, what? You might hear the press conference, right? So I was telling this to our boss.
01:09:17
I was like, Yeah, you go.
01:09:18
And I learned this as I started doing YouTube coming here.
01:09:20
How differently Americans consume sports to how Canadians do it.
01:09:26
Right? It's But I found no in, uh, nearly even though, as it migrated over, you know, Was it NBC Sports Network coverage it here on the weekends in the morning? And and now it has, you know, ESPN gasses coverage as well.
01:09:42
But when you initially when that was first coming in the commentary, which is primarily, you know, you're British commentators and British host talking about the game and former players.
01:09:52
Same thing like my my brother, who played soccer.
01:09:54
Thio talk about someone who got hurt.
01:09:57
Um, he was a guy that was going to go on full scholarship to a college play soccer somewhere Summer league before his senior year in high school.
01:10:04
Did in were the right way from that injury.
01:10:11
But when we used to watch the commentary, how did you lose me? Yeah, for a moment he was playing in high school, had a scholarship and then got hacked into me, clean it in the kneecap, and that was the end of his career.
01:10:24
But when we watch soccer on the weekends to pass right over my brother's gruesome injury way used to stay.
01:10:30
It was so much nicer toe watch it when it was the British commentators because everything was just about the matchup, the strategy, expectations, everything was hyper focused on the sport itself.
01:10:40
Where did you say we all know it here, right? You get up and watch Fox on the Sunday any of these networks, I'm not singling them out.
01:10:45
It's just like six hours of pregame coverage.
01:10:49
What could possibly go on here that we haven't heard for the last five days.
01:10:53
And there's just something about, you know, being a bloated market being oversaturated by it. So e.
01:10:58
I always think about that.
01:10:59
And that's actually something that I've enjoyed We talk about SportsCastr in general is we've been kind of able to dictate what we want to talk about it.
01:11:05
Z Why I talk offensive line on O g. P.
01:11:08
Because I got to tell you what I want to talk about the O.
01:11:10
It's why we have end up having, you know, I think nuanced conversation.
01:11:14
It's never really we're sitting here unless it's about the Pro Bowl having really, you know, in your face, back and forth, you know, kind of nonsense stuff.
01:11:21
It's usually, Hey, let's dive in a little bit deeper on these topics because hopefully it comes across is interesting.
01:11:27
And as this season comes to an end to my friends to the north, you know we'll see you soon.
01:11:32
Well, and yeah, you know what? I've I guess I've kind of spilled the beans a little bit, but we're in talks now.
01:11:37
Our boss and I have of me adapting into more of this Canadian style of SportsCastr.
01:11:43
You know what I mean of just doing And I'm hoping toe bring you guys along to she'll come.
01:11:50
You know what I mean.
01:11:51
But focusing more on the ****ytic side rather than Lawrence.
01:11:55
You'll remember when we first started SportsCastr news NFL, it was a debate show.
01:11:59
It was just Joe and I yelling at each other, and you kind of trying to mediate and then start stirring the pot and then backing up and letting us yell at each other.
01:12:07
But Joe Joe is the perfect.
01:12:09
I'm sorry.
01:12:10
Like I don't I don't like stereotypes, but he's the perfect us broadcaster, right? Like there was times that he would message me and be like, What side do you sit on? You know what I mean? Like what side you tonight s so that we could debate that night.
01:12:22
And to me, that's very un.
01:12:23
Not even on the natural debater.
01:12:25
It's unnatural for me in sports because usually I'm used to like Hey, you know, the Giants, You know they're not doing well.
01:12:30
But tell me about this.
01:12:31
Tell me about that.
01:12:32
How could they improve? Its not like Hey, you and the Giants suck.
01:12:35
They're never gonna win a game.
01:12:36
And it's That's not how we consume sports.
01:12:39
Well, by the way, this is why I'm not good on Twitter, because I don't.
01:12:43
Whenever I make a comment about something, the lead, it always is.
01:12:47
My natural instinct is to be like I could get where you're coming from there.
01:12:51
I do wonder about this piece of it.
