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00:00:05
and welcome into SportsCastr news MBA where, as always I am Adam Arm Breck sans Matt Brooks says he has, ah lot of heavy lifting to Dio covering the Brooklyn.
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That's this morning as we know it's media weeks, so there's a lot of conversation to be had to give him the day off.
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Possibly saw me adjusting its bandanna Thursdays.
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Don't know if you were aware of that around the water coolers as we head into the the latter portion of the week, then dive in really on some big N BA news.
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And we've heard so much about James Harden and Russell Westbrook.
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What is Houston doing course through the draft and into the offseason free agency.
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We see them makes them really interesting moves.
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The Covington one was the first piece.
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Now there's contract implications as far as the money.
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When we saw that happen, you initially look at that and say, Okay, this is that white flag that they're waving.
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They're gonna move off all these contracts and go into full rebuild mode.
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But then they go ahead and give a big contract out to Christian.
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Would a player that if you follow me here, if you've heard the conversations with Matt Brooks, you know, I am very high on.
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So you like that piece coming in.
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Then you think.
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What does that look like with Harden and Westbrook there now? Another Domino Falls.
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And that is, of course, Russell Westbrook being traded to the Washington Washington Wizards.
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Excuse me, a lot of W's in there for John Wall, as well as a 2023 1st round pick.
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On paper, there's a lot of things to dissect here in terms of what it means for the Wizards what it means for the Rockets and then what the expectations are for both of these roster is going forward.
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We know there's other names in James Harden in Bradley Beal that could potentially be on the move if both these franchises continue to go in that direction of looking just toe move in a new direction for the roster.
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For lack of a better word, right? They start to turn things over on, see if they can kind of redirect the fate of the franchises in their respective markets before we do, though one other quick note from around the n b A.
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We saw that LeBron James signed a two year, $85 million extension with the Lakers.
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And then, though I don't think it's been made quite official yet, you also have Anthony Davis.
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He signed that $190 million contract with the Lakers, so they officially get those guys extended and brought back into the fold.
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There wasn't really any expectations that anti Davis was going anywhere else, but they were playing a bit of a waiting game.
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Wonder if it involves letting LeBron iron out his details first and then taking care off Anthony Davis.
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There was the speculation leading into that, too, that there was some at least rumor around the Lakers of How do we construct these things that make it feasible for us to possibly be in the market for a Yanis insta Campo next offseason? But that's far enough away that we could push the pause button on their back inside of this trade that just at least got announced yesterday.
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Of course, the woes bombs ready to fire off over on Twitter.
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So there's a couple of things we know we know from the Houston side of it that Westbrook it's over there him and Harden.
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They're just not meshing well together things.
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They're not going the way that they had hoped.
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And really, both these players requested a trade.
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But specifically, Russell Westbrook also requested a trade and knowing that Harden has been there, obviously, for a long time now, coming over from okay, see, you realize that he still is the franchise guy and Pease Air trying to reconstruct around and make him feel like it's a spot that he can still win in off the two.
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It's going to breathe.
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James Harden on the wizard side of it.
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I found it a little bit interesting, UH, that A Z say we know that Westbrook was was asking for a trade from the Rockets.
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But then there's also this conversation that these have been happening in the background for a while, and it's actually Westbrook who went back to the Rockets and pushed to reinitiate those conversations.
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Agents start reaching out, actually, agents that reach out to the Rockets and let them know they want this to happen, and that's why it kind of goes down fairly quickly because he's a least been discussed in the past.
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So all the framework is pretty much there.
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Maybe it was just ironing out the details.
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Was there an extra pick that the Houston Rockets wanted back? You know, getting into the nitty gritty and ultimately making it happen.
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But the weird piece to me is, Yeah, John Wall.
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Or at least the speculation that John Wall was saying he was a little bit uncertain about the role.
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And this is extends to both these players uncertain about what their role was going to be for these individual teams, the John Wall side of it.
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It just seems odd to me because he's been hurt.
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And I know that Bradley Beal has been in ascension on the Washington Wizards in the absence of John Wall.
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But I I just didn't get that sense that there should be an uncer*****y around what he's going to be.
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If you're healthy, you're going to be on this roster, and you're going to be an important piece to the Washington Wizards and what they want to dio remember, this would have been a backcourt of Wall and Beal.
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You have Burton's.
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You have Hachi Mora.
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You have Thomas Bryant in behind them.
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You bring in Lopez.
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You also have Troy Brown.
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There's some other pieces ish Smith in behind the guard position as well, so I mean, listen, there's some pieces.
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They're, you know, not to what degree you're excited about them.
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That's neither here nor there, but But it does play into the factor of uncer*****y about what your role was gonna be or what the future looks like.
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The future.
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Looks like you're gonna be the starting point guard for the Washington Wizards, you know, for the length of your contract.
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Both of these guys, by the way, are on very big numbers through 2022 free agents in 2023.
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And that's one of the reasons why this deal could happen.
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When you think about, where can these guys be sent? Well, it's got to be somewhere where the money matches up both making, you know, $40 million plus, and by the end of it, it's a 47 million.
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Nearly in the last years of these contracts, John Wall is two years younger, so you do get that now.
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He obviously has the injuries.
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So you have to think, Is this guy going to come back and be healthy and then also be able to stay healthy becomes a bit of the factor as well.
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The interesting thing.
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When we talk about the numbers for these guys, you can go around and actually look over on spotrac dot com and start to talk about N BA values in terms of the money you're paying out for a player in the return on the investment, here's what's interesting.
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We can't track John Wall last year, obviously.
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But if you go back to 2017 on an average salary of 28 million, Russell Westbrook was considered to be the second best value for the price that you were paying out there, which I find incredibly interesting.
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If you go by guards on talk about just around the league names that were getting thrown out in that particular year, you can think about a Ben Simmons.
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Their number one.
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Russell Westbrook, is listed as total value in second there.
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Then it's James Harden, its Tyreke Evans. It's Devin Booker.
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Remember Booker in that five spot there when he was making just 2.
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4 million? So you know how these things kind of match up.
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It's not just solely the skill set of the player it's about finding that perfect balance of value and then also, you know, getting production on the court.
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That's 2017, by the way, in 2017 as well.
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You know, I have to go too far down the list.
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But this is when John Wall is already into the bigger version of his contract, making nearly 17000024th ranked guard in the league for value and the money that you're spending out there now.
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The reason why I bring it up from 2017 got to go back to make sure we get a solid sample size from John Wall.
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The other reason being is that if you go forward into last season, well, we can talk about John Wall.
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We can talk about Westbrook 122nd in terms of value at the Guard position in the league.
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I mean, it's an albatross right now.
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The interesting thing that we talked about on the podcast this morning, Doug Nori in myself, was the idea that when you're talking about the money you're paying out for a player and how he's diminished in value, you could think about Chris Paul, right? Just a season ago, before he started that run with the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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We were sitting here saying, Good Lord, you have to give away assets to get someone to take that contract off your hands.
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Turn around right one very long.
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Extended season later, Chris Paul is now a member of the Phoenix Suns, and it costs things to get him there.
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This was not an unloading of an albatross deal you couldn't get out from under.
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The difference here being for me is that I don't know if Russell Westbrook is really the player that's built that way, where he could all of a sudden reclaim his value and create an asset that would be good for the Washington Wizards into in terms of moving off of him.
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The flip side of it before we get into the specifics around how these guys impact of rosters that they now find themselves on for John Wall.