01:12:53
Oh, yeah, that's a good.
01:12:54
That's a good idea.
01:12:55
But I might go this direction.
01:12:57
None of that gets you any traction when all it wants to someone to be like, It's like you got a burn, that guy like scorched earth and tell him how awful he is.
01:13:05
This thing.
01:13:06
Oh, but I just don't.
01:13:07
I just don't have it in me.
01:13:08
You're too nice for Twitter.
01:13:09
I just want to say one thing about that whole five hour pregame prep up thing.
01:13:14
Most people.
01:13:16
A lot of that is because nowadays especially, you're dropping this on YouTube, right? And it's being cut up, right? It's being cut up in tow.
01:13:24
This is this team versus this team or this.
01:13:26
This part about this one player blah, blah, blah and now you've got people who are just sitting there like you and me and other people who are consuming this.
01:13:36
Go to YouTube and we don't go.
01:13:37
All right.
01:13:38
I wanna watch the NBC pregame show all five hours of it.
01:13:41
No, no, no.
01:13:42
We're looking directly to find that clip of where they're talking about our favorite players in our favorite team.
01:13:48
And so for five hours, they're breaking down different teams, different players, so that it would, you know, do that.
01:13:57
I kind of like that idea what you're talking about, Ray of just, um just just bringing out the news and ****ysis for each individual team because as much as Adam be excited about how we're gonna talk about the return of, say, Kwan Barkley, He could give a rat's behind on whether or not Teddy Bridgewater is gonna have a good game next week, you know, and I'll tell you, I'll tell you from a Canadian perspective.
01:14:23
And then, guys, we're gonna have to wrap this up because my next show starts in, like, 22 minutes, and I need to keep prepping for it, but, um, e gotta have games on.
01:14:33
You can't.
01:14:34
You can't leave us tomorrow.
01:14:35
Do you think this is what happens? We've been on for over an hour.
01:14:37
But no.
01:14:38
I'll tell you, from a Canadian perspective, what I've really noticed.
01:14:41
Present company excluded.
01:14:43
Basically, anybody on SportsCastr excluded because it's all very knowledgeable.
01:14:47
One thing I found about a lot of American fans.
01:14:50
Try talking to them about somebody outside of their own team and they can't tell you much, you know what I mean? There's such a singular focus on their own team.
01:15:00
They know the big players, right? Like everybody knows Patrick Mahomes.
01:15:03
Every knows Tyreek Hill like, you know, or your rivals.
01:15:05
But you start getting into, like the middle linebackers unless the guy's a riel.
01:15:11
I I I did raise uses rant today, which is ah little rant ideo you about Sony Michelle.
01:15:19
I found out that the Patriots basically did a coin flip about whether to draft Sony Michelle or Darius Leonard.
01:15:26
And I'm really upset that Sony Michelle won the coin toss.
01:15:29
I mean, look, he he helped us get to a Super Bowl, but there is.
01:15:32
Leonard would have been our linebacker for the next 10 years, you know, high towers about to retire it would have been amazing.
01:15:39
And to be fair, you shouldn't be flipping a coin about a linebacker or running back.
01:15:43
That should be an automatic linebacker selection.
01:15:45
I don't think they flip the coin, but it was tight.
01:15:47
They didn't know what to do.
01:15:48
And they realized, you know what? And look, Michelle random to a Super Bowl, so I'm not mad about the pick.
01:15:52
But I'm saying we could have had Darius Leonard.
01:15:55
I'm kind of doing that thing.
01:15:56
There's people who tweeted me after there.
01:15:57
Like, who the hell is Darius Leonard? Because they on Lee know about the Patriots, right? Like what? Guys like us pay attention to everything and because of what we do, we learn even more because now I'm fine.
01:16:09
I'm paying attention, things I didn't even pay attention to before because I kind of need to now, right, but like this, like I said, us on SportsCastr is different.
01:16:17
But I realized a lot of American fans are very one team centric where if you come talk to the typical Canadian about a sport they like like so you talk to a leaf and like hockey, they will tell you the third line sentiment of the Minnesota Wild.