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If you're the Houston Rockets, its like for like right now you end up getting a trade piece back as well, and that could be because you're talking about a player coming off of injury.
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If he can come back and look like 80 85% of the player that he has been in his career when healthy.
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All of a sudden, Houston can play out this season and then look to move him in the off season.
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They could get to next year and consider it.
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They could even go as early as maybe the trade deadline, depending on how their season is unfolding and look to get additional draft capital.
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And that's really going to help facilitate what could be, ultimately a rebuild for them there in Houston.
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So you know, there's an incredible value Thio possibly get back here.
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I don't know if Washington at any point even say, heading to the trade deadline.
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If you're really going to see a situation where Westbrook is going to reclaim his value, increase his value, showcases value and then put them in a position to go ahead and recover the asset that they gave up in order to get him in the door and maybe even get something back, you know, extra in return.
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Now there's a world where you could get players back potentially on maybe some low hanging assets to be able to move off of him.
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If a team wants to get him for the remainder of a playoff run late in the season coming out of that trade deadline, that that's a possibility.
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But for me, the potential value and what you can turn the player into beyond what they give you on the court.
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I look at John Wall and think boy, if he could be on the floor, if he could be healthy, you're going to be in a really strong spot.
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So that's the interesting thing to me.
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There's one other area that we'll get into in a little bit here.
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I just want to take a look at how this this trade impacts when you just talk about the general n betrayed, you know, machines that you can try out there on the Internet, whether it's the ESPN or any of these other outlets.
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When you plug them in there a lot of times, what you can get is a new increase in wins and losses based on the decision that gets made.
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So we're gonna try to take a look at that a little a little bit later here and just understand what the potential, at least from the from the outside, looking in or by by all the measurables, the stats and and how it correlates with the current roster is that they'll be heading Thio.
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What does that look like for Washington? And what does it look like for Houston? So we'll certainly take a look at that on.
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Just identify who we think, Really one that trade, at least in the short term.
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Which one of these guys eyes going to possibly increase the value on their rules for these new teams and they find themselves on.
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So that being the case, though, there's another piece to this.
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When we talk about, let's assume that these guys are staying where they are, that they're not gonna get flipped at any point, at least not this season.
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So for the in the short term, in the next year, both these guys are going to be on the rosters where they currently set.
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So one of the things that we took a look at two is the reason why you want to get maybe Russell Westbrook out of Houston and away from James Harden.
00:11:35
So I mean, listen, there's the easy baseline things when you get on there, just compare them like for like Obviously, you're getting more points for Harden.
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Nearly 30 this past season, you're talking about almost eight assists per game for James Harden.
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You have just ahead about 4.
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5 for Russell Westbrook over the course of the season.
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The rebounds air.
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They're in favor of Westbrook.
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He's a great late crasher against the board from the Guard position, and then the three point shooting.
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Right James Harden strong, 33%.
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Only 24% for Russell Westbrook and then the line.
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How about the free throw shooting at just 53% for Russell Westbrook, that is an alarming one for May, just in terms off later stages of your career and having value.
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The reason why we bring these up is in my mind, and you'll watch this play out as we talk about John Wall stat lines in my mind.
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You wanna have complimentary pieces, especially in your backcourt.
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What one does well, you want the other to bring that diametric opposition to write.
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If one of them is a superstar score, you want the other guy to be a hard nosed, lock down defender.
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If one of them is a little bit undersized but quick and slashes the lane and maybe is an irritant defensively.
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You want the other guy to give you length to give you perimeter shooting and be able to extend the defense and then also forced, uh, defensive end.
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Extend yourself out to the perimeter and force opposing defense is to come out and meet you on the outside as well.
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The problem with the Westbrook Harden combination for me is that Russell Westbrook should be a better facilitator and a better distributor, and I know that you're on the team with Harden.
00:13:07
But to May, it should be a balance.
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When you talk about James Harden having nearly eight assists per game and still getting 30 that means he's doing both.
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He's getting his and also distributing to those around him.
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For Russell Westbrook, I think his best role would have been to serve in support of Harden.
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You should be seeing assist numbers for him that air closer to seven or 28 because you should be looking to find James Harden is consistently as possible.
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And when defense is air guarding against James Harden and leaving some open looks for the other players on the team, on the perimeter or cutting to the basket or on the interior.
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We talk about the bigs not necessarily having toe take on anything Mawr than a single defender down in the low block.
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Westbrook should be having the basketball a***en to find those guys, so you start to think about why.
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Maybe it rubs it the wrong way a little bit.
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And why, if you look over and think about this idea off Russell Westbrook and a Bradley Beal, potentially, it's going to be interesting.
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I'm not gonna pull this up in real time here to think about how these numbers for Bradley Beal compared to the numbers off of James Harden and guess what? They're pretty darn similar.
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30 points a game.
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Six assists game.
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So not as much, but the rebounds.
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Aaron the same kind of vein.
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The three point shooting is better for Bill of 35 84% from the line.
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What that tells me is the relative impact or value of Russell Westbrook alongside Bradley Beal is going to be the same of what you saw alongside James Harden, and that is to say, not great.
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I don't think that dynamic is gonna work out, and that can feed into the speculation around what happens next and who else could be moved on whether or not Bill is long for the Washington Wizards roster or as we have talked about, you know, Bill said he wanted to be there.
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Wants to be the face of that franchise.
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Wanted to be there with John Wall.
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If you've moved John Wall, are you now breaking up that tandem and saying This is a signal as many people speculate, this mean that hardened deal or gone? But we won't get into that as we mentioned right now, but I just This is a like, for like, from hardened toe west to appeal.
00:15:11
Excuse me without getting to the defensive side of it, but this is a like for like and I don't know if that backcourt gets any more dynamic.
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Now the flip side of it is for me when you plug in John Wall Health assumed next to a James Harden.
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The reason why this excites me.
00:15:30
The reason why it interests me if they're able to keep John Wall and James Harden and all these guys together there Excuse me in Houston, is Now, all of a sudden you're talking about a guy who gives you a career average of over nine assists per game, just a hair of 9.2.
00:15:47
Last time we saw him, if you want to go back to 2015 and this is increasing over.
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His career starts in his rookie year in 2010 11, averaging eight assists per game for the most part, outside of a briefing where it dips down to 7.
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5 in the 2013 season.
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It's been a steady rise for him up till you got into those injury kind of years.
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But he was averaging 10 or more assists per game from 2014 to 2016 in his N B A career and then living really close at 9.
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5 and almost nine in his last season, 2018 19, where he gave you 32 games, nine assists per season average for his career.
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That is a fantastic number, tohave alongside James Harden.
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It means that yesterday we know this guy can get his own.
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We're not sure what his quickness is going to be.
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How is he going to drive the lane How is he going to create his own shot potentially in traffic down inside the paint? We don't know.
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But you at least know, or you least feel confident that you could go back off of that 2018 19 sample size, which feels like years ago because of how long the last season went on, in and of itself.
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The question marks that you wanna ask our this is still a career 32% 3 point shooter.
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That's probably the biggest question mark you have now.
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It's a drastic improvement over what Westbrook gives you, but in his last season there, in 20 19/32 games on, Lee had a 30% 3 point shooting percentage.
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You'd like to see that obviously increase and you go back to the year prior, where he shot 37% and really again 32% for his career and then up and down, kind of a one on one off scenario, almost all the way through his career in a lot of ways, started out low and had improved it.