01:16:30
That's the team.
01:16:31
That's what they called right.
01:16:32
The Wild, the Minnesota Wild or the Detroit Stars.
01:16:33
Like they know player like their hockey fans.
01:16:37
You what? I mean, where I find when I talked to a lot of us fans, at least Boston sports At least they know everything about Boston sports.
01:16:44
They know all the big names in the leagues, but when you start getting to those second tier guys, they're very lost.
01:16:49
Well, you know what I will say.
01:16:51
Probably the difference there, and it's not even in defense of it.
01:16:53
But it's that there's every sport in the US, right? So if you can have your favorite team across five different sports and then follow each of those teams intently.
01:17:04
But okay, we have We have four of the five here, Adam.
01:17:07
We only we don't have a football.
01:17:09
Understood baseball, basketball, hockey and MLS were missing.
01:17:13
You don't have an entire league of baseball teams.
01:17:17
You have a handful.
01:17:19
I get what you're saying.
01:17:20
So there's, you know, there's a There's a smaller collection of just a team that no, no, no, no.
01:17:24
But I'm saying like like NHL we follow the American teams to you? What? I mean, like the MBA.
01:17:30
I'm not just saying that Canada identifies with hockey.
01:17:32
Nobody watches the CFL, but talk to a football fan here.
01:17:36
Talkto No, they really don't.
01:17:37
If you're in NFL Fan, you don't watch the CFL.
01:17:40
I only do because I had.
01:17:41
I had season tickets since, like nine, So I just go to the games.
01:17:44
I don't watch them on TV.
01:17:45
I have no idea if they want it lost when I show up to the game, but the game before.
01:17:50
But you follow that everyone follows.
01:17:51
The NFL is the whole because you don't have a team, Okay, but take the Toronto Maple leaves here or the Toronto Blue Jays.
01:17:58
Go ask the Toronto Blue Jay fan about the Yankees bullpen, and they'll tell you about the yankeesbullpen they'll tell you about.
01:18:06
If they're baseball fans, right? That's the thing that here it's like you're either baseball fan or you're not.
01:18:11
We don't have a lot of middle people, know what I mean? Like we don't have like the casual baseball fan, you're either a baseball fan or you're not a baseball fan like, and I still feel that social media has a lot to do with that because you can nitpick on exactly what you're watching, what you're paying attention attention to, as compared to the eighties and nineties and seventies, you had to watch the entire well.
01:18:32
So that's what I'm gonna get you guys to, though again the way we consume sports here.
01:18:36
It's different now because the satellite and cable in all this right? You gotta remember we're very limited in what we got.
01:18:43
Some days the Toronto Blue Jays were on, but we were watching the Yankees and Red Sox.
01:18:47
You know what I mean? Because that's what we got that day for TV rights.
01:18:50
So we grew up.
01:18:51
Now maybe the younger generational change maybe will become more like, you know, my my friends to the South and and because of the access they have, that they can always watch the Patriots.
01:19:01
But I remember being a kid going five weeks without watching the Patriots play you what I mean, because on I watched what was ever on TV, that's the healthier way that consume sports in general, right is just turn on a random game and watch it.
01:19:15
That's how you learn about players, of course, but it's also how you getting appreciation because you see the different styles, different strategies, the different executions, right? So that it's it's It's a healthier way to develop an understanding and appreciation for a given sport.
01:19:27
And really one of the reasons why I like in baseball.
01:19:29
It's why I gravitated away away from baseball eventually, cause a certain point.
01:19:32
I said, Yeah, I'm a Yankees fan, but I don't know, I don't know a lot of the other pictures.
01:19:38
I don't know the best players, the bullpens and all that stuff.
01:19:40
I was like, I don't like baseball.
01:19:42
No, And again we could change here and this wasn't me picking on the U.
01:19:46
S.
01:19:47
This was me just comparing how we consume.
01:19:49
Let me least my generation, how we consume sports compared to it.
01:19:54
But again, now I have this thing called the Zone.
01:19:56
I don't know if you guys have that there.