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But you go from 2014, 35 30 35 33 37 then down to 30 in his last year on the court.
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So it means that you know the opportunity is there, and you have to also think about the fact that who is he playing with, Who's alongside and what are the opportunities that are getting created? So again, if you have to respect student James Harden even more, maybe that will create some opportunities and looks for John Wall.
00:17:48
But the facilitation aspect, I think, is crucial because it means that you can put him on ball and you can allow James hard to be off ball, at least at the start of the play.
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Let John Wall orchestrated a little bit more and then also know that his his mental makeup is to look for the past.
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First is to set up teammates first and worry about getting his own shot. Second.
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Remember, this is a guy.
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When you think about career numbers and we'll get into a Sfar, scoring goes.
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This is a guy back in 2019 will give you 20 points a game.
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So that's actually better than what right? James Harden.
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This is a guy that can get his own when he wants to and is not looking to get his his own initially, so I think it's a better dynamic there.
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So I I do like it.
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I'm intrigued by if you keep it together in Houston as constructed, I actually find this team in the early days of the season to be really interesting, really fun toe watch and potentially an opportunity for the Houston Rockets to appeal to James Harden and say, Listen, first of all, you're on a big contract.
00:18:57
We know that it's gonna take a lot to try to move your what assets will be looking to get back in return.
00:19:02
It's why some of these talks broke down during the draft, predraft and even through free agency in a lot of ways.
00:19:07
But now, if you're telling me that you have John Wall, James Harden, Eric Gordon, Christian would who we know I'm a fan of and then p.
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J.
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Tucker at the five with, by the way, they hopefully recovering, returning from injury and being healthy Boogie cousins.
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That's a fun team to May.
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That's an intriguing team, and I'll even go a step further to round out this conversation around.
00:19:29
And if you move on from James Harden.
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I'm still kind of intrigued by the Houston Rockets with John Wall in Christian would.
00:19:36
Now, I mean, listen, you're not gonna be It's gonna be a rough road there in the Western Conference if you don't have James Harden on that roster, but doesn't mean that you can't still be exciting.
00:19:45
It doesn't mean that even though John Wallace 30 he's at least a little bit younger than what you had in Westbrook and you know you got younger with Christian would.
00:19:52
It's weird, like it's weird just to think about that.
00:19:55
That's the roll over that we see now in the MBA where I think a lot of us all just assumed that Christian would was gonna be right back there in Detroit.
00:20:02
Instead, they don't bring him back, but they bring in a lot of different centers, not entirely sure what direction they're going to take things there in Detroit.
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But here we are in Houston, as constructed right now with Wall and Harden and Christian.
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Would I actually really like it and the flexibility that you end up creating, by the way, getting Christian would around a P. J.
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Tucker who you've been playing out of position, using him at the five all of a sudden, even a 35 years old.
00:20:24
If you can move him back into that four role and allow him to have flexibility there and give you defensive upside there and be able to lock down fours and even play up to the five time if needed.
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That also gives you flexibility on Christian would because he has his perimeter shot.
00:20:40
Was that forced defense is to consider.
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There's just a very interesting dynamic getting created on that roster.
00:20:45
That at least has to say, you know, colors me.
00:20:47
Intrigued as we head into the season.
00:20:49
If we don't hear another Domino falling here now for the Washington Wizards, I don't know.
00:20:56
This doesn't move the needle for me at all.
00:20:58
I think there is potential upside and something potentially exciting about getting wall there with Harden and as they're constructed and the new head coach and all those things right.
00:21:08
So there's an intrigue there, and you just wanna hone in and see what's possible for Washington.
00:21:16
This is may be why you signal that Bradley Beal is not long for this team, because I don't see how this improves you at all.
00:21:25
I don't see how this like for, like, swap improves you at all.
00:21:29
You have Westbrook, and that's fine.
00:21:32
The next question is going to be.
00:21:33
Does Bradley Beal get moved? I can see a world where hardness still in Houston, but it's really difficult for me to think about who Bradley Beal is and who Westbrook is, how their games will complement or not complement one another.
00:21:47
And whether or not you're going to see any needle move here over the course of this season and again go back to where we were before.
00:21:54
It's hard for me to look at these two players understanding the injury concerns around John Wall, but it's hard for me to look at these two guys and say, Yeah, Westbrook's gonna have trade value.
00:22:05
I just don't see it.
00:22:06
Chris Paul regenerating his trade value during his time in O. K. C.
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Is because again he's, um, or traditional point guard.
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He can make his own shot.
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He could get good buckets, but he also looks to facilitate.
00:22:18
He's the classic floor general, right? Like that's the kind of player that even as they get older in the right situation with the right town around them.
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They can showcase that.
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They still have a lot of legs left on them, and then they can have value to a team that's looking to take a big jump like the Phoenix son to bring him in.
00:22:34
And you think it's a obviously marginal upgrade.
00:22:37
You know, I don't wanna be disrespectful to Ricky Rubio, who, actually and find over the course of his career, goes back home to the Timberwolves.
00:22:44
Good for him.
00:22:45
But you upgrade their because you're the Phoenix Suns and you're looking to make a jump.
00:22:49
If you're the Washington Wizards and you're looking to make a jump, and this is the move that you chose to make that I do not understand.
00:22:55
The only caveat I'll put into it is that if the Wizards have ah, high enough level of concern around John Wall's health coming back from injury, then I get moving off of him now, as opposed to later, and the reality being again.
00:23:09
When I talk about these numbers and just balancing the books, that's the difficulty that you have to live with, that you're going to suffer a restrained market because only so many teams have those salaries to match.
00:23:22
And even if you have multiple players that you could do that with, what's the likelihood that you're going to package up multiple players at 15 to 20 million apiece, who are probably at the right age, probably early in their contracts? You probably have value on your roster to package them up.
00:23:36
To go get a Westbrook means you're diminishing the value of the roster that's there when he when he arrives.
00:23:41
And then even for John Wall.
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Likewise right.
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Are you going to send multiple mid twenties players that are at least established MBA players to Washington to get Wall back knowing that he has some injury concerns knowing that the contract is big and knowing that he has the potential to drag down your ability and free agency to make moves if he isn't healthy and if that number is too big to fit things underneath the cap? So that's where it gets a little murky for May, and I have some some legitimate curiosities.
00:24:10
We'll just put it that way as far as expectations.
00:24:13
The last thing I want to take a quick look at here is that trade that we talked about and just see if we get an indication in terms off what the expectations are for both of these teams having made those moves.
00:24:26
So the first thing we do, let's pull these guys up here and let's just click into the John Wall and Russell Westbrook.
00:24:33
Now we're actually doing it in in reverse, by the way, just in terms of going actually back, descending the guys back to where they where they once came from.
00:24:42
And here's the thing.
00:24:44
Here's the ironic thing.
00:24:46
Change in team outlook zero.
00:24:50
This is a net.
00:24:51
So it really does feel like a net neutral move when we're talking about what the possible expectations would be for either one of these teams.
00:25:01
What you gain or what you lose.
00:25:03
Basically on par.
00:25:04
Even though John Wall is a better maybe assist guy and has some better shooting percentages from the perimeter, I think the unfortunate reality is Russell Westbrook will still get his.
00:25:14
Whether it's inside of the system, you want to run or if it's just by his own determination, you potentially especially he's gonna he's gonna do what he's gonna dio and you're gonna have to live with it.
00:25:23
And the downside there again, four team like Washington is.
00:25:27
Would that take away from what you're able to do or what you expect Bradley Beal to Dio if he's just not getting as many touches anymore? What if that's the problem that you end up running into, as opposed to saying it again creates more space, creating opportunity? I'm a little bit surprised that you maybe don't get some addition by subtraction.
00:25:46
They're bringing in John Wall to Houston.
00:25:48
But we will, of course, go ahead and throw this up onto the board here real quick on one other site just to break it down.
00:25:56
Let's see how how this comes out in the wash and whether or not we get the same.
00:26:02
We get the same feedback here.
00:26:08
Okay, so now when you do it again here, and this is gonna be over on trade, eh? NBA dot com.
00:26:12
And this is what I want to get in terms of projected wins, and this is interesting.
00:26:17
Both of them again have three years remaining the same, nearly 41.
00:26:21
2 for wall, 41.
00:26:22
3 for Russell Westbrook, plus nine wins projected for the Washington Wizards minus nine, obviously, for the Houston Rockets.
00:26:34
So for all of the things that I listed in terms of the value that I think John Wall, if healthy, can have for that roster by at least by N B A.
00:26:43
At least by trade in NBA dot coms metrics, We are talking about a guy in Russell Westbrook who can move the needle for the Washington Wizards in terms of wins and losses.
00:26:52
Now, do I think it's good for them overall? Not particularly.
00:26:55
But by that standard, if we take a look inside the N B A and let's go inside those standings and think about what this would look like for these two teams in the Eastern Conference, we know we're gonna extend out in terms of who could qualify for the playoffs this year with some playing games.
00:27:12
So that'll factor in as well.
00:27:14
But if you were a 25 and 40 17, you'd now be saying that you could be 34 and 39.
00:27:25
Why closer to 500 than you were this previous season? If you are the Washington Wizards and by the way, 34 wins at that point we'll put you staunchly in that space of seventh seed around with the Brooklyn Nets were sitting last season.
00:27:41
We expect them to be higher up the rankings this year, but you're right there.
00:27:45
You're right there in that 7th, 8th seed and securely, at least in the playoff kind of talk around the Eastern Conference.
00:27:52
Now we know maybe the Atlanta Hawks, you're gonna take a jump from their 20 win season, the next look pretty bad, at least, or at least young.
00:27:58
Right now, maybe Chicago is a sleeper to take a jump in as well.
00:28:01
But if a move like this in the short term can at least solidify a playoff for playing appearance for the Washington Wizards, maybe that's why you make this move on the flip side of it when we take a look over that Western Conference.
00:28:12
If we are to believe that there will be a drop off by nine wins for the Houston Rockets, that's that's pretty disastrous in the Western Conference, because now you're talking about dropping from 44 winds down to 35 wins, and that will throw you down into the category of the Portland Trailblazers who were had an opportunity to play their way into the bubble and would be in that same type of space this season.
00:28:36
If things held true, they got better defensively.
00:28:38
They're probably gonna rise up the ranks.
00:28:40
The Dallas Mavericks.
00:28:42
They help Pat essentially health being considered.
00:28:44
Maybe they can shuffle from 7 to 6 or five.
00:28:46
We know that all those teams, when you go all the way up to the three seed there with 46 wins for the Denver Nuggets all the way down to the Dallas Mavericks, 43 wins.
00:28:55
So very much on par with one another, right? Not not a lot of discrepancy here between the three seed and the six and seven seeds there.
00:29:03
So that's how finite it can be.
00:29:05
And if you are to believe the Portland Trail Blazers are going to be a better team, that at worst the Dallas Mavericks will be consistent in where they were this past year at the Phoenix Suns are going to take that jump up from 34 winds into that 40 win stratosphere.
00:29:20
Now you're talking about the Houston Rockets potentially taking a very drastic tumble right out of what was a four seed and playoff appearance for them last year and possibly missing the playoffs altogether, or at best being in one of those planes scenarios.
00:29:33
Now I will give a little bit of pushback to that commentary because I just don't know if I wholeheartedly agree that Russell Westbrook equates to nine more wins.
00:29:41
Now they could win nine more games.
00:29:43
I just don't know if they should be credited to Russell Westbrook, per se and then likewise, I I don't know how that value should be looked at, and ultimately, it's more.
00:29:51
What does Russell Westbrook bring to your team organically unto himself? What does John Wall brings the team organically unto himself? I think the impact on the players around them can potentially be a much higher upside with John Wall there in Houston than for Westbrook in Washington.
00:30:08
That being the case, we will see what else happens.
00:30:10
It is now December 3rd theme media week is happening.
00:30:13
The training camps are getting underway.
00:30:16
We know that we're gonna have our Christmas Day game slate coming.
00:30:19
The 22nd is the start date for the MBA season, and there's still a lot of time here.
00:30:24
This one kind of came out of left field in some ways, and you know, he said, These conversations that happened.
00:30:29
But at least from my perspective, there was this.
00:30:32
This anticipation off was getting to the season.
00:30:36
We'll just see what happens is we get underway and kind of feel out the league and see what teams Or maybe looking to add a piece or feel like they have the flexibility to do so because this went off a little bit sooner.
00:30:47
Maybe there is a Bradley Beal dominant tumbles.
00:30:50
Maybe that hardened move is just around the corner.
00:30:52
And if so, wherever those two players go obviously will become very intriguing to take a look at those rosters.
00:30:58
But then what comes back to Houston and what comes back to the Washington Wizards? And how do they look at their seasons ahead? I think you know, if your Washington it's a little bit different than Houston, Houston's been there.
00:31:10
They've been in the playoffs, they've been consistently there, so they start to go into their rebuild mode.
00:31:14
So be it.
00:31:15
I think that again, they've already brought in some talent there.
00:31:18
They can look to increase that through a trade with harden or through the draft getting back.
00:31:22
Even a pick from Washington is gonna help them going forward as well.
00:31:26
They can go into a bit of a rebuild if you're Washington and you've moved John Wall.
00:31:30
Whatever you feel about him, if you move, Bradley Beal is Well, boy, a Russell Westbrook led Washington Wizards team excited this guy that does not make uh, yeah, it just They just become a weird team at the back end of the Eastern Conference that yeah, maybe they do sneak in, but they're nothing that's gonna get you over excited.
00:31:53
And every single day that passes, you probably feel worse and worse about the age of Russell Westbrook about the contract of Russell Westbrook as well, so we'll keep our eyes on it.
00:32:03
It will be interesting to see.
00:32:05
As I said, Matt Brooks is out there covering media day right now, So I'm sure you will find him at some point across these airwaves, talking about what he's hearing in and around the MBA.
00:32:15
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00:32:21
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00:32:31
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00:32:41
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00:32:45
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00:32:46
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00:32:53
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00:33:04
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00:33:05
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00:33:13
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00:33:16
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RUMOR: Russell Westbrook’s agent pushed Rockets to reignite trade talks for John Wall

The trade involving Russell Westbrook for John Wall, sending Westbrook to the Washington Wizards, blindsided the NBA world on Wednesday night. Despite the random timing of it, Westbrook’s agent reportedly pushed for the Houston Rockets to reignite trade talks for Wall, per ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. Before the 2020 NBA Draft last month, there were rumors […]

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and welcome into SportsCastr news MBA where, as always I am Adam Arm Breck sans Matt Brooks says he has, ah lot of heavy lifting to Dio covering the Brooklyn.