01:19:58
Do you have his own ideas that end? So we get like the NFL Sunday tickets.
01:20:02
We get every football games 20 bucks a month.
01:20:03
We get every football game, we get every Premier League game we get every Champions League game.
01:20:07
So now you can nitpick if you want to.
01:20:10
Just watch Manchester United.
01:20:11
You know you can always get Manchester United. You could watch the replays.
01:20:14
I can watch all the any football game I want.
01:20:17
I can watch this.
01:20:18
The Patriots, I I usually watch Red Zone.
01:20:20
Unless the Patriot but again.
01:20:21
Now I'm now.
01:20:22
I'm at a point where I'm not just watching Red Zone of the Patriots are on.
01:20:25
I'll miss all the other one o'clock game because I'm watching the Patriots, so even now I'm starting to consume it in a different way.
01:20:30
So maybe as our new generation comes through, it's gonna be like this.
01:20:33
But because of the way we had to consume football in basketball, don't forget we didn't get the Raptors until 96.
01:20:41
So, like we got whatever was on TV, you know what I mean? Most of us were either Celtics fans.
01:20:45
Bulls fans are Lakers fans because that was usually one of the game of the night.
01:20:50
What? I mean, we never got whatever the prime time game was over on TNT.
01:20:53
That's what would stream in Canada, so we would always get those games um, you know, I was a Charlotte Hornets fan because I had a Charlotte Hornets starter jacket.
01:21:01
You know, until the raft.
01:21:03
Both that did it for you.
01:21:05
Wow, To become a Rapture fan, the Bulls play for Charlotte.
01:21:08
Oh, you know, I was really young at that time because 96 when I really got into it when Mighty Mouse was drafted and all that kind of stuff.
01:21:15
But what I'm saying is we consumed it in a different way.
01:21:18
So my generation when we watch sports, we watch.
01:21:21
Like if we're baseball fans, which I am, I'm watching baseball.
01:21:24
And if that means Seattle in San Francisco, I'm watching Seattle in San Francisco because that's the game on TV right now, because it's 11 o'clock at night.
01:21:30
I can't sleep what I mean.
01:21:31
Um, whereas I find now I talked to a lot of people in states or like I'm a Giants fan and you ask them about the Jets are like, I don't know nothing about the Jets.
01:21:39
You know, I'm like you live in New Jersey.
01:21:41
Oh, in the same stadium.
01:21:45
Eso again, our younger generation, maybe more of that singular focus.
01:21:51
But also, do you think about YouTube.
01:21:53
I started as a Patriots YouTube channel, so it's like I didn't help the cause because I just did a singular focus.
01:21:59
And I got a bunch of Patriots fans who knew honestly how there's some good ones and they know who they are, because I talked him all the time.
01:22:06
But a lot of them they don't know anything outside of the Patriots.
01:22:09
Like that's why my NFL film rooms have changed from just Colt centric toe NFL general wide And why I'm asking people, you know, what do you want to see? And they'll guys do a great job of helping me pick that stuff out because I want toe Thio educate people not just myself but other other people is well with with, uh, the NFL in general.
01:22:34
Because, man, if you need to know about other teams because you're going to go into a game thinking that your team is gonna stomp another team, but you don't know nothing about the other team.
01:22:45
So how do you know if you're gonna beat them or not? Yeah, I'm not helping anymore because you pick marquees brown and I just by, uh, my big takeaways that raised part of the problem.
01:22:55
That's what that was my big takeaways.
01:22:56
That Ray is a part of the problem.
01:22:58
I have a listen.
01:23:00
I have got to the point now where we need to change my slug on our DP on commentary because we now cover all football because I wanted to get away from just being the Patriots guy.
01:23:11
Um, I wanted a soccer show like I wanted to be like I know more than the New England Patriots.
01:23:16
You know, like let me.
01:23:17
That's why I've loved SportsCastr news.
01:23:20
I'd love to go on with you guys and talk basketball.
01:23:22
You know, I love us to talk a little bit of baseball.
01:23:25
If there's any baseball, fans like it.
01:23:26
Z, I love talking about sports, and I've really made it.