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That's this morning as we know it's media weeks, so there's a lot of conversation to be had to give him the day off.
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Possibly saw me adjusting its bandanna Thursdays.
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Don't know if you were aware of that around the water coolers as we head into the the latter portion of the week, then dive in really on some big N BA news.
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And we've heard so much about James Harden and Russell Westbrook.
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What is Houston doing course through the draft and into the offseason free agency.
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We see them makes them really interesting moves.
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The Covington one was the first piece.
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Now there's contract implications as far as the money.
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When we saw that happen, you initially look at that and say, Okay, this is that white flag that they're waving.
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They're gonna move off all these contracts and go into full rebuild mode.
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But then they go ahead and give a big contract out to Christian.
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Would a player that if you follow me here, if you've heard the conversations with Matt Brooks, you know, I am very high on.
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So you like that piece coming in.
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Then you think.
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What does that look like with Harden and Westbrook there now? Another Domino Falls.
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And that is, of course, Russell Westbrook being traded to the Washington Washington Wizards.
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Excuse me, a lot of W's in there for John Wall, as well as a 2023 1st round pick.
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On paper, there's a lot of things to dissect here in terms of what it means for the Wizards what it means for the Rockets and then what the expectations are for both of these roster is going forward.
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We know there's other names in James Harden in Bradley Beal that could potentially be on the move if both these franchises continue to go in that direction of looking just toe move in a new direction for the roster.
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For lack of a better word, right? They start to turn things over on, see if they can kind of redirect the fate of the franchises in their respective markets before we do, though one other quick note from around the n b A.
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We saw that LeBron James signed a two year, $85 million extension with the Lakers.
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And then, though I don't think it's been made quite official yet, you also have Anthony Davis.
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He signed that $190 million contract with the Lakers, so they officially get those guys extended and brought back into the fold.
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There wasn't really any expectations that anti Davis was going anywhere else, but they were playing a bit of a waiting game.
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Wonder if it involves letting LeBron iron out his details first and then taking care off Anthony Davis.
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There was the speculation leading into that, too, that there was some at least rumor around the Lakers of How do we construct these things that make it feasible for us to possibly be in the market for a Yanis insta Campo next offseason? But that's far enough away that we could push the pause button on their back inside of this trade that just at least got announced yesterday.
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Of course, the woes bombs ready to fire off over on Twitter.
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So there's a couple of things we know we know from the Houston side of it that Westbrook it's over there him and Harden.
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They're just not meshing well together things.
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They're not going the way that they had hoped.
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And really, both these players requested a trade.
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But specifically, Russell Westbrook also requested a trade and knowing that Harden has been there, obviously, for a long time now, coming over from okay, see, you realize that he still is the franchise guy and Pease Air trying to reconstruct around and make him feel like it's a spot that he can still win in off the two.
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It's going to breathe.
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James Harden on the wizard side of it.
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I found it a little bit interesting, UH, that A Z say we know that Westbrook was was asking for a trade from the Rockets.
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But then there's also this conversation that these have been happening in the background for a while, and it's actually Westbrook who went back to the Rockets and pushed to reinitiate those conversations.
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Agents start reaching out, actually, agents that reach out to the Rockets and let them know they want this to happen, and that's why it kind of goes down fairly quickly because he's a least been discussed in the past.
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So all the framework is pretty much there.
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Maybe it was just ironing out the details.
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Was there an extra pick that the Houston Rockets wanted back? You know, getting into the nitty gritty and ultimately making it happen.
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But the weird piece to me is, Yeah, John Wall.
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Or at least the speculation that John Wall was saying he was a little bit uncertain about the role.
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And this is extends to both these players uncertain about what their role was going to be for these individual teams, the John Wall side of it.
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It just seems odd to me because he's been hurt.
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And I know that Bradley Beal has been in ascension on the Washington Wizards in the absence of John Wall.
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But I I just didn't get that sense that there should be an uncer*****y around what he's going to be.
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If you're healthy, you're going to be on this roster, and you're going to be an important piece to the Washington Wizards and what they want to dio remember, this would have been a backcourt of Wall and Beal.
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You have Burton's.
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You have Hachi Mora.
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You have Thomas Bryant in behind them.
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You bring in Lopez.
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You also have Troy Brown.
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There's some other pieces ish Smith in behind the guard position as well, so I mean, listen, there's some pieces.
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They're, you know, not to what degree you're excited about them.
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That's neither here nor there, but But it does play into the factor of uncer*****y about what your role was gonna be or what the future looks like.
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The future.
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Looks like you're gonna be the starting point guard for the Washington Wizards, you know, for the length of your contract.
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Both of these guys, by the way, are on very big numbers through 2022 free agents in 2023.
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And that's one of the reasons why this deal could happen.
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When you think about, where can these guys be sent? Well, it's got to be somewhere where the money matches up both making, you know, $40 million plus, and by the end of it, it's a 47 million.
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Nearly in the last years of these contracts, John Wall is two years younger, so you do get that now.
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He obviously has the injuries.
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So you have to think, Is this guy going to come back and be healthy and then also be able to stay healthy becomes a bit of the factor as well.
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The interesting thing.
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When we talk about the numbers for these guys, you can go around and actually look over on spotrac dot com and start to talk about N BA values in terms of the money you're paying out for a player in the return on the investment, here's what's interesting.
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We can't track John Wall last year, obviously.
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But if you go back to 2017 on an average salary of 28 million, Russell Westbrook was considered to be the second best value for the price that you were paying out there, which I find incredibly interesting.
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If you go by guards on talk about just around the league names that were getting thrown out in that particular year, you can think about a Ben Simmons.
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Their number one.
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Russell Westbrook, is listed as total value in second there.
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Then it's James Harden, its Tyreke Evans. It's Devin Booker.
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Remember Booker in that five spot there when he was making just 2.
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4 million? So you know how these things kind of match up.
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It's not just solely the skill set of the player it's about finding that perfect balance of value and then also, you know, getting production on the court.
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That's 2017, by the way, in 2017 as well.
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You know, I have to go too far down the list.
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But this is when John Wall is already into the bigger version of his contract, making nearly 17000024th ranked guard in the league for value and the money that you're spending out there now.
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The reason why I bring it up from 2017 got to go back to make sure we get a solid sample size from John Wall.
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The other reason being is that if you go forward into last season, well, we can talk about John Wall.
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We can talk about Westbrook 122nd in terms of value at the Guard position in the league.
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I mean, it's an albatross right now.
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The interesting thing that we talked about on the podcast this morning, Doug Nori in myself, was the idea that when you're talking about the money you're paying out for a player and how he's diminished in value, you could think about Chris Paul, right? Just a season ago, before he started that run with the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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We were sitting here saying, Good Lord, you have to give away assets to get someone to take that contract off your hands.
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Turn around right one very long.
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Extended season later, Chris Paul is now a member of the Phoenix Suns, and it costs things to get him there.
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This was not an unloading of an albatross deal you couldn't get out from under.
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The difference here being for me is that I don't know if Russell Westbrook is really the player that's built that way, where he could all of a sudden reclaim his value and create an asset that would be good for the Washington Wizards into in terms of moving off of him.
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The flip side of it before we get into the specifics around how these guys impact of rosters that they now find themselves on for John Wall.
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If you're the Houston Rockets, its like for like right now you end up getting a trade piece back as well, and that could be because you're talking about a player coming off of injury.