01:23:29
We So we talk about baseball deep and commentary now to like, we'll talk about just different like bigger stories.
01:23:34
Like right now, it's free agency slowed up, so there's not a lot to talk about.
01:23:37
We even talked about in a while, but it's we're trying to show like Conan are trying to show our brass toe.
01:23:42
Everybody be like, Hey, you don't just have to be a Patriots fan like we'll always do a Patriot story because that's our core fan base.
01:23:47
But like we're talking about Will Fuller tonight.
01:23:49
You know what I mean? Like, we talked to our our lead story last night was Carson Wentz, You know, like, it's we know more than New England.
01:23:57
Oh, by the way, that that's why we came over from MBA and want to get in on NFL SportsCastr on the news side of it, because I was like, Yeah.
01:24:03
Oh, I watch other things I like. I like sports.
01:24:06
I like other sports.
01:24:07
I got stuff to say.
01:24:08
So listen, um, Ray, I know you have to go, but you let me know when you're ready to go.
01:24:14
You still have a lot to say.
01:24:17
No, I'm done now.
01:24:18
We consume sports better in Canada.
01:24:20
That's all I'm saying to you guys.
01:24:21
Oh, yeah? Yeah.
01:24:25
Alright, guys, I am different that there is probably zero people watching live now.
01:24:30
If there is, I want to shout amount.
01:24:32
Uh, no, it's just me and Ray watching live.
01:24:35
Um, Ed lost 75 Lexi poo Ravens fan 19 MK chicken and diesel and best Carolina Pan all was watching live.
01:24:44
And how do we know that? Because they have profiles.
01:24:46
Please, guys, spend the 2030 seconds make a profile.
01:24:50
That what we know you're here.
01:24:52
You could smash the like button.
01:24:53
Um, share your favorite streams.
01:24:56
Make one of your own favorite streams.
01:24:58
It doesn't matter.
01:24:59
Please, uh, just just get that done.
01:25:02
This is an exploding platform right now.
01:25:05
It's just growing bigger and bigger.
01:25:06
You want to get it on the ground floor while it's still new.
01:25:10
All right.
01:25:11
Anyone else have anything else you guys want to say? Uh, just You guys know I'm gonna roasted on Twitter right now because I didn't think I'm really sorry, guys.
01:25:19
If I offended you, I didn't think I was insulting the United States.
01:25:22
I was just talking about the difference of how we consume, but my private chat is just Here's the problem.
01:25:28
Horses.
01:25:29
The problem, right? You see, this is why it's a problem.
01:25:31
Just having a good old fashioned conversation.
01:25:33
And now Twitter hates your guts.
01:25:34
This is why, if I know honestly, quarter around sports.
01:25:38
No, e Was I offensive? Did I offend you guys? If I did, I'm sorry.
01:25:44
I was just trying to talk to the difference between ready.
01:25:47
Let me go ahead and thin out that twitter messaging that you're receiving.
01:25:50
I have similar issues with the way products are presented and consumed in the United States, and I've been concerned mhm life.
01:25:57
I was the one that brought up not liking the way the NFL is covered on the weekend.
01:26:01
So if you're throwing shade at Ray, feel free.
01:26:03
You could tag me in there as well if you want.
01:26:05
This is the nature of the sports.
01:26:07
This is why we're talking about it like playoff array.
01:26:10
Alright are you start using HGH and PDS and really come after you? This is why once those borders reopened, I tell you.
01:26:18
Listen, thats why I never talk about being Canadian. Jesus.
01:26:22
All right, guys.
01:26:23
Thanks.
01:26:24
Thanks, everybody for watching. Thanks, Adam.
01:26:26
Thanks for being on here and maybe, maybe not.
01:26:29
We'll see you Thursday morning, But until then as usual, unmarked on with Adam and Ray.
01:26:34
Hey, means Friday morning.
01:26:36
Yeah.
01:26:37
Friday morning.
01:26:38
30.
01:26:39
Yeah, my days messed up.
01:26:41
It's a long time.
01:26:42
It's almost an hour and a half a klick end
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