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If he can come back and look like 80 85% of the player that he has been in his career when healthy.
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All of a sudden, Houston can play out this season and then look to move him in the off season.
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They could get to next year and consider it.
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They could even go as early as maybe the trade deadline, depending on how their season is unfolding and look to get additional draft capital.
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And that's really going to help facilitate what could be, ultimately a rebuild for them there in Houston.
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So you know, there's an incredible value Thio possibly get back here.
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I don't know if Washington at any point even say, heading to the trade deadline.
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If you're really going to see a situation where Westbrook is going to reclaim his value, increase his value, showcases value and then put them in a position to go ahead and recover the asset that they gave up in order to get him in the door and maybe even get something back, you know, extra in return.
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Now there's a world where you could get players back potentially on maybe some low hanging assets to be able to move off of him.
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If a team wants to get him for the remainder of a playoff run late in the season coming out of that trade deadline, that that's a possibility.
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But for me, the potential value and what you can turn the player into beyond what they give you on the court.
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I look at John Wall and think boy, if he could be on the floor, if he could be healthy, you're going to be in a really strong spot.
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So that's the interesting thing to me.
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There's one other area that we'll get into in a little bit here.
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I just want to take a look at how this this trade impacts when you just talk about the general n betrayed, you know, machines that you can try out there on the Internet, whether it's the ESPN or any of these other outlets.
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When you plug them in there a lot of times, what you can get is a new increase in wins and losses based on the decision that gets made.
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So we're gonna try to take a look at that a little a little bit later here and just understand what the potential, at least from the from the outside, looking in or by by all the measurables, the stats and and how it correlates with the current roster is that they'll be heading Thio.
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What does that look like for Washington? And what does it look like for Houston? So we'll certainly take a look at that on.
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Just identify who we think, Really one that trade, at least in the short term.
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Which one of these guys eyes going to possibly increase the value on their rules for these new teams and they find themselves on.
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So that being the case, though, there's another piece to this.
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When we talk about, let's assume that these guys are staying where they are, that they're not gonna get flipped at any point, at least not this season.
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So for the in the short term, in the next year, both these guys are going to be on the rosters where they currently set.
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So one of the things that we took a look at two is the reason why you want to get maybe Russell Westbrook out of Houston and away from James Harden.
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So I mean, listen, there's the easy baseline things when you get on there, just compare them like for like Obviously, you're getting more points for Harden.
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Nearly 30 this past season, you're talking about almost eight assists per game for James Harden.
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You have just ahead about 4.
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5 for Russell Westbrook over the course of the season.
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The rebounds air.
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They're in favor of Westbrook.
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He's a great late crasher against the board from the Guard position, and then the three point shooting.
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Right James Harden strong, 33%.
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Only 24% for Russell Westbrook and then the line.
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How about the free throw shooting at just 53% for Russell Westbrook, that is an alarming one for May, just in terms off later stages of your career and having value.
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The reason why we bring these up is in my mind, and you'll watch this play out as we talk about John Wall stat lines in my mind.
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You wanna have complimentary pieces, especially in your backcourt.
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What one does well, you want the other to bring that diametric opposition to write.
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If one of them is a superstar score, you want the other guy to be a hard nosed, lock down defender.
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If one of them is a little bit undersized but quick and slashes the lane and maybe is an irritant defensively.
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You want the other guy to give you length to give you perimeter shooting and be able to extend the defense and then also forced, uh, defensive end.
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Extend yourself out to the perimeter and force opposing defense is to come out and meet you on the outside as well.
00:12:55
The problem with the Westbrook Harden combination for me is that Russell Westbrook should be a better facilitator and a better distributor, and I know that you're on the team with Harden.
00:13:07
But to May, it should be a balance.
00:13:10
When you talk about James Harden having nearly eight assists per game and still getting 30 that means he's doing both.
00:13:15
He's getting his and also distributing to those around him.
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For Russell Westbrook, I think his best role would have been to serve in support of Harden.
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You should be seeing assist numbers for him that air closer to seven or 28 because you should be looking to find James Harden is consistently as possible.
00:13:34
And when defense is air guarding against James Harden and leaving some open looks for the other players on the team, on the perimeter or cutting to the basket or on the interior.
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We talk about the bigs not necessarily having toe take on anything Mawr than a single defender down in the low block.
00:13:50
Westbrook should be having the basketball a***en to find those guys, so you start to think about why.
00:13:54
Maybe it rubs it the wrong way a little bit.
00:13:56
And why, if you look over and think about this idea off Russell Westbrook and a Bradley Beal, potentially, it's going to be interesting.
00:14:08
I'm not gonna pull this up in real time here to think about how these numbers for Bradley Beal compared to the numbers off of James Harden and guess what? They're pretty darn similar.
00:14:19
30 points a game.
00:14:20
Six assists game.
00:14:21
So not as much, but the rebounds.
00:14:23
Aaron the same kind of vein.
00:14:24
The three point shooting is better for Bill of 35 84% from the line.
00:14:29
What that tells me is the relative impact or value of Russell Westbrook alongside Bradley Beal is going to be the same of what you saw alongside James Harden, and that is to say, not great.
00:14:40
I don't think that dynamic is gonna work out, and that can feed into the speculation around what happens next and who else could be moved on whether or not Bill is long for the Washington Wizards roster or as we have talked about, you know, Bill said he wanted to be there.
00:14:54
Wants to be the face of that franchise.
00:14:55
Wanted to be there with John Wall.
00:14:57
If you've moved John Wall, are you now breaking up that tandem and saying This is a signal as many people speculate, this mean that hardened deal or gone? But we won't get into that as we mentioned right now, but I just This is a like, for like, from hardened toe west to appeal.
00:15:11
Excuse me without getting to the defensive side of it, but this is a like for like and I don't know if that backcourt gets any more dynamic.
00:15:18
Now the flip side of it is for me when you plug in John Wall Health assumed next to a James Harden.
00:15:28
The reason why this excites me.
00:15:30
The reason why it interests me if they're able to keep John Wall and James Harden and all these guys together there Excuse me in Houston, is Now, all of a sudden you're talking about a guy who gives you a career average of over nine assists per game, just a hair of 9.2.
00:15:47
Last time we saw him, if you want to go back to 2015 and this is increasing over.
00:15:52
His career starts in his rookie year in 2010 11, averaging eight assists per game for the most part, outside of a briefing where it dips down to 7.
00:16:00
5 in the 2013 season.
00:16:02
It's been a steady rise for him up till you got into those injury kind of years.
00:16:06
But he was averaging 10 or more assists per game from 2014 to 2016 in his N B A career and then living really close at 9.
00:16:15
5 and almost nine in his last season, 2018 19, where he gave you 32 games, nine assists per season average for his career.
00:16:25
That is a fantastic number, tohave alongside James Harden.
00:16:30
It means that yesterday we know this guy can get his own.
00:16:32
We're not sure what his quickness is going to be.
00:16:34
How is he going to drive the lane How is he going to create his own shot potentially in traffic down inside the paint? We don't know.
00:16:40
But you at least know, or you least feel confident that you could go back off of that 2018 19 sample size, which feels like years ago because of how long the last season went on, in and of itself.
00:16:51
The question marks that you wanna ask our this is still a career 32% 3 point shooter.
00:16:56
That's probably the biggest question mark you have now.
00:16:58
It's a drastic improvement over what Westbrook gives you, but in his last season there, in 20 19/32 games on, Lee had a 30% 3 point shooting percentage.
00:17:09
You'd like to see that obviously increase and you go back to the year prior, where he shot 37% and really again 32% for his career and then up and down, kind of a one on one off scenario, almost all the way through his career in a lot of ways, started out low and had improved it.
00:17:24
But you go from 2014, 35 30 35 33 37 then down to 30 in his last year on the court.
00:17:33
So it means that you know the opportunity is there, and you have to also think about the fact that who is he playing with, Who's alongside and what are the opportunities that are getting created? So again, if you have to respect student James Harden even more, maybe that will create some opportunities and looks for John Wall.
00:17:48
But the facilitation aspect, I think, is crucial because it means that you can put him on ball and you can allow James hard to be off ball, at least at the start of the play.
00:18:00
Let John Wall orchestrated a little bit more and then also know that his his mental makeup is to look for the past.
00:18:08
First is to set up teammates first and worry about getting his own shot. Second.
00:18:13
Remember, this is a guy.
00:18:15
When you think about career numbers and we'll get into a Sfar, scoring goes.
00:18:20
This is a guy back in 2019 will give you 20 points a game.
00:18:23
So that's actually better than what right? James Harden.
00:18:28
This is a guy that can get his own when he wants to and is not looking to get his his own initially, so I think it's a better dynamic there.
00:18:37
So I I do like it.
00:18:38
I'm intrigued by if you keep it together in Houston as constructed, I actually find this team in the early days of the season to be really interesting, really fun toe watch and potentially an opportunity for the Houston Rockets to appeal to James Harden and say, Listen, first of all, you're on a big contract.
00:18:57
We know that it's gonna take a lot to try to move your what assets will be looking to get back in return.
00:19:02
It's why some of these talks broke down during the draft, predraft and even through free agency in a lot of ways.
00:19:07
But now, if you're telling me that you have John Wall, James Harden, Eric Gordon, Christian would who we know I'm a fan of and then p.
00:19:13
J.
00:19:14
Tucker at the five with, by the way, they hopefully recovering, returning from injury and being healthy Boogie cousins.
00:19:23
That's a fun team to May.
00:19:24
That's an intriguing team, and I'll even go a step further to round out this conversation around.
00:19:29
And if you move on from James Harden.
00:19:32
I'm still kind of intrigued by the Houston Rockets with John Wall in Christian would.
00:19:36
Now, I mean, listen, you're not gonna be It's gonna be a rough road there in the Western Conference if you don't have James Harden on that roster, but doesn't mean that you can't still be exciting.
00:19:45
It doesn't mean that even though John Wallace 30 he's at least a little bit younger than what you had in Westbrook and you know you got younger with Christian would.
00:19:52
It's weird, like it's weird just to think about that.
00:19:55
That's the roll over that we see now in the MBA where I think a lot of us all just assumed that Christian would was gonna be right back there in Detroit.
00:20:02
Instead, they don't bring him back, but they bring in a lot of different centers, not entirely sure what direction they're going to take things there in Detroit.
00:20:10
But here we are in Houston, as constructed right now with Wall and Harden and Christian.
00:20:14
Would I actually really like it and the flexibility that you end up creating, by the way, getting Christian would around a P. J.
00:20:19
Tucker who you've been playing out of position, using him at the five all of a sudden, even a 35 years old.
00:20:24
If you can move him back into that four role and allow him to have flexibility there and give you defensive upside there and be able to lock down fours and even play up to the five time if needed.
00:20:37
That also gives you flexibility on Christian would because he has his perimeter shot.
00:20:40
Was that forced defense is to consider.
00:20:42
There's just a very interesting dynamic getting created on that roster.
00:20:45
That at least has to say, you know, colors me.
00:20:47
Intrigued as we head into the season.
00:20:49
If we don't hear another Domino falling here now for the Washington Wizards, I don't know.
00:20:56
This doesn't move the needle for me at all.
00:20:58
I think there is potential upside and something potentially exciting about getting wall there with Harden and as they're constructed and the new head coach and all those things right.
00:21:08
So there's an intrigue there, and you just wanna hone in and see what's possible for Washington.
00:21:16
This is may be why you signal that Bradley Beal is not long for this team, because I don't see how this improves you at all.
00:21:25
I don't see how this like for, like, swap improves you at all.
00:21:29
You have Westbrook, and that's fine.
00:21:32
The next question is going to be.
00:21:33
Does Bradley Beal get moved? I can see a world where hardness still in Houston, but it's really difficult for me to think about who Bradley Beal is and who Westbrook is, how their games will complement or not complement one another.
00:21:47
And whether or not you're going to see any needle move here over the course of this season and again go back to where we were before.
00:21:54
It's hard for me to look at these two players understanding the injury concerns around John Wall, but it's hard for me to look at these two guys and say, Yeah, Westbrook's gonna have trade value.
00:22:05
I just don't see it.
00:22:06
Chris Paul regenerating his trade value during his time in O. K. C.
00:22:11
Is because again he's, um, or traditional point guard.
00:22:14
He can make his own shot.
00:22:15
He could get good buckets, but he also looks to facilitate.
00:22:18
He's the classic floor general, right? Like that's the kind of player that even as they get older in the right situation with the right town around them.
00:22:26
They can showcase that.
00:22:27
They still have a lot of legs left on them, and then they can have value to a team that's looking to take a big jump like the Phoenix son to bring him in.
00:22:34
And you think it's a obviously marginal upgrade.
00:22:37
You know, I don't wanna be disrespectful to Ricky Rubio, who, actually and find over the course of his career, goes back home to the Timberwolves.
00:22:44
Good for him.
00:22:45
But you upgrade their because you're the Phoenix Suns and you're looking to make a jump.
00:22:49
If you're the Washington Wizards and you're looking to make a jump, and this is the move that you chose to make that I do not understand.
00:22:55
The only caveat I'll put into it is that if the Wizards have ah, high enough level of concern around John Wall's health coming back from injury, then I get moving off of him now, as opposed to later, and the reality being again.
00:23:09
When I talk about these numbers and just balancing the books, that's the difficulty that you have to live with, that you're going to suffer a restrained market because only so many teams have those salaries to match.
00:23:22
And even if you have multiple players that you could do that with, what's the likelihood that you're going to package up multiple players at 15 to 20 million apiece, who are probably at the right age, probably early in their contracts? You probably have value on your roster to package them up.
00:23:36
To go get a Westbrook means you're diminishing the value of the roster that's there when he when he arrives.
00:23:41
And then even for John Wall.
00:23:42
Likewise right.
00:23:43
Are you going to send multiple mid twenties players that are at least established MBA players to Washington to get Wall back knowing that he has some injury concerns knowing that the contract is big and knowing that he has the potential to drag down your ability and free agency to make moves if he isn't healthy and if that number is too big to fit things underneath the cap? So that's where it gets a little murky for May, and I have some some legitimate curiosities.
00:24:10
We'll just put it that way as far as expectations.
00:24:13
The last thing I want to take a quick look at here is that trade that we talked about and just see if we get an indication in terms off what the expectations are for both of these teams having made those moves.
00:24:26
So the first thing we do, let's pull these guys up here and let's just click into the John Wall and Russell Westbrook.
00:24:33
Now we're actually doing it in in reverse, by the way, just in terms of going actually back, descending the guys back to where they where they once came from.
00:24:42
And here's the thing.
00:24:44
Here's the ironic thing.
00:24:46
Change in team outlook zero.
00:24:50
This is a net.
00:24:51
So it really does feel like a net neutral move when we're talking about what the possible expectations would be for either one of these teams.
00:25:01
What you gain or what you lose.
00:25:03
Basically on par.
00:25:04
Even though John Wall is a better maybe assist guy and has some better shooting percentages from the perimeter, I think the unfortunate reality is Russell Westbrook will still get his.
00:25:14
Whether it's inside of the system, you want to run or if it's just by his own determination, you potentially especially he's gonna he's gonna do what he's gonna dio and you're gonna have to live with it.
00:25:23
And the downside there again, four team like Washington is.
00:25:27
Would that take away from what you're able to do or what you expect Bradley Beal to Dio if he's just not getting as many touches anymore? What if that's the problem that you end up running into, as opposed to saying it again creates more space, creating opportunity? I'm a little bit surprised that you maybe don't get some addition by subtraction.
00:25:46
They're bringing in John Wall to Houston.
00:25:48
But we will, of course, go ahead and throw this up onto the board here real quick on one other site just to break it down.
00:25:56
Let's see how how this comes out in the wash and whether or not we get the same.
00:26:02
We get the same feedback here.
00:26:08
Okay, so now when you do it again here, and this is gonna be over on trade, eh? NBA dot com.
00:26:12
And this is what I want to get in terms of projected wins, and this is interesting.
00:26:17
Both of them again have three years remaining the same, nearly 41.
00:26:21
2 for wall, 41.
00:26:22
3 for Russell Westbrook, plus nine wins projected for the Washington Wizards minus nine, obviously, for the Houston Rockets.
00:26:34
So for all of the things that I listed in terms of the value that I think John Wall, if healthy, can have for that roster by at least by N B A.
00:26:43
At least by trade in NBA dot coms metrics, We are talking about a guy in Russell Westbrook who can move the needle for the Washington Wizards in terms of wins and losses.
00:26:52
Now, do I think it's good for them overall? Not particularly.
00:26:55
But by that standard, if we take a look inside the N B A and let's go inside those standings and think about what this would look like for these two teams in the Eastern Conference, we know we're gonna extend out in terms of who could qualify for the playoffs this year with some playing games.
00:27:12
So that'll factor in as well.
00:27:14
But if you were a 25 and 40 17, you'd now be saying that you could be 34 and 39.
00:27:25
Why closer to 500 than you were this previous season? If you are the Washington Wizards and by the way, 34 wins at that point we'll put you staunchly in that space of seventh seed around with the Brooklyn Nets were sitting last season.
00:27:41
We expect them to be higher up the rankings this year, but you're right there.
00:27:45
You're right there in that 7th, 8th seed and securely, at least in the playoff kind of talk around the Eastern Conference.
00:27:52
Now we know maybe the Atlanta Hawks, you're gonna take a jump from their 20 win season, the next look pretty bad, at least, or at least young.
00:27:58
Right now, maybe Chicago is a sleeper to take a jump in as well.
00:28:01
But if a move like this in the short term can at least solidify a playoff for playing appearance for the Washington Wizards, maybe that's why you make this move on the flip side of it when we take a look over that Western Conference.
00:28:12
If we are to believe that there will be a drop off by nine wins for the Houston Rockets, that's that's pretty disastrous in the Western Conference, because now you're talking about dropping from 44 winds down to 35 wins, and that will throw you down into the category of the Portland Trailblazers who were had an opportunity to play their way into the bubble and would be in that same type of space this season.
00:28:36
If things held true, they got better defensively.
00:28:38
They're probably gonna rise up the ranks.
00:28:40
The Dallas Mavericks.
00:28:42
They help Pat essentially health being considered.
00:28:44
Maybe they can shuffle from 7 to 6 or five.
00:28:46
We know that all those teams, when you go all the way up to the three seed there with 46 wins for the Denver Nuggets all the way down to the Dallas Mavericks, 43 wins.
00:28:55
So very much on par with one another, right? Not not a lot of discrepancy here between the three seed and the six and seven seeds there.
00:29:03
So that's how finite it can be.
00:29:05
And if you are to believe the Portland Trail Blazers are going to be a better team, that at worst the Dallas Mavericks will be consistent in where they were this past year at the Phoenix Suns are going to take that jump up from 34 winds into that 40 win stratosphere.
00:29:20
Now you're talking about the Houston Rockets potentially taking a very drastic tumble right out of what was a four seed and playoff appearance for them last year and possibly missing the playoffs altogether, or at best being in one of those planes scenarios.
00:29:33
Now I will give a little bit of pushback to that commentary because I just don't know if I wholeheartedly agree that Russell Westbrook equates to nine more wins.
00:29:41
Now they could win nine more games.
00:29:43
I just don't know if they should be credited to Russell Westbrook, per se and then likewise, I I don't know how that value should be looked at, and ultimately, it's more.
00:29:51
What does Russell Westbrook bring to your team organically unto himself? What does John Wall brings the team organically unto himself? I think the impact on the players around them can potentially be a much higher upside with John Wall there in Houston than for Westbrook in Washington.
00:30:08
That being the case, we will see what else happens.
00:30:10
It is now December 3rd theme media week is happening.
00:30:13
The training camps are getting underway.
00:30:16
We know that we're gonna have our Christmas Day game slate coming.
00:30:19
The 22nd is the start date for the MBA season, and there's still a lot of time here.
00:30:24
This one kind of came out of left field in some ways, and you know, he said, These conversations that happened.
00:30:29
But at least from my perspective, there was this.
00:30:32
This anticipation off was getting to the season.
00:30:36
We'll just see what happens is we get underway and kind of feel out the league and see what teams Or maybe looking to add a piece or feel like they have the flexibility to do so because this went off a little bit sooner.
00:30:47
Maybe there is a Bradley Beal dominant tumbles.
00:30:50
Maybe that hardened move is just around the corner.
00:30:52
And if so, wherever those two players go obviously will become very intriguing to take a look at those rosters.
00:30:58
But then what comes back to Houston and what comes back to the Washington Wizards? And how do they look at their seasons ahead? I think you know, if your Washington it's a little bit different than Houston, Houston's been there.
00:31:10
They've been in the playoffs, they've been consistently there, so they start to go into their rebuild mode.
00:31:14
So be it.
00:31:15
I think that again, they've already brought in some talent there.
00:31:18
They can look to increase that through a trade with harden or through the draft getting back.
00:31:22
Even a pick from Washington is gonna help them going forward as well.
00:31:26
They can go into a bit of a rebuild if you're Washington and you've moved John Wall.
00:31:30
Whatever you feel about him, if you move, Bradley Beal is Well, boy, a Russell Westbrook led Washington Wizards team excited this guy that does not make uh, yeah, it just They just become a weird team at the back end of the Eastern Conference that yeah, maybe they do sneak in, but they're nothing that's gonna get you over excited.
00:31:53
And every single day that passes, you probably feel worse and worse about the age of Russell Westbrook about the contract of Russell Westbrook as well, so we'll keep our eyes on it.
00:32:03
It will be interesting to see.
00:32:05
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00:32:15
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00:32:46
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00:32:53
Hopefully, as the season gets underway, we will try to be in to cover those two preseason games the Nets have against the Wizards, oddly enough, and then also against, uh, I'm going to slip on the other name there.
00:33:04
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00:33:05
